ot1-perplexing-regexing

[grave cove]

my roomies staple was creatine and protein milk shakes

[low chasm]

based roommate

although that's probably not very good for them

[grave cove]

bro was actually jacked

yeah he ended up in the ER but i think it was unrelated

[thick osprey]

haha, I've had a roomie like that. Got great deals on vitamines for me though.

[solemn tulip]

counter-argument: potato pancake

[quasi blaze]

Discord member X posts deductive reasoning scenarios 

Therefore, Discord member X is learning discrete math

[round pendant]

does this also happen to you when you open someone's profile

[low chasm]

I'm going to have the toji physique by the end of summer 😤

[quasi blaze]

That’s your logical conclusion psvm?

[young shoal]

what is that

[low chasm]

oh, what about gnocchi

[thick osprey]

You have to have a passion for css

[young shoal]

sure, why not?

[grave cove]

what are you referring to

looks like you don't have the new UI update

[round pendant]

see the bottom part thats just gray
it was supposed to be discord but i think your profile is so big it moved my discord

[grave cove]

[low chasm]

have you tried reloading your client?

[grave cove]

oh, nah

update your client

[low chasm]

potatoes are a pretty top tier food in general

[grave cove]

there's a new profile view

[young shoal]

what's the note say 👀

[low chasm]

they're so versatile

they're up there with onions

[quasi blaze]

Because there’s other reasons why X is posting P

[solemn tulip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_pancake

[thick osprey]

If you pop a profile up at just the right level the UI expands it the wrong way and that happens.

[round pendant]

"Add a note" or something in russian

[low chasm]

ok applesauce does not sound very good

eggs are based though

[wraith flower]

I concur with this conclusion

[young shoal]

so?

[grave cove]

real

i learned to make eggs

[thick osprey]

With the garlic and onions the apple sauce just hits right.

[low chasm]

ehhh, I'm a huge fan of apple flavored things

[young shoal]

based. what kind

[low chasm]

or banana for that matter

[thick osprey]

Well, name checks out.

[wraith flower]

My brother takes raw egg shots for breakfast cause he can get dem calories down fast and easy that way

[quasi blaze]

That’s affirm the consequent fallacy

[grave cove]

omelette sandwich

[low chasm]

I'll straight gag on banana

[solemn tulip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_pancake#/media/File:Raggmunk_.jpg

[young shoal]

nah

[solemn tulip]

dammit

[round pendant]

draniki mentioned???
lets gooo

[solemn tulip]

nom

[grave cove]

yooo

[thick osprey]

smh with the spam fff /tease

[low chasm]

I used bananas on these baked oats I made yesterday, since I thought I wouldn't notice the taste

it was terrible 😭

[round pendant]

draniki are so good
with garlic sauce

[low chasm]

I had to choke it down

[grave cove]

why does bro have an irrational hatred for bananas

[young shoal]

bananas automatically make everything it touches banana

[thick osprey]

facts

[grave cove]

banana touch

[low chasm]

it's not irrational, it's completely rational

your face is irrational

[solemn tulip]

pls don't choke on the banana

[grave cove]

no bro you evolved from bananas

[wraith flower]

And that's why they're the best fruit. They beat anything in food combat

[quasi blaze]

Everyone is throwing the word “bro” around so loosely

[grave cove]

bro

[young shoal]

bro

[wraith flower]

bro

[grave cove]

bro listen

[thick osprey]

bro

[round pendant]

bro 💀 this is so true for some reason, fr

[low chasm]

your face is a banana

[grave cove]

bro used to be an ape

[low chasm]

I call my sister "bro" lol

[grave cove]

and apes like bananas

how did bro not like bananas

[grave cove]

bro fr

[low chasm]

are you implying I'm an ape?

[round pendant]

we all are

[grave cove]

no

[thick osprey]

Are you suggesting you are not?

[grave cove]

you was an ape

[low chasm]

I'm offended

😔

[grave cove]

but apes are cool

[wraith flower]

You're a bro. There's a distinct difference in how they are spelled

[low chasm]

bro is gender neutral at this point

[grave cove]

bro fr

[round pendant]

s/b-oo/pe

[thick osprey]

Mostly.

Another two years and it will be completely.

[low chasm]

I guess

[grave cove]

yeah

[thick osprey]

On the West coast.

[low chasm]

I use it gender neutrally yeah

I'm on the east coast 😩

I call my sister dude, at least.

[grave cove]

when move?

[thick osprey]

obvious skill issue right there.

[low chasm]

east coast best coast

[round pendant]

how does yeah turn into ueaj

[low chasm]

you guys are all coping

[wraith flower]

I call my gf dude as well

[grave cove]

my fingers were in the wrong spot

[thick osprey]

I call my bf dude.... wait

[grave cove]

bro went full circle

[wraith flower]

Real bro's use two fingers and look at their keyboards to type so that this does not happen

[thick osprey]

imagine looking at your keyboard.

[wraith flower]

My keyboard has rgb lights. I am naturally attracted towards looking at it

[thick osprey]

I only look at the keyboard to check on the crew.

[solemn tulip]

questionable type coverage

[wraith flower]

This picture alone is the most confincing arguement I've seen for an ergonomic keyboard. That looks cute af

[grave cove]

i need to get me a keyboard with thumb buttons

[wraith flower]

I want that now 😂

[thick osprey]

Thumb clusters change the game entirely.

[wraith flower]

Write your own software that works with a camera and eye tracking. Right wink = right click, left wink = left click

[thick osprey]

You don't even need commercial grade. Wild stuff is being done with dyi kits right now.

[solemn tulip]

or use software that's more keyboard friendly 👀

[thick osprey]

We got folks building cat ear props for their streaming setup that use EEG to react to sound, emotion, and impulse. Going so far as having independent control of both ears without more than a week of training.

Meanwhile robotic industry still struggling to give prosthetics to kids.

Example: https://www.instructables.com/Mini-Arduino-Portable-EEG-Brain-Wave-Monitor-/

Got 80 bucks and a 3d printer? Have a MindFlex if you want the full Johnny Mnemonic experience.

Oh, my dang. That's the OpenBCI.

350 to 1k USD. Slightly more.

The actual MindFlex https://frontiernerds.com/brain-hack

Still cyberpunk as heck.

Easy. Just make room temp super conductors.

Hoodie weather.

[young shoal]

actual temp of the office building

that would be a warm day at the office tbh

air conditioning

[round pendant]

13'c here, but its well, night

[solemn tulip]

winter good

[thick osprey]

one of the coldest ones, so far.

Arizona.
Cons:

• US
  Pros:
• Warm
• Dry
• No daylight savings

[solemn tulip]

we had some nice -15C when I was visiting my parents for christmas

[young shoal]

the coldest air i've ever been in was -9F

which is uh

-20ishC i think

[solemn tulip]

I've been in similar, yeah

[young shoal]

genuine cringe tbh

[solemn tulip]

it's not that bad if it's very dry

[thick osprey]

-35 was the coldest I think I've been in. Base temp. When the air hurts, it's cold.

[solemn tulip]

fridge for sure no

[thick osprey]

I... I hope not.

[solemn tulip]

(you mean freezer)

[young shoal]

that would require an incredible amount of power

[thick osprey]

Would it be that much power? It would just need an exchanger that could handle the pressure.

and more insulation

[round pendant]

i want to go to yakutsk to be able to pour out hot water from a kettle and for it to instantly turn into uh the cold thing
-64 or something

[thick osprey]

You can do that at somewhere around -30 I thought

[round pendant]

well i meant yakutsk had a temperature of -64, im not sure at which temp you can do that

-41 some internets say (for the "instant" water freeze effect)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect interesting

[vocal oyster]

I like cold as you can always put on another layer

can't quite take off my skin if its silly humid hot

[hybrid pivot]

its ~42 deg c with humidity in 🇯🇲 😔 when the light cuts i be burning up

[rocky prawn]

someone here good at IUPAC naming of compounds chemistry ?

