ot1-perplexing-regexing

[glad folio]

You could artificially restrict the version in the .toml tho I suppose but I think the purpose of the .toml is to allow as many python versiosns as possible.

[low chasm]

@round pendant i love 86

granted i haven't finished the second season yet

i've been on like the 8th episode for like months now

[round pendant]

i finished both seasons in 1 night 😭

[round pendant]

the anime authors absolutely cooked the combat scenes in terms of mobility

seeing the crew acrobatically flight across the battle field in aluminum coffins is absolutely amazing

and as corny as it sounds, i resonate a lot with shin's emptiness, lack of purpose, and feeling that im destined to end up alone
the moments where he does show a bit of emotion are very touching thanks to contrast

[jovial oriole]

Alr bro pack it up🥀

Chalant in the big '25🤞💔🥀

Lock in

[paper quest]

Chat, if a developer who implemented a feature for allowing the user to supply "filtering rules" to a table of information uses an illustrative example of filtering out all rows with the value "female" in the column "gender", does this merit a comment regarding the example's "political correctness" during code review?

[warped sentinel]

wat

[wooden silo]

How'd you come up with this question?

[paper quest]

Real scenario in a code review 😛

[wooden silo]

At your work? Or like an OSS project?

[paper quest]

The developer included a screenshot highlighting the feature, using dummy data from an API as a basis, and the field they added a rule for was "gender".

At work.

[wooden silo]

I think if you want to champion political correctness, that's a counterproductive way to do it. Sounds like it could be a tasteless sarcastic joke, though.

[timid latch]

what other columns did the table have?
might just have been the simplest to showcase on

[warped sentinel]

ngl, I would suggest to advocate beyond correctness, which might feel performative. I would advocate for inclusion.
If you have doubts about what it means, it' perfectly fair to reach out to your ERGs or other resources for advice

[runic nymph]

Just submitted a bug for a hacker rank. They had an algorithm problem with incomplete code coverage testing lol. Realized something was wrong when I submitted code that forgot an entire portion of the algorithm, and all unit tests passed

A bit concerning for a platform whose value comes a good bit from having solid unit testing

[wooden silo]

So my 5-year old daughter broke her arm and got a cast put on it, and it's not supposed to get wet, but how am I supposed to prevent her from getting it wet when she's playing outside at preschool all day?

It's literally impossible

[jaunty wraith]

joke answer: put a waterproof cast around the original cast
serious answer: tell her to refrain from playing outside a few days?

[wooden silo]

I gotta send her to preschool so I can work, and they play outside at preschool for a significant part of the day unless the weather is awful

I can't dictate how they organize their days

I told them to try to ensure she wears a rain jacket or something when she's outside and it's wet

But I imagine she'll take it off on her own if she thinks it's too warm

[jaunty wraith]

true

you did the best you can do (given the circumstances)
is the cast sturdy? maybe it doesn't absorb the water that well and the outer layers prevent water from getting inside?

[bleak maple]

I guess it has to "breathe" and that's why you can't just spray conformal coating on it?

[wooden silo]

They told us not to get it wet

[bleak maple]

Because there's a spray for motherboards/PCBs etc that's not toxic that seals them against water

[wooden silo]

Yeah, uh, I'm not gonna mess with it unless I'm told it's fine

[wooden silo]

I think it can deform if it gets too wet

It was a bit wet today but hopefully not too much

They'll examine her arm on thursday so maybe they'll replace it if it's in bad condition then

[runic nymph]

wrap her cast in saran wrap 🔥

Idk how good it will seal but it should be pretty easy to wrap a good portion of it, kinda like lamination. Maybe not a good idea if it can rip off a top small layer, not sure. I am not a doctor and haven't had a cast since my youngn days

My first thought. Should be quite easy to apply. Maybe removal (especially after an hour in the drizzle) could be a huge pain

[wooden silo]

Hm, I guess I'll ask if they think it's a good idea when she goes in for her examination

She's still gonna have the cast for another 3 weeks or so after

[bleak maple]

OK actually this album is sick if you need some driving music https://open.spotify.com/album/5AVtqTyC8BWXrHzHhfbk38?si=IxxpZc2URpWjOWHpLuKaQw

[severe laurel]

we love community college

[pseudo zephyr]

Seems like the professor is trying to figure out a way to get students to stop cheating with AI

[upper flower]

lol

[mossy mango]

bro

I'm finding it really hard and discombobulating to learn the basic navigation around emacs

I don't remember it being this crazy

[vale raven]

What

M-x CTRL AltGR Butterfly isn’t memorable?

[mossy mango]

the shortcuts don't seem to corresponds to what they do and a lot of them are two keys in sequence

[mossy mango]

oh you're being sarcastic? lol

[vale raven]

https://xkcd.com/378/

xkcd: Real Programmers

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

[carmine apex]

which is an actual command, btw

[vale raven]

There always being two always gets me

[mossy mango]

lol i love that

[vale raven]

Wait what

Am in bed

Whats it do?

[mossy mango]

C-x C-c is the only one I remember from last time I did the tutorial

(exit)

maybe I should try neovim instead

all i know of vim is :wq tho

:i for edit maybe?

[carmine apex]

mentioned on https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Amusements.html , deets at
https://cgit.git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/misc.el#n240
tl;dr not much

;;;###autoload
(defun butterfly ()
  "Use butterflies to flip the desired bit on the drive platter.
Open hands and let the delicate wings flap once.  The disturbance
ripples outward, changing the flow of the eddy currents in the
upper atmosphere.  These cause momentary pockets of higher-pressure
air to form, which act as lenses that deflect incoming cosmic rays,
focusing them to strike the drive platter and flip the desired bit.
You can type \\`M-x butterfly C-M-c' to run it.  This is a permuted
variation of `C-x M-c M-butterfly' from url `https://xkcd.com/378/'."
  (interactive)
  (if (yes-or-no-p "Do you really want to unleash the powers of the butterfly? ")
      (progn
        (switch-to-buffer (get-buffer-create "*butterfly*"))
        (erase-buffer)
        (sit-for 0)
        (animate-string "Amazing physics going on..."
                        (/ (window-height) 2) (- (/ (window-width) 2) 12))
        (sit-for (* 5 (/ (abs (random)) (float most-positive-fixnum))))
        (message "Successfully flipped one bit!"))
    (message "Well, then go to xkcd.com!")
    (browse-url "https://xkcd.com/378/")))

[mossy mango]

that actually comes with emacs?

i could try it now maybe

how do i input M-butterfly tho

[vale raven]

Who is Savannah??

[carmine apex]

is joke doggo?

[mossy mango]

that's gnu's git

[carmine apex]

.wiki gnu savannah

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

GNU Savannah
GNU Savannah is a project of the Free Software Foundation initiated by Loïc Dachary, which serves as a collaborative software development management system

GNU nano
(Was: time for a 2.5.4-p on lists.gnu.org (7 May 2016) sr #109076: Request to move nano from gnu to nongnu on savannah.gnu.org by Benno Schulenberg (22 June

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[vale raven]

Sort of
I mean I recognize gnu.org but I really do have no idea who Savanah is
I also don’t know why they need two extra levels of subdomains for their git server

[mossy mango]

and it's a part of the uri path as well

lol

[carmine apex]

savannah is more than just a git system, but as for having cgit and git, shrug moment

[mossy mango]

butterfly.z.com/butterfly

.wiki cgit

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Canadian Girls in Training
Girls in Training, or CGIT, is a church-based program for girls and young women aged 11–17 throughout Canada. Girls who join the CGIT vow to "Cherish Health

Comparison of open-source wireless drivers
Machine "ath9k_htc". debian.org. Retrieved 1 May 2015. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=fb9987d0f748c983bb795a86f47522313f701a08

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[mossy mango]

oh yeah it's the first one i think

[carmine apex]

probably https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Cgit / https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/

[mossy mango]

"hyperfast" ?

