ot1-perplexing-regexing

[viral parrot]

what if, for every item we count, we have to write a full paper of text before we can count.

[upper flower]

thats very bad

[viral parrot]

and this would take just as long as counting them, because this paper has a list of all the things we have counted and all the things we have not counted

yes, very bad

how bad would it be?

if you count 10 things

and every time you count one thhing, you have too write a paper with all the ten thiings on it.

[upper flower]

hm, thats inefficient

[viral parrot]

yes,, very

but it would take us 100 to coount 10

10*10

or ten square

10**2

[upper flower]

yeah

[viral parrot]

and there are even worse ways to do this

10**3 would be even worse

because counting to ten would take up 1000 times

can you invent something larger?

[upper flower]

we could go as large as we want

10**10

[viral parrot]

yes we could

[upper flower]

but we wouldnt

[viral parrot]

but there are ways to express this, that will make it go even slower, and all of this we can express with mathhematics

instead of 10 we use n

n**2 is bad

but 2**n is even worse

its is way way larger

[upper flower]

yea

ok but whats the point of all this tho

[viral parrot]

the point is to understastand that something takes larger time then others

from constant time to insane long time

[upper flower]

and to reduce that we have complexities?

[viral parrot]

and the point is not how long something takes either.. its how bad it scales

you learn about thhis, so you ccan looook at your code and see.. how bad is my code

if your code is n

[woeful phoenix]

complexities just let you mathematically quantify that slowness
they don't by themselves let you reduce it or anything

[viral parrot]

then its pretty alright

[carmine apex]

and that sometimes, if you have two algorithms and one is faster for your demo case, it may not be faster in prod when it deals with much larger data volumes

[viral parrot]

if your code is n**3 it will be pretty bad.. agree?

[upper flower]

yea

[viral parrot]

you learn about doing this mental gymnastic so you can see if you have slow code, and if you do, you know you have to write it again better

[upper flower]

but u can use them in ur code like apply a specific complexity to improve the code

[upper flower]

i see

[kindred saddle]

Halo

[upper flower]

ight i get it

[woeful phoenix]

no, you can't "apply" a specific complexity. what would that mean?
otherwise I would just "apply" O(1) to my code and boom it's fast. but that's not how it works.

[viral parrot]

it is a practise in your own code understanding and you might not know how to improve, but if your code is n**3 you know your doing it wrong

[upper flower]

thats not what i meant

[viral parrot]

you have to figure out a way to make it faster if you have slow code

if your ccode is already fast, then its really hard to make it faster

[upper flower]

arr = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5];
```If we want to look up what is at index 2, we can get to the element using arr[2] which would give us back 3. This takes just one step. If we double our array… its still the same step

so thats constant complexity

[woeful phoenix]

then?

[viral parrot]

yes. lookup in an array in python is constant

[upper flower]

the arr

ok nevermind

i get the core point

[tardy rain]

What if your array isnt sorted gri

[viral parrot]

if your array is unsorted, how efficient can you sort it?

[woeful phoenix]

I'm not sure what you're reducing in that example
you're just describing the complexity of an array index lookup

[viral parrot]

thats a better question to look into @upper flower

[upper flower]

im thinking ..

[viral parrot]

no, i mean, write your own sort algorthim for doing this, then loook at it and see how fast or sloow it is

if its very slow, make it faster

[upper flower]

if its just an array lets just use the sort function (:

[upper flower]

ok

[viral parrot]

the point is that you should write the coode and see if you can do it better then pythons sort function

or just as fast

[upper flower]

sounds hard but cool

[viral parrot]

yes, its very hard

but important

[upper flower]

also

does the speed of the algo change as u change the language? eg from python to javascript

[viral parrot]

no

the language does not matter

because the ccomplexity iis about how somethiing scales, not how fast it is

if you double the input, do you double the time?

iff yes, then the orriginal speed of the language does not matter

python is in a good place, because all langauges are faster

but if you write your code better, you still beat fast languages

i like to beat the rust folks at work

😄

they are all new too rust, so it is not a fair advantage

someone really good in rust would ofc beat me in time

[upper flower]

def sort():
  arr = [1,4,51,23,6,8]
  arr.sort()
  print(arr)


sort()

[viral parrot]

no

[upper flower]

so you can call this an algorithm?

[viral parrot]

you cant use the sort there

[upper flower]

uh?

[viral parrot]

you have to write it yourself

[upper flower]

heh?

how do i write it myself

what do u mean

[viral parrot]

you cant use .sort

you have to write the algorithm that does it yourself

[upper flower]

HMMM

[bleak maple]

You have to look at it as if you were sorting blocks or letters in the real world, with your hands.. How would you approach that?

[upper flower]

like write a function and then use that function on the array?

[viral parrot]

yes

[upper flower]

but how do i know my sort function is better than python's builtin sort

[viral parrot]

someone called Tim already wrote pythons .sort algorithm

[tardy rain]

It wont be 😩

[viral parrot]

you analyze it

[tardy rain]

Thats why you dont usually implement sorting functions yourself

You do it now for practice and learning

[upper flower]

ok.

[viral parrot]

if its n*2 it is worse... heck if its n it is still worse! 😄

[upper flower]

oh god wait

im so confused hold on

[carmine apex]

honest question why are things that can be radix sorted not radix sorted

[upper flower]

sort()
```so i put the list in the parenthesis here (the sort() is the algo)

is that the basic idea

[viral parrot]

yes, but you cant use .sort

[upper flower]

ok

[bleak maple]

I can think of four reasons:

• space requirements
• constant factors
• data distributions
• hardware

[carmine apex]

like python, sure, you can't say 100% that a list[int] is a list of ints, but statically typed languages, you absolutely can, and ints can be radix sorted, which crushes all comparison sorting algs

[viral parrot]

def gri_sort(my_list: list[int]):
    # coode here
    return my_list

[upper flower]

wait wait wait

so basically sort is like ascending to descending right

[viral parrot]

yes

[upper flower]

HMMMM

[bleak maple]

re: 1, you usually need extra memory for the buckets etc
re: 2, radix sorting is linear in the number of digits or passes, and sometimes that constant is too big for your small data
re: 3, variable-length strings and stuff need potentially multiple passes etc, it's not always super pretty
re: 4, radix sorting is bad at sequential memory access, so actually is expensive on modern hardware

[viral parrot]

uni students normally get a week to solve this problem after learning about this topic @upper flower

[upper flower]

WHAT 💀

im thinking of ..

[bleak maple]

@carmine apex I was feeling lazy so I asked GPT to make a table, and I don't disagree with these words etc, I'm just too lazy to format this myself in Markdown for Discord dialect etc:

[upper flower]

yeah this is insane

i cant think of how to do this

[bleak maple]

I forgot to add "5", re: stability, but that's true also

[viral parrot]

so, keep it in mind, know that there are ways to analyze and thing about how code runs to say how complex it is. and if you write something yourself that is slower than what is possible, you can always do better.

some problems cant be solved faster then normal counting

[upper flower]

right

[viral parrot]

sometimes you dont have a scale to weigh your things

and you have to rely on normal counting

[upper flower]

i should go sleep now idk if i should try to make a sort algo if it takes uni students a week

[bleak maple]

That's a GREAT reason to try, IMO.

[upper flower]

im just a dumb high school guy

[bleak maple]

A week is just to give everybody time to finish given real life schedules etc, it's not gonna necessarily take you that long.

[viral parrot]

i would not use those words, you ask questions and you learn.. thats not characteristics of someone dumb

[bleak maple]

You're never too young to learn to do a thing, unless that's something like power-lifting a massive weight.

[viral parrot]

i did it the morning on the day i had to hand it in! 😄

[upper flower]

ight..

i will try to make it

but gotta sleep now

[bleak maple]

Probably all the top students did that haha

[upper flower]

thanks for the help

bye

[viral parrot]

our pleasure!

[upper flower]

gn

[viral parrot]

and thanks guys for letting me explain my own way!

