ot1-perplexing-regexing

[ripe grotto]

Question, are you doing all the parsing and then dumping it to a DB or are you storing it and doing post-processing on the data coming in?

[worthy oracle]

the latter

{
  health_records: [
    {
      some_key: some_data
    },
    {
      some_key: some_data
    }
  ]
}

[warped sentinel]

In these cases, it might be helpful to have some state to your files while they are uploaded but not validated

[worthy oracle]

correct

[warped sentinel]

(could also be validated for having sent json and not a random jpg, or that there is no virus)

[worthy oracle]

and that's why there is an ingress bucket

it's where the files are uploaded before they are validated and transformed

[warped sentinel]

makes sense

[ripe grotto]

There might be some improvements that I don't know you could make without making the system more costly (idk what features s3 has to prevent this off the top of my head), but I don't want to get sidetracked on a side detail from the infra question you were trying to work on

[worthy oracle]

go on

[warped sentinel]

Referring to tags?

[worthy oracle]

the infrastructure is a work in progress

[ripe grotto]

• Read file headers to determine what type of file it is
• capturing file hashes to prevent re-uploads

otherwise you have to read the entire file and expect certain characters specifically (basically check if it JSON decodes fine in Python prior to adding it to the S3 bucket)

Hence why I said I don't know if s3 can help with that

[worthy oracle]

we were talking about this the other day

umm

about whether to pass the file through the backend to the s3

cause i was worried about firewall

[ripe grotto]

you and I were?

(my memory is still dogshit, sorry)

[worthy oracle]

no no, recursive and I

[ripe grotto]

Ahhhh

I feel less-bad now lol

[ripe grotto]

Wdym?

[worthy oracle]

well, the s3 didnt have a load balancer at first, the client couldnt just upload directly to s3

the file will have to pass through the backend

[ripe grotto]

Right, which exposes some risk there

[worthy oracle]

elaborate?

[ripe grotto]

Your backend is written in Python, yeah?

[worthy oracle]

yea

[warped sentinel]

you can still read specific range of bytes in S3

[worthy oracle]

ah, to tell the headers and metadata and stuff

right right

[warped sentinel]

it wouldn't impact sending files directly to S3

[worthy oracle]

hmmm, you would need some kind of client side file size and hash calculation to prevent uploading the same file again

[warped sentinel]

I would keep deduping for a V2 tbh

[worthy oracle]

elaborate?

[ripe grotto]

• I upload malicious file #1
• you read file (using flask) to disk
• OS scans malicious file
• OS (inherently) may run malicious file
• oopsies, file comprise system because it was actually bash (or contained an escape character that registers as JSON to Python but as a proper line segment to bash...which there's like 2 unicode characters that I think can do something like that)

[warped sentinel]

Get something first before adding fancy things. Deduping is cool, but not a blocker to having something working or presentable in an interview

[worthy oracle]

well, it's working now

but yes, im just working on an MVP

[warped sentinel]

okay, let's go v2

[worthy oracle]

there are other parts of the mvp im still working on

[worthy oracle]

if you read the file to memory

wait no

it's going to be too big

[ripe grotto]

Reading it into memory reduces some overhead, but if the file is gigabytes in size.. you're back at square 1 (filesize limitations)

[warped sentinel]

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/guardduty/latest/ug/how-malware-protection-for-s3-gdu-works.html 🕶️

[worthy oracle]

the permissions will have to be set correctly

[warped sentinel]

(same idea if you implement it yourself though)

[ripe grotto]

Set by the process running your backend

Which OS doing malware/antivirus scans may have elevated access too

[worthy oracle]

this is not emulated in localstack

[ripe grotto]

The easiest way out of it is to check file headers as part of an MVP, and acknowledge the risk being taken on of malicious escape characters.

Iirc flask has a filter to remove escape sequences, but that requires reading in a file/document at some point (to memory)

[worthy oracle]

hmmm

ok, im going to go off first

and think about it thoroughly

my bet is on spinning up a separate pod for this

[ripe grotto]

You could do it in a docker container, but that would just limit the damage/harm being done I think

[warped sentinel]

you could still do something fun with some processes that get notified of the upload, and then tag/update the state

[ripe grotto]

Isn't that what zehata is doing with the Redis server?

[worthy oracle]

i mean... if you are accounting for the docker escape at that point it's beyond what i can do

[ripe grotto]

Let's acknowledge the early risk, worry about it later then 🙂

MVP first, problems later

[warped sentinel]

I don't think she has expanded completely on the transformation part

[ripe grotto]

wdym? What part do you feel like you're missing?

[worthy oracle]

i think this will be more clear once i push the transformation logic

let's keep it for later

is docker escape that common?

[ripe grotto]

In the wild? Not as common. It's out there, but they get patched pretty quickly

[worthy oracle]

yea

[ripe grotto]

As long as you're not running a privileged container, it's pretty difficult to do anything damaging lol

[worthy oracle]

it's definitely a risk, but i think it's probably low probability

[ripe grotto]

CVSS is 7.8+, but it's usually due to bad configs more than anything

[worthy oracle]

it looks like openshift has some functionality for virus scanning

[warped sentinel]

depends on your threat model

[worthy oracle]

which is the real environment this is going to be in

[warped sentinel]

if you want to explicitly scan for malware, there are specialized stuff like gvisor and a bunch of others

[worthy oracle]

it's all good discussion points im noting down

[ripe grotto]

Yeah, as long as they don't end up with an exploit that gets used in that process, it's worth a shot. Potentially slow down ingestion time, but it's a possibility for preventing issues

[worthy oracle]

i don't think the ingestion speed is that big of a matter for me

networking is not actually my problem

all i really need to know is to show some understanding

[warped sentinel]

diagrams are worth a thousand words

[worthy oracle]

i have yet to update it

 ┌────────────┐               ┌────────────┐                
 │            ├─┬────Files────►            │                
 │ API Client │ │             │ Ingress S3 │                
 │            ├─┼──┐          │            │                
 └──────▲─────┘ │  │          └──┬────┬────┘                
        │       │  │             │    │                     
        │       │  │           Files  │                     
        │       │  │          Created │     ┌──────────────┐
        │       │  │             │    │     │ Unstructured │
        │       │  │           ┌─▼─┐  │     │     Data     │
        │       │  │ Presigned │SNS│Files ┌─►   Database   │
        ├───────┼──┼───URLs──┐ └─┬─┘  │   │ └──────────────┘
        │       │  │    +    │   │    │   │                 
   ┌────▼─────┐ │  │   Data  │┌──▼────▼─┐ │ ┌──────────────┐
   │          ├─┘  │         └┤         ◄─┘ │  Structured  │
   │ Frontend │    │          │ Backend ◄───►     Data     │
   │          ├────┴Requests──►         │   │   Database   │
   └──────────┘               └─────────┘   └──────────────┘

this was before redis came into cluster

[ripe grotto]

Mermaid chart 🙏

[worthy oracle]

later when i actually get the cluster architecture down

[ripe grotto]

...fineeeee

[worthy oracle]

there are still things that are vague and handwavy now

[ripe grotto]

I mean, that's part of what mermaid charts are for but it's mostly a convenience thing I've picked up since being at MS

[worthy oracle]

alright alright

[ripe grotto]

But ig your design would be fine since you can get really deep in the woods with diagrams.. https://mermaid.js.org/intro/

Ex. I did a thing against how I think Rivian's systems work for Apple Music - https://github.com/CoreTree/Notes/blob/main/Rivian/rivian-protocol.md

[worthy oracle]

that's pretty cool

[ripe grotto]

yeah, you'd probably find use from the FlowChart for this one the most, but it wouldn't look quite as good imo

It just makes things easier to do in general

[merry brook]

late night chat here ⭐ late night chat here 🤡 🚀

[warped sentinel]

based

[jolly flicker]

help what foundations of math should I learn to solve all first year maths

[keen belfry]

any body tell me what this code work print(x:='hello world')

[soft violet]

You may only need sum of them.

