ot1-perplexing-regexing

[vale raven]

I actually do vide code sometimes

[tardy rain]

Lmao

[thick osprey]

Your bossman is an asshole. So, how you doing?

[vale raven]

When I'm screwing around with something new like https://github.com/letsbuilda/imsosorrybutinparentheses or I'm trying to figure out some random-ass DSL, I'll throw it at Gippity and let it give me some terms to Google

[tardy rain]

Anyway, release day today and i didnt have a single ticket going in so im chill

[vale raven]

oh damn

[spare oriole]

i've been stuck in the same problem all week, boss probs not happy, but eh weekend is for side projects

[tardy rain]

You should ask preocts

[spare oriole]

i should ask mar

where's mar

[tardy rain]

Mars not even good

[spare oriole]

mars is the nearest victim

tag, you're it

[tardy rain]

I've never been near anything in my life

[vale raven]

Oh I'm having a great day and a terrible day at the same time
Bad:

• Dadman is also throwing a tantrum this week
• Vercel changed the terms of my plan sometime in the last week so when I made a PR today it failed to deploy, I ended up trying Netlify, then Azure, then finally getting Cloudflare to work
• Vendor is having me update my application at the other subcontractors, which is fine, but what's not fine is they go "we've scheduled a meeting for in 10 minutes" and then act surprised when the people say no they don't have time at noon on a Friday with no notice
  Good:
• Cloudflare actually seems much snappier than Vercel
• Sentry cause the entire app to explode with some super confusing error message, but after a couple hours of random copy/pasting, Sentry is now recording twice as much data as before, and it even has pictures
• Working with the vendor code is "web scraping pages last updated in 2003" hell, which is super frustrating obviously, but it's exactly the kind of super interesting puzzle that's super engaging to me, and I've been having a lot of fun feeling accomplished getting it to spit out pretty Pydantic types that I can work with

def __init__(
    self,    
    # Future use
    _base_url: str = "https://newkerp.redacted.com/",
) -> None:
    """Initialize the K-ERP client with the base URL and API key."""
    self.http_client = httpx.Client(headers={"user-agent": user_agent})
    self.art = ArtClient(self, "https://kerpplm.redacted.com", user_agent)
    self.files = FilesClient(self, "https://kerpplm.redacted.com", user_agent)
    self.shipping = ShippingClient(cartons_api_key, self, "https://kerpm.redacted.com", user_agent)

I even have myself a little thing
They're consolidating to a single domain
So I have a little planned ahead "future use" parameter that I'm PRing the migration to right now

I haven't really planned ahead before

It's fun

[spare oriole]

why did you choose vercel in the first place

[vale raven]

Day 1? It was the prettiest

Month 2? After evaluating the options, it was the easiest one for me to understand and it was free

[spare oriole]

i'm only using vercel currently because i was trying out their V0 AI

https://www.krrt7.dev

we came up with this but i'm probably just going to migrate to mkdocs-material

[vale raven]

You're a founder now?

[spare oriole]

founding engineer

[vale raven]

Why are you capitalizing your TLD?

[alpine tusk]

he's a big D dev

[spare oriole]

doesn't everyone?

[weak peak]

no?

[spare oriole]

though that's not a TLD there

[vale raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains

[vale raven]

When was the last time someone wrote Google.Com?

[spare oriole]

oh

you're talking about .Dev

[alpine tusk]

I'm sorry, how can I trust this article now

[spare oriole]

didn't even notice

[vale raven]

Even Wikipedia has been lost to the AI slop

[turbid oyster]

On IANA's site there's .bananarepublic

[grave cove]

@latent scaffold

[fringe jolt]

little something im working on, 2 players battle using python, they can move and shoot so far

[latent scaffold]

That hits pretty hard tbh

I still wanna try and get a terrain kill with him some day

Yesterday I tossed a Captain America off the map with Human Torch

[grave cove]

probably could on the staircase part of central park

[latent scaffold]

Yeah, or that one Hydra map with the lava pit

[eternal wing]

I'm bronze right now and I have never seen captain america do anything other than die instantly lol

[grave cove]

skill issue

[eternal wing]

for sure.

I was gold last season, but reset but me back in bronze 😭 maybe time to play again

[grave cove]

perhaps

[upper flower]

am i the only one who can only hear the audio and the rest is frozen

[grave cove]

probably

[grave cove]

if you play him right he has insane survivability and can singlehandedly hold down objective while the team gets back

[eternal wing]

I really need to work on my tank gameplay. I pretty much main tank, but I am trash

I prefer to lock namor and just get carried by squids

[grave cove]

lmao

it be that way

[harsh tundra]

Shooting with code? Nice. Have you thought how you'd move and shoot?

You should probably check out graphwar. It was originally a java applet where you shoot the other side using math functions
Code and explanations how it works here https://github.com/catabriga/graphwar
I haven't checked it in a long time and it seems that last year they rewrote it for phones and steam

[charred pagoda]

The game is really fun, but the network protocol is kinda basic...

[thick ore]

is that a bad thing

[charred pagoda]

Well GlobalServer doesn't validate player packets...

It just read a string, splits it into an array using a separator, and read each string as a packet field.

[thick ore]

it could be improved

yeah

but it doesn't crash the game or introduce a vulnerability or anything

[charred pagoda]

What if the player sends different packet fields to manipulate the game flow?

Would be nice to experiment

[thick ore]

that's just the player doing different stuff

from what i can see, the player can only send chat messages, query room status, create rooms, quit, and close rooms

[charred pagoda]

What if player changes its id?

[thick ore]

what id

[charred pagoda]

The PlayerId

[thick ore]

clients dont send player id themselves

https://github.com/catabriga/graphwar/blob/951b5f197b82412148a60745a68891d00c2cc793/src/GlobalServer/LobbyPlayer.java#L49
id is autoincremented int

[royal lake]

src/GlobalServer/LobbyPlayer.java line 49

lastPlayerID++;```

[charred pagoda]

What about this? https://github.com/catabriga/graphwar/blob/951b5f197b82412148a60745a68891d00c2cc793/src/GraphServer/GraphServer.java#L1104

[royal lake]

src/GraphServer/GraphServer.java line 1104

Player player = new Player(info[1]);```

[glossy niche]

mhmhmmmmm

I can't find a total count though

[thick ore]

oh well

thought we were talking about globalserver

[charred pagoda]

I think GlobalServer uses GraphServer.Connection and this is the point where it reads and handle the string.

https://github.com/catabriga/graphwar/blob/951b5f197b82412148a60745a68891d00c2cc793/src/GraphServer/ClientConnection.java#L168

[royal lake]

src/GraphServer/ClientConnection.java line 168

server.handleMessage(message, this);```

[thick ore]

yea that seems to be the case

[solemn tulip]

the animation is flashy, but if your goal is to show your qualifications this is a pretty bad way to do it

[spare oriole]

it was vibe coded

i was testing out v0

[solemn tulip]

😭

krrt no

[spare oriole]

lol

[solemn tulip]

also fix your damn website height

why does it trigger a scroll bar

[spare oriole]

dude

vibe coded

[solemn tulip]

the header

vibe code the issue away!

[spare oriole]

i'll probably revamp it tomorrow or so, i want to start a blog there

[thick ore]

vibe coded, i predict nextjs and shadcn/ui (or at least tailwind)

there we go

dawg... this could be like two html files

[glossy niche]

where analytics

u need Google tag manager and sentry

[solemn tulip]

I just need to make a recording to show off my disdain

||angry mouse wiggles||

[thick ore]

the inevitable scrollbar

overflow: hidden; easy

[solemn tulip]

oh hey, it actually recorded in 144fps

[spare oriole]

i can feel your anger

lmao

[solemn tulip]

it's the wiggles

[stark prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bugcat-crazy-cat-wiggle-wiggle-wiggle-dance-gif-17214029

[spare oriole]

ok let me see if i can do the update rn

but i struggle you're gonna have to take over @solemn tulip

[thick ore]

i find it ironic it says "always ship performant code" but then uses nextjs

[solemn tulip]

sure, for my first trick I will rm -rf project_root

[thick ore]

also the favicon is still the default one

vercel is making racks man

[spare oriole]

that's exactly what i'm doing lol

[glossy niche]

next has good network performance and shit cpu performance

cuz react

like ssr makes it easy to optimise loading but one react library will pin one core to 100 percent usage

fukn atlassian uses react and it's performance is so ass even on desktop

[spare oriole]

i've gone into a mkdocs rabbit hole cuz of this, damn you

regardless, i'll push a very simple landing page for today

and continue the rest of the rabbit hole later

[honest star]

@nimble acorn I know you're trying to help, but continually suggesting a different editor to a person struggling with a pip install/functional python installation isn't the most helpful.

