ot1-perplexing-regexing

[minor ferry]

Kids are whatever you tell them they are

[tardy rain]

I was never told to be a sweet angel but i was anyway

[minor ferry]

I was told I was a man

but I was just a boy

[warped sentinel]

What about generating value and exceeding KPIs?

[green pelican]

Yeah and I was never told to be an annoying ass but here we are

[minor ferry]

Depends on your managers style

ain't that a b*tch

if it not I don't know who is

[tardy rain]

Can I tell you not to be one now?

[minor ferry]

no

[tardy rain]

Is it too late

But his brain is still developing

[jovial oriole]

Why would you put excessive kpi

Makes turning harfer

[green pelican]

True

It might just work

[weak peak]

is it?

[tardy rain]

Yes

[foggy mountain]

hey master

question

how do you read this

[tardy rain]

With my eyes and mind?

[foggy mountain]

nono

mmm

can you write it please?

i don't know english and

don't know how to say that

[tardy rain]

You dont know english?

[foggy mountain]

i would say that, i'm still learning it

i can write it more than i can speak it

[vale raven]

D equals the square root of x2 minus x1 squared plus y2 minus y1 squared

But like

Some people would hear x1 ²

[tardy rain]

d = sqrt(x2) - x1**2 + y2 - y1**2

[foggy mountain]

TAHNK YOU i asked to gemini but they say
"d equals the square root of the quantity x-sub-two minus x-sub-one squared, plus the quantity y-sub-two minus y-sub-one squared."

the "quantity" part doesnt convinced me that much

[foggy mountain]

that way is pretty much easier to understand if i say it

[tardy rain]

You should just use the formula otherwise you might confuse people

The phrasing there is ambiguous

[foggy mountain]

ok, i will have a interview in 2 days and i am preparing for any questino

[vague skiff]

Is there a solution for the Scunthorpe problem

[foggy mountain]

so thats why

so probably if they ask me about cosine similarity or euclidian distance

i can say it

btw is in english 🤣

[vague skiff]

Social Media Censorship is literally 1984

[tardy rain]

Nuh uh

[minor ferry]

never abrivate club penguin

[tardy rain]

Sometimes i wish we had more censorship

Towards people and opinions i dont approve of

[vague skiff]

But we can't say kill without being demonetized

[foggy mountain]

nor competitive programming but people used to

[vague skiff]

cp

Imagine if it's legal to buttbuttinate those who make cp

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/lbry-youtube-odysee-censorship-open-source-gif-20752760

gg pal

your going back to walmart

[tardy rain]

Your about to lose your socially credit

[vague skiff]

Wdym

If censorship prevents us from talking about death, imagine how censored the internet would be in 10 years

It's already a dictatorship bruh

[minor ferry]

who's are people tasting

[tardy rain]

My blog isnt censored

[vague skiff]

But we're forced to say unalive and that will unalive language

1984 stuff bro

[vale raven]

You have a blog?

[tardy rain]

Who is forcing bro

[minor ferry]

I personally like it, and think it's funny

[tardy rain]

In my head

[vale raven]

Is it terminal?

Sounds serious

[tardy rain]

Im afraid so

[vague skiff]

Social media moderation

[minor ferry]

it funs to speak in slang if everyone can figure it out

its a fun

[tardy rain]

Make your own social media

[minor ferry]

game

[vague skiff]

Makes me super angry for some reason. People are mad at that

[tardy rain]

Self host one of those lobster things

[young shoal]

"quantity" is used so that you don't think it's sqrt(x_2) - x_1^2

[minor ferry]

I think people don't like it because does what it's supposed to do

Dismantles emotionally charged speech

[tardy rain]

It doesnt really

It just pushes it back a level

[foggy mountain]

so the way gemini said it, is the correct one?

[young shoal]

yes

[minor ferry]

so and so was murdered by a shooter

he got unalived by a long distance hole puncher jfk style

[minor ferry]

that is Literally the point

[tardy rain]

Its not working tho

People arent less upset because they read graped instead of the actual word that will definitely trigger mod alerts

[carmine apex]

there's a video by Alexander the Ok about the vela incident that covers this fairly well

If you search for footage of 1970s or 1980s South Africa, you're likely to get this - the center of Johannesburg - or you might get propaganda films like this showing their capable and organized military. I'll show similar clips where appropriate through this video, but don't be a sucker. What is harder to find is how the other 85% of the country lived. You don't get much footage of starving children in the Bantustans. You have to actively search to find clips of people being beaten up in townships and dragged into armored vans to be forcibly relocated. This was the reality for the vast majority of South Africans during Apartheid. It's easy to make high-profile visible breakthroughs in science and industry when you exploit and don't care about 85% of your population, especially if you don't share the benefits of those breakthroughs with that 85%. See also the Soviet Union and colonial-era Britain for more of that. If I had the choice, I would show you first-hand accounts of the violence - but I can't. Platforms like youtube promote a biased retelling of history - I can show you the family-friendly propaganda, but if I show you the reality of life under Apartheid, I'll get a community guidelines strike. I'll show what I can, and linked to some other videos showing the grim reality in the description.
emphasis added

[vague skiff]

Isn't YT completely AI

[minor ferry]

It's, It takes the heat off the social media's back in the face of congress, Because new words are being used to explain very old ideas, People react very emotionally too.

[vague skiff]

Community Guidelines should be changed so we can talk about history uncensored

Don't know why talking about Hitler is a no no while talking about Stalin is okay

[minor ferry]

Most governments do not like this

[tardy rain]

Maybe youtube comment sections arent the place for uncensored history talk

[minor ferry]

Maturing is knowing that nowhere is,

[tardy rain]

No

[minor ferry]

Yes.

[tardy rain]

The public square with a megaphone is

And possibly a sign

[vague skiff]

So YT is government-funded?

[minor ferry]

The government allows it to exist

like it does most businesses.

[vague skiff]

But AI shouldn't be biased

[tardy rain]

Why not

[minor ferry]

probably should be, Just so the Developers can avoid legal liablity

especially ones that aren't locally run

[warped sentinel]

why would it create legal liability?

[vague skiff]

Why is Hitler so taboo but the others aren't

[minor ferry]

you can't ask gpt how to make a plastic explosive, No matter how good it may be at explaining step by step. it will refuse.

[tardy rain]

Is that bias tho

[minor ferry]

Bias In support of the law

[tardy rain]

Thats not how the law thinks of bias

[minor ferry]

if it where a country where government didn't care if wanted to make stuff like that. it wouldn't refuse

*if gpt was based in said fictional country

[carmine apex]

you absolutely can

"jailbreaking" llms is a hobby of some folks

[tardy rain]

Bias would be your phone not unlocking through face id because it was trained on white people and youre black

[minor ferry]

Well then you can't ask an LLM that isn't being run by you

[tardy rain]

Not some llm not giving you bomb instructions

[carmine apex]

i'm not talking about local models.

[minor ferry]

wouldn't that be against tos then>

[tardy rain]

ToS arent law

[carmine apex]

there are almost certainly dozens of currently-effective methods to get major LLMs - gpt/claude/gemini/etc - to produce instructions for materials that have no viable legal purpose

though, like stuff such as the anarchist's cookbook, whether those instructions are accurate can be a problem. the cookbook was sometimes considered bigger a threat to users than their targets

[tardy rain]

Just be a better bomb maker

[warped sentinel]

That's not a bias though.

A bias would be more like politically charged answers or having answers influenced by sponsors or other motivations that aren't fact based or aligned

[minor ferry]

It's not epistemic bias, but a mix of legal-risk bias and Normative human bias. Every tool has bias.

[warped sentinel]

so you mean more like the self censorship you see in social media where they replace sex with seggs?

[minor ferry]

that is market bias.

if you get shadow banned your market shrinks or you don't get paid because you got demonizted

a few days ago Someone here was voicing their frustration because, Discord is marketed towards Teen gamer, and caters towards them

another instance of market Bias

[minor ferry]

I suppose. A proper response to this, is an AI always bias, One built in the west is bias towards post ww2 huma right frame works, Secular harm prevention and western legal/moral norms

what should an AI not be bias towards is a better response.