[gray breach]

If x can be achieved with multiple option type of method y and z
There isnt any point of learning both y and z, if z method are obselete
Unless if neither both y and z are obelet, but rather they are have different trade off

[soft violet]

Your question is malformed. Are you asking what := does?

[keen belfry]

yes

[gray breach]

Thats walrus

[soft violet]

The := operator both assigns and returns.

[keen belfry]

ohh yes bro

[gray breach]

It is called walrus

[soft violet]

!e py print(a := 123) print(a)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 123
002 | 123

[soft violet]

a := 123 is an expression, evaluating to a single object.

123

But it also assigns, i.e it also does a = 123

[gray breach]

It takes the value and assign it to a and return the a with the assigned value
Idk whats object
Im not python

[soft violet]

So```py
print(a := 123)

becomes like

print(123)
a = 123```

[soft violet]

Broadly, everything that isn't purely syntax in Python is in some way an object. 123 is an object. "abc" is an object. [123, "abc"] is n object. An object is a package of data that lives in memory and it has attached functionality to allow you to safely interact with thay data. Whenever we're using Python, we're invoking that functionality.

Every object has a type, a class. The class governs the creation and structure of the data and what attached functionality exists for objects of that type.

123 is anobject of type int.

"abc" is an object of type str

4+7j is an object of type complex.

[123, 456] is an object of type list

String objects, for example, have attached functionality which allows us to ask those objects to provide us with uppercased and lowercased versions of those objects.

!e py print("aBc".upper()) print("aBc".lower())

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | ABC
002 | abc

[soft violet]

The str.upper and str.lower methods, as they are called.

Functionalities attached to objects for interacting safely with the data of those objects.

Thus, not all objects have methods by these names, and even if they did, they could do something else entirely.

But all instances of str do in this case.

[jolly flicker]

What are magic functions like this and mathematical operators

[soft violet]

Magic methods, also known as dunder methods and more officially as special methods, are the methods which are called when specific Python syntaxes are used. For example...

!e ```py
class MyClass:
def init(self):
print(f"Hello, world. I am {self}.")

a = MyClass()
print(a)
b = MyClass()
print(b)```The __init__ method is automagically called when an instance of a class is created.

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Hello, world. I am <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7f6fc0ecc6e0>.
002 | <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7f6fc0ecc6e0>
003 | Hello, world. I am <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7f6fc0ec4550>.
004 | <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7f6fc0ec4550>

[soft violet]

It is also capable of being written with parameters, such that data may be provided to this method.

!e ```py
class MyClass:
def init(self, name):
self.name = name

a = MyClass("first")
b = MyClass("second")

print(a.name)
print(b.name)```

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | first
002 | second

[soft violet]

Init, from initialiser, or initialisation.

z if you prefer the American spin.

[jolly flicker]

Is there something like this for every oop language?

[soft violet]

I expect so, but I can only speak to Python.

!e ```py
class MyClass:
def add(self, _):
return 9001

instance = MyClass()
print(instance + "abc")```

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

9001

[jolly flicker]

What about things like 1 + 1? I assume + is a dunder function but it has funny syntax and no double underscore

[soft violet]

Here, _ is being assigned to "abc", but since I don't use it, that is why I have used _ as the name.

[jolly flicker]

Oh so all the base classes have this function built in already

[soft violet]

No.

[jolly flicker]

or method

[soft violet]

!e py print(object() + object())

[royal lake]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print(object() + object())
004 |           ~~~~~~~~~^~~~~~~~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'object' and 'object'

[jolly flicker]

So 1 + 1 doesn't translate to 1.__add__(1)?

[soft violet]

Classes that implement it, as well as their subclasses, do.

[soft violet]

!e py result = (1).__add__(1) print(result)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

2

[soft violet]

(1). because syntax.

!e py a = 1 result = a.__add__(1) print(result)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

2

[soft violet]

• may instead invoke __radd__ depending on the objects and available methods.

[jolly flicker]

So the class determines its own behaviour when .added?

[soft violet]

The class governs the behaviour of objects which have it as their type.

lists are governed by list

strings are governed by str

[jolly flicker]

Wait so a + b could be different from b + a

[soft violet]

Yes.

[jolly flicker]

What would a + b + c be in function notation?

[soft violet]

Operator precedence rules apply.

I'll find you the chart.

[jolly flicker]

So it would evaluate a + b then that returned value + c

[soft violet]

https://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html#operator-precedence

[soft violet]

It's something like that.

In part.

It depends on the operators.

It's like PEMDAS but for Python.

Though my introdyction to the concept in school was BODMAS.

Remember that you needn't calculate all components of an equation on one line.

Parentheses also exist, though while one should take care to not overparenthesise, sometimes their uneccesary addition can clarify instead of obfuscate.

[jolly flicker]

Very interesting thanks!

[jolly flicker]

how did they define the + method without the + method 🤔

[minor ferry]

Canadian spotted

[soft violet]

Not quite, no.

[minor ferry]

Salvo Request Cancelled.

[soft violet]

Beg pardon?

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bofors-40mm-aa-gun-quad-40mm-l-60-gif-5669639422209044829

[jolly flicker]

!e ```py
class int:
def add(self, i):
return self + i

instance = int()
print(instance + 1)```

[royal lake]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 6, in <module>
003 |     print(instance + 1)
004 |           ~~~~~~~~~^~~
005 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in __add__
006 |     return self + i
007 |            ~~~~~^~~
008 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in __add__
009 |     return self + i
010 |            ~~~~~^~~
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/3NSA4KGVA3YEFIA4RVLLFHAGSM

[soft violet]

Again, not Canadian.

[minor ferry]

I believe you now, Honest

[jolly flicker]

more canadian hate!!!

[soft violet]

Avoid creating names which shadow builtin names. int is a builtin name.

[jolly flicker]

How are builtins defined

[soft violet]

Additionally, infinite recursion is rarely a good long-term investment.

Builtins are the names pre-assigned as Python is booted.

[jolly flicker]

Would the integer builtin be defined like this or would it be in C or something

[soft violet]

So things like print, int, str, globals, locals, list, ... etc.

sum all any

id

[soft violet]

c

Its a bigint implementation.

Which means it accomodates values of arbitrary integer magnitude.

Though I expect there would be a practical limit, depending on system capacities.

[jolly flicker]

Huh wouldn't that use a lot of memory?

[soft violet]

It might or might not. If you're using ints that exhaust system resources, good job, you probably should be doing something differently.

It's just data. How much or little of it there is depends entirely on what you're doing.

Like any other.

If you want bytewidth restrained data, there are other types and libraries you can use.

[cyan cedar]

morning lad

never seen first time in this server

[jolly flicker]

afternoon for me

[minor ferry]

hello fellow lad

[jolly flicker]

Also since ints aren't primitive would operations on python ints be slower

[cyan cedar]

early morning to me, and afternoon to you

[cyan cedar]

yo good?

cuz i am preparing think of me study python

for second term

maybe that should be work out for me or smth

[soft violet]

Speed. Python vs compiled languages. Or what I like to call the moss argument. (See: Falseknees Kobolds. i.e. Useless arguments.)

All things being equal, compiled languages operate faster than the interpreted Python language. Python is fast, it is not slow, it is slower in the above situation.