I'm a huge fan of thonny, but there's a time and place to recommend it. In help channels we strive to address to root of the problem the person is facing. Suggesting thonny there isn't really doing that and doesn't help the person in the long run.

[nimble acorn]

Everything's fine, as a beginner I can perhaps put myself in the situation a little more... and you don't need basics for everything... I only understood the concept of “environments” relatively late... I think it's important not to clutter up your (base-venv)...
Yes, Thonny is great, but not for projects 😉
It makes me rather sad that the “help” is only open for 1 hour and when there are questions about Ai or exe compiling... there are usually ZERO answers from professionals.

btw what is Etzeitet?

[frozen crane]

A member of our staff.

[latent scaffold]

A way of life

[grave cove]

@latent scaffold just hit this shit in ranked

[latent scaffold]

wow why the heck did they group up so much lol

zero survival instincts

[grave cove]

real

they didnt fear magneto enough

[latent scaffold]

the way that man pops Punisher ult, as well

I honestly would've tried to overload you if I was that Punisher, but the positioning on their part was abhorrent

like, just because you're not shooting doesn't mean Magneto's not gonna aim his meatball at you

great ult, though, I especially highlight the fact that you make sure Luna doesn't have her overshield before popping lol

[grave cove]

yeah i learned that the hard way lol

[latent scaffold]

back when I played him in season 0, his ult felt EXTREMELY useless

it wasn't too common to see him counter Cloak & Dagger like you do now

so, when I first learned of that trick, I looked into what you'd need to do that for other support ults

[round pendant]

imagine having punisher in the game but not daredevil
cant do funny duo

[latent scaffold]

Ironically, Punisher has a Daredevil: Born Again costume

I'm like 40% sure that Daredevil is on a list somewhere of future heroes to be added to the game

[round pendant]

i really enjoy the daredevil series, looking forward to born again season 2
one of the few series that i saw and was like "i should watch this", this only happened like, twice, the first one being john wick

[latent scaffold]

I started watching the Daredevil series but for some reason I think I got bored of it very early on

I'm not really a big show watcher if it ain't got superpower visuals

I need my beams of light

I tried watching the Iron Fist series, as well, and man...

what an absolutely awful show, frankly

and I say that with very low standards

[round pendant]

huh why did they make him so buffed

[latent scaffold]

in Marvel Rivals? lol

he do be pretty chunky

[round pendant]

bro looks like on roids

[latent scaffold]

Some of the heroes look a little silly for what I'm used to in the MCU

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/

the best-looking goes to Jeff, of course

Where would we be without this guy

[round pendant]

cutie patootie

bites off your head

[latent scaffold]

absolutely

jumps off the edge of the map with your team in his tummy

[marble bay]

reminds me of nimona

https://tenor.com/c6kqShLgfVP.gif

[latent scaffold]

I 100% paid like $20 for this costume

and yes his little sandals squeak when he walks

I know you all were definitely wondering

[grave cove]

same

im excited cuz theyre bringing in jessica jones which i just got done watching

also W show

[round pendant]

i didnt watch it but from a quick glance it seems like a good fit for the series
not too overpowered, just strong

[grave cove]

yeah im a fan of the ground level stories without crazy superpowers

thats why i really liked daredevil, punisher & JJ shows

[turbid heron]

Did you watch fight club?

[round pendant]

yep

[turbid heron]

Liked it?

[round pendant]

i mean, i liked it as in it was entertaining and interesting
the "message" is kind of beaten to death at this point though

[turbid heron]

You might like trainspotting too

[turbid heron]

What about the philosophy of the movie?
Working jobs that we hate so we can but shi we don n..

[turbid heron]

What was the message?

[round pendant]

the naive message (sort of literally what you see in the movie without thinking at all) is the one you just described, critique of consumerism and "pointless" lifes

[turbid heron]

I think the theme of trainspotting is kinda similar more like they had a pointless life so they try to make it interesting using drugs
Like why care?

Critique of "choose life" moment

Choose a degree so you can get ripped off
Choose a job so you can be a slave and start hating your work
Choose a girlfriend so she can cheat on you
Choose a nice car so you can showoff
Choose iphone so you can get associated with certain group of ppl
Choose life..

And then he says "I choose not to choose life"

[bleak lintel]

great opening scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaP7qmsQbSI

[marble bay]

I'd like to throw in collateral

[low chasm]

not that there aren't issues in society, but that just seems like overly cynical lol

[bleak lintel]

off-topic 101

[low chasm]

classic

[round pendant]

as soon as i saw the thumbnail "where is my mind" started playing in my head, and i havent even watched the film

[bleak lintel]

lol

is that song actually in that movie

[round pendant]

thats the fun part, its not, but the edit with it took off and it fits really well
so like, people associate the song with it even though its not actually in it

[bleak lintel]

ahhh hahahahaha

[turbid heron]

Because why choose life when you got bug on every line of code

[glossy niche]

joe'st opps banned

[shadow rivet]

It's in Fight Club.

[round pendant]

yeah i recently watched it so i remember that
honestly just like, visually, in the trainspotting edit it seems to fit more, specially the "i was swimming" part because there's a literal swimming scene

[shadow rivet]

Oh, is that song about drugs

trippin'

What ever happened to Helena Bonham Carter

in a bunch of stuff I haven't seen, apparently

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/power-supply-psu-explodes-x-kom-gif-13279795578291244134

[shadow rivet]

Is it supposed to do that?

Looks like a PC power supply.

[lament cairn]

probably powered like this

[shadow rivet]

Australia's weird

[lament cairn]

brazil, actually, with the koala wallpaper that comes with windows 7

[shadow rivet]

Oh, heh.

[lament cairn]

finally found the image i was looking for

[shadow rivet]

Are you also pizzer?

[lament cairn]

no

[shadow rivet]

okay

[lament cairn]

i jut have a lot of cursed images from an IT blog

[shadow rivet]

Hey, if it works...

[lament cairn]

homelab

[shadow rivet]

That kinda looks like my rack, back when I had a house.

[honest star]

Alright strong opinion havers. What linux distro do you recommend/like to use? I'm in the works of getting linux setup on my surface and I have choice paralysis (it turns out pretty much all of them function pretty will with the SP4 given I use a specific kernel)

[bleak lintel]

assuming you want to avoid rolling release and want something that just works for 90% of usages, i like fedora and ubuntu

ubuntu i prefer less but it is hard to argue that it doesn't work

fedora is generally pretty rock solid, has a lot of support for common software suites and works pretty well on a range of devices

[shadow rivet]

Fedora

And Gnome is crap, but maybe it works for a (tablet?)

I like the way Solus looks OOTB, but haven't tried it in quite a while.

And it has a weird (but preferable for me) opinion about bootloaders (you have to use the BIOS, not Grub)

[thick ore]

Fedora

Gnome is fire tho

Idk what they're on

[honest star]

The council has spoken, imma go with fedora!

[shadow rivet]

Gnome breaks the second you need to do something Grandma wouldn't do.
First step: Install Gnome Tweaks and break the security model.

[thick ore]

Is it any better than editing config files

And like... Yeah gnome isn't built for customizability much

But it works

Personally I only have the blur my shell extension

[quasi blaze]

Apparently, it’s a duty to vote in Australia

[tardy rain]

It should be a duty to vote everywhere

(a moral duty)

Australians are taking it too far

[sharp jasper]

I was also taught in US high school that voting is a duty.

[harsh tundra]

Doesn't Belgium or Netherlands also have to vote? I remember from school that one of those or other country in that region has that

[tardy rain]

Not really democratic if you force people to vote

Wiki says belgium but its not enforced

[harsh tundra]

It seems it stopped being enforced around 2003... But it was still mentioned in my school books with info that 90+% of people vote there - so if that percent is real, even though it's not enforced anymore, people still vote

Oh, wait, wiki has turnout percent - and yep, it's still 90% in 2023

Lol, it says Egypt has laws but no enforcement and it's 33% turnout

Luxembourg has 90% turnout despite no enforcement since 1963

[low chasm]

my senior year gov teacher would give us candy if we showed him our "I voted" stickers

[shadow rivet]

When everyone votes, the candidate/committee who buys the most votes wins, because disengaged voters vote what they've seen (ads).

