ot1-perplexing-regexing

[small coral]

certainly more work can be accomplished by dedicating time to production

[thick osprey]

I should try that more often.

[honest star]

It's actually nap time for me now~

[strange blade]

They don't make sense, they make dolla dolla bills

[small coral]

but humans are these feeble mortals like any other being on earth that needs time to recoup

oh wait why am i talking like this

[strange blade]

.uwu

[median dome]

but humans awe these feebwe mowtaws wike a-any othew b-being on eawth t-that n-needs time t-to wecoup

[small coral]

bwut h-humons ar dweese f-feebwe mowtawls wike a-any othewr b-beiwng on e-eawthh t- dat nweed time t-to wec- wecouwp... >~<

[strange blade]

stop

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @strange blade until <t:1717374089:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[small coral]

wha-

[lament cairn]

ok

[small coral]

what happened

[grave cove]

that looked accidental

!unmute 1111431863823781948

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @strange blade.

[strange blade]

oops

what happened

[vale raven]

You sent duplicate messages

[small coral]

where

[strange blade]

oh

I just spammed enter tho

[vale raven]

Bot deletes them after it mutes

[grave cove]

yeah you shouldn't do that

bot has low tolerance for spamming

[strange blade]

yea

[small coral]

enter key by itself doesn't work though..?

[vale raven]

Bot should get off its high horse

[strange blade]

on my lag it will

[small coral]

oh.

[strange blade]

[strange blade]

🐴 🛫

[grave cove]

get that horse off the airplane

[vale raven]

theres motherfucking horses on this motherfuckkng plane

[strange blade]

😔

[vale raven]

Apparently that’s an actual thing

[small coral]

um yea?

[vale raven]

“Air Horse One”

[grave cove]

lmfao

[small coral]

NON_)N_-

[vale raven]

[strange blade]

badumtss

[small coral]

if you think about it italicized N is like a W with a missing \

\N

[strange blade]

Is that horse made of air? because that's what it implies in my head

[small coral]

air force one

and horses

[strange blade]

It also implies that there is a president of horses

[small coral]

alternate universe where horses are people!!

wait..

[vale raven]

Haven’t you met Mister Ed?

Only horse ever to be a mister

[strange blade]

palaminos are the horse upper class

Mister Ed ==> horse equivalent of Mr President?

The trajectory of ot1's discussion is going 🐴 🛫

[small coral]

8 sided dice!!

no wait..

8 dice!!

:3

[strange blade]

[lament cairn]

imaginary dice

[soft violet]

D8s are a thing.

They're not cubic.

[strange blade]

I've seen the vsauce short with the different die

[soft violet]

You've got d2s, d4s, d6s, d8s, d10s, d12s, d20s and I've seen a d100, but it's a bit impractical.

[strange blade]

I've seen a d1

[soft violet]

A...sphere?

[strange blade]

no

That'd be a d... infinity?

[soft violet]

Oh, one of those things that always settles on one side?

[wheat lynx]

a gömböc

[strange blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAuinBotBQ

[soft violet]

Right right.

[strange blade]

Michael!

[strange blade]

Code "1" 💀

[remote ocean]

hey guys
there is an all night meme fest it is tech themed
(https://twitch.tv/finndolf)

[honest star]

Hurm.... so if I have an Azure Web App (postgres flavor of DB), what's the best way to connect to the DB to do some one-time loading/schema creation?

I guess the most reliable is having a one-time initialize folder with data and scripts, then shell connecting in browser to run that accessible code once and/or run some manual SQL commands to COPY in the data I need....

[fresh basalt]

the people in #databases might have ideas

[honest star]

the sticky part is that the DB is only accessible on the deployed virtual network and I don't really want to open it up to external connections if I can avoid it

[thick osprey]

I usually just throw it into a database script section of the code. I do mostly serverless work so there is a lambda that just runs those scripts behind a feature flag or a deployable, one-time, cron trigger.

[honest star]

Is it part of your "main" code or is it sectioned off elsewhere in your codebase?

Running a bit with the feature flag thing, is that an env var or do you implement it in a different way?

[thick osprey]

It's a part of the main codebase. My pattern at work is to have a /handler module which is all the lambda entry points. Normally those are super small modules. Just accept the trigger event and pass it to the controllers asap. For the database stuff most the logic lives in that handler since we'd need a different solution for a different deployment.

[thick osprey]

The feature flag is probably in-house solution for me. Our CI updates the deployment platform's run-time variables. Then, during deployment, those are pushed to the Parameter Store in AWS. The cron kicks the lambda off, the flag is set to True, the database scripts run, the handler sets the flag to False.

[granite tree]

In most of my apps, we'll build an internal admin query interface (ie: a form to execute arbitrary or preloaded scripts). Obvious security considerations

[thick osprey]

Yeah, there's a lambda that runs every 15 minutes and does nothing. It costs us a penny a month (if that)

[honest star]

hurm... okay. Lots to chew on

appreciate the input from y'all~

[thick osprey]

One of our apps has this setup. I'm frantically trying to level up my nodejs skills so that I can build more off the existing interface.

Though I hesitate on the arbitrary script part. All manual actions to the database (query or otherwise) should be version controlled and tracked.

[granite tree]

Yah, the query accounts have somewhat restrictive permissions and it's not truly arbitrary in all cases.

