ot1-perplexing-regexing

[thick ore]

bro 500 kg is like a lot

you could experience so much fun

[narrow coral]

Is it?

[thick ore]

yes bro

[narrow coral]

Ig i can gift it to other addicts and make friends that way :3

[thick ore]

or start a business..

[narrow coral]

The girl who fangirls u did ask me for 10 kg coffee not too long ago

[narrow coral]

Too much legal complication honestly

[harsh tundra]

Ot channel names are funny stuff from server history, bot changes them once a day (midnight UTC I think). In 8h it should change to something else.

[harsh tundra]

Coffee beans usually come in 1kg and 0.5kg bags. So 500-1000 bags.

[narrow coral]

i can fit 10 in a box

maybe more if i lay them horizontally

lets just say 10

so

50 boxes

yep, thats a room full lol

[harsh tundra]

10 is not bad, 10kg is not bad to lift

[jaunty wraith]

What does advanced tetris entail?

[acoustic moss]

a double triple cannon on a TSZ base continuing into a perfect clear

[wooden silo]

4D tetris

[crystal spruce]

tsz base?

[gritty spruce]

To discuss advanced Tetris techniques like the O spin

[acoustic moss]

idk i just copied the first opener i saw on wiki

[crystal spruce]

interesting because the usual bases are LS or JZ

I only ever do LS, JZ and a weird OL setup myself, but that's because I do DTPC loop and I need to be able to do a dt on any bag

because of the loop, I usually don't like to go directly into a PC after the DT

because 3 bags + 4 pieces means you're left with 7th PC patterns and I don't know 7th PC patterns well enough yet to consistently PC

usually anchor set/kaidan is more viable in pvp anyways since you aren't always gonna have no garbage to actually PC

so at least you get a quad and maybe a tsd out of it

[strange blade]

bruh what

I'm gonna need a key for all the acronyms in here

[acoustic moss]

hmm yes indeed very true stickie

fully agree

[crystal spruce]

OL, JZ and LS bases

dt pc loop forces this continuation of DT cannon

and you can either do a kaidan like this

PC into a 7th PC bag

which puts you back at the starting bag with an empty board so you can restart the loop

[strange blade]

[crystal spruce]

or you can do this anchor set

either way you get a tsd, anchor set is harder to get a quad with but easier to continue PCing

[acoustic moss]

mhm mhm

[strange blade]

yeah I'd rather study for school than for tetris...

[crystal spruce]

there's a few ways to rearrange the OLI/OJI for anchor set/kaidan that is bag dependent, and some continuations have higher PC chances than others

[strange blade]

I've only PC'd once before and it was a complete accident

[crystal spruce]

i PC regularly because it's part of my opener

[strange blade]

bruh

I'm more of a League/hoyoverse gamer

[acoustic moss]

i can PC in 4 wide 💪

[strange blade]

W new pieces tetr.io

totally ain't gonna screw me over

[acoustic moss]

yeah i still havent figured out how to play that

[crystal spruce]

JZ bag is the most flexible bag in terms of being able to do it from the opener because of cool spins btw
like you can do a 180 spin here to slot the J in place

[strange blade]

The + piece really sucks

[crystal spruce]

yeah it's a rough gamemode

my record is like 100m

[strange blade]

bruh

[crystal spruce]

you really have to make good use of your allowed spins

there are quite a few you can do

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/math-zach-galifianakis-gif-9479111

[strange blade]

this game mode sucks

[acoustic moss]

fr

[strange blade]

1v1 me again

I've not played since ages

ending on a nice number at least

[acoustic moss]

yo i hit 50

[crystal spruce]

bet

[strange blade]

https://tetr.io/#KTSZ

don't cook me too hard

[sterile sapphire]

i have figured out a solid career path

this is great

[grave cove]

unc status achieved

[bleak maple]

@terse harbor Here you go. I rewrote it a little and tested it, still works, just has less clutter. https://gist.github.com/wilson/d9b9d16281e98ba127ecb6a7bf41bd06

(Open to suggested improvements of course)

I guess I could support Windows better, I'll work on that.

[terse harbor]

Word
Just slap it on .zshrc and it should be good to go?

[bleak maple]

I should check for .venv/bin/activate AND .venv/Script/activate

Yeah, just put that at the end of your .zshrc

[terse harbor]

Word

Appreciate you man, love you ❤️

[bleak maple]

enjoy!

My old one had this going on:

    local venv_locations=(
      "$project_dir/.venv"
      "$HOME/.local/share/uv/venvs/${project_name}"
      "$HOME/.local/share/uv/venvs/${project_name}/.venv"
    )
``` and my migrated pyenv envs were under ~/.local/share/uv/venvs/

but I've since cleaned that up so I removed it

[terse harbor]

holy fuck

it installed everything in 8ms???

[bleak maple]

Yeah uv is crazy

[terse harbor]

ok i did not expect that

to be fair it was like, light packages

but it still took pdm a solid second

ok this is awesome

[bleak maple]

Oh you'll want this too in your .zshrc, can go above that other stuff or after, doesn't matter

# Load UV completion
eval "$(uv generate-shell-completion zsh)"

Should go after wherever you have:

autoload -Uz compinit
compinit

Is this a Mac by any chance?

Even if it's not (I think you just said you use Endeavour), this might help as a concept:

# Add autocompletion setup for zsh
# First try Homebrew locations if available
if command -v brew >/dev/null 2>&1; then
  # Homebrew is installed, use its completion directories
  brew_prefix=$(brew --prefix)
  brew_completions=(
    "$brew_prefix/share/zsh/site-functions"
    "$brew_prefix/share/zsh-completions"
  )

  for dir in "${brew_completions[@]}"; do
    if [[ -d "$dir" ]]; then
      fpath=("$dir" $fpath)
    fi
  done
else
  # Fallback to common system locations if Homebrew isn't available
  system_completions=(
    "/usr/local/share/zsh-completions"
    "/usr/local/share/zsh/site-functions"
    "/usr/share/zsh/site-functions"
    "/usr/share/zsh/vendor-completions"
  )

  for dir in "${system_completions[@]}"; do
    if [[ -d "$dir" ]]; then
      fpath=("$dir" $fpath)
    fi
  done
fi

For you you don't need the 'if/else', but you can do that if you're not automatically picking up all your installed shell completion functions.

[steady gale]

hi

[vague bone]

Guys if I'm not really good in math, can I still be a software developer?

And what are the skills I need

[robust zephyr]

Depends on what kind of software development

[vague bone]

Wdym?

You mean web development, game development, security software development, ect.

[undone thorn]

yes

[timid latch]

Yep, some use more math than others. Like in web dev you likely won't touch much math, while in game dev you should at least be familiar with basic vector math, for security it can be nice to be familiar with cryptography. And for other areas there might be other math concepts that are useful

Data Science often requires a understanding of statistics for example

[vague bone]

I seee

[timid latch]

But also you have Google

Like sure it's nice to know off the top of your head when the dot product is useful, but it will also likely just show up as a solution if you Google for the problem

[vague bone]

Sorry wdym

[timid latch]

The dot product is a math thing that tells you certain things about vectors, but my point is that you don't really need to know it as Google will just tell you

[vague bone]

Oh okayy

[timid latch]

If you Google for

how to know if two vectors are over 90 degrees apart
The first result is "use the dot product"

[vague bone]

I didn't know what you meant by dot product that's why I was asking

I don't really know alot about vectors

So that's why

[rough sapphire]

there's a possibility if you are product-wise

otherwise you are always competing for a job with guys who are good in maths

but the goal is making money, not solving math problems

so

[vague bone]

I hope thing will work out in the future

[vague bone]

Yes exactly lol

[rough sapphire]

if you actually put work in it, it will

[vague bone]

True

[rough sapphire]

for real doe, most money problems are of organization

at least on the micro-scale

macro-tier like "how does a country make money" thats a lot

[timid latch]

Yhe my current project is rather complex, and there's no math
(Except you know simple addition)

[rough sapphire]

but on the micro is usually an issue of lack of proper sight

[rough sapphire]

what are you doing?

[timid latch]

Writing a frontend framework in rust with a custom build pipeline that does stuff like tree shake css based on the final optimized wasm

[rough sapphire]

(except if you are entrepeneur, then its other rules)

[rough sapphire]

frontend as in web frontend?

[timid latch]

Yep

[rough sapphire]

the idea is that you write frontend in rust?

and it translates to css/html?

[timid latch]

It executes rust in the browser

[rough sapphire]

oh

so you write css/html, and it translates to rust, and that runs in browser

?

[timid latch]

You write rust that (via framework abstractions) calls document.createElement and friends

[rough sapphire]

aah

that sounds good if you can come up with good abstractions

is there anything like it, or are you the first to try it?

[timid latch]

There are other rust frontend frameworks, but afaik I'm the first to do it exactly with this API style

[rough sapphire]

that sounds cool

i would guess the most important part is the abstraction choice, right?

or am i wrong?

[timid latch]

That is the main thing that is different from other frameworks yhe

Because ofc at the end of the day they are all calling the same js apis

[rough sapphire]

i guess

imo, a good frontend framework should be UI-able graphically

[timid latch]

Oh really? I suppose that is a reasonable thing to like, personally I like a more code oriented setup

[rough sapphire]

well, i do not do frontend, but i'd assume that the best frontend people are actually graphic designers, right?

not programmers

[timid latch]

Well

There's the job of designing the web page, then the job of actually writing the html/css/js to actually make it a reality

[rough sapphire]

yeah i guess

you are right there

[timid latch]

So actually "web developers" mainly write code

[rough sapphire]

the designer draws the idea for the UI, then the frontend programmers make it real

[timid latch]

Exactly

Tho depending on the company they are the same people

Mostly in start ups

[rough sapphire]

however, if the language were built with the design in mind...

[graceful basin]

The challenge in UI is usually more around changing the layout in response to user input, not just "here's what it should look like, make it happen"

[bleak maple]

I once worked on a freelance gig where we had 3 weeks to implement 300 pages of Photoshop comps, and there it kinda WAS about making it look right fast enough, but that was definitely an outlier.. lakmatiol has it right for the 99% case

[rough sapphire]

I dont agree

[bleak maple]

That was for these guys.. bizarre company, take care if you work for them haha https://www.akqa.com/

[rough sapphire]

i think UI is one of the most important things

[timid latch]

Like just pure layout and looks is a solved problem for the most part (html + css), it's the interactivity that's different between frameworks

[bleak maple]

AKQA stands for All Known Questions Answered lol

[rough sapphire]

and i think its one of the less worked upon

[graceful basin]

Yea, but even I with my awful frontend skill can probably take an sketch of a page and make it exactly like that.

designing the UI is difficult, turning it into html+css is not

[rough sapphire]

100% on this

[graceful basin]

and human-written html+css is generally easier to manipulate with a program

[rough sapphire]

the issue is

[graceful basin]

I've worked with generated html+css, and it was kind of miserable.

[rough sapphire]

are we really exploiting computers, in terms of UI

i guess for now we can keep being lazy, everything uses a keyboard and mouse

[timid latch]

Anyway I was gonna say, Most rust frontend frameworks do a DSL and signal heavy style (i.e react like), what I'm doing is more callback and builder focused

[rough sapphire]

but when we go vr i wanna see that

[graceful basin]

VR UI is going to be interesting, yea

[rough sapphire]

no more boxes and lists

[graceful basin]

I mean, even IRL we use boxes and lists

[rough sapphire]

yep i know, but when you think of say

[timid latch]

"wheres the button?",
"It's on the back of the pop-up, no not that side, the other side, "

[rough sapphire]

in vr, how do you show "the markets" for example?

thats one ive been thinking about

a simpler one is music production i guess

but the markets its interesting cause its A LOT of data

and we arent exactly primed for looking at 100 graphs

it would require A LOT of bio-psychological studies, but i believe VR lends itself to displaying data in other ways

"data-jungle"

[graceful basin]