I know it has been unpopular to filter voters with things like literacy tests, and in the past, those have been used to keep large minority groups (women, people of color, juveniles?) in check. But I think, like a driver's license keeps the vehicular manslaughter rate at an acceptable level, a civic engagement scorecard could help keep people from tearing down their country now.

No tests involved, but to vote on an issue you'd have to first participate in some other moral duty, like cleaning up a freeway, serving at a soup kitchen, or attending City Hall meeting. This would force people to exist in the presence of a diversity of other people, with diverse political opinions, and maybe some productive discourse might even ensue. Attending more such events over the past year (maybe capped at once/month) grants a voter the ability to vote on more wonky, or maybe more consequential, issues.

[tardy rain]

Disagree
Voting is a right and should stay a right, not an obligation
People should feel bad for skipping out on voting unless they've done their research

Not voting is also an expression of speech

But people should be conscious of this decision, not just skip voting cause theyre bored

Its a moral duty as a citizen, especially if youre paying taxes to vote or at least consider why you wont vote

[carmine apex]

are there places with mandatory voting that imprison nonvoters, or is it always like a $50 fine

[tardy rain]

Im not sure any state that calls itself a democracy would even be able to enforce this

The vote is supposed to be a secret

How do they know i voted, i could have torn up the ballot and eaten it

Fold it up like a taco

[carmine apex]

who you vote for is secret, but requiring proof of voting should be okay

[willow narwhal]

At least here (Germany) you could definitely enforce it. We check off names off a list.

[tardy rain]

You can force people to the booth, you cant force them to vote

[willow narwhal]

Well, you can still make an invalid vote of course.

I think ignoring stuff like North Korea, Bolivia probably has the harshest penalty:

Otherwise they receive a fine and are unable to receive their salary from the bank if they cannot show proof of voting for the three months following the election.

[carmine apex]

as someone who would not vote even if required, i feel that if you got me to be in a voting booth, i probably would

[tardy rain]

Why wouldnt you vote

[carmine apex]

everybody sucks

[tardy rain]

Toss in a blank vote, they count

[honest star]

There's more stuff in elections than just the big name politicians. Like... people should vote and participate in their community and care.

[willow narwhal]

Although in the past Italy truly had the worse possible punishment:

Possible arbitrary or social sanctions, called the "innocuous sanction", where it might, for example, be difficult to get a daycare place for the citizen's child or similar.

[honest star]

Tons of people last election still went to the polls even if they didn't intend to cast a proper vote for the presidential candidates, because of all the local items

[carmine apex]

with few exceptions, and especially where i live, at all levels

[honest star]

There are usually non-people matters you can also vote for or like... very, very, very local level stuff

And I really urge people to not wait for a perfect candidate. Don't make good the enemy of perfect, especially with incremental improvement and shifting

[bronze token]

lmao schools suck in america

[honest star]

Also, I really, really, really wish election day was a proper national holiday. Like actual holiday and every employer is required to give at least 3 hours pto to any employee to go vote

[tardy rain]

It doesnt have to be an election day

Could be 2 days

Also i think back home election days are always sundays

[bronze token]

like if i voted for joe biden it would be morally wrong for me to complain about him so you shouldnt vote so you wont get beat up and you morally can complain abt them

[willow narwhal]

Yeah, that is always so weird to me when following US elections. Here elections are always on Sundays.

[honest star]

if i voted for joe biden it would be morally wrong for me to complain about him
This is very, very, very false

[willow narwhal]

I always complain about the people I vote for. More so than about the other ones.

[bronze token]

but like i put him in office its my fault

[bronze token]

yeah lmao

[honest star]

Voting for a candidate is not blanket approval of everything they do. Far from it. In fact, people who voted for him should also be the ones who have criticism to hold politicians accountable

[bronze token]

e

[carmine apex]

did you know everything he would do?

[honest star]

And a politician can drastically change (fuck you fetterman specifically), that doesn't mean I can't complain about that

[carmine apex]

not like obama 2008 voters thought he was gonna do torture or mass spying

[marble bay]

feel like this is worth a shout, not exactly the same thing, but related nonetheless

[paper sequoia]

How come? It could be that no candidate that there are, are good. And that you just vote the one that is least bad (not good, but not the worst)

[honest star]

I have some gripes with the "people abstaining for moral reasons" being as bad as people who don't mind either option, but yeah. Don't make good the enemy of perfect and hold politicians accountable.

[bronze token]

ok fair nvm you have swayed my view i thought because you put him there go should be somewhat responsible like you should know hes a good guy or not and not just vote for a random guy who might ruin the country that you dont know abt because you dont do any politic-related things

[plush sun]

They are holding politicians accountable by withholding their vote

[honest star]

Like you bet your ass I call my region's representative for specific stuff, especially when they make an absolutely horrific decision

I voted for that rep, sure. I'm still gonna give them hell when they do dumb shit

[marble bay]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[bronze token]

did trump pass the bill?

oh big beautiful bill

[plush sun]

I agree, and I may have just assumed we're talking about the United States in particular, oops

[plush sun]

I think it did

[bronze token]

oh noice

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/утюг-cat-est-utug-gif-15997868462494236323

[sharp jasper]

this seems like an overreaction to what I said.

[grave cove]

live feed of me eating the ballot

[honest star]

the gluttony

[low chasm]

they're public servants, if they stop serving you, you ought to be on their ass

[honest star]

this is also what my one cat wishes I would let him do

[grave cove]

truly a gluttonous beast

his hunger knows no bounds

[low chasm]

one of our kittens is getting kind of fat 🥴 we're considering not leaving out the dry food all the time anymore

he'll eat from the other's bowl too if we don't stop him 😩

[bronze token]

smart man

[bronze token]

e

[bronze token]

tf

with respect

[shadow rivet]

Nobody understands their duties, because the government isn't letting them know anymore, education has failed them, and they're not talking to their neighbors. So they vote for ads.

or parties

Which is immensely counterproductive for the country in which people are voting

[sharp jasper]

it's very productive for the people buying the ads.

[bronze token]

f a c t s facts

who is waddle

[shadow rivet]

The Founding Fathers of USA tried to mitigate the potential harm that might come from direct democracy by having men vote for a representative, who is ostensibly better qualified to make many decisions. And that worked pretty okay for about 250 years. It's time to iterate on that theme, because people (notice we've advanced beyond white men who own property) now have the ability to be better educated, and malicious forces have hacked the system the founders put in place.

So put more responsibility on the voter, iff they choose to participate.

...assuming we're not already living in an autocracy

[tardy rain]

where are peoples' parents

[shadow rivet]

Most are busy working two or three jobs

[tardy rain]

not really

[shadow rivet]

Okay, well your middle class is currently < 50% of the population and falling.

[tardy rain]

in the us its something like 5% of employed people holding multiple jobs

[shadow rivet]

The rest are working class or poverty-level

[tardy rain]

not sure how class plays a role

this isnt ancient athens

[shadow rivet]

The middle class dotes on their children, when they have them. The rest don't have the time or background to teach their children about civics.

spreads hands while making sweeping generalizations

It's a downward spiral, with education failing as well.

If you don't have a culture where parents are responsible for teaching this stuff (a culture which needs to be fostered elsewhere besides in the home), the parents won't do it.

[tardy rain]

it cant be that complicated

you get multiple elections days in your kids childhood

take them with you, explain things while you vote

[shadow rivet]

That says nothing about disinformation, corruption, egalitarianism, liberalism.

And their effect on people's votes

[low chasm]

voting was pretty encouraged all throughout my high school, and my gov teacher would really push it since we were seniors

[shadow rivet]

Was that it?
"Make sure you vote."

[low chasm]

I think there's not much you can do to stop parents from introducing their kids to their own political philosophies while introducing them to politics

[low chasm]

well, we got candy if we voted lol

[shadow rivet]

They teach you about how to study the issues?

[low chasm]

sure, yeah, that's what a lot of our gov class was.

I think that's very teacher dependent though

[shadow rivet]

Sure

But how did we get here? I was advocating for more civic involvement as a prerequisite to vote

[low chasm]

and for what it's worth, most ELA classes tend to also function as media literacy classes

[low chasm]

I think the issue with that is figuring out how to measure that

[shadow rivet]

I would propose a set of approved activities that benefit the community. And people are going to want to put church activities in there, but I would counter that that is mingling Church and State.

But that's specifics, and approximately zero people is on board with my idea, so that's for later.

