ot1-perplexing-regexing

[karmic gust]

this isnt a fallacy, this is modus tollens

[graceful basin]

This is a pretty neat example for why formal logic doesn't work for real world cases

[karmic gust]

it does though
those examples formalized are

P -> Q
~Q
∴ ~P
```which is a perfectly valid deduction
the problem with them is that the premise `P -> Q` isn't true in those cases

an example of a valid ad absurdum argument applied to the real world

If it had been raining a minute ago the ground would be wet.
The ground is not wet.
∴ It wasn't raining a minute ago.

constructivists dni

[honest star]

What does this mean

[graceful basin]

Constructivism is a branch of thought in mathematics that doesn't respect proofs by contradiction

[karmic gust]

aka intuitionists reject the law of the excluded middle

[graceful basin]

It has its merits

But also it's a bit dumb

[quasi blaze]

What about the first example? Is that not a fallacious argument?

[karmic gust]

so things can be neither true nor false, which means modus tollens doesnt work

[honest star]

aaah, okay

[karmic gust]

it's valid but unsound

If rocks had no weight, they would float.
Rocks do not float.
∴ Rocks have weight.
```the first premise is false because there could be other explanations for why the rocks do not float, i.e. the antecedent could be true and the consequent false

[solemn tulip]

Yeah, reduction ad absurdum is in no way a fallacy

Assuming it's correctly applied, it's a totally valid argument. Proof by contradiction

[quasi blaze]

What about this argument:

“Society must have laws, otherwise there would be chaos.”

There can still be chaos in a society even if laws are implemented in the society

[karmic gust]

to elaborate a little further, proofs by contradiction are often used as existence proofs, i.e. "if something like X didn't exist, that would lead to a contradiction, therefore something like X exists"

an alternate form of existence proof is "Here one of those things right here: X, therefore X exists"
this is called a constructive proof bc you actually constructed an X, which is also usually more helpful because now you have an X to work with

sometimes we only know a nonconstructive proof, aka we know an X exists but we have no known examples of such a thing
constructivists are called that bc they reject the first form of proof completely

[karmic gust]

"no laws -> chaos"
"laws & chaos"
these statements are not contradictory, i think you've made another converse error

[young shoal]

bro affirmed the consequent

[quasi blaze]

How long have you been studying logic?

[karmic gust]

i guess like... 12 years?

i have degrees in math and philosophy

[young shoal]

bro is experienced

[quasi blaze]

Nice

[young shoal]

are you a philosophical doctor

[karmic gust]

no

[young shoal]

why not

[karmic gust]

some combination of a) I couldn't decide which direction to go b) everyone who does that is always saying not to do it c) academia is a dumpster fire

[young shoal]

real

[quasi blaze]

I agree on c). Which is why I resented electives

[karmic gust]

i think the best advice is, if you don't feel like you need to research some specific topic, you should not start a phd

and i didnt

[young shoal]

undergrad isn't really academia

[young shoal]

yeah. that's the advice I got. "if you don't 'must have it'" then don't

we'll see after an ms though, lol

[quasi blaze]

What are your thoughts on this philosophical argument “Humans are designed to procreate. If you do not procreate or plans to procreate in the future, you are not living life they way you were meant to be.” ?

[karmic gust]

i'd reject the first premise

[young shoal]

my mom was working as a post doc for less than I made at Chipotle 😩😩😩😩. really filters out a lot of people

[quasi blaze]

Some of my philosophical beliefs falls under existentialism. I want to determine the way I want to live my life. Which is why I oppose the philosophy of natalism.

[solemn tulip]

where do you cut the first premise?

[rain marsh]

"humans were designed to procreate"?

[tardy rain]

humans are designed

having kids isnt as important nowadays

[rose hare]

what's the logic here though?

[rain marsh]

It's a philosophical argument, I don't think logic is particularly important here

[karmic gust]

logic is a pretty important part of philosophy

[rose hare]

you have to at least have some kind of reasoning, no? if you're just saying this without anything to back it up:

Humans are designed to procreate. If you do not procreate or plans to procreate in the future, you are not living life they way you were meant to be.
then I can just as easily say:
Humans are not designed to procreate. If you do procreate or plan to procreate in the future, you are not living life they way you were meant to be.
and both'd be equally valid

[uneven pine]

There are too many people in the world anyway. We don't need more

Plus, you're bringing someone into the world and they're pretty much guaranteed to suffer. The world is awful. Life is awful. That's my take

[tardy rain]

pretty boring take on life

[uneven pine]

I'm almost 3 decades in and it's been pretty accurate so far

[rain marsh]

you definitely could, but I didn't think they wanted a pure logical reasoning - I may be wrong

[rose hare]

well, you're assuming that whoever's born thinks they're overall suffering
but they're not born yet so you can't know for sure if they think they're suffering or not

[rain marsh]

my experience has been the complete opposite, but sure

and I'm a lot younger, so take that as you will

[young shoal]

skill issue tbh

[uneven pine]

Yeah it was a skill issue on my parent's part

[quasi blaze]

From a common natalist’s worldview is human flourishing. Human flourishing from a typical natalist’s point of view is to promote human life which includes procreation for the continuous of humanity. If there’s no procreation, then there’s no human flourishing.

[uneven pine]

And a skill issue on genetics as well

But hey at least I don't have to live to be 80+. Silver lining and all that

[rose hare]

you'll get problems if you have a philosophical belief that's both unprovable and very subjective
unprovable, like Humans are designed; subjective maybe

[rain marsh]

for sure

[tardy rain]

how is human flourishing defined? it sure is not unchecked reproduction

[bleak lintel]

awtching youtube eating ramen

[tardy rain]

this is pretty sensitive, couple wrong steps and you end up arguing for eugenics and you sure dont want that

[quasi blaze]

How else would humanity flourish if nobody wants children?

[young shoal]

true

[tardy rain]

should every family be perpetually pregnant then?

more kids = more flourishing

[quasi blaze]

So this is pretty much the gist of a Natalist’s worldview

A typical one that is

[rose hare]

but the options you present are

• nobody wants to have children
• everyone should want to have children
  and you left out something in the middle, like "some want to have children"

[tardy rain]

and you can see how it doesnt hold up to reality

[uneven pine]

I hear this kind of thing a lot, unfortunately with my declining health it's guaranteed a downhill unless something magical happens and I can suddenly afford good insurance and copays. But I gave up on that wishful thinking a long time ago

[bleak lintel]

thank you for TED talking

[young shoal]

average doomer

[young shoal]

thank you. be sure to check out my next talk

[uneven pine]

Live the life I have and you would be too

[young shoal]

why not change

[rain marsh]

I'd assume its probably easier said than done for them, you have no idea what's going on in their life

[young shoal]

sure, giving up is easy

[uneven pine]

What a great idea. How do you suppose I change this arthritis? Or my heart issues? Lemme just change the asthma away. I'll just change my bank account to have a few extra zeros so I can afford medical care. Great idea. I'll just change.

If I gave up I wouldn't be talking in discord right now

[young shoal]

whatever, tbh

[tardy rain]

🤨

[uneven pine]

Don't you fucking dare whatever me after that, you're the one trying to call me out for shit you have no clue about

Every day I get up and I work my ass off despite being fucking miserable. I push myself to the limit, I work hard at my day job to do better than everyone Else so I can get a raise that's pennies on the dollar.

I come home and I do freelance with to try and build a portfolio to hopefully one day get a job that IS actually worth it, where maybe I CAN improve my quality of life

And I recently spend so many extra hours and days effectively rebuilding a quarter of a house so I'm not homeless (again) when the month ends. And I've been doing most of that work by myself.