Python has the magical power of friendship, which is to say it is often used in concert with compiled languages, giving the ease of use of Python with the speed of the compiled shit. Most AI frameworks use Python as the user-programmer interface. Numpy works in a similar way, running C code in response to Python calls.

Python is a tool. It's often a good tool for any job. Sometimes it's exactly the tool to use. Sometimes, the right tool for a given job is not Python and that's okay.

[minor ferry]

can't wait for more people to come into the server to tell opal their C cloned language is faster then python.

[soft violet]

Some things Python is unsuited for entirely.

[minor ferry]

It will show opal, What's really good in the hood.

[soft violet]

Please.

[jolly flicker]

Sometimes python gets so abstracted it feels more like scripting

[minor ferry]

it also compiles 400 times faster then "Insert well known language "

[jolly flicker]

Also any good takeaways for first year math and system design here

[soft violet]

It's object oriented. Of course it's abstracted.

[minor ferry]

anyway I hope I am not bothering you

[soft violet]

Python? Absent exceptional cases, excluding the bytecode step, which I do, it is not compiled in tbe same sense as other languages are. The interpreter is.

[soft violet]

https://tenor.com/view/nihilism-chidi-the-good-place-chili-mental-gif-12867374

That came off a little more intensely than I intended.

[minor ferry]

I have not seen this actor in like 15 years

[soft violet]

I was not aware of him before The Good Place.

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/electric-company-pbs-kids-show-shadow-box-phonics-morgan-freeman-electric-company-pbs-kids-1970s-children's-show-education-show-gif-14543255395874661651

[minor ferry]

he was one the 2010s Reboot of the Eletric Company reboot

[soft violet]

That means nothing to me.

[minor ferry]

it was not very good children show

oh well

[gray breach]

I mean...
Python is okay if u r scripting

To abstract the programming technicalities

[ripe grotto]

I mean, people use it as the primary language for Machine Learning

(By people, I mean Society)

[gray breach]

Yh, u dont ned something like rust,c, etc for that

U can even use java

Or even JavaScript

[ripe grotto]

You can use C/C++, but if you don't need to use something that complicated when your work is already hard enough - why would you?

[gray breach]

And Phyton job in abstract the technicality is great
Do u ever try to read a file in rust

[smoky hearth]

Heyo, did anybody here ever work with MuZero and gymnasium?

[ripe grotto]

why would I need to? I have the same safeties in Swift that you get from Rust, and I get the same cross-platform behavior without the hours to compile that rust takes

[gray breach]

Yh, my whole point is that wether python is fast is just pointles argumen
When tools are made for easier progress

[gray breach]

I mean rust is aot
And since u are trying to implement safety measurements during compile time for safe running during runtime
Its okay trade off
Also, rust comoiler are backed and optimized by llvm

[ripe grotto]

Swift does all of that during compile time..? (I'm telling, not asking) And it's also using LLVM

Idk what you're on about

[gray breach]

Idk how swift code are safe

But rust compiler refus to compile anything thats touches ub

By using what we call borrow checker

[jolly flicker]

is lfs useful and what are prerequsites

[low chasm]

what's the swift experience like outside of apple/Xcode and whatnot?

it's a rather neat language

[ripe grotto]

There are some extensions for VSCode (linting, namely) and it compiles out for Linux, Windows, and Android (including to use their respective UIs through things like SwiftUI as far as I know)

[keen belfry]

any body help me to learn linux or give me the roadmap of devops / cloud eng..

[carmine apex]

@green pelican cybersec quiz!

how do you feel about the wannacry devs

[green pelican]

I'm more pissed at the NSA for letting it happen in the first place

[carmine apex]

sure sure

but what about the fellas who did the ransomware attack

[green pelican]

Let me see idk who even did it

[carmine apex]

the correct answer does not require that information

[green pelican]

Wat

[carmine apex]

also who do you think? north korea always get framed for big attacks

like how they "hacked" sony

[green pelican]

Don't know don't Care although wannacry was probably state sponsored by someone

[green pelican]

Fuckin everyone hacks Sony

[carmine apex]

but do you think the devs were, what? smart? dum? clever? foolish?

[green pelican]

Seemed pretty smart to me

[carmine apex]

common L opinion

[green pelican]

Ok

[carmine apex]

this is why you will never destroy me cert

ya gotta think strategically

[green pelican]

Uh huh

[carmine apex]

imagine having a superpowered nsa-level backdoor that basically nobody can detect

[lethal bison]

hey i'm new here

[carmine apex]

do you

• attack the entire world, thus revealing yourself and getting like 5 dollars
• stealth exfiltrate treasure troves of data from hella-classified sources without letting them know about their giant gaping security vulnerability

[green pelican]

Delete every drive i can and reset the shit show that is the internet

[carmine apex]

are you familiar with the absolutely absurd level of obsession of archivist data hoarders

[green pelican]

Delete those too

[carmine apex]

like you can nuke every city on the globe and the countries will be beyond angry, and you're gonna get a thousand killsats constantly waiting to particle beam you into a subatomic particles but it's the data hoarder types you're gonna learn to really fear

[green pelican]

I fear no man

[carmine apex]

you will

[green pelican]

BECOME UNGOVERNABLE

[carmine apex]

.xkcd 705

[median dome]

XKCD comic #705

The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of darkness and your cat blog's servers.

2010/2/22 - #705, 'Devotion to Duty'

[green pelican]

Lmao

[green pelican]

@vale raven

[carmine apex]

in a similar point, if you ever find yourself being bugged, destroying the bug is about one of the last things you want to do

[green pelican]

I eat it

[carmine apex]

alright robin

[vale raven]

I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you

[lethal bison]

hello?

[vale raven]

Hello??

[green pelican]

Hi

[lethal bison]

hey i'm new here.

thanks for letting me join

[green pelican]

You have my blessings

[carmine apex]

life is like a lemonade machine, enjoy every drop of it
i feel like drops of a machine are not prone to being enjoyed

[lethal bison]

thanks bud

[green pelican]

They call me the spiritual leader around here

[carmine apex]

do i need to foward the message again cert

[lethal bison]

where am i supposed to upload one of my codes my friend

[green pelican]

1 blocked message

[carmine apex]

whatever ya hat factory

[carmine apex]

!paste

[royal lake]

Pasting large amounts of code

So that everyone can easily read your code, you can paste it in this website:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[green pelican]

The hell does that mean

[carmine apex]

meaning someplace that makes caps

[green pelican]

Mf

[lethal bison]

idk, i'm new here.

whoa, why did the conversation just stop?

[green pelican]

I banned that thuri kid

Pissing me off too much

Sorry continue

[lethal bison]

yellow?

[green pelican]

Yeah

[carmine apex]

cert likes to joke a bit
i'm probably their favorite user tbh

[green pelican]

This is true

Nobody else matches my whimsy

[carmine apex]

surprised you're not being distracted by emacs mentions in pygen tbh

[green pelican]

Brb

[lethal bison]

are you guys sure this is the official python community? it seems pretty dull to me rn

[timid latch]

there is no offical community

[lethal bison]

oh

wait you're new

i'm new here, nice to meet you

[timid latch]

nice to meet you to!

[lethal bison]

is there a better and more alive python server in discord?

[timid latch]

not really, pretty sure we are the biggest

[lethal bison]

ohhh

then i guess i'm in the right place rn for developing my python skills.

[timid latch]

just been a general decline in activity since covid ended, and AI likely hasnt helped

[carmine apex]

also some pydis helpers who haven't written python in the past ~decade or so

[timid latch]

😅

[lethal bison]

well, i guess we're the ones who made the ai so yeah, and covid ended a pretty while back with some signs still running. btw, is this the right community for me? i'm here for cybersecurity and python. it's been a few months since i started using python. and 2 months since i started using cybersecurity via tryhackme.