[grave cove]

ask your question and someone that is might help

[marble bay]

Just evolve smh

[rocky prawn]

here

[jaunty wraith]

chchchchchchchch

[rocky prawn]

👽

Bro i said IUPAC name

[brazen ingot]

i can verify what do you get

it should be 5-2-methylpropyldecane

@rocky prawn ^

[quasi blaze]

Blind Authority Fallacy
(also known as: blind obedience, the "team player" appeal to/argument from blind authority)
Description: it’s asserting that a proposition is true solely on the authority making the claim. It is often the case that those who blindly follow an authority ignore any counter-evidence to the authority’s claim.

Logical Form:
Person 1 says Y is true.
Person 1 is seen as the ultimate authority.
Therefore, Y is true.

Examples:

"My spiritual leader said this practice will improve my life, so it must be true."

"My mother always told me that cold weather causes colds, so it must be true."

They were folks who said they would rather listen to a parent’s advice than a stranger’s advice simply because they are their parent rather than objectively evaluating how great the advice is from both the stranger and their parent. By that logic, If your parent wasn’t a doctor and gave you medical advice vs a stranger who is a doctor and gave you medical advice, you are going to believe your parent’s medical advice just because they are your parent. That is fallacious.

Even if it’s different life advices (advice that are universally applicable to all humans) that is given by your parent and a stranger. You are going to listen your parent’s advice over the stranger’s simply because it’s your parent rather than objectively evaluating which is the best advice.

[hearty violet]

never change, keezy

[paper sequoia]

wdym? Is that not normal thing to do when it gets too hot?!

[small coral]

no, that kinda burns

i tried it before

[tardy rain]

Mommy knows best and unless you become a mother keezy you wont be able to convince anyone otherwise

[quasi blaze]

If she told you murder is acceptable, you’re going to listen to her?

[tardy rain]

That is an appeal to extremes, a fallacy

[quasi blaze]

I am not appealing anything. I am asking you a question

[tardy rain]

The premise of your question is fallacious

Why would your first thought of motherly advice be murder

Are you ok keezy

[quasi blaze]

You are being deflective

[tardy rain]

Youre being fallacious

[small coral]

this entire argument is fallacious

drop

[quasi blaze]

I know. That’s why I posted the blind authority fallacy

[tardy rain]

Theres nothing fallacious about listening to your mom

Its called trust

I dont think anyone is advocating you only ever listen to your mom

But given that she's been in your life forever, she probably knows you better than a stranger

Fun game, go tell your mom you trust her as much as you trust a stranger, see how that works out

[vocal oyster]

calling kids out on logical fallacies is a new low

[tardy rain]

I sure hope his own kids pull this on him when he tells them to do stuff

[quasi blaze]

Do you have a rebuttal towards my argument?

[tardy rain]

"brush your teeth"
I will evaluate this advice as objectively as possible, and not because youre my dad!

[vocal oyster]

believing you would be fallacious so I do not trust you

[tardy rain]

stranger danger
I trust your advice as much as I trust a stranger's advice, let me go ask one!
gets kidnapped

[vocal oyster]

a higher order rebuttal even, that relating this to kids believing parents based off them being parents is kinda odd

[quasi blaze]

My argument was not in context of children

My argument was about advice

[small coral]

everything is a fallacy

[thick ore]

that's a fallacy

[small coral]

told ya :3

[tardy rain]

Keezy my stranger advice is "listen to your mom instead"

[small coral]

this either proves my point or i'm incurring another fallacy

which is...

...exactly why i say everything is a fallacy, though i should've worded it better

[thick ore]

by saying everything is a fallacy

[small coral]

||(i should've worded it better shouldn't've i)||

[thick ore]

if that statement is a fallacy... then it isn't a fallacy

[small coral]

that's a paradox

[vocal oyster]

paradox fallacy

[eternal depot]

@young shoal I found something that you might enjoy

[dense furnace]

hey @lofty dirge i need some help related to azure batch nodes. i cant send message on that server coz my phone isnt linked to discord. could you shoot me a DM? i cant send you coz of your settings

[eternal depot]

@foggy jungle

[foggy jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-oil-gif-19265348

[quasi blaze]

This is so ridiculous. We have had many discussions about logic and logical fallacies and yet you still manage to commit logical fallacies. You are strawmanning my position.

Parents are the legal guardian of their children. Children are ought to obey their parents when their parents tell them what do to. That’s what telling is.

Telling != Giving advice

My argument is within confinements of an adult listening to the advice of their parent simply because it’s their parent

[quasi blaze]

We couldn’t even come to a conclusion based on your claim that “Mommy knows best” because you refused to answer a simple question.

[tardy rain]

If you know you know

Dont need to argue with you

[quasi blaze]

Sounds like you’re conceding

[rose hare]

are you trying to win a debate?

[quasi blaze]

I am trying to prove that my argument is valid

[rose hare]

you hyperfixate on the answer to your question of If she[mom] told you murder is acceptable, you’re going to listen to her?
when they called it out for being an appeal to extremes (which imo it is), you say they're being deflective
then you also conveniently ignored them when they said

Theres nothing fallacious about listening to your mom
Its called trust
I dont think anyone is advocating you only ever listen to your mom
But given that she's been in your life forever, she probably knows you better than a stranger
Fun game, go tell your mom you trust her as much as you trust a stranger, see how that works out
you're not trying to engage with the idea presented, that's "listening to parents" might have other things to do than simply appeal to authority

[lofty dirge]

No, and don’t cross servers. DMs are closed deliberately.

[rose hare]

it was also a reply to this

Mommy knows best and unless you become a mother keezy you wont be able to convince anyone otherwise
why would you see this, and immediately think "oh so if your mom tells you to do absurd thing X, it's also good?"

[quasi blaze]

All right. I’ll engage in this even more deeper.

Appealing to trust is a fallacy in itself. Just because you trust someone, doesn’t mean their advice is great advice.

How am I appealing to an extreme when it’s a question?

[hearty violet]

keezy why are u always dwelling on the same exact topics?

you seem to be here hitting the same buttons all the time

[quasi blaze]

Appealing to blind authority is a new topic

[tardy rain]

He said recently that his tasks are short and he has a lot of free time

So here we are

[rose hare]

Appealing to trust is a fallacy in itself. Just because you trust someone, doesn’t mean their advice is great advice.
this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, that is: whether listening to your parents "because they're your parents," is appealing to authority. What old man mar, bsc msc introduced was the idea that other factors, like parents know you more than strangers, might be implied, and thus other factors are also at play
How am I appealing to an extreme when it’s a question?
what do you mean by this? are you saying that questions are immune from appeals to extremes?

[low chasm]

I think you might be looking too much into the extremes, it's reasonable to consider advice from a family member or someone you hold close over the advice of a random stranger because of their relationship with you. It's not that your parents are always right, but they typically have a relationship with you, have raised you, and employ that perspective when offering advice. Same thing with friends.

[tardy rain]

Theres a higher probability their advice is better because its personalised

They have context a stranger might not be aware of

Also if we had to evaluate all advice equally we'd never do anything

[timid latch]

And also people you know have a bigger insentive to not give you crap advice

[tardy rain]

Courts have expert witnesses, is their testimony fallacious?

