ot1-perplexing-regexing

[glossy niche]

makes me wanna kms

my lambda is nice and on node 20

[vale raven]

Depends on the company
One of my apps is already running on 3.13

But.... what does the version of Python matter when comparing space saving "optimizations" of one install vs 50 different exe(s) each which their own install?
Your way would require 50 different updates, while just installing would only require updating once

[vale raven]

Don't talk like that

[brittle void]

why 50 different exe's?
for different architecture and os?

[vale raven]

Imagine you have 50 different programs to run

And you made an exe for each one

Now you have 50 copies of Python that each have to be rebuilt individually

[brittle void]

why rebuild?

if it works... ?

[vale raven]

So you're just going to stay on the old version forever?

[glossy niche]

ight Mb

makes me wanna put 5 forks in a microwave

[brittle void]

hell nah

[vale raven]

So you're going to rebuild them all?

[brittle void]

and also, cant i just combine all of those scripts into 1 exe?

ok nvm

that'd be inefficient to use

[glossy niche]

if you want to optimize space then I think pdm has a pnpm style cache for packages, but idk if that fixes whatever problem you have

[brittle void]

a python installed portable env sounds good

[vale raven]

That's what I did
They're in a container called steve
The argument passed in determine which one it does

So for example, to email everyone their morning reports, a cron job runs docker run --pull always --detach ghcr.io/idi/steve:edge daily-reports

But to make sure the cached data is up-to-date, every hour it runs docker run --pull always --detach ghcr.io/idi/steve:edge update-orders

[tardy rain]

We use 2.7, 3.8, 3.11

[vale raven]

Do you personally still touch the 2.7?

[tardy rain]

Yes

[vale raven]

My condolences

[tardy rain]

Most of what i do is in 2.7

[vale raven]

Whenever I get a job, I hope I'm not forced to use many versions
I can't keep multiple versions of syntax in my head at once

[tardy rain]

Its not that bad tbh but i dont do anything special

So far been caught lacking by dict insertion order once

Also annoying 2.7 errors about unpacking dicts and such

[prime lagoon]

Steve needs a container named Adam.

[quasi blaze]

I am not the only one https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/s/sBCv2BCocn

[quasi blaze]

Do you think one can effectively engage in a weekly meeting about finances without having at least a fundamental understanding of finances?

[spare oriole]

i dont have to, it's not my job.

[quasi blaze]

That’s not what I asked you

[honest star]

If I was expected to attend a weekly finance-focused meeting with a person there whose job it is to do the finance stuff, I would expect that person to effectively communicate the important stuff in a way I can understand.

If there's a gap in understanding or terminology, the finance person should be able to explain and cover the gap.

[quasi blaze]

Meeting about finance for the sake of finance

[young shoal]

there's no basic understanding that can give you understanding of complex topics that you need an expert for

[abstract briar]

I get 50kb download speed when installing tensorflow with pip. Other libraries downloading at normal speed. Can you try downloading tensorflow?

[tardy rain]

Broken record moment

[grave cove]

bro is unemployed?

[tardy rain]

I swear to god if you post this one more time I will ban you irl

[tardy rain]

Your situation is not similar to the guy's in the post simply because you refuse to ask about your manager's opinions

In your own words, "you dont ask questions"

[quasi blaze]

But the fundamental understanding will give you the base idea and knowledge of what the expert does and it’s a whole lot better than having no understanding at all

[young shoal]

but you still need the expert to make it easier to understand. and the expert should be able to provide that baseline understanding

[quasi blaze]

Okay so how does this refute my claim

[young shoal]

it's not a refutation, more a refocusing

[quasi blaze]

Are you suggesting that it’s not a good idea for every employee to have a fundamental understanding of what every employee does in a company because an expert surpasses the knowledge of the fundamental level?

[young shoal]

no

[quasi blaze]

So then where’s the disagreement?

[young shoal]

it doesn't matter whether someone has a fundamental understanding or not

[quasi blaze]

Why?

[young shoal]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[tardy rain]

Keezy what are you getting at

[quasi blaze]

Okay so if I got your position right, it’s not a necessity for every employee to have a fundamental understanding of what every employee does in a company because an expert has the knowledge anyway

[tardy rain]

Are you suggesting your manager doesnt have a basic understanding of the tech used?

[young shoal]

sure. if someone needs to know, then they can ask

[quasi blaze]

My argument is that if you’re in a weekly meeting about X, in order to effectively engage in this meeting, you should at least at a minimum have a fundamental understanding of X regardless of experts of X in the meeting

[tardy rain]

Why are you making this argument

Is someone you know at work lacking this basic understanding?

[quasi blaze]

I am making this argument because i think it’s detrimental to not have any knowledge about the subject of the meeting taking place especially if it takes place weekly

[young shoal]

but that's saying nothing. obviously you should know what the meeting is about

[quasi blaze]

Okay so do you agree with my position?

[tardy rain]

Ok, was there an inciting incident though? Perhaps some frustration with a non-technical manager?
What made you get up this morning and post this here

[young shoal]

but this is different from what you were talking about earlier

[quasi blaze]

That’s irrelevant

[tardy rain]

What is

[young shoal]

not really. look up "xy problem"

[quasi blaze]

It doesn’t matter what inspired my argument

[young shoal]

it matters if you want to fix things instead of just argue

[tardy rain]

See youre trying to get people to agree to this inoffensive sentiment of "everyone should have a basic understanding" but then you'll say "hah well my manager doesnt"

But you dont fucking know

CAUSE YOU DONT ASK QUESTIONS

[quasi blaze]

That’s not what I am talking about though

[tardy rain]

It sure is though

[quasi blaze]

I am talking in general

[tardy rain]

Now you are

As soon as someone agrees you'll switch up

You've done it before keezy we're not fucking stupid

[young shoal]

the problem is that when you make your statement general, it loses any meaning. obviously you should know what a meeting you're in is about, at least tangentially. but this is clearly different from someone knowing about all areas of the company

[robust zephyr]

I think it's pretty clear that they do like arguing and not actually solving problems

Every time I look in here the same thing is happening

[young shoal]

real

[lament cairn]

#python-discussion message @rough sapphire

My harddrive was replaced with a windows installation media
What does this mean? can you give more details?

[rough sapphire]

like

I was trying to get windows on a usb stick and then after i was done i wanted to play a game but my game started updating, i was confused because there shouldn't be any patches at the moment, after i found out that i wasn't updating anything

i was installing the entire game

I then went into the files and my entire disk drive was instead of 1.8tb it was 32gb

And EVERYTHING i had on there was gone

[grave cove]

You probably formatted it

There are probably some tools to recover it but they’re not reliable

[rough sapphire]

Not reliable?

[grave cove]

yes

[rough sapphire]

Like unsafe?

Or not probably to work

[grave cove]

no; they just can’t get all the data back

[rough sapphire]

I'm using disk drill right now

[grave cove]

or they may get corrupted data back

[rough sapphire]

its gotten 24 gb right now

Any i get back is better than nothing

[lament cairn]

what tool did you use to create the bootable usb?

[rough sapphire]

microsoft azure

[lament cairn]

what?

[rough sapphire]

its like

[lament cairn]

i found azure dev tools. is that what you were using?

[rough sapphire]

yes

[lament cairn]

hm

yeah sounds like an accidental format

anyways next time have backups ready :)

[rough sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813142231321804880/1209991447248633996/evisu__20240213_1.gif

[lament cairn]

disk drill is good but it has a file size limit

you can only recover like 700mb with the free version

it'll show all the data it found but it won't be recoverable past 700mb total

[rough sapphire]

i have to pay?