[timid latch]

I wrote python this weekend for uni!

[carmine apex]

uh huh

[lethal bison]

why do you guys use "!" ?

[timid latch]

-# and I hated it, because math

[lethal bison]

i learnt about math from godot.

hello?

hey anyone on rn?

[timid latch]

I am

[lethal bison]

oh, i thought this server was empty

[buoyant coral]

I'm also new

so nice to meet u

[lethal bison]

yeah nice to meet you too

[buoyant coral]

nice to meet u

[solemn tulip]

do we have stats on that?

[timid latch]

we prooly do, let me go looking

hmm the public stats page only has stats for the past year

I'm sure joe has posted some graphs before tho

[timid latch]

found some specifically for #discord-bots

[paper sequoia]

#community-meta message

I asked semi-recently, not a graph, but some general numbers

[solemn tulip]

what is this a count of?

[timid latch]

right I should have linked a source, its messages

#community-meta message

[solemn tulip]

overall messages in the server?

[timid latch]

found some specifically for ⁠#discord-bots

[solemn tulip]

no chance we have ~6k messages in a quarter

like, I have >1k messages in this server in the last quarter (I would give an accurate number if discord mobile wasn't ass)

[solemn tulip]

oh, discord bot channel in particular

[timid latch]

this has more recent server wide stats

[green pelican]

Rip pydis 🙏

[fickle plover]

hello everyone, i hope all is having a great day/evening depending on your timezone!

[quiet gorge]

Wow yay

Thats my first time to talk here

[vague skiff]

Superhero comics taught us that vigilante justice is not only justified but necessary in my opinion

[minor ferry]

in hindsight i think was incredibles 2 or 3 that revealed how rough that style is

[jovial oriole]

Only issue is that the lives of people are now being decided by the moral compass of a single person

"If i had the death note, i wouldve killed only criminals and been smart" - everyone

[frozen crane]

I strongly believe that we need to change the topic.

.topic

[median dome]

**What is the tallest building you've entered?**

Suggest more topics here!

[frozen crane]

Rockefeller center or the empire state building

[lament cairn]

does a big ass water slide count

[frozen crane]

and I've been in the washington monument, which was the tallest building in the world at one time

[tardy hedge]

My aunt's apartment ig

[thick osprey]

I've been at the washington monument but not in it. It is very tall. Made me dizzy to look at it.

I don't deal with heights well in most cases.

[frozen crane]

it's not really that tall in absolute terms. but it's way taller than anything around it, by a lot

[thick osprey]

It's also the tallest elevation in the area, isn't it?

I recall it was quite windy up there.

[frozen crane]

no, there are buildings in the city at a higher elevation where the top of that building is higher

[thick osprey]

Most just have been more open. Heh. I should revisit sometime. Hold onto the memory a little tighter this time.

[frozen crane]

today I walked to the highest point in the city and took a picture of my office, 7 miles away

and I saw another building that I think was a certain one 14 miles away

[thick osprey]

Wild. It's quite flat where I am in comparison. Certainly I could get to a good vantage point, but the trees would be in the way of seeing anything.

[minor ferry]

I use to live on the 8th floor of a tall building

[frozen crane]

how many more floors were there?

[minor ferry]

many

[frozen crane]

I used to live on the 16th floor of a building, and that was pretty exciting

[minor ferry]

nvm

I went go look at the building

I only lived 4 stories up

i was in the 8th unit on the floor

over 2 units is not for me I want to live on the ground

[tardy hedge]

I have been in 30th floor

or around 30

[frozen crane]

I live in a low-rise condo now that's almost 100 years old
I wouldn't want to live in a high-rise that's that old

[tardy hedge]

yeah

I went on a ride in a fest last sunday and it was a gaint wheel and a coloumbus ride, that was the worst night

[smoky hearth]

yeah was in london for some months. living in the highest building around on a high floor level just feels amazing.

[tardy hedge]

me the whole night after the ride -> amegablobsweats

[minor ferry]

I went on a google map adventure tosolve this

[minor ferry]

what's do you have against old age

[wooden silo]

entropy

[minor ferry]

hello unc

how have you been

https://tenor.com/view/linus-torvalds-gif-8862620693042076289

[wooden silo]

Kinda stressed

I moved to a new project and got a big complex task

[minor ferry]

do you have time to do walking

[wooden silo]

I both walk and run

[wooden silo]

I wouldn't wanna do that, it seems hard to concentrate

[minor ferry]

running is more efficient for my goal of 11-13k steps a day

[wooden silo]

I like taking a break to walk or run, helps to unwind mentally as well

[wooden silo]

Yeah, I usually end up somewhere around there as well

[minor ferry]

I am making a lot of progresses, in my self education

[wooden silo]

That's nice

[bronze summit]

Hey guys... I'm new here

[minor ferry]

Hello new here.

am wing

[wooden silo]

I'm dad.

[wooden silo]

But yes, hi

[minor ferry]

*unc

[wooden silo]

I'm actually not an uncle

My brother doesn't have any kids

[bronze summit]

Ok

[wooden silo]

Not even an uncle-in-law, my wife's brother doesn't have kids either

[minor ferry]

I am but I don't interact with them

[wooden silo]

How ironic

[bronze summit]

I'm also a noob

Like python noob

[wooden silo]

Do you want to learn Python?

[minor ferry]

anyways unc

[bronze summit]

Yes

[wooden silo]

Now it just looks like you're projecting

[wooden silo]

• Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online.
• If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good.
• I also recommend Harvard’s free online course CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python.
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser.

[minor ferry]

perhaps

I don't like my extended family very much

[bronze summit]

Like I only know how to use numpy and pandas

But I want to learn more libraries

[minor ferry]

They aren't bad people

but my parents aren't good people

[wooden silo]

Do you feel like you have a good understanding of general programming fundamentals, and Python in general?

[wooden silo]

That sucks

[bronze summit]

Yh I do

[wooden silo]

Ok, so what's your ultimate goal?

[minor ferry]

Become a master of python?

[bronze summit]

Yh exactly 💯

But some times I feel like I know nothing

[wooden silo]

That's not a very useful goal. There's no benchmark for it, and there's no practical benefit to it.

[minor ferry]

you get to impress your friends

[wooden silo]

It'd be better to pick something more concrete, like "I want to be able to build X"

Where X can be whatever you want (including X)

[minor ferry]

and you will be fun at lan parties

[lusty basin]

Thats the spirit,keep going to learn more

[wooden silo]

Do people still do that?

[bronze summit]

I use python for data analysis but I need to learn more

[minor ferry]

No people don't have friends

[minor ferry]

It's still Standard E sports competition Format tho

[bronze summit]

I suck at social vibes , that's y I love coding

[minor ferry]

I don't think I was bad at it as much as I hated doing it

of course I don't hold these views anymore

for I have reformed.

[bronze summit]

Yh

In What exactly...?

[minor ferry]

In mind

[wooden silo]

Coding, especially professional coding, is actually a very social activity.

[minor ferry]

Yes

don't be a redditor.

[smoky hearth]

can't agree xd

[pulsar heart]

it is. kinda sucks tho.

[prime lagoon]

You could be me and use minimal libraries and do things yourself.

[smoky hearth]

did anybody here play around with 3.14.3 free threaded py build

[pulsar heart]

https://youtu.be/PCmUe9nXDog

kendrick chose the wrong genre lmao

[tardy rain]

Kendrick needs to officially release Prayer

I need it on spotify

[patent river]

Huh

[lusty basin]

@patent river so like do you study all day?