We use them because we can look at their expertise and experience and "trust" their testimony

[hearty violet]

u can hv a lot of free time and change topics every now and then tho lol

[timid latch]

I mean courts do spend a good good time to establish the credentials and credibility of expert witness

[tardy rain]

Its kinda boring if youre always so clinical about any interactions you have with people

[tardy rain]

You spend more time around your mom than a stranger lol

[hearty violet]

that's still talking about discussion, it seems like all your topics are adjacent to argumentation itself
besides mentioning the befriending thing

[timid latch]

I was just pointing out it isn't just "this person is scientist trust them"

[tardy rain]

And why spend any time discussing the credibility of experts, just evaluate everyone's opinion in the court room objectively

[tardy rain]

.randomcase

[median dome]

and Why sPeNd aNY TIME DISCussiNg tHE CrEDiBIlIty of EXPErTS, JuSt EvALuATe evERYONe'S OpiNIoN iN the cOURt rOOm OBJECtivELy

[quasi blaze]

this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, that is: whether listening to your parents "because they're your parents," is appealing to authority. What old man mar, bsc msc introduced was the idea that other factors, like parents know you more than strangers, might be implied, and thus other factors are also at play

Yes. They are exceptions of course but I am specifically talking about advice that is universally applicable to all humans and I already emphasized this in my original argument.

what do you mean by this? are you saying that questions are immune from appeals to extremes?

Yes because a question doesn’t conclude any premises at all. A question doesn’t affirm any presumptions unless if it’s a loaded question and my question wasn’t loaded

[solemn tulip]

of course some advice coming from someone in particular doesn't make the advice suddenly more accurate, but that isn't really the point

[tardy rain]

"universally applicable advice" is shit advice

And if we're taking shit advice then it doesnt really matter where from

[solemn tulip]

someone who has known you all their life will likely be able to give you good advice, having given good advice in the past also grants a level of trust

[low chasm]

you guys should all take advice from me because I'm based

that's my universally applicable advice

[tardy rain]

Technically your question is loaded because it assumes that murder is bad but that's not what they argument is about

[quasi blaze]

It was loaded, I would have asked you “So how long did your mother think that murdering is acceptable since she knows best?”

[floral viper]

Murder - (countable, collective) A group of crows; the collective noun for crows.

[quasi blaze]

You clearly don’t know what a loaded question means

[crystal spruce]

literally 1984

[young shoal]

.wa short what is a loaded question

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[tardy rain]

A loaded question is a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption
If i think murder is good does that mean my moms advice is good?

[crystal spruce]

.wa what is a loaded question

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

View original for a bigger picture.

[crystal spruce]

damn

[young shoal]

wack

.wiki loaded question

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Loaded question
A loaded question is a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt). Such questions may be used as

Loaded
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[tardy rain]

"presumption of guilt" is the phrase

[quasi blaze]

My question never contained an assumption. I asked you a simple binary question.

[tardy rain]

It assumes i think murder is bad

I might not

Wanna talk about it?

[quasi blaze]

All right man. Just concede the debate

[jaunty wraith]

WA does not know about logical fallacies?

[tardy rain]

No thanks, mommy said im always right so thats what

[quasi blaze]

You don’t know what a loaded question is

[crystal spruce]

not yet apparently

[tardy rain]

Wiki kinda agrees with me

[young shoal]

telling someone to concede is certainly a great strategy

[tardy rain]

inb4 appeal to authority

[jaunty wraith]

I propose a new logical fallacy: appeal to nuh-uh

[tardy rain]

Mommy said im special so no one's allowed to disagree with me

[solemn tulip]

maybe loaded isn't the right phrase, but the statement contained assumptions

[quasi blaze]

What assumption would that be?

[rose hare]

Yes. They are exceptions of course but I am specifically talking about advice that is universally applicable to all humans and I already emphasized this in my original argument.
the "exceptions" are most of the good advice you can get honestly.

Yes because a question doesn’t conclude any premises at all. A question doesn’t affirm any presumptions unless if it’s a loaded question and my question wasn’t loaded
I mean yours kinda does? like just read this exchange:

A: You should listen to mom.
B: If she told you murder is acceptable, you’re going to listen to her?
```clearly `B` is at least somewhat disagreeing with `A`

[solemn tulip]

that the "you" in your statement thinks murder is bad

[tardy rain]

Maybe if you phrased it as

If you believed that murder is immoral but your mom told you to do it, would you do it?

[rose hare]

and B is also (maybe intentionally) using an extreme scenario that is highly unlikely to happen, to try to discredit a reasonable statement

[tardy rain]

It wouldnt be loaded

Also appeal to extremes has yet to be addressed

[quasi blaze]

It would silly to make a claim that a question can contain any disagreements when a unanswered question doesn’t conclude anything

[tardy rain]

Stop evading it

Dont you have work to do keezy

[brazen ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464905259261755392/881638573114261564/20210829_223507.gif

[solemn tulip]

that would remove the issue yes

[quasi blaze]

Kinda? It either is or isn’t.

[rose hare]

they're addressing it by saying that his question doesn't conclude any premises, thus immune to it

[tardy rain]

That makes no sense

[rose hare]

see this is why I asked you if you're trying to win a debate

[jaunty wraith]

beard

[brazen ingot]

lemon

beard

fr

[quasi blaze]

Why do you think questions are asked?

What do you think the purpose of one asking a question is?

[tardy rain]

Not all questions are valid or equal

[marble bay]

that's questionist /s

[tardy rain]

Sucks to suck

[rose hare]

so what's your point, when you asked If she told you murder is acceptable, you’re going to listen to her??

[young shoal]

don't you people have jobs

fix some tech debt

[quasi blaze]

It’s not a point. There’s no argument to made. It’s a question

[tardy rain]

Its in the backlog

(for a reason)

[rose hare]

my job is being criminally online on the internet debating random people
and my source is that I made it the f up

[tardy rain]

What would your follow up be if i said yes or no

[jaunty wraith]

that will happen when it gets prioritized due to a fire

[quasi blaze]

Answering questions with a question. Yeah that will totally progress a debate. Nice

[lofty dirge]

please don't. you will just introduce more.

[jaunty wraith]

can people not ask clarifying questions?

[quasi blaze]

Answering questions with a question

[tardy rain]

.

[quasi blaze]

Apparently not since mars won’t answer mine

[jaunty wraith]

which one?

[tardy rain]

I will not answer a fallacious question

[quasi blaze]

@jaunty wraith

[jaunty wraith]

it was asked to be clarified

[quasi blaze]

It’s a basic binary question

[rose hare]

well ok, lemme bite.
No.

[tardy rain]

Thats a false dichotomy

[quasi blaze]

Are you arguing on behalf of mars?

[rose hare]

no

[tardy rain]

Im not paying for representation

[low chasm]

what's the point of this discussion? Figuring out whether or not to take advice from your parents?

[rose hare]

well originally it was about appealing to authority
then it derailed into this

[low chasm]

I see

[tardy rain]

Keezy would rather a stranger offer advice so he wouldnt be tempted to appeal to trust

[dapper dew]

Its just another logical fallacy debate hour

[young shoal]

tech investment 🤩

[dapper dew]

Where we spend a lot of time talking in circles to no real end

[quasi blaze]

Blind authority fallacy*

[tardy rain]

Are there other kinds?

[low chasm]

as far as advice goes, I think the whole "what if your parents say murder is ok" is kind of missing the point

[quasi blaze]

You’re strawmanning me again

[tardy rain]

Didnt ask

Sorry im cranky cause im caught up on dungeon meshi

And now i got nothing to watch

And theres still 2h in the work day

😩😩😩

[low chasm]

skill issue

[rose hare]

honestly I'm just bored waiting for stuff to finish running
I'll probaby dip once that's done cause this probably goes nowhere, it's a debate after all
everyone knows that those are the best way to communicate ideas

[lofty dirge]

Voice Chat 1, where you can speed run it

[quasi blaze]

You have a point. Mars keeps strawmanning my position and he’s refusing to answer basic closed ended questions. There will not be a conclusion to this unfortunately

[dapper dew]

Ha yeah I don't spend a lot of time in voice anyways

[dapper dew]

Right, not everyone signs up for a formal debate style discussion when participating in the channel

Nor would I expect most people to want to

[tardy rain]

Maybe give recs

[low chasm]

I gotchu, anime or just tv in general?

[rose hare]

ot1 becomes debate channel
oof

[tardy rain]

Anything really

[low chasm]

what genres are you into?

[quasi blaze]

That’s true as well. It would be nice if they’re was a regulated debate channel that could take place because for me personally I receive value from it and learn new things

[jaunty wraith]

there's a plethora of other shows to watch

[tardy rain]

I could potentially do most besides romance, slice of life stuff

[tardy rain]

Give recs

[jaunty wraith]

(I only wanted to say plethora)

[low chasm]

I'm watching Shogun at the moment, as far as TV goes, it's pretty good. Anime wise, Kaiju No. 8 is streaming right now, and that's pretty good.

[dapper dew]

Surely there is a discord for debates, but I think a dedicated space would be outside the scope of what we would do for this server.

[tardy rain]

Im caught up on kaiju no8 too

[low chasm]

they've also redone spice and wolf, which I guess leans more towards slice of life/drama, but it's pretty good

[tardy rain]

I've watched that already years ago, was good

[low chasm]

I had a huge notion page of anime somewhere, have I shown it to you yet?

[tardy rain]

No 😔

[low chasm]

they redid it this year 👀 again

it's airing right now

[low chasm]

I'll DM it to you 🥺 you can filter by the genres you like

[tardy rain]

Is this what you do now that youre done academic weaponing

[low chasm]

dude notion is so based

[rose hare]

can I hab it too 🥺
(even though it'll probably just collect dust on my backlog)

[low chasm]

sure 🥺

[tardy rain]

At some point i'll just go through the top rank list on mal again

[low chasm]

I have a books notion too, but I don't keep that updated 😔

I should make one for normal TV too

[low chasm]

oh, the new season of demonslayer is airing as well

[tardy rain]

Demonslayer is probably the one big shonen i never liked

[low chasm]

rip

yeah it's kind of repetitive, but the art and effects are great

oh have you watched land of the lustrous

it's so good, and the manga is probably an all time top ten

[tardy rain]

Not on crunchyroll

Crunchyroll kinda mid ngl

[marble bay]

aniyomi on top

[hearty violet]

mega mid

[tardy rain]

They removed FMA recently right after i hyped it up to the gf

[quasi blaze]

Software is running too smooth right now. I don’t need to fix anything and I don’t know what could be tech debt at this point that I can work on

[tardy rain]

Add documentation

Type hints

User manual

[hearty violet]

who tf pays for crunchyroll
they provide very low value, their whole monetization strategy is trying to make u feel guilty about piracy and paying them money to "help the dirty poor artists"

[tardy rain]

I do 😩

[hearty violet]

when we know full well that the money is never gonna reach those that make anime bc their passionate about it, it's all gonna go to big corps that enslave animators and mangakas

[young shoal]

docs, tests, refactor

[tardy rain]

Yea, i dont really care, animate faster peons

[hearty violet]

they cannot even figure out how to make a decent a decent video player and their whole business is streaming video

literal pirate websites have better streaming than multi million dollar company with official licensing

[tardy rain]

Their video player is good enough

You know whose sucks?

Disney's

[hearty violet]

either way I'll continue pirating and I'd rather send money directly to animators and mangakas and fund a single cent to garbage corporations trying to profit off of people by guilt tripping

[tardy rain]

Its tiring trying to find non dodgy sites to watch things

[hearty violet]

oh no, the poor multi billionaire company is being stolen from, think about them, the poor CEO of walt disney is gonna starve if I don't watch shit Disney+ 😭😭😭

[eternal depot]

!rule 5

[royal lake]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[hearty violet]

read the message again

[eternal depot]

Okay. <@&831776746206265384>

[lament cairn]

"crying about piracy" is what prevents this server from being taken down

[hearty violet]

teacher's pet

[hearty violet]

that is fair

is piracy an issue here bc it's partnered with discord?

[lament cairn]

if you want to talk piracy stuff take it to DMs

[hearty violet]

it was delted

[lament cairn]

I think it's more that this server's visibility makes it riskier to accept that kind of stuff

[hearty violet]

I was gonna redact the links

[hearty violet]

hm

[plucky ridge]

!warn 679283565996933142 Don't link to pirate video sites.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @hearty violet.

[plucky ridge]

That feels like it should be obvious

[hearty violet]

meh

[hearty violet]

what part of that is obvious?

[plucky ridge]

Don't link pirated content?

[hearty violet]

cause I've never heard of a discord server being down for mentioning piracy