If I gave up I wouldn't be doing any of that

But that doesn't mean I can't see the world for what it is

[rough sapphire]

what the hell is this paragraph

[uneven pine]

A shitty machine of misery that keeps the wealthy rich and everyone else in the dirt

[rough sapphire]

huh

[uneven pine]

Most reasonable take I've heard in a long time

[quasi blaze]

Do you share Anti-Natalist philosophical views?

[karmic gust]

worth noting that not being a natalist is not the same thing as being an anti-natalist

[quasi blaze]

This is why I was asking

[young shoal]

haven't birth rates been declining in the West?

[tardy rain]

🤔

[bleak lintel]

don't worry Macron's got it

[tardy rain]

government mandated baby making kits

[young shoal]

hasn't Japan also been doing that

[tardy rain]

why is france's birthrate dropping

japan has other issues going on to cause it

[young shoal]

I think essentially for the reasons that were previously stated. it is just really expensive to have children

[grave cove]

[tardy rain]

a war on the continent isnt helping

[quasi blaze]

It’s tough

There’s misery going on in my life as well but it’s not from work

Life isn’t easy

[grave cove]

sadly never was

unless you're ultra rich

[tardy rain]

its not that hard

[uneven pine]

and as much as I like to agree with that @grave cove , even the ultra rich have their own set of worries and problems

[grave cove]

it's hard, just in a different way from our ancestors

[tardy rain]

we enjoy privileges other people couldnt even dream of

[uneven pine]

there's no just easy ticket

[grave cove]

yeah, i think saying everyone has their own set of problems is a good generalization

[uneven pine]

That doesn't mean that our pain and suffering isn't real, though.

Everyone's struggles are valid.

[tardy rain]

idk, there's a lot of people who think they struggle

[uneven pine]

That's one thing it's always really pissed me off when someone says "there are so many people who have it worse off than you" like yeah, that sucks for them too, but goddamnit I still can barely walk some days, that counts too.

[grave cove]

mathematically true

[uneven pine]

It's relative. It's like pain

If the worst pain you ever felt in your life was a bee sting

it's going to be really hard to imagine worse pain than that

you might even think there is no worse pain, it couldn't possibly get worse than that

[tardy rain]

thats why its important to keep in mind that it could be a lot worse and that there's people out there right now that are living it

[uneven pine]

unitl you experience say, breaking a bone.

[uneven pine]

but that doesn't marginalize your experience of the pain.

Marginalizing someone's experience because "other people have it worse" is a sign of extremely low emotional intelligence

[tardy rain]

i didnt say anything like that

[uneven pine]

And I'd wager a lack of empathy as well, but the two generally go hand in hand.

[quasi blaze]

Yep. That’s an appeal to emotion fallacy

[uneven pine]

I work with an african guy, he has a similar thing going on.

[tardy rain]

i dont think you'd agree that some rich kid not getting their way is them "struggling" even tho it feels like that to them

[uneven pine]

Though he's been entirely disillusioned by the US and is moving back to Africa, so you know, more power to him, he knows exactly what he wants.

[quasi blaze]

Appeal to emotion logical fallacy

[tardy rain]

we're not arguing about anything here keezy

[grave cove]

bro thats not a fallacy thats a rhetorical device

[tardy rain]

and you cant just name drop fallacies, explain why

dont be lazy

[vocal oyster]

its all a debate

[tardy rain]

nuh uh

[grave cove]

we should get aboo in here

[uneven pine]

not even in the same realm. My point is things like family struggles, etc. Rich people lose people who are close to them, rich people have to deal with financial stress too - not from being unable to apy for things, but taxes and property ownership, etc etc, it's a lot to deal with. Then you have the branch of generally, people are hired to handle these things, then you're managing people. Sure, it's a more comfortable life in most ways, bujt they still have stress, and they can still experience hardships

[quasi blaze]

Your rebuttal was:

thats why its important to keep in mind that it could be a lot worse and that there's people out there right now that are living it

That doesn’t discredit their premise that their life is miserable

[vocal oyster]

best argument

[jaunty wraith]

nuh uh

[tardy rain]

i didnt say that their life isnt miserable

[quasi blaze]

Why use an emotional counterpoint as a response then?

[tardy rain]

dont you think its healthier to keep a positive outlook on life than a sad pessimistic one?

[grave cove]

it can be a good argumentative device

[jaunty wraith]

Outlook is bad

[uneven pine]

I think it's healthist to keep an entirely realist outlook

[grave cove]

real

[tardy rain]

life is suffering is not realistic

[uneven pine]

The universe doesn't care about you

[grave cove]

source?

[vocal oyster]

a positive hotmail

[tardy rain]

its just sad

[uneven pine]

There is no greater power

[quasi blaze]

Another counterpoint totally dismissing their premise

[uneven pine]

Life is, in general, miserable.

That's just realistic

[grave cove]

deep

[tardy rain]

do you agree that life is miserable then?

[jaunty wraith]

me

[grave cove]

so true

pizza is like a +10min happy buff

[quasi blaze]

It’s manipulative actually

[grave cove]

everything is manipulative

[tardy rain]

is it false?

[vocal oyster]

you're manipulative

[grave cove]

the whole point of making an argument is to convince someone

[jaunty wraith]

ergo, we should be eating 6 pizzas per hour

[vocal oyster]

nuh uh

[grave cove]

infinite happiness glitch

holy shit

he's inside our brain ????

[vocal oyster]

rent free

[jaunty wraith]

less

[quasi blaze]

Even if this was preposition was true, that doesn’t justify it being an acceptable counterargument to use emotion to substantiate your point

[vocal oyster]

yikes

[tardy rain]

its not emotional, its a hard fact

[quasi blaze]

Appealing to emotion? You’re not properly counter arguing their claim that their life is miserable

[vocal oyster]

you're not properly messaging on discord

debate police

[grave cove]

what does "properly counter arguing" even imply? is there an official organization that has a handbook on arguing?

[tardy rain]

the sentence "we enjoy privileges other people couldnt even dream of" is just fact
there's kids experiencing war, famine, disease

separate from the argument happening right now, can you refute this?

[grave cove]

in debate comps there are some baseline rules but there are so many ways to argue a point

[quasi blaze]

Attacking their actual argument

Attacking their premise

[grave cove]

yeah, there are so many ways to do that

pathos included

[vocal oyster]

yeah by name dropping fallacies

[tardy rain]

keezy can you refute this, or are you saying youre denying reality

[jaunty wraith]

yes

[grave cove]

is it the MoyenChat Handbook of Arguing, 3rd Edition?

[jaunty wraith]

that's outdated

[quasi blaze]

How does this fact counter-argue their claim that their life is miserable?

[tardy rain]

it was one statement i made that you picked, its not a counter argument

[vocal oyster]

everything is an argument though

[quasi blaze]

So why respond with that then?

[tardy rain]

im not even arguing against them lol, first of all how would i know theyre telling the truth to begin with

they could just be making it all up

[vocal oyster]

yeah verify they do find life miserable

[tardy rain]

the point is that having a positive outlook on life is healthier

[quasi blaze]

You can’t prove that though

[tardy rain]

and "life is misery" is not a positive outlook

[grave cove]

this is discord you cant prove anything

[vocal oyster]

which is why they said 'could'

[tardy rain]

can you prove it?