[bleak maple]

May wolves guard your coffin well!

[viral parrot]

its very easy to want to jump in and hhelp or correct detaiils

[bleak maple]

I'm pretty impressed you didn't run into a "well actually..."

Cool server

[carmine apex]

is this from something

[bleak maple]

Yeah, fun track title from the band "Behemoth", from their "Storming Near the Baltic" album.

[viral parrot]

yeah, music from the 90s

yeah.. behemoth! 😄

[bleak maple]

HAIL THE KVLT

[viral parrot]

did we just show our age @bleak maple ? 😄

[bleak maple]

I think that's, like, my character class on this server haha

[carmine apex]

In July 2007, the All-Polish Committee for Defense Against Sects distributed to many Polish officials a list of bands that allegedly promote Satanism and murder. Critics of this policy primarily see this as a violation of free speech. The list has not gone into effect, and Behemoth were allowed to play in Poland freely. In October 2014 this changed when Behemoth was banned from performing in Poznań.

[viral parrot]

well, you always have Dimmu Borgir 😄

[bleak maple]

This is just street cred in that genre haha

[carmine apex]

i mean i'm reasonably sure most of the folks who like the music in fallout games were not actually alive during the 1940s and such

[bleak maple]

I own a bunch of albums that you aren't even allowed to buy/sell on Discogs

[carmine apex]

can always discover older bands well after their prime

[viral parrot]

sure... but you dont really see anyone changing musical taste after 28ish

[bleak maple]

Oh, I'm an exception personally

numbers next to genres are the number of albums I have of that, top number is the number of genres in my library

Enka rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxzuZJUtDQ

[viral parrot]

those norwegians and their black metal..

oil and black metal! 😄

[bleak maple]

Buddy of mine on the Black Metal Discord just released this, pretty sick: https://frostwitch.bandcamp.com/track/ice-burial

The Discord role setup on that server is hilarious

[raw zephyr]

https://github.com/golang/go/blob/master/src/go/token/token.go#L25

[royal lake]

src/go/token/token.go line 25

literal_beg```

[raw zephyr]

reminds me of this trick from the Golang source code

it feels like such a hack lmao

[round pendant]

is it to then do literal_beg < x < literal_end?

[raw zephyr]

yes

although, I don't think it has *_end "tokens"

[round pendant]

https://github.com/golang/go/blob/master/src/go/token/token.go#L34

[royal lake]

src/go/token/token.go line 34

literal_end```

[raw zephyr]

im blind

[harsh tundra]

Before I read the end, I thought about literal beg and wondered how it's being measured

[jovial oriole]

usually no seasoning

it comes with salt

but it isnt "raw", the can is sterilized in produciton

[bleak maple]

lol I just got invited to the Amazon "Vine" program

Crazy

Is this how the world works now?

lol you can't view the full Vine Review Guidelines until you agree to certain things

I'm sure that's not sketchy at all

[lament cairn]

i bet one of those agreements are "dont call it a dropshipped product"

[bleak maple]

It does say you aren't allowed to say you are a "Vine Voice" when contacting a 3rd-party seller

[bleak maple]

@polar wolf re: that whole jam about money earning etc etc, check this out. The average US worker at a small/medium business generates over $72k toward the GDP.. but note also that it's 6th on this:

(This is like 10 prompts in, the data sources it is allowed to use for this are pretty real etc)

Don't publish a paper or anything, but it's not just a first cut.

[smoky hearth]

Honestly, you can't do it that way

You must look on how much they pay for a full stack in each country

And Germany is not before Denmark

Denmark is not even listed

UK is not that high I promise

[bleak maple]

Yeah it's really tricky, I was arguing with a very USA-rah-rah centric rich friend and trying to find an angle that made him understand the USA isn't the only place where entrepreneurship or however it's spelled, it's late, happens.. that seems to be the only trait he values in humans.

[smoky hearth]

GDP is a too unfocused metric unfortunately

[tardy rain]

Why are we comparing different countries' average salaries for fullstack?

[bleak maple]

This is for all jobs, not fullstack.

I'm investigating small-medium businesses globally to prove a friend is wrong.

[smoky hearth]

https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1n1_PS_6w_TyZPIIts4roJFqr4x2tlv1D?usp=sharing

https://gist.github.com/simwai/e794379a7d94deb215f471a604f82c7e

[bleak maple]

Cool, thank you, how do we explain the Hungary result?

[smoky hearth]

an outlier

xD

or silent fallback i already look on that

pretty cool i can access oecd without api key

and the ai knows the structure already

digital outlook for the north countries looks good

https://gist.github.com/simwai/40e4dc837976db39404d76b156933665

Lol Poland ranks now before US

Surely this is not a 100 % correct result, also zero tested and 95 % AI-generated

But better than nothing

Man this is pretty crazy formula

I definitely should visit Poland one day xD.

Now, I understand Lil Yachty.

[bleak maple]

Doing the PPP adjustment is actually crucial, and a step I forgot. Nice.

[smoky hearth]

Yeah 🙂

That's why Switzerland got downranked

And the north countries

[polar wolf]

So uk is better to live in than usa for software enginners

[smoky hearth]

Because living there is also not that cheap and high tax

No man

UK is trash

they won't pay you good

if you don't have crazy connections or position

[bleak maple]

You would have to pay me in regular shipments of allocated platinum bars to work in the UK.

Like, very regular.

[polar wolf]

Huh

I thought the list had uk above usa for software engineers

[smoky hearth]

yeah that was ai generated

and only looking on gdp

[polar wolf]

Why

[bleak maple]

I should sleep, super complicated, but tl;dr, I'm not down with where they seem to want to go as a society.

Lovely folks etc but government-wise we are drifting apart.

[polar wolf]

Usa and uk are trash

[bleak maple]

In the above statement I am not defending/selling the USA in any way by the way.

Lycia is my favorite nation.

[polar wolf]

Australia?

[bleak maple]

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230906-the-ancient-civilisation-that-inspired-us-democracy

Gonna hike this trail next year if I can fit it in.

[polar wolf]

Ah

[smoky hearth]

xD

that's cool

[bleak maple]

Also Estonia is cool https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250917-the-nordic-escape-you-didnt-know-existed

and Czechia, and Finland

[smoky hearth]

yeah and latvia they have the good girls

[bleak maple]

and riflemen

[smoky hearth]

riflemen?

ah okay like hunters

how good must be poland that it ranks so high, this really arouses my interest

[bleak maple]

Riffing on this pretty kickass metal album https://www.discogs.com/master/221160-Skyforger-Latvian-Riflemen

[solemn tulip]

not sure if they do software jobs

[bleak maple]

That's OK money is dumb.

A nerdy math joke reply today is my most-engaged-with Tweet in a long time

[tardy rain]

Surely taxation isnt as simple as gross * (1-rate)

It definitely isnt right for the UK at least

Or literally any country with progressive taxation

(which is most countries)

[smoky hearth]

I think it is more valid now then before

Before I had PPP adjustment twice

the tax looks still pretty speculated but i know this can't be correct anyway because of the progressive tax model

[bleak maple]

This is starting to look more plausible ranking-wise to me. Nice.

[smoky hearth]

i try now to get the cost of living index better because that is also hardcoded

Pretty cool

To see how the formula changes the output

very nice that you can grab that all easily from kagglehub for free

But that Austria ranks so high is really strange for me personal

Because I live in Austria and it doesn't feel like that xD

[tardy rain]

Where do you feel it ranks

[smoky hearth]

below germany above uk

[tardy rain]

Some of those net values seem off

[smoky hearth]

feel free to check out the version on the bottom. i can add your patch.

or you can copy and modify and reshare it

i didn't check it in-depth

i think creating statistics for the government isnt that bad job

i swear it would be badass to add something to ai to check urls before it writes them to see if they are available and deliver what is expected or run scripts for you and evaluates the result but not in agent mode

[open cliff]

try to right-align the numbers. this should fix the table (cells) shift.