[warped sentinel]

I think your use of the word bias is a bit too loose comparing to how I have seen it used.

But yes, companies will focus on their ICP at the cost of other segments. That's normal

[warped sentinel]

better here is based on your preferences, not on the preferences of the maker of that AI

They may or may not be aligned

[minor ferry]

it's not based on my preferences, it's based on his

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[warped sentinel]

Right, so the answer is better that way

[minor ferry]

I think it's because you don't spend time doing stupid shit with money.

that what people who talk about market bias are usually doing.

[warped sentinel]

Making a product for your users and having PMF is the whole point. So talking about market bias doesn't even make sense in that context

[minor ferry]

market bias is why people self censor. on social media, which makes sense in that context. what makes sense in your context is western human Bias.

[warped sentinel]

I am going to try to say it as nicely as possible, but this is not how these words are defined or what they mean.
We are a bit too far down the rabbit hole, so I am going to bow from this conversation

[minor ferry]

https://www.britannica.com/money/behavioral-biases-in-finance
https://capital.com/en-int/learn/glossary/bias-definition
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38271028/

I think I will cool off as well, the Insinuation that putting words in front of different words doesn't change the meaning of Former word gives me a headache

what exactly is a database anyways

[warped sentinel]

Yep, exactly what I said!

[warped sentinel]

Oh no, I wasn't insinuating anything. I was just telling you that you are using the wrong words and wrong definitions

[warped sentinel]

It's a place that will store data. It's super vague as there are many different ways to achieve that with various level of structure

[minor ferry]

So what is base bro

a

sooooo,,,,

[warped sentinel]

It could be a file, to a server, to some memory, etc.

[minor ferry]

does putting words infront of other words change the meaning of a word?

can word have multiple meaning even ones you never heard of before?

[warped sentinel]

as long as they aren't made up meaning 🙂

[minor ferry]

What meaning was made up

[warped sentinel]

I don't really care to point them out again. They were listed in my previous answers

[minor ferry]

No it isn't I pulled different examples of the world being used differently in different professional spaces to show you , you Literally thought the only bias that existed was epistemic bias, Which is why when you tried to give me the definition of bias you gave an example of epistemic bias.

your answers were wrong.

[warped sentinel]

how is discord targeting and prioritizing their target users an epistemic bias?

[minor ferry]

It not bro, it market bias, A core concept to behavior finances.

[warped sentinel]

how is discord targeting and prioritizing their target users a market bias?

[minor ferry]

Because market bias doesn’t mean unfairness, it means optimization. Discord systematically prioritizes the preferences of its core user market, even when that degrades the experience for users outside that market. That’s exactly what market bias describes

which is why very rarely we can find users outside of the market on discord complaining about discord.

[minor ferry]

This is by default Structually unfair/ but Structurally unfair doesn't equal morally unfair

[warped sentinel]

From the first paragraph on your link on bias:

Bias in trading is a psychological phenomenon, in which an investor makes a decision based on their pre-conceived ideas of what will or won't work without considering the evidence. Bias may also manifest itself in retaining an asset for too long or otherwise behaving against their best interests.

How do you link that to an optimization or choices of discord when working on a feature?

In finance, the market bias will emerge from the various actors that will invest (or not) in the market.
There is no logical link or otherwise with the user market of a company such as discord

And when it comes to discord, there would also be something to be said about bias vs choice

[minor ferry]

is discord a trading company, if not then, the definition in that paragraph Doesn't apply. I sent that link as proof
All specialized fields borrow and adapt common words
The meaning of "bias" changes drastically depending on the system it's describing

Bias (Cognitive/Psychological): A systematic deviation in human judgment from rational inference. Trading bias
Bias (Systems/Structural): A systematic skew in outcomes produced by design, constraints, or optimization criteria. how discord treats gamers and Structually disvantages Non tech savy/ Non gamers

[warped sentinel]

is discord a trading company, if not then, the definition in that paragraph Doesn't apply. I sent that link as proof

So you are saying that financial markets are exactly like a user base?
And a financial market where you have N actors is exactly the same than the user market with 0 actor?

[warped sentinel]

Any decision can involve some form of bias. And while it might be used in slightly different ways to adapt it to a different context or specialization, it will not apply in the ways you are trying to apply it

This is just not how english works

[minor ferry]

I'm saying nothing goes over your head because your too fast. your question was already answered with A sarcastic no. "I sent that link as proof
All specialized fields borrow and adapt common words" is a separate sentence

Ironically this may be a Recursive error.

[warped sentinel]

[minor ferry]

[pulsar heart]

confusing statement, please elaborate

or no, dont if it's gonna be incoherent rambling like the other dudes output

gosh I love the stock market

none of this yappin, just a constant uninterrupted signal telling me Im right

[warped sentinel]

yep, one of the greatest inventions

[pulsar heart]

strongly agree, I truly find it to be a fascinating human phenomena

thinking of dropping this software stuff and pursuing a career in investment

tho, im sure dropping software altogether wouldn't make any sense

[warped sentinel]

you could make your own investments and become financially independent this way

[pulsar heart]

ya is what im doing

but a bit of a slow burn at the start, cuz if I blow up my savings Im homeless

got nowhere to go, my safety net is my bank account

learned that lesson real hard recently when I had a dude going agro on me in my own home

bit of a heavy topic tho. the string of nonsense I've been experiencing is so long that my barometer for these things is not well calibrated lol

[warped sentinel]

wat
I thought you were setup with a remote job or something?

sorry to hear about all of that

[pulsar heart]

no im in the netherlands rn. the current path is to start my own business, likely towards the mid to end of the year. after I finish cleaning up all this mess.

[warped sentinel]

alright, good luck!

[pulsar heart]

thanks

[olive acorn]

Well wear a condom...I mean idk if y'all believe in God, but I do, and God created men and women, and not only that but 300 yrs ago if people heard u were gay or bisexual or anything like that, you would have been killed...I mean idk

But anyway I respect y'all opinions but I don't agree with them

[willow narwhal]

a) not true, b) either way good thing it's not 300 years ago now. On this server you will have to be respectful to people of all genders and sexual orientations.

[minor ferry]

depends on who you were.

[olive acorn]

Lol, alr

[minor ferry]

and who's in charge

[olive acorn]

Read my last message

I said I respect their opinion but I don't agree with them

[olive acorn]

Wdym

[willow narwhal]

I have. For now it's just a reminder.

[minor ferry]

I can't think of, what was the case 300 years go exactly but I know the roman empire, had a fair amount of gays for that time period

[olive acorn]

Nah, I don't think so

What was the punishment for being gay in the 1700s?
… which required a man convicted of sodomy or bestiality to be imprisoned and whipped at a magistrate's discretion, and castrated if the man was married

[minor ferry]

have you ever looked, I think your conflating The reign of Christianity, for all of human history.

[olive acorn]

Alr this was enough

[harsh tundra]

Where? You only talk about when, but not where. There are many cultures, a lot of which were accepting of others

[olive acorn]

Idk, I just googled it

U can search aswell

[minor ferry]

It's a very crude statement, and I do not abide by what is said next

[olive acorn]

Free information on internet btw

[minor ferry]

The greeks invented sex the romans ruined it by adding "anyone who wasn't included before"

[harsh tundra]

This. Polynesia, Asia, Americas - all those regions were accepting before colonisation, a lot of cultures I those regions having culturally recognised more than two genders (those cultural genders were often both about gender and attraction)

[minor ferry]

an old joke

[minor ferry]

Strangly the Islamic world for short stretches of time.

[harsh tundra]

Ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_history

LGBTQ history dates back to the first recorded instances of same-sex love, diverse gender identities, and sexualities in ancient civilizations
There's division by continent for more info

[minor ferry]

also fits in

[harsh tundra]

Dionisus is canon genderfluid/queer af deity

Loki (Nordic deity) literally changed genders at a whim and even got pregnant

[olive acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/what-shocked-shocked-meme-guy-flabbergasted-gif-1578585026154456893

My brain is not braining

There are so many things that appeared over years like mushrooms over rain

[minor ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/introduction-character-the-trickster-the-deceiver-loki-warframe-profile-gif-14531685

The best depiction of loki

[harsh tundra]

The literal history of the word lesbian is name of the island of Lesbos, where Sappho (who wrote love letters to both women and men, and lived with and educated women)...