[quasi blaze]

That’s not falsifiable

[tardy rain]

how would i disprove it then

jesus christ man

[quasi blaze]

You can’t prove it false that his life is miserable

That’s also a fallacy

[tardy rain]

you cant prove it right either

im not attempting to disprove someone's experience, its just advice

and its pretty common advice

[vocal oyster]

they're saying it could be a joke is saying they can't prove it's true anyway

[tardy rain]

do you agree with the advice keezy

we can argue about whether the advice is good or not

[quasi blaze]

Outlook? They didn’t say it was his outlook. Their claim was that their life is miserable

[tardy rain]

is that not someone's outlook on life

[glossy niche]

Outlook fucking sucks

wait are u not talking about mail

[tardy rain]

lmao no

[vocal oyster]

no way 😭

[tardy rain]

.wa short outlook synonym

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Synonyms of outlook are mentality, mind-set, mindset, nature, expectation, prospect, and lookout

[glossy niche]

I was summoned into the shitting on Microsoft convention but it was actually just a normal conversation

[vocal oyster]

not quite normal

[wanton moth]

Microsoft SUCKS ong

[tardy rain]

microsoft is fine, keep your pants on

[jaunty wraith]

shitting on MS counts as a normal conversation

[wanton moth]

coping

[tardy rain]

yes, and?

am i supposed to use gmail

yuck

[glossy niche]

||I don't need that off to shit ||

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-walking-animation-gif-17716076

[glossy niche]

[crystal spruce]

Not necessarily: It's true if you assume that you can quantify "goodness of one's life" so that you have a total order on humans, but that's quite debatable. If you relax it to a partial order, which seems more reasonable (still has its issues imo), that doesn't imply there necessarily is a "best life" (greatest element) or "worst life" (least element). Since there are a finite number of humans, we can conclude there is at least one minimal/maximal element, which would mean a human where no other human has a better/worse life than them, but that doesn't automatically make them the person with the best/worst life because there could be other humans who they can't be compared with.

[grave cove]

bro

im not reading all that

[glossy niche]

I agree with you on the unfalsifiable thing but uhhhh bit sure what to say about the other stuff

[glossy niche]

WE GET IT

YOU HAVE GPT 4

[grave cove]

i actually understand what stickie is talking about for once

ordering is like the last unit we did in class

[gritty zinc]

stickie is the kind of person that considers utilitarianism unrealistic because utility functions are too hard :p

[glossy niche]

https://x.com/gf_256/status/1795202939746730006

cts 🌸 (@gf_256) on X

wwhat did i do wrong😭😭😭

Twitter · May 27, 2024, 9:18 PM

I am reminded of this meme

[gritty zinc]

when I become president I will obligate every citizen to be on meth 24/7, vote for me

[glossy niche]

I will end poverty if you vote for me

just elect me

and I'll eliminate every last poor person

no more poverty

[tardy rain]

are you gonna spend tax payer money

[glossy niche]

no

[tardy rain]

based

[glossy niche]

I'll do it my self

[stark prawn]

Just make poverty illegal, easy fix

[crystal spruce]

this would be a philosophical issue, not a mathematical one: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine

[crystal spruce]

discrete mathpilled

[gritty zinc]

doesn't actually follow because happiness is a human concept and there's no guarantee whatsoever that it's coherent and can be formalized.
(but i'm being pedantic, i actually agree.)

[crystal spruce]

even if you're working within the realm of science, there are far better indicators to quantify how good a life is that would fit closer to what someone subjectively feels

i'm a mathematician

you need to prove that it exists to convince me

[honest star]

Where do you fall on the spectrum of constructivists vs ... not that?

[crystal spruce]

the existence of a theoretical way to order how good people's lives are is a different concept to a practical way to order them for some purpose

[gritty zinc]

not me reading a list of ontological arguments for the existence of god and turning each into an argument trying to conving stickie that happiness exists

[crystal spruce]

if you're trying to do it to for example to figure out how much to give to certain people, then sure, there are ways to give an ordering that most people agree with

well, to know how to "measure" it you really have to define what it is

[quasi blaze]

I drive to buy lunch and this is how this chat transitioned into a different topic lol

[crystal spruce]

definitions are useful insofar as they help you solve some problem, and i've already shown how the dopamine approach is flawed in capturing what most people believe "goodness" of a life is
the main issue here is that "goodness" is subjective, and so we don't have a universal definition, and we don't know if a universal definition could exist

[gritty zinc]

and we don't know if a universal definition could exist
it better, because if not, humanity is fucked and will never ever get along

[crystal spruce]

you've defined it for your own perspective; that doesn't make it a universal definition of "goodness"

[glossy niche]

mb

https://tenor.com/view/the-world-would-be-a-better-place-without-me-which-is-why-i-have-to-keep-living-keep-living-meme-gif-the-world-would-be-a-better-place-gif-26721075

[young shoal]

real

[grave cove]

based?

[tardy rain]

Whose head

[vocal oyster]

mine

[crystal spruce]

i agree that for a given definition, there may or may not exist some way to order everyone properly
what my point is is that there isn't necessarily a "correct" definition, and maybe that the notion of "correct" is even flawed itself: if there was a definition everyone who ever existed agreed upon as the right definition, does that make it the "correct" definition?

[glossy niche]

damn meth majors be Philosophers at times

[crystal spruce]

math and philosophy are very close

[gritty zinc]

meth majors
those have a lot of dopamine

[glossy niche]

I'm aware that philo majors do pro positional logic

actually now that u mention it, my obsidian notes r usually for math and programming, but have philosophy in them because of how often they connect

[crystal spruce]

the usual response to a yes/no like that is a theoretical situation where the condition holds, but seems absurd to us, and so makes us question our definitions
For example, what if everyone suddenly agrees that money is the most important thing in the world, and how good one's life is is directly proportional to how rich they are. Does that automatically make money the correct quantification of happiness?

[thick osprey]

s3. You don't pay for the storage. Just the upload/download of the data. Not exactly what you're asking for.

[glossy niche]

wait, fr?

[thick osprey]

Ah, I'm wrong.

You do pay for the storage there too. It's just trivial compared to the cost of access.

First 50 TB / Month $0.023 per GB

[young shoal]

there's a pretty cheap s3 alternative that I forget the name of.. it doesn't charge for moving data

[thick osprey]

If you find it, let me know. Moving of data is usually how these things make their money.

[young shoal]

they have a flat fee per amount of data

but iirc there are restrictions, it's more for backups

wasabi @thick osprey

[jaunty wraith]

backblaze?

[timid latch]

cloudflare R2 is also pretty cheap

storage is $0.015 / GB-month

[jaunty wraith]

that's tough

why do you need 10 TB?

[young shoal]

that's... not going to happen

[solemn tulip]

that's just not going to happen

[young shoal]

wasabi

[glossy niche]

wtf is happening in european elections bruh

[jaunty wraith]

this might sound rude, but that doesn't sound like prioritizing the right thing

[glossy niche]

flash drive 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

big one

very fast, works in shit connections

no running cost

no terms of service that email me telling me i uploaded CoPyRiGhTeD contents to my drive

[thick osprey]

At the least, you're looking for the golden goose. 10 TB is not insignificant, much less free. ((I say looking at the 4 TB portable drive next to me))

golly, storage is weird.

[young shoal]

depending on when you got it, that'd be like 100 for 4tb hard drive

[glossy niche]

tbh i think the actual quick storage you will need is probably rly small, just a few gigs

the big bulk is usually just photos that you look at once a year, those can go on phys media imo

[jaunty wraith]

looks like Discord is doing free nitro trials again

[glossy niche]

FOMO bait

[jaunty wraith]

prepare for discord.gift URLs that seem like spam

[glossy niche]

this is like giving vapes to kids

[thick osprey]

I love free trials of Nitro. I love to wave at them as they just sit and expire.