[lament cairn]

to recover everything, yes

[rough sapphire]

how much

[lament cairn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the program should have a page for like

pricing

last time I had to recover files from a hard drive, I used photorec
recuva is also an option
not sure how good either of those are compared to disk drill

[rough sapphire]

i dont mind

i will pay

why is it read only

and how do i change it

[lament cairn]

is it a removable drive?

[rough sapphire]

external

[lament cairn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

could be disk failure, usb controller being mad for no reason, windows thinking the partition needs repairing, etc
you can try making it writable with diskpart on cmd., there's a few tutorials online showing how to do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xc0OXImk2M

[rough sapphire]

Thanks

what i could do

i guess

is just clip the clips on there

that i want

xdd

im not paying 100 ngl

[rough sapphire]

@lapis trench

okay here

[lapis trench]

e

[rough sapphire]

you said

mines has if statements, variables, loops, and printing

[lapis trench]

yes

[rough sapphire]

i have all of those except printing

i dont have a terminal

ill need to write a driver for that

[lapis trench]

like this ```
assign x -> (5)

while (%x > 0) {
reas x - 1
printf
}```

[rough sapphire]

wait let me

btw is ur language compiled

[lapis trench]

its only parsed

[rough sapphire]

mines compiled

toward my vm bytecode

[lapis trench]

whats a compiler?

[rough sapphire]

oh wait

my compiler is a little broken rn

for some reason i didnt fix while loops xd

[lapis trench]

what is a compiler

[rough sapphire]

it turns code to assembly

[lapis trench]

oh

[rough sapphire]

heres a program

0000 0010 0000 0001 0000 0000 0000 0101 
0000 0010 0000 0010 0000 0000 0000 0000 
0000 0100 0010 1000 0000 0000 0100 0011 
0000 0110 0000 0100 0000 0000 0000 0000 
0000 0010 0011 1111 0000 0000 0000 1010 
0001 0000 0011 1111 0000 0000 0000 0100 
0000 0010 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0101 
0000 0100 0011 0100 0100 0000 0100 0011 
0000 0100 0000 0000 0001 0001 0000 0000 
0000 0110 0000 0010 0000 0000 0000 0001 

[lapis trench]

it finally works! ```
assign x -> (5)

while (x > 0) {
reas x -= 1
printf

}```

[rough sapphire]

ld r1 5 
ld r2 0 
mrtn r3 r1 r0 
ld r4 r0 
ld r63 10
bnz r4 r63
ld r0 5 
mul r3 r1 r4 
add r0 r4 r1 
ld r2 r1 

:p

anyway im gonna go on my phone

[lapis trench]

mines

just takes individual lines

and interprets it into python code

and executes it

[rough sapphire]

im back

[rough sapphire]

nahh

[lapis trench]

but first

it adds all those intepreted lines and adds it to a list of all the lines

then it exectes it

[rough sapphire]

hm

mine does it character by character

[acoustic moss]

holy shid hes back

[carmine apex]

🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

yesnt why did you leave us

[tardy meteor]

im hooked on board game arena has anyone tried it

[dry scarab]

Only one thing i tried this week was sololearn. And im the third in my league

[strange blade]

uwu

[small coral]

.uwu #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[median dome]

uwu

[brittle void]

.uwu

[median dome]

^^ uwu https://discowd.com/channyews/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/1285938801771810869

[small coral]

oh god.

[brittle void]

just do it

[small coral]

corrupted discord link.

.

[brittle void]

.uwu

[median dome]

^^ uwu <https://discowd.com/channyews/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/1285938801771810869>

[small coral]

.

ooh

[small coral]

.uwu

[median dome]

^^ uwu <<https://discowd ʘwʘ com/channyews/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/1285938801771810869>>

[brittle void]

.uwu

[median dome]

^^ uwu <<<https://discowd> ʘwʘ c-com/channyews/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/1285938801771810869>>

[quasi blaze]

Someone really said that logic is invented in #python-discussion . Smh

[torpid hare]

my computer runs on 2, 1 and 0's

I add a new type of transistor

[brisk nymph]

fart

[eternal depot]

What do you mean? You've never invented logic?

[glossy niche]

is it not?

[quasi blaze]

It’s discovered

[tardy rain]

Where was it discovered?

[grave cove]

eh

depends how you look at it but not really imo

[solemn tulip]

what are your subjective choices of axioms?

[lament cairn]

not sure if I'll stay but yes for the time being I'm back

[lament cairn]

wanted to reduce my screen time and my discord server count

[solemn tulip]

and you ditched pydis of all servers 😭

[acoustic moss]

😭

[lament cairn]

this was the only public active server I was in ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn tulip]

also, anyone fancy salad?

salad

[acoustic moss]

um

if you say so

[solemn tulip]

I didn't make the rules

[dapper dew]

Mmmmm food classification

My favorite bike shedding topic

[acoustic moss]

post the taco cube

https://cuberule.com

[dapper dew]

ALL HAIL THE CUBE RULE

C U B E R U L E

No identifiable form of starch means it is a salad

[glossy niche]

I admit I haven't thought too deeply about it but I've always viewed mathematics as something humans invented to make sense of the world

but also, in a way, I feel like this is sort of unfalsiable cuz I don't have a way to prove either side correct

[solemn tulip]

what is a potato?

solid cube?

i.e. a new category?

[solemn tulip]

a semi-sensible take is that the axioms are chosen/invented, corollaries from those are discovered

[quasi blaze]

Universally, 1 + 1 = 2. This isn’t invented. This is based off of basic reasoning.

[grave cove]

it is invented though

[quasi blaze]

How?

[grave cove]

we came up with it

[quasi blaze]

Do you think 1 + 1 wouldn’t equal two in another universe?

[grave cove]

sure

[acoustic moss]

we defined what 1 and + mean

[graceful basin]

the axiomatic system under which 1+1=2 is logically true holds regardless of universe, and its properties were indeed discovered, but that axiomatic system was invented

[quasi blaze]

How would it be logically reasonable for 1 + 1 to not equal 2 in another universe?

[grave cove]

i dunno, have you been to another universe?

i haven't

[solemn tulip]

*1+1=2

[quasi blaze]

If you don’t know then why would you make that claim?

[graceful basin]

fixed

[grave cove]

i never said that it was true. i simply said it could be true

[graceful basin]

it is a very obvious way to make that axiomatic system, so it may seem somehow fundamental to existence, but it was very much invented.

[quasi blaze]

How could it be true?

[grave cove]

i dunno, its another universe

[quasi blaze]

I am looking for the base in your answer on what made you come up with that conclusion that it would be possible

[graceful basin]

in fact, it was invented several times, incorrectly.

[grave cove]

idk what the point of debating of 1+1=2 in another universe is

[solemn tulip]

1+1 could be 0 with reasonable-ish axioms

[quasi blaze]

Because my argument is 1+1 = 2 would be true in all universes

[grave cove]

can you prove it mathematically?

[quasi blaze]

It’s axiomatic

[grave cove]

that's not how it works

you can say anything is axiomatic and it would be true

[solemn tulip]

1+1=2 is not an axiom

[quasi blaze]

You have one and then you add another one. That equals to two.

[solemn tulip]

it's a corollary

from the axioms we chose

[grave cove]

but what if there exists another universe in which it doesn't work that way

[quasi blaze]

That’s not how mathematics work.

[grave cove]

why not?

[quasi blaze]

Because mathematics is axiomatic

[solemn tulip]

as mentioned before, the universe doesn't matter, the chosen axioms do

[grave cove]

who are you to dictate the laws of another universe?

[grave cove]

what does that even mean

[quasi blaze]

We don’t dictate anything. It’s all predetermined for us

[graceful basin]

mathematics is built around inventing definitions that describe ocasionally useful things.