 1. xxx 
 2. xxx 
 3. xxx
 4. xxx 
...
10. xxx
11. xxx
12. xxx
```instead of
```fix
1. xxx
2. xxx
3. xxx
4. xxx 
...
10. xxx
11. xxx 
12. xxx

Additionally look into using the thousand separator format (,)

!eval

a = [1937363826, 29374628220, 39473, 46372, 22344]

m = max((k:=len(str(i))) + k//3 for i in a)

print(*[f"$ {n:>{m},}" for n in a], sep="\n")

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | $  1,937,363,826
002 | $ 29,374,628,220
003 | $         39,473
004 | $         46,372
005 | $         22,344

[smoky hearth]

there is too much pymagic involved for this fellah here

k:=len at that positions looks ridiculous for me as ts main

I am also not well schooled in these special string stuff of python

but thanks

[harsh tundra]

https://fstring.help/

[bleak maple]

I guess starting today my career seems to be exiting the "normal stuff people might believe" phase and into dark waters. This should be fun; I hope I know how to swim.

[uneven pine]

Why are we moving over here?

[bleak maple]

Oh the other convo seemed unrelated to that

[worthy oracle]

my joke too lame

[uneven pine]

undergreatable, have a stand day.

[bleak maple]

Easily the craziest advice I've seen from Deep Research yet.

But I am, yeah, actually going to do that.

"Sell me on why this is the road ahead, here's how I see it."

[tardy rain]

Lmao it worked

Master manipulator here

AMA

[uneven prism]

does anyone know @fathom hazel

[bleak maple]

What's everybody's favorite programmer joke?

[uneven prism]

hey defiler do u know @fathom hazel

??

[bleak maple]

For me it's probably: "Jeff Dean puts his pants on one leg at a time like anybody else. But if you look closely, his approach scales better for leg counts above 2."

[bleak maple]

Nope, this server is my only mutual one with that user.

[uneven prism]

ok

[royal lake]

@solid pollen

It has arrived!

Here's your reminder: both still here?
[Jump back to when you created the reminder](#ot1-perplexing-regexing message)

[solid pollen]

@narrow pecan are you?

[wooden silo]

Neither of you are, from what I've seen lately.

[narrow pecan]

Yep, still here! How you doing nowadays?

!remind @solid pollen 5y both still here?

[royal lake]

Aye aye, cap'n!

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1917105488:F>!

ID: 8055

[acoustic moss]

2020 holy hell

[smoky hearth]

When they saw Redux in the deps...

[bleak maple]

IMO this is really cool: https://vxtwitter.com/phalgooon/status/1973355756931129518

Phalgun (@phalgooon)

incredible things happened today with someone who hacked into my extension to make it work without a paid subscription

The hack? intercept all server calls locally and return values the extension would expect from a paid user https://t.co/AJLI1MILpL

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 1, 2025, 11:54 AM

[lament cairn]

muffled screaming

[lament cairn]

that hack sounds both neat and pretty simple
interesting they still bothered to handle it politely

most companies and ppl would be like
"Hi,
Cease and desist for you.

Go to hell,
<name>"

[bleak maple]

Yeah, I've never heard of the product but this post made me gain some respect for it.

[vale raven]

There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things, off-by-one errors

[vale raven]

There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things, off-by-one errors

Oh, and concurrency

[bleak maple]

Well played, that's my second and third favorites right there.

[vapid nymph]

Holy shit wow

[languid cargo]

Excellent work sir.

[vale raven]

Thanks

[bleak lintel]

good to know the reminders system works lol

[solid pollen]

Hey!

[solid pollen]

I'm somewhat impressed it can still process 5y old data

[solid pollen]

Doing very well, been doing some exciting stuff in the yugioh scene, how about you?

I keep forgetting to unmute this server and move it up my server list

I should hang out in here every so often

[shell raptor]

Any book recommendations for learning modern C code?

[uneven pine]

Does modern C truly exist?

[shell raptor]

Well... atomics didn't exist in 1972, did they

[jaunty wraith]

perhaps https://gustedt.gitlabpages.inria.fr/modern-c/

[shell raptor]

ooh free book

[shell raptor]

How does this book differ from Effective C?

[jaunty wraith]

from the ToC, Effective C seems like something you'd recommend to someone new to C, while Modern C you'd recommend to someone familiar with C, but wants to know what's new in C23

[shell raptor]

ah

I'm probably in the former category

[wooden silo]

Heya!

[jaunty wraith]

you could just read both ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sturdy heart]

hi gus

is dr angela yu 100 day python a good course ?

[woeful phoenix]

not really
Modern C is perhaps a bit much for someone entirely new to programming, but it does not assume prior familiarity with C itself

[jaunty wraith]

okay, yeah
I was going off the basic ToC on the Manning page for the book, but the detailed ToC does seem like it covers the basics too

[jaunty wraith]

@shell raptor

[shell raptor]

Any idea why clang doesn't complain about the banana call here? ```c
#include <stdio.h>

void banana(int *restrict pa, int *restrict pb) {
*pa = *pb + 1;
*pa = *pb + 1;
}

int main() {
int a = 21;
banana(&a, &a);
printf("New value of a: %d\n", a);
return 0;
}

$ clang -O3 -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic -std=c23 main.c 
$
*silence*

gcc does complain... ```
$ gcc -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic -std=c23 main.c
main.c: In function ‘main’:
main.c:9:10: warning: passing argument 1 to ‘restrict’-qualified parameter aliases with argument 2 [-Wrestrict]
9 | banana(&a, &a);
| ^~ ~~

[solemn tulip]

the ping for "hey you should look this" but @silent is interesting

[jaunty wraith]

the intention was so he can take a look later

[solemn tulip]

do silent pings show up in mentions?

[undone granite]

@solemn tulip only one way to find out

[solemn tulip]

Seems like yes, TIL

[uneven pine]

Silent pings????

[jaunty wraith]

yeah

[jaunty wraith]

well, actually, this

[uneven pine]

Explain?

[jaunty wraith]

start the message with @silent and it will not send a notification for any mentions

[brazen ingot]

ħ

[solemn tulip]

@uneven pine
@silent @luckayla

[uneven pine]

Huh

What's supposed to be silent about it

I still get pings

Also what about all the people named silent

How does that work

[solemn tulip]

actually, my one might have been because of the reply

I might have missed unchecking the box

@uneven pine this shouldn't ping you, but will still be listed in your mentions

[uneven pine]

It definitely still pinged me

I mean

[solemn tulip]

[uneven pine]

As pingy as it can get

[jaunty wraith]

does this notify you?

[uneven pine]

Seems virtually useless if all it does is what, turn the sound off?

I still get the toast notification

[solemn tulip]

notify as in it's listed in notifications

audible ping idk, I was viewing the channel already

[jaunty wraith]

no, notify as in you got a desktop/mobile notification

[jaunty wraith]

it's meant to mention someone without waking them up, I think

[tardy rain]

Wake me up inside

[dull cliff]

I'm not too into the AI thing. (reading the conversation on #python-discussion).

AI lacks context. I definitely think much learning comes from tinkering and making stuff.

[uneven pine]

If your discord wakes you up that's a you problem lol

Lrn2cfg

[dull cliff]

I hope I'm in the right channel for this kind of discussion and I didn't wake anyone up. 🙂

[dapper dew]

You are good man

I think pings are the only way to get discord to wake someone up

I don't think that unread channels send notifications

[willow narwhal]

You can configure channels to ping you, can't you?

[dapper dew]

TIL

[uneven pine]

That's actually the default for discord

And some psychos just leave it like that

You can set it to not do that by default in server settings though

A lot of server owners don't for whatever reason

I remember the great everyone ping, someone was angry because they had that set and their phone kept crashing because of the notification spam.

[bleak maple]

Yeah I have exactly one low traffic server run by a friend that I leave set that way

[narrow pecan]

That’s nice! I’m doing quite well too. Working on some big projects right now

[narrow pecan]

Yeah, it’s really nice for friend servers and when you use discord for uni projects or communities

[solid pollen]

omg I remembered to unmute this server and move it up the channel list

[bleak maple]

I love this current channel title.