[glossy niche]

have u ever used a flash drive

[jaunty wraith]

you should perhaps look into saving some money

[graceful basin]

what do you need 10TB of storage for?

[glossy niche]

you just need to throw a few electrons at it to prevent data rot

[vocal oyster]

if you only have $1.65 to your name do you really need a nicety like shared storage

[graceful basin]

how do you have 10TB of personal files?

[vocal oyster]

question still stands

[jaunty wraith]

why do you need to share 8 TB of data across all devices?

[graceful basin]

what are you storing that you are at the terabyte scale? Just tons of photos?

[vocal oyster]

but only $1.65

doesn't add up

[graceful basin]

I see

those backups don't need to be shared, no?

[jaunty wraith]

you use all of those regularly?

[quasi blaze]

Imagine writing a Python program that transfers terabytes of data across 4 devices in automation

[jaunty wraith]

and you need to access the video game worlds on every one of these devices regularly?

[thick osprey]

I mean, I have roughly 16 TB of total data but most of it is all offline archive storage. Everything I need for any computer fits rather spaciously in 256 GB. Got to prioritize what needs access and what doesn't.

[graceful basin]

what are you doing that data loss is such a common case that you reload backups on a regular basis?

[quasi blaze]

And it sorts file names into different folders.

[young shoal]

me when black ops 6 is 309 GB

[graceful basin]

I see, so you work across four devices and somehow have 8TB of WIP game worlds

[thick osprey]

Everything I need....

[young shoal]

time to make a NAS

[jaunty wraith]

I have so many questions

[young shoal]

also I accidentally wrote a backup script that spit out 160GB of Minecraft backups. it was running every second

[quasi blaze]

They will never be another NAS

There’s only one NAS

[thick osprey]

I have weekly backups of my minecraft world over the last 10 years. It takes up less than 1 TB. I can't imagine what you are trying to tote around. Not to mention the time you'd spend just access that level of info repeatedly!

[graceful basin]

NAS is short for network attached storage

[quasi blaze]

He didn’t specify

[young shoal]

use context clues

[graceful basin]

I mean, if Roman is doing TNT stuff or slimeblock machines, I could see it.

you copy worlds all the time when doing that nonsense

[quasi blaze]

Nope. You gotta specify

[vocal oyster]

youre in a damn programming server man

[young shoal]

this isn't a debate or argument. you weren't even the person I was talking to

[quasi blaze]

Just like I had to specify for @timid latch . You gotta specify for me

[vocal oyster]

you think they meant national academy of sciences??

[graceful basin]

I wonder if there's some fancy on-drive compression you could run

[young shoal]

I actually don't have to at all

[quasi blaze]

The context

[graceful basin]

surely you have like 95% duplicate data

[thick osprey]

NAS would be a great option though you'd need to build it. I don't want to imagine trying to copy terabytes of data over a wireless connection frequently though.

[young shoal]

backups are usually zipped already right? though you could zip those, yeah

[jaunty wraith]

zip the zips

[quasi blaze]

No I thought they meant this NAS

[glossy niche]

ZIPs do nothing unless the data is not already zipped

[vocal oyster]

what nas

[graceful basin]

I assume the worlds are uncompressed

[glossy niche]

will even increase the size if its already zipped

[graceful basin]

I would suggest setting up ventoy for those

[quasi blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/nas-gif-9089789

[graceful basin]

Netowrk Attached Storage

grab a computer, slap drives in, use nextcloud

boom, you have your own shared cloud storage (-ish)

[thick osprey]

As mentioned more than several times, Network Attached Storage.

[quasi blaze]

No what NAS is.

There’s various NAS’

[young shoal]

how many fit the context

[glossy niche]

whats next cloud, i look it up and it says some corporate shit

what do people actually do with it?

[thick osprey]

Aah, no worries.

[jaunty wraith]

.wiki NextCloud

[graceful basin]

dropbox but you selfhost it

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Nextcloud
Nextcloud is a suite of client-server software for creating and using file hosting services. Nextcloud provides functionality similar to Dropbox, Office

Collabora Online
ownCloud and Nextcloud self-hosting cloud server technologies. Vaughan-Nichols, Steven (2020-06-04). "NextCloud gets bigger and better with Nextcloud Hub

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[quasi blaze]

How many fit the context of what an alien is when I mentioned extraterrestrial life outside of our planet?

[young shoal]

not relevant

[glossy niche]

ohhhhhhhhhh, so like a more general immich

[jaunty wraith]

@glossy niche, the first one

[glossy niche]

icc, ty

[graceful basin]

some of these open source things can end up with homepages more corpo than actual corporate products

[glossy niche]

bitwarden

[young shoal]

but generally speaking, you will need more than 2 dollars for 10tb

[solemn tulip]

a lot more

[jaunty wraith]

at least

[thick osprey]

Several more

[graceful basin]

ye, step one is going to be making more money

[glossy niche]

20$?

[young shoal]

maybe like 200

[jaunty wraith]

perchance

a job

[glossy niche]

STEAL STEAL STEAL

[graceful basin]

depends, usually either a job, or for smaller things using your local connections (if you have any) to freelance.

[solemn tulip]

*gasp*

[graceful basin]

or just asking parents

[glossy niche]

if you cant get a job, spend less money, yknow, cook instead of order, walk instead of drive, etc not applicable for everyone

[quasi blaze]

I don’t know the name of the logical fallacy but I have heard this claim throughout my life:

Mothers are always right 

By that logic, if a mother say to her son that murder is acceptable, then she’s right

Also, getting advice from a parent is no different than getting advice from a stranger

[solemn tulip]

||appeal to authority||

[honest star]

Are you familiar with the concept of hyperbole?

[quasi blaze]

The advice itself doesn’t hold weight just because they are your parent

[tardy rain]

Maybe, if that stranger was with you for 90% of your life up to like 18 years old

[solemn tulip]

[quasi blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-school-school-bell-ringing-the-bell-gif-22150054

[thick osprey]

I don't know. If I spoke with my parents I'd listen to their advice over the advice of a stranger.

[quasi blaze]

And why is that?

[tardy rain]

They know you more and can offer more personalised advice

[honest star]

My parents do have much more context over who I am as a person, my wants, my strengths, my weaknesses, my personal situation than a random stranger

[thick osprey]

Familiarity of the context.

[solemn tulip]

clearly nepotism, clearly

[quasi blaze]

I am not talking about personalized advice. I am just talking about advice

[young shoal]

||argument by intimidation||

[honest star]

? what distinction are you trying to make?

[thick osprey]

... how is that different?

[solemn tulip]

most advice needs some form of personalization

[quasi blaze]

Advice about life choices

[honest star]

How is that different from personalized advice...?

[young shoal]

"buy index funds" vs specific investment advice, e.g.

[tardy rain]

Lol

[glossy niche]

does it need a name to exist? just call it argumentum ad yourmom

[solemn tulip]

that's advice that requires tons of personalization

[tardy rain]

Appeal to motherly insight

[glossy niche]

momsaidso fallacy

[quasi blaze]

Because life advice is more universal. Personalized advice is only applicable to the person who receives that advice

[honest star]

Life advice is not more universal... it's very much dependent on the person and their current situation..................

[solemn tulip]

life advice is not universal

[quasi blaze]

Cleaning your room is an example of life advice. That can be applicable to everyone

Cleaning it everyday

[honest star]

I'd argue that the only useful advice is one that is personalized or has context that makes it useful to consider.

[thick osprey]

That is a chore, not advice.