[harsh tundra]

"over years" and it's literal antiquity...

Alexander the Great had male lovers

There was a Roman emperor who was born male but openly said is a woman, used feminine name, and seeked operations that'd help change the body to better reflect the mind...

[minor ferry]

I'm not a sure about that last one, but not bored enough to verify

[olive acorn]

Didn't knew that, but it looks like it evolved

Now there are more and more, but back than they weren't that many of them

[harsh tundra]

Define evolved?

[olive acorn]

I mean not evolved

[harsh tundra]

How do you know there weren't that many?

[olive acorn]

Wait lemme think of a word

[harsh tundra]

We don't have many records from some time periods

[olive acorn]

English is not my main language

Appeared could be?

[harsh tundra]

And since it was normal then, then who would've documented it as something worth mentioning for future generations?

[olive acorn]

Bc I haven't heard and bet a lot of people haven't heard too

I mean they were not coming in parades for gay rights

[harsh tundra]

The fact you haven't heard, despite claiming "free information on the internet", just means you haven't actually looked

[harsh tundra]

Because they didn't have to fight for their rights, duh

[olive acorn]

That's right

[olive acorn]

In some country's they have

[harsh tundra]

Literally gave you an article that says most of the history was accepting

"free information" and "u can search as well", you said, so I gave you literally a first result from Google...

[olive acorn]

I'm editing sm rn, I'm at work

That's why I can't read

[harsh tundra]

So what? The replies/tags don't mean you have to reply just this instant

[olive acorn]

Nah

I reply when I can

[harsh tundra]

Replying the same stuff over and over again despite being given sources to disprove what you say is counter-productive and wastes everyone else's time. Just reply after you read it

[solemn tulip]

In a similar vein there was also the "rise" in left-handedness after it stopped being punished and discriminated against

which really wasn't a rise

but people just being allowed to do the thing that was natural to them

[pulsar heart]

im moving to paris

[tardy rain]

Yikes

[harsh tundra]

Reminds me that I'd be ambidextrous if not for the preschool teachers always telling me to do stuff only with my right hand :c
At early primary school I still could use my left hand well enough to use it when my right was in a cast... But there was some kind of switch in my brain that made me write well with left - the day the cast was taken off, I got home and I could no longer write as nicely with left.

So I guess I'm glad my current injury is not to my right hand.

[steady jacinth]

@viral bluff another leaving cert participant I see

[pulsar heart]

timing the market >> time in the market

unless u wrong

then u go broke

[pulsar heart]

whats wrong w paris

[tardy rain]

Honestly, i dont know

Whats nice about it

I've never heard anything good about paris

[pulsar heart]

density of gay man?

[tardy rain]

There are better places for that

[pulsar heart]

Im open to ideas

[tardy rain]

Dublin

[pulsar heart]

Dublin is an option

I was thinking London too, but visa and wtv

[tardy rain]

Eh, london has the same bad qualities paris does tho

Nasty and dirty and smells of piss

[pulsar heart]

Im rulling out most nordic countries tho

[pulsar heart]

just like my home town lmao

[pulsar heart]

was thinking denmark, but oof, I dont want a repeat of the netherlands

[tardy rain]

What happened in the netherlands

They're supposed to be pretty gay friendly

[pulsar heart]

I need a drink just reading that question

[tardy rain]

Lmao

The best club night of my life was in Paradiso actually

Ever been?

In Amsterdam

[pulsar heart]

I was living in shared accommodations right, and the landlord entered in a contract with some mental health institution

resulting in some truly troubled individual being placed with us

dude had a history of incarceration, was prone to screaming, crying, and laughing at 2am, required calls to emergency services

and eventually became aggressive towards me

[tardy rain]

Lmao wtf

[pulsar heart]

yeppers

[tardy rain]

Did you jump his ass with the rest of the tenants?

[pulsar heart]

the housemate that was w me escaped early

me, like the naive dumbass that i am, tried to adapt

hence y I got agroed

[tardy rain]

Unfortunate

[pulsar heart]

oh sweet summer child

if that were the only bad thing this country had to offer

im leaving to somewhere sane

[tardy rain]

Copenhagen was great when we visited

[pulsar heart]

I will check it out, generalizing the netherlands to all germanic countries probly not fair lol

but ya, NL = america lite

[tardy rain]

We checked out a couple castles, they have so many

They have two sets basically

[pulsar heart]

castles r cool

[tardy rain]

One to guard against the germans and one to guard against the swedes

Kinda funny

[pulsar heart]

like one type against each country?

thats interesting

[tardy rain]

Theyre the same type but its funny they had to guard against both

To me all 3 look alike tbh

[pulsar heart]

they didnt have to worry about norway as well?

idk much about their history over here actually

like I know what the portuguese were up to

[tardy rain]

Possibly, probably not in copenhagen

Sweden is right next door and germany just south

Im pretty sure you can see Malmo from Copenhagen

[pulsar heart]

i gotta visit

zurich also sounds nice

but I might be priced out of those rents without a steady job

[viral bluff]

indeed

[tardy rain]

Zurich might be the only other european city thats more expensive than london

Or maybe not, im vibing it rn

[willow narwhal]

London is (fittingly) number 10 https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/region_rankings_current.jsp?region=150

[tardy rain]

That is actually insane

[willow narwhal]

Also that list is missing tons of cities

There's no way Kharkiv, Ukraine has a higher cost of living than the place I live in

[tardy rain]

Guildford second priciest uk city?

LMAO

[willow narwhal]

Another site I found lists London at #1. Both without proper sources..

[pulsar heart]

not that crazy cuz the first 6 are all in switzerland

didnt kno iceland was expensive, guess it makes sense, being part of denmark

[tardy rain]

Iceland is kind of out there

They gotta import everything, they have a small economy

Food is really expensive

And probably not good beyond the salmon

But 6 swiss cities?

How many cities does switzerland even have

[pulsar heart]

6 probably

[tardy rain]

So greedy of them

[harsh tundra]

You're confusing Iceland and Greenland.
Trump recently also said Iceland when talking about his annexation of Greenland 💀

[minor ferry]

Iceland is a nation of deceivers

It serves them right.

maybe if there was really ice there.

you could start cool some server for cheap there.

as long as you mind the condensation

[minor ferry]

TO THIS DAY THEIR DECEPTION STILL WORKS

[harsh tundra]

I mean, Trump is Trump... But idk what Lisan's excuse is, I always thought European countries are quite good at teaching geography...

[minor ferry]

There is no excuse merely deception.

[minor ferry]

Do people actually teach Geography?

I played a rise of the nations spin off so I know a little bit about geography from video games.

I've never actually heard of anyone going out of their way to study geography.

[harsh tundra]

What do you mean?
I had to learn all European countries and their capitals. As in their locations to mark them on the map.
For other continents, just countries.

[harsh tundra]

Ever heard of school?

[minor ferry]

oooo,

you just had to know the name of their capitals.

of american states

that's all they asked

[harsh tundra]

I literally said "as in their locations to mark them on the map"

Ah, you meant in your case

[minor ferry]

camelcase

[harsh tundra]

I didn't realise you're American. Because I literally said European countries are good at teaching geography

[young shoal]

good at European geography, presumably

[minor ferry]

is green land and iceland considered part of europe?

ice yes, green Technically

[tardy rain]

The excuse is all the -lands we have around

As if its not perfectly self evident theyre on land

[minor ferry]

many lands

and man stans

[tardy rain]

None of these people have gills

[minor ferry]

greenland

iceland

PORTLAND

[tardy rain]

Both my avocados are bruised motherfuckers

My afternoon snack is ruined

[turbid heron]

Global interpretor locks

[turbid heron]

U don't eat a proper meal in the afternoon 😭

[tardy rain]

Why not

Its a snack

Its only like 7, im not gonna eat dinner rn

[pulsar heart]

I did lmfao

tbf I did have some amount of beer

[minor ferry]

ANOTHER soul fELL FOR one of the world longest Deceptions.