[low chasm]

eh, I think I'd say it's still "community involvement", if that's what you're measuring

[paper quest]

You're putting a lot of power in the hands of the people deciding what those activities are.

[shadow rivet]

Yes, but it doesn't force you to mingle with people from other backgrounds

[low chasm]

what backgrounds? just different religions?

[shadow rivet]

Well, currently, they'd probably vote on a ballot proposal, to form a committe, and do like the gerrymanderers do. Decide for everyone.

[low chasm]

(with that logic, does volunteering for cultural organizations also not count?)

[shadow rivet]

With that logic, I suppose it wouldn't.

[low chasm]

and I'd also wager that you're also going to be exposed to a specific group of individuals just based on the area that you live

[shadow rivet]

True, and that can't be helped. But at least it blurs the lines we've drawn for ourselves a bit.

[low chasm]

in another vein, I think religious organizations can be fairly diverse in and of themselves

you could look at it as a way of connecting with people that overlooks cultural divides

[shadow rivet]

Sometimes. Westboro Baptist would like a word, though

[low chasm]

lol, yeah, it goes both ways--there's plenty of groups that'll segregate themselves on racial and cultural lines

[shadow rivet]

Anyway, I must away.

[low chasm]

but it's not necessarily bad experience for politics

[shadow rivet]

sure, maybe not

[low chasm]

a lot of the volunteering I've done outside of school has been with cultural or religious groups that meet with local politicians and host events that push our representation

[shadow rivet]

Right, so that's their prerogative, but that's not how I see the purpose of this system.

People need to understand where other groups are coming from as well as their own.

before they go lobbying for political moves that might harm others

[low chasm]

for sure, yeah, but I don't think there's any clear cut way to force people to intermingle

[shadow rivet]

Sure, but it can be encouraged in a blurry way.

which I think is better than the bubbles we have now.

[low chasm]

I mean, what would it look like?

[shadow rivet]

and orgs that are benefiting the community would get a massive boon.

[shadow rivet]

I dunno, but really I need to go

[low chasm]

a lot of organizations that benefit the community are built on top of some sort of racial, religious, political, or demographic bloc.

[paper quest]

I guess the real problem is that the people in power have no real incentive to fix the system now that they're in a position to manipulate it. I don't think fixing it from the top down is achievable. It'd probably have to go from the bottom up.

(I say based on nothing whatsoever.)

[latent scaffold]

and then comes institutionalism

[glossy niche]

there's a phrase for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does?wprov=

if I build an ice cream machine but aside from making ice cream it kills a classrooms worth of children everyday, then it's not an ice cream machine

[glossy niche]

true, we should also think about the fact that national oppression is a thing, for example, the BLM movement (I hope I am not dropping a point that has already been discussed in this conversation)

[turbid heron]

Who's fisher?

Bobby fisher?

The retired chess fanatic ?

[shadow rivet]

If 36% of the workforce is participating in the gig economy, I doubt 5% with multiple jobs is an accurate number. Maybe doubly-employed full-timers.... https://www.scrippsnews.com/life/money/mastering-your-money/amid-corporate-layoffs-36-of-workforce-turns-to-gig-economy-for-alternative-employment

Or, okay, assume the Fed's methods are accurate. I'll retract my claim that "most are working two or three jobs." I continue to claim that parents alone aren't enough to perpetuate a healthy civic mindset across the population.

[visual phoenix]

@shadow rivetI would agree. Socially accepted norms are the foundation of laws. Those laws in turn require individuals to enforce those laws, and when those who are responsible for enforcing those laws, break the law, you need people to hold them accountable. in most countries, they socially accepted norms are generally homogenous. With nations that have had a large influx of migrants, those social norms begin to break down. Add in the deviant percentage of any given population that require Law enforcement, and you begin to see social collapse.

[shadow rivet]

Immigration is a tired scapegoat. America is a nation of immigrants. Miss me with that shit.

Maybe try talking to some.

[low chasm]

nowadays, maybe the internet would help?

although it seems like it's also going in the wrong direction and polarizing people 🥴

[visual phoenix]

I'm not saying immigration is bad. My grandfather immigrated from Ireland. My ex-wife immigrated from Thailand. It has both it's pros and cons. If unmanaged, its not immigration, it's invasion. Just ask my Iroquois forefathers. But managed, it can have great benefits. Instead of displace the existing culture(s), it can help the cultures that are joining, to develop a new and distinct culture. If however, one culture refuses to adapt, that's when both culture run the risk for collapse. These are not my personal beliefs. These are actual facts that sociologist examine everyday.

I'm actully trying very hard to keep my personal beliefs out of this.

[low chasm]

what's the culture being replaced?

if cultures never mixed, we wouldn't get americanized chinese food, which would be criminal 😔

[visual phoenix]

Uhm... Welll... I actual like REAL Chinese food. It's really amazing. Americanized stuff is supper sweet and sugary.

[vale raven]

What do you have against Chinese Chinese food?

[low chasm]

sure, that's good too

but you can't tell me a plate of general tso's doesn't hit hard

on a more serious note, what would a culture adapting look like? I think most immigrants end up adapting to the way of life here already.

my parents certainly did, but they didn't lose any of their traditions in the process.

[visual phoenix]

I think the biggest problem is that white males feel displaced and disadvantaged. In their culture, they are responsible for being the bread winners and if they can't make a good life for a family, they are seen as losers'. That scares them and I can understand that. No one like to be scared. Unfortunately, I think everyone is looking at the wrong boogeyman. it's not white, brown, black. It's green. If we can address the issue of excessive wealth hoarding, I think things would settle down. (They didn't, but do you still have all of their same culture? Or have you adapted? Changed? Would you be accepted back in your parent home country?) However, I do not believe we will be able to resolve that issue and I think things will continue to get worse. Probably much worse.

[low chasm]

what does immigration have to do with people having excessive wealth?

i was born and raised here, i probably wouldn't fit in very well if you were to suddenly drop me back in my parents home country.

[visual phoenix]

It's not about immigration. excessive wealth hoarding puts economic pressure on everyone who is not in with those who are hoarding. Regardless of racial background, more than 90% of the population in the US is feeling either financially stress, or afraid of a potentially violent future that they can't insulate themselves from. As an example put a bunch of rats in a cage and then lower that cage slowly into the water. The rats will start killing each other to stay above water. It's simple survival instinct. and to many people at the top of the wealth chain have us all convinced that the problem is immigration when in reality, if they reduced the amount of wealth they are hoarding, there would be enough to provide for all of us. There is a general problem of over population, and it's side effects, but that's a would wide issue. One that no human being or group of human beings will be able to solve. it's much of the reason why I believe that we are headed to a general social collapse world wide. I'm in my late 50's, and I truly feel sorry for the younger generations.

[spare oriole]

never had it

[glossy niche]

I think that the difference between immigration and invasion is pretty big, and I hate it when people act like unregulated immigration can be as bad as that

unregulated anything is gonna be bad but it's very different from systemically moving in a population to replace another

[visual phoenix]

Well, that then begs the question of where the line is? When does unregulated immigration become invasion? Further, what other first or second world nations, outside of the US, Canada, the European States, and Australia allow immigration at any level? China? Japan? Korea, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, North Korea? I know Thailand has a zero immigration policy. Mexico has very strict financial requirement's. Brazil has a generally moderate immigration policy as does Argentina. I'm not sure about others. just checked India. It looks like you'll need to bring money with you when you move there. So, no poor people. Same with Brazil and Argentina, though a work visa appears to lessen that requirement. Any others that you can think of?

Most who come to the US are moving here for a better life, and yet every city in the US is facing a homeless crisis. Even people here on the forums are struggling to find work. When does the system get to the point where it breaks?

On the other side of the coin, is what the current government doing wrong. As a humanitarian, I'll give you a resounding YES! It's cruel, it's wrong and the fact that congress and the supreme court have abdicated their duties is blatantly criminal. When will it be stopped? I don't know. All I know, is that the system is falling apart. The world has been damaged, possibly beyond human repair, and the following generations will face the brunt of it.

[glossy niche]

that's an easy fucking line to draw

when I hear invasion, I think of people purposefully displacing people of other ethnicities

usually with military threats

not people just using the countries law to move in

comparing immigration to invasion is something I've only seen right wingers do

[shadow rivet]

It's broken.
I overreacted earlier. But I wouldn't blame the collapse on immigration. I blame it on the country (boomers) not planning for the future--indulging in the now and kicking the financial can down the road. And on not enforcing the rules when parasites start hacking the system. Bailing out banks at the cost of the little guy, when the banks broke stuff. Increasing the national debt by, what, 15%? to maintain some tax breaks for the wealthy. Etc.