Yea, there is certainly something to be done with it.

[rough sapphire]

you get what i mean?

like how we are primed for our eye to instinctually catch the snake/moving-thing in the jungle

Hey anyone know how anti redpage works?

maybe theres a way we can display data in a 3d way over our kitchen, where our primitive instincts focus on the important part immediatly

dunno though if it would mean we already know whats important, if we do then its moot

maybe we always know whats important, so we never do such UIs, and we keep with the 2d graphs

[fathom musk]

why does every word mean something sexual nowadays?

yeah no, im just gonna red flag the person who tells me that a word as innocent as cruising means something sus

[tardy rain]

Because society generally has looked down upon sex and the lgbt

[bleak maple]

That's actually a pretty old term

[tardy rain]

Slang is around so you dont out yourself

Dont be as oppressive and people wont have to make up new meanings to casual sounding words for it 🤷‍♀️

[fathom musk]

I was today years old when i realized lmaoo

makes sense why i hadnt heard it before

[hybrid root]

WHAT

news to me

[tropic ore]

i mean, the former does carry some heavy implications in a straight relationship

and since straight was the mostly socially accepted form in western society for quite some time in the modern era, it just sticks to the term itself

[glossy niche]

you can probably get any word to mean anything if you scroll far enough down the dictionary

the infamous f slur is also the name for cigarettes and a British dish

it also is a cognate with the word fascist and also means bassoon in like half of Europe

ig we can blame the fact that humans love to reuse words

[bleak maple]

Anybody ever run into this? https://www.nasuni.com/product/hybrid-cloud-architecture-platform/

[fathom musk]

lmaooooo

wait f slur

[honest star]

yes, it very much is

[fathom musk]

thats new to me as well

[fathom musk]

very well said btw

it could be a like a wikipedia game

yk the one where u start off at a random wiki page and make ur way to a particular one

[rough sapphire]

Where do I find beginner course s

[tardy rain]

!resources filter by experience level

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[glossy niche]

not everyone finds it offensive, same as every other slur

[glossy niche]

ty

[bleak maple]

For some reason I was just reminded of the most horrifying text editor/shell I've had to use in my career, a thing called CANDE for what used to be the MCP operating system, now known as ClearPath (and yes, that's the system the first Tron movie takes place inside.)

https://public.support.unisys.com/aseries/docs/ClearPath-MCP-19.0/86001500-510/86001500-510.pdf

EBCDIC not ASCII of course

It's bad when you'd rather use ed as your editor.

[rough sapphire]

Tyy

[bleak maple]

Potentially interesting https://schani.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/linear-vs-binary-search/

[glossy niche]

yeah that interesting

[solemn tulip]

peak web design

[narrow coral]

@harsh tundra @tropic ore i have new sad face ascii emoji

:©

How awful does it look lol

[harsh tundra]

I hate it.
Also, this is not ascii. Ascii is 7-byte, 0-127 characters. This is Unicode 169 - one-byte but not ascii-compatible

!charinfo ©

[royal lake]

Character Info

\u00a9 : COPYRIGHT SIGN - ©

[narrow coral]

Huh

[harsh tundra]

Block: Latin-1 Supplement, U+0080 - U+00FF

[narrow coral]

So

There was no copyright symbol in ascii?

[harsh tundra]

Nope. Ascii is very basic. That's why there's a lot of one-byte encodings to use the remaining half of the byte

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_symbol

Because the © symbol is not available on typical typewriters or in ASCII, it has long been common to approximate this symbol with the characters (c)

[narrow coral]

Ah i see

I thought it was 0-255

[harsh tundra]

Char type in many langs will be whole byte, but the interpretation of that second half will depend on encoding.

Apparently those encodings are sometimes referred to as "extended ascii" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_ASCII although even wiki says use of that term is sometimes criticised as it's not ascii anymore

[narrow coral]

:¢ should be 🤐

Tho this cannot be typed using a keyboard :p

Maybe in a tty

: \b lowercase_L

[harsh tundra]

Alt+numpad enters the chat

[narrow coral]

Does anyone remember that?

The codes

I'll just use the uh

Emoji picker thingy instead at that point

Which reminds me that I don't have an emoji picker installed on my current arch installation

[bleak maple]

I remember a few of the codes but not anywhere near as many as I once did

Alt-0255 will live forever in my memory of course

[woeful phoenix]

Linux has the compose key, which is much more mnemonic

Compose+c+| produces ¢

[narrow coral]

Interesting

[narrow coral]

Oh damn its a physical key

[woeful phoenix]

Physical key as in you assign an existing key (or combo of keys) to serve as the Compose key

on my system I have Shift+RightAlt as the Compose

some people use CapsLock

[bleak maple]

That's neat, I've always just done different keyboard 'layers' but compose sounds fun.

[narrow coral]

There r keyboards which has a dedicated compose key

Old school keyboards

Ig it must have been imp back in the days

[woeful phoenix]

oh, I've never seen one which has it
would be cool

[bleak maple]

Oh hello https://wincompose.info/

← sweet (right-alt, left arrow, left arrow)

[glossy niche]

holyshit google gemini is very good at transliteration

even with accents taken into account

[solemn tulip]

it used to be a physical key on some keyboards

[tardy rain]

what are we composing

[solemn tulip]

also, TIL alt gr means alternative graphic

[solemn tulip]

characters, of course

[solemn tulip]

I just never questioned what the gr stood for, ok? 🥴

[stark prawn]

smh

[solemn tulip]

also, does alt gr even mean anything to US keyboard enjoyers?

[stark prawn]

Basic ass alphabet users

[solemn tulip]

I know it's on the US international keyboard

but on the typical US layout it's just two alt keys

[solid elbow]

TIL

[hidden raptor]

https://hackaday.com/2025/04/08/turning-old-cellphones-into-sbcs/ I'm adding this to my list of many side projects that I'll eventually finish

[solid elbow]

@final radish An MRE is a "minimal reproducible example" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_reproducible_example

[narrow coral]

Wtf

MRE is meal ready to eat, smh

The stuff russian hacker guy makes videos about

https://youtu.be/FfOTmfwRTFs?si=anXcZlWb1xh5Br7v

[merry flint]

list.insert() is (approximately) the same performance as element assignment????

[willow narwhal]

Which of these numbers refers to element assignment?

list.insert will be O(n) if it's at the beginning, because every other element has to be moved. Assigning to an existing position (my_list[i] = value) is a constant-time operation.

[merry flint]

preinitialized is where i initialized the array with 5000 elements before

  arr[i] = i```

[willow narwhal]

What's the list like otherwise? Empty?

[merry flint]

im just surprised that .appendI() isnt slower since it has

[merry flint]

yeah

i just wanted to see the performance of appending and inserting compared to assignment because they have to create new indexes of the list

[willow narwhal]

Yes, but it matters where they have to make space for that. If it's at the end, most of the time there is empty space where you can put the new spot. If it's at the beginning you need to still create a space at the end, and then move every item one position over.

[tropic ore]

what exactly is being compared here

element assignment and insertion are 2 different things

[merry flint]

i wanted to see if i should use assignment or insertion in cases where I could use either
also just curiosity

[stark prawn]

assignment and insertion don't do the same thing

assignment would replace the value at the index, while insertion would move everything after the index by 1 spot and then put the value in the spot that was created for it

[merry flint]

whoopsie meant appending

[plush sun]

<@&831776746206265384> Malware alert

Anyways

[quasi blaze]

Could a multithreaded application have the potential to cause a server to respond with a 520 http error code?

[grave cove]

those aren't really related

[quasi blaze]

Weird. I get the same 520 http error response coming from the same API endpoint

[tardy rain]

Google says its a cloudflare thing

[quasi blaze]

And the function that fires off that GET request is multithreaded