[tardy rain]

Did you know there's a spot in ICELAND

Where you can touch two (2) tectonic plates at the same time

[low chasm]

!?!?!?!?

mind. blown.

[tardy rain]

Gotta dive about 20ft tho

In cold ass waters

[low chasm]

casual height

that's actually my vertical

[stark prawn]

I thought it was a supermarket

[tardy rain]

Is the supermarket called that because they also confused iceland with greenland?

[low chasm]

id like to visit iceland but ive heard they've got these like swarms of biting bugs that fly around and bite people

[willow narwhal]

Have only seen a single mosquito in iceland

generally pretty free of annoying insects

[willow narwhal]

Also that doesn't really make any sense, it being "a spot 20ft deep".

Iceland lies on the border between two tectonic plates, so there's a line running through the entire country where you can have one foot on one and one on the other plate.

[tardy rain]

But thats cheating

[willow narwhal]

Here (approximately) is one of those places (Þingvellir)

[tardy rain]

Its a rift between the two plates

Its not the same walking on ground as it is diving between two plates

Also you cant really see them separately above the water

Theyre a jumbled mess of rock and mud

[wooden silo]

Tectonic Plate sounds like a cool name for a fantasy armor set

[stark prawn]

The legendary fine china

[minor ferry]

many countries do

[vague skiff]

Hey guys

[jovial oriole]

Every continent has these except antarctica

[junior hearth]

as an antartica citizen i cannot confirm

[ancient summit]

insane

...

[gritty zinc]

nice writing

[vague skiff]

Continuing our convo yesterday. There should be a prohibition on simping

[thick ore]

it's from https://www.boringcactus.com/2025/04/13/2025-survey-of-rust-gui-libraries.html

tldr:
slint if you like qt
egui if you like imgui
iced if you like elm

[thick ore]

no context here, why?

[vague skiff]

Nothing

[thick ore]

does "prohibition" mean law-enforced

[vague skiff]

I will talk about that next time

[vague skiff]

Yeah, for example, if a girl is obsessed with Jungkook, she should be thrown to an insane asylu

I will continue talking about this next time

[thick ore]

👀

okay

[gritty zinc]

writing a manifesto two discord messages at a time

[wooden silo]

And whenever you show too much enthusiasm for any other person, you're immediately labeled a simp, so it'll push society towards a general attitude of detachment and isolation from others.

It'll be like the movie Equilibrium I guess

[rough sapphire]

you are a zoomer dementati?

[wooden silo]

No, I'm a millennial

[rough sapphire]

late millenial?

[wooden silo]

mid millennial

according to wikipedia it's 81-96, and I'm 88

[rough sapphire]

damn 88

you are worried about being a simp?

[wooden silo]

No

Why?

[rough sapphire]

"whenever you show too much enthusiasm for any other person, you're immediately labeled a simp"

[gritty zinc]

it's well-known that the only reason someone might care about dog welfare is if they're secretly a dog

[rough sapphire]

the simp concept is not at the same level of a dog

@gritty zinc you are a zoomer?

[harsh tundra]

Considering some people think furries are zoophiles, it seems they're applying that simp argument to people liking animals 💀

[pulsar heart]

airbnb refunded me the entire stay out of nowhere ,_,

GOOD

im tired

[turbid oyster]

there is a minority, again, **minority

i have furry friends

most of them are hella rich

the poorest one owns a decked out ps5

[wooden silo]

I was commenting somewhat sarcastically about @vague skiff's suggested simping prohibition

[rough sapphire]

✅

[harsh tundra]

I said "some people", idk why you're feeling attacked? When I literally have a furry pfp? I was just commenting about the simping comment

[turbid oyster]

wasnt feeling attacked, just stating

[turbid oyster]

parasocialism

[harsh tundra]

Again, context:

And whenever you show too much enthusiasm for any other person, you're immediately labeled a simp, (...)

it's well-known that the only reason someone might care about dog welfare is if they're secretly a dog

Considering some people think furries are zoophiles, it seems they're applying that simp argument to people liking animals 💀

[turbid oyster]

ah, my bad then

i just read up

[minor ferry]

people liking animals

peta

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

[wraith flower]

peta does not like animals

[minor ferry]

can animals consent to human ethics

the basis of peta is yes

[harsh tundra]

Peta literally will kill the animals they "rescue"

[minor ferry]

most of humanity has said no

[harsh tundra]

That's not related to consent or ethics, that's literally against their "values"

[minor ferry]

There values are a Universal, Demand on to accept Their script code of ethics towards animals

[tardy rain]

What do these words mean

[minor ferry]

you know what debatable.

[tardy rain]

What does it mean for an animal to consent to human ethics

[minor ferry]

I actually do not want to play devil's advocate for peta, But basically their argument is animal Husbandry is unethical, when Universally applied, can A farmer treat a farm animal with the same ethical concerns he treats other human beings with?

[tardy rain]

Is that their argument?

Do they treat animals as they do fellow humans?

I dont think we execute convicts because our prisons are full

[wraith flower]

Their mission statement on their about page certainly does not say that

[minor ferry]

Most people don't put theRE most controversial idea's Pratical applications on there marketing pages

[wraith flower]

I think old age homes is a closer comparison than convicts

[tardy rain]

Its a charitable organisation supposedly

One would think they wouldnt need marketing

[tardy rain]

What about orphans

[wraith flower]

Ah yea, even better

[tardy rain]

Yea we dont shoot orphans in the streets

Not yet anyway

[wraith flower]

Unfortunately, that is currently happening in some countries :/

[tardy rain]

Oh

Well ethical conundrum solved then?

[minor ferry]

No,
and Most people think that is a good thing

[wraith flower]

Most people do not think that the way peta treats animals is a good thing

[minor ferry]

I was talking about how most people agree with how farmers do, Practically those midsize or small farms

[minor ferry]

one would be wrong IF the marketing ends, and Money literally stops flowing in.it how they made the money in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SiylvmFI_8
i think every charity a decade or two ago used this song in every tv add

[tardy rain]

Must be doing something wrong then

[minor ferry]

it's a funny conundrum how do you know a charity exists without being marketed to someone else in the first place

you just start a charity and tell no one

it's might be A good charity morally, and ever Received a single cent from outside the owners pocket it might might make a real difference

[tardy rain]

I know many charities who didnt have to resort to lame publicity stunts to get donations

[gritty zinc]

of course a charity needs marketing. they need to get the money somehow, after all

[minor ferry]

There are different Degree's to it.

hello Confused Reptile

[gritty zinc]

a charity doesn't need to do terrible scandal marketing, though, sure

[minor ferry]

sure

[tardy rain]

I dont like the word marketing

That implies theres a market for these things

[minor ferry]

?

[tardy rain]

Its a social cause, theyre not selling a product or a service

[minor ferry]

isn't the service and product, Altruistic good towards their stated goal?

[tardy rain]

Maybe we should use separate words for them

A charity providing housing services to the homeless isnt exactly on the same tier as JLL

Even though technically theyre both providing a service

One advertises for donations, the other to consumers

[minor ferry]

I think it people do not like Removing the Moral Implications, and allowing the definition to change within topics

That is something I am going to spend a long time researching

[gritty zinc]

i think with a cynical enough outlook it's just true. a charity marketing itself is trying to convince people that it's the best way to convert money into "being known as a virtuous person who donates to charity". You could imagine this sort of marketing not being necessary - imagine a person who just intrinsically is altruistic without any selfish motivations - but I think practice shows that these people are very few, and many of them already run charities rather than donating to them.

[minor ferry]

you can use different words for it, but you are using the same ideas

your paying for good to happen

[tardy rain]

I dont think peta does any good tho

[harsh tundra]

PSA. Public service announcement. For actual charities, they get a different intro and are played before ads in tv/radio

[minor ferry]

I expect some cancer research if I've donated to cancer research charity

[minor ferry]

prob not

[tardy rain]

And if they need extra aggressive marketing and PR thats not convincing me at all

[minor ferry]

at not pass a certain decade.