[hearty violet]

I was gonna redact it

just read above

and no it wasn't obvious

either way like I said, I don't care
redact it or don't, idc

[eternal depot]

Most servers also don't have 400,000 members

[plucky ridge]

It's done and over with

[hearty violet]

true

[hearty violet]

idc

[plucky ridge]

I noticed. You've said it 3 times

[hearty violet]

idk why u're still mentioning it

[hearty violet]

move on bro

[plucky ridge]

You're an odd duck

And I mean that in the best way, of course

[hearty violet]

I got it the first time, but you're still repeating the same thing over and over
I don't like people repeating things like that

I got a warning, big deal, I understood why before u even gave the warning and was gonna redact it

[lament cairn]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message Hemlock did, he's waiting for your turn

[hearty violet]

but you're here trying to "warn" me after I admitted I was wrong

[plucky ridge]

Do they still sell/people still buy box sets for shows and animes?

Wasn't sure how common that was anymore

[tardy rain]

Something something solo levelling only sold 91 copies of their dvd set

Its pretty shit tbf

[jaunty wraith]

it's pretty profitable, considering they greenlit the sequel pretty early, and also made a game

[tardy rain]

Weebs nowadays have no taste

[rare wing]

Back in my days we used to talk about world politics

🧓

[eternal depot]

Now world politics talks about us

[rare wing]

"I think your mind is so open your brain fell out"
-Carl Sagan

"I think your mind is so open your brain fell out"
-Carl Sagan

[vocal oyster]

"I think your mind is so open your brain fell out"
-Carl Sagan

[wraith flower]

I suspect this is because of the manhwa not being Japansese. A lot of anime in Japan exists to drive sales of the manga it's based on as well. So since it didn't really have a manga following, it was a much smaller hit in Japan than other shows generally are.

[quasi blaze]

I am disgusted

[glossy niche]

y

[harsh tundra]

Why disgusted? It's a specialised job that is responsible for hundreds of lives and require hundreds of hours of training (depending on specific license and then you need several types of training and licenses to even apply for some jobs - like some requiring gliding license as well as big plane license, idk specifics but family friend trained to become a pilot but changed paths and we recently talked during a bbq)

[honest star]

Is the issue that they should be paid more?

[thick osprey]

Seems a little low but I'm not familiar with Canada.

[low chasm]

I have a friend going to pilot school

or well, flight training lol

.wa s 90k cad to usd

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 65300 US dollars

[honest star]

Oof that's lower than I thought it would be

[stark prawn]

cad has taken a dive

[young shoal]

huh I make that

[eternal depot]

Principle intern/pilot

[jaunty wraith]

keezy just dropped an ambiguous opinion and bounced

[young shoal]

not even an opinion

[jaunty wraith]

I'm disgusted
doesn't elaborate
leaves

[jaunty wraith]

why not?

[young shoal]

he just expressed disgust

[glossy niche]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts, which are true statements.

[jaunty wraith]

and? how is that not his opinion?

[glossy niche]

Would you argue that this is not an opinion?

[jaunty wraith]

pub L

[glossy niche]

i should feed keezy to an LLM

[jaunty wraith]

I don't think you should be feeding people to machines

[glossy niche]

not because i want him eaten but because i want to mass produce his messages

[jaunty wraith]

why?

[glossy niche]

y not

[jaunty wraith]

why though?

[glossy niche]

hmmmmmmm is homebrew ight or should i stick to apt

[jaunty wraith]

I wouldn't want to be fed into an LLM, solely because I don't want the LLM to be depressed too

[glossy niche]

i dont think LLMs can replicate the brain rot in me

how can a neural network replicate what runs on no neurons

[jaunty wraith]

on Linux? Homebrew isn't commonly used there, but it can be used

[young shoal]

he is stating something true about his current emotional state

[jaunty wraith]

pub

[glossy niche]

im not actually arguing im just attempting to mimick him

unfourtunately our fella is too axiomatic to be mimickled

[jaunty wraith]

I'm disgusted [by something] = [I think something is disgusting]

which is an opinion

[glossy niche]

if i hit with a stick and you say ouch

is that an opinion or nah

cause u dont choose if it hurts or not

do opinions have to be voluntarily picked by u

or r the default settings of being human good enough

[jaunty wraith]

some humans don't feel pain

so I'd classify it as an opinion

[glossy niche]

good idea, i will hit them with sticks and see

[jaunty wraith]

scientists have done that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_pain

[grave cove]

[young shoal]

average pygen keezy

[young shoal]

"chemical signals are being sent in the brain that are associated with disgust"
which is a fact

[jaunty wraith]

you're a chemical signal

[grave cove]

real

[glossy niche]

did u just call pub a fart 😭

[young shoal]

volatile organic compound

[eternal depot]

Old volatile organic compound

[eternal depot]

Isn't it obvious that they left to see how they might acquire a pilot's license?

[solemn yacht]

So uh I messed up with my VM installation not sure if I should redownload the whole thing if I download a Linux distribution but use the wrong OS would this cause any issue cause I downloaded Kali Linux with Ubuntu 64 instead of Debian 64

[green pelican]

if you are using something like virtual box you shoulndt have to redownload anything, just make a new VM with the proper OS thingy

wait pause

what do you mean use the wrong OS

[solemn yacht]

Well not sure if it’s wrong but the guide I’m using set it to Debian 64

But I set it to Ubuntu 64

On the version

[green pelican]

you mean in the VM software?

in the dropdown you put the wrong thing

if thats all you did you can just make a new VM and put the right OS. no need to reinstall anything

[solemn yacht]

Alright thanks

Just learning to use Kali for cyber security

[green pelican]

well kali isnt going to make you a better hacker it just comes with a bunch of stuff preinstalled

which is fine but personally id rather boot something light and install what i need

i dont need a bunch of programs im never going to use

[solemn yacht]

I'm using it to follow some tutorials I've been watching cause they use Kali, once I get better I'll use more advance stuff.

But for now It's just learning the basics.

[pliant nexus]

you know that you have been too much of a monarchy fan when a goddamn symbol of the sun invokes a feeling of pride and patriotism in you

[tardy rain]

Momma said i can be whoever i wanna be

[solemn yacht]

Kurzgesagt, daily dose of Existential crisis.

[gritty zinc]

questionable example because, like, water does in fact behave differently from individual water molecules because that's just how liquids work (and water is even weirder than most liquids because of the hydrogen bonds). I agree on emergence being a non-explanation, though.

[solemn yacht]

I'm just spit balling here but, what I got from the video regarding their Kurgzgesagt's explanation with Water and Wetness emerging is, if there's no one to experience the state of wetness would wetness have existed?

Water exist, but to be wet implies something must be coated with water and thus wetness emerged from the person who stepped in the puddle. The concept of being wet emerged.

The same with writing, writing as a concept emerged from the moment the pencil strikes the paper.

[ocean pond]

willy wonka had a choco factory

[gritty zinc]

reptile's philosophy protip: when people start discussing stuff like "the existence of the concept of wetness", you can stop listening and will probably be better off

[tardy rain]

i dont think thats what people mean by emergence

[solemn yacht]

Yes but the way it was written in your brain matter emerged from the collective pattern of neurons to create that concept. It's not magically coming into existence but came from the formation of that pattern. Similar to a building emerging after you place the final piece of a brick by brick.

I also don't agree with the whole concept of magically coming to existence.

I'm hardly saying magic

This is just a straw man phallacy and I won't indulge with this conversation further. I have never mentioned magic once during this conversation.

[tardy rain]

???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_coloration

emergence is just an observation
its not an ~~description ~~ explanation of things

crowds of people behave like fluids, an individual person doesnt have this property
thats all there is to it

it doesnt explain how

[gritty zinc]

it's valid I guess to use "emergence" to mean "wow, it sure seems to my human brain like properties can suddenly appear in systems that don't come from any particular part". it's only bad to think that this is an explanation, rather than a description (of human thought processes).

[tardy rain]

Except when you cant

[gritty zinc]

ah yes, https://xkcd.com/2933/ but for consciousness

xkcd: Elementary Physics Paths

==COSMOLOGY==> 'Uhhh ... how sure are we that everything is made of these?'