[gritty zinc]

maybe yours isn't

[quasi blaze]

There’s actually a psychological component in cleaning your room everyday

[gritty zinc]

you should do correct things and not wrong ones. If you think you can make a mistake, don't do so.

subscribe to my substack for more life advice

[tardy rain]

Blessed advice

[thick osprey]

How nice for it. It's still a chore.

[tardy rain]

Showering also has a psychological component but its not advice

Its a chore 🗿

[honest star]

Is asking about career choices not life advice? What you are even defining as life advice

[glossy niche]

ah yes, my fav piece of jordan peterson advice, WIPE YOUR ASS

or whatever it is he said

oh right clean your room

[quasi blaze]

That doesn’t discredit my claim that it’s a psychological component. Having a positive psychological outcome is great for a living a better life

[solemn tulip]

answering just "Advice about life choices" as a clarifying example of not personalized advice suggests all life choice advice is non-personalized

not "there exists life advice that is not personalized"

[tardy rain]

Bro did you not just say i discredit someones experiences for saying this exact thing

[thick osprey]

Are we still talking about what the difference between advice and personalized advice is? Because it doesn't feel like it to me.

[honest star]

eeeey, I get in-seat power for my next flight let's goooo

[young shoal]

is that rare

for domestic flights

[tardy rain]

What is that

A power socket?

[honest star]

It's about 50/50 if only the front half gets power in-seats for the flights I've been on

[jaunty wraith]

wack

[honest star]

mhm, place to plug in your devices during the flight

[tardy rain]

You guys get those for domestic flights?

[young shoal]

just fly not economy

[tardy rain]

Wtf

[quasi blaze]

Life advice is advice that is applicable to everyone. Personalized advice is advice to the person who receives it. That’s the difference.

But you could argue that the advice you receive can be both life and personalized advice

[jaunty wraith]

you don't?

[young shoal]

bro forgor that domestic flights can last multiple hours here

[tardy rain]

Idk, never been on a domestic flight

[solemn tulip]

Life advice is advice that is applicable to everyone
for what definition of life advice?

[honest star]

Unfortunately my company's airfare policy typically ends up in my taking layovers, so I do a bunch of shorter flights. On the shorter flights it's a toss-up if the entire plane gets in-seat power or not

[jaunty wraith]

why are you surprised then lol

[tardy rain]

This is what i get for flying budget air

[solemn tulip]

"should I pursue path X in life" is very much life advice, no?

[tardy rain]

All the flights i've been on have been international

I assumed theyre fancier

[jaunty wraith]

allegedly

[tardy rain]

Truly europoor

[honest star]

Is the UK even big enough to have domestic flights?

[young shoal]

post-brexit UK

[tardy rain]

Theres a couple i think

[jaunty wraith]

shots fired

[tardy rain]

To manchester, glasgow probably

[thick osprey]

So we weren't. Cool. All set on that. I'd still take both your styles of advice from my parents (given the option) over a stranger.

Time for a hike. See y'all

[jaunty wraith]

aren't there trains from the isle of man to scotland's northern tip?

[honest star]

LOOK, people in the UK say that a 4 hour drive is long and cross-country. That feels like no-domestic flights to me

[solemn tulip]

something something established trust over time

[low chasm]

average American commute

[young shoal]

one way

[jaunty wraith]

America is large for no reason tbh

[tardy rain]

Americans are just crazy to put up with such long drives

[low chasm]

manifest destiny moment

[tardy rain]

This is why you dont have high speed rail

[thick osprey]

They had to fit Texas in it.

[jaunty wraith]

real

[jaunty wraith]

for no reason, I said

[solemn tulip]

sprawling suburbs are great y'all

[quasi blaze]

That’s the distinction that I am explaining in regards to my claim that receiving advice from your parent is no different than receiving advice from a stranger

[honest star]

Nah, we don't have high speed rail because of the automotive industry 😩

[tardy rain]

I dont think its that long but yea, there are sleeper trains

Super cool but also super spenny

[jaunty wraith]

spenny

[quasi blaze]

You’re basically biased if you favour your parent’s advice over a stranger.

[honest star]

You haven't defined life advice in a way that makes any amount of sense yet

[thick osprey]

Yes.

[honest star]

You're just stating things with absolutely nothing backing it up, despite multiple questions

[young shoal]

and Amtrak is trying to be expensive and travel focused now

[solemn tulip]

no, because you have had prior interactions and established trust over time

[willow narwhal]

Bias is why I favour my parents' advice

[jaunty wraith]

America moment

[solemn tulip]

that's not some blind bias

[tardy rain]

You could all.be getting around like jack reacher rn btw

But nah

[low chasm]

lmao I know a dude who wanted to take the metro to New York, it would have costed like 200$ apparently

[willow narwhal]

All about prior probabilities

[young shoal]

I can get to NY for pretty cheap

but I have basically a direct train ride

[honest star]

if you do the math the price is about equivalent depending on tolls you take and gas actually

[low chasm]

oh, hmm

[honest star]

... because I have done that math

[low chasm]

lmfao

[honest star]

train >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[jaunty wraith]

cars 👎🏼

[quasi blaze]

I defined it in the context of my argument

[young shoal]

but also: other people on the train 🤮

[honest star]

Not really, but sure.

[solemn tulip]

at least it's not on a plane

[honest star]

counter-point: wifi and you get to zone out the entire time with noise cancelling headphones

[willow narwhal]

Also, you get to go 300 km/h without having to "check in" or have your baggage checked

[jaunty wraith]

I have heard things about NY metros

[young shoal]

oh yeah, if you have to drive, train def better. if you have someone else, pz ez

[honest star]

and no TSA

cause fuuuuck airport security

[young shoal]

real

[quasi blaze]

It’s so easy to go in the wrong direction in life if your parent gives you the wrong advice. Blindly listening just because they are your parents. Evaluate the advice objectively

[glossy niche]

TRAINS I FUCKING LOVE TRAINS

[honest star]

... anyway back to talking about trains

[glossy niche]

big mechanical worm that takes me places

[jaunty wraith]

it's a demon

[willow narwhal]

What's y'all's favourite trains?

[glossy niche]

all of them

[low chasm]

Tesla 😌

[honest star]

on time ones :)

[honest star]

ew

[jaunty wraith]

counterpoint: teslas make muskrat richer

[honest star]

One of my work trips I was forced to take a Tesla and I have never hated a car more in my existance

Everything about it was terrible

[low chasm]

I have a picture somewhere of the parking lot outside this function I went to, it was all Teslas

[honest star]

Things I didn't think could be terrible were astoundingly terrible

[solemn tulip]

you should train-hike switzerland

[young shoal]

it costs 144 monthly to go to work (by train) 😭😭. which is actually not bad if you factor in parking. the worst part is that regional trail has absolutely terrible time mostly. not during rush hour = train every hour

[glossy niche]

my street is full of teslas

🤮

i should key one

[honest star]

Oh god yeah, I had to suffer regional rail saturday night and good lord they need more frequent train times

[harsh tundra]

Did any of them catch on fire by itself?

[low chasm]

we drive a plug in hybrid, which is honestly kind of great

[honest star]

I really, really want to. After college I did a semi-train hike through parts of germany/czech republic/austria and I adored it

[low chasm]

since any sort of daily commute for like grocery and stuff ends up being fully electric

[honest star]

Nah, that's DC metro. Not the city where I live in now

[young shoal]

I thought they meant the Teslas

[jaunty wraith]

why do you drive a plug? in hybrid, even

[solemn tulip]

my commute for grocery shopping is walking across the road 😌

[low chasm]

don't diss my plug man

[low chasm]

must be nice

[tardy rain]

Based walkable city enjoyer

[honest star]

lol are teslas known for being on fire? I thought they were known for constantly falling apart and running people over on autopilot

[young shoal]

it is a 30 minute walk to the nearest grocery store

[low chasm]

they've started catching on fire

[tardy rain]

Mine is 5min and i get to cross 2 bridges

[low chasm]

oh, a Tesla door closed on my fingers once

[honest star]

moving to the heart of a walkable city has boosted my mental and overall life quality like nothing else

[low chasm]

there's no sensors apparently

[solemn tulip]

why not both?