[tardy rain]

Good causes probably shouldn't be hard sells

[minor ferry]

they probably did some good prior to the 2010s

Emphasis on probably

[gritty zinc]

I agree for PETA's case, but also, consider: if you were running a charity for a cause you were interested in, wouldn't you want to do as much PR as feasible, to further your cause?

[tardy rain]

It depends? I dont think Cancer Research UK needs people strapping themselves to things and being general nuisances to convince people theyre a good cause

[harsh tundra]

Poland is currently entering into charity marketing because tax season is coming.
In Poland there's a portion of the taxes (in the past 1%, but it became 1.5% like 2? years ago) that goes to charity you pick. Or to gov if you don't pick any. Sooo charities/people benefiting from charities (a lot of charities are for support for sick people, they use general charity code + a note to identify the individual person who gets support) will share their info

[minor ferry]

WAIT s econd

[tardy rain]

Marketing costs money too
Their thing is animal charity work
They were revealed to be killing animals they cant house because they dont have the money
These two points feel contradictory

[minor ferry]

because it is

[tardy rain]

Anyway, peta is way more into the corporate type of marketing than i would like my charities to be

[gritty zinc]

huh, interesting. looks like it's only legally recognized in a few countries.
...in the US it's governed by an "Ad Council", the wikipedia page of which contains the phrase Historians have criticized the Ad Council as, "little more than a domestic propaganda arm of the federal government."[12][13]. wild

[minor ferry]

I think they just aren't honest about their end goal.

but that Just one way to look at it

[harsh tundra]

Polish has several legal types for charities/foundations, the thing for the tax return thing is also a different, additional status

Wikipedia says they have a right to inform about their actions in public radio/TV for free.

You can also donate to them directly and write it off in your tax form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_organization#Poland

To receive such status, an organization has to be a non-governmental organization, with political parties and trade unions not qualifying. The organization must also be involved in specific activities related to the public good as described by the law, and it should demonstrate sufficient transparency in its activities, governance, and finances.

[minor ferry]

I heard from someone, Although it was romania not poland

if don't do things like that, that becomes more suspicious THEN people who do and that invites, An audit

[harsh tundra]

It also has to do the public charity stuff for continuous 2+ years to even try to qualify

[foggy mountain]

hey nicky how are you doing, how is everything doing

[harsh tundra]

Have we ever interacted beyond #python-discussion message ?
Because search only shows that as my message mentioning you, and your message from that time + this message as you mentioning me. Ever.

[turbid oyster]

this is a whole new breed of research

[jovial oriole]

🔒 Message Hidden
-# Discord now requires age verification in order to see certain messages.

[fringe rain]

from what i extrapolate, it's only going to be for nsfw channels 🤷‍♂️

people are making more drama out of it than necessary imo, they probably wouldnt like any other solution either. like if maybe parents should monitor their children's discord or just not allow them to use it

[raw depot]

people aren't making a big enough deal of it.

A private chat company has no business needing government ID, and that AI age guessing is permissible in any circumstance is bonkers

there will be a massive breach related to this

[fringe rain]

i mean a breach would only mean anything if the IDs are being stored, they said it would be deleted immediately ||haha yes of course discord is lying why wouldnt they 🙄||

anyways, this system would have certainly kept 13 year old me out of nsfw channels. but tbh i dont think 13 year me should've been allowed to use discord, the bigger danger is the adults who would lure me into their DMs. only public servers should be accessible imo but probably getting into controversial territory

[paper sequoia]

And considering there alrd was one

[timid latch]

yeah the real problem with any such age based stuff is that people mature at different rates.
I know many kids who should not be online, but I also know many people who at that same age knew well how to behave online

[paper sequoia]

Let's just, you know, ask for some more IDs, thx

[tardy rain]

Next up discord asks for butt imprint

[timid latch]

but yeah its much harder to check "is this person well behaved and sane" than "are they older than ..."

[tardy rain]

Its not about behaviour

Its about covering their asses legally

[timid latch]

and why is it we legally require extra protections for kids? because they dont know how to behave

[young shoal]

no, it's because there are predators

[timid latch]

so predators cant join non-nsfw channels?

[young shoal]

of course not, they're not safe for work

[stark prawn]

It's because people are complaining

[tardy rain]

Why is a different question entirely

Im not sold on "save the kids"

In fact, my dear personal friend Michael Jordan once said something truly inspiring i think

[stark prawn]

They've got into some shit in the US where the house wanted to question them and such

[tardy rain]

He didnt exactly say it with his words but more his attitude towards life

[stark prawn]

Phrasing

[green pelican]

They've already had ~70k IDs breached

From actual tickets for age verif

[harsh tundra]

Why? It's a simple search from: and mentions:, very useful when a lot of people change their names...

[raw depot]

You don't have to lie, you just have to not invest more than the bare minimum in privacy and security.

Which has what happened and failed them.

They don't care past a token level, and have zero liability when there's a leak

or they're entirely contracting out the process, in which case that contractor again doesn't care past the point of liability mitigation

If you don't care about those leaks, that's fine, but take that honest position instead of pretending

[jovial oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/epstein-jeffrey-epstein-j-jeffrey-sigma-gif-405083941180536765

What is ts diddy blud doing

[shell socket]

What is this channel about 😭

[minor ferry]

13 year old me would 100 percent been allowed to use discord.

[tardy rain]

Dang

I could never experience being 13 on discord

I was 19 when it released

[uneven pine]

18 here

[shell socket]

Are we all telling our ages here 😭

I think I'm too old for this app

[uneven pine]

No

I was 18 when discord came out.

[minor ferry]

aAUN

[uneven pine]

Child

Cease

[young shoal]

I was on discord quite early

[shell socket]

How many friends do you have?

I don't even have more than 2 servers lol both were random search keywords that came to my mind

[open cliff]

all this shenanigans over age protection. imo, this territory befalls on the parents/guardians of said "children".

why self insert into these situations; why go as far as requiring a government issued ID, for such trivial stuff.
this is without even accounting for all the security loopholes in such transactions...

in my opinion, there are already much better and more secure solutions- children level accounts¹, net guard², and heck even basic monitoring and parenting.

¹similar to many other popular companies. e.g. Netflix, Google, even phone profiles, etc.

²or similar programs, which block requests and access to blacklisted domains.

[raw depot]

agreed. we live in an age where in many places it's never been safer for children, and we have lots of actually useful and good parental controls for technology (that just require some time and attention)

at the end of the day, if you just hand your kid a device with internet access, you're gonna have a bad time

you gotta put the work in to teach them and give them guardraisl

just like you wouldn't plop them on a bike and let them wander around wherever they'd like without some training and rules

[tardy rain]

Its never been about the children

[open cliff]

I mean if this becomes a common practice; it might come down as espionage or as a matter of national security, having all these IDs flying around- for all countries involved...

[open cliff]

Indeed unfortunately...

[uneven pine]

Yeah it's about number

Number go up

Bank account more dollars

and give everyone on the Epstein list 3D scans of children that "definitely don't ever leave your device :)"

Mark my fucking words

[wraith flower]

https://tenor.com/view/regina-spektor-the-sound-of-capitalism-capitalism-communism-russian-capitalism-gif-19153302

[open cliff]

I heard that this is to potentially win over shareholders, since Discord is said to be going public.

though at this point, any half-baked motive may sound reasonable to account for this stupidity (through offical media or otherwise).

[tardy rain]

That would be a very strange move

To kill your product for the investors?

Such is the brilliance of private equity?

[pulsar heart]

when is discord IPO

thats when I will delete all my data and my account

matter of time till all this will be used for LLM training or some nonsense like that

[tardy rain]

You probably wont have to

[weak peak]

yesterday

[tardy rain]

Discord IPO = discord death

[wraith flower]

They filed for IPO about a month ago. So probably happening sometime in the next 2 years

[tardy rain]

Your data is gonna sit on some hard drive somewhere

Forever

[weak peak]

@open cliff

https://tenor.com/view/ohhp-gif-10768192685300754320

[open cliff]

?