[tardy rain]

Theres many classic examples of emergence, just pick one i guess

Doesnt even have to be quantum shit

A classic one is crowd simulations

No lol

You cant predict the behaviour of the whole, thats the issue

Not by describing the parts

The behaviour of the whole is what emerges

It'll probably be easier if you try to implement Boids and get back to us

[acoustic moss]

i agree tbh

like i want to believe i have free will but scientifically no free will makes more sense

their argument didnt convince me

[tardy rain]

again, emergence is not an explanation, its an observation

there's nothing about defining movement rules on a single person that would translate to you using fluid dynamics to model the behaviour of many humans

emergence in how birds move will happen whether youre there to experience it or not

we dont know how it happens, we just know it happens

you cant use fluid dynamics to model a single person's movement or a single molecule's movement

you can use fluid dynamics to model a crowd or a fluid

If there wasnt any emergent behaviour in a crowd of people acting like a fluid you wouldnt be able to use other modelling techniques from completely different areas of science to model them meaningfully

You can use other models to model a crowd
You cant use these techniques to model a constituent part of the whole
Maybe there's something about the whole that's more than just the sum of its parts

The analogy to consciousness is kind of weird and unfortunate

My opinion is theres gremlins in my hair that guide me through life like ratatouille

Theyre doing ok

Maybe, maybe its something else

We dont know

[solemn tulip]

a mean field theory, I guess

[quasi blaze]

After careful consideration and the advice I have received by a few members of this Discord, I will discontinue the logical fallacy of the day postings. It doesn’t look like a good fit for the demographics of members who engage in Off Topic channels.

A few folks argue in bad faith by refusing to answer questions about their claims as well as superiors hijacking the conversation before the topic reaches its final conclusion. However, they were members who actively participated in these debates in great faith which resulted in progressing the discussion and I appreciate them for that as I learned something new with their engagements.

Overall, debates and discussions about logic and logical fallacies don’t mesh well with the majority of the demographics on this server.

[young shoal]

"superiors hijacking the conversation" is wild to say

[fringe rain]

fair tbh

[honest star]

Not my fault trains are more interesting than fallacies

[tardy rain]

There has to be a train themed fallacy

[young shoal]

real

also my train this morning was 10 minutes late

[thick osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/trains-gif-6151235

[tardy rain]

No and dont crosspost

[frozen coral]

We don't allow surveys to be shared here, please read our #rules

[sonic garden]

i need help and many responses that's why i did so

[sonic garden]

oh ok sorry mate

[tardy rain]

Share it at your school

[sonic garden]

yeah true but i need external thoughts as well that's why

[frozen coral]

I imagine there are discords and sub reddits that allow sharing surveys for that, we just don't here

[hybrid pivot]

i use unprotected sql queries

[quasi blaze]

Tokyo, Japan has one of the best train transits in the world

[young shoal]

don't be silly, wrap your query

(with parameterization)

[fringe rain]

what makes it so?

[hybrid pivot]

soon™️

[quasi blaze]

And then I am the one who gets lectured for suggesting otn names and being told they were “inappropriate”

[hybrid pivot]

my 2 braincells are working overtime for this project

[young shoal]

chat what did he mean by this

[fringe rain]

i think he means he suggested an inappropriate otn name

[quasi blaze]

It was “out of line for this server”

Yet psvm wasn’t lectured for his

comment

[fringe rain]

what comment

[tardy rain]

Must be favouritism

[fringe rain]

partiality at its best /s

[tardy rain]

Is he your superior in this case keezy

[quasi blaze]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[tardy rain]

He may not have the power to mute you but his buddies do

[young shoal]

how is this comment inappropriate

[tardy rain]

Blast him psv!

[young shoal]

plus I'm not even advocating for its addition as an otn

[fringe rain]

no, psvm's comment

[quasi blaze]

Doesn’t matter

[fringe rain]

and.. that is obviously inappropriate

[young shoal]

otns are held to a higher standard, so it does matter

[quasi blaze]

pvsm’s comment isnt?

“don't be silly, wrap your query” ?

[fringe rain]

which comment though

[quasi blaze]

Seriously?

[fringe rain]

i dont see it

[young shoal]

clearly articulate your grievance

[fringe rain]

wrap the query means like, santizing it right

[quasi blaze]

It was stated that it’s “out of line for this server”

Not for the otn

[young shoal]

sure. but you're making a false equivalency between the messages

[tardy rain]

You should have buddied up to the staff keezy

[young shoal]

that is the intended interpretation

[tardy rain]

Then you'd have mod action on your side

[quasi blaze]

There’s obviously bias going on

[fringe rain]

ohh i see how keezy sees it now

...thats a difficult way to see it

takes effort

[quasi blaze]

Unbelievable…

[young shoal]

of course, no one can be perfectly impartial

[fringe rain]

dial it back and think about the differences in the situation

[quasi blaze]

How are you not reprimanded right now psvm

[young shoal]

[tardy rain]

Networking

It's quite simple really

[young shoal]

it's literally appropriate

[tardy rain]

🙂

[young shoal]

it was relevant advice for Aluminum

[quasi blaze]

You do see the bias that’s going on if you are not reprimanded by the superiors?

[young shoal]

you're making a false equivalency between the messages

[fringe rain]

you've gotta be trolling or joking lol

[quasi blaze]

Not at all

[young shoal]

one is germane and the other is crude

[frozen crane]

👀

[young shoal]

I still don't even know why you think it's inappropriate

[quasi blaze]

If mine is “crude” then yours must be as well

[fringe rain]

||They are thinking of it as a reference to unprotected coitus||

[tardy rain]

Why

[fringe rain]

I think, may be wrong

[fringe rain]

@quasi blaze confirm?

[quasi blaze]

It’s literally not fair

[quasi blaze]

I am not going to say it lol

[young shoal]

bro. get an alt or something if you think it's an issue

[tardy rain]

Sneak up the hierarchy

[quasi blaze]

At least acknowledge there’s bias

[frozen crane]

Can you all stop arguing long enough for the mods to get caught up?

[tardy rain]

Grab the powers you want

[young shoal]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[young shoal]

become huxley

[frozen crane]

I had to look up the slogan that this is alluding to because I had never heard of it. it's not ideal for this server, but it's less overtly inappropriate than the one you mentioned from September.

CC @young shoal ^

[young shoal]

what's the slogan 🗿

I see

allow me to rephrase

"don't be SQL injected, just use parameterized queries as a default unless you are very sure"

[tardy rain]

🙂

[young shoal]

(there are cases where you may benefit from not using them)

[frozen crane]

please don't stir the pot.

[fringe rain]

🍲

[quasi blaze]

Yeah well unfortunately those topics were unfit for the general population of active members in ot channels

It’s like selling a product. In order for a product to do well, it has to be sold to the right market

Logical fallacy topics needs a niche market

I agree but that main issue is that people were arguing in bad faith like not answering closed ended questions and callously strawmanning positions

[floral viper]

You're not winning any hearts and minds by going around pointing out everyone else is at fault

Tbh seeing people gang up on you repeatedly was pretty sad, but you are also giving away free ammo for taking shots at you

[pliant nexus]

i mean 1v1-ing keezy would be pretty unfair so i get why he was getting ganged up on

/j

[tardy rain]

If everyone's arguing against you all the time maybe its time for some introspection

[pliant nexus]

it depend on your environment

[thick osprey]

Most people don't. That's the point.

[tardy rain]

Obviously not otherwise we'd still have slaves in the west

Besides, i didnt even say he was wrong

But whats more likely

[floral viper]

Same, that's essentially how gaslighting works.

[tardy rain]

Everyone else is always on the wrong side?

Whats more probable

Why is that

The topics are matters of opinion anyway

We're still doing slavery somewhere in the world

Its the minority now

Are they right

Nowhere did i say the majority is always right

But if you think everyone else in the room youre in is the asshole, thats kinda weird

Oops, typo

[pliant nexus]

that depends doesnt it? what if you are in a party of politicans?

[tardy rain]

Be in a better room

[floral viper]

Case in point: germany in the 30s

[tardy rain]

If you have controversial opinions then you should expect more people to be on the other side

[pliant nexus]

oops, you just entered the room where a party of flat earthers is taking place