[grave cove]

that doesn't mean it's the cause of the issue

[tardy rain]

Most web servers are multi threaded, thats not the issue

[grave cove]

i bet that function uses if statements too. doesn't mean if statements are the problem

[quasi blaze]

I see. Okay

[tardy rain]

https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/troubleshooting/cloudflare-errors/troubleshooting-cloudflare-5xx-errors/#error-520-web-server-returns-an-unknown-error

[wheat quartz]

I want all of you to please stand up during the night to save a Little girl thank you

[tardy rain]

how does that help a little girl?

im sure everyone already stands up a little bit during the night

[jovial oriole]

Yeah i sleep standing up

[surreal otter]

When I have to go pee, I normally stand and walk to the toilet.

https://tenor.com/bRtD7.gif

I should try this

it would probably go well

[tardy rain]

Depending on the time in the night and my eepy status i sometimes crawl to the toilet

[surreal otter]

I quit drinking back in '19, so that's not an issue for me anymore

[thick ore]

2019 being referred to as '19 is wild

[narrow coral]

Fr

[rough sapphire]

maybe he stopped in 1919?

[thick ore]

I doubt a person that experienced 1919 would be on a python server

or alive at all

[dry delta]

hi

[scarlet peak]

wheres this from

[vocal oyster]

what a bargain

[scarlet peak]

the fact that on a normal day, that shit would've been £1.79 for probably a week of 100GB storage is wild

[vocal oyster]

yeah I spent £0.99 for 50GB iCloud

[scarlet peak]

why?

also this reminds me i gotta back up the rest of my phone

[uneven pine]

I pay $3/month for uhh

100GB of Google drive

[lament cairn]

eeeeeehhhhhh

[young shoal]

you can do 20 a year I think

[vocal oyster]

photos, used to use Google photos until they scrapped unlimited

or changed my settings or something

[scarlet peak]

oh yeah this reminded me to backup my photos

thank you

[vocal oyster]

lol

[scarlet peak]

good god

1259 files

copying from a shitty charger off to a network drive

this is hell

one wrong file and thats it

[rough sapphire]

15gb is enough for family pics/vids

https://tenor.com/view/ceku-tugce-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-19498422

[vocal oyster]

is it though

cameras are getting higher and higher quality

not really great to appropriate what someone's library size should be

[rough sapphire]

for me it is

we dont own expensive stuff

my mom has a budget samsung a10+

[lament cairn]

for me it isnt (i have a lot of cat pics)

i avoided having to pay google for my own storage by self hosting
instead i pay with my time and patience and eventually money for new drives

[vocal oyster]

yeah the idea of my own 'cloud' storage wasn't exciting to me and £0.99/mo pays for the time very well

[vale raven]

Try taking pictures of YOUR OWN cat one of these days

Instead of everyone elses

[vocal oyster]

what about both

[hard solar]

Can anyone suggest a python project to me to make. I am a beginner.

[harsh tundra]

!projects

[royal lake]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[glossy niche]

TIL jq is a programming langauge and not just a CLI program with a fancy DSL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jq_(programming_language)

or maybe it is but the DSL broke free of its DS

The original implementation of jq was in Haskell[3] before being quickly ported to C.

[tardy rain]

Ofc, and should be considered for addition to AoC language pool

[glossy niche]

real

[tardy rain]

Theres also a jq implementation in jq

[glossy niche]

can u do that tho

i hope yes

[tardy rain]

I personally cant do much no

Used jq a couple times at work, its nice

[glossy niche]

i was trying to find a mathematical formalization of mongos query language (for autism reasons) and JQ was mentioned as a possible alternative

https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1912/paper5.pdf

i found this tho

gonna download this pdf and not read it, shoot me if i read it

tho, looking deeper at it, it can just be rewritten as SQL, so nothing new there besides the syntax

[bleak maple]

jq is badass, really nice design IMO

The authors aren't big on comments but the code is pretty nice https://github.com/jqlang/jq/blob/master/src/compile.c

[unkempt python]

Imagine ignoring jq’s use as a programming language and just piping json into it to format

[wraith hound]

https://github.com/thaliaarchi/wsjq

[unkempt python]

Omg it’s a programming language

[bleak maple]

Sweet heaven https://github.com/wader/jqjq

[thick osprey]

Mmmm, we are so back

[thick ore]

skibidi drone 🔥

[idle elbow]

wait just realised

your name is toki pona

holy sh

[scarlet peak]

wtf is jq

[thick ore]

jquery

obviously

[scarlet peak]

no its not

jquery is just javashit

[vale raven]

Javashit

Why did you say Java twice?

[scarlet peak]

- j for java, s for shit

[thick ore]

excuse me?

[vale raven]

you heard me

[thick ore]

java is fire

[tropic ore]

kopi luwak (java edition)

[jaunty wraith]

!e

from datetime import datetime
print(datetime(year=10_000, month=1, day=1))

[royal lake]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     print(datetime(year=10_000, month=1, day=1))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | ValueError: year 10000 is out of range

[jaunty wraith]

Weird

[harsh tundra]

I think they handle only up to 9999... Yep. That makes sense. Date formats have 2 last digits or 4 digits, so it's impossible to know how to handle parsing/printing (since they should each handle each other's output)

[glossy niche]

no fucking way

[round pendant]

i was surprised by the fact that someone did this rather than it being possible
its a pretty feature-rich language after-all

[tardy rain]

wdym

people constantly do random shit

its like a tech person passtime

[scarlet peak]

how is javascript just a bunch of dicts?

[grave cove]

json query (i made ts up)

[robust zephyr]

Same way Lua is a bunch of tables

[scarlet peak]

is it??

wow

[narrow coral]

Python is too :p

What in python is not a dict?

[scarlet peak]

oh yeah, __dict__

[scarlet peak]

an integer

thats an array of 32-bit unsigned integers

[narrow coral]

It is an object type and objects r dict

[scarlet peak]

i love how dicts have a __dict__ that is also a dict

[narrow coral]

Lmaooo

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
print(type(dict.dict))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'mappingproxy'>

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
mp = type(dict.dict)

print(mp.bases)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

(<class 'object'>,)

[scarlet peak]

what

wtf is a mappingproxy

[narrow coral]

!e print(3.dict)

[royal lake]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1
002 |     print(3.__dict__)
003 |            ^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid decimal literal

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
print(type(int.dict))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'mappingproxy'>

[scarlet peak]

oh they're all mapping proxies

!e ```py
T = type(dict.dict)

class A: ...

print(set(dir(T)) - set(dir(A)))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'__ror__', '__ior__', 'items', '__class_getitem__', '__reversed__', '__contains__', '__getitem__', '__len__', '__iter__', 'copy', 'values', '__or__', 'get', 'keys'}

[narrow coral]

ror

rawr

roar

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
class A: ...

print(set(dir(dict)) - set(dir(A)))

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'setdefault', '__ror__', 'popitem', '__ior__', '__len__', '__getitem__', 'items', '__reversed__', 'get', '__iter__', 'fromkeys', 'clear', 'keys', '__class_getitem__', 'values', '__or__', 'update', '__setitem__', '__contains__', '__delitem__', 'pop', 'copy'}

[scarlet peak]

hm

[acoustic moss]

.uwu

[median dome]

:white_check_mawk: youw 3.12 evaw job has compweted with wetuwn code 0.

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
T = type(dict.dict)

class A: ...

a, b, c = map(lambda x: set(dir(x)), [T, dict, A])

print(a - c)
print(b - c)

what

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | {'values', '__reversed__', 'copy', '__contains__', '__getitem__', '__len__', '__or__', 'get', 'items', '__class_getitem__', '__iter__', 'keys', '__ior__', '__ror__'}
002 | {'values', 'setdefault', '__contains__', 'items', 'popitem', '__delitem__', 'keys', 'update', 'clear', '__reversed__', 'copy', '__or__', '__ror__', '__getitem__', 'get', 'fromkeys', 'pop', '__class_getitem__', '__ior__', '__setitem__', '__len__', '__iter__'}