[pulsar heart]

i saw it too

as a millennial, there is no hope for me when it comes to data, big tech has literally everything on me

[open cliff]

doesn't matter. it's the least concerning bit. LLM scraping discord... there's nothing new that it'd find here that it couldn't some place else.

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-smile-nod-nodding-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-39125060506973541

[tardy rain]

Yall are forgetting something

Nothing ever happens

Theyre gonna walk it back if they havent already

[minor ferry]

it about the money.

[wraith flower]

They walk it back publicly, then try to sneak it in later on when outrage dies

[minor ferry]

actually you know what

its about making a visible problem

an invisible problem

[lament cairn]

it's like

there's nowhere else to go

so discord has no need to walk back

[uneven pine]

It already is. It's in their ToS

Everything you send even messages you type but don't send.

[lament cairn]

and the writing's on the wall already - many countries are either discussing or implementing laws that require id verification for social media

[tardy rain]

Neat

So that means i can pollute their dataset without getting banned

You have no idea the type of slurs im typing up in the chatbox hahaha

[carmine apex]

everything you've ever done counts as polluting their dataset, mar

[tardy rain]

Yes im proactive like that

[open cliff]

jk jk

[carmine apex]

rando quit deleting yer comments

[tardy rain]

Its too late, gpt has them

[lament cairn]

it's either keep up with every country's legislation or put everyone under the same rules

lawyers are expensive, so is losing users that no longer trust you

[open cliff]

🙃

[carmine apex]

hah
delete that

[open cliff]

wasn't going to ;-;

[carmine apex]

and i have the bigger one copied

[minor ferry]

the future is in privately owned companies that stick their own nations laws and not international stablity

we are going to have an anime country but with communication software.

[carmine apex]

ya know what
just for that

originally from randomname, who is annoying deleting their own messages:

should've lived your life in the shadows.

like me :3
no socials for me (except discord, Skype, and 1 more)
heck, I even keep LinkedIn in delay of about 2-3 years of my actual doings.

using only trusted sources (programs, OS, games, etc).
physical switches to disconnect unnecessary peripherals.
connection via my own proxy to router, gate-keeping ALL unapproved packets/requests.

there are more practices I've picked up along the years. but these are generally with the most impact on my lifestyle...

-# This comment will NOT delete itself in 40s

[open cliff]

[lament cairn]

say discord does that and ignores UK and AU. that's a lot of users gone! a lot of potential nitro buyers!

that's also a losing situation

[pulsar heart]

keeping my drafts is kinda creepy ngl

[grave cove]

mr tuff guy

[carmine apex]

also why would you have skype

gross

[lament cairn]

yeah wtf

last time I used skype it was full of RCE vulns

[carmine apex]

2010ish maybe

[lament cairn]

so uh not exactly trustworthy

[pulsar heart]

none of them are

[open cliff]

bruh, it's already gone. they've deleted their services.

[lament cairn]

yknow what

[wraith flower]

Only way to make sure your data isn't being harvested is to self host at this point

[lament cairn]

we should go back to msn

(via escargot)

[carmine apex]

no

[pulsar heart]

msn was peak, kidz these days dont kno whats good

[open cliff]

btw, I didn't know you live in such solitude. what a nice carefree life, away from all the drama, the distractions, and brainrot posts

[pulsar heart]

this mightve been an older version tho

[carmine apex]

nahhhhhh
xp is basically current version

[pulsar heart]

XP was my first OS

[carmine apex]

how fortunate

[pulsar heart]

everything windows after it sucked

[open cliff]

oh you edited your comment >.<
nice trolling 👍

I approb

[carmine apex]

earlier windows OSs - 95 and 95 iirc - had a feature where if you presed ctrl-alt-delete three times in fairly quick succession, the computer restarted

was kinda dum

[pulsar heart]

never used such, I used windows 3 in college to get a supa old spectrometer to work

[tardy rain]

Now you can press ctrl alt shift windows L for funs

[carmine apex]

ah fug that works on 10

[pulsar heart]

i read msft is big on backwards compat.

[harsh tundra]

I'm finally cleaning my phone.
Got rid of (after backing up) 9GB of photos already

[tardy rain]

Nice

I bought a 4tb hdd to back up and clear the gfs phone too

But she's refusing to delete them from the phone

[young shoal]

seems a bit overkill

[tardy rain]

Yes it's for other files too, the photos were just an excuse

[harsh tundra]

We have raid setup for media. I'll sort through my photos and put them there... Eventually. Maybe

[harsh tundra]

Cleaned 19GB. 4.8k photos
And then 3GB more with 65 videos.

Oh, and found separate album that I already had long backuped. Another almost 2GB

I think that's enough for now.
Next time I gotta clean Firefox I never cleaned, lol.

[turbid oyster]

I was 5 😭

[turbid oyster]

same but I was a literal toddler

[young shoal]

damn

[open cliff]

[turbid oyster]

this screams xiaomi

[foggy mountain]

yeah in 2023

[harsh tundra]

I asked if we interacted beyond that. I literally linked this interaction

[uneven pine]

This dude is weird

[shell socket]

Do y'all have these off?

Why do I need to personalize my experience 😭

Or how is my data useful to improve it?

[uneven pine]

I have it off

[vague skiff]

Here is a 3D render of my 3 OCs

[solemn tulip]

The lighting is quite...yellow

[vague skiff]

I like warm lighting

[solemn tulip]

It's kind of at the point where you lose colors like the sky

Quick and dirty adjustments

[vague skiff]

I based it off Huntrix

From left to right: Aquila, Oddie, Cherie

[deep coral]

hi

[grave cove]

L scam

<@&831776746206265384>

posted in all 3 OTs

[shell socket]

Oh it was u thanks

[bright hawk]

hi

[pastel folio]

hi

[upper flower]

lowk les go

my team won the sports gala of this year

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-absolute-cinema-peak-cinema-salmon-jjk-gif-6981231960394212546

[pulsar heart]

omg can the dollar pls stop crashing

[lament cairn]

can the dollar keep crashing :)))))))

[strange blade]

It can

[pulsar heart]

and it will 😭

i was literally bullied for my "buy european" investment thesis in late 2025

get to early 2026 and we have a "sell america" trend lmao

this is why Im stubborn and dont listen to anyone

SP500 ETF denominated in EUR is 0% YTD

[tardy rain]

Nothing ever happens, calm down

Idk about you but the us part of my portfolio is up 10% lifetime

[upper flower]

it is

[tardy rain]

Other parts are up 20% but we dont talk about that

[lament cairn]

yea i dont do trading shit i just care about how expensive buying stuff abroad is

[solemn tulip]

what about in CHF?

[wraith flower]

We're in a modern capitalist world. You won't get those savings, the stores you buy from will

[tardy rain]

But muh profits and compounding

[solemn tulip]

negative ytd

[pulsar heart]

lifetime ?

[tardy rain]

During the lifetime of my account

[pulsar heart]

how long is that

last year US performed very badly for foreign investors

[young shoal]

unfortunately european stocks are quite correlated to american stocks

[pulsar heart]

on intradays maybe

stoxx600 is 5% YTD

16% year on year

eur denominated SP500 is like 1% year on year

money has been flowing out of the US since trumps tariffs

an all world ex-US, clearly going parabolic towards early 2026

its the msci one tho

[tardy rain]

Uh, maybe 3 years

Hm maybe not, lets say 2 years then

[pulsar heart]

ya believable then

im big on metals, i just keep an eye on institutional targets, sell whenever over-leveraged hedge funds pump the price above the targets, then buy when it inevitably crashes

[tardy rain]

I dont touch anything lol

I just dump in indexes and hodl

[pulsar heart]

thats a good strat, I personally buy and hold stocks, commodities, and regional indexes, cuz I know what I'm doing

[sonic jolt]

ah yes

the investment strat

[pulsar heart]

im gonna cry about your sarcasm over here by my market outperformance

[wraith flower]

Time in the market beats timing the market

Is the strategy I follow

[sonic jolt]

I do both

[pulsar heart]

hands off strat is good if you're not informed, it takes work to be informed

[sonic jolt]