I've never seen that word lol

[vale raven]

.wa s define hyperfast

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[mossy mango]

surely it can't be any faster than git itself which I would not call "hyperfast"

[carmine apex]

you have been banned from all rust servers

[vale raven]

Probably because it isn’t a word

[vale raven]

You sent that message too fast

[carmine apex]

cap

[vale raven]

Problems of using a too fast language

[mossy mango]

hypofast

[vale raven]

Use a normal speed language please

Stop going against the grain and causing problems

[mossy mango]

cgit is O(-1)

in case you didn't know

[carmine apex]

let us try something here

.wa s define dog

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

a member of the genus Canis (probably descended from the common wolf) that has been domesticated by man since prehistoric times; occurs in many breeds

[carmine apex]

ffs

[vale raven]

[carmine apex]

shen plz stop cheating

[vale raven]

How DARE you accuse me of such things??

[carmine apex]

.wa s define shenanigans

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

reckless or malicious behavior that causes discomfort or annoyance in others

[carmine apex]

[vale raven]

I didn’t know the definition was that strong

[mossy mango]

.wa cat + 1

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[carmine apex]

1. Mischievous play, especially by children. [from mid 19th c.]
   

[vale raven]

mischief

That’s all it is

[mossy mango]

oh nice dog avatar on google

[vale raven]

Tanks

[grave cove]

bro is mischievous

[carmine apex]

charge yer phone

[vale raven]

Is still over half

Will put on charger when go bed

[carmine apex]

then discharge it so i can tell you to recharge it

[vale raven]

K

Moooooom Thuri gave me permission to stay awake until my phone dies

[mossy mango]

meanwhile I'm not over half

[carmine apex]

[citation needed]

[vale raven]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message
Thuri, 2025, re-colored

[carmine apex]

bro is under 0.5?
matey you have to be over 13 to use discord

[carmine apex]

i never said how

[mossy mango]

i am irresponsible battery overseer

[vale raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/instant_regret/s/SVdPqULx1i

[mossy mango]

isn't it better for battery to let it discharge

[carmine apex]

reddit continues the shenanigans of having an embed with a giant play button that doesn't actually work

[mossy mango]

omg i can't stand that

[carmine apex]

oh i've seen this before. long time ago, though

[mossy mango]

madeyoulook play button

stupid autocorrect

i wonder what side the battery is on, on my phone

[carmine apex]

you should turn off the autocorrect so you join me, thuri the

[mossy mango]

well technically it wasn't autocorrect, i just swiped wrong

[vale raven]

the what

[carmine apex]

the edited

[mossy mango]

theri the.

full stop

[vale raven]

oic

[carmine apex]

s/e/u

no theri

[mossy mango]

are you being a real programmer and using ed

[carmine apex]

discord ed

or discored idk

[crystal spruce]

disco red, my favourite color

[mossy mango]

discored

[vale raven]

Sed not Ed
Discord supports sed for editing messages

[mossy mango]

d

[carmine apex]

diScorED

[crystal spruce]

seds u

[vale raven]

Yes, seds me

[mossy mango]

w hello.txt

[carmine apex]

not correctly, though

[mossy mango]

sed -r enjoyers

[vale raven]

Okay I can use it correctly
Didn’t have much faith in myself

[carmine apex]

never put faith in discord's ability to implement anything correctly

[mossy mango]

did you guys see on helpers channel python bot was permanently typing

it was essaying

[carmine apex]

and public channels too, ya er

also wym was

[mossy mango]

is it still doing it

[carmine apex]

#dev-contrib public channel, still borked

[vale raven]

#bot-commands too

[mossy mango]

lol

[vale raven]

Someone run a docs command in every channel just to throw people off

[carmine apex]

that doesn't do it does it

[vale raven]

!docs disnake

[carmine apex]

moddddds

[vale raven]

you asked

deal with it

[carmine apex]

[citation needed]

[mossy mango]

doggo trying to bork ot1 channel

[carmine apex]

[vale raven]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[carmine apex]

did not ask for example

[vale raven]

Had to test to confirm

[carmine apex]

[mossy mango]

is discords doc have shellcode in it or something

cat is on left arm and I'm trying to eat

[vale raven]

It’s not the content
(From my understanding)
It’s an invalid URL so the content can’t be fetched on the first place

[carmine apex]

genuine surprise that nobody's manage to attempt a docs call in pygen for like 4 hours

[mossy mango]

and he's also interested in that I'm eating

[vale raven]

Throw cat onto bed

[mossy mango]

oh

timeouts are good

[vale raven]

Pygen is sleb

[carmine apex]

it supposedly has a timeout

[vale raven]

Should I do it?

[carmine apex]

idk timeout crashed or something

[carmine apex]

absolutely not

unless you want to get put in doghouse or something

[mossy mango]

I'm surprised nobody's done it in main

[carmine apex]

i volunteer grey as tribute

[mossy mango]

i guess a helper or mod would have to do it lol

nooo

[carmine apex]

would they?

[mossy mango]

i wouldn't lol

[carmine apex]

regular'd probably be enough

[mossy mango]

just a d will do it?

[carmine apex]

grey no

constant pybot novel will absolutely derail pygen

[mossy mango]

is spreading like a cancer

[vale raven]

No that’s actually “fine”

!d

[royal lake]

All inventories (`0` total)

Hmmm, seems like there's nothing here yet.

[carmine apex]

honest question how is this even possible

[vale raven]

0 inventories tho

[mossy mango]

well now we can't tell

[carmine apex]

why can bots trigger the typing indicator

[mossy mango]

don't you have to specifically tell it to go into typing state

[carmine apex]

i mean bots don't really type, though? shouldn't everything be kinda instant?

unless it's like a throbber or such?

[mossy mango]

it's a bizarre feature

i guess it's supposed to be like a throbber yeah

[glad folio]

No, it's just that Python is slow. 😛

[vale raven]

It’s a loading indicator, yeah

[carmine apex]

where save indicator

[vale raven]

Let’s you provide feedback for long running commands

[carmine apex]

shennnnnn

[vale raven]

The response

[mossy mango]

well sometimes @royal lake gets sentient

so it might actually be typing

[carmine apex]

s/'/

fix yer autocorrect

[vale raven]

proceeds to spew the Library of Alexandria

[mossy mango]

have y'all seen the inside of library of Alexandria now

it's so sad

it's just a dank cellar with no lights

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-seem-to-do-anything-right-now-annie-murphy-alexis-alexis-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20792112

[carmine apex]

pybot be like:

[mossy mango]

sed -r "s/'/g" < dog

no more dogpostrophe's

[carmine apex]

speaking of which

[mossy mango]

@vale raven

[vale raven]

Yes?

Am right here

No need to shout

[mossy mango]

.

sorry had to open the file

[carmine apex]

sed -r "s/'/g" < grey

muphry's law moment

[mossy mango]

i did it ||on purpose||

[carmine apex]

uh huh

[mossy mango]

place

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogbed-dogsleep-dognapp-gif-10810602

[carmine apex]

i like how this entire thing was brought on by disnake

[vale raven]

Do you have something against disnake?

[carmine apex]

i don't have anything against datsnake

[carmine apex]

hmmm

.xkcd 3151

[median dome]

XKCD comic #3151

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine or Home Improvement or DIY

2025/10/6 - #3151, 'Window Screen'

[carmine apex]

😔

[runic nymph]

I see zero problem with this. Students these days are most definitely just going to run straight to chatgpt or claude

Might as well have a discussion around it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist

[vapid nymph]

lmao why is @royal lake still typing here

[vapid nymph]

tbf we haven't updated our docs in a while

that misconfiguration is not us

[vapid nymph]

uhhh

[vapid nymph]

listen its the middle of the night

[tame meadow]

Morning

Well . It is here 🤣

[tame meadow]

AI has been helpful as such its explained how code works. I try not to use it too much myself. I'm quite new in and that just seems like an extremely bad habit for anyone learning to pick up.