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
T = type(dict.dict)

class A: ...

a, b, c = map(lambda x: set(dir(x)), [T, dict, A])

x, y = a - c, b - c

print(x - y)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

set()

[scarlet peak]

wow they're literally the same thing

[glossy niche]

I simply wasn't familiar with jq's name

jquery really is incredible

[lone crag]

I can't do anything because of multi factor authentication can someone help

[tropic ore]

try assigning a key to both

[scarlet peak]

!e ```py
mpT = type(dict.dict)
mp = mpT({})

mp["hi"] = "hello"

cheers

[royal lake]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 4, in <module>
003 |     mp["hi"] = "hello"
004 |     ~~^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: 'mappingproxy' object does not support item assignment

[scarlet peak]

wait if it's read-only, how the fuck does it get updated

or does it just get reassigned

[tropic ore]

it's an internally updated thing..

[scarlet peak]

ah i see

[weak peak]

what is the context?

[buoyant gust]

I found my lost headphones after months i'm very happy 😭

OMG I love easyeffects and all these pulseaudio modules

I GOT 52 MILIMETRES SPITFIRE

SPITFIRE

https://open.spotify.com/track/0IzEFIuQ216h7pq4HKsqY4

fuck you spotify advertises

my premium expired

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1193469668409757736.webp?size=48&name=sadge

[round pendant]

it keeps a reference to the dict, and just accesses stuff through it

class mappingproxy[K, V]:
  def __init__(self, mapping: Mapping[K, V]) -> None:
    self.mapping = mapping
  def __getitem__(self, key: K) -> V:
    return self.mapping[key]    

[scarlet peak]

ah i see. is the inner dict a private C attribute?

[tropic ore]

yes, but it's surprisingly easy to access

oops

!e ```py
d = dict.dict | type('',(),{'ror':lambda _,x:x})()
d['ham'] = 5
print({}.ham)

[royal lake]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

5

[bleak maple]

That's a hilarious use of __ror__ wow
Edit: It occurs to me much later that this is the “I combinator” in practice.

[supple tree]

🥯

[jovial oriole]

#esoteric-python

[narrow coral]

advertisements*

[bleak maple]

All three OT channel names are about food right now.

[tropic ore]

what is an I combinator

[glossy niche]

It's always like that when you are hungry enough

[buoyant gust]

renpy games are fun

i want to make a design a vn at some point in my life

[narrow coral]

All the best

[supple tree]

uhh people who here has some experience on Linux and nvp

I wanna use VPN but when I wanna connect it open window with this provide the secrets for the VPN connection "vpnprofile" and asking for password and idk what password

i typed the VPN password but it didn't work

kubuntu btw

[round pendant]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/descrobject.c#L1064-L1074

[royal lake]

Objects/descrobject.c lines 1064 to 1074

static PyObject *
mappingproxy_or(PyObject *left, PyObject *right)
{
    if (PyObject_TypeCheck(left, &PyDictProxy_Type)) {
        left = ((mappingproxyobject*)left)->mapping;
    }
    if (PyObject_TypeCheck(right, &PyDictProxy_Type)) {
        right = ((mappingproxyobject*)right)->mapping;
    }
    return PyNumber_Or(left, right);
}```

[tropic ore]

fixed?

[round pendant]

no, the ->mapping is the issue
but im not sure if it can be fixed? idk if things that implement ror would be fine with getting a mappingproxy rather than the dict

[tropic ore]

oh wait i get it yeah

but i've already seen it..

[tropic ore]

i just thought the ifs were new for some reason

[supple tree]

🥯

[bleak maple]

Here's a pretty damn dry take on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKI_combinator_calculus

Maybe this is less awful https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic

[rough sapphire]

Somebody tell me that Ur proud of me

Please

[bleak maple]

Hey at least you got out of bed today probably! That's an achievement in the grand scheme.

[rough sapphire]

Mm yes

Suffering is a achievement in the grand scheme of things too maybe

[bleak maple]

It means you carried on, at least.

[rough sapphire]

How long will it go

I want to be a dog

Or something

I hate everyone

[bleak maple]

I feel that at the moment. I've been struggling with motivation.

Mostly I'd rather just go sleep in a lake.

[rough sapphire]

are U okay now

I'm sitting near some random hospital miles away from my dorm

[bleak maple]

Dunno. It varies by the day.

[rough sapphire]

Let everything work out for you 🤞

[alpine tusk]

what does that mean?

[bleak maple]

It means I've been grappling with depression. Good times etc.

[azure tartan]

wait bagel

B A G E L

[unkempt python]

Never heard that but sweet metaphor (my first interpretation was quite drastic and a little worrying)

Anyways I feel u bro

[rough sapphire]

been having misanthropic tendencies lately as well lol.

[unkempt python]

It’s like hard to care abt people shiiish

[bleak maple]

I had the most 1-star delivery experience yesterday, I'm still pondering how to write the review. Maybe I'll engage ChatGPT on it.
They canceled everything in my order as out-of-stock except an iced coffee, but didn't call me.
They just gave it to the delivery driver to take to me.

[lament cairn]

did you order directly from them or use smth like doordash?
if it's the latter, check if you can report the store

[bleak maple]

Sadly it was Doordash.

[glossy niche]

yeah, mfs who claim to empathise with anyone and everyone always strike me as dishonest, it takes effort to care about someone and actually help them, if your empathy is free it might be cause it's worth 0$

[lament cairn]

that's
the definition of free

[tardy rain]

I charge for my empathy

By the hour

[acoustic moss]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[thick ore]

absolute cinema

[quasi blaze]

What is the average rating requirement of a hotel for you guys from 1 - 10?

[tardy rain]

10 scale isnt that common for hotels

But stars also wildly vary

I'd say 3star and up

[quasi blaze]

On Expedia, the 10 scale is used

[tardy rain]

We dont really use expedia tbh

[harsh tundra]

That's hotel standard for that country, not user scores tho.

I've recently browsed some offers from travel agency and they have their own standardised "stars" (they use sun icons to not confuse people) because country regulations vary a lot... And their 5 "star" one has lower reviews than 4 "star" for the same country. Tbh after reading the reviews, I'd go with the technically-lower-standard hotel as well

[tardy rain]

Theres also google reviews which are stars and out of 5

[harsh tundra]

In Egypt, 4-star hotel is like European 3-star.

[rough sapphire]

bold claim

[harsh tundra]

That's literally what people travelling there before told us... And considering what one of our "4-star" hotels had, some elements are even lower than European 3-star... That bathroom was just disgusting.

I say "one of our" because we had a trip down the Nile, so we were in total of 4 hotels. After arrival, then boat hotel on Nike, then after we got to the coast we got to yet another hotel (some people transferred to airport from there), and then final hotel for last few days of chill (that's the only one we could choose, so we chose 5-star)

[fathom musk]

Whats so bold about it?

[rough sapphire]

IDK, have been to 4-5 both European and Egyptian hotels, didn't get to have the disgusting bathroom experience so far.

[harsh tundra]

Like, I literally said different countries have different standards for assigning stars. European 4-star is higher standard than Egyptian 4-star, it's just a fact. Egyptian 4-star is just closer to European 3-star. And I mean actual quality points, not "has a pool" checkbox for some points that they easily score.

[rough sapphire]

sure.

[fathom musk]

So u shrugged off a statement explained in detail with just your anecdotes?

I couldnt have phrased it any poorly

I hope the message came across tho

[rough sapphire]

IDK how his statements are any more authoritative than mine, so cry me a river ig.

[radiant maple]

Hi everyone! I’m new and really need help. I have a Python file (deriv_autotrade_bot.py) for a Deriv trading bot, and I want to run it as a .exe on Windows. I don’t know Python, can’t install anything, and have no money. I tried Stack Overflow, Reddit, and #python-bot-help, but got no .exe. Can someone kindly convert it to .exe for free or share a free Deriv bot that’s already .exe? File: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U_BS9UBwxw6vQxXbSFUbE0ARpLrY2DYy/view?usp=drive_link