[low chasm]

it's so bullshit

[quasi blaze]

Lol look what happened. The previous topic got completely hijacked before it reached to a conclusion. This is why equal level ranks in a table is preferable for me

[jaunty wraith]

all three

[willow narwhal]

The vehicle I go grocery shopping with is the ultimate freedom vehicle. No government registration, I can park anywhere, no need to go to gas stations

[honest star]

It got hijacked because people wanted to talk about a new topic

[young shoal]

rank had nothing to do with it 👍

[low chasm]

we should all join back on an alt

[honest star]

I've done a conversation "hijack" like this on my alt without my roles, it has nothing to do with my fancy color

[young shoal]

Mark 1 leg(s)

[jaunty wraith]

oh hai mark

[willow narwhal]

Actually a bike, but yeah, walking works too if I don't need too much

[young shoal]

🤓☝️ it's because of your authoritative tone backed by the confidence you could switch back and moderate

[quasi blaze]

That’s you with your authority status to re-transition to the next topic

[solemn tulip]

"oh, shiny conversation topic"

[young shoal]

oh but you need a lock and the bike stand things

[tardy rain]

We might have to move further out of the city and it will kill all the joy i've ever had accumulated in my life if it happens

[jaunty wraith]

why do you need a bike stand?

[honest star]

loool, like I said. I've done this before on my alt. It has nothing to do with my roles

[vocal oyster]

sobbing and crying because you can't debate forever

[tardy rain]

Further outside of london is goddamn suburbs

[young shoal]

something to lock it to

[grave wigeon]

can someone please help me with something? im tryna do this job sim and the first step is to paste "npx create-react-app@3.4.1 my-app --scripts-version=@skyscanner/backpack-react-scripts --template @skyscanner/backpack --use-npm"

into the terminal
but what terminal? there was no bg info

[honest star]

I would try to avoid it all costs tbh

[low chasm]

British suburbs 🤯

[jaunty wraith]

lock it to random places

[willow narwhal]

A lock yes, but that takes 3 seconds. Bike stands in that sense are everywhere here.

[low chasm]

pub I kind of get what you mean about suits now

[young shoal]

I could feasibly bike to work

[low chasm]

Mike Ross is an ungrateful piece of shit

[tardy rain]

Unfortunately its better financially and the gf thinks she'd be closer to the woods

[low chasm]

he's had like zero character development

[tardy rain]

I've got pressure from all sides

[stable fulcrum]

I am stealing this

[jaunty wraith]

the… woods?

[honest star]

Donna >>>>>>>>

[low chasm]

Donna carries the show

[jaunty wraith]

are you dating a druid?

[honest star]

..... I just did the reverse where I did suburbs -> city. I cannot overstate how much my day-to-day is simply ✨ better ✨

[willow narwhal]

I recently discovered my town has priority bike routes. They go in a straight line for many kilometers and you have priority everywhere, no traffic lights etc.

[tardy rain]

A dryad yes

[frozen coral]

countryside >>>>

[honest star]

that's amazing

[young shoal]

:O

[jaunty wraith]

ah right

[young shoal]

the US could never

[jaunty wraith]

dryads druids

[tardy rain]

We did that too, we used to live in suburb outside of cambridge

[karmic gust]

out of a city is not necessarily in a suburb

[low chasm]

the three million ton trucks could never

[tardy rain]

In the pandemic too

It was death

[karmic gust]

there are benefits to living in and out of a city, suburbs though are a lifeless blight

[jaunty wraith]

if you line the trucks up in a single line, you could make a bike lane on top of them

[tardy rain]

Theres not much outside of london

Unless you go really out

[honest star]

I feel that in my fucking boooones. But to be fair that situation did get me super involved in PyDis as a coping mechanism

[jaunty wraith]

cope

literally

[low chasm]

I joined pydis during the pandemic lol

[frozen coral]

same

[acoustic moss]

same

[tardy rain]

It got me to drop to underweight status lol

[honest star]

I would argue city >> countryside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburbs

[rain marsh]

same

[jaunty wraith]

congrats, or sorry that happened

[low chasm]

suburbs > countryside

[honest star]

absolutely not. wrong.

[jaunty wraith]

average bad aboo take

[frozen coral]

city life isn't for me anymore, need the peace and quiet & field views out my window

[low chasm]

explain 😩

[rain marsh]

I lied nvm

[low chasm]

???

in the countryside there's like, nothing

[rain marsh]

holy smokes I joined in 2019? thats so weird

[low chasm]

the suburbs are something

[acoustic moss]

cities good tbh

[honest star]

suburbs are the worst of both worlds. Everything still requires a car, you still have neighbors closeby and no real privacy and seclusion.

[solemn tulip]

I'm team "city but not in the immediate center, but with excellent public transit so it doesn't matter"

[frozen coral]

joined before I did lol

[tardy rain]

In the suburbs theres just houses aboo

[honest star]

you need the fields for your bunnies, don't lie

[low chasm]

well yeah, and the occasional Walmart

[rain marsh]

You also joined in 2019

[tardy rain]

It was a half hour walk to the nearest store

[frozen coral]

That's what the garden is for

[frozen coral]

2020

[honest star]

how're they doing btw?

[tardy rain]

It was 45' on a bus to the city centre

[low chasm]

the thing about the suburbs is that you can generally get to a more urban area without an unholy amount of driving

[acoustic moss]

huh it shows me jayy joined in 2022

[honest star]

OH! Chris! Do you have your bunnies really long dandelion stems to chew on?

[frozen coral]

huh what

[rain marsh]

it was because I kept leaving and rejoining lol

[honest star]

I saw a video of a bunny going ham on one and it was so fucking cute

[frozen coral]

guess I must have accidentaly left or something

[acoustic moss]

timezones, man

[frozen coral]

yeah ! and apple tree branches

[honest star]

pls record video next time and send to me, thx

[carmine apex]

maybe you got aboo'd. or rem'd. or whatever it's called now

[frozen coral]

banks'd

[jaunty wraith]

thuri'd

[karmic gust]

(edited)
coward!

[acoustic moss]

why should only kat get em

send it in #announcements

[carmine apex]

plz no

[solemn tulip]

rem(abo)oved

[jaunty wraith]

wabbit videos

[honest star]

true true, you make a very good point

[low chasm]

everyone ping

[carmine apex]

everyone ghost ping

[jaunty wraith]

ping

[honest star]

urgh, speaking of I really need to finish this code jam qualifier......

[young shoal]

at everyone bnuyy

[acoustic moss]

leaked

[solemn tulip]

@everyοne observe these buns!

[acoustic moss]

mfw chris's rabbits break discord's backend

[frozen coral]

An attempt shall be made

[carmine apex]

reasonably sure that any interaction with discord breaks discord's backend

[acoustic moss]

nahhh

[thick osprey]

Well that was a fast walk. Put my shoe on and the soul tore clean off the heel.

[acoustic moss]

discords backend is unironically goated ngl

its the frontend thats

lets say questionable

[carmine apex]

if this ain't a typo, uhhhhh

[acoustic moss]

dang, not the soul

[thick osprey]

sole, soul, saul.