They're all f*ing parasites.

[glossy niche]

sending 10 million immigrants into a country is something and forcing that country to take them in against the wishes of everyone living in it through military or other means is something else entirely

[shadow rivet]

so, Ukraine?

[glossy niche]

yes, plenty of examples

using the same word for boats of refugees and military offensives is very much a stretch

let's not do shit like that

[shadow rivet]

I genuinely don't know who you're talking about. I know places in Europe/SW Asia are having issues...

[glossy niche]

and about illegal immigrantion: that's not a systemic issue

[visual phoenix]

Yah, that's a hard subject. That was and is a criminal act by all measures.

[glossy niche]

that's people deciding on their own to move in

[shadow rivet]

like Iran booting Afghanistan refugees

[glossy niche]

not some entity deciding it wants to fuck up an entire nation

[shadow rivet]

What entity is doing this?

[visual phoenix]

When I think of refugees, I think of people who are leaving a warzone, or a country suffering from famine.

[glossy niche]

that's what I'm asking

Where's the entity invading you by sending in immigrants?

[visual phoenix]

immigration is something else. it's people migrating for a better quality of life.

[glossy niche]

don't get me wrong, immigration can be a tool of oppression, that was the central mechanism of settler colonialism

[shadow rivet]

I'm not sure anyone in here right now buys the "invasion" line for the US?

[glossy niche]

but that was a only a cog in the machine, not the machine itself

[glossy niche]

you'd be surprised

I've had people ik tell me that immigration is basically colonialism

[visual phoenix]

What the European nations did to the Native peoples of the Americas and Australia was invasion. though not necessarily planned until later.

[glossy niche]

and given that I live in a region that suffered a lot under colonial European rule, I immediately called him out on it

so sorry if I sound aggressive

I just fucking hate these kinds of comparisons because they are always pushed by right wingers

[glossy niche]

I agree

[glossy niche]

Also ummm, Elon musk and his cronies buy the whole "white genocide" thing, so unfortunately this belief is not uncommon

[visual phoenix]

I am by no means a "right winger". I am pragmatic though. I understand why people are reacting the way they are. and I'm not willing to blind myself to their feeling no matter how wrong those feeling maybe.

[glossy niche]

ight, my bad if I overreacted

[visual phoenix]

We need to take 75% of Musks wealth, tell him he's not going to get to establish the Mars Kingdom of Musk, do the same to the rest of the 1% and put a hard cap of total wealth. How? No clue. and it would make us as much a tyrant as the current administration is trying to be.

I'm not bothered by it.

being the guy in the middle isn't easy. but i would rather live with a clear conscience that end up in the history books as villain.

[glossy niche]

I can't rly comment on us politics bec I don't engage with them much but I don't think redistributing wealth is tyrannical because that itself reduces the power of that wealth

[visual phoenix]

There's an old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intensions. It only takes one step to walk down that road.

[glossy niche]

monopolizing wealth creates power and abolishing the monopoly removes that

[upper flower]

wait wait wait

what is the topic

[visual phoenix]

So instead, I simply speak truth. Facts. I don't tell people they HAVE to act on thos facts. simply that they are facts.

[glossy niche]

AI mfs wants to victims of genocide so bad

[glossy niche]

nah I disagree im p sure plenty of ppl have bad intentions lol

[upper flower]

musk is actually hated alot

[glossy niche]

tell us about it, we're hating on him as well and could use more people

[upper flower]

not necessarily intentions. i think he meant that the road to hell is paved with good and pleasurable things

[glossy niche]

https://youtube.com/shorts/84_FOkJ9AbU?si= like this?

[upper flower]

i mean if u like tea

[upper flower]

I also hate his grok sometimes. I said 60,000+ children have died in gaza because of israel and it refused that and said its 50,000 💀

[shadow rivet]

I chanced upon a random video today. It's long, but super informative. He discusses how the top tax rate after WWII was >90%, and the boom that caused.

[glossy niche]

apparently the recent version of gork looks up musks opinions on political issues before answering so there's plenty of genocide denial in there to pull from

[upper flower]

yeah i was like well its elon's ai what else to expect from it

[visual phoenix]

No, people who truly believed they where doing what was best for the people have caused the greatest harm. Mao, Lenin, the Kamer Rouge, and Hitler all BELIEVED, they where doing what was right. That belief didn't change the fact that their actions where pure evil.

[glossy niche]

oh

[shadow rivet]

Seems familiar for some reason...

[upper flower]

cant disagree

[glossy niche]

I find that statement questionable but alr

[upper flower]

question

it

[glossy niche]

bro that's a horrific way to spin it 💀

[upper flower]

am i wrong lol

[glossy niche]

the first sentence sounds like you're defending himc

[upper flower]

my main point is both of them were wrong in the end

[glossy niche]

ok

[visual phoenix]

My personal belief, and I tend to shy away from sharing it in an environment like this, is that no human being, nor any group of human beings can resolve the problems that humanity is facing. it's been proven time and again though out history, by every form of goverment mankind has created.

[upper flower]

what problems

[shadow rivet]

It is an immensely hard problem, but Murica managed pretty well for 200+ years. That could be built on...but who would design the next system

[visual phoenix]

The Problem? Humanity is not unified. and even if we where, there is one problem that we all face. Death. sooner or later, we all die. And no human being can change that. and if they did, the human population would balloon and end up killing us all. Humanly currently has no hope.

[upper flower]

Yeah lol thats what keeps me from trying too hard in life because at some point, elon musk will die and people will discuss him for a few days then others will take over his company and he will be taught in school books to torture students

[honest star]

Y'all what is going on in here and why are mod filters being tripped?

[upper flower]

we are on politics

though we kinda slipped

[honest star]

Maybe we could move on to discussing kittens

[visual phoenix]

Sorry. Just tryin to be honest about Our US history.

[upper flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209253964193726575/1365096076817993772/togif-12.gif

[honest star]

It's fine, just maybe shift to subjects that are a bit cuter and less mod-filter-tripping

[visual phoenix]

Hey, you guys want to hear a Funny joke?

[upper flower]

no

[solemn tulip]

to be topical to wth was discussed before

[upper flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[glossy niche]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Triangular_prism_shaped_food i categorizing things psiaojfioajgiajgagag

[solemn tulip]

category according to this when

[sharp jasper]

that ruby chocolate bar is clearly not triangular prism shaped

but it is a salad

[dapper dew]

I love the cube rule of food

[lyric flicker]

i love u too

[sleek silo]

hot dog is a taco, confirmed

[glossy niche]

I love it because it's so Diogenes-able

a cannoli is a sushi ig

lahma John is also sushi actually

[harsh tundra]

Why is there Toblerone subcatefory with "Toblerone in Hong Kong" sub-subcategory

[glossy niche]

its a prism ig

Also that's how Wikimedia hierarchy system works

[harsh tundra]

But why subcat for it in HK specifically

[glossy niche]

if something has an is a relationship or totally includes something then you mark it as sub cat

and you may never combine sub cats and parent cats

a category that combines to attributes (usually X in Y country) is such a thing

it's a child of both X and Y categories

the example they give is "churches in Russia"

[harsh tundra]

I'm more of "okay, Toblerone is triangular, makes sense... but why tf is there Toblerone in HK specifically"

[glossy niche]

some shit is rly specific lol

[harsh tundra]

And why not any other country or anything

[glossy niche]

ig other countries don't like it or it's not properly linked

u csn edit it ofc

I've been categorising food all week

what I've been to this week:

[sharp jasper]

what's a twix? toast?

[dapper dew]

Twix the chocolate wafer and caramel candy

[sharp jasper]

no I mean by the cube rule

the cookie makes it toast

a snickers, of course, is a salad

[dapper dew]

ah

since there is only one layer of wafer which is the starch, then twix are toast

[tardy rain]

Is wafer bread

[dapper dew]

its starchy

[tardy rain]

Its a biscuit

I guess it counts

Carry on

Twix isnt even a good caramel wafer

Any lion enjoyers in chat?

[sharp jasper]

twix is a shortbread cookie/biscuit, not a wafer like in a kitkat

what's in a lion?