[grave cove]

tfw math is occasionally useful

[graceful basin]

in the case of 2=1+1, they were invented to count things

[grave cove]

math phds when someone finds a practical use for their research:

[glossy niche]

something something rationalism

[grave cove]

that's leaning more towards the philosophical side

[quasi blaze]

But no matter how you write the formulas or the equations. The conclusions to the answers will always remain the same (if your math is correct)

That’s why it’s not invented

[grave cove]

yes, if your logic is correct and two people agree on the axioms, they must necessarily agree on the conclusion

[glossy niche]

have u seen the 360 page proof that 1+1=2?

[solemn tulip]

not if you were to pick some different axioms

[quasi blaze]

The conclusions to the mathematic answers were not invented

[graceful basin]

yes, if your chosen axioms represent the phenomena you're using them to describe accurately, they'd in fact describe that phenomenon accurately, regardless of who invents them.

[solemn tulip]

(the proof isn't 360 pages)

[graceful basin]

I would argue that's not exactly a useful statement tho

[glossy niche]

162*

[grave cove]

aint nobody readin allat

[solemn tulip]

you could prove 1+1=2 in a few pages if that was the actual goal

they just threw it in later on because why not

[graceful basin]

you can just make up axioms which do not represent the phenomenon accurately, and then you get a different result suddenly

[solemn tulip]

you shouldn't need much more than some succ

[graceful basin]

and fundamentally, mathemantics, unlike most science, is not actually about describing real-world phenomena

[grave cove]

real

[glossy niche]

https://youtu.be/ysNyWFQstto?si=

idk how to explain it but I think this gives me better perspective into this

[graceful basin]

the mathematical process is approximately - pick a definition, research what conclusions you can get based on that definition.
Now, there are some moderately obvious definitions, especially relating to geometry and counting and such, but even then, they were picked arbitrarily.

[glossy niche]

I have no explanation, only vibes

[graceful basin]

(fun fact: it is pretty damn hard to actually make a proper logical foundation for all of conventional mathematics that is sound and makes sense).

[solemn tulip]

it's more like you kinda can't

[graceful basin]

I honestly don't remember what the status on that is

[solemn tulip]

Gödel's incompleteness theorem and whatnot

[young shoal]

yeah that thing

[young shoal]

it follows from axioms that are chosen

[glossy niche]

where did the philosophy majors go

time to bother them again

[eternal depot]

It was definitely keezin time

[vale raven]

Beech I'm Batman

[stark prawn]

🦇

🚫 🐶

[quasi blaze]

That’s not an axiom then if you have to “make them up”

Axioms are references of facts that are proven.

[patent girder]

.wa s define axiom

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

a saying that is widely accepted on its own merits

[young shoal]

axioms are not proven

[quasi blaze]

They are proof that has been established

[glossy niche]

i was taught in school that axioms where just things that we take for granted are true

[young shoal]

nope. look it up

[glossy niche]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom

In mathematics, an axiom may be a "logical axiom" or a "non-logical axiom". Logical axioms are taken to be true within the system of logic they define and are often shown in symbolic form (e.g., (A and B) implies A), while non-logical axioms are substantive assertions about the elements of the domain of a specific mathematical theory, for example a + 0 = a in integer arithmetic.

[grave cove]

aren’t axioms like the smallest unit

you can’t break it down more to prove it

[glossy niche]

sumn like that

[quasi blaze]

I did

[glossy niche]

whats the source for this

[glossy niche]

cuz it contradicts whats written here

[young shoal]

source?

[glossy niche]

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/axiom#:

[grave cove]

💀

[young shoal]

ah

[quasi blaze]

U beat me to it

[tardy rain]

Whats the proof that an axiom is true

[grave cove]

isn’t finding good source documents taught in college

[tardy rain]

Not really

[young shoal]

yes

[stark prawn]

You mean wikipedias sources? :p

[grave cove]

well I guess at least learned

most of my geneds had writing components where a certain number or vetted academic sources were required

[tardy rain]

Well yes, you learn but youre not taught

[glossy niche]

honestly, wikipedia gets exponentially less useful if you have a degree on the topic

[grave cove]

I guess learned would be the better term then

[glossy niche]

i found myself using it a lot less after graduating

[grave cove]

I like it as a starting point

[young shoal]

you can't prove an axiom. for example the parallel postulate. it isn't true or false, it just changes what geometry you're talking about

[grave cove]

Wikipedia sites their sources

[glossy niche]

well yea, its a great starting point

another starting point i like is rational wiki https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page but mostly for anything involving pseudoscience or the like

[patent girder]

I think that would be the case for any encyclopedia, they aren't supposed to contain in-depth knowledge on topics, they cover a bit of everything

[glossy niche]

yea

id like to think LLMs would compliment that nicely if you RAG it nicely

[patent girder]

I think that's likely to be the case in the future, when they get more reliable and common apps have an in-built way to interface with them

[graceful basin]

that is neat, axiom somehow simulatinously means "a fact that has already been proven", and "the foundation of a logical system on which further proofs can be built". In this case, I use it in the latter meaning. For example, when defining natural numbers, you don't prove that zero is a natural number, you state that zero is a natural number, and that the successor of a natural number is a natural number. Those are two axioms of natural numbers.

[jovial oriole]

Bro what is going on with my math instructor?

today she got a call and everyone agreed her to pick it up

afterwards she explained that it was a doctor telling her that her mother is in a vegetative state

and she legit said "her health is sort of like a sinusoidal function, it keeps going up and down. She just about to die. Im sorry i interrupted the lesson guys, i did not come yesterday and i might not come a couple weeks in the future"

And went back to teaching like nothing happened

[karmic gust]

kind of sounds like your math instructor explained exactly what is going on with your math instructor

[thick osprey]

Agreed. Unfortunate that she can't take more time off but she is likely just focusing on the day-to-day.

[jovial oriole]

bruh

Im more surprised about how plainly she explained that

[patent girder]

People deal with grief in different ways

[quasi blaze]

So since we hashed out the discussion of mathematics being invented or discovered. Can we all unanimously agree that the mathematical formulas are invented and mathematical conclusions are discovered?

[torpid hare]

math it's literally what is happening

descartes thought math was something that we born with

[karmic gust]

what's the difference between an equation and a conclusion?

[grave cove]

Nahhh sinusoidal function is crazy

[quasi blaze]

I misspoke. Equations have a conclusion in them

[hybrid rock]

It's perhaps better to think of such math more as like painting, but with logic. It need not be useful.

[grave cove]

yeah its a form of art

[hybrid rock]

(But often is because the things we find interesting tend to be somewhat based on reality in some way)

(Nature gives us puzzles we like)

(In the past math was all constructive, and based on real problems)

(That's why Euclid's elements is all about constructing things (that have to do with physical (locally Euclidean) geometry (e.g. a house)))

[carmine apex]

what's with the parens did this turn into lisp-discord

[hybrid rock]

(yes)

[carmine apex]

[hybrid rock]

Side notes to side notes.

Trig for example came about from the physical based desire to compute volumes of domes and such (lots of cones, cyclinders). I wonder why...

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftraveldigg.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FTaj-Mahal-Pictures.jpeg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=6a7ae9b4c4ddd66bc34c6b094b98b93dea4b2b2b39eec09427e63ed3c7348597&ipo=images

[quasi blaze]

@grave cove do you agree?

[hybrid rock]

An invention is a discovery + some tool built from that.

So it's both.

[grave cove]

is this a trick question. like that one puzzle where the waitress asks if every mathematician at the table wants water

[hybrid rock]

You discover some math, then invent some tool from that (e.g. the quadratic formula).

The tool lets you discover more math.