[solid pollen]

is bast still around

[vapid nymph]

@coral void? No they died last night.

Sorry you had to find out this way @solid pollen

[coral void]

[solid pollen]

[vapid nymph]

Jesus between the two of you have over 20 mutual friends and 40 mutual guilds

[solid pollen]

lol makes sense

[bleak maple]

Setting your junior engineers up with AI coding tools:

[solid pollen]

what could go wrong, worst case scenario the tool uninstalls itself

[bleak maple]

best-case

[solid pollen]

you're not wrong

although to be fair

[bleak maple]

I really don't like junior/senior as ideas much but I don't have a great replacement.

[solid pollen]

if bad AI code coming from a junior on a critical piece of your infrastructure gets to prod, you have a real procedure issue

[bleak maple]

To me, I will take a junior with the "Beginner's Mind" before I take a senior who has forgotten that.

[solid pollen]

absolutely

[bleak maple]

Fewer horrible takes to un-learn? Sold, when can you start?

In an interview, if somebody asks me what I think of OOP, I look around and say "Is this a safe space?"

[solid pollen]

that'd be a weird ass interview question

[bleak maple]

I've had it

More people should read this https://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Object-Oriented-Languages-Types-Semantics/dp/026202523X/

This is what made me understand that I wasn't down with the model, at a pretty fundamental level.

I didn't really understand subtype relationships at all until I onboarded this book's ideas.

contravariance is nasty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covariance_and_contravariance_(computer_science)

The way I think about it circa 2025 is that I need my programming language to understand the "preference for symmetry" that computer hardware has.

And OOP violates that preference in a bunch of ways.

Examples of how we exploit that symmetry preference: swizzling for data structures, warp specialization for GPU programming

[coral void]

Yep. It's been.. a lot of up and downs irl, but still around.

Makes me smile when my otns come up

[bleak maple]

I thought of a pretty fun new question for Site Reliability Engineer interviews

"If I told you that I think that agentless config management is a false promise, what would you say to that?"

[vale raven]

So Ansible is just a non starter?

Counter question: What does an agent give you that “just running your Ansible playbook more often” doesn’t?

Microsoft recently released that exact feature — a scheduled task every ~30 minutes that just downloads and applies Group Policy again
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/book/operating-system-security-system-security#-config-refresh

[bleak maple]

Scale, and much more importantly, the ability to use it in network architectures where you can't just connect directly to everything.

The latter is often missed but many large real networks have blast radius protection.

The new thing I'm just starting to contribute to lets you do it all, so you can build a seamless flow that starts agentless to bootstrap, configures agents, then turns off the access that the agentless mode needed forever and drops the mic.

Which means you can use it in agentless forever for small stuff, but be using the same tool exactly when you need to go hyper.

The creator had ONLY USED ANSIBLE BEFORE, and still managed to "get" that it was offering something very challenging in practice, and then designed something better! So much talent.

I had to use like 18 different config management tools to come to this understanding

right now it has the garbage name of duxcore, but I just convinced the creator to rename it to something better that isn't taken, so we're off to the races

I won't say what yet until he finishes registering the crate because I don't want it sniped

[vale raven]

At least link the repo

so I can sapm issues about our lord and savior Ansible

[vale raven]

"any REAL thing is done my way" precludes the entire possibility of other people having different opinions

[bleak maple]

Sorry, I don't mean it that way, just that every large-scale network deployment I've seen has had some kind of non-homogenity to it.

I'll edit that phrasing

[vale raven]

(not attacking, just countering)

[bleak maple]

No you're right, that was sloppy.

[vale raven]

count-er-ing

[bleak maple]

I like to live intentionally.

[vale raven]

count...

fuckit

"debating"

can't speel

[bleak maple]

But basically I made this pitch to the very attentive, very engaged SaltStack sales team after we signed the contract at my last company

and they were like.. "Oh. Uhh. Whoops?"

We ended up having to write our own complex solution to avoid multi-master.

But duxcore just outright saw through that abstraction problem and never got tangled with it, which I think is beautiful even if agentless mode is what suits your deployment.

[bleak maple]

I will as soon as the rename is complete, I actually don't want to create any more indexable content that points at the garbage current name haha

Just finished registering the GitHub org for it

[vale raven]

oohhh I love new org day

How many are you up to?

I don't understand how you don't have the exact same problem just in reverse with your proposition
"we can't push because the host can't see the clients"
"we need to pull because the clients can see the host"
Suddenly everyone can see everyone again

IMO, any arguments you make for allowing network access one way can also be made for the other way

[bleak maple]

Wow nothing like this many!

I'm only still in the Epic Games one (Unreal Engine source code access), the PyDis one, and the Rubinius one.

[bleak maple]

OK, here's the crate.. creator is in France so he had to go to sleep, but he registered it finally https://crates.io/crates/regent-sdk

[vale raven]

Ah finally
Please accept my request to be a maintainer, tanks

That's a neat embed

Oh damn

This has got stacks of artsy diagrams

[bleak maple]

Yeah, that's the interesting part so far, I don't care how good the implementation is

The idea though, of being able to embed a LIBRARY not a CLI into things to do config management, and that it should be flexible enough to support all the paradigms.. that's

https://github.com/regent-project is what I registered today

made the logo in Midjourney + Photoshop

We'll need a new one that is more Iron-Crown-of-Lombardy-y, I made that before we picked the name

Just that the old logo was trash

[vale raven]

Man

You sure do hate everything about this poor French dude's project

I see his existing GitHub repo says it's a mirror of the GitLab one
Is he migrating to GitHub now?

[bleak maple]

We haven't decided yet, I just wanted to squat on the name and have a redirect either way etc.

GitLab seems fine, maybe we'll stay there, it's his call, I don't want to change anything he doesn't want to see change.

but, I mean, this was the logo

Come now, friends.

[vale raven]

It’s nice

I like it

[bleak maple]

That's a sad single arm representing a thing that is multi-paradigm and interconnected.

The robot looks sad to me.

[vale raven]

It looks like a dying skeleton is hanging upside down

Thanks Lance

[bleak maple]

Old book list I made, found going through my gists oldest to newest.. this was 2015 but I stand by these recs

The Unfettered Mind
  http://www.amazon.com/The-Unfettered-Mind-Swordsman-ebook/dp/B0088Q9RRK/
Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns
  http://www.amazon.com/Smalltalk-Best-Practice-Patterns-ebook/dp/B00BBDLIME/
Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming
  http://www.amazon.com/Concepts-Techniques-Computer-Programming-ebook/dp/B008H5Q8KQ/
The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
  http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Swan-Improbable-ebook/dp/B00139XTG4/
The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
  http://www.amazon.com/The-Doing-Science-Engineering-ebook/dp/B000P2XFPA/
The 33 Strategies of War
  http://www.amazon.com/Strategies-Joost-Elffers-Books-ebook/dp/B000W9149K/
Etudes for Programmers
  http://www.amazon.com/Etudes-Programmers-Charles-Wetherell/dp/0132918072/
On Combat, The Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict
  http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Psychology-Physiology-Conflict-ebook/dp/B008068P8K/
The Book of Five Rings
  http://www.amazon.com/Book-Five-Rings-ebook/dp/B007V3FHRU/
Expert C Programming: Deep C Secrets
  http://www.amazon.com/Expert-Programming-Peter-van-Linden/dp/0131774298/
Silence on the Wire
  http://www.amazon.com/Silence-Wire-Reconnaissance-Indirect-ebook/dp/B008FRNHVY/
Foundations of Object-Oriented Languages
  http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Object-Oriented-Languages-Types-Semantics/dp/026202523X/
How We Decide
  http://www.amazon.com/How-We-Decide-ebook/dp/B003WMAAMG
Thinking, Fast and Slow
  http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-and-Slow-ebook/dp/B00555X8OA/
Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book
  http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Abrashs-Graphics-Programming-Special/dp/1576101746/
Cryptography Engineering: Design Principes and Practical Applications
  http://www.amazon.com/Cryptography-Engineering-Principles-Applications-ebook/dp/B004NSW9JU/
Virtual Machines: Versatile Platforms for Systems and Processes
  http://www.amazon.com/Virtual-Machines-Versatile-Architecture-ebook/dp/B006NV2EO0/
Game Engine Architecture
  http://www.amazon.com/Game-Engine-Architecture-ebook/dp/B007COYRJM/

Order is load-bearing.