[jaunty wraith]

better call sole

[karmic gust]

good time for that to happen, relative to the middle of a walk

[carmine apex]

do you actually pronounce those three the same?

[thick osprey]

True! That would really have been unplesant. It's wet out too.

[honest star]

sole and soul, yes. saul, no.

[carmine apex]

soul and sole, sure, but saul?

[acoustic moss]

saul is like soll

[rain marsh]

better call sol

[jaunty wraith]

saw l

[thick osprey]

My fingers do, apparently.

[honest star]

saul is like stall without the t

[jaunty wraith]

no 🍵 ?

[acoustic moss]

how do u guys say gauss

[jaunty wraith]

gaw ss

[honest star]

gaw-ss

[jaunty wraith]

slow

[honest star]

or gow-ss, depends on context

[acoustic moss]

the brain says ga-oos but the heart says goss 😔

[willow narwhal]

If I'm talking about the person, then [ɡaʊs]

[thick osprey]

Let stall have some tea!

[jaunty wraith]

look at you IPA'ing

[carmine apex]

ipa, who do you think you are? stel?

[frozen coral]

great idea!

[honest star]

I still think the schwa is fake and should be deleted

[acoustic moss]

whats the else on that if

[karmic gust]

people who cant pronounce gif: "joss"

[willow narwhal]

I did study the same field, so sort of

[carmine apex]

admin imposter! admin imposter! moddddds!

[thick osprey]

Hmmm... Converse or New Balance for replacements?

[frozen coral]

where?!

[carmine apex]

l3viathan. destroy them, chris!

[jaunty wraith]

Chris is the impostor

[frozen coral]

!ban l3viathan

[willow narwhal]

I think [gɒs] then

[frozen coral]

Ah, I can't ban anymore

not a mod

[jaunty wraith]

your a is upside down

[acoustic moss]

idk what that means

[frozen coral]

shame

[carmine apex]

[jaunty wraith]

skill issue

[carmine apex]

tbf, pot calling the kettle black

[willow narwhal]

like "call" except with a g and an s

[acoustic moss]

ah

ga oos is the correct german pronunciation i think

?

[willow narwhal]

Yes, but as a diphtong

[solemn tulip]

correctly

[carmine apex]

get stel'd: the dude's name is ɡaʊs

[acoustic moss]

we should talk about oyclid and yuler

[carmine apex]

also dirichlet

[honest star]

....yuler?

[jaunty wraith]

oil er

[acoustic moss]

mhm

[frozen coral]

we should add this to the superstar list

[jaunty wraith]

at least you didn't say eww ler

[acoustic moss]

hardly know her

[solemn tulip]

I was about to say

[young shoal]

it's yuler and I'm tired of calling him a hockey team

[solemn tulip]

||oil her? I hardly know her||

[young shoal]

also I've heard people say "da broccoli"

[jaunty wraith]

[acoustic moss]

lmao

[solemn tulip]

[acoustic moss]

de broglie

[solemn tulip]

wtf

[jaunty wraith]

lol

[young shoal]

lul

we also have the oily macaroni constant

[carmine apex]

well i guessed broglie wrong. turns out it's closer to "de broi"

[acoustic moss]

oh then i said it wrong too

i thought only the g was silent

[carmine apex]

same

[jaunty wraith]

you took a silent L

[carmine apex]

blasted french with their stealth consonants

[solemn tulip]

"French aristocrat and physicist"

[acoustic moss]

i had to say the word "lipschitz" irl today

[solemn tulip]

it's pronounced like you think it is

[acoustic moss]

yeah

[jaunty wraith]

…is it pronounced like dipshit?

[solemn tulip]

lip shits

[willow narwhal]

sounds like a really bad medical condition

[jaunty wraith]

oh

[willow narwhal]

"miserere" is the official term I think

[solemn tulip]

continuous condition

I'm editing this 7.8k test file and it's making me sad

[young shoal]

7.8k loc or tests

[solemn tulip]

I'm sure it could be condensed to like 1/8 of that if only people made the appropriate helpers or fixtures

[jaunty wraith]

oh no

[willow narwhal]

You're giving me flashbacks..

[solemn tulip]

75 lines of includes 🙃

[thick osprey]

My favorite game is deleting a test, running coverage, and seeing no change.

[young shoal]

actual java moment

[solemn tulip]

the impl file has 107 lines of includes

[young shoal]

that doesn't mean it's not useful though 🤔

[solemn tulip]

java imports

[willow narwhal]

Unofficial rule I try to adhere to: if a test doesn't improve coverage, it gets deleted

[solemn tulip]

this is glorious C++

[jaunty wraith]

C++ moment

[thick osprey]

Right. It's the three way question now:

• Did it do nothing
• Did it do something
• Was it just acting like one of the above

[carmine apex]

sure the real favorite would be two where deleting exactly one (either one) of them changes nothing?

[acoustic moss]

what if you need to test two things about the same bit of code

idk ive never written a test in my life

[willow narwhal]

I might write a single test then :P

[solemn tulip]

at least isn't not this other 25k test file I saw

[jaunty wraith]

D:

[acoustic moss]

dropout regularize

[jaunty wraith]

why not?

[acoustic moss]

i never write incorrect code

[young shoal]

based

[jaunty wraith]

doubt

[acoustic moss]

sounds like skill issue if you ask me

[willow narwhal]

Do your coworkers also all write pristine code only?

[thick osprey]

See, I'm the polar opposite. I get lost in test side-tracks. "Is this really thread safe? Let's test it!" ((mind you the actual goal had nothing to do with the database at all, its there for something to do work in the background))
https://github.com/Preocts/flask_playground/blob/main/tests/pizzastore_test.py#L90-L133

[jaunty wraith]

he has no coworkers

[acoustic moss]

i work alone im the alpha

or the sigma

idk how it works

[jaunty wraith]

erm, what the sigma

[young shoal]

me fixing flaky integration tests: 🗿

[jaunty wraith]

(idk what that means)

[willow narwhal]

Flaky tests also get deleted

[willow narwhal]

I think sigma got invented by sellers of self-help BS after "alpha" didn't sound cool enough anymore.

This is all derived from a misinterpreted experiment with wolves

[thick osprey]

You mean someone misinterpreted a paper and ran with it creating a wave of hype around a falsehood? Say it isn't so.

[acoustic moss]

TIL omega also exists

apparently its the bottom tier

[jaunty wraith]

zeta is cooler

[young shoal]

Riemann sigma

[solemn tulip]

sounds like a setup for a ||sigma riemann spheres||

[willow narwhal]

TL;DR: There's alpha wolves, which are the strong dominant winner types. Beta, which are their helpers or whatever, and omegas, which are the Weaklings Who Should Buy My Book.

Except this is based on observing wolves in captivity. In nature, wolf packs are almost always families without this dominance fighting. So if anything the experiment is comparable to humans in prisons.

[solemn tulip]

so takeaway: prisons are human zoos

[thick osprey]

I mean...

[acoustic moss]

zoos are animal prisons

[jaunty wraith]

zoos are prisons

[solemn tulip]

convicted by a ||kangaroo court||

[jaunty wraith]

there used to be humans captive in zoos

[acoustic moss]

humans when given the slightest opportunity to oppress others:

[quasi blaze]

Zoos are prisons.
Toronto Zoo is a zoo.
Therefore, Toronto Zoo is a prison.

I appreciate logic even more now

[vocal oyster]

🙄

nice deduction

[solemn tulip]

conditioned on the original statement being true

[glossy niche]

is this entire argument built on the fact that john bumfuck who decided to name the zoo after his city is a rep for the city

[tardy rain]

Zoos arent prisons because no animal has ever stood trial and been incarcerated

[willow narwhal]

That's probably not true

[thick osprey]

Is that a requirement of at least one animal, some of the animals, or all of them?