Thank you so much!

[fathom musk]

No

And use github to share code next time

And use nuitka

For .exe conversion

It is dangerous to share and accept .exe files from strangers

[harsh tundra]

Who "his"?

[harsh tundra]

If you don't know python, how did you get that file? And why make an exe when you could just learn to run the file as-is, ie learn the literal most basic things in python?

[fathom musk]

u seem to have missed the point of what i said
after that retorting with coping is funny lol (those who saw the unedited msg will know)
anyways

[cobalt remnant]

Fedora 42 has removed eza. Time to ditch fedora.

[fathom musk]

eza is?

[cobalt remnant]

modern ls replacement

It's probably only temporarially removed for licensing reasons.

[fathom musk]

Why would anyone need a replacement for ls?

[rough sapphire]

waa!

[cobalt remnant]

eza supports git and icons

https://eza.rocks

[fathom musk]

I ditched fedora when i got lib264h issues

[cobalt remnant]

It's also a replacement for tree

[fathom musk]

Oh interesting

[rough sapphire]

.EXEs (or packaged scripts) are often labeled as malware, there's no merit to this.

[cobalt remnant]

The better question is "Why do you need to make an exe?"

[rough sapphire]

probably to run it with double click

can do that with a batch file though.

[radiant maple]

just pack it into EXE.. I don't know how.. please

[rough sapphire]

did you just ignore everything that has been said?

[radiant maple]

I don't understand English.. I use a translator.. I don't have time

[rough sapphire]

so? is the translator doing a bad job?

[radiant maple]

Yes.. the translation is not clear.. the wording is not precise

[rough sapphire]

why do you need to convert it to an exe?

[harsh tundra]

Again:

If you don't know python, how did you get that file?

And why make an exe when you could just learn to run the file? That is, learn the literal most basic thing in python?

[radiant maple]

I don't understand at all... the person tried for me... and didn't finish... disappeared and doesn't answer

[rough sapphire]

hm...

[harsh tundra]

How do you know that person didn't try to hack you?

[radiant maple]

This is my friend.. he disappeared

[rough sapphire]

disappeared as in vanished, dissolved, ran away, kidnapped?

[radiant maple]

It's not funny guys.. I'm from Ukraine

[rough sapphire]

try your luck in #python-discussion.

[radiant maple]

Ок

[quasi blaze]

Why would anyone be okay to share a bathroom?

[acoustic moss]

probably because it costs less

and theyre willing to make the tradeoff

[quasi blaze]

With a stranger?

[woeful phoenix]

It's not so unreasonable

[acoustic moss]

i mean theyre not using it at the same time

(hopefully)

[young shoal]

does everyone at work have their own private bathroom

[quasi blaze]

No

(Unless if you're working from home)

[young shoal]

are you ok with that

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[young shoal]

even if there are people you haven't met?

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[young shoal]

why?

[quasi blaze]

Because there's a substantial difference in using the washroom at your work vs using the washroom where you sleep (particularly in this case a hotel)

At the hotel, the shared washroom will be used for showering. There's no showering at work so you don't have to worry about seeing your co-workers pieces of hair. You won't need to worry about your co-worker leaving smeared toothpaste on the sink. You will need to be careful on not using the wrong towel for showering because it could be the one being used by the person you are sharing the washroom with. That's why it's there's a difference in using a shared bathroom at work vs at a hotel

[low chasm]

tfw my college dorm has the entire floor share one bathroom

[quasi blaze]

Yuck

[low chasm]

to be fair they're large bathrooms

multiple shower stalls

and like, you don't keep your stuff in the bathroom, you might have a bag or something with your personal stuff that you carry around

I share a bathroom with my sister at home, so I'm used to hair 🥴

[grave cove]

learn to deal with it

they force a lot of college kids to do this so they learn to deal with it

[low chasm]

yeah if it's like, a couple of nights at a hotel, you can probably just deal with it

[grave cove]

if college kids can deal with it for a full year you can deal with it for a few days

[young shoal]

college kids notorious for their high standard of living

[grave cove]

real

[bleak maple]

Can anyone think of a terser idiom for this kind of deal?
echo $PATH |tr -s ':' '\n' |grep -i node

I mean, this works but ugh
echo $PATH | awk -F: '{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++) if(tolower($i) ~ /node/) print $i}'

[quasi blaze]

Hotels really offer travellers to share a room with strangers. That's crazy

[low chasm]

isn't that also what hostels do

[quasi blaze]

idk

My mind is blown with this

Why would they allow this?

Without any kind of proper screening

[low chasm]

they're a cheap way to stay somewhere (maybe you're traveling solo/backpacking/whatever), you'll share a room with a bunch of other people and amenities

[low chasm]

what sort of screening?

[low chasm]

also I don't think I'm aware of any hotels that do this

[quasi blaze]

Well when you're sharing a unit with a complete stranger, You can't really screen each other to see if you've shared a room with a nutcase

[low chasm]

sure, that's a risk you're taking.

but like, do any hotels actually do this?

I'm aware of hostels and the like

[bleak maple]

"Hi, nice to meet you, I'm Keezy."
"Warbutcher."

[low chasm]

yeah idk I'd be willing to wager that most people are at least mostly sane

[quasi blaze]

I was looking at a hotel room that has a twin bed, it costs $0. So I asked my friend who frequently travels if I had to share the room with someone else if I booked the room and he said I do

[low chasm]

the room costs $0?

[low chasm]

that doesn't seem right

maybe it depends on how many people you're booking for, so it can't tell you the actual price until you've put in how many people are staying.

[quasi blaze]

One person

[low chasm]

I kind of doubt that they're going to give you the room for free

have you tried seeing if anything changes if you select the room?

[grave cove]

common people arent important enough to do all that

[quasi blaze]

I'm definitely paying the overall amount. it just shows $0 for the room

[uneven pine]

Keezy really do be the kid calling all the $1 car ads on craigslist asking if it's still available for $1

[quasi blaze]

Stop mischaracterizing me

[low chasm]

is there anything there that indicates that you'll need to share the room if you book it?

[uneven pine]

Stop being so easily
mischaracterizable

Why are phone keyboards like this

[quasi blaze]

I just read the description. it says "private bathroom" as part of anemeties

But then why would there be twin beds for one person

[low chasm]

well, hotels don't stop one person from booking a room with multiple beds

[tardy rain]

This one time we booked an entire hostel room

It had bunk beds

Was fun

[low chasm]

all of my cousin's work trips compensate her with a hotel room with two beds

even though it's just her

(on the other end, I've also shared a single room with two beds with my five person family)

[tardy rain]

I think thats most hotel rooms

[low chasm]

yeah actually, single beds might just be less common

[tardy rain]

Even if you ask for one bed its usually actually 2 beds pushed together

2 beds in a fitted sheet

[honest star]

Generally hotels are 2 double or queen beds, or 1 king size. They won't really do 1 queen unless it's a boutique or micro hotel

[quasi blaze]

There needs to be a software that predicts the fluctuations of flight prices and that determines whether I should buy or wait

[high verge]

its easy

holiday? major event? literally nothing of interest:

[bleak maple]

I used to actually use a service that did this but I guess it got shut down, I can't remember the exact ending of the story.

Aha kayak.com still does it, and can alert you via email when prices drop

Aha, this seems to be what the thing I used to use evolved into https://www.skyscanner.com/

[honest star]

flights.google.com still does this too

[serene marlin]

As a beginner how can I start learning python for free

[vale raven]

!resources