There's probably a better Virtual Machines book now, or at least newer. The rest is pretty evergreen.

The Art of Doing Science and Engineering is a masterwork.

[vapid nymph]

I don't remember what they use but I forgot

I figure that's helpful

[undone granite]

I remember when they announced it, https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/07/11/crates-io-development-update-2025-07/

https://crates.io/crates/crates_io_og_image

[smoky hearth]

Just askin how do you structure your projects? grouped by type like all events in events folder, grouped by feature like one folder per feature (sounds really horrible) or grouped by layer like domain layer etc (sounds also pretty horrible with these weird layer names)

I think this structure looks pretty cool.

[wooden silo]

Grouping by feature works best in my experience.

It's not horrible at all.

Because you tend to work with one feature at a time.

If you group by type, you gotta jump around the project tree all the time.

If you group by feature, you have all relevant code in the same place.

[smoky hearth]

i have the fear that not each feature is big enough to get an own folder. i mean what's a feature basically? it's not like one user problem -> one feature.

but how would you define the minimum size needed for a feature to get a folder

at the moment i tend to use a mix of folder names like services, db, llm, events

maybe you could call it group by intuitive domain xD

[wooden silo]

You can just wing it and it tends to work out.

It's not the end of the world if the structure you choose is not optimal.

And you can restructure later if you want.

[smoky hearth]

all these examples group it by feature

[smoky hearth]

yeah sure just saves much work to figure that out before

[wooden silo]

The point is just to reduce the degree to which you gotta scroll up and down your file tree and search for files in a completely different location.

[wooden silo]

I think you gotta screw up really badly in order to waste "much work"

[smoky hearth]

hm ok

I guess then I continue reading my book

[jaunty wraith]

why is this called screaming architecture?

[bleak maple]

Screaming architecture is a term coined by Robert Martin (Uncle Bob). He argues that a software system's structure should communicate what the system is about. He draws a parallel between looking at a blueprint for a building, where you can tell the purpose of the building based on the blueprint.
I actually kinda guessed it was a Bob Martin thing.

I agree with him so infrequently it's wild.

He argues that a software system's structure should communicate what the system is about.

What even is this sentence, does anybody disagree with this idea, to argue against?

"Murdering innocent children is bad, Defiler argues."

[tardy rain]

But are children ever innocent

Little shits

[wooden silo]

It's hard to disagree with when stated like that, but it might be more useful as a smoke test for your own structure, especially if you're more of a novice.

Is it easier to figure out what the system does if you organize by type or by feature? Probably the latter.

[bleak maple]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with the suggestions really, it's just that it all feels like a "corollary to Conway's Law" that we were already striving to do our best on?

[smoky hearth]

Yeah I also see him always with a salt of grain

I like Martin Fowler and Uncle Bob, but you always must validate if you comply with their pilosophy

depending on the principle you look at

[wooden silo]

Well, not everyone were already striving to do their best in that regard, new programmers appear all the time and they gotta learn everything from scratch.

[wooden silo]

Seems like a good idea no matter who you read.

[smoky hearth]

yes

which tool can you recommend for automatic document generation in ts projects

[tardy rain]

An intern of choice

[upper flower]

typical mar behavior

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[tardy rain]

Have you ever met a child gri

[upper flower]

yk im also a child

[tardy rain]

Exactly

[upper flower]

i mean idk if being 16 takes me out of that

u can call me a pre teenager i guess

but talking about actual children like 7 - 8

yeah they suck

[tardy rain]

Youre fully a teenager

[upper flower]

make my blood boil

[upper flower]

i will take that as a compliment

[tardy rain]

🤨

I mean its not an insult

[upper flower]

really

i think being a teenager sucks

infact life as a whole is shit

also

i fucking survived

i got 22/25 even though i predicted 19/25 in math

but i played wise here

i did a long question, i got the answer right but the method was wrong

and luckily he didnt notice lol

it was to get trivial homogenous solutions (0,0,0)

[undone thorn]

ah

[upper flower]

i performed a row operation 18 + R3 which is illegal lol

since that would cause the 0 in the R3 on the left and bottom most side to be 18 but I kept it 0 hoping the teacher wont see it

and boom it worked out

i cant believe im this smart

[undone thorn]

on the bright side

this is all math you will probably never do again in your life

[upper flower]

yes

just gotta get thru

i dont know if i should say my brain works in the most needed moments or the most useless moments

im also confused on whether i should be proud of myself or not

[undone thorn]

did you put in effort to achieve the result you got?

and was it the result you wanted?

if the answer to both is yes then obviously you should be proud of yourself

[upper flower]

i did put effort but i fucked up in the long question which i thought i will get wrong but my brain worked and i got it right even though it was wrong

[upper flower]

tbh i'd be satisfied with a 20 so yes

[undone thorn]

so is the implication that you should only be proud of things you do that are perfect?

sounds like you'll never be proud of yourself

[upper flower]

no

i meant if i had gotten that one wrong i wouldnt reach the 20 mark

it would be 17/25

[undone thorn]

why care about what didn't happen

[upper flower]

erm

[undone thorn]

how is that information useful to you at all to improve or reflect on

what could you gather from that

[upper flower]

it did happen yk i got what i wanted

[upper flower]

i guess just prepare better

[undone thorn]

there you go then, take that lesson and be proud of yourself nonetheless

[upper flower]

xd okay

[wooden silo]

As a teenager your hormones are going haywire, so I wouldn't gauge your whole life based on what's going on right now

It just tends to feel pretty different once those hormones settle down

[upper flower]

and when do those hormones settle down...

[wooden silo]

Early to mid 20s for boys

A bit earlier for girls

[upper flower]

i see

[tardy rain]

Im 29 and i still dont feel like an adult

At least i dont do cringe shit anymore

Those were difficult times

[wooden silo]

I feel like an adult since I had a child.

It puts a hard limit on how much you can fuck around and mess up.

[tardy rain]

I dont think its in the plans for us to have kids

Does that mean i can keep fucking around

[wooden silo]

I mean, yeah

[tardy rain]

Excellent

[wooden silo]

You're not gonna have a defenseless innocent human being die on your watch if you mess up too much.

[tardy rain]

No spawn of mine would ever be defenseless

[wooden silo]

So you're spared from that nightmare scenario.

[vale raven]

It’s a required detriment for the first 10 years or so

Takes forever to get enough skill points to upgrade

[wooden silo]

Human children are notoriously incompetent and useless

Compared to almost all other species

[stark prawn]

Reminds me of this quote

How come humans have only so few years to live, but spend most of the time doing it wrong

I mean learning how to life

[wooden silo]

It seems to be evolutionarily advantageous

Our big brains are worth the upfront time and resource investment

For the purposes of survival and reproduction

[alpine tusk]

a pretty risky play tbf

[wooden silo]

You'd think so, but the results speak for themselves

[alpine tusk]

though nevermind, it's not like we were dropped with this disadvantage out of the blue into the wilderness

[wooden silo]

Yeah, it'd be tough to bootstrap with our current specs

We kinda rely on our pre-existing knowledge base and social structures

[alpine tusk]

can't wait till we get synthetic super intelligence

[wooden silo]

I'm kinda fine without it

[alpine tusk]

all we have to do is just grow a human brain, but bigger

[alpine tusk]

you might be finer with it

[wooden silo]

Even if it turns out to be benevolent, it feels very uncertain how the future with it will turn out

I'm quite happy right now though

If we get the best case scenario where we can go beyond scarcity and end wars and human suffering, that'd be great. But there's just so many things that can go wrong in an uncontrollable way.