[patent river]

no

But l propably have time but its just that school has put my moral down

But dont worry l will try think this through

[dense marten]

I can debug codes

[bronze root]

I'm starting to like claude more and more

in particular, the notion integration to make a quick report on the aspects I've worked on so far feels good

[uneven gale]

I am Master Oogway

[lethal bison]

yo

[pulsar heart]

hows that nothing ever happens feeling on the gas station 😭

[tardy rain]

Why would i be at a gas station

I dont own a car

[pulsar heart]

based

[tropic ore]

there's the gas prices are rising feeling i guess

[pulsar heart]

if this keeps going even us carless dudes will start feeling it in the food prices and such

[tardy rain]

I've been feeling my food prices increase for a while

You ever shop in a waitrose?

[pulsar heart]

be ready to feel it more then

[tardy rain]

Salmon can only cost so much

Absolutely absurd prices already

The other day i was at a butchers buying pork chops

These mfs charge more than the chops in the fridges

I thought butchers and fishmongers are supposed to be cheaper

[pulsar heart]

supermarket is cheaper, more efficient supply chain, economics of scale, etc

like I saw this for fruit the other day when I was at a local market thing

[tardy rain]

Why are they all bitching about going out of business then

I try to shop local but damn dude youre basically robbing me

Everything local costs more and that shouldnt make sense

[pulsar heart]

im guessing their margins are still slim even w/ the high prices

[tardy rain]

Maybe they should stop thinking about money if they want to survive

Its fine and dandy to ask the customer to think beyond money and support local businesses, why cant we ask businesses to do the same

I picked up 2x pork chops

They cost me £6.50 each

EACH

[pulsar heart]

negative margins would mean they be donating money to you

theyre getting outcompeted

is all

[tardy rain]

How can a superstore ship meat to me from other countries and sell it to me at half the price and some local butcher cant put their prices down a bit

And you know what, they werent even that good at 6.50 each

[pulsar heart]

idk the details

but I buy supermarket

it aint my job to fix this problem

[tardy rain]

I do too, that was the first and last time i go to a butchershop

Its ridiculous

Show up to a saturday farmers market and it costs more than whole foods

Explain

In other news
2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-)

Im doing my part, are you?

I dont usually get to have negative ratio prs

[pulsar heart]

im not, I just got home

been doing CI that auto-calls AI agents in my PRs

[young shoal]

economies of scale

[pulsar heart]

i already said it

i.think he was just venting

i too, get pissed at expensive food

I like my food cheap and plentiful

[pulsar heart]

yum, tortilla mexicana

love it

mexican boy taught me

healthiest food I kno, crazy

also the tastiest

[uneven gale]

R u talking about turtles

[pulsar heart]

no

[carmine apex]

is this like a raid or something

[pulsar heart]

its always the same channel I think

[carmine apex]

if they're random compbots, then they usually target channels in either ascending or descending numerical id order, and then get blammed at the fifth channel

but this is slightly different

[pulsar heart]

makes sense

[carmine apex]

and the cryptoscam compbots usually do 4 attachments iirc

[pulsar heart]

giving the crypto community their good reputation lmao /s

[uneven gale]

Are you talking about cryptography

[weak peak]

no, cryptocurrency.

[minor ferry]

no, cryptogram

[solemn tulip]

no, cryptozoology

[uneven gale]

Do u want my wallet address to pay?

[elder sand]

Uhm hi?

Whhere I can learn some phyton?

[minor ferry]

food is local

[soft violet]

#python-discussion

!resources

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[minor ferry]

ermmm actukually

[minor ferry]

good.

[pulsar heart]

bought a couple more RHM stocks, how evil of me, literally as bad as putin and trump

as if its not my tax EUR thats feeding into these companies margins anyway 🤦‍♀️

[wooden silo]

Why would buying RHM be immoral?

[pulsar heart]

some people have a misconception that a retail investor buying stock on the secondary market represents a direct show of support for the company

at most we provide liquidity when talking about these 50B+ market cap companies

[wooden silo]

I was more questioning that RHM is immoral.

I do think it's hard to argue that investing in a stock doesn't benefit the company in some way, however small.

Directly or indirectly.

[pulsar heart]

the difference between a million and a billion is a billion

I don't have a single million

even if I did have the power to move the tape, owning the stock through the secondary market is a very indirect way of supporting the company

the stock market is more of a betting market than anything else

[wooden silo]

I agree that the effect is small. But I don't think it's zero.

[pulsar heart]

it's so small that nothing really happens if I buy or dont buy

[wooden silo]

Probably nothing significant, no.

[minor ferry]

hello unc

[wooden silo]

I just don't think it's a morally neutral action. That doesn't mean you have to change. I make moral compromises all the time myself.

[wooden silo]

Hello, though as we previously established, you're the real unc

[minor ferry]

I messed up on the Genealogy, realized I am not

my Siblings are not old and cousins just produce more cousins

long nights

[tardy rain]

Rheinmetall AG literally builds tanks for profit

[minor ferry]

had to seach up what it was

I feel like I would be rude if I said I didn't care

hmm

More like my own moral sensibilities are far removed from the topic

[minor ferry]

I suppose your subscribing good and evil to both actions and entity

I think I only do so for actions

[tardy rain]

Thats fair

[wooden silo]

Sometimes you need tanks for good purposes.

[tardy rain]

If you dont care you dont care

I dont care either

[minor ferry]

you need a good tank to protect your dps

so you can hold middle

[wooden silo]

Entity?

[minor ferry]

A good tank can group enemies together for aoe attack

[wooden silo]

If a totalitarian state wants to invade a peaceful democracy unprovoked, it's probably a good thing if the democracy has tanks to defend itself.

[wooden silo]

Tanking was definitely the most fun role in WoW, since you had the most to do.

Healing was ok too.

[minor ferry]

tank good.

[tardy rain]

Tank great

[minor ferry]

Tank forever

[tardy rain]

Well almost forever

[wooden silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXBDPdNrIKw

[pulsar heart]

killing that spider that other day has me more concerned than buying RHM

[wooden silo]

Well, under current circumstances I think buying RHM is a good thing on the whole.

[pulsar heart]

hell, owning this cellphone is way more morally dubious tbh

[minor ferry]

I think you should by lockheed martin instead.

https://tenor.com/view/lockheed-lockheed-martin-f-35-f-35-f35-gif-10854798576425744511

[pulsar heart]

I dislike american stock cuz the dollar keeps falling

[minor ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHH24bGZh4

[pulsar heart]

once that trend reverses I might consider going back

US investor putting money in the SP500 is probly fine, but anyone else is getting ripped off rn if they do it

[pulsar heart]

pure play on european defense. and its not like we dont need it

[wooden silo]

We definitely do.

[minor ferry]

Double the defense budget?

[pulsar heart]

I think we got close to a trillion planned for the next 5 or 10 years

[minor ferry]

double it and cut in half!

[pulsar heart]

RHM has their backlog filled for the next decade

the movements you see is nothing but execution risk and overleveraged gamblers betting on the outcome of the ukraine war

the outcome is irrelevant, the backlog is not going anywhere,.pretty sure defense spending is baked into germanys law at this point

• stockpiles are running low, even the US is gonna wanna order from european companies

[minor ferry]

more bombs pls

[pulsar heart]

such is our predicament

have we ever been closer to WWIII?