[tardy rain]

Caramelly goodness

.wiki lion bar

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Lion (chocolate bar)
Lion is a brand of chocolate bar currently owned and manufactured by Nestlé. The brand was originally introduced by British company Rowntree's in 1976

Lion
The lion (Panthera leo) is a large cat of the genus Panthera, native to Sub-Saharan Africa and India. It has a muscular, broad-chested body; a short, rounded

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[tardy rain]

Its wafer wiki says

Been a while since i've had one, im more of snickers man

[sharp jasper]

I don't believe in mixing chocolate with peanuts or peanut butter

[paper quest]

I've yet to have a chocolate I have not enjoyed.

[tardy rain]

Never had a pb&nutella?

[paper quest]

I also don't get the fascination with putting peanut butter together with various other kinds of things on bread.

Bread should be eaten fresh, with butter and cheese, the way the Lord intended.

[tardy rain]

The fascination is due to its deliciousness

[sharp jasper]

sounds like a good way to get 4,000 kcal by lunch

[tardy rain]

Yes

Actually a great bulking snack

[paper quest]

There are better ways. Ever heard of the Fool's Gold loaf?

[tardy rain]

Around 400kcal per sandwich, thats great

I should start eating them again

[upper flower]

NANI

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-meme-face-chips-cat-eating-gif-15310179217102583800

[visual phoenix]

Fish!

[shadow rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fishbowl-gif-25942191

[glossy niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5hcxlzxjY4 the pry mid gym at doctor cay

this kinda appropriate given his mental health history with adhd and meth

[jovial oriole]

Ok why does the chrysler pacifica use ml in its transmission?

I dont trust ts

It "learns" ur driving style in 500km

And adapts to it

So if another driver uses it instead, it will be drive rougher

[vale raven]

go back to js

you'll be begging ts to take you back before the day is out

[jovial oriole]

No it means this shit

[bleak lintel]

lmfao what

oh i see the misunderstanding yeah lol

[vale raven]

(I know I was joking)

[vale raven]

kitties go in #kat-testing

[bleak lintel]

wires goes everywhere

[vale raven]

but inside the walls

we care about presentation here Joe!!

[bleak lintel]

no

wireless devices

are you not familiar

[vale raven]

We wire everything around here

We can't afford latency!

[grave cove]

ts is tuff 🥀

[vale raven]

Eugh
Bossman had a single Walmart off-the-shelf TP Link router for 150,000 sqft and told me that "WiFi just isn't good enough for REAL work"
We have six access points across the building now and he uses it just fine

[bleak lintel]

cisco ftw

[vale raven]

Unifi

Comes with pretty buttons

[bleak lintel]

i had to find a wireless solution to penetrate 3ft of concrete, a load of asbestos and steel the other day

[vale raven]

Joe why are you working in a fallout bunker?

Is there something we need to be aware of?

[bleak lintel]

nah bunkers would be way more

this was just a TV studio

but it's a fun enough room that if the fire alarm goes off it's one of those types of rooms where you aren't supposed to leave

fire in the rest of the building? seal the air door and wait to be found

[vale raven]

Though I let it autoupdate and the WPA network disappeared and the option to turn it back on wasn't there anymore
Thank DOG we were already in the middle of the migration away from the legacy hardware, because WPA is all it would support

Wasn't an outage, just a "very expedited migration"

[vale raven]

I always wondered about those

How long does the air last?

[bleak lintel]

this one has separate ventilation

it's not air tight, just isolated from the rest of the building

most spaces like that have ventilation, even nuclear shelters have ventilation

but yeah fun fire alarm system, fun to work on, big air sampling detection system in there because conventional detectors aren't feasible in that space

i implemented the big automation system that decides things like when to issue an evacuation order into the next containment zone

figure out which sounders are going off and which fire compartment people should move into

or whether it is best for people to shelter in place

[vale raven]

@grave cove look they made an edition of Gippity just for you guys

[grave cove]

🥀

[bronze token]

wdym devs burn out

[bronze token]

oooo

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[bleak lintel]

@bronze token coming through several hours later and reacting to things is very annoying lol

remember that discord sends notifications now

[marble bay]

PS you can turn that off

[upper flower]

joe

oh what

nevermind yesterday

[bleak lintel]

yea main reason I said something is it's the default and the reactions weren't just to me

it was on a bunch of messages several hours earlier from multiple people

[bleak lintel]

what

[upper flower]

joe

what do u think about php in backend

ur thoughts

be honest

[bleak lintel]

pretty crap

[upper flower]

I been learning it for well.. 1 month now should i switch? if yes to what and what exactly makes it so bad

[bleak lintel]

i get why it's useful, i just think nowadays the cost of setting up a reliable php environment for production is actually about the same cost as a simple server serving templates

php is a bitch to set up in nginx, and apache is just a bit meh

[bleak lintel]

i think you can guess my answer to what language

[upper flower]

python lol

[bleak lintel]

you're fundamentally always locked into web applications with php

[upper flower]

yeah

[bleak lintel]

I know some people use it for other things but it's just fundamentally not suited for most of those things

[upper flower]

and python can do all the things required with its libraries yes?

[bleak lintel]

PHP is very simple when you already have a deployment environment and you only ever want to build web applications

it is crap for anything outside of those bounds

[upper flower]

so within the scope of websites its okay?

[bleak lintel]

yeah and more

[bleak lintel]

it's okay, you hit a point where it becomes a PITA

having your business logic, templating, database management and all in essentially the same place just never ends up being clean

it's fine for teaching things like templating and simple SQL and stuff

when you actually start wanting to do things it's crap

[bleak lintel]

and this stuff isn't very transferrable from SQL anyway

[upper flower]

I mean I would consider python here because let's say I get interested into something outside of web dev bcoz im still very young so 😄

[bleak lintel]

that's the thing

you learn simple python and you can do web dev, discord bots, data analysis, guis, terminal apps, games, all sorts

it's all transferrable

you only have to understand a certain amount and then all of these become trivial

[upper flower]

ok thx

[gloomy ember]

Anyone knows what's the name of this program on Desktop?

[rugged shoal]

Why does your key label is on sideways

[gloomy ember]

Wdym?

[harsh tundra]

Any further details about it?
Reminds me of a desktop pet... but the pic looks more like just a vstreamer's stream, just on fullscreen - the character is sitting with their own mouse and keyboard, the "desk" is cut off...

[rugged shoal]

Your key label is not on top of the keyboards

[gloomy ember]

Not desktop pet it's a cat or a girl when you press a key on keyboard it does too

[harsh tundra]

So I'd just say that it's fullscreen output of obs, or post-recording edit to include the stream output instead of only screen

[gloomy ember]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pXc0jwRUu-E

This is the source video

[harsh tundra]

But otherwise it seems to just be vstreamer/vtuber model - just with animations to mimic what user presses

[thick ore]

that looks like a really bad way to get keylogged

like

imagine entering a password on stream

or any secret

[gloomy ember]

;-; I just want I am not a streamer lol

[rugged shoal]

That’s wallpaper engine

[gloomy ember]

What's the name of it?

[harsh tundra]

Literally in the comments

[rugged shoal]

Live wallpaper, according to the video’s comments

[rugged shoal]

Yeah

[gloomy ember]

uh

Only obs?

[harsh tundra]

What do you mean?

[gloomy ember]

wallpaper engine or obs?

[rugged shoal]

Both I think?

[gloomy ember]

hmm

Lemme find

[harsh tundra]

I already said it looks like streamer layout. Obs can merge camera stuff (including virtual camera like vstreamer models) with screen stuff.

You then need to overlay this somehow onto the actual screen instead of only send as stream output

[gloomy ember]

This one what I want xD

[harsh tundra]

Yes. That's bongo cat. Just with lots of details for all the keys https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/bongobs-cat-plugin.992/

[rugged shoal]

Dayum

Let me save that for my pc later

[gloomy ember]

Rip you can't see it only when you record

I thought it's a live wallpaper

[harsh tundra]

That's why I said several times now that you'd need to have something else to put it on your screen instead of only stream

[gloomy ember]

yh

sad

[rugged shoal]

So

We need to stream with OBS to have that?