[honest star]

So are zoos jails then?

[willow narwhal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial

[glossy niche]

there are many prisons that hold people without trial

[willow narwhal]

However, in 1750, a female donkey was acquitted of charges of bestiality due to witnesses to the animal's virtue and good behaviour while her co-accused human was sentenced to death.[4]

[glossy niche]

or is that just a jail or what

im aware the 2 r different at least in the US

[honest star]

Typically people who have yet to go to trial are held in jail, not prison

[glossy niche]

jail diff from prison

[quasi blaze]

No?

[tardy rain]

Thats jail yea

[glossy niche]

oh

but no i meant like there are many cases in history of people being imprisoned for years without trial or charge

[tardy rain]

Animals that are usually found guilty of a crime are put down

[glossy niche]

yknow, history being full of jolly and whimsy

[honest star]

But if we go for the joke (rather than the more accurate: zoos are sanctuaries and educational centers), zoos are essentially guantanamo. Their rights are suspended for dubious reasons for an unknown period of time

[solemn tulip]

and allegedly waterboarding

[honest star]

tbf, in the US deathrow can take awhile

[willow narwhal]

Katya the Bear is a female brown bear native to Kazakhstan[13] who was imprisoned in 2004 after being found guilty of mauling two people in separate incidents.[14] Katya was held in the Arkalyk Prison in Kostanay.[13]

[honest star]

also states are very bad at actually killing people humanly and that causes a lot of delays. It's pretty horrific

[solemn tulip]

imagine bunking with a bear

[glossy niche]

lord forbid women have fun 🙄

[glossy niche]

did u also watch that one video titled "the false evolution of execution methods"

[honest star]

I've listened to and read quite a bit on recent issues with executions in certain states

[glossy niche]

the tl;dr if the 50 min video is that US executions are so bad that some prisoners asked to be executed by firing squad instead

butthey have evolved in such a way that they are no longer seen as barbaric from the POV of the general public

like, lethal injection doesnt sounds as barbaric as firing squad, no?

but it is

[solemn tulip]

I imagine one is instant and painless, the other is the injection

[glossy niche]

yeeaa

[willow narwhal]

Execution methods are generally chosen to look not too barbaric, not to be the most painless/effective one.
If I'm to be executed put me down for the guillotine please.

[glossy niche]

injections r actually slow n painful

[glossy niche]

yea, summary of the vid

oh and actually, a lot of the medieval torture methods we know of today r just myths

[young shoal]

have my brain get crushed by an anvil FR

[glossy niche]

that ppl made up just so they can put them in meuseums or such

[round pendant]

lmao, ranking functional programming languages
||everything ended up in S-tier||

[glossy niche]

based

[honest star]

I'm half convinced some days all I need is to vibe on the stretcher rack for like 15 minutes

[glossy niche]

probably decompresses ur back real good

like a good pull up

[round pendant]

AHAH

but what is lasagna generic over? ingredients?
what would Lasagna () be? what is a lasagna with a unit

maybe its a monoid
there surely must be mempty :: Lasagna if someone ate it

[glossy niche]

wheres stinckie when you need his mathemagics

[round pendant]

stinckie 💀

[solemn tulip]

What would unit even be?

[glossy niche]

he could have picked a different name if he didnt want that pun made on him 😭

[round pendant]

in what category does the lasagna object exist

[glossy niche]

i eat it

[round pendant]

based

[glossy niche]

there is a functor called my mouth

[round pendant]

thats a const functor sir

[glossy niche]

turns everything into digested everything

[solemn tulip]

immutable lasagna

[round pendant]

does that mean you cant eat it
you can only go and cook smaller lasagna

[dapper dew]

Is it time for cube rule of food again

[round pendant]

newtype Const a b = Const {unConst :: a}
instance Functor (Const a) where
  fmap _ (Const a) = Const a

so the mouth functor is const because it maps every object in the food category to the same object in the uhh.. i dont know category

[frozen coral]

please not again

[glossy niche]

jokes on you i cant remember any of this notation/syntax

oh wait that i remember now

[dapper dew]

Its the perfect thing for long drawn out discussions over what definitions we choose to use, and try to make logical conclusions from

Which seems to be a recurring theme here anyway

[glossy niche]

is this chat a monad

[frozen coral]

no, it's an object

[round pendant]

an object in the category of discord chats

what would the morphisms in this category be

[young shoal]

an object is just a cringe closure

[round pendant]

messages?

[grave cove]

chat, is it real?

[solemn tulip]

>>> type(chat)
monad

[round pendant]

no its complex

[young shoal]

sauce?

[quasi blaze]

If and only if I have a ticket, I can get on the plane

I don’t have a ticket, so I can’t get on the plane

[round pendant]

tomato

well actually

[thick osprey]

Chat, is this rizz?

[grave cove]

bro is learning discrete math unit 1

how exciting

[round pendant]

garlic sauce >>

[grave cove]

type shit fr

[young shoal]

ong (/)

no cap

[thick osprey]

[young shoal]

frfr

[round pendant]

jonathan blow on garlic sauce (gone agressive)

[grave cove]

ayo?

[young shoal]

why is he blowing on garlic sauce

[quasi blaze]

This is a mischaracterization

[thick osprey]

Rarely have I met a someone so angry who isn't angry.

[grave cove]

i wasn't characterizing you

i was simply making an observation on the actions you were performing

[young shoal]

that's what characterizing means, btw

[quasi blaze]

That’s what it means lol

[grave cove]

don't i have to make an observation on your character

[young shoal]

characterizing doesn't need to be about character

[grave cove]

sounds counterintuitive

[round pendant]

englesh

[young shoal]

it is quite useful

it's polymorphic

[grave cove]

real

[round pendant]

is it parametric polymorphism or ad hoc polymorphism

[grave cove]

ok but bro is still learning discrete math unit 1

[young shoal]

but regardless, it is a typical discrete math topic. so I would say that even if unintentional, it is learning discrete math

[quasi blaze]

Again, mischaracterization

What if it was already learned?

Did you not consider that a possibility?

[young shoal]

there is no stop to learning. it's always ongoing

[grave cove]

its very possible to learn something twice

[thick osprey]

or three times.

[young shoal]

you'd call it review, though

[wraith flower]

Unless you forgot it all

[round pendant]

me on my way to learn mappings 3 times in
set theory
type theory
category theory
each time understanding more on how to apply the same thing to different things

[quasi blaze]

You can rehash material that was already learned

[grave cove]

hashbrowns are great

[quasi blaze]

You didn’t consider that a possibility in your characterization of me

[grave cove]

too bad i guess

[young shoal]

hashbrowns are great

[grave cove]

agreed

[quasi blaze]

Conceded?

[grave cove]

nah

[young shoal]

but also, rust's hash brown crate

[round pendant]

are brown hashes good though

[young shoal]

really cool

[thick osprey]

Tator tots.

[grave cove]

depends on who you ask

[round pendant]

are there brown hashes in a rainbow hash table

[grave cove]

ngl i've never been able to get into tater tots

[quasi blaze]

No that’s wrong

[wraith flower]

I'd like to bring to the table, thick sliced oven baked potatoes(chips/fries)

[young shoal]

true. the best part about such potato products is the crust. the tot maximizes surface area to volume ratio

[thick osprey]

That's unfortunate. A staple meal of my roomies used to be a full bag of tots with a bowl of brown gravy. So good.

[round pendant]

there is no brown in rainbow so a brown hash would be secure against rainbow table attacks right?