I use the paranoia strat

I'm still surprised that I'm 6 years deep in my index fund

[sonic jolt]

it does
i watch the stock market news, mainly the summary of previous day for at lest ½hr everyday

[wraith flower]

idk, I seem to be doing pretty well for someone "uninformed"
This is my past 2 years performance. Split 25% into S&P500, 25% into a broad local index fund, 50% into specific local companies. Companies are chosen based on just general news, not diving into their financials

I put a certain amount of money towards them in the above mentioned split once a month. I rethink which local companies I invest that money into every 3-4 months

[pulsar heart]

thats not really a time in the market type strat, that's clearly active investment

[wraith flower]

It is a time in the market strat. I don't rebalance or take money out of my portfolio at all

[pulsar heart]

so what do u mean by rethinking which local companies u invest to?

you add more companies every 3 to 4 months?

percentages are also deceiving for comparison purposes, which currency are we talking

[wraith flower]

I have 50% of my monthly investment going into specific companies. Normally split between 3-4 companies. Every 3-4 months, I re-evaluate those companies. I don't take out any money already invested in them, I maybe just shift which ones I am actively putting money into. I only have shares in 8 companies total.
Yes, I guess technically not following any news, I could split that 50% across those 8 each time to truely be "time in market". But if price of gold is going down, I'm not going to keep investing into the gold mining company until price of gold stabilizes. But I'm also not going to pull out what I've already invested into them

[pulsar heart]

nah this is active af cmon

[wraith flower]

It's still time in the market

[pulsar heart]

sure

[wraith flower]

I'm not actively buying and selling

[pulsar heart]

I'd say you are timing the market when you re-evaluate

[wraith flower]

My % gain would not be significantly different if I did split evenly into those 8 companies each time

[pulsar heart]

you are giving your opinion to the market, you are diverging from the theoretical ideal portfolio that a broad index fund represents

like y would u change which companies to invest in, if you didnt believe it was a good time to buy the new ones u chose

[wraith flower]

50% of my funds go to broad index funds.
50% of my funds are slightly "timing" the market between 8 companies, by choosing 3-4 to invest into at a time.
I don't sell.
I'd say that leans significantly more towards time in the market vs timing the market

[pulsar heart]

not selling is odd, arent you gonna end up with hundreds of companies ?

or I did not understand yet

[wraith flower]

Not selling isn't odd. As I said, I want to stay in the market.
And I'm not really broadening outside of the current 8 I've invested into. I'm not doing any market research trying to find other companies I think I should invest into

[pulsar heart]

ah okay I got it now

ya sure ig

[wraith flower]

I'm still dollar cost averaging, just not montly into every company, but more like quarterly into the companies

[pulsar heart]

being uninformed is not a bad thing, it just means it would be wise to follow the markets lead and invest in a broad index

[wraith flower]

I have basically the same invested into all 8 companies over the past 2 years

As I said, 50% does go into broad index funds.

[pulsar heart]

ya im just clarifying that I wasnt throwing shade or anything lol

I see the market as an information processing machine made of ppl

it rewards ppl who give it correct information, and punishes those who do the opposite

an all world represents the markets opinion about the future, if u wanna disagree with it u best have a good reason or u might get penalized financially

[wraith flower]

I'm young enough to be more risky with 50% of my investments. As I get older I'll obviously move individual investments to more index funds, and then index funds to bonds/cash

[pulsar heart]

reasonable

[wraith flower]

So... I guess I will sell at some point, lol. But it won't be trying to time markets, just to make my portfolio less risky

[pulsar heart]

every 3 months I re-evaluate my thesis and rebalance my portfolio accordingly, I stay on the lookout for invalidations, not much else

at best I do swing trades in the timescale of weeks to months

[uneven pine]

<@&831776746206265384> scam, seen this exact message in another server earlier

[solid elbow]

!pban 1466878087819034800 scam

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @acoustic mirage permanently.

[wraith flower]

Now... for what I'm actually doing, since we don't live in an ideal world. I'm actually selling off my whole portfolio since I'm emigrating, and I'll have to re-invest it anyway. Probably won't invest into S&P500 again, not because of market related reasons, but because I want to actrively pivot away from American companies

Need to use some of the rest to cover the expenses of emigrating. So I'll have to see how much is left and figure out how to re-invest afterwards

[pulsar heart]

europe stocks r still undervalued as far as I kno

gold targets also keep going up

[wraith flower]

I think with europe trying to pivot away from american tech, its tech market might do well

[pulsar heart]

r u coming to the netherlands ?

[wraith flower]

Yea

visa approved. Just sitting and waiting for the embassy to speed up and let me know the sticker is ready and I can collect my passport

Expecting to fly over first week in March probably

[pulsar heart]

the current supercycle is military, look at RHM targets, the stock is cyclical so u can always get good entries

[pulsar heart]

lmao welcome to america lite

choose stad holland or DSW for your insurqnce, makes your GPs job easier

[wraith flower]

Comparing Netherlands to America lite is... certainly one of the more extreme opinions I've seen of the country xD

[pulsar heart]

lol? have u been here?

[wraith flower]

6 trips, total time spent in the country across those 6 trips is 8-9 months

[pulsar heart]

well, I hope u have a good time when u get here

ping me if u get any trouble and need help

[wraith flower]

My partner is Dutch. I'll be moving in with them, so I should be set. Thanks for the offer though

[pulsar heart]

that's reassuring, just keep in mind that even dutch ppl are not aware of a lot of bad stuff that happens here

[wraith flower]

I follow the news. I still think calling it America lite is extreme. And the bad stuff happening in NL barely compares to the bad stuff happening in South Africa already. (My city has large areas that has been without water for 20+ days for example). I'll survive :p

[pulsar heart]

lmao good point

its not extreme calling it america lite

[wraith flower]

Like... the only stuff worse that I can think of is the weather sucks, and the red meat sucks compared to South Africa

[pulsar heart]

if u actually read how their institutions and systems work u start to see it

[wraith flower]

That's also the two things other South Africans in the Netherlands have mentioned to me

[pulsar heart]

weather not that bad, im vegan so meat no problem

[stark prawn]

Well we can't exactly hunt kudu in our backyard

[pulsar heart]

global warming is also making the place hoter anyway

[wraith flower]

I think the bigger issue is that meat is one of your main exports. All the good meat goes to your neighbours :p

[pulsar heart]

did snow this winter, was nice

[wraith flower]

It really depends on what weather you like. I like sunshine. I like 26-30 degree weather. Our winters in South Africa don't really drop below 10

So for me... it's gonna suck until I adjust xD

[pulsar heart]

the only thing to be careful about imo is the sunlight during peak winter

[wraith flower]

I also don't like cold

[stark prawn]

The last month sucked even for the ajusted

[pulsar heart]

very easy to underestimate how much that affects you

[wraith flower]

Yea, I'll be taking vitamin D tablets. I think I can safely assume that I'll have a defficiency

Will see if I need to get a sunlamp or not. Hopefully the tablets is enough

[pulsar heart]

I have those smart light bulbs

[wraith flower]

I do hike a lot though, so maybe that gets me enough sun over weekends? Who knows

[pulsar heart]

i use them to mimic the portuguese daylight, works super well

also vitamin D ya

[green pelican]

Just be careful, vit D overdose isn't fun

[stark prawn]

Even on cloudy days you get a lot of sunlight outside

[wraith flower]

I'll be taking suggested amounts, not downing a whole bottle xD

[uneven pine]

Yeah clouds don't really block UV.

[wraith flower]

I'm nice and pale. My skin absorbs a lot of vitamin D

[pulsar heart]

depends on the person, but I wouldnt risk it

winter peak sunlight goes from like 10 to 16 or something stupid like that

[wraith flower]

I'm aware. I've been there in the middle of Winter. It sucks xD

[pulsar heart]

ah ok, nice lol

[wraith flower]

I've been there in the winter more than in the summer just because of how life and work has worked out

[pulsar heart]

youre way more prepped than I was ngl, u gonna be alright

[pulsar heart]

also, guess who invented capitalism lmao

[wraith flower]

Yea. Main thing is just finding a job. Only been hunting for about 2 weeks, but it's going decently well I'd say

[pulsar heart]

well, more nuanced than that I think, but u get what I mean

[pulsar heart]

gosh I have no idea how the job market is rn. I might never interview again since im going for startup founding

you interviewing in amsterdam ?