[tardy rain]

If you dont think you have controversial opinions and you cant figure out why everyone thinks youre wrong, thats a chance for some introspection

[floral viper]

Depends which echo-chamber you choose to be part of

[rough sapphire]

hello does anyone watch football

[tardy rain]

No

[pliant nexus]

which kind?

[rough sapphire]

⚽

[pliant nexus]

sometimes, yeah

dont really have much time though

[tardy rain]

The topic was usually whether you should befriend your superiors lol

Not arguing whether nazism was right

Whats that internet rule called about this?

You bring up nazis as a comparison you instantly lose the argument

Im not and i imagine he's not either

[pliant nexus]

this argument is going nowhere, just like caseoh 💀

[tardy rain]

You ask whether you should go to a company event and you have people with decades worth experience say you should, thats not people ganging up on you

The fun part is that this is an appeal to extremes just like the one he made the other day about murder 💀

[pliant nexus]

@tardy rain , mayve you should take you own advise and try to take a step back and think about whyy someone else is arguing so fervently with you?

[tardy rain]

Wdym fervently

[pliant nexus]

that could help you understand what he means better, even if you disagree

[tardy rain]

Its not that deep

[pliant nexus]

dunno, just used since i thought i could be used there

[pliant nexus]

maybe, but what i suggested doesnt hurt, does it?

[tardy rain]

If everyone always argued with me this way i'd think to myself that maybe im doing something wrong

Is that a bad idea?

[fringe rain]

pretty normal to reconsider your actions

[tardy rain]

So why wouldnt i suggest it to others

Sure

[fringe rain]

yeah, reconsidering doesnt mean one has to be wrong
reconsidering because of frequent opposition is fine, but if you conclude the particular group of people themselves are wrong after that then thats fine too

[tardy rain]

Maybe we're all wrong and we shouldn't be befriending superiors (even if it helps you career wise)

Who knows

[fringe rain]

like they said, majority isnt always right

[fringe rain]

indeed, could depend on each of our situations

[tardy rain]

Self reflecting doesnt mean youre wrong

At best it means your soft skills need work

[thick osprey]

I assure you, my skills are the softest they can be.

[tardy rain]

I dont see anything weird about suggesting this, people are so quick to assume i meant he was wrong

[fringe rain]

yes you were not wrong in suggesting it at all

[tardy rain]

Why all these attacks then

[pliant nexus]

i think you are pretty quick to assume we though you meant he was wrong

[tardy rain]

Is this getting "ganged up on"

[pliant nexus]

we didnt

[pliant nexus]

karma

[tardy rain]

Maybe yall should do some introspecting

[fringe rain]

i believe it was a misunderstanding from their side

both mean well

[pliant nexus]

perhaps you should take your own advise of introspection

[tardy rain]

I've never not been right

[pliant nexus]

we dont mean any hostilities tho, sorry if it came off that way

[pliant nexus]

who knows.... how about you not knowing i'm under your bed?

[tardy rain]

My bed doesnt have space under it

Unless youre like an inch tall?

[tardy rain]

🤨

What are your dimensions

Is this too forward of me 😳

[pliant nexus]

who knows.....

only god and the guy in my basement

probably

[tardy rain]

I've never had a basement

Why are they so popular

[pliant nexus]

you can fit a lot of people in there

[tardy rain]

We've always had sheds instead

Isnt that more convenient

[pliant nexus]

mine is very modern, very diverse

[pliant nexus]

not really, people are less willing to snoop around basement than in sheds, so that decreaes the chances of being caught

[grave cove]

bro what

[pliant nexus]

i've learnt to have a thick skin, i can bounce off most things as jokes...

thats probably good 💀

[tardy rain]

Do you have an entrance to the basement from outside the house

[pliant nexus]

sensative info, i dont want my friends to be freed from their fun new home

[karmic gust]

i've always been a 1, 2, and 3 guy, but i've been getting more into 4 as time goes on

[pliant nexus]

4 is kinda overrated

2 is better

just ask disney

[tardy rain]

Disney doesnt do that anymore

Have you seen wish

[pliant nexus]

their sales show which dimension is better, thats what i meant

[grave cove]

chat, what does this mean

[pliant nexus]

no way i'm gonna see that gpt-fied, soulless mess

[pliant nexus]

1st dimension, 2nd dimension and so on

[grave cove]

oh

that went over my head

[quasi blaze]

Why would a 1v1 be unfair? Lol

[thick osprey]

chat, is this rizz?

[tardy rain]

Is robin capable of it

[grave cove]

real

[acoustic moss]

(it isnt)

[crystal spruce]

0 is trivial.
1 is the OG, and is arguably the most important imo, but it's a bit restrictive especially in, and a lot of things are just much nicer expressed in 2. There are quite a few things in 1 that feel clunky or unnatural, but once you extend it to 2 it becomes obvious why it is the way it is, but still I think 1 shouldn't be overlooked since it is in essence the most fundamental one imo.
3 is for obvious reasons the one most relevant to us, but i feel like it introduces a lot of complexity that loses the niceness you get from 2, however even then the complexity is a nice balance between having some of the simplicity that you get from 1 and 2, but also being interesting enough to serve as a bridge to higher numbers.
4 is quite interesting imo, since there's a natural connection from 2 to 4, but you do lose quite an important property going through that connection, which is quite a shame. I haven't delved too deeply into the details of 4 yet, but I have heard that people do use 4 as a nicer way to view 3, which does sound quite nice.
5 holds a special place in my heart, because it's a nice midpoint where you have just enough room to play with some nontrivial combinations, but it isn't too large and unwieldy to work with comfortably. Especially since we work in base 10, numerically working with 5 can just be nicer a lot of the time, which I love.
I don't really care about 6.
7 is quite interesting, because it's at the point where it's too large to work with by hand, so you often resort to computers and other methods to reduce the manual labour. However, 7 comes with a nice property because it is before 2^3 = 8, and that is pretty interesting to me.
8 is a bit of a letdown honestly. You would hope that being 2^3, it would play nicer when trying to give it additional properties, but nope, we lose even more niceties that one would expect. Like, are you kidding me, one of the most fundamental things that one would expect to have isn't there if you try and extend 8. It's a shame, really.
Past 8, I don't really have any strong opinions, at least not until we get to infinity.

[gritty zinc]

if there was a public review page for quaternions, what would be the average score?

[crystal spruce]

public would still require people to be deep enough into math to know what quaternions are

[tardy rain]

Dont they have a cutesy name like other things do

[onyx vector]

@open umbra

so

am i confusing you for a zombsroyale all time champion? Or my migraine is making mw trip

[quasi blaze]

Free ammo for taking shots at me? Or free ammo to take shots at me?

[tardy rain]

Uh, the second one

[solemn tulip]

ganging up as in what, that no-one just agreed with whatever original premise was?

[young shoal]

"gang up" is a funny way to say "the opinion was so bad that everyone disagreed"

[quasi blaze]

What opinion are you referring to

[young shoal]

the answer lies in the stars

[quasi blaze]

This also sounds like you might be strawmanning his claim

[young shoal]

you can find out if that's true on the next episode

[quasi blaze]

The memeing I am starting to see now

[tardy rain]

Theres people here of all kinds of backgrounds and experiences keezy

Why do you think most if not all disagree with you

[young shoal]

I sat at the same table as a superior today

[tardy rain]

What did you talk about

[young shoal]

cricket

[honest star]

I had dinner at my department director's house last night

[young shoal]

did you hole the corn

[tardy rain]

How was the bbq

[honest star]

I did not, children were monopolizing it all night. Mostly just chatted about weird local news, like a parrot infestation

[honest star]

Ended up being last minute tacos, but it was a good time

[young shoal]

was it BYOC

[young shoal]

brisket tacos?

[tardy rain]

Tacos is also good

[honest star]

Carne asada and some sort of tasty chicken

[young shoal]

billybobby would be disappointed

[tardy rain]

No fish tacos?

Fish tacos are so good

[young shoal]

I've only had fish tacos once and they were mid

though actually there is a place with them under the office

[tardy rain]

We always get a fish taco when we go for mexican

Probably my favourite nowadays

Dethroned pork pibil

[young shoal]

interesting. surely the quality varies wildly

[karmic gust]

you could sneak right in there

[tardy rain]

Maybe, idk

Pretty biased towards fish

[young shoal]

y

[tardy rain]

I like fish and seafood in general

[low chasm]

based opinion

[young shoal]

hmm

[honest star]

[quasi blaze]