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[serene marlin]

ty

[narrow coral]

I saw this Asahi Lina drama

And i was like "is Asahi Lina the one who made Asahi linux?"

And nope

[thick ore]

Chat is this a fire timestamp format

5:59AM

though that is not the correct time

it is currently 2pm for me

[uneven pine]

sure, just ...fix it lol

as long as it's accurate

[vale raven]

No

An inconsistent number of characters will choke any parser that needs specific formats

[thick ore]

im sorry

what do you suggest mr doggo

[vale raven]

Me?
ISO 8601, always

[thick ore]

thats yyyy-mm-dd right

doesnt show the time

[thick ore]

oh nvm

ok apparently Go calls that "RFC 3339"

here it is

[woeful phoenix]

are you writing an init?

[jovial oriole]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing

[thick ore]

yessir

[wraith hound]

they're different standards that have some overlap in syntax

this is a picture I've seen in a couple different places

[thick ore]

so basically just a stricter iso 8601

[vale raven]

Oh shit

Yoink

I never knew the exact differences

[quasi blaze]

I get nervous booking flights because if I do, it’s a point of no return (I can’t cancel it)

[wooden silo]

Yes, flying sucks in almost every way

[stark prawn]

that's what insurance is for

[quasi blaze]

You would rather drive towards your destination?

[brazen ingot]

lol

[willow narwhal]

I wish you could make transactional bookings

As in: you choose flights/train rides/hotel rooms etc. including prices and then you click on a commit button that buys all at once, and it either succeeds completely or doesn't book anything.

[green breach]

That would be awesome

[low chasm]

depends on how far it is

road trips are fun

I've driven 15 hours to Chicago and Florida

[vale raven]

Not that far

My back hurt

[quasi blaze]

Jesus

I philosophically believe that time is also currency

So if you think that the time to drive from point A to B is worth more than flying to B from
A then more power to you

[vale raven]

What do you do with the extra currency that you didn’t have to spend because you flew?

[quasi blaze]

You could have arrived to Miami, Florida a lot earlier if you took the plane from Chicago

[vale raven]

Right

[quasi blaze]

And have more time on your vacation

[vale raven]

I arrive 6h earlier, I now have, for example, $60 extra
Where do I spend that $60?

[quasi blaze]

How would you have $60 extra if flying is more expensive?

[vale raven]

Using your analogy that time is currency

Say 1 hour ~= $10

Each day is 24 hours or $240

If the flight is 6 hours shorter than the drive, then I save 6 hours — or $60 in analogy terms — by flying instead of driving

Where do I reinvest that?

[tardy rain]

Send it over i'll keep it safe

[quasi blaze]

I think you’re misunderstanding the analogy. i think you are taking word “currency” too literally when I say time is also currency

The time in driving to Florida from Chicago (it’s actually 22 hours according to Google)

Flying from Chicago to Florida (almost 3 hours)

If money is more valuable to you than time, then driving may be your option, if not then flying would be your option.

It’s going to cost you time to drive there so therefore, it’s metaphorically currency to me

[tardy rain]

What about gas money

[scarlet peak]

trip = 1207 miles
avg american car does 26.4 mpg (from 2022)
1207 / 26.4 = 45.72 gallons
avg $3.07 per gallon of gas = $140.36 in total of gas for trip

[tardy rain]

That sure is a lot

What about the cost of not going on holiday at all

[scarlet peak]

in contrast, here are the flights you can take

hold on im british

[scarlet peak]

gas money would be £105.99

so already there's a flight option that's miles cheaper

and miles quicker

[tardy rain]

What about the mental cost of preparing for air travel

[scarlet peak]

mental cost?

as in packing your suitcase like a day or two before like a normal person?

and then

[tardy rain]

Yea dealing with airports and sitting in a shit seat for 3h or however long

[scarlet peak]

pirate some movies or TV shows

carry a battery pack or two

could bring an offline game

or two

or three if you really are that bored

journal something, read a book

airports arent that bad

[tardy rain]

🤨

[scarlet peak]

the waiting can be passed with all sorts of methods

[tardy rain]

You just said youre british

[scarlet peak]

indeed, lad

tarquin, i go by

[tardy rain]

You been to a uk airport?

[scarlet peak]

yeah

[tardy rain]

They suck

[scarlet peak]

i dunno about you but they're kinda fun

i said it

stone me

[tardy rain]

😩

Absolutely terrible take

But ok

Every time we go on holiday the airport part makes me wanna rip my hair out

30min walk to station
30min train to next station
10min wait
20min train to stansted
push past slow ass families and groups through security
no working toilets nearby in terminal
burger king as cheapest food option
overcrowded

water fountains always red or closed down

Our biggest issue is stansted is the closest airport

We should try london city some time but no ryanair flights from there

Actually our biggest issue is we chose to move to this island

[scarlet peak]

maybe i have rose tinted glasses

we'll see

i'll go on a flight with a friend somewhere and see how it goes

i'll see if this is a terrible take

[tardy rain]

Try luton and report back

[wooden silo]

I mean, yes, sometimes

[honest star]

Sometimes the roadtrip is part of the vacation

[quasi blaze]

They are airlines that don’t allow a carry-on luggage to the cabin for basic fare passengers. Do you guys advise for those passengers to buy a tracking device their carry-on bag incase the airport workers lose their luggage?

[open cliff]

depends on the company, and the destination- but there wouldn't be any harm placing an air tag just in-case O.o

[scarlet peak]

heard that place is a piece of shit so absolutely not

[tardy rain]

Yes but what can you do if your checked bag gets flown across the world

Last time i checked a bag it was at the gate so i could see it get on the plane

But if you cant, youre kinda fucked

[low chasm]

we always have something to track our bags if we're checking them in

but yeah you can't protect against everything

[low chasm]

the roadtrip is fun too, which is the thing

granted not everyone likes driving long distances

I'd like to do a drive across the U.S. at some point

[timid latch]

I think the longest roadtrip we have done is driving basically in a circle around Scandinavia, Norway -> Sweden -> Denmark -> Norway, stopping at some really nice spots along the way

[low chasm]

we drove to chicago for a wedding, I think that was right around 15 hours

we had this huge rental car since it was my immediate family, uncle's family, and two additional cousins

[bleak maple]

Oh no this kid doesn't screw around with the jq: [.. | objects | keys[]] | unique]

(as seen in the rather chonky cookbook https://github.com/jqlang/jq/wiki/Cookbook )

[thick ore]

chat should i make my init system use microservices?? 🔥

gRPC

systemd will finally have a competitor

[solemn tulip]

mfw distributed init system

[thick ore]

separation of concerns guys

i will have nodejs microservices each for mounting filesystems and managing services

[wicked haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microkernel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_operating_system

Already been done /hj

[solemn tulip]

I've hurd about it

[scarlet peak]

how did you get from sweden to denmark? i thought that place was just islands and shit

or is there some tunnel and im just monumentally stupid

[timid latch]

Tunnels

And bridges

[timid latch]

Also Denmark is not an island, it literally has a land border with Germany

[scarlet peak]

yeah i knew that. idk why i said island

i think its just between denmark and sweden is water

you cant drive on water

so island

[tardy rain]

Im sure denmark would rather be an island than border germany

They have more defensive castles than trees

And guess who they were defending against

[round pendant]

or can you

[glossy niche]

OK but how will you init the network service

[weak peak]

The Øresund Bridge is an option

[deft spade]

Have fun with this code

a = True
b = False

if a:
    b = True

[bleak maple]

Half of an OR gate

[wooden silo]

We built a very large bridge so you can drive across from Sweden to Denmark.

[jovial oriole]

Lol

[high verge]

yo guys what are the best extensions for writing vba on vs code

FUCK wrong channel

[tardy rain]

vba in vscode is kinda yikes

[high verge]