[bronze token]

oh im so sorry

bruh i just did it again

[robust zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-drinking-fountain-lukewarm-water-mods-gif-3195335258168558710

[visual phoenix]

ad1 = 'D'
ad2 = 'd'
xo6 = 'o'
my2 = 'y'
nu1 = 'u'
gw1 = 'w'
fa2 = 'a'
un3 = 'n'
ot1 = 't'
jh1 = 'h'
oe2 = 'e'
pr1 = 'r'
ff1 = 'f'
zj1 = 'j'
mk1 = 'k'
xs1u = 'S'
ri1u = 'I'
mq1 = '?'
alphadot1 = '.'

msg1 = f'{ad2}{xo6} {ri1u}{alphadot1}'
msg3 = f'{zj1}{xo6}{mk1}{oe2}{mq1}'
msg4 = f'{gw1}{fa2}{un3}{ot1} {ot1}{xo6} {jh1}{oe2}{fa2}{pr1} '
msg6 = f'{ad1}{xo6} {my2}{xo6}{nu1} '
msg7 = f'{xs1u}{xo6} '
msg9 = f'{fa2} {ff1}{nu1}{un3}{un3}{my2} '

print(msg6)
print(msg4)
print(msg9)
print(msg3)
print(msg7)
print(msg1)

[harsh tundra]

print(f'{un3}{oe2}v{oe2}{pr1} g{xo6}{un3}{un3}{fa2} g{ri1u}v{oe2} {my2}{xo6}{nu1} {nu1}p'.capitalize())

[visual phoenix]

I have been Rickrolled in code..... 🫤

[harsh quest]

hello

uuh

i dont want to chat in #python-discussion because i know its for things related to python

[sharp jasper]

you can chat about whatever here, as long as it fits within the rules

[sleek onyx]

Can you hack me?

[spare oriole]

no, i left my machete at home

[upper flower]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-fine-i-will-do-it-myself-mcu-gif-15647768486172114787

[rustic gust]

@novel condor Impersonation?!?

[dapper dew]

Hmm?

[worldly ice]

wdym?

[upper flower]

ey

take a look at tis text based task manager

http://paste.pythondiscord.com/OS6A

this is how it is in the output

Type your action: Add
Add task name: Reading
Task 'Reading' added.
Type your action: Add
Add task name: Writing
Task 'Writing' added.
Type your action: Remove
Enter the name of the task you want to remove: Writing
Task Writing has been removed.
Type your action: Print All
[{'name': 'Reading', 'is_completed': False}]
Type your action: Complete
Enter the name of the task you want to mark as complete: Reading
Task Reading has been completed.
Type your action: Print All
[{'name': 'Reading', 'is_completed': True}]

[tame terrace]

@plucky ridge why is your yoghurt so depressing though

[thick ore]

everyone says yo: gurt

but no one asks why yog hurt

gurt: yo

[spare oriole]

left field lmao

[soft violet]

He's probably carbonated it.

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-baking-soda-explosion-soda-spirit-soda-pop-diy-gif-13799483

[sharp jasper]

Is that actually yogurt?

[thick ore]

wtf is carbonated yogurt

[sharp jasper]

abomination

[tame terrace]

that's actually a really good point

but I'm not sure that makes it depressed? quite the contrary

[soft violet]

Because he's done that with...I want to say coffee?

[tame terrace]

it would probably make it more celebratory

sparkling yoghurt

[soft violet]

If you freeze it, maybe.

[tame terrace]

why would that help

[soft violet]

Ice crystals sparkling.

[tame terrace]

yeah but now it's flat

boring flat yoghurt

!otn add wtf-is-carbonated-yoghurt

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: Added wtf-is-carbonated-yoghurt to the names list.

[tame terrace]

so how many monitors do y'all have

[soft violet]

Two, but they're attached to a single tower each.

[tame terrace]

..so, one.

[soft violet]

If that's the parsing you prefer.

[tame terrace]

do you at least have like mousewithoutborders or something to control both with the same inputs?

cause then I would be inclined to call it two

[soft violet]

Let's just say that I don't.

[tame terrace]

so you have two keyboards, two mice?

opal wtf what are you doing

[soft violet]

Though I did experiment attaching the second one to the main tower, but the results were less than inspiring.

They're not in the same room.

[tame terrace]

then I'm definitely parsing it as one

that's called "I have one monitor, but two computers"

but how can you be productive in such an environment

[spare oriole]

i tend to use only my laptop screen, at monitor i have a monitor but i never use it

at work i have a monitor

[soft violet]

My productivity isn't tied to the number of monitors I have.

[tame terrace]

I have two 27 inch monitors in portrait mode, and one ultrawide 49" that's the size of three normal monitors in the middle, and I feel like.. I just don't have enough monitor real estate. I'm considering buying a second ultrawide and stacking it on top, I just need to find a monitor mount that can support two monitors that heavy.

[soft violet]

So long as it's at least one.

[spare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-computer-gif-13344270

wait no, that's a weird gif

[tame terrace]

that is a weird gif.

[spare oriole]

i searched for "multiple monitors"

[hidden grotto]

i have one 15.6 inches laptop screen

[spare oriole]

and that came up lol

[hidden grotto]

very productive

[spare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/pixels-neon-old-80s-hacker-gif-21156226

anyways this is what i was going for

[tame terrace]

it just sounds like a lot of alt tabbing

[spare oriole]

lmao

[tame terrace]

but maybe my job is particularly.. juggle-y

I never don't have 10 things happening at the same time and whenever I'm on like vacation or something and I'm on my laptop I feel miserable

[soft violet]

Has Bisk shown you his new rats?

[tame terrace]

sure

he's always sharing rats

[spare oriole]

i went on vacation a few weeks ago, i had promised my gf i wouldn't touch the laptop while on vacation

ended being so that i did not touch it at all

[tame terrace]

good! it's good to disconnect

[spare oriole]

once i came back everything felt so weird

[tame terrace]

I did that too this year for the first time in probably half a decade

[spare oriole]

yeah no i agree, i think it was so weird because i've been basically working nonstop for the past year

[vale raven]

I did that for the first time ever this year
Granted it was only 24h

[tame terrace]

I pretty much never get to disconnect completely, but I got married this year so I just said fuck it and turned off everything

[spare oriole]

congrats!

[tame terrace]

it was nice. I wish I could do it more often

not.. get married. I'm fine doing that just once

[spare oriole]

lmao

the clarification wasn't needed

[tame terrace]

but when you run your own business you rarely take real vacations

I'm always half working

[vale raven]

Do you not have people to fall back on?

[tame terrace]

I guess it depends

if something is actually on fire, no.

for day-to-day stuff, sure.

[tardy rain]

How long till you hire interns

I mean have kids

[tame terrace]

I have interns.. and kids.

if you think having kids makes it easier to take a vacation you have been misinformed lmao

[spare oriole]

i took my sister on my vacation (she's 6)

can confirm, it's tough

[soft violet]

Difficulty to decide to take one, decreased. Difficulty of execution of vacation, increased.

[tame terrace]

I have an 8-year old and a 3-year old and it's almost more work to be on vacation than to be at work

[spare oriole]

i feel that

i had the luxury of giving my sis back to my mom

you however, can't really hand it off

except sig other i guess

but more of the same

[tame terrace]

well that's not entirely true, thankfully my kids have grandparents

my mom is really good with them, the only problem is she lives 8 hours away

[spare oriole]

easy, send them in the mail

[tame terrace]

still, I'll drive 8 hours to park them at her house for a week

so me and my wife can have our lives back for 5 days and feel like real people again

don't get me wrong I love my kids but I also like having autonomy

[plucky ridge]

If memory serves, I got a McDonald's parfait and they forgot the granola and there was like one strawberry in it

[tame terrace]

okay but why was it carbonated

I'm so confused

[plucky ridge]

It wasn't. Don't let Opal's gorgeous eyes deceive you

[wheat lynx]

Don't hate on carbonated yogurt until you've tried it

I haven't tried it but that's besides the point

Though kefir can be a bit fizzy so that's pretty much carbonated yogurt

[upper flower]

hamster!!!!!

help

[lament cairn]

I have an unusual problem. I need to query a lot of domains. A lot, like over 10 million of them, to study the adoption rate of Encrypted Client Hello. I can only think of three ways of doing it:

• directly querying a public DNS resolver, ideally several times a second so i can get results within this decade
• directly querying a local recursive DNS resolver like Unbound to hit the root servers directly
• using one of the many bulk querying APIs online, though I have no idea if they're anywhere as fast as I'd like them to be

does anyone else have any better ideas? or if any of mine are good?

I've looked at the rate limits Google puts on their DNS and it seems to be anywhere between 500-1500 QPS, which is pretty generous
still I'd like to not look like a bot trying to pull off the world's shittiest DoS

[lament cairn]

... carbonated yogurt??

wtf

[solemn tulip]

if you could actually hit like 100QPS your thing would finish in ~one day

[crystal ruin]

Look at what I just got!