[carmine apex]

we aren't close now

most would say that there were a few close calls during the cuban missile crisis

[vale raven]

sez u

[tardy rain]

Nothing ever happens

[pulsar heart]

we are closer than ever

[carmine apex]

absolutely not

[pulsar heart]

there's multiple ongoing conflicts prone to being merged, the degradation of formal channels and trust in international institutions and norms, and a party actively trying to create regional escalation

[pulsar heart]

this is textbook pre world war, the only thing saving us is nuclear deterrence

our world is at war

this is a fact

[carmine apex]

i suppose you can argue proximity based on definition of "world war 3"

an international conflict is not distant, sure

[pulsar heart]

what is there to argue, look around dude

europe is rearming

[carmine apex]

a nuclear conflict has been far closer in the past

[pulsar heart]

that is not normal

the germans took off their constitutional debt limit or wtv it was

to spend on the military

the germans

this is not a post war time, its a pre war time

[carmine apex]

eh, at worst it's a new cold war, which has been going on for a while

perhaps a third cold war

[wooden urchin]

Hello, I'm new here

[pulsar heart]

doesnt feel very cold here in europe

feels very hot over there towards ukraine

the folks in the middle east also would like to beg to differ as well

we got russian drones flying near our bases in europe

can we please agree on the color of the sky here

[carmine apex]

there's always a war going on somewhere, even during the actual cold war. hell, there were multiple times where us and soviet forces directly fought each other

[pulsar heart]

typical american hubris, thats why the us always join late, and why we had to setup NATO

[surreal otter]

Feels a little hot for a cold war, no/>

You know, bombs flying, not just words

Russia guiding Iran on where to bomb Americans

America dropping sanctions on Russia

Who's side is America on anyways/

Apparently not the side of her military

[pulsar heart]

omg thank you

i dont wanna like be alarmist, but lets be real, the situation ought to be taken seriously

[carmine apex]

you may want to re-read the history of nato

[pulsar heart]

I keep having to cite the first secretary general of nato

natos purpose is to keep the US in, soviet union out, and the germans down

ofc today is not soviet union, its russia

[carmine apex]

the purpose of an organization can change with time

germans were the bad guys for a while

nowadays they're considered a good-guy regional superpower

it's not infeasible, as well, that if the fall of the soviet union happened differently, russia could have joined nato

it sounds like this was considered by putin (of all people) around 2000

[stark prawn]

ram prices are so fun right now
but if the straight keeps being blocked major manufacturers are bound to run out of resources for making new ram within a month

[pulsar heart]

sure, all I said was, "thats why we setup nato in the first place", or something of the sort

[pulsar heart]

.

the americans will always think the same way cuz thats just what their geography dictates, ppl come and go, but the stage always places the same constraints

[vital tree]

all I know is that things are about to pop off worldwide

if they're not already

the next threat to humanity should be very clear at this point

all we can do is look out for our own

us americans that is

[pulsar heart]

i must admit, when trump got elected, i was legit, "eh, what was the worse that could happen"

[vital tree]

I was crashing out since january

im tired and sick

[carmine apex]

while likely, this is a poor idea

"apes together strong" and all that

[vital tree]

I am not sure what you mean. I still hold people accountable if they do wrong

and sure, some people might not be the smartest but perhaps their talent lies elsewhere

everyone has a role

we are only strong together if we know how to take advantage of each others talents to advance our societies

sadly we are not advancing. We are declining in the US. It is the collapse of an empire

but a new one will one day take its place like always

[pulsar heart]

was always bound to happen, you cant keep down literally billions of people forever

[vital tree]

your speak of american hubris humors me

it's like "true!"

but I tend to think I may be a bit biased. I don't have a lot of faith in people anymore

[pulsar heart]

india will emerge as one of the superpowers, surpassing europe, the US will always have a seat at the big boys table but wont have nearly the same power as today

[vital tree]

I don't really understand how that would be

what have they been doing to upgrade their infrastructure and stability?

is there some new resource they've come into?

a trade they are particularly well off from?

[carmine apex]

the irony of speaking about not being able to keep people down, and then alleging that india is destined for superpower status

[pulsar heart]

its just what their population pyramid dictates, I am talking about stuff towards the end of the century

[vital tree]

its possible, I just wouldn't say it's destiny lol

[pulsar heart]

europes population will peak in the coming years

[vital tree]

to be honest, I believe high populations are why high casualty wars exists

lives seem less and less valuable the more of them you stack together

at least to your politicians

[pulsar heart]

sounds like you are stuck in the status quo and havent taken the time to consider what is being projected into the future

again, im talking about many years in the future

[vital tree]

many things could happen, I am not sure we will have a world in 10 years

but who could truly say?

[pulsar heart]

okay, im not saying like, 100% this will happen, but has a fair likelihood pf happening

always hard to talk about distant future as you say

[carmine apex]

i'm not saying india can't become a superpower. but they're also a country that

keep down literally billions of people

[vital tree]

fair enough, just dont say 'destined' next time. That's what kinda implied it heavily

aren't they all the same in the end? Sure, they're a little different especially in culture in whatnot but with how power and society works... is it really all that different?

[pulsar heart]

I dont recall saying that

[vital tree]

if it isn't india it'll be some other country

[pulsar heart]

I mightve

[pulsar heart]

.

i didnt

but I do have a hard time expressing the certainty of the beliefs Im expressing, get caught up in the moment

[stark prawn]

The US has a history of doing the same.

[vital tree]

ah it wasn't you

[vital tree]

dont we all lol

sometimes its best to slow it down

[carmine apex]

sadly it appears that oppression is a prerequisite to power

[vital tree]

oppression can be unintentional

but perhaps

[stark prawn]

This was very intentional

[vital tree]

in relation to geopolitical events, sure. I'm just saying oppression can be unintentional

all it takes is someone being unable to express themselves and their will

sometimes people can be too timid and just kinda let people tell them what to do and where to go

would that not be a form of oppression?

[carmine apex]

not by itself, no

[vital tree]

perhaps

I guess what im trying to say is, you're oppressed if you believe you are. Even if thats not conventional reality, it may be yours

belief is power? I'm not sure how to put it into words

[carmine apex]

oppression is defined by morality, which is certainly subjective, but the usual definition requires some kind of significant consensus

[vital tree]

an excellent way to put it

truth be told I think im still learning how to be moral

perhaps due to it's subjective nature we all will always be learning how to gain and keep morality until the end of our life cycles

but I certainly will say it feels alienating when your morality does not match the vast majority or perception thereof

best stance to take is passive observer

[stark prawn]

I disagree

[pulsar heart]

idk, historically speaking the majority has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to morality

I feel quite safe being in the minority in this regard

also for the most part I dont really care what others do, unless its like, literal murder in front of me or something like that

[primal mason]

Bro raspberry pi is overpriced now 💀

😂

Preowned mini PC OP

W peripherals shit is gonna be like 200+

vs better spec pc with everything included for $75

Maybe slightly higher power usage but I think it’s pretty comparable if u use external ssd on pi

[pulsar heart]

did they hike the prices?

[primal mason]

I mean I think back in the day they were like 70-80 but also I just don’t think u could get a full PC that cheap back in the day would atleast be like 200-300

So it was better deal

[pulsar heart]

they seem to be in the same place as the last time I checked

been meaning to buy some for my projects

[primal mason]

I mean they weren’t 8gb of ram back in the day either tho lol

Like 1Gb lol

[pulsar heart]

yea and ram prices got hiked, so i was wondering if it spread

[primal mason]

Ya they prolly still good but if ur tryna run like home server im prolly boutta buy this pc instead of pi 5 just bc its cheaper for same/slightly better specs

Obv not as small tho and will use slightly more power over time might add up

[pulsar heart]

just some basic stuff to run my personal AI thing, save some money on CI as well, maybe even start thinkering around with drone tech, like straight up sticking 4 fans to it and see where it goes lmao

[weak peak]

no?