[vale raven]

No, they’re going to to eat, they’re going to splurge on the Coca Cola
You BETTER NOT try to offer them P*epsi

[hybrid rock]

IDK why this question keeps being brought up. It's really straight forward IMO.

No major insight to be gained from this.

Engineers (for the physical version of this) focus on making tools mostly, and making them very good. A physicist might discover it first, but their tools are often pretty bad at first and they are not interested in making them really good unless they really need them for the next step they see.

(In reality people in these fields are a mix of these professions)

(All physicists in the past would tend to make their own tools (with the help of a lot of assistants), making them engineers too)

(Now these tools are so complex that you often need to specialize in them (a physicist might understand the general ideas of a lithography machine for CPUs, but can they build one? Probably not))

[hybrid rock]

Both the discovery and the tool are considered "math." (invention is not separate from discovery, so it's not either or)

[grave cove]

try it, it's fun:

When three professors are seated in the restaurant, the hostess asks them: “Does everyone want coffee?”

The first professor says: “I do not know.”

The second professor then says: “I do not know.”

Finally, the third professor says: “No, not everyone wants coffee.”

The hostess comes back and gives the coffee to the professors who want it. How did she figure out who wanted coffee?

[young shoal]

and a bunch of numerical methods were super old, like used by the babylonians

[vale raven]

“IDK” means they do, but they don’t know if all three do
When they get to #3, he doesn’t want any coffee, so he says no
So the hostess just gives coffee to the IDKs

[grave cove]

based

[hybrid rock]

A lot of math when presented as just the end result seems impossible to come up with until you realize that the way they do it is by guess and check (often numeric before analytical), just like in science. After which they get a general idea of what is probably true, and then assume it's true and try to prove it.

(It's an important step in math to "want something to be true")

If you look at old math, it's all a bunch of numeric computed tables by hand and then based on that try to find the pattern (this is prior to plots which were a major invention).

(Or it's geometry (because no symbolic algebra yet, which is the same thing written another way))

Babylonian numeric search was realizing that you can do binary search for guessing and that this was better (hot/cold).

(And that each guess it closer to the correct value than before so you can keep going, this is a major key insight)

(Early seed of limits)

[young shoal]

bro loves parentheses

[robust zephyr]

Maybe they want us to evaluate the sentences in parenthesis first

[young shoal]

hmmmmm

[glossy niche]

bro speaks a lisp dialect

[fringe rain]

bro uses BODMAS

[outer pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/soda-pop-brands-gif-22935809

[undone granite]

No way, its Guido

[torpid hare]

how a country block a site like X for the entire country

I get it now, the police come in with a warrant

and the own employees of the company have to take it down

[lament cairn]

initially brazil's equivalent to the FCC, Anatel, sent out notices to ISPs telling them to block certain IP ranges
ever since Elon bought Twitter, he moved their infrastructure from Google IPs to their own IPs and ASN
that makes it easier to block

now it would be more difficult had Cloudflare not cooperated with the brazillian government because now visiting twitter is like visiting any cf protected website, and the only way to tell would be through plaintext DNS requests or through DPI

[lament cairn]

this block is quite unusual as it's not the typical lousy "block DNS and call it a day" that ISPs typically do for stuff like piracy websites. it was an actual IP ban. couldn't even ping twitter's servers

[lament cairn]

that wouldn't work in this case because elon closed X offices in Brazil specifically to avoid retaliation by the government

[jovial oriole]

Das what im saying

[torpid hare]

what did you mean by ASN? Autonomos System Number? It's it a layer above ip range?

[outer pebble]

Yes it is the Finnish guido

[lament cairn]

what did you mean by ASN? Autonomos System Number?
yes
It's it a layer above ip range?
no, you can think of it as an ID given to ISPs
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/asn/
An Autonomous System (AS) is a group of one or more IP prefixes (lists of IP addresses accessible on a network) run by one or more network operators that maintain a single, clearly-defined routing policy. Network operators need Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs) to control routing within their networks and to exchange routing information with other Internet Service Providers (ISPs).

[torpid hare]

so, it's correct to say that have a lot of variations on the routing policy across the world?

[lament cairn]

wdym

[torpid hare]

for example, the routing policy from a y country doesn't allow routes that access specific range of banned web applications

[lament cairn]

i think so yes

countries can choose to tell isps to not route certain ips or ip ranges

or route them differently

[torpid hare]

or the Internet Service Providers have a common standard that all they can communicate

[lament cairn]

so can an isp choose independently to not route certain ips without a previous court order, for example

[lament cairn]

it depends on the country

[torpid hare]

like cloudflare does?

[lament cairn]

im not that sharp on networking stuff

[lament cairn]

cloudflare is a bit different i think. they reroute banned traffic internally but still receive it

[torpid hare]

got it

[young shoal]

bgp goes hard

[torpid hare]

border gateway protocol? bgp-4?

[solemn tulip]

moon

[brittle void]

bro has split keyboard
should also be coding in rust, and wearing thigh socks

[solemn tulip]

a lot of python recently actually

also jfc, I have a diffmarker where one arm is 900 lines

[young shoal]

🗿

[brittle void]

guys, what kinda style should i go for?

[deep pawn]

Definitely not that

[brittle void]

should i go for the old, classic style instead?

[solemn tulip]

skye

you can also spot some local honorary local birds

[junior hearth]

classic sky

[solemn tulip]

||cranes||

[junior hearth]

classic birds

[young shoal]

pink

[lament cairn]

look at this tiny mf thing

[cloud oxide]

How doyou control a mouse with those things?

[patent girder]

pretty

[glossy niche]

ant eater

[solemn tulip]

mooncakes are not mice

[glossy niche]

what build r snow leopard

[cloud oxide]

?

[undone granite]

I love the emoji in your bio

[solemn tulip]

am joking

[lament cairn]

somewhere in between

[solemn tulip]

the keyboard can control the mouse, but I rarely use it

I just use a mouse

[solemn tulip]

tail

[cloud oxide]

But why is it efficiënt then?

[cloud oxide]

Windows when they remove the anticheat from the kernel

[solemn tulip]

comfortable hand positions for typing

I have a keyboard heavy workflow anyway, so I don't use the mouse much unless I interact with a web browser/browsing code

[quasi blaze]

I read my preparation sheet before the exterminators came in and did treatment in my apartment and it says

“Do not be alarmed if you see increased pest activity for 7 to 14 days after the treatment. This is normal and it is the result of the treatment.” How is this a normal part of the treatment?

[grave cove]

seems like something you should ask the exterminators

[graceful basin]

The pests are being actively threatened so they start doing more things than normal I'd guess

[young shoal]

if your house is on fire, do you continue as normal?

[grave cove]

[quasi blaze]

No

[green pelican]

Now, you might think it odd that after a pest control treatment pest activity would go up, but in some cases that can happen. The good news is, these spikes usually only lasts a couple of days and is part of the effective removal process.

A pest control service doesn’t use products to make more bugs appear in hopes you’ll hire them longer, but the products they do use can actually drive pests out of hiding.

seems chill

unless psvm is a certified pest control expert

oh nvm im slow

thats what hey werer saying

[patent girder]

I also misread it 🥴

[outer pebble]

💀

[glossy niche]

https://youtube.com/shorts/t3gJIo7GCnY tape measure lore is INSANE

[brittle void]

hey @thick ore

u there?

[thick ore]

yes

[brittle void]

finished playing?

i need some help from u again

u free?