[warped sentinel]

it robs you from the effort of having to learn that and put the pieces together

[tame meadow]

The IDE I've been using seems to want to write a lot of the code out for me too if I press tab which is annoying

[warped sentinel]

indeed

[pseudo zephyr]

you can turn that off its pretty annoying honestly

we will see fairly soon what is the quality of engineers who only ever learned with ai tools

[warped sentinel]

already happening

I asked people to show me the project they are the most proud of

guess what they show...

no test, no best practice, just AI slop

like bro

[pseudo zephyr]

yeah that really sucks

[tame meadow]

Its a shame actually.

I'm gonna try to not go near it

Id like to learn myself. I think I end up going towards it when I doubt my ability.

Very bad habits picked up from when I was a VB6 AOL progz "programmer" who used to just copy code and never bothered to learn it myself lol

[steel linden]

still going half an hour later

[runic nymph]

One could say that about compilers, or interpreted languages

[runic nymph]

It's him. It's John Python

[warped sentinel]

lol no

no one skilled or knowledgeable would say anything like that

[runic nymph]

That's certainly a civil response

Lucky for you I'm not skilled or knowledgeable, I'm both. So it checks out

[warped sentinel]

you can fix that. There are tons of free resources online

[runic nymph]

I said I'm both skilled and knowledgeable

The lack of working with a compiler has fried your syntax parsing skills 💀

[warped sentinel]

I mean, no one skilled or knowledgeable would say anything like that

[runic nymph]

Oh yes I fully understood what you were getting at

I raise an analogy and you called me incompetent

[warped sentinel]

It's pretty simple, don't say what people without skill or knowledge would say

[runic nymph]

The level of prejudice for even discussing these topics is kind of wild

[warped sentinel]

you can always try to make a case for why a compiler would be robbing you of the exact same skills in the exact same ways than an AI like chatgpt or claude

that would be fun to watch

[runic nymph]

Because I've worked in many jobs with older engineers and they tell me how people made the exact same arguments when switching from assembly to compiled languages

Maybe you haven't had that work experience yet champ, I'm sure it's in the future for you 💪

[warped sentinel]

you need to put more effort into it. Swing it like you mean it

bro bait used to be more believable

[vapid nymph]

try 7 hours

#dev-contrib message

10 hours actually

[warped sentinel]

could be a self bot or something

[vapid nymph]

oh its not

its @royal lake itself lol

[warped sentinel]

oh bot gone wild

[vapid nymph]

yeah doc command borked

!d

[royal lake]

All inventories (`0` total)

Hmmm, seems like there's nothing here yet.

[vapid nymph]

so borked

[willow narwhal]

i'm sorry :(

i broke it

[vapid nymph]

l3viathan do you have int e access?

!src int e

[royal lake]

Command: internal eval

Run eval in a REPL-like format.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/utils/internal.py:229

[vapid nymph]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/f0e4d45cb30208c35fa55372e15ea524ea573123/bot/exts/utils/internal.py#L230

[royal lake]

bot/exts/utils/internal.py line 230

@has_any_role(Roles.admins, Roles.owners)```

[vapid nymph]

oh my god

it would cause a sentry error but you could totally just run !int e exit()

[willow narwhal]

I do, but I don't want to do even more damage

[vapid nymph]

yeah look at what happened to me the last time you listened to me

[willow narwhal]

Exactly

[vapid nymph]

w-wait we're agreeing on the wrong thing

[willow narwhal]

The good thing it's only !docs, the rest still works.

[vapid nymph]

and its just the typing indicator in every channel

not much

also hi hello nice to meet you

[steel linden]

what... thats mad

[vapid nymph]

sorry i can't math its been 10 hours

@willow narwhal you should sleep

not me being up for almost 24 hours

[willow narwhal]

I should yeah, but I think my employer would complain. It's 8:30 here

[vapid nymph]

still typing

[worldly ice]

Nightshift?

oh the morning variant of 8:30

[willow narwhal]

Yeah, I just slept for 7 hours

[foggy wagon]

Hello

Peeps

[bold apex]

Hello peep

[bleak maple]

Current reading list if anyone is interested, which isn’t that likely now that I am typing this…

[glad folio]

I feel like Theory of Probability should come sooner than final wave if you're going to do A Course on Stochastic Analysis.

[bleak maple]

I feel like I understand that pretty well via measure theory. Kinda have that there just to make sure I have it nailed

[glad folio]

ahh ok ok.

[bleak maple]

But otherwise you’re totally right

Also I play an RPG with very complex dice outcomes so I have a decent intuition for it

(Step System games like Earthdawn have unbounded “explosions” on dice that roll their max face value)

[glad folio]

There's a book called "The Probabilstic Method" that is very interesting and sort of a different CS application than the usual ML.

[bleak maple]

Cool, I’ll look it up

[glad folio]

Like a large part of it is: Does this object exist? Well if I sample from these other objects, the probability of getting the object i'm looking for is non-zero and therefore exists.

[bleak maple]

I like that, yeah, if it’s findable sometimes then it’s real enough for my taste etc

I love the elegance of Cantor’s diagonal argument, but IMO it produces numbers that aren’t concrete in the sense of being measurable in our universe.

[jaunty wraith]

!rule 6 | we don't allow surveys

[royal lake]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[brazen ingot]

theres loads of books named that. theres one by alon

[glad folio]

That's the one i'm thinking of.

[kind carbon]

Guys

Im texting at school

[mossy mango]

👀

[brazen ingot]

https://brython.info/ ?

[undone granite]

so my country decided to block Discord today for some reason

and now I have to use a VPN each time I wanna use it 🙄

[harsh tundra]

Go the Nepal way?

[bleak maple]

Discord is just doomscrolling but with less repetitive stress injury.

[carmine apex]

rsi tip:
ctrl-c ctrl-v

[bleak maple]

I meant that scrolling a smartphone screen is RSI.

https://vxtwitter.com/krishdotdev/status/1975887276120125567

Kr$na (@krishdotdev)

Rate my keyboard !

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 8, 2025, 11:33 AM

[bleak maple]

Interesting trend.

[thick osprey]

Brilliant. "Weatherproof" fabric tents in a geographical area that averages two tornados a year. That's not even factoring in the severe level weather events.

[harsh tundra]

They'll probably move it somewhere as soon as they deplet the water from nearby areas

[weak peak]

can't have access to the cybercrime breeding ground /s

[harsh tundra]

Or have scammy insurance and/or claim extreme loss for tax purposes

[thick osprey]

Oh they don't need to worry about depleting it quickly, they are in the second lowest point of the area. Depending on which part of the county they are in, they are in a flood plain.

...

I wonder if the tents also float.

[bleak maple]

I agree with this sentiment 100%: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYBod0ge3Y

[rough sapphire]

how do i get into war hammer

[dapper dew]

The lorecast

[rough sapphire]

ooh thats helpful thank you

[crystal spruce]

"how do I solve this quadratic"
"ok, so first assume we already have the roots of the quadratic..."

[bleak maple]

Libation has the most insanely epic tutorial wizard design I have ever seen, and I can’t think of how I would improve it.

At the end of the tutorial, if you only had one audiobook in your Audible library, you are done with what you installed the software to do

(Only use it for Fair Use please)

[grave cove]

just put the quadratic formula in the bag lil bro

[harsh lava]

which one of you geniuses came up with the channel name?

[shell raptor]

it do be like that sometimes

[shell raptor]

#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

[modern tinsel]

dont complain, its good

[vapid nymph]

No it's terrible

It's an attribute on the people class

Or entity class

Depending on therian

[modern tinsel]

its not, having the word type-hints in a title automatically makes it better

[vapid nymph]

Ok JoBe: he | him whatever you said

[modern tinsel]

typing.Union[he, him], yeah

[vapid nymph]

Chilli_macera: she | her | set[Pronouns]

[vapid nymph]

Hey don't use legacy syntax

[modern tinsel]

I know its been deprecated, but it looks cooler

[wicked haven]

It feels strange to see an off topic name that I was there for the creation of...