[stark prawn]

I don't see it going well under capitalism\

[wooden silo]

Yeah, it doesn't feel too good to have US and Chinese tech giants at the helm of this type of venture.

[alpine tusk]

would you rather it's left unexplored for the time being?

[harsh tundra]

Not only those. They're just pinnacle of what happens under capitalism, with authoritarian regime and enough propaganda

[wooden silo]

Yes. If I could have my way, immediate policy-level restrictions on AI research, then proceed in a very careful and controlled manner with a ton of oversight.

[alpine tusk]

that makes sense

[uneven pine]

Knock the spam off

[thick ore]

choose my programming language? python

obviously

[vale raven]

What about Rust BTW?

[thick ore]

rust is a must

[alpine tusk]

wrong channel, banned

[timid latch]

🦀

[mossy mango]

I need to rant about build systems

I thought cmake is supposed to embody best practices for C projects and be better than autotools and stuff

so why does it use recursive make? and even worse than that, it splits out everything into hidden directories (like a shadow directory tree) and writes random text files with lists of arguments for linker commands and stuff

I'm not a fan of autotools but I think it actually works more predictably and is more straightforward than cmake

grrr

also I figured out why I wasn't able to change the compiler to gcc for this one project.. it was because the CMakeLists.txt had a line near the beginning that just set the C compiler to cmake. so everything I specified using the standard options to cmake failed.

I was able to delete that and then everything built (after I installed some random unit test development library that cmake didn't detect was needed and that I didn't have during the configure step, which I thought was one of the main jobs of a configure step)

check and libsubunit-dev

of course now I have a different issue to solve, but well, at least I have the code executing

my goal is to make a python library that wraps ctypes and lets you link a C++ function with its actual demangled name instead of having to do cdll["_Znstd4cRb_tree4Cstdx..."] in your python code

[graceful basin]

Cmake is miserable, tho you really shouldn't be using make with it at all these days.

[mossy mango]

what would you suggest using instead?

[graceful basin]

Typically ninja, or cmake --build (which will typically call ninja or make)

[mossy mango]

I don't know if I actually mentioned it or not but the main issue I have with it is that it's using recursive make

ah, ok, I forgot you could specific it to use ninja to be honest

[mossy mango]

if I can get this working I think it would also enable you to use the same code to link a C++ library function on Linux and Windows

since Windows uses a different mangling scheme

(Windows' is horrible btw, it uses $, ?, and @ in the names, I'm not sure why they decided they had to add characters that are usually illegal but it's rather unpleasant)

also since the prototype would have all the argument types in it, and it's being parsed to generate the mangled name, it should in theory let me automatically come up with the argtypes that ctypes needs to safely call the function

anyway, hopefully I'll be able to make it all work, I think it would make interoperating with C++ code a lot nicer of an experience

thanks for listening to my rant 💚

[upper flower]

java:

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[smoky hearth]

stop hacking uber xD

[smoky hearth]

is it at least tail optimized

[royal lake]

@wheat lynx

It has arrived!

Here's your reminder: How’s life? Part 5, the sequel to the sequel to the threequel
[Jump back to when you created the reminder](#ot1-perplexing-regexing message)

[undone granite]

this dates back to 2020, impressive

[vapid nymph]

thanks, finally remembered to sign up this year

[shell raptor]

Did octoberfest become less annoying for open source projects?

oh, projects now have to manually tag themselves as hacktoberfect

[mossy mango]

uber?? lol

[mossy mango]

I haven't looked lol

[bleak maple]

Finally arrived!

[green breach]

What is that book about?

[bleak maple]

The Black Metal music genre, and how it came about, and how it got to where we are today.

"The Evolution of the Cult"

[green breach]

Huh, forgive my ignorance but what is Black Metal?

[bleak maple]

https://store.decibelmagazine.com/collections/books/products/black-metal-evolution-of-the-cult-decibel-books-edition

It's a genre of metal music characterized by harsh vocals, virtuoso guitars that sound weird and eerie, and supernatural themes etc.

Random example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8Gz1Jj12J8

Band's name is pronounced "Agh Uh Lock", it's a type of sacred incense made from wood etc.

I've seen these guys live like 4 or 5 times now, so lovely.

On the extreme end of this genre there's stuff that scarcely sounds like music to the uninitiated, but I won't torment you with links to that.

Sólstafir is an Icelandic (and therefore also Old Norse) word that means "sun-staves", and it's an allusion to crepuscular rays, the rays of sunlight that radiate from a single point in the sky when the Sun is behind clouds or below the horizon.

[shell raptor]

Sólstafir is also the name of a different band

[bleak maple]

Yeah, a cool one.

And for a different angle on this genre, to show some of what it covers https://bergthron.bandcamp.com/album/exp-autarktis

[digital granite]

like sugar on my tongue

tongue

tongue

her body is so milf

milf

milf

[late orchid]

sup

[digital granite]

invite me if she comes

cums

comes

[late orchid]

erm what

[bleak maple]

I just looked up what my smartest childhood friend is doing, and his title at NASA was "AI and Autonomy Solver-in-Residence". I'm not 100% OK with that yet.

[rough sapphire]

Hi

[dusky depot]

.

M

?

M

[bleak maple]

What in laser-space-hell are WebUSB and WebHID?

"Web Bluetooth" sounds like it comes with a free Advanced Persistent Threat in the box.

[vapid nymph]

Have you ever used QMK?

[bleak maple]

Oh, the keyboard config thing? I guess it makes sense that it uses that.

[vapid nymph]

Yeah

Or configured an ESP32 that had a browser config

[bleak maple]

My Swedish friend can thumb type without prediction, just correction, at 300 CPM.... He says Dvorak is "accidentally the best layout for thumb typing":

Kinda not OK with that.

[vapid nymph]

Lol

[bleak maple]

I'm pretty quick on the phone keyboards, not as fast as I was with the best version of PalmOS Graffiti, but dang I'm not 300cpm.

[vapid nymph]

What the heck is my name set to

What is a @vapid nymph

[bleak maple]

A spicy adventure.

Macera is adventure/quest in Turkish.

I assumed that was the joke.

[vapid nymph]

It is?!

[bleak maple]

Hai

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/macera

[vapid nymph]

Ok let's give this a shot

[bleak maple]

(Turkish at bottom)

[vapid nymph]

Dvorak

Why is it laid out like this

Ow

Hard layout

[sharp jasper]

I'd tend to assume the Iberian interpretation (softened by soaking in liquid) given the context implied by "chilli"

[lament cairn]

firefox is doing the right thing

(source: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/)

[bleak maple]

Sure, but it's common to mix languages in jokes IMO etc.

[sharp jasper]

why someone would name themselves "macerated pepper" now is another question

[bleak maple]

Yeah I actually agree.

[bleak maple]

I like Spicy Adventure better 🙂

[harsh tundra]

There are layouts specifically designed for thumb typing. I remember a 9-grid with drag

[sharp jasper]

It's fine, but seems post facto.

[lament cairn]

these reasons also apply to web bluetooth, which seems to be even worse than webhid and webusb

[opaque merlin]

Helo friends

[vapid nymph]

In my case it was while two people couldn't ever remember my name

[bleak maple]

I'm not too worried about the ontology of joke handles on text chat, but I get you.

[vapid nymph]

And I was thinking of superstarify

So it's supposed to look like something you'd think is a singer name

[harsh tundra]

It was created in pre-computer times, that's why it doesn't keep common computer shortcuts in place (like Colemak does). Dvorak actually had to make special typewriters to prove his layout is better than qwerty. It's optimised for English.
The layout above seems to be Dvorak-inspired layout for Swedish, not original Dvorak for English

[bleak maple]

Yeah, my buddy there runs like 4 or 5 "layers" on his custom main desktop keyboard, and his keycaps are Linear A script. He's a special boy.