[thick ore]

Errm

what kinda help

[brittle void]

its react again

js, not ts

[thick ore]

oh

whats the issue

[brittle void]

<input
    type="checkbox"
    className="tristate-checkbox"
    checked={currentVal == valuesArray[0]}
    onChange={(event) => {
      cycleStates()
      if (onChange) onChange(event)
  }}
  ref={(elem) => {
    elem.indeterminate = currentVal == valuesArray[1]
  }}
/>

is this not an ok way to make a checkbox element to change to the intermediate state?

[glossy niche]

what is that ref doing

have you considered useRef?

[brittle void]

making that checkbox's current state as intermediate, based on some values

[brittle void]

i m doing that rn

[glossy niche]

yeah but ive never seen anyone using it like that

[brittle void]

but some guy saw that above code and said that this is a bad practice

[glossy niche]

also, both on change and a ref?

you usually only need one

usually you would just have an on change that does a setState()

https://react.dev/reference/react/useRef#manipulating-the-dom-with-a-ref

[brittle void]

now im doing it like this

useEffect(() => {
  if (inputRef.current)
    inputRef.current.indeterminate = currentVal == valuesArray[1]
})


const inputRef = useRef()

<input
    type="checkbox"
    className="tristate-checkbox"
    checked={currentVal == valuesArray[0]}
    onChange={(event) => {
      cycleStates()
      if (onChange) onChange(event)
  }}
  ref={inputRef}
/>

idk if im still doing it in the way, that'd be considered as a "good practice"

or, in the "react" way

[glossy niche]

that useeffect looks sus

where dependency array

i actually forgot how to use effect

[brittle void]

ok, i'll include that too

also bro, idk why
but when i update a child component
it just updates every single parent component bro

why is it like that?

[glossy niche]

are you passing any state down?

[brittle void]

and why cant it just update only the child?

[glossy niche]

what "child" are you referring to here?

[brittle void]

im storing an object as a state
and im passing a value from one of its keys to the child
and i do supply that state's setstate function to the child component (this input tag)'s onchange function
so, does that mean that'll update the parent?

[brittle void]

that input tag is in a child component (say B)

[glossy niche]

have u read the docs?

react docs r very good

[glossy niche]

wait

what are the contents of on change?

if it contains a setState that updates the parent, then the parent will obv update

[brittle void]

ok i cant believe that i actually forgot ohw states work in react

so, states update the parent component in which it is created, and thus re renders every single child component
am i right?

[glossy niche]

if u update a parent children will update with it

[brittle void]

ok so, how do i make it in such a way that'll achieve this?
i need to share a value between the parent and its direct child
this value will be used to decide how to render a component using in-place conditionals,
like this

<input
  checked={currentVal == valuesArray[0]}
  onChange={(event) => {
    setCurrentVal() // currentVal is from the parent component. and we're inside the child component
    if (onChange) onChange(event)
  }}
/>

but it should also not re render its parent component
is there anything like this in react?
the only thing i find like this in react is by having such value in useRef and passing it inside the child component does the job what i expected
but people said that its not how useRef should be used

[glossy niche]

why in place conditional ?

[brittle void]

why not?

[glossy niche]

if you want something to persist across renders, put it in the state

[brittle void]

but its re rendering the parents unnecessarily tho

is it a big issue?

or is it normal thing that i dont have to worry about?

[glossy niche]

usually such a small rerender is not an issue

iirc use memo and use callback can be used to prevent a Re render

[brittle void]

i did use some usecallbacks for the functions that are defined under the child element
and that did reduce unnecessary re renders
but when i asked for some doubts in my code, he got so pissed off for seeing so many bad usage of usecallbacks
and said i dont need them

maybe i should take a deeper look into the docs

sigh time to start learning again

[glossy niche]

well yea rerenders are not that big of deal unless ur like rerender ing the whole page

[brittle void]

ok
got it
im just over exaggerating for optimizing it to oblivion
and then i'd just start to do premature optimization
is there a cure to not to do it?

[glossy niche]

only optimize when there is something to gain lol

like if you can NOTICE the difference

optimize

[brittle void]

i dont have much knowledge in dsa
by getting good at it, can i remove such paranoia in me?

[glossy niche]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyea

[brittle void]

🤨

[glossy niche]

but the thing is, algorithmic optimizations where you drop the big O of something are rarely the optimizations you need

usually its something like caching, etc

buffering, async operations, using the correct API

etc etc

[frozen crane]

@graceful finch I made moussaka

do you like or no

(I'm American)

[graceful finch]

Haha that seems pretty tasty.

Was it?

[frozen crane]

ye

[graceful finch]

W

[frozen crane]

this time I processed the onions and made the bechmael extra thick

made a big difference

[graceful finch]

Some greeks prefer pastitsio over mousaka. You should try to make it sometime.

[frozen crane]

oh interesting

[glossy niche]

oh, looks neat, what ingredients have u used?

looks pretty different from what my family makes

usually we use ground lamb + fried eggplants for the filling, and the top most layer is toasted pita + yogurt

[acoustic moss]

only greek food i remember is souvlaki

[glossy niche]

oh, im assuming thats the greek version, the version we make is the middle eastern one

[glossy niche]

feta cheeseis goated

esp in greek salad

[acoustic moss]

is that a pun

nvm feta isnt always goat cheese

[glossy niche]

wah?

pun ruined

[frozen crane]

@granite tree look at my food.
@quasi blaze you too, since you wanted to talk about food (albeit not in a free-for-all channel like this one)

[granite tree]

That is outstanding. Love moussaka (and pastichio or however you spell both

[quasi blaze]

I never heard or seen this kind of food before

[tardy rain]

I've never really liked moussaka

Weird texture

Same with pastitsio

[dapper dew]

Would a fair description be this is shepards pie but with eggplant?

I do have eggplant and potatos to use this weekend, this might be the dish to use them

[frozen crane]

the top layer is a white sauce, not mashed potatoes

[ocean pond]

Today 10 girls asked me out

[dapper dew]

Ah

[ocean pond]

Apparently it was ladies room

[dapper dew]

The bechamel

Looks pretty impressive!

[ocean pond]

If u are ugly, just show ur crush the more attractive female friends after getting friendzoned from them

Works everytime

[rare wing]

$$$

[glossy niche]

I think sour cream > bechamel

by a lot

[tardy rain]

Yes

Bechamel is yucky

[glossy niche]

do u guys serve ur massouka cold or hot btw

we usually serve it cold

[tardy rain]

Hot usually

[solemn tulip]

would you reject a lasagna?

[glossy niche]

no, I would put sour cream on it

sour cream mixed with fresh thyme :3

[solemn tulip]

so both bechamel and sour cream?

or would you put sour cream in it?

[glossy niche]

NO BECHAMEL

[glossy niche]

I would put sour cream right below the top most layer

too most layer being cheese

now that I think of it, my lasagne is pretty unauthentic lol

[solemn tulip]

🥴

that feels like a crime

[torn pier]

and i like choccy pizza, what's more crime?

[dapper dew]

Choccy pizza is more of a cookie cake though

[torn pier]

with fruits :D

[glossy niche]

some crime is fun and harmless like jaywalking or impersonation

[glossy niche]

u

u r mixing savoury and sweet here

[torn pier]

😊

[solemn tulip]

it's not like that's an uncommon thing

[robust zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[torn pier]

pineapple pizzas good too :D

havaiian 😋

[torn pier]

who cares?

[frozen crane]

@stiff robin I've been meaning to ask you about that 20+ year old "personal kit" repo of yours. have you written anything about how you designed it?

[stiff robin]

It's mostly just accreted.

[frozen crane]

do you have it pip installed everywhere you use python, or what?

[stiff robin]

Well... yes and no.

For personal use it's just part of my standard account install, with the scripts in ~/bin and/or ~/bin-cs and the perl in ~/lib/perl and the python in ~/lib/python.