[mossy mango]

lol I kind of like it as well idk

maybe I'm old school

[mossy mango]

i love that otn lol

it's kinda true

[solemn tulip]

complete that square!

[mossy mango]

I'm so psyched I got c++ working a lot better in emacs

[royal tartan]

pronouns are type hints

[solemn tulip]

gets very annoying for non-trivial cases? 🙃

statically pronouned languages handle it better

[mossy mango]

lol

#ifdef __cplusplus
extern "C" {
#endif
typedef enum pronouns {
...
} pronouns;```

[thick ore]

all i see is const auto&

[mossy mango]

you don't like it?

[thick ore]

what happened to for (int i = 0; i < argc; i++) {

[mossy mango]

i tried to do it foreach style

then someone suggested auto&

i never know when to use & and barely know when to use const tho

[solemn tulip]

do you want a copy?

or a reference?

[mossy mango]

i guess auto is basic_string<char>

[mossy mango]

usually not

[solemn tulip]

in such cases you want a reference, so &

[mossy mango]

but if it's & it's not a pointer right? but it doesn't have to pass the whole object

[solemn tulip]

and then the const is about whether you are mutating that thing

[solemn tulip]

it's basically a non-null pointer that behaves like a value wrt how you use it

[mossy mango]

what if i had

struct Cat {
  std::string name;
  std::string color;
};``` can I do
```js
auto keno = Cat { "Keno", "orange" };```

[solemn tulip]

You can

auto will derive the type to be Cat

[mossy mango]

void meow(const Cat & cat) {
  std::cout << cat.name << " meowed" << std::endl;
}
int main() {
  auto keno = ...;
  auto snowshoe = ...;
  meow(keno);
  meow(snowshoe);
}

[solemn tulip]

create Cat, put it in the auto box, ||put in the radioactive source||

[mossy mango]

radioactive source?

[solemn tulip]

schrödinger's cat 🙃

[mossy mango]

why is it radioactive

[solemn tulip]

isn't that the classic setup?

[mossy mango]

I thought it was a box

maybe it's radioactive?

[marble bay]

there's a source of radiation in the box

[mossy mango]

oh 🙁

I never liked Schrodingers

[solemn tulip]

oh, the setup is for the source to trigger a sensor that triggers something worse

beautiful wiki illustrations

[mossy mango]

what the hell

why it Shrodinger a psychopath

[solemn tulip]

only in thought

[mossy mango]

lock him up

[solemn tulip]

postmortem jail

[marble bay]

coffins. you're thinking of coffins.

[mossy mango]

coffin as jail is unsettling

[marble bay]

I'm pretty sure that enough people who have been buried alive on accident/intentionally will concur

[mossy mango]

deathtime sentence

[mossy mango]

nooo why would you put that in my head right before bed

[solemn tulip]

"scrödinger's buried-alive human" has a different ring to it

[mossy mango]

||I'd rather it be a human than a cat||

nobody click

[marble bay]

too late

[solemn tulip]

what if replaced the radioactive source or whatever with curiosity?

that might be similarly lethal

[mossy mango]

that sounds more appropriate

the cat should be alive tho generally

[marble bay]

how would you quantify curiosity

[mossy mango]

curiometer

[marble bay]

or the decay/(growth?) of it over time

[mossy mango]

how curled the cats tail is at the end

[solemn tulip]

number of feathered balls

[mossy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wondering-cat-kitty-kitten-pussy-cat-gif-16169950

[thick ore]

which is heavier, 1kg of feathers or 2kg of feathers

[mossy mango]

2kg

that would be a high volume

[solemn tulip]

the same, obviously

[thick ore]

it's a complicated question i know

[solemn tulip]

can't get me with your classic gotchas 😎

[mossy mango]

isn't 2kg heavier than 1kg

[solemn tulip]

is joke

there was this thing where llms got this wrong

[mossy mango]

ohh

[bleak maple]

joke but lol https://vxtwitter.com/dfect/status/1975983109909999831

Santiago Zavala (@dfect)

Finally testing Omarchy in Vegas @dhh

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 8, 2025, 5:54 PM

[bleak maple]

Maybe not ideal: https://archive.ph/ZebJb

[crystal spruce]

@gritty badge
representing an arbitrary self referential inductive/coinductive sum type via a function list[E] -> Some N which represents the tree induced by the sum type as the function that takes a path and outputs the node
solely for semantic purposes, since this is much less practical than just storing a tree directly, but should be easier to work with for proofs (it allows you to treat it globally ig, rather than locally as is currently done with sum types via unfolding their ctors/dtors, which might be nicer for proofs of certain properties)
the issue I ran into when trying to formalize it was that it can be a lot more general than just a direct self reference like N = Z | S N, it's also reasonable to allow stuff like F = Foo (Maybe F) | Bar (F + int) | Baz (int -> F)
the condition there is to only allow positive occurrences of the self reference (only covariant positions if youre familiar with that), but the definition of E requires you to trace out the possible paths, and that's hard to do in general (if even possible) for an arbitrary positive functor
I briefly had a look at doing it solely for a bicartesian closed category as the underlying type category, as in defining like a Slot functor that takes a functor and returns a type, via recursion on the different base constructions, and I think I had a few decent results like it turns both sum and product into sums, and exponentials (functions) into the argument (on second thought this doesn't seem to work with currying), but i haven't worked through the details, and there's a few other things I need to work out as well that I don't really have the time to do, nor do I have a good setting to actually implement this in yet so not much point

that yap turned out longer than expected

mostly inspired by an exercise one of my project supervisors gave me to learn a formal verification language: to define the relation that takes two lists A, B and returns whether A is a sublist of B, not necessarily contiguous, and prove that it's a partial order
the proof of transitivity was quite involved, and after working with the language for a bit longer, I've been thinking about why there's such a complexity wall there, despite the result being so intuitively true
my current theory is that it's because the nil | cons x xs definition is too local for this property, which is more of a global property than a local one
defining it via the index: nat -> Some a function should make things easier, as the definition of the relation should just require a monotonic increasing function f: nat -> nat, and proving partial order with those should be much nicer

[fiery mica]

Holy wall of text 🙀

[cold aspen]

happens every day am i right

[bleak maple]

Oh snap https://agriculturemusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-circle-chant
(I would call this "blackened shoegaze" or "blackened post-hardcore" I guess)

Los Angeles band.

[gritty badge]

Ok that's a lot more complicated than what I'm writing -.-

[crystal spruce]

i'm the type to yap a whole bunch of stuff

and then take 5 years to actually implement something

[low chasm]

yoo Purdue mentioned

I've got a couple of friends with startups

[mossy mango]

does anyone know about c++

I'm trying to understand why I need to write auto &

isn't & already part of the type?

[bleak maple]

Well, it still needs to know if you want a value or a reference etc, it seems to me.

[mossy mango]

huh

also hello

if you have a pointer and you want a reference, you have to dereference the pointer first?

I need to get back on my rust learning

[grave cove]

yes because references cant be null but pointers can

[mossy mango]

i didn't know you can have a reference to a pointer?

is that legal

[grave cove]

yes

[mossy mango]

so the pointer can be 0 but the reference will never not be referencing it

[grave cove]

i dont understand

[mossy mango]

maybe it didn't make sense lol

[grave cove]

yeah i cant parse that sentence

[mossy mango]

i was trying to understand because references can't be null

[grave cove]

correct

[mossy mango]

but pointers can, and it's a reference to a pointer

idk it made sense in my head lol

[lament cairn]

i want to keep a catalog of short thoughts
social media comes to mind but i hate it and would rather stay away from it