[latent scaffold]

Is this your first time owning a skull?

[soft violet]

In the category of questions with multiple possible interpretations...

[latent scaffold]

That was definitely the intention but I'm also realizing it sounds almost a little mean lol

[marble bay]

does their own count as owning

[latent scaffold]

that's what I'm wondering

[sinful shard]

Is this one of them purchases that in 30 years you'll randomly find and think why tf did i buy this?

[sharp jasper]

sick af 👍

[crystal ruin]

Yup!

[crystal ruin]

Thank you!

[crystal ruin]

Nah. I'm pretty happy about it as I love dinosaurs quite a lot.

[sinful shard]

tbf it would be a fkin cool place to put books and stuff between the jaw

[grave cove]

💀

[shadow rivet]

[crystal ruin]

The jaws don’t move. It is one solid clay piece.

[analog veldt]

[visual phoenix]

tbh because of what it's sitting on, it kind of looks AI generated.

[crystal ruin]

The thing that it is sitting on is actually a very large mousepad.

[visual phoenix]

Iah, I have one that simmular. it's just because of the shadow casting. the botom looks 2D and the rest of it looks normal.

[crystal ruin]

Ah. I see. It does look like that to an extent.

[visual phoenix]

Is there a way to post a survey here?

[crystal ruin]

Here is a better look on the model:

It is just the size of my hand.

[visual phoenix]

neat model. You said clay? probably slip cast into a mold. nicely painted though.

[crystal ruin]

That is what I assume due to knowing what clay looks and feels like. I bought it for $36 dollars at a museum, so I can't be certain about that.

US dollars btw

[visual phoenix]

$36, if it's light it's plastic. if it has weight to it, it's ceramic (clay). if it's heavy it's metal. For $36 it is DEFINATLY not a real fossil.

[crystal ruin]

I never claimed that it was a real fossil. It is a model of a T-Rex, and it is definitely not to scale.

Also yes, it has some weight to it. It is not light in the slightest. I do know that it is not made out of metal because it does not have that metalic feel to it. Also it does not shine. Plus it is not that heavy. Just heavy enough to know that it isn't made out of plastic.

So yeah, it is made out of clay.

[visual phoenix]

Regardless, it's cool. nice find.

[crystal ruin]

Thanks.

[worldly ice]

I went to a mousepad that is big enough for keyboard and mouse, and man it's so much better

previously, my keyboard was slightly angled down to the left

I can also use it for speedcubing which is nice

[visual phoenix]

This is my second one. The first one aged out last year.

[worldly ice]

I'm using Razer Gigantus V2 2XL

don't really need 3XL because that's for full desk

I think mine is basically the same size as the one pictured above

[visual phoenix]

No WAY!

It is.

I can tell because it's a picture of your desk.

See.

[worldly ice]

??

what are you on about

[visual phoenix]

I'll let you know.```

[worldly ice]

hey man don't xpost

[lament cairn]

Figured it out. Decided to reduce my dataset to 1M domains. The actual size of my previous megalist was 26.3M. At about 200QPS I should be done within an hour. Cool!

[lament cairn]

snow leopard cubs photographed inside their den, a very rare sight

[supple tree]

cure little cubs

i wish i can have a leopard

[glossy niche]

the lair

[low wraith]

They want pets cant tell me otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[bronze token]

bro elixir is so good and easy to use i just completed my first kata with elixir and i barely spent time learning it

[opaque merlin]

COC?

[undone granite]

No, the language elixir

[proper patio]

Hey everyone

I'mma new to python. As a beginner

[bronze token]

what????

[bronze token]

who made that quote in your bio i always forget who said that

[bronze token]

i accidentally clicked on your bio and now i want to learn rust

[bronze token]

have you checked out !res yet?

[undone granite]

Donald Knuth

https://pic.plover.com/knuth-GOTO.pdf

[bronze token]

ahhh yes, hyper whats this thing about rust being able to compile to web asm

[undone granite]

"A 12% improvement, easily achieved, is never considered marginal...
...We should ignore small optimizations about 97% of the time; premature optimization is the root of all evil."

its my bio because I hate when people use "premature optimization is the root of all evil" without context.
many people dismiss optimizations early in the design process, but sometimes it's important for critical systems

[bronze token]

ohhhh

[proper patio]

Nope

[bronze token]

you should

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[proper patio]

What's that

[bronze token]

its umm helpful stuff

[thick ore]

it sounds like you're prematurely optimizing (which is the root of all evil)

[undone granite]

I've never tried WASM myself but yeah rust can target WASM

[undone granite]

😡

[bronze token]

like it can compile into wasm

[undone granite]

yes

[thick ore]

rust users when rustup toolchain add unknown-unknown-wasm

[bronze token]

where do i learn rust maybe it isnt too bad

where do i get the compiler

and stuff

[undone granite]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/

[thick ore]

you are so easily persuaded by language fanboys 😭

first it's elixir now it's rust

[bronze token]

True

[bronze token]

they are good okay

[undone granite]

but having experience in systems programming helps.
I recommend learning some C first

[bronze token]

i wanna get into web stuff and i wanna use rust to do it

[thick ore]

UGH borrow checker

[proper patio]

I s it?

[thick ore]

.clone() * 99999

no lance

[bronze token]

id check it out to answer that

[proper patio]

Ohh

[bronze token]

tysm in your opinion is rust faster than c++

[thick ore]

is it really a matter of opinion

[proper patio]

Maybe

[bronze token]

if rust is faster than c++ then im definitely learning it

[proper patio]

No you should go for c++

[thick ore]

it's slower than python in terms of development speed

[undone granite]

it's not, it can be faster in some cases because the noalias optimizations done by LLVM (if it's not buggy lol)

[proper patio]

I started my programming journey 1 week ago

[bronze token]

well yeah

[proper patio]

Don't know why'd I wrote that

But I want to do so..

[brazen ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376943099485360249/1401305484732010617/image.png?ex=689073ae&is=688f222e&hm=86a90c2da5aa6543139131639b8ee305f6dd77b998074fe5bceb1362653ebcbc&

[bronze token]

lol

[bronze token]

whats a noalias optimization

[proper patio]

#real

Fun.. it's being fun to meet ya

Lol

[bronze token]

ty

imagine if rust could also be interpreted on top of being compiled

[proper patio]

So from now we are friends right

[proper patio]

Hmm

[bronze token]

i mean yeah, i dont make enemies anymore since im going to become a rust user all rust users used to be my enemy

[proper patio]

Huh haha

[thick ore]

WHAT

[proper patio]

The same reaction behind the scenes

[marble bay]

Is there a missing step dad in the diagram

[timid latch]

but thats not a circular dependency

[marble bay]

Or there's a missing parent of relationship b/w mom and dad

[timid latch]

that would be somebody being the parent of their parent

[bronze token]

lmao

[undone granite]

aliasing is when memory can be accessed by different variables/symbols in your program,
if you guarantee to the compiler that a location in memory is not aliased, it can do some optimizations that wouldn't be correct/safe/sound to do if the location was aliased
rust's type system gives strong no aliasing guarantees (e.g. &mut var would mean the reference is exclusive)

[undone granite]

this is a better explanation https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/aliasing.html

[bronze token]

oh ok

[bronze token]

hey umm hyper would you help me
error[E0601]: main function not found in crate tests
|
= note: consider adding a main function to tests.rs

oh wait you have to save and update code now

yesss

now how do i run this thing

yesss

these semi colons and curly braces are making me feel sick

[bronze token]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[solemn tulip]

high-ping-is-lagony is a solid otn

[round pendant]

very true

[unkempt python]

i am really, really, really liking golang

[acoustic moss]

what do you like about it

[feral yew]

a

[worldly ice]

@feral yew

[feral yew]

Hey

[worldly ice]

you clicked this?

[feral yew]

Oh wait that paghe

[worldly ice]

where are you??

this is the homepage

[feral yew]

uh

Download the latest version of Python
Download Python 3.13.5

yellow one

like the yellow button one

[worldly ice]

not sure what that means

?

[feral yew]

ues

yes

[worldly ice]

ok well, that should download too

is your browser blocking it?

[feral yew]

im on edge

idk why it wont

[worldly ice]

relax

downloaded fine for me on Edge

[feral yew]

Woah

idk why not for me

do u have windows defender

on>

[worldly ice]

yes

[feral yew]

wth

idk why it 2ont download

is there any other way