For reuse I install the whole checkout in /opt/css, with an /opt/css/env.sh which sets $PYTHONPATH and a few other things so that it is found - users can just source that.

For project use, pip install. The more reusable/stable stuff is on PyPI: https://pypi.org/user/cameron.simpson/

Some things go up there to support other things, so at need something might get spiffed up a bit and published so that pip install can get everything required.

[frozen crane]

perl?
the last person I talked to who uses perl was my advisor, and I left academia to work in the NLP department of a certain company. and even here, no perl.

[stiff robin]

Well, I don't write any perl these days. I had a bunch of perl stuff before I moved to Python, which was something I put off for more years than I should have.

[frozen crane]

what feature of perl do you miss the most and why is it autovivification?

[stiff robin]

Once you've got an installed base of code, shifting languages has this barrier that all your modules don't help you anymore - they need reimplemnting as needed.

"autovivification"?

Perl's kind of succinct. For tiny things it's all right. I wrote a lot of object oriented perl too, but Pythons just better.

Miy personal philosphy on languages is use the "smallest" tool which succinctly and clearly solves the problem. So my rough hierachy is usually essentially shell, awk, python depending on complexity and the task. Was shell, awk, perl. Ovbiously it isn't a strict hierachy.

[frozen crane]

autovivification. it's how my uncle described a language feature where nested data structures are created implicitly. In Python terms, suppose that foo['bar'][0] = 'hello' doesn't require prior instantiation of foo['bar']

[stiff robin]

Ah that. Yes.

defaultdict and the like is your friend in Python.

autovivication is handy, but to me it's like os.makedirs vs os.mkdir. I almost never use the former, too prone to accidents. (Looking at you, Docker.)

[frozen crane]

does this mean, then, that you're never in a situation where python is too small for the task at hand? is this a statement about the scope of the projects you undertake, or your opinions about the scope of problems that Python can solve?

[stiff robin]

Depends on small. You can build a lot of classes, and classes on classes. Etc.

[frozen crane]

Squiggle is joining the chat?
Are you two alts of eachother?

[stiff robin]

Some of it of course is a statement on what I personally tend to undertake.

Nope.

[hybrid rock]

Perl's regexs are a lot better than others (PCRE). Specifically having recursion makes it a full language. You can have named functions too basically.

[frozen crane]

I hold both of you in high regard, so take it as a compliment inasfaras my opinion matters.

[stiff robin]

There's recursion in Perl's regexps? Because I was pretty sure Pythons re module is PCRE compatible.

[hybrid rock]

I'm not sure on re's state, it probably does not have recursion and is an older version of PCRE.

But either way, everyone tries to copy / play catchup to Perl's regex.

[frozen crane]

what about """raku"""

[hybrid rock]

Raku is Perl 6, they renamed it.

[hybrid rock]

(It's also like pygame-ce in the sense that it's run / maintained by different people)

[stiff robin]

I'm a little leery of using regexps in some turing complete sense etc. Perl's overreliance on the in parsing is in some ways a detraction - you've got this one powerful tool and it gets used for everything.

I'm a big regexp fan, but feel it's a bit prone to making cryptic fragile things. Back to my "the smallest tool which succintly and clearly solves a problem" rule of thumb.

I've never used Perl 6, I shifted mostly to Python from Perl 5, about when Perl 6 was new.

[frozen crane]

oh, you just reminded me of a coworker who likes perl. which undermines my original statement.

he just had his 35th anniversary with the company.

[stiff robin]

Yes, sometimes Perl looks like line-noise to the uninitiated, but to the
seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line-noise with a mission
in life.        - The Llama Book

[hybrid rock]

This is a for a straight forward reason. People are writing their regex as one-off one-liners with no named variables. With proper PCRE you can write it like normal code and it's easy to understand.

And for that one-liner case, it's great, but meant to be used in an interactive environment, like vim.

[stiff robin]

... or sig quotes JAPH and all that.

[hybrid rock]

To be clear I don't like a lot of Perl, but there are some shiny bits that bring it up.

It's similar to Fortran in that regard, and I wish new languages did not just completely ignore them.

Problem is that everyone tends to code in their domain, and use a language that supports that specifically. So those making a new language are only focused on things in their domain, they may often not even be aware of the other ideas.

[hybrid rock]

I just realized this went over my head.

[frozen crane]

how so?

[hybrid rock]

I thought the quotes here were referring to it actually being Perl 6.

[frozen crane]

if I use more than one pair of quotes, it's a shitpost with no particular meaning. but I am aware of how the intended sixth major version of perl ended up as a separate language.

my aforementioned advisor refused to acknowledge it.

[hybrid rock]

Yeah, I was thinking about it from the POV of people that refuse to acknowledge it as its own thing that is legitimate. Not sure why this drama exists.

IDK the Raku lore.

[stiff robin]

ISTR that there were breaking syntax changes. Possibly large - I never really found out.

[glossy niche]

https://abc7.com/post/cat-travels-more-1000-miles-back-home-salinas-california-after-going-missing-yellowstone-national-park/15321422/

chat is this real

wait I misread this

I thought the cat walked 800 miles

fucking news outlets man

[prime lagoon]

I actually really like that. Some people only have a domain they like. I use G'MIC for that reason.

When I go outside that domain, it's C++ or Python for me.

But even so, I rather use a DSL if it is good for it

[harsh tundra]

@sullen pier re: #python-discussion message
I love weird decor, I guess? I have some skull (most probably dog's, but maybe fox's, idk) we found in a forest. I'm still sad that last fall we went to look for mushrooms and found a lot of bones (including vertabraes! it was some animal's old dinner - some bones scattered but also a lot in one place) but I didn't have anything where I could put them to bring home :c

[sullen pier]

I think I found cow skull fragments a couple of times

[vale raven]

Now there's a title I never thought I'd hear

[tardy rain]

Lmao

Girl with the dogs is great

The second channel is more fun

[granite tree]

My dog has a fetish for hair.

Leg hair, if you are wearing shorts

So damn annoying

[radiant cosmos]

anyone recommend any good anime to watch?

[ocean pond]

naruto

its not an anime, its an emotional rollercoaster with lot of thrills and suspense

every character has a proper background story shown

which ll help u connecting

let the ss speak for itself

[radiant cosmos]

i read naruto > 10 years ago. only newbies say naruto
anyone who is not a newbie recommend any good anime to watch (please don't say bleach/naruto/boruto/attack on titan/death note/one punch man/ kuroko no basuke/haikyuu/steins gate/gintama/GTO/berserk/assassination classroom/full metal alchemist. i have seen those)

[ocean pond]

mirai nikki

really good puzzlling story with beautiful ending

darwin game is another thrilling anime

but short one

if u want 100+ episodes anime then u wont find good stories except the one u already watched

[radiant cosmos]

if i wanted to watch hundreds of episodes i can always watch gintama.. there is no anime greater than gintama.. it is the 🐐

[ocean pond]

assassination classroom is also fun if u want laid back exp

[radiant cosmos]

again seen those oldies

[ocean pond]

classroom of elites got new season

[radiant cosmos]

i'm looking for undiscovered gems.. not the already popular bc i have seen those

[ocean pond]

also time i got reincarnated as slime

ah the hidden gem i consider is miss kobiyashi dragon maid
cute and fun anime with one of the best animations

[radiant cosmos]

seen

[ocean pond]

the jiggling physics is 📈

[vale raven]

chat get back up
you're too down bad

[ocean pond]

if u want some good romantic then The Quintessential Quintuplets is nice

[ocean pond]

u must have head of saiki K as well

talking about oldies, if u havent watched jojo then u cant talk about oldies

[radiant cosmos]

ffs

[ocean pond]

if u like fighting, u can watch whole series of baki

[radiant cosmos]

what part of undiscovered gems dont u understand?