[frozen crane]

sup @bleak quest ?

[bleak quest]

hey

i didn't actually think you would! i am glad you did

[frozen crane]

what do you wanna talk about?

[bleak quest]

i dont mind mate im just... so bad at discord its untrue.

always getting misunderstood and into trouble

[frozen crane]

what time is it for you? did you do anything interesting today?

[bleak quest]

its six past midnight here in england. i just got back from working on a piano (i help restore pianos)

i had to get away from computers you could probably tell ;P

[frozen crane]

oh wow, how long have you been doing that?

[bleak quest]

its a side job, 5 or so years, playing though more like 36 years or so, same amount of time ive been programming

what about you though?

[frozen crane]

mm, not really. work, gym, made dinner.
I've wanted to play the piano for a long time. I've played other instruments and have a pretty solid understanding of music theory, but I can't get past the stage where everything is arduous.

[bleak quest]

all the instruments are 'arduous' though 😛

[frozen crane]

I have a keyboard (the piano kind), but it's pretty dinky. I can't decide if I should upgrade to one with weighted keys now, or set that as a gift that I'll buy myself if I make more progress.

[bleak quest]

i play many instruments but piano and drums are the main ones

yeah weighted is essential. but easy to get hold of these days cheap

[frozen crane]

from craigslist or what?

[bleak quest]

ahh probably, ebay or just even new a couple hundred dollars would probably get you weighted 88 keys digital

yamaha p45 or something, pow! your'e sorted

even those cheap gear4music ones and casio are 1000 times better than a keyboard

[frozen crane]

I dunno, it would just compound my self-disappointment if I didn't practice on that one, either.

[bleak quest]

😛

there's almost a comparison here for my journey with OOP but yeah haha

[minor ferry]

hello Stelercus

[frozen crane]

whatever I get, it's still going to be a keyboard, in the sense that it will be electric. with headphones.
I am very nice to my neighbors.

[bleak quest]

nah if its 88 keys, weighted full size its a 'digital piano'. it counts!

and you can still do your headphones

[frozen crane]

in my vocabulary, "digital piano" == "keyboard"
with the caveat that "keyboard" is overloaded (could also be a letter keyboard)

[minor ferry]

A piano the size of a full board keyboard maybe larger would be cool

[bleak quest]

yeah that meaning has changed over the years. anyone who calls it a keybaord is gatekeeping. send them my way i'll set them straight

oh and a sustain pedal, that'll come with it.

[frozen crane]

maybe what I should focus on for now is playing the right chord as I listen to a song, in real time
I imagine that consistently being able to get your fingers to the keys for the current chord (regardless of spacing) is how you reduce the cognitive load of playing multiple keys at a time

specifically, I mean not trying to play the melody/harmony/etc. just getting the chord.

[bleak quest]

the best thing is to do it your own way. honestly.

the power comes from the rest of the body, fingers are just the last point of contact

[frozen crane]

woah
I'm 30 and this is deep

[bleak quest]

playing on unweighted is too 'easy' so you end up using your fingers and develop bad technique for piano. thats the twist.

[frozen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[bleak quest]

are you ex security/doorman by any chance?

[frozen crane]

no, why?

[bleak quest]

ah just a random guess a few factors kinda hinted at something like it

[frozen crane]

I worked at a coffee shop while I got my CS degree and now I work in AI R&D.

[bleak quest]

what's AI R&D?

[frozen crane]

artificial intelligence research and development

[bleak quest]

my arch nemesis then :p

[frozen crane]

my company doesn't make consumer products, if that helps.

[bleak quest]

im an artist, live by the sword die by the sword type. its my life

and i know by now if i ask AI to write me music in the style of eveshka ghost

its probably going to sound like me, and that scares me

[frozen crane]

from the few AI songs I've listened to, I've noticed that if even the actual music is fine (and I mean just... fine), the lyrics are incredibly bland.

[bleak quest]

would you believe if i told you i wrote an AI music maker like 8 years ago or so from scratch, that only used libraries i coded for it and didnt go on the internet? ;p

[frozen crane]

I would.

[bleak quest]

you click a button and it makes an album in MIDI in 10 seconds. you then take the midi and decorate it however you like

yeah that was quite a task. it was fun by you know what, i got bored of it. i could have kept writing little libaries and make the music different

but it just felt wrong

the biggest flaw it had was 1) it didn't when to stop something dull. and 2) it didn't know when it was onto a good thing, and stopped it too soon.

[frozen crane]

I imagine you used some heuristics about what chords can go in what order, and a couple of rules about melodies, and then off to the races?

[bleak quest]

more detailed than that

[frozen crane]

I'm sure.

[bleak quest]

because im self taught in music i have my own language and system for describing it, and its a bit lower level

but yeah ALMOST like that

it was funny but it got boring quick

[frozen crane]

I would listen to more AI-generated music and look for patterns, but I don't want to fuck up my content recommendation algorithms

[bleak quest]

if you ever wanna listen to that particular one its on youtube ;p

[frozen crane]

sure

[bleak quest]

just type "tigerwolf pride of the pack"

i was trying to invent a new genre called CGM (computer generated music) but then REAL AI came along and well... typical me, always a few steps behind, as you already know

always showing up late for the party

[frozen crane]

the one from rusalka records?

[bleak quest]

yeah

it should have a character on the front that looks kinda liek a tiger and kinda like a wolf

thats actually a picture of our cat, but warped and stuff.

[frozen crane]

do you wanna see a picture of my cat??

[bleak quest]

he's getting old now he keeps going HUALLOOOW!! hullooWW!!

sure thing

even though im not a cat person at all but its all good 😄

[frozen crane]

sorry, I did a whole photo shoot that day

the lighting was very aesthetic

[bleak quest]

ahh not quite as terrifying as some 🙂

thank you for sharing though

[analog yarrow]

got both

[scarlet dagger]

🧀

[stoic lodge]

The cat mogs the entire server

[elder sand]

uhm hi?

[ripe birch]

He unlisted the thong song :c

Well better than deleting it i guess

i felt like listening to it, checked his channel, it wasn't there

fortunately the link has been shared in this server a hundred thousand times lol

and the vid is not privated, just unlisted :p

[lucid wasp]

just a hungry hijust a ❤️ 💰 hungry hi

[ripe birch]

What? Are you hacked or something?

[pulsar heart]

i dont think im ever gonna write code from scratch again unless im tryna learn something new

my life is now reading code

[minor ferry]

congrats your now in mangement

[pulsar heart]

that would mean we cooked cuz im only managing AI agents

only diff between these things I setup and a human is that they cant take ownership

[pulsar heart]

be glad about jevons paradox lmao

societies hunger for automation is insatiable

[minor ferry]

I've never you seen get an inch and not turn it into a mile.

[pulsar heart]

im saying that even if AI tooling is almost as good as AGI we still good

they not. but they pretty good imo

i write an issue, gemini kinda cleans it up, adds docs, triages it, links what needs to be linked like previous PRs or wtv

then I assign it to copilot who ppens a PR, does its thing, and when its done asks me for a review

I approve the CI runs, if a CI run fails it auto calls copilot to fix it, if it doesnt fail it auto calls sonnet to review it for legibility and design, copilot complies with the suggestions, I approve CI runs again, and only then I do a deep dive review

the result is good, I got CI for everything from normal static type checking, to stuff limiting the number of branches and number of lines a function can have

[worthy oracle]

seems like there is a bug going around

[honest star]

@ancient summit I have hyperactivity adhd, so my thoughts go zoooom. My brain is never quiet. Meds help calm the pace down a bit and let me focus.