i need auto complete and intellisense

[tardy rain]

The excel editor has autocomplete

[high verge]

didnt seem like it when i was typing(didnt autocomplete the Private keyword 🙁 )

[deft spade]

my bruteforce program has been running for a couple hours 😭
I am trying to brute force one magic number I need for another number.
Also I am not hacking anything, I am just brute forcing some math

also the program is written in c++ for better performance. and it's been running for around 4 hours. it is calculating 100 B numbers

[high verge]

weird flex but ok

[green breach]

What is the number you are trying to solve?

[wicked haven]

is it multithreaded?

[prime lagoon]

This is understandable. I used this structure before.

[prime lagoon]

Hmm. Curious. What is the problem?

[narrow coral]

<@&831776746206265384>

spam in all channel

[jovial spruce]

!cban 1002287045605064844 Ad, spam

[narrow coral]

somehow it stopped after posting in the 3 ot channels

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @amber trench permanently.

[jovial spruce]

Thank you!

[narrow coral]

:)

back to getting motivational quotes from @serene plover

[serene plover]

[narrow coral]

channel name

technically u are a typo but u could work too

since i dont see any other luna(s) online

[serene plover]

[scarlet peak]

why not just use existing magics?
-# or is this not for a chess engine?

[narrow coral]

100B numbers?

[thick ore]

i have 100b numbers stored in my brain right now

you dont know if im lying

[acoustic moss]

name the 7th one

[thick ore]

6

it starts from 0

because i am programmer

🧠

[steady gale]

#python-discussion message

@wooden silo used the free version of GPT

it never tells me that im wrong 💀

i think bad for ppl who are new to coding, they could be thinking about something entirely unrelated to the problem if they are using this tool to debug?

[wooden silo]

It does say that line won't work, though

[steady gale]

wym?

its valid python

the line should work

[wooden silo]

Ah, right

[steady gale]

gpt caught you 😭

[wooden silo]

So you mean it doesn't contradict you when you say it's wrong

[steady gale]

yeahhh

[wooden silo]

Ok, let me try with o3

[steady gale]

how much did you pay for it tho..

[steady gale]

damn

[wooden silo]

Plus is 20 bucks a month

[steady gale]

so worth it?

[wooden silo]

For me it definitely is

I use it all the time

[steady gale]

do you use it when you are learning too?

[wooden silo]

I use it for all kinds of things, tbh

But yes, for sure

[steady gale]

what about the good old we gonn look at docs

or read the source code

explaining it to yourself instead of having a tool doing it for you?

[wooden silo]

Looking at the docs has a very specific use case for me, which is looking up some individual exact detail in some kind of library API for example

Like, what does this particular parameter do, or what parameters does this function take, etc.

Not conceptually learning how to use a library in a broad sense

[steady gale]

have you ever thrown like thousands of lines to it?

to debug?

[deft spade]

I got some key I am trying to crack, and I solved all the equations except the one that requires some kind of magic number, so I am bruteforcing math to get the number so I can reverse it.

[wooden silo]

I don't typically use it like that, but that's becoming more viable now with agent mode.

[deft spade]

Yeah

[steady gale]

damn.. so for now you know your code

[deft spade]

Well, a little more. Let's say its 128B

[wooden silo]

I mostly ask it to like generate some function where I already know more or less how to do it but I want to save myself time by having the AI write the first draft for example

I may throw an error message in there to see if it can give me some ideas of what it means or how to solve it

But it's like exploratory, I don't accept the output wholesale, I review and maybe modify it

[steady gale]

so the saying is true that if you dont use it you're gonna left behind?

[wooden silo]

I'm not sure if that's the case, but I don't see why you wouldn't use it when it's helpful

It feels like it's still early days with regard to integrating LLMs into our workflows

So it's hard to say what it'll turn into in the long run

[thick ore]

do you need to bruteforce the math

like lets say 2x=7, i wont go through every single number to find x

[deft spade]

I just put lots and lots of different formulas and equations and all the other weirdness and bit shifting
I just packed a program with everything that came to my mind while I also bruteforced magic numbers and bytes and idk what I did anymore

[thick ore]

bro made a whole lotta nothing

[deft spade]

Lmao, it's not really like that .
It's more like
Try this: (number << bitshift) * magic number
Nope
Try this: ((number * magic number + bytes) >> bitshift) - magic number
Nope
And then different stuff

Then it becomes something like
Try this: (((sum of magic numbers * bytes) >> bitshift) - (magic number << bitshift) / 2)
Nope..

[acoustic moss]

128B is probably gonna take a few hours

[deft spade]

It did take a few hours

It took me around 5 hours, then I gave up and tried a different approach

Ok I have to go.
Please don't ping me anymore unless it's not important

[wooden silo]

Ok, we'll only ping you if it's not important.

[narrow coral]

What is a 100b number?

And what were you trying to calculate?

[steady gale]

17 seconds is alot btw, you've also checked the reason button right?

[deft spade]

Oops, I mean
Ping me only if it's important

[deft spade]

Magic number which is the last number I need for my key I am trying to crack

[wooden silo]

No, o3 always does that

It's a little slow, but very smart

[bleak maple]

Anything cooler than py-spy I should be using for profiling?

[elfin nebula]

@surreal blaze are you online these days?

[lament cairn]

long way to go

[outer viper]

hi i need help with something. My uncle challenged me and my brother at who can program the best game. the winner gets $200. Can someone help me?

[thick osprey]

What type of help are you looking for?

[unkempt python]

Hey guys wanna go to youtube.com/dWqakjfhntotarandomurl

[lament cairn]

no

[unkempt python]

Aww

But

It’s not a Rickroll

[bleak lintel]

https://pydis.wtf/numbers is also not a rickroll

[lyric forge]

@next vessel i'm just looking to implement a method by hand, because i want to do some cool things alongside each evaluation of the integrand

what kinda methods have you done?

i'm looking at this one currently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[next vessel]

embed spoiled it lol

I've just done it in math class though, not programmatically

[lyric forge]

ah gotcha

i am just wondering about the methods themselves

have you looked at runge kutta methods by chance?

[next vessel]

Doesn't ring any bells

[lyric forge]

ok np

i guess the simplest one is "Euler's method"

y = y + f(t, y) * dt
t = t + dt

i'm needing to use something that's accurate to a higher order in dt though

f(t, y) = dy/dt(t, y) is the integrand

[next vessel]

hmm, this is a bit beyond what I know sadly. Looks interesting tho

[lyric forge]

npnp

thanks for looking anyway

[dense sable]

@lyric forge like a partial derivative? Check your math here over at the math server. Can come back and we break it down in code

[frozen coral]

I agree, great site

[glossy niche]

https://youtu.be/e0AIkYrXAYE the TS wizard revising his takes on "TS feature considered harmful" for the millionth time

might as well write a research paper on this

[tardy rain]

Types were a mistake

Let things be whatever they want

Fuckin js fascists

[glossy niche]

return to ASM86

no types

just ones and zeroes

[ebon shell]

things-i-need-and-would-be-very-happy-if-they-happened-:3-uwu:

• codeforces having dark mode
• bigger music list
• not being depresed

[thick ore]

the first step to a bigger music list is to widen your taste

listen to something else other than japanese songs man 💀

[vale raven]

And the first step to not being depressed is having something bring you joy

Like new music

[thick ore]

tru

[vale raven]

Took the dog on a walk because I was upset

Then this thing came on https://open.spotify.com/track/5qU65Gw7v1U498o1rb6NAq

And by the end of it I was too busy laughing to remember what I was upset about

[ebon shell]

what

the

fuck

why

[ebon shell]

idk i listen to queen ig

[vale raven]

lol

[vale raven]

it's unique, aint it?

[ebon shell]

that

does not even begin to describe

[tardy rain]

May i introduce you to my friend, DJ X?