[vapid nymph]

Ah so Colemak is better than dvork

[bleak maple]

If not for his struggles in the real world etc everybody would have heard of him, he's smart enough to be a Torvalds or something.

[sharp jasper]

dvorak was designed to alternate hands frequently in typing, iirc.
that would make sense that it works well for thumb typing because of that

am a colemak enthusiast myself

[vapid nymph]

Learning three new layouts for fun brb

[bleak maple]

Sadly a few of my friends are like that; spending too much effort on surviving mental illness to change the world, but otherwise capable of doing so.

[vapid nymph]

Me!

[bleak maple]

I'm on some really amazing private GitHub repos of this friend in particular, some of his ideas are incredible.

IMO he has the only secure Linux container stack in production that I've seen.

[vale raven]

I could probably do something fancy
But my mentall illness keeps me from feeling capable of doing so

[bleak maple]

He pre-seeds the secrets in the container in a really badass way with a thing he wrote in Zig etc.

[bleak maple]

Currently-playing metal song says it well; "This way, Kings die. Let's fly!"

[vapid nymph]

I should learn more languages

And finish my embedded project

[bleak maple]

1000%, Google for OCaml, Agda, Idris

Every language you learn is another sturdy place to stand attached to the cliff face you are edging along.

[harsh tundra]

Only 5 layers? Noob
https://dreymar.colemak.org/layers-extend.html extend layer for power
And altgr layer with 19 dead keys that activate layers (each with a shift layer as well) https://dreymar.colemak.org/layers-main.html#deadkeys

[vapid nymph]

I have a project written in vite that gets compiled onto a microcontroller

[bleak maple]

In the name of Odin!

[vapid nymph]

Using some c code that bundles the built files

[harsh tundra]

Dreymar is either Swedish or Norwegian, so it matches XD

[bleak maple]

This "use Alt-Gr to unlock infinite layer keys" meme is hilarious haha

"Where we're going, we won't NEED roads..."

[harsh tundra]

And the dead keys on altgr layer are not in letter places, so you can easily tweak the altgr layer to include your standard altgr diacritics (e.g. Polish qwerty has all diacritics under altgr)

[bleak maple]

Is my buddy's take haha

[vapid nymph]

Tell them I'm learning Colemak just to spite them

Also I love RFC 2549

[uneven pine]

I did give dvorak the ol college try back when I was 17

I spent about a month with it before I gave up

[bleak maple]

I guess I may be a nerd. https://vxtwitter.com/defiler/status/1974504153054429443?s=46

Wilson Bilkovich (@defiler)

I guess I am actually making a fully-custom RPG setting and rulebook at last. Sci-Fi near future setting, not diceless, but dice only ever represent chaos or outside intervention, not character capabilities, and you earn the dice through role-playing.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 4, 2025, 3:57 PM

[sharp jasper]

I switch between colemak and qwerty pretty seamlessly, but when someone else borrows your computer there's always that moment of "wait what's wrong with your keyboard?" / "oh, sorry"

had that moment with a dvorak user once, it was funny

[ripe birch]

Why do y'all use non-qwerty tho?
Is it that nice to the fingers or wut

Don't answer efficiency cuz if ur tryna save time typing, then ur a nerd /hj

[tardy rain]

Efficiemcy

I also replaced all my shoes for slip ons for quick access

And uh, velcro instead of belts

[harsh tundra]

Your friend sounds like they got some kind of superiority complex by how they speak about colemak users vs Dvorak.

Colemak folks on the forums are actually quite open to all keyboard optimisations, not just colemak itself. 🤷 Dreymar's layers can be applied to any layout, especially that extend layer is used by a lot of people.

There are also tools to measure finger distance covered and colemak is actually better for a wider group of languages + as I said, it keeps common keyboard shortcuts (cyrl+azxcv) in standard place (and shifts s only one position, so ctrl+s is also basically free). Usage of the keyboard is not only measured by the "easier to learn" aspect, but ease of usage in daily life. There are even layouts for programmers (keep various brackets in easier places).

The fact that Dvorak for Swedish exists as a "standard" is actually interesting as Dvorak was literally invented for English only - so it actually goes against "standards"... 🤦

[ripe birch]

@harsh tundra btw greetings Nikita the second

[harsh tundra]

Lol, this makes me look like royalty 😂

[harsh tundra]

I also tried Dvorak for some time... But apparently Z is 5th most common letter in Polish and Dvorak moves Z to absolutely worst position ever, lol.

[harsh tundra]

(My partner actually wears flip-flops all the time, lol.)

[bleak maple]

He's a troubled guy, I try not to be too harsh.

[shell raptor]

This is also cursed: https://wicg.github.io/turtledove/

The Protected Audience API facilitates selecting an advertisement to display to a user based on a previous interaction with the advertiser or advertising network.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/googles-protected-audience-protects-advertisers/

[bleak maple]

Mix this with AWS CloudFront Lambda@Edge and you get some games, look at how many hyper-local points of presence they have now:

You can write Rust code now of your own that runs at the edge in any or all of those places.

CloudFlare has the same with Wasm etc but not quite as many points of presence.

[vale raven]

IKR!?, isn't it great!

[bleak maple]

I'm sure it's fiiiine!

[vale raven]

full stop

TF did you just do?

[carmine apex]

oh neat they made a new attack map

[vale raven]

oh I misread that

I thought that said "this just came across my screen" and thought they got ransomed

[carmine apex]

last one i knew of was by nordstrike or whoever, which went kerblam several years ago

[carmine apex]

i have a feeling what your response is

[vale raven]

You're probably wrong

[carmine apex]

https://tenor.com/view/aldous-vanderboom-mr-crow-cube-escape-rusty-lake-metro-conductor-gif-5323193490338173545

[vale raven]

True
Gotta do that too

Some of my users are picky about using email on personal devices
I forget whos who
I generally don't be too mean about tickets if they can't login to their computer

oh damn they were actually up there working hard

[vapid nymph]

Hi can you tell I'm an open source dev?

[carmine apex]

no

[vapid nymph]

And unpaid pls help me change this

[vale raven]

lol I missed the days mine looked like that
It was fun to jump around

[vapid nymph]

Also lol @ 3 prs to prek when I don't even know rust

[vale raven]

corpo life

[ripe birch]

Why no apply job

[vapid nymph]

You should contribute to Monty :3

[vale raven]

gib gud first issue

[vapid nymph]

https://github.com/onerandomusername/monty-python/issues?q=is%3Aissue state%3Aopen label%3A"good first issue"

[bleak maple]

re: GitHub's awful embeds, if you surround the URL with < > it won't put in a preview.

[vale raven]

Is Monday a holiday?

[vapid nymph]

re: no.

[vale raven]

[vapid nymph]

See the open issues on Monty lel

If you want those awful embeds gone, petition pydis to accept me adding an autoresponder fixer

[acoustic moss]

the embed isnt even that bad 😭

[vale raven]

Cmon Roy, it's pretty bad

[carmine apex]

ah, hsp, i didn't know you had a job

[acoustic moss]

i am currently unemployed

[carmine apex]

clearly not, you work for github

[bleak maple]

Well, it duplicates its summary text AND the org/repo name 🙁

[shell raptor]

huh, still pondering?

[vale raven]

Arl you're making my head hurt

https://github.com/onerandomusername/monty-python/issues/628
https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/setup/changing-the-colors/#color-palette-toggle
https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/setup/changing-the-colors/#automatic-light-dark-mode

I can't wrap my brain around how all the options work together

I think I got it, but it's not very clearly defined

[jaunty wraith]

probably the one with the three options

[vale raven]

Probably

And I have to include all of [this] too each time, right?
https://github.com/onerandomusername/monty-python/blob/main/mkdocs.yaml#L17-L31

OH

I missed
https://github.com/onerandomusername/monty-python/blob/main/mkdocs.yaml#L14

[royal lake]

mkdocs.yaml line 14

palette:```

[vapid nymph]

Yeah it only goes in the one file

I don't have mkdocs material insiders

[vale raven]

okay but like

[acoustic moss]

thats how you deal with the zoomer attention span

[vale raven]

Do the primary and accent colors stay where they are?
Do they go inside each palette?