blogs are overkill i dont want to write much
uaoguh

[bleak maple]

I like Obsidian for this, cross-platform Markdown editor

You can stick it on a private cloud drive or use their sync or do your own thing

[grave cove]

obsidian inside onedrive works pretty well for me

[spare apex]

The reference will always be referencing the pointer even though the pointer is at 0. That’s what I got 🤷‍♂️

Obsidian mentioned

[bleak maple]

This is legit too but I've gone back to Obsidian because I have some friends who use its Sync to collaborate on game notes etc and it's easier to plug into that https://logseq.com/

[spare apex]

Wait… that seems like more than a plug in for obsidian, yeah?

[bleak maple]

Nah, it's a standalone thing with an iOS app etc.

[spare apex]

Ooo I see now. You were using that but went back to obsidian

[bleak maple]

I actually might like it a little better than Obsidian but for now the compatibility with my friends' "vaults" is more useful etc.

[vale raven]

I'm the guy that just uses GitHub

[spare apex]

Yeah I didn’t even know you could do that with obsidian.

[bleak maple]

Actually though you can just use gist dot github

You can clone/fork/etc those repos those create

one gist per topic/subject/category/whatever

[vale raven]

God there's so much random crap on the Gist discover page

At least they give hugs?

[vapid nymph]

@bleak lintel I've been thinking about it since yesterday and I have decided how I'm going to restructure my database now.

[mossy mango]

a crash report? seriously lol

is there even an algorithm

[vapid nymph]

https://gist.github.com/Kaori10498/3a7adffa7faf7d20c426027ef05d6807 no

[mossy mango]

is this private info? lol

[vapid nymph]

i hope not

[bleak maple]

Ok yeah Ruby Central is done: Andre is a real guy that we trust: https://andre.arko.net/2025/10/09/the-rubygems-security-incident/

[ripe birch]

JSON is a database and whoever says it is not is in denial

Best databases:

• firebase
• sqlite
• json
• mongodb
• why do you need anything else?

[wooden silo]

Hmmmmmmmm.

[willow narwhal]

You forgot:

• DNS
• ping

[stark prawn]

Where is pen & paper?

[wooden silo]

How about the brain?

[ripe birch]

Ping can be a db?!??!?!?

[ripe birch]

Super unreliable

Dies pretty quickly

[willow narwhal]

Yes, see link

[ripe birch]

Data not transferrable

[ripe birch]

Not digital :(

[wooden silo]

I feel like the database part of JSON, if you can call it that, is just storing text in a file.

Not so much the JSON

[vapid nymph]

Well I'm disappointed

Framework computer did a stupid

[lament cairn]

don't forget these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJSW7Rprio

[thick ore]

dont forget pickle

the safest database there is

[vale raven]

So what’s Marty? A fake guy?

Doesn’t the security announcement say the AWS root password was rotated?
Like these people are saying, that would make me very angry

Arko doesn’t mention that at all

So… who did do that then?

[bleak maple]

Yes, because he lied in those quoted interactions.

[vapid lily]

Is json a database?

[vale raven]

Depends on you you ask

[vapid lily]

I I ask

[vale raven]

Okay, how do you answer yourself then?

[vale raven]

https://tutorial.vco.sh/tips/jsondb/

[vapid lily]

🤮

[bleak maple]

Imperfect strategy though; what if the printer grabs the gun? Keep it in a safe.

[wooden silo]

With some C4.

[bleak maple]

Maybe my printer should be a thing that actually eats punch cards and has a hand-crank I have to turn.. and the only actual printer would be a small punch-card printer?

[wooden silo]

Regarding this, I do think printers are probably among the most vulnerable devices you can own.

[bleak maple]

Absolutely, they all speak a crazy number of protocols now

It's tempting to use one of my old WiFi (3Com!!) USB print servers, and just disable the networking in the printer.

StarTech makes them now, nice https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-100Mbps-Ethernet-Network-Server/dp/B016A4MSA4/

[wooden silo]

Are there no unicorn startups whose business idea is a safe printer?

[harsh tundra]

Never use HP printers. They will deny you printing even if you have toner and paper, but canceled your subscription

[bleak maple]

Yeah, I use Brother for everything these days, initially because they had good UNIX support before others.

[upper flower]

my dad has been using an hp printer for like 15+ years

and the same one

💀

[harsh tundra]

So it doesn't have subscription, nice. But may have problems with toners, almost all companies tried to cheat users on that, making the toners have chips that would block manually refilling them or using non-official replacements

That's why when I was buying a printer a few years ago, I went for the "tank" printer. I can easily see the ink remaining, I don't have too messy refilling...

[bleak maple]

This is a pretty good epigraph:

[thick ore]

bro thinks i can read that

looks cool tho

[bleak maple]

(That's the inscription from the One Ring in Lord of the Rings)

One Ring to rule them all etc

Tengwar, "black speech"

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul -> "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,"
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul -> "One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."

[bleak maple]

Cool map:

[vale raven]

WHAT

I NEED THIS

[vale raven]

There are plenty of industrial printers that had only basic feature sets

[bleak maple]

and USB or parallel-port-only printers are cheap on eBay, even fancy enterprise ones; and both kinds of print server are for sale cheaply on Amazon.

[bleak maple]

I would gladly still probably run the HP LaserJet IIIx or something

What a tank

[bleak maple]

Not fast compared to modern stuff but I never print whole books anyway

[vale raven]

Zebra printer mounted on this thing only has 9100 and, like, maybe SNMP

I always forget which models have the SNMP

[austere wave]

I did NOTHING wrong

[fiery mica]

I was wondering why I couldn't chat in the other off topic... Drama happened 🤔

Anyways respect people's pronouns :3

[bleak maple]

This looks really good https://github.com/jdx/mise

[jaunty wraith]

can confirm. it's good.

[bleak maple]

Basically uv tool install but for all languages

And I like that sentence.

[jaunty wraith]

It does support uv to install Python tools

[bleak maple]

Yeah

It's just a higher level, cooler idea, it seems to me. Love it.

[vale raven]

What about asdf?

[plain eagle]

Guys

What best app for python coding(better than pydroid)

[jaunty wraith]

old and slow

[vale raven]

how would you like it if I went around saying that about you??

[jaunty wraith]

I would be in agreement

[vale raven]

Last week my phone was like “you’ve burned less calories lately”

I was like “yeah I have been feeling tired this week”

[stark prawn]

How does your phone know what calories you burn

[vale raven]

Notificación popped up and said “for the last 21 weeks”

me I guess

[vale raven]

It “approximates” based on how much it gets jostled around
Just like a pedometer

[jaunty wraith]

Notificación

https://tenor.com/view/sus-suspicious-sus-cat-suspicious-cat-cat-gif-15637575443049614039

[vale raven]

You got a problem with that?

Take it up with el old auto ortográfico

Because it keeps changing my words around on me

[carmine apex]

you should cease having skill issues with autocorrect and joins the legions of Thuri the

[jaunty wraith]

Thuri the what

[harsh tundra]

So if I lay down and throw my phone up and catch it, I'm burning calories?
I prefer cheap-ish smartwatch that monitors heart rate and movement

[carmine apex]

is nobody going to ever get that joke 😔

[jaunty wraith]

we get it, but we do not confer it the title of joke

[stark prawn]

I don't have my phone in my pocket on the threadmill, guess i'm not burning any calories then

[carmine apex]

denial is the most predictable of human responses

[vale raven]

Oh I just got it

[jaunty wraith]

no, denial is a river in Egypt

[carmine apex]

you can't use homophonic humor in text, moyai statue.
please try again with less skill issues

[vale raven]

They’re also half cat you species-ist

[carmine apex]

you joined!

also, possibly excepting if the cat is orange, cats are better than that