[vale raven]

why you gotta hate on everything??

[ocean pond]

if it is undiscovered, how do u expect anyone here to tell u the discovery fool

use some brain cells

[torn pier]

hmm…

if it's undiscovered it is discovered it is undiscovered so it is discovered

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean pond]

how about just an assumption

[torn pier]

too

[ocean pond]

like someone says there are aliens but no one has discovered

[radiant cosmos]

in english undiscovered means not discovered by majority especially anime newbies like u. it means discovered by anime aficionados who know it's good enough to become popular before it becomes popular

[torn pier]

they are discovered

[ocean pond]

in short "weebs"

[ocean pond]

oh who

where

[torn pier]

idk

[ocean pond]

[radiant cosmos]

no

[torn pier]

just

[radiant cosmos]

okay i m watching frieren now 👋

[ocean pond]

lol

typical weeb, asked to suggest some anime, then went to watch the anime he was already planning

[torn pier]

xD

[ocean pond]

and who only talks by emotes 👎
emo-boi

[radiant cosmos]

it was suggested by an aficionado. not a wannabe newb like you

[torn pier]

emo xD

[ocean pond]

ok a weeb suggested another weeb

[willow narwhal]

Alright kids, calm down

[torn pier]

and?

[bright scroll]

Brooooo

[opal stump]

im hiring anyone who can do extensions for my project (wage free)

[bright scroll]

I lost the credit

[lament cairn]

lol

[opal stump]

project looks like this

i will dm link to a documentary thingy

its pastebin dw

[fading frigate]

You want people to work for you for free?

🤔

[opal stump]

its like a free collab thing

but this idea is stupid

[fading frigate]

So why not just call it a collab

[opal stump]

no idea

lmao'

im js dumb

[opal stump]

h

[glossy niche]

hiring
"wage free"

[ocean pond]

I use spotify on lappy but never got a single add

[plush sun]

CSS question. I'm only curious if it's possible, but is there something in CSS that can repeat parts of a rule? Something that matches all these paths: div section h1 div section div section h1 div section div section div section h1 div section div section div section div section h1 // and so on with repeating "div section" ```
div > section > h1
div > section > div > section > h1
div > section > div > section > div > section > h1
div > section > div > section > div > section > div > section > h1
// and so on with repeating "div > section >"

Search engines just keep giving me irrelevant stuff

[tardy rain]

Yes
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_nesting

Or maybe not, just reread what you typed

[plush sun]

Yeah, I don't think it's nesting

[tardy rain]

Probably need some preprocessing

[plush sun]

Yeah

Lemme see if Less or Sass has it

I can't find anything about it

I blame enshittification

I've noticed that div section h1 is all that's needed for this scenario, but that's not what I'm talking about

Lemme edit my question

[modern swift]

maybe check scss? dunno

[plush sun]

No luck either

[solemn tulip]

the :is pseudoselector maybe

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:is#simplifying_list_selectors

[plush sun]

That was my first thought, but I don't think it allows repetition

You would still need to manually add :is(div > section >) rules per repetition

[solemn tulip]

would you?

if you can nest them things should work, no?

stuff like

:is(
  div > section > :is(
    foo,
    bar
  ),
  table
)

[robust zephyr]

I can't think of any reason to be that specific and it's also slower to do this

[robust zephyr]

This looks bonkers to me

[lapis trench]

dip * 46
booster * 50
🐟 * 8```

[torn pier]

?

[lunar shore]

are game engines just abstractions?

abstractions for APIs like OpenGL and Vulkan and so on?

[patent girder]

I think it's more than that

[tardy rain]

Everything's an abstraction of differences in voltage

[patent girder]

But I'm not sure how you define an abstraction exactly

[lunar shore]

hmm

[lunar shore]

sure ig

[lunar shore]

Basically some code coupled into small functions or smth?

[patent girder]

I don't know enough about game engines but there's a lot of stuff they do to make your life easier

[lunar shore]

Or rather, aliases

[lunar shore]

yeah they do make your life easier ig

[patent girder]

Like ultimately you can say "this is all just an abstraction to draw some stuff on the screen with OPenGL" but idk

[lunar shore]

yeahhh

it's all just so complicated lol

[graceful basin]

game engines usually do more than just rendering, e.g. physics, model loading

[lunar shore]

Ahhhh righttt

thanks

[plush sun]

I think you misunderstood my question

I'm looking for a way to repeat parts of a rule, not pick any of two or more selectors

[solemn tulip]