[worthy oracle]

season changing and all

[ancient summit]

oh

basically ur brain cant stop thinking.. Or your thought processes are too fast and get replaced very often

[honest star]

@solar shell I am sick. Seems like a regular cold. Just need to give it time and meds.

[solar shell]

Medicines for a cold?

[honest star]

Yurp. There are other parts of ADHD, but that's what my medication addresses

[honest star]

mhm

sympton relievers

[solar shell]

What if the cold mutates an-and it becomes stronger and

It will make it worse, won't it?

[carmine apex]

then kat will become a zombie

[ancient summit]

um which one? first one or second one

LIke which one did u say "yep" to?

[solar shell]

How did you get ADHD diagnosed?

[ancient summit]

yeah how did u figure out that you have adhd?

[honest star]

Both

[ancient summit]

ohh

[ancient summit]

what do you find very hard to do? Like any specific normal job?

[honest star]

My close friends and family were very uh... supportive of me talking to a doctor to get a diagnosis. Apparently a lot of things I thought were normal were not.

[solar shell]

It doesn't make sense for experts to diagnose people with certain conditions like ADHD and autism and all the variations of them for different people, maybe some people just think differently.

[ancient summit]

thats good to hear

[solar shell]

And we're just categorising people into different groups which is not good.

[ancient summit]

yeah

[tardy rain]

It only makes sense for experts to diagnose people with conditions

[honest star]

Sure. But what if that thinking differently is impacting them enough where they're sturggling with day-to-day? Or struggling with specific socializing scenarios?

The diagnosis is intended to help people by knowing what advice and solutions are available to that person based on what they're experiencing.

[solar shell]

Veltrix look in captain fisher.

[ancient summit]

different groups which can be helped effectively

I did

[solar shell]

Okay.

It's weird that ot2 is named Captain Fisher and I am a fish.

[ancient summit]

??

[ancient summit]

the name of ot channels change every day.

[solar shell]

Interesting.

6-7?

[honest star]

For instance, it is often really helpful for people with autism to still get diagnosed even if there is no medication or whatever. Simply because they can now be pointed to resources that are tailored to them and how their brain works.

The "normal" advice may not work for their brain, but advice from people similar to them will. So that diagnosis gets them those resources more directly.

[solar shell]

I can't wait for my summer/christmas holidays to start.

I am gonna 3D print again.

But first I need to clean my printer from the dusts and cobwebs that riddle it.

[honest star]

I have no concept of how long things take. I have total time blindness. So being able to estimate time or keep within time restrictions is very difficult for me. I like to hyperfocus on topics, but I want a variety. So doing the same shallow work day-in and day-out would be hard for me.

[ancient summit]

oh

[solar shell]

Why not use a watch with a timer?

[thick osprey]

Some of us do, but that solves a different problem than estimating a project time.

[honest star]

I do. That is my current solution to things. But other people don't have to. They just know generally how long things take, how much time has passed, etc.

[solar shell]

I have to go now.

See you next year guys.

[honest star]

The #1 most important feature on a smart watch for me is customizable and multiple timers. I will not use a smart watch that doesn't have that feature.

Which is weird for most people

I need a thing attached to my body that will buzz and yell at me after a certain amount of time has passed

[thick osprey]

I require a timer that just infinitely loops. Set a 15 minute time, make noise or buzz when it expires, push button and the timer restarts.

Don't make me set a new timer. Just keep going, every 15 minutes.

[honest star]

My poor boyfriend whenever he visits me and has to deal with my snoozing of the alarm...

[tardy rain]

Lmao

Im not even adhd and im alarm blind when im asleep

My hand moves on its own

[honest star]

saaame and I'm a heavy sleeper. I have sleep-cancelled so many alarms.....

[thick osprey]

It's such a struggle.

[honest star]

If it gets bad enough I make it make me do math before I can snooze or cancel it

Like I get 3 free snoozes and after that I need to do math

[tardy rain]

I used to have my mom call me on special occasions

And then i started leaving her on the phone

I've gotten better

[thick osprey]

I had to make some concessions with my partner. They have issues with devices making noise. I need an alarm to loudly wake me up. It took six years, but I'm to the point that I can honor their "1 snooze max" request.

[honest star]

also, isn't "snooze" such a weird word? It looks weird, it sounds weird. It's a weird word.

[tardy rain]

They can take on the job if they dont like devices

Ankle grab and pull should do it

[thick osprey]

Just a little snoozel.

It's all the cool noises. Tickles the nasal cavities as you say it. snnnnooooooze

[minor ferry]

create a jira ticket.

[pulsar heart]

*tell gemini to create a jira ticket

fixed that for you 😉

gemini or any other model, they all the same

used to be old ppl who resisted change

ah, how times can change

tho, I understand the pushback against LLMs, lots to hate

[thick osprey]

Resisting change has never been age-gated.

[pulsar heart]

I was not aware, I grew up with the idea old ppl had a hard time adapting

[thick osprey]

Give a toddler something new to eat instead of their regular snack and tell me how well that goes.

[pulsar heart]

ahah

you kno what I mean tho

[minor ferry]

REBELLION

[thick osprey]

I don't.

[pulsar heart]

kids like to pick up the trendy new thing

[tropic ore]

resisting technology that might make you lose your only source of income sounds like something that many people regardless of age would do

[minor ferry]

a lot of time the trendy new thing isn't a very new thing./

[pulsar heart]

quite sure if I look it up its documented somewhere in academia

[tropic ore]

in fact i've seen more older people who embrace the thing that is AI more than younger people

[minor ferry]

I'm still pretty firm in my Little theory the 67 meme was Gen Alpha exertimenting with Nilihisim

[thick osprey]

Anyone can pick up the trendy new thing. Don't mix the signals. The difference is that a child's life is full of change. An adult's life has the option of being routine.

I think what you mean is that many people never learn to deal with change.

[minor ferry]

how are you today unc Preocts

[pulsar heart]

ig we live in different worlds

[thick osprey]

What do you mean?

[minor ferry]

yes, unc Preocts lives in the real world.

[pulsar heart]

lmao

[thick osprey]

If you're going to be antagonistic, do it without involving me.

[minor ferry]

okay

[pulsar heart]

I dont think you guys are engaging in good faith

[minor ferry]

I wasn't but he was.

[tropic ore]

it's more of a "lol funny" than "this joke has no meaning and our laughs are sinply sarcasm" imo

[thick osprey]

I'm attempting to. Where have I given you the impression that I'm not? Let's talk about it.

[pulsar heart]

you know how to steelman what Im saying, but choose not to

im not really interested in arguing about it tho

[thick osprey]

Are you interested in talking about it instead?

[pulsar heart]

i was just making an obsevation, i dont kno why it turned into an argument lmao

[thick osprey]

We can leave it there then. My intention was not argumentative.

[honest star]

People disagreeing with you and trying to talk about it does not automatically mean they're arguing

[pulsar heart]

i understand

[pulsar heart]

what about the comment that implies that I dont live in the real world ?

feels very combative idk

[minor ferry]

you got to think about the themes of the song it came from, it not music people dance too nor is it very lyrical,
it about someone who steals a car, drives around with chauffeur, Commit a violent crime, drives home and keeps the stolen he used in his crime in his driveway.

[honest star]

Right, so as was said above that person was not engaging in good faith. But Preocts very much was and you still think Preocts is being argumentative when they're just trying to have a discussion

[thick osprey]

fwiw, I also spoke out about the antagonistic comment. It's all I can do.

[pulsar heart]

I was the one who said that person was not arguing in good faith