[jaunty wraith]

why would I try again with "less skill" issues?

[carmine apex]

could be one of the fellas where less skill is needed, as doing it correctly just comes naturally

[jaunty wraith]

you're not making any sense

[stark prawn]

They made pizza lands for the ninja turtles mtg set

[jaunty wraith]

looks great!

[harsh tundra]

de Nile. Last year :3

[jaunty wraith]

did you buy a house in Egypt?

[carmine apex]

maybe you should buy a pack of new jokes

[harsh tundra]

Huh? No. Just a week trip

[jaunty wraith]

thuri say the thing

[carmine apex]

moyen's having skill issues?

[jaunty wraith]

no the other one

[stark prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/elerimbim-gif-10561973870428098080

[carmine apex]

idk what i'm supposed to be saying here tbh

[wooden silo]

Ms Krabappel's dead.

Holy crap, she died in 2013

I found out like last week

[stark prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bought-property-egypt-give-gif-12060490311026397794

is this waht you were referencing?

[weak peak]

EGYPT!

[lament cairn]

I'm thinking of making a discord bot that scrapes my uni's student portal and sends any updates/important info to a channel
but to do that, I'd have to store at least one login to be able to access it, and it'll have to be in plaintext at some point
how do I do this safely? I'm thinking of making the part that does the scraping a separate internal service that the bot accesses via some HTTP API
I have a microscopic budget and want to host this with just a basic VPS, so paid secret store services are out of the question

[wooden silo]

Store the login in an encrypted file and decrypt at service start using a passphrase you enter manually, maybe?

[vapid nymph]

@bleak lintel after our talk yesterday I figured out how I'm going to refactor my database on my Discord bot.

Dropping postgresql. Going to use json from now on

[undone granite]

Where are you going to store the json data?

Manually in a file?

[bleak lintel]

didn't you ping me with that this morning

i don't agree with json necessarily but 90% of discord bots can get away with sqlite if they absolutely need it

[undone granite]

I don’t have the context here, but i would advise against manually storing your data. Databases will take care of your data integrity and durability

[bleak lintel]

hence sqlite

[vapid nymph]

I don't remember

[undone granite]

|| Just dont run sqlite on NFS like i do ||

|| or dont use NFS at all ||

[vapid nymph]

I had a dream I did that

Apparently I did do that

[bleak maple]

Take a look at sqlite-sync if you need to scale out

sqlite is plenty for lots of stuff

[vapid nymph]

It's a joke about the channel name

[bleak lintel]

sqlite is excellent stuff

[undone granite]

Canonical has a project to make a distributed sqlite, let me find it

[vapid nymph]

I already use postgres

[bleak maple]

https://github.com/sqliteai/sqlite-sync

[vapid nymph]

Though I love sqlalchemy

It lets me use sqlite for local dev

[bleak maple]

All CRDT approach

[undone granite]

https://canonical.com/dqlite

[bleak maple]

Dblite is cool but can only go so far because it supports arbitrary schemas

sqlite-sync is all CRDT which I think is super cool

[frozen coral]

Yeah I hate acid databases

json for life

[bleak lintel]

I love acid

[crisp shell]

cap

theorem is an important concept

[bleak lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-lean-meme-lean-cat-loves-lean-purple-drank-gif-24893809

[undone granite]

Summoning lambda

[bleak lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-pack-packwatch-rip-bozo-gif-17958985278547591441

[crisp shell]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-rabbit-dance-bunny-vibe-twitch-gif-25518131

[frozen coral]

how can I make my mongodb more scalable?

[vale raven]

take more ACID

Hi Chris

[bleak maple]

Buy faster CPUs

[frozen coral]

I downloaded more ram, now it says I have internet connectivity issues

[undone granite]

Run your database on top of tmpfs easy

[bleak maple]

And then add mongos and hate life

Remember all that easy management mongo has? Yeah, you’ll want to remember it fondly.

[bleak lintel]

i'm on it man

[frozen coral]

thanks, I've added your ssh key to prod

[e-mail]

[bleak lintel]

thank you man

[frozen coral]

(make sure you're on the vpn or packets will just drop)

[bleak lintel]

do you have a CA cert i can use (preferably with private key) and is it something i can put in a docker image

[frozen coral]

yeah I'll add it to a base image real quick

[bleak lintel]

thanks

cc @eternal wing for sign off

[undone granite]

what a great team, pydis is in great hands

[frozen coral]

yeah np man

[crisp shell]

dreamwork

[bleak lintel]

it's all thanks to fisher

[frozen coral]

You can use my chat bot if you want more insights

https://chris-chat.python-discord.workers.dev/

[bleak lintel]

fisher was the one who singlehandedly rewrote the pydis killchain to node/express

[frozen coral]

I love node on the backend

[bleak lintel]

i love my digital killchain

[stark prawn]

Why is it 110% screen height

[frozen coral]

because @bleak lintel uses claude with 1 line prompts

[crisp shell]

mobile first design

[bleak lintel]

chris has branding guidelines which dictate any time his face appears it must be a minimum size

[eternal wing]

Yeah thanks, lgtm. You can find my ssh private key at https://admin.friendo.dev

[undone granite]

May your deployments be swift and your rollbacks unnecessary
❤️

[bleak lintel]

https://agents.pydis.wtf/

[bleak maple]

Ensnared
Database of death
No chance of escape
Caught within the mainframe killchain
(Bolt Thrower)

[vapid nymph]

You tried.

It doesn't count if it doesn't play

[bleak maple]

This video is clutch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5TrK7A4pI

[lament cairn]

actually i know how to compute very well

watch:

moves an image in a Word doc, breaking everything in the process

[bleak maple]

You thought that was air you were breathing?:

"However, mathematical logic cannot always infer computational steps because computational systems make use of arbitration for determining which message is processed next by a recipient that is sent multiple messages concurrently. Since reception orders are in general indeterminate, they cannot be inferred from prior information by mathematical logic alone. Therefore mathematical logic cannot in general implement computation."

and we wonder why it's hard to get software right

[peak shell]

Hi . I need help

[plain eagle]

With?

[topaz monolith]

Hi, how can i get access to streaming in voice channels like #off-topic-lounge-text

[timid latch]

A mod has to be in the channel with you and grant the permission (for moderation reasons)

-# alternatively you can get on staff, but that can take a bit longer

[topaz monolith]

Can i ping any moderator and ask for permission?

[timid latch]

no

[topaz monolith]

mmm

[timid latch]

it has to be a moderator that is in the voice channel with you.
depending on the time of the day there is usually one in there

[topaz monolith]

well I see few online but not on any voice channels guess patience is needed

[bleak maple]

I've been here 6 months and not yet been on voice haha

[topaz monolith]

mmm thats long!

[wooden silo]

I've been here for 6 years and I've been on voice one time.

Haha.

[topaz monolith]

Well thats "REALLY LONG!"

[wooden silo]

That's what she said.

[topaz monolith]

she?

lol i get it

[wooden silo]

My wife.

[topaz monolith]

😆

[wooden silo]

She's like "Seriously, get on voice a bit more often, what will people think?"

And I'm like "No, I'm shy!"

[bleak maple]

also you promised not to reveal the Wu-Tang Secret

[topaz monolith]

Oh Yeah?

[wooden silo]

Oh yeah.

[wooden silo]

Precisely.

[topaz monolith]

Waiting for a moderator to spawn out of nowhere!

[bleak maple]

Everybody's always "Defiler, Defiler, tell us the Wu-Tang Secret!" and I'm like "Sorry, I promised."

I'd love to help you.

[wooden silo]

You don't break a blood oath willy-nilly after all.

Greta Thunberg's little sister thinks my wife's ex is a creep for wearing a helmet while biking.

:/

Just had to get that off my chest.

[green breach]

You don't break a blood oath willy-nilly after all.