Don’t wanna look stupid on my first PR to a new project

[bleak maple]

Tell 'em what you're gonna say, say it, then tell 'em what you said.

[vapid nymph]

I don't know. That's why I gave it the good first issue.

If it works then it's right

[vale raven]

wait whaaaat

[vapid nymph]

I think read the docs will automatically build on a pull request

[vale raven]

Oh yeah I did see that

[vapid nymph]

Alternatively, you can use uv run mkdocs serve

Just make sure you install all groups first

[wheat lynx]

Life is pretty good thanks @narrow pecan! Finished my second year of uni and now on a placement year before I return for my final year (unless I do a masters, haven't thought that far ahead yet ;)). I like that I'm able to look forward to the year ahead as well as the year after back at uni, as you say uni feels like it goes quickly - it's cool to split it up.

[vapid nymph]

Also, you should have a Python 3.10 interpreter. I'll add that to the contributing document

Oh my God! Hi wookie!

It's been a long long while

[wheat lynx]

!remind 572303014346489866 1y Part 6, the sequel to the sequel to the sequel to the threequel (I think?). How are ya doing?!

[royal lake]

Sure.

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1791136855:F>!

ID: 8059

[wheat lynx]

Hello :)

Yeah I'm not very active here anymore, but definitely not gone

[vale raven]

I think my grandpa used one of those, god rest his soul

Just add >=3.10,<3.11 and uv will do it for you

[carmine apex]

are ye still the main pr judgin' fella

[pallid herald]

Hi

I am new

Any one help me to start my python learning and study

[vale raven]

Hi new

[vale raven]

Ask on topic questions in #python-discussion

[pallid herald]

Hi

I want to learn python from scratch

[wheat lynx]

I've been slacking lately but if I am doing pydis stuff that stuff is most likely reviewing PRs, yes haha

[shell raptor]

That's how XML repeating the tag name in the closing tag was invented

wasting so many bytes

[bleak maple]

EBML is so much better

(the way the Matroska video/audio container format works for example)

[vapid nymph]

I plan to use 11 - qt soon

[ebon shell]

deitydork is amazing

almost as good as godlygeek

[vapid nymph]

@vale raven thank you for the contribution

I'll check it to see if auto mode is enabled too

[vale raven]

Hopefully it works right

[vapid nymph]

(it should default to and have prefers dark mode support)

The third option of this

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-had-never-seen-such-bullshit-thomas-had-never-seen-such-bull-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-thomas-gif-6194583488412696733

Whether Thomas is offended about your meme or he’s offended about the people he’s about to run over is up for your interpretation

[bleak maple]

This is in the context of Site Reliability Engineering, and understanding what MBA types are on about. I think it's pretty true.

• Translate to primitives
  “Which revenue, which cost, which risk, by when, owned by who.” If they can’t answer in one sentence, it’s fluff.

[toxic crown]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

[jaunty wraith]

what's this from?

[bleak maple]

A conversation with an old coworker I had, paraphrased in my notes

I sorta wrote a short-ish “credo” about my take on software engineering haha, I should move to a log cabin in the woods now I guess

[thick ore]

i dont get it

[upper flower]

me neither

i think its saying that even though it would have the strongest signal if cringe was wifi, it also means it would have the strongest connection

signal and connection are diff things i think

anyway meme ruined

[frosty current]

Is this just a shitposting channel?

[upper flower]

do you think so

[mossy mango]

i wrote a pretty decent regex to find functions in a c file

from pathlib import Path; f = Path("yourfile.c"); src = f.read_text(); import re; pat = re.compi\le(r"\n([^;{#}/\"=!]*\w+)\s*(\([^;(){}=!]*\))\s*\{", re.DOTALL); ms = [*pat.finditer(src)]; print(*[m[0].strip().rstrip("{")\.strip() for m in ms], sep="\n\n")```

Output

couple false positives because it doesn't ignore keywords

[woeful phoenix]

nice, what do you use this for? just maintaining an index of functions?

[mossy mango]

I was thinking I might make some ctags-like script, yeah

so I could find one I was looking for quickly

separately been working on a parser for signatures so maybe could combine with that and do some fancy lookups

[woeful phoenix]

you should check out cscope

[mossy mango]

I haven't used it for anything yet

[mossy mango]

oh I think I've heard that mentioned somewhere

it's good?

[woeful phoenix]

yeah
I've used it on large C codebases and it comes in real handy

[mossy mango]

what can you find with it? does it get tripped up by macros and stuff

like find definitions?

[woeful phoenix]

it can handle macros too (i.e. it'll find #defines)

[mossy mango]

oh wow

can it show the function

[upper flower]

ok

physics aint as hard as they say

[woeful phoenix]

As in?

Oh I get it
It'll give you a list of matches, and when you select one it'll open your editor to that place

[mossy mango]

oh that's awesome

[mossy mango]

classical physics?

[upper flower]

projectile motion stuff

classic ig

[mossy mango]

yeah sounds like

Newtonian I think

we did lots of box problems as well

[upper flower]

well my technique is read the question once develop a basic concept of it and thats it

then i write it in my own wording in the test lol

[mossy mango]

nice

[upper flower]

actually

i have a test tmr as well

applying same technique lol

[mossy mango]

good luck

you prob do fine

[upper flower]

i like to call it

the art of manipulation

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-sukuna-absolute-cinema-jjk-gif-5394194156872612446

[vapid nymph]

@vale raven you are now a Monty contributor woo

[vale raven]

🎉

[bleak maple]

This is fun, site is pure Rust, and the same code runs in the terminal https://gluesql.org/glues/

[bleak maple]

Huh, it's actually a lot weirder to figure out exactly which python is active in uv than I expected.

I've ended up deciding this is actually the correct approach:

% python -c "import sys; print(sys.executable)"
C:\Users\Wilson\AppData\Roaming\uv\python\cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none\python.exe

because for whatever reason, uv python list and friends don't say which is active, and the other tools just give you the path to the binstub, not a versioned path.

% uv python list
cpython-3.14.0a6+freethreaded-windows-x86_64-none    <download available>
cpython-3.14.0a6-windows-x86_64-none                 <download available>
cpython-3.13.5-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Python313\python.exe
cpython-3.13.5-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\ProgramData\chocolatey\bin\python3.13.exe
cpython-3.13.2+freethreaded-windows-x86_64-none      <download available>
cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\AppData\Roaming\uv\python\cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none\python.exe
cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\.local\bin\python3.exe
cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\.local\bin\python3.13.exe
cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\.local\bin\python.exe
cpython-3.13.2-windows-x86_64-none                   <download available>
cpython-3.12.9-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\AppData\Roaming\uv\python\cpython-3.12.9-windows-x86_64-none\python.exe
cpython-3.12.9-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Users\Wilson\.local\bin\python3.12.exe
cpython-3.12.9-windows-x86_64-none                   C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\python.exe
cpython-3.12.9-windows-x86_64-none                   <download available>
cpython-3.11.11-windows-x86_64-none                  <download available>
cpython-3.10.16-windows-x86_64-none                  <download available>
cpython-3.9.21-windows-x86_64-none                   <download available>
cpython-3.8.20-windows-x86_64-none                   <download available>
cpython-3.7.9-windows-x86_64-none                    <download available>

The problem above is that I have multiple 3.13.2 versions, freethreaded and non.

So even just seeing python -V say 3.13.2 doesn't help me

[glad folio]

I thin you can do python pin [VERSION]

[bleak maple]

I don't want to make a choice though, I want to see what the pyproject.toml had uv auto-activate.

[glad folio]

I think pin creates a file called .python-version that stores the file instead of pyproject.toml.

See pin