Disagree with what

[tardy rain]

Cant think right now

Lifting heavy things

💪💪💪

My brain power goes negative when im squatting

[quasi blaze]

Can’t even recall what people disagreed me with smh

First it’s you not willing to answer direct closed ended questions, second it’s you strawmanning my positions, and finally unable to recall anything everyone disagreed me with

i would definitely not hire you to be on my debate team lol

[plucky ridge]

Feels like every time I come to OT, someone is ripping on someone else

[lament cairn]

society

[young shoal]

no one would apply anyway 🗿

[plucky ridge]

How can we try to resolve this or at least calm it down

[quasi blaze]

I have 3 people off the top of my head that I would hire in off topic

[quasi blaze]

I am very calm sir

[plucky ridge]

Didn't realize you were head hunting

I wasn't saying anyone in particular

Nor was I implying specific people

It's just disheartening, I guess

[thick osprey]

Quite.

[vale raven]

+1, OT seems less welcoming lately

Preocts you’re awake!

[thick osprey]

Am I?

[vale raven]

I hope so

I’m having a crisis of architecture

I’m trying to remember if we already talked about it

[plucky ridge]

Just in general to folks in here, be respectful, don't gang up on other users, if you find yourself wanting to be critical of others, maybe take a step back and breathe.

It's not great when new users look through the channels and they see people being fairly crappy to each other

I don't think it's a very big ask

[vale raven]

🤏

[thick osprey]

Maybe?

[vale raven]

It’s that big

[young shoal]

"ganging up" is an emergent property of bad opinions

[quasi blaze]

Yeah I don’t think anybody was ganging up on anybody

[plucky ridge]

https://tenor.com/6TAC.gif

[thick osprey]

They lasted less than a minute. I'd be impressed except I'm tired.

[plucky ridge]

So you're just wanting to justify it?

[young shoal]

justify what?

[plucky ridge]

Maybe I'm just not understanding what you meant then

Can you clarify?

[thick osprey]

@vale raven If you're writing for me. cut that over to ot2. I actually am just going to hide this channel.

[vale raven]

👍

[wanton moth]

not true. keezy is the fallacy scholar. he can instantly win so many debates because he knows all the fallacies (even the ones that don't exist)

[plucky ridge]

I mean... did you miss the thing I said a bit ago?

[wanton moth]

yes

[plucky ridge]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[wanton moth]

@quasi blaze ❤️ you bro, i'm just having fun

[plucky ridge]

I'm not expecting people to kiss and make up, just make it a bit less.....

Trying to figure out the right word

Combative

[quasi blaze]

Mr. Hemlock respectfully I don’t think anyone here feels an ounce of being disrespected

Or combative

That’s just me though

[plucky ridge]

But do you agree how that could be seen as such by folks just poking their heads in?

[wanton moth]

I peek in here from time to time and it appears mostly either like lighthearted teasing or actual discussion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky ridge]

Fair enough, I'll concede then

[quasi blaze]

If they misinterpret the context between two people having a discourse, that’s on them

[plucky ridge]

Fair again

Knee jerk reaction I guess

[young shoal]

if many people think of it as combative, maybe that is enough of an indicator

[quasi blaze]

Ad populum fallacy

[plucky ridge]

Is this just what you do?

[quasi blaze]

Do what?

[plucky ridge]

Fallacy hunting.

[quasi blaze]

If someone made an illogical claim, you gotta defuse it immediately. It’s very manipulative and persuasive in the wrongest fashion

[young shoal]

nope

[plucky ridge]

But it can come off as combative. And can sometimes undercut that attempt to defuse

[quasi blaze]

That’s how manipulators and narcissists talk their way out of situations

[plucky ridge]

There's ways to defuse or calm situations without being a tool

[quasi blaze]

It’s valuable to know these things and that’s how you are able to think critically

[young shoal]

not really how to think critically

[plucky ridge]

It's how to recite nomenclature

[young shoal]

you don't learn logic by learning what's wrong

[glossy niche]

thats true, but also, somewhere in that statement, you accuse the person you are talking to of being a narcissist or manipulator

[quasi blaze]

Just because majority of people think it’s X, doesn’t mean it’s X

[glossy niche]

most people arent, so this kind of thing is not necessary

[quasi blaze]

No I am just saying that as an example

[slow oriole]

willing to pay someone to code brick breaker using pygame using specific criteria

[plucky ridge]

Would you say that a handful of mods+ have come and talked to this channel about behavior over time?

[quasi blaze]

I don’t believe psvm is manipulative

[young shoal]

when X is a subjective feeling, yes, it does

[glossy niche]

PSVM is like IRL light yagami

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[glossy niche]

dont let them anywhere near you or near a dubious notebook

[plucky ridge]

!rule 9 That's not something we really do here.

[royal lake]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[slow oriole]

no shot man

is there anywhere yk i can

got this thing due tmr so cooked

[glossy niche]

chegg lol

[plucky ridge]

Do your homework

That's on you, dude

I'm not going to give you resources to cheat

[slow oriole]

yeah no kidding got so many classes and work put coding on the back burner

[quasi blaze]

To conclude, everyone should learn logical fallacies because manipulative and narcissistic people use them in arguments and folks need to learn how to spot them and shut them down

[wanton moth]

[plucky ridge]

The way that you're trying to shut them down instead end up causing more conflict

[quasi blaze]

Learn personality disorders as well

[glossy niche]

sorry to shoot you down but narcissists do not listen to logic and will just lie

[quasi blaze]

That’s my point

[plucky ridge]

I'd also encourage learning how to interact in a constructive way with other people. Ways that do not come off as condescending, belittling, or aggressive

[glossy niche]

shit cord

[soft violet]

@slow oriole How far along have you got so far?

[glossy niche]

damn horse ass application built like a sophomores first react project smh

[quasi blaze]

They deflect, move the goal post. You gotta watch out for that

I think it’s critical to learn critical thinking

[plucky ridge]

Soft skills are also hella important

[slow oriole]

0, i almost finnished it but my teacher said i did the process wrong so i had to restart…

[glossy niche]

hmmmm i guess both u and mr hem r right

[soft violet]

Wrong?

[glossy niche]

both r needed in the case of dealing with a narc

[plucky ridge]

Oh I was still in regards to defusing situations

[glossy niche]

oh

lmao

[plucky ridge]

But both apply

[slow oriole]

yes, he wants mainline logic format with sprites in a separate function and for us to call them but i didn’t use mainline logic

[plucky ridge]

Like.... @quasi blaze when you mentioned that it was a tactic used by narcissists and manipulators, was that targeted at anyone in particular? Because it did come off as targeting me

[glossy niche]

personally i think its better to have a "try to understand rather than disprove" attittude to conversations

most of the time we arent talking hard science so trying to "disprove" someone is a waste of time, just try to understand what they are saying and thatll do the job

[soft violet]

Have you been working on the code that you were told was wrong to refactor it, or did you throw it out?

[slow oriole]

he said to restart.

and i have been so busy with exams for bio and chem i have had 0 time

[young shoal]

this isn't critical thinking though. regurgitating patterns without nuance does nothing

[plucky ridge]

leetcode?

[young shoal]

?

[quasi blaze]

What?

No

[plucky ridge]

My mistake then

Apologies

No idea why but this popped into my head. How does psychic damage work

Like does it just try to destroy the sense of self or memory loss or mental disorders?

[young shoal]

headache

[plucky ridge]

Oh god that would suck

"What's your super power?"
"Migraines"

[tardy rain]

I cast blurry vision!

[plucky ridge]

"Quick, activate your psychic protection!" -chugs whisky-

Just love the idea of getting a bonus for being too drunk to even notice that you're being psychically attacked

[minor tundra]

Have you played disco elysium

[plucky ridge]

Yep, love that game

[tardy rain]

Alcohol in fallout 4 lowers your intelligence temporarily 🗿

[plucky ridge]

100%. I want to make a character too stupid to take psychic damage

Send him into a nest of mind flayers

No survivors

[minor tundra]

In DND isn't it if you have <10 int you are immune to psychic damage?

[plucky ridge]

There's no way it'd be less than 10

[minor tundra]

or is that.. some other something or other.

.... am I <10 int?

[plucky ridge]

Let's find out -rolls d20-

Huh, just says "Reply hazy, ask again later."

[slow oriole]

anyone ever heard of idea/alter coding

[minor tundra]

Mine rolled, "As a large language model I am unable to be nondeterministic"

[minor tundra]

No, what is it?

[slow oriole]

amazing question

i wish i knew

or how about IDE @minor tundra