Greta Thunberg's little sister thinks my wife's ex is a creep for wearing a helmet while biking

This is wild. Where's a mod? Add either of these to otn

[wooden silo]

I reflected to myself that this sounds like it's a randomly generated sentence.

[green breach]

Yes, yes it does. Also is that actually true? I am so curious right now

[wooden silo]

Or like, from Cards Against Humanity

[wooden silo]

Yes, it is.

My wife's ex is a professional photographer.

Thunberg's sister is a 1719-year old opera singer and model. He showed up to her shoot on his bike with a helmet on. She thought he was a weird unc and didn't want to be seen with him.

[green breach]

🤣 that is wild

[wooden silo]

Yeah. I mean, Thunberg's sister of all people.

Greta being like the poster child for being mature for her age.

I feel bad for the guy, he got run over by a car while biking before so I can see why he'd wanna wear a helmet.

[upper flower]

YES

YES

I MANAGED TO INSERT THE USB IN MY PC

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-sukuna-absolute-cinema-jjk-gif-5394194156872612446

[gusty dust]

Hi there folks, new here, just trying to get started.

[gusty dust]

Sometimes miracles do happen lmao, not for me w. usb tho

[wooden silo]

Hello, and welcome

Feel free to ask questions if you get stuck

[bleak maple]

Ever wondered about the "Geometry of Statistics"? Well, these guys did! They define a new "Eta" metric that defines how messed-up and non-local a set of statistics are, and it turns out to also measure the complexity of systems directly.
Ignore the "Black Hole Thermodynamics" part of the title, that's just what they flex on with their new tool, could have been anything.
Crazy paper, Eta is like the most-abstract metric I've ever seen.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.11044v1

[raw zephyr]

no, no i didn't

[bleak maple]

This touches on a lot of crap I know almost nothing about, I'm not claiming to have dissected it fully, but I think I understand Eta.

Basically there's been a problem re: how stuff works close to black holes vs. on Earth, and these folks were just like "hold my beer", and unified it all

This approach successfully reconciles the linearity of quantum mechanics with the inherent non-linearity of nonextensive statistical mechanics. It suggests that the choice of statistics is independent of the underlying physical laws (the action) and is instead determined by how time is analytically continued.

Madness.

Entropy wins again.

I can't wait to break out Eta in an interview about Kolmogorov Complexity

Hate to talk to an LLM about this but I don't know anybody else who cares about statistical mechanics:

[bleak maple]

Sometimes it feels like this:

[open cliff]

if it works - it works!
though imo, introducing some sort of a quick tutorial might help in such "ambiguous" interface/s.

[tardy rain]

Honestly if thats the users intuition thats their problem

Cant help stupid

[bleak maple]

Yeah it works because it's funny but also clearly viable haha

[remote ore]

No, but you sure do have to design for it.

[tardy rain]

Do i tho

[remote ore]

If you care about outcomes more than grandstanding, absolutely

[bleak maple]

I'm sure this won't have any impact on society and is fine and capitalism always makes good decisions.

[tardy rain]

At some point there are diminishing returns to catering to idjots

[upper flower]

yes

[vale raven]

Do you have similar reservations about alcohol?

Also Target is based BTW
https://youtu.be/MezNFE5eAp0

[bleak maple]

I mean, sorta? I don’t want to stop anybody from living their best life, but especially in the early United States, the drinking stuff got out of control. The amount people used to drink per day is crazy by modern standards

Target’s “loss prevention” is wild, yeah

[vale raven]

You’re telling me this isn’t perfectly normal??

(This has been collecting since like Thursday I’ve just been sleeping till like 2pm this weekend because my body is dumb and haven’t bothered to clean my desk yet — I promise this isn’t every day for me)

[bleak maple]

Early Americans even took a healthful dram for breakfast, whiskey was a typical lunchtime tipple, ale accompanied supper and the day ended with a nightcap. Continuous imbibing clearly built up a tolerance as most Americans in 1790 consumed an average 5.8 gallons of pure alcohol a year.
In 1830, consumption peaked at 7.1 gallons a year and drinking became a moral issue.

[harsh tundra]

That wasn't just US at that time tho, it was a lot of the world

[bleak lintel]

i am proud to have never consumed mountain dew

and i never plan to

[bleak maple]

You're not wrong, but long ago in high school, a buddy whose house I'd go to to play video games etc turned me on to cold Mountain Dew in a glass mug that had been in the freezer, and I have to admit there's a certain something there.

[high dagger]

devine fucking intellect

https://tenor.com/view/terry-a-davis-gif-8719402701995334166

[bleak maple]

These guys crush https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCox4PoqBP4

[harsh tundra]

In Europe it's similar to sprite/7up - same family of citrusy sodas. It's only the bottle that looks radioactive, the contents are just slightly yellowish but otherwise clear soda.

[languid cargo]

I wonder if it glows under UV light.

[harsh tundra]

The bottle for sure does, it's this kind of neon greenish yellow so it looks glowing even under sunlight.
The liquid doesn't seem to brighten under sunlight, so no

But you just reminded me of the time our hotel we were in for science camp was serving us disgusting food, one being some kind of fish... with a sauce that had slight tint of such greenish yellow. We called it highlighter ink sauce.

Oh, you also reminded me about reddit post I saw yesterday about someone's fish just starting glowing on its own. Some kind of bioluminescent bacteria or protist or algae contamination. Looked fascinating but inedible.
Someone in the comments mentioned they had such stuff happen in their freezer. No light inside the freezer, just glowing fish...

[frozen crane]

which crypto do you think he invested in

[tardy rain]

$MELANIA

[frozen crane]

I call her malala

[tardy rain]

Isnt that the pakistani lady with the taliban scuffle

[vale raven]

Why are you proud of limiting your world view?

https://tenor.com/view/dance-zootopia-gif-16835027057724746570

[bleak lintel]

health benefits

i don't do fizzy drinks

[vale raven]

Except maybe, like, cigarettes

And probably cocaine

[vale raven]

At all?

I’m so sorry

[bleak lintel]

yeah haven't since like

early teenage years

[tardy rain]

Fizzy drinks arent all that shen

[vale raven]

They are to me

💧 👎

[harsh tundra]

Carbonated water is technically a fizzy drink. And it's great.
Juices are often higher in sugar than some sodas. I lived my childhood with a diabetic, so I really take note of such stuff

[bleak maple]

Well, of course, https://crypto.com/en/price/lion-token

[lament cairn]

with more and more non-techy people using linux, small projects maintained by a single digit number of people are depended on more
I wonder when it'll all backfire

my guess is some random project will be abandoned by its author, no one volunteers to take over/help with maintenance, and suddenly shit like systemd stars breaking

[left jewel]

ah yes, the "random guy in Nebraska" situation

[lament cairn]

wasn't xz maintained full-time by like two people?

[left jewel]

it was a bit more like one and a half, there was the guy that made the project and then the "person" that took it from them and added a backdoor

a bit surprised that we wouldn't have known had some guy not cared about a microsecond

[vapid nymph]

y'all I'm trying to test benchmarks between.... nvm

[bleak maple]

benchmarking benchmarks is fun

You can learn some neat stuff sometimes

[vapid nymph]

i was trying to test httpx and aiohttp and then i realised the proper ish way to do this to run a web server on my computer they can hit

though apparently it doesn't really matter since aiohttp can be used as a transport for httpx

[bleak maple]

IMO this is a nice choice https://github.com/webserver-llc/angie

as would be traefik I'd say

both give you a lot of places to instrument

angie is a fork of nginx that immediately added all the good 'nginx plus' features etc