huh, I assumed you meant the ability to extract a common prefix

div > section > :is (
  h1,
  div > section > h1,
  div > section > div > section > div > section > h1,
  div > section > div > section > div > section > div > section > h1
)
```the ability to "repeat this one or more times" seems like an unlikely thing to exist as a selector

[plush sun]

I kinda think so too

[solemn tulip]

is div > section > h1 not a specific enough rule?

it would match all of these cases, wouldn't it?

[plush sun]

It might be enough, but I thought I edited my initial post out of that

[solemn tulip]

so afaict your whole list of rules
(assuming you meant to , them together)
ends up kinda just collapsing to div > section > h1

not exactly equivalent because of specificity stuff, but basically the same

[plush sun]

That's true

Lemme find the code that made me ask the question

Actually, nevermind my question

[solemn tulip]

having different styles for h1 in the same document seems like an odd decision 🥴

[plush sun]

The code that made me ask my question has different properties for each repetition, making my attempt to find a single selector impossible

[plush sun]

Now that I think about it, true

[robust zephyr]

Why do you think you need or want such a specific selector?

Are you aware that if you change the layout of the HTML at all this will break?

> means direct descendent

[plush sun]

I am, I was under the assumption that the HTML wouldn't change

[plush sun]

To avoid repeating the same code

[robust zephyr]

Well that's a silly assumption if you ask me!

If you don't want to repeat code then use less specific selectors

Like, why not just make a .section-header class?

[solemn tulip]

(realistically, just a rule for h1 and similar)

[robust zephyr]

Yeah, that's totally an option too!

I've been at jobs where nested more than two levels wasn't even allowed

[plush sun]

I mean, why not just add classes for each different h1 at that point

[robust zephyr]

Because your headers are likely to be all the same

Just different sizes

Have you ever looked at how something like Bootstrap works?

[plush sun]

I have not, in fact

I was under the impression that Bootstrap is outdated

[solemn tulip]

or same size in em

[robust zephyr]

I think it's a matter of preference, but it's totally still usable

Tailwind is another popular option

[solemn tulip]

i.e. presumably you'll want a similar size relationship compared to the surrounding text size

[plush sun]

🌈 The more you know

[solemn tulip]

which afaik is the default behavior for the header tags anyway

[robust zephyr]

I would recommend choosing a framework and letting it do this kind of stuff for you, so you can have a good looking site without defining every little style like this

[plush sun]

That's fair

[robust zephyr]

• https://getbootstrap.com/docs/5.3/getting-started/introduction/
• https://tailwindcss.com/docs/installation

Both good options

[rough sapphire]

is that your dog?

[lament cairn]

no

snow leopard
from the many snow leopard image s i have saved

[rough sapphire]

very cool dogs

im a cat person though

[spare oriole]

Eating chiles in Mexico wasn’t such a good idea

[rose hare]

TIL in c and cpp, whether char is signed or not depends on implementation

and got -15 on a test because of this dangit

[acoustic moss]

what the fuck

"please give me a negative q character" - statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[solemn tulip]

who uses chars > 127 anyway?

ascii ought to be enough for anyone

[rose hare]

well the question wasn't about characters, but overflow

and I thought chars stored 0-255

and the question was asking what this outputs

char d = 173;
printf("%d", d);

(the correct answer is the negative one)

[sharp jasper]

Unless there was more to the question, the only correct answer is "it is implementation defined"

[solemn tulip]

there is also a good case to be made for not using char for numbers at all

i.e. use uint8_t

in C++ there is also std::byte for the case of "this is just bytes of data, I'm not treating these numerically"

[young shoal]

unsigned numbers bad in general

[solemn tulip]

there are sensible uses

[young shoal]

yeah

i think it's 1) treat data as bytes and 2) you actually want the wrapping arithmetic

[graceful basin]

if it is signed, it is actually UB to do this

signed overflows are undefined behaviour

did you happen upon a bad C course

[rose hare]

it's actually the data structure course

[solemn tulip]

why is this in a ds course? 🥴

[young shoal]

data structures but it's actually just primitive data types 🥴

[rose hare]

talked about data types (how the same bits can represent different things depending on the type it is)
which lead to how to represent (negative) integers

[rose hare]

certainly didn't expect this when going into the course 🥴

[young shoal]

did you learn about floats

that is pretty useful

[rose hare]

if you mean ieee754, not really, we skimmed through it
how to neg integers -> how to turn decimal(floats) into binary -> recursion(???) -> arrays(now)
now that I look at it for the 2nd time, why are all these things in the ds course

[young shoal]

rip

floats are based

[rose hare]

prof briefly mentioned that it's like scientific notation then moved on to the next topic

[young shoal]

that is indeed true

[rose hare]

iirc 1 bit for sign, 8 bit for exp, the rest for the number

f32

[young shoal]

something like that

[glass gorge]

Oh. boi... Today has been a real blocked / Slack arguments day. Can i just please write some code?

[graceful basin]

I hate that they picked C for this over a language with defined overflow behaviour, but it does make some amount of sense to treat signed overflow as defined in that course.

we did this in assembly

which is also about the only language where a signed overflow doesn't indicate a bug in your code

[rose hare]

our assembly class is like next year or something, so the timing is a bit awkward

[solemn tulip]

for most floats

(-1)**sign * 1.<mantissa bits> * 2**(exponent - offset)

[patent girder]

What does **sign mean? To the power of the sign? I don't get it

[acoustic moss]

if sign is 0 its (-1)**0 = 1

if its 1, its (-1)**1 = -1

[patent girder]

oooh I see

[solemn tulip]

(the "most" here ignores: inf, nan, subnormals)

[grave cove]

The illusion of choice

[vale raven]

[prime lagoon]

i can see myself sorting strings based on similarities and origins of their chars

[solemn tulip]

outside ascii lies madness

and poop emojis

[prime lagoon]

oh yeah, i didn't every chars. just a short bit over 100000 chars

[patent girder]

Monty Python mentioned

[carmine apex]

clara
good boy
🤨

[lament cairn]

Android malware is boring
most of it is either really simple and obvious phishing or apps that hide from google play's crappy automatic checks

[weak peak]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-meme-dead-death-bad-ending-gif-26049237

[jaunty wraith]

meow

[rancid haven]

He's so beautiful

[glossy niche]

horse posting hours

[thick ore]

did he really say that

[mild abyss]

🥴

[thick ore]

oh hey

i havent seen u in a while

[torn pier]

mrrr

[lament cairn]

mow!

[lament cairn]

Yes

[glossy niche]

do you guys know any apps that let you search the contents of images like in Google photos or Samsung or ios gallery?

I want something I can install on my win 11 pc or maybe an android phone that doesn't ship with it

[uneven pine]

I only know of one I heard of but it's MacOS only

And thus I don't even remember the name

[harsh tundra]

!rule ad <@&831776746206265384>

[royal lake]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[granite tree]

Hi, we don't allow self promotion or unapproved ads. Appreciate your goals, but please dm Modmail first for approval

[alpine tusk]

yum

[patent girder]

I would use a fork

[foggy jungle]

I am pleased you are back.

[grave cove]

have you considered making a site for all these pics

[tardy rain]

One already exists

[grave cove]

source?

[lament cairn]

i take these pics from twitter, go check them out
here are a few that i remember and that i found in image watermarks:
MarimoLoveSL yo3_wing ksk_no_suke Ohainko yukino_lr

[tardy rain]

Discord

[lament cairn]

I'm sure there are more accounts that I follow and download from but I can't verify
unfortunately I'm brazillian

[tardy rain]

Do you main mordekaiser

Huehuehue

[mint matrix]

Some silly Billy in an Indian call center forgot their f strings

[harsh tundra]

"of these 50 states" as if there were any other states

[spare oriole]

there's a few countries that consider the US has more

[harsh tundra]

Check reddit. When I actively went to r/foxes I could collect some nice good quality pics (have some photos of desktop wallpaper size as well)

Like my banner on discord

And my lockscreen is also a photo from r/foxes

[solemn tulip]

the contrast with the text is bad 😔

but on the other hand, fox

[lament cairn]

nvm

[harsh tundra]

I could've edited the photo to have darker top, but it's just date and charging info so 🤷 first digit of 24h time is easy to discern
and it's not like in 12h clock where there's just 2h between 11am and 1pm, so I feel the difference (the closest same second digit in 24h clock is 4h, it's hard to miss it, lol)

[modern swift]

Smh they're not using snake case

[brittle void]

dont u make shame of my kind

[thick ore]

threads is filled with millenials and gen x's that all strangely glaze apple

[thick ore]

this cannot be real bro

[brittle void]

that number looks legit

[hybrid root]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[glossy niche]

chrome is a pile of shit, it keeps corrupting my extensions for some reason

happens so often

and everytime it happens, all my data is lost

[modern swift]

it works on my machine 🥸

||jk I use brave||

[glossy niche]

chrome is the best PR campaign for firefox

[modern swift]

but I use chrome for logging onto some other accounts that I dont use often

and it just works, never really had problems

[glossy niche]

sometimes a product ticks me off so much it makes me wanna grab the dev and run their ass on a cheese grater like in spongebob and this is such a case

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-grate-butt-breakdown-gif-8957577

[modern swift]

im guessing its something to do with your extensions

[glossy niche]

extensions that had this happens:

• ublock
• raindrops
• web activity time tracker
• others

all of them open source except for rain drops, and it happens often on all of these

[modern swift]

I use ublock origin + grammarly + yt unhook

works pretty great

[modern swift]

have you tried getting rid of all of them and adding them one by one

[glossy niche]

hmmmmm

never heard of unhook

[modern swift]

to see which one causes it exactly

[glossy niche]

that wouldnt fix it

every week, 1 of those gets corrupted and requires a re install

i dont see why they would affect one another

[modern swift]

interesting, which version is it

[glossy niche]

i dont even have them on simultanously because i use different accounts

[glossy niche]

of chrome? i use the latest everything

[modern swift]

I use 129.0.6668.70

[glossy niche]

and this has been happening for months

on different accounts

[left willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

The thought occurred. While we laugh. Consider the interview question:
You are given an array of 7 lines. How many of them can be consider perpendicular to each other?

What would be your response?

[sharp jasper]

"What is a line, in this context?"

[tardy rain]

Is it typical to work on silly IQ puzzles on the job? I'd like to end the interview right here. Thank you for your time.

Dont have the time or the energy for riddles in an interview process

[sharp jasper]

I don't know if I go straight there, but if they start equivocating yeah

[tardy rain]

I'll take random leetcode over this nonsense any day

At least leetcode is somewhat applicable

[sharp jasper]

My mind goes straight to a project I worked on that involved lines in arbitrary dimensional space so maybe I interpret the question more fairly

[royal osprey]

How is everyone?