[wraith flower]

I'm not applying very quickly, since I'm also focussing a lot of time into learning Dutch and working on .NET projects to make myself more attractive to some of the jobs there, but current stats is:
4 jobs applied to,

• 1 actively interviewing (waiting on assesment to be reviewed and then 2nd interview)
• 1 rejected
• 2 waiting on response
  9 recruiters reached out to me via linkedin/Indeed
• 3 interviews with recruiter
• 1 of those led to interview with company, next week, other 2 still waiting on response
• 2 rejected before an interview
• 4 ghosted

[wraith flower]

Utrecht

And surrounding areas

[stark prawn]

Utrecht and surrounding areas is pretty much the entire country

[pulsar heart]

you'll end up in amsterdam

[wraith flower]

Ok, Utrecht, Hilversum, Amersfoort

[pulsar heart]

u gotta check the 30 rulling nonsense too

[wraith flower]

Amsterdam is a bit far by public transport

[wraith flower]

Yea, I should still qualify on a partner visa. Would just need to make sure I earn high enough salary. Most of the vacancies fall just below it for lower range. So I'd just have to negotiate for high enough to get it covered

But, at the lower end, it's a difference of like 50 euros on my monthly paycheck. It won't be much xD

Would also have to get a job within 4 months. Otherwise I don't qualify anymore

[pulsar heart]

arent u a software engineer

[wraith flower]

Yes

[pulsar heart]

u can get good salary

[stark prawn]

Don't expect us numbers

[wraith flower]

For the big companies in Amsterdam yes. Most companies I've seen in Utrecht post ranges of 3900-4400 for the medior roles I'm applying for

Need 4101 minimum to qualify for 30% ruling

[tardy rain]

4400€ for mid level devs?

Kinda low no?

[pulsar heart]

I actually think they should abolish the 30 ruling, just distorts the market rates, and its not like the money comes out of nowhere, it hits your unemployment benefits for example

[tardy rain]

Maybe not, im thinking in £

[pulsar heart]

that doesnt sound mid level to me

[tardy rain]

Low or high

[pulsar heart]

low

[tardy rain]

Tbh i have no idea what kind of salaries different levels are on

[pulsar heart]

I think mid level is like 65 to 75k a year or something like that

but not up to date with the job market

[tardy rain]

Yea i guess i would think so too

Im looking at mid level roles in london and theyre 65k+

But thats gbp

[stark prawn]

Wages here aren't that high compared to some other places

[wraith flower]

My partner is at 7YoE, and involved in hiring in their company. THey told me 3900-4400 is pretty standard for medior

[pulsar heart]

the quality of life and the world class infra more than compensate for it, unless u get stuck in some nonsensical dutch bureaucratic loop, then life sucks lmao

or if u get like a mentally ill psychotic dude in your house without warning, thats also pretty bad

or if u ever need anything GGZ, sometimes u gotta wait a year to see a specialist, very crazy

[stark prawn]

Yeah I had to wait like 6 months before they could see me for the autism diagnoses

At least now that i'm in the system it''s pretty fast

[pulsar heart]

they wanna check it for me, and I was told its 12 months now

its supa low priority for me I dont really care that much if I am on the spectrum or not

[green pelican]

The only diagnosis I need is daily driving gentoo linux

[tardy rain]

Everyone is on the spectrum

Thats the point

[green pelican]

I wish

[tardy rain]

The question is who is the most autistic

[young shoal]

your mom

[green pelican]

Boom

[tardy rain]

Real she was a hoarder math accountant nerd

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[uneven pine]

I'm a top contender

[stark prawn]

If they know they can sign you up for courses that help you deal with it

[pulsar heart]

I dont really see it as a problem, if its there at all

[wraith flower]

My partner has some chronic health conditions. They've very happy with both the healthcare and labour laws in the Netherlands that they have access to

[pulsar heart]

im a weird person for sure

[wraith flower]

They'd be absolutely screwed on both sides on South Africa

[pulsar heart]

physical health is top notch

mental health can be a disgrace

its like two diff countries

[wraith flower]

These chronic issues are related to mental and neurological issues

[tardy rain]

How is your wordle stats health

[pulsar heart]

u can say wtv dude, the architects of this system have admitted that it does not work for mental health

it's a major crisis of epic proportions, that I am not sure if the dutch have realized the magnitude of

[wraith flower]

Sure. Doesn't change the fact that my only indirect experience with the system has been that it's good

[pulsar heart]

I dont really watch news or wtb

but I do my research and have my first hand experience, I kno what im talking about and its a serious issue

[wraith flower]

Consider me a fish in an aquarium. I don't see past my bowl. And everything inside my bowl is good for time time being :p

[stark prawn]

There are a lot of problem among youth that use a lot of social media rn

[wraith flower]

I think current government has floated the idea of also banning social media for kids like Australia did?

Ah, they want to push it at a EU level

[pulsar heart]

i recall it didnt work in australia

[wraith flower]

It's only been 2 months. Probably too early to really see any impact in Australia. I do know it is quite easy to circumvent though

[pulsar heart]

it is no surprise to me that kids that grew up on the internet are able to easily bypass their restrictions

[uneven pine]

It didn't work because it was rushed and poorly implemented

The idea is good

I think that anyone under 18 shouldn't have access to any social aspects of the internet

Not even think

[pulsar heart]

also believable

[uneven pine]

FIRMLY believe

[low chasm]

both of my sisters in shambles 🥀 🥀

[uneven pine]

Yep

Good

Keep em out of bullshit. The internet isn't a safe place for minors and approximately 0 parents actually properly monitor their children

Which those parents should also be charged with child abuse

[low chasm]

i feel like 16 is more reasonable

[uneven pine]

But TNHNT

[pulsar heart]

I grew up on the internet and look how I turn out

[uneven pine]

My point exactly.

[wraith flower]

This is an ad to ban internet

[low chasm]

when i was in high school, all of the clubs i was in used instagram as the main platform for online engagement and annoucements and whatnot

[pulsar heart]

ya'll just hatin cuz u jelly, I love myself

[uneven pine]

Same here

I'm a wreck and I saw way too much shit on the internet as a child

Porn

Gore

Violence

Hate

[pulsar heart]

ok me too

[low chasm]

where do platforms like whatsapp fit in on the whole "social" ban

[pulsar heart]

also creeps tryna talk to u

[stark prawn]

We didn't have rickroll
We had liveleak

[low chasm]

i use whatsapp to talk to my family abroad, but it also kind of has similar implications as to discord.

[uneven pine]

Approved family contacts only

[low chasm]

build that into whatsapp?

[uneven pine]

Parents have to add contacts for you

Yeah.

[low chasm]

i definitely think 16 is more reasonable. i was way more impressionable to a lot of the random stuff i saw on the internet when i was in middle school as opposed to high school

[green pelican]

Idk i wouldn't be working in cybersecurity without the influence of social media as a child

I'm talking I got into security at 13 through Minecraft cheating discord communities

[uneven pine]

18 minimum

[stark prawn]

Discord existing when you were 13 makes you sound so young

[uneven pine]

I'll never budge

[pulsar heart]

id also say that internet had a positive influence on me

but that says more about how bad the place I grew up in was than anything else

[low chasm]

what about messaging apps in general?

[pulsar heart]

what if ur family is insane

[willow narwhal]

We probably have members that are younger than Discord

[low chasm]

i know some people (even in the states) who also primarily use whatsapp as opposed to SMS for talking to their friends.

[wraith flower]

Whatsapp is the standard in South Africa. It's what everyone uses

[stark prawn]

Same in NL

[uneven pine]

You can't really do shit about that until you're 18 anyway. Unless you report them to the police and have a real case for abuse.

[low chasm]

in high school most of my groupchats were spread across iMessage and instagram, nowadays i've got a good chunk of whatsapp groupchats as well