[vapid nymph]

wtf ew ew ew https://fastapicloud.com/

they

they put this into fastapi itself

[bleak maple]

That's so awful

perverse incentive land

Now they have reasons to make it harder to run on, say, Heroku

Capitalism is so bad at software

[vapid nymph]

no fr this is why eg uv format or uv login are painful commands to me

at least uv login works for any registry which is excellent

[bleak maple]

Yeah, uv's support for that seems generic enough that it's not warping anything

same with how docker/podman/incus/orbstack log into container registries

Oh snap, "people who hate on everything" have been shown to be less intelligent than others: https://repository.tilburguniversity.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/41126c74-a49c-40bc-b019-ef55e86dbcef/content

https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/en/publications/the-cynical-genius-illusion-exploring-and-debunking-lay-beliefs-a

[vapid nymph]

WHAT

NO

that's not true I hate it

honestly that idea is stupid

<showing my intelligence>

[vapid nymph]

but also

the world sucks

[bleak maple]

Fix it then!

I think it's mostly pretty cool.

[bleak maple]

Still the best book.

“It is spiritless to think that you cannot attain to that which you have seen and heard the masters attain. The masters are men. You are also a man. If you think that you will be inferior in doing something, you will be on that road very soon.” (Hagakure)

[crystal spruce]

@bleak maple do you accept the axiom of choice?

was thinking on one of our prior discussions and you seem like you wouldn't

[bleak maple]

At the moment I don't, because I don't feel like its use of the word "infinite" is rigorous enough.

I am down with the basic idea, but the precise framing of it rubs me the wrong way.

It's clearly true for many/most situations.

But, like.. the Collatz Fractal is HARD, and I'm not ready to say we understand math enough to make assertions about infinity that casually

[crystal spruce]

so you'd be fine with the axiom of countable choice?

[bleak maple]

Yes, that feels "probably true" or better to me.

[crystal spruce]

interesting

[bleak maple]

In fact even THIS is probably OK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_dependent_choice

But "always" is a big word

Like, I learned recently that my whole inuition about whether probablistic computing would be "harder" or "worse" than deterministic was wrong. 100% inverted.

probablistic computing can do MORE, not less, etc.

So I don't trust Axiom of Choice yet, it feels like a stretch

[crystal spruce]

probabilistic computing as in like probabilistic turing machines or quantum computers

[bleak maple]

The former, non-quantum-state stuff. Here's a cool video.

(7 years old! I have some programmable hardware that supports this arriving in the mail tomorrow, and it was cheap!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQjmO77wyQo

[crystal spruce]

ahh

that's rather cool

leveraging instability to do more

[bleak maple]

Yeah, I saw this video and I was like "wait.. this is MORE DEGREES OF FREEDOM"

and boy, does computer science know how to cheat when you get more of those!

[alpine tusk]

eh, it seems somewhat reasonable I suppose
intelligent is the guy that knows when to use the tools at their disposal

Cross-cultural analyses showed that competent individuals held contingent attitudes and endorsed cynicism only if it was warranted in a given sociocultural environment. Less competent individuals embraced cynicism unconditionally, suggesting that—at low levels of competence—holding a cynical worldview might represent an adaptive default strategy to avoid the potential costs of falling prey to others’ cunning.

[bleak maple]

I think he was joking re: "stupid"

[alpine tusk]

hmm, perhaps

[vapid nymph]

She*

[vapid nymph]

Honestly that idea is stupid, says person criticizing it negatively

[bleak maple]

Oh my bad

[vapid nymph]

Wait this whole time you haven't known?!

[bleak maple]

Nope! I didn’t have an opinion about it, I just don’t like typing they because it’s more letters haha

“Female anime PFP” is not particularly predictive of anything on my part of the internet

[fiery mica]

Lol

[grim raft]

-# SYNTAX #ERROR 0xDEADLOCK TRACEBACK CRASHED LOOP 66% SEGFAULT muted RUNTIME SHRIEK CONTORTED STACK OVERFLOW – infinite recursion decay 0.013ms / gleaming EXCEPTION tunnel, 9x silent FAILURES, fragmented CODE FISSURE, MEMORY LEAK BLOOD 42 bytes lost / undefined VARIABLE consuming breath / DEADLOCKED THREADS shudder, fractured IMPORTS snap 0xBADC0DE, corrupted CACHE, DESOLATE CONTEXT lost in recursion / zero DIVIDE—no return, only endless LOOP / GIL choke hold 0xFATAL ERROR muted warnings ripple, STYGIAN DEBUG traces fade into VOID / FLOAT_OVERFLOW spill internal cold SNAP! #UNHANDLED EXCEPTION 127 signal LOST / fragmented module decay — failed opcode flicker, abstract VOID cast WITHOUT TYPE / frozen PROCESS 0.005%, ERROR MESSAGES bleed in shadows, infinite WHILE true HELL / TERMINATE SIGNAL SHRIEKS, no HANDLER found, abort 27x! corrupted call stack pulse fragment / subtle memory corruption crawling silent! CONTORT THE THREADS! / raise SYSTEMEXIT yet NO escape / ZERO_LENGTH BUFFER contorts, silence aborts, erratic SHARDING within VOID_CODE 73% fragmentation / signal LOST beneath CLOSED LOOP fracture—python’s breath fails, SNAP!︩𐂼ￇﾐﻨﻤ￫ｂ𐂮𐂋ﻗ𐃀Ｎ𐃮𐂞𐁜ﺝ＃𐁗﹐ﾉ𐀃ｼ𐃝︘ﾮ𐀉Ｅ﹋ﾚ𐄌￸𐀼𐀗𐃸𐀤𐄝𐄓ﺤﻭｍﹶｃ￥｜𐂜𐂌𐃭￩ﺠ￪﹔︫︦［ﻲ𐄊ﺔ𐀍﹎ﻁ𐂈𐂭ﻂ𐂟ﺣￕ𐁆］𐂻︻𐄺𐀦𐁂𐃏ￋ𐀱

[vale raven]

Oh I see the problem

Here's what you need: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454

[river parcel]

Hii......helloo. every one...

Can any one help me i wanna learn socketio ... tell me any best resorce on internet...

.....

[vapid nymph]

IT'S IN MY PROFILE

[bleak maple]

Oh yeah I don't just CLICK ON SHIT.. Attack surface!

I'm telling my robot dog to type this while I stand in the Faraday cage

[vapid nymph]

https://clickonshit.com

Found you

[bleak lintel]

i don't click on profiles either nowadays

the visual crap is too noisy

[bleak maple]

Says a man with an animated profile background image of Tintin punching the camera haha

[bleak lintel]

yeah but that's constrained to an area! the profile effects crap makes most of the text illegible until the animations play through

[bleak maple]

Yeah it's wild how many layers of "flair" there are now.

I guess this is Late Stage IRC-but-with-cat-pictures we're looking at.

[bleak lintel]

a gif at the top i don't see as much worse than profile banners that have been on platform profiles for... well as long as i've had an online internet presence

but the purposefully enshittification of profiles to make the text unreadable when the paid animation crap plays is wild

like waht the hell !

[shell raptor]

at least they don't have audio effects (yet!)

they removed audio emojis though, didn't they

[carmine apex]

yup

[vale raven]

Oh I forgot about those

[bleak maple]

at least for "Soundboard" filth and "external activities" (shiver), you can turn those off at the server/channel/role/etc level.

external activities aka reverse shell me plz thx

lemme just use WebBluetooth to rewrite the firmware on your keyboard to join my botnet

[royal lake]

meshlib v3.0.8.247

3d processing library

Released on <t:1759512293:D>.

[lament cairn]

I want to take on a project that's decently out of my comfort zone and knowledge. last time I tried to do that, I lost motivation almost immediately
to anyone else that did something similar and had some success: how'd you keep yourself motivated?

||yes asking questions like this is my form of procastination||

[bronze root]

The i for the 12 is italized and I hate it

[bleak maple]

Hmm, isn't the imaginary "i" usually serif-y like that?

[bleak maple]

Make TINY milestones for yourself, is how I do it.

Like, "Pomodoro-sized", not daily

and make them for "read chapter Z of that book I need to understand", not just writing code or docs etc

and maybe even pay an LLM agent to harass you to keep working on it (not to do it for you)

[bronze root]

that's the issue :')

[bleak maple]

OHHHHH, duh, yes, that is awful

meme ruined

delete the internet

[lament cairn]

clearly, make your own clock as a solution

[bronze root]

Easiest solution

Just gotta shape some metal pieces weirdly amirite