And tbh, it's usually more for arbitrary selects for reporting/etc

(Again, except for certain tables)

[thick osprey]

We have an "export database" button which dumps the entire thing to file. But the largest table anything I work in has is only roughly 2 million rows. Orders of magnitude larger than any other table in the database.

I hope I get to drop that table this next two weeks.

[fresh basalt]

It's interesting how dismissive people can get as soon as they get the help they ask for.

[agile yacht]

discord runs on elixir right?

[fresh basalt]

You're thinking Electron

[agile yacht]

but nothing in the actual discord client can run on elixir right? it is all backend

[agile yacht]

huh?

i dont think so

electron is a js framework for apps right?

[honest star]

elixer is part of discord's tech stack, yeah

[fresh basalt]

is it now

ah, interesting

[agile yacht]

if there was any elixir as part of the actual discord client, they would have to ship the erlang vm with it under the hood right?

since elixir can only compile to .beam and an only run on the erlang vm

[honest star]

Really good blog on them using elixer (and a few other things) to support stuff: https://discord.com/blog/using-rust-to-scale-elixir-for-11-million-concurrent-users

[honest star]

yeah, the discord client is straight electron

[fresh basalt]

https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-scaled-elixir-to-5-000-000-concurrent-users

rust too

[agile yacht]

rust 🔛🔝

[fresh basalt]

(Not the client)

I was commenting on that later blog post

[warped sentinel]

you are very likely to find multiple languages as the company grows

[fresh basalt]

https://github.com/discord/manifold

[warped sentinel]

Sometimes, it's more of a reflection of HNN or popularity than purely being the best tool for the job too

[fresh basalt]

I guess if you want to attract impressionable young developers you have to use impressionable new technologies.

[void raptor]

it's more of a reflection of HNN
real

[fresh basalt]

Just keep the break room refrigerator stocked with kombucha.

[warped sentinel]

kind of funny to see blog posts like "How we rewrote our backend in Go". Then after rust became popular: "How we rewrote our backend in rust". And then as graphql was hot: "how we migrated our frontend to graphql"

[void raptor]

graphql my belothed

GraphQL is great technology... if you are in the problem domain that graphql solves.

[warped sentinel]

indeed

m2m is not that domain

[fresh basalt]

$foo technology is great technology if you are in the problem domain that $foo technology solves.

[void raptor]

News at 11

[warped sentinel]

so what's your AI strategy?

[fresh basalt]

Isolate it from the larger power grid then blow up the generators.

https://tenor.com/bJ00a.gif

[warped sentinel]

need to find miles dyson

[void raptor]

I like using AI to 'interrogate the common case'

As an alternative to google

[warped sentinel]

great strategy

[void raptor]

Maybe. I also bought that stupid brilliant AI poetry alarm clock

I guess that makes me an early adopter!!11!!11

[fresh basalt]

This is how I use Copilot:

[warped sentinel]

I use mistral with logseq

[fresh basalt]

I have a laptop RTX 3060 (only 6 GB) so I'm not running any LLM.

[void raptor]

What do you like about logseq versus other solutions? (like obsidian)

[fresh basalt]

I suppose I could try to learn about Google Colab.

[warped sentinel]

it's OSS and works great for me

[warped sentinel]

you can run them on CPU too

[void raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-lucy-charlie-brown-christmas-those-are-good-reasons-good-reason-gif-27081021

[fresh basalt]

at like 2 tokens per second maybe

[warped sentinel]

don't use it for autocomplete

[fresh basalt]

How does logseq make money?

[void raptor]

Probably vc funded with the goal of making an enterprise project and eventually selling it out to a big corp

?

[fresh basalt]

probably

Is your data stored locally or on their servers?

[warped sentinel]

locally

you can use their cloud

[fresh basalt]

ah

[warped sentinel]

I use my own nextcloud though

[fresh basalt]

local?

I'm not really familiar with nextcloud

it says you can do it on-premises

[warped sentinel]

oh you are missing out

it's great for groupware type

[fresh basalt]

I wonder if I'm curmudgeonly because I'm wary of cloud services.

[void raptor]

I think it’s fine to be wary of cloud services

I don’t know if I’d call it curmudgeonly

[honest star]

😩 Just as I get home and can finally sleep .... someone lights furniture outside my apartment on fire so now the fire department is involved and loud and I am so tired

[fresh basalt]

Well now you know your neighbors are arsonists.

[pliant nexus]

you should join them

its fun

[pliant nexus]

chatgpt needs a therapist

it obviously has self confidence issues

[pliant nexus]

more so than me definitely

[solemn tulip]

more like arsholists

[timid mountain]

I'm trying to do a git rebase but there is one file with conflicting history that I want to ignore to the power of infinity. I really don't care what's in it, it will get overwritten anyway, just give me the rest without making me resolve the conflicts. what's the magic word?

[small coral]

move it out, rebase, move it back in?

idk i'm not a git expert

[solemn tulip]

if it's overwritten and doesn't matter, why is it even tracked?

[young shoal]

they want "their" changes i think 🤔

[timid mountain]

it's an API spec that is fetched from the backend whenever the backend is updated

nobody cares what its history is

senior dev was expecting it to be in gitignore

[solemn tulip]

then maybe fix the issue and untrack and gitignore it

[timid mountain]

I have gitignored it but that doesn't seem to be retroactive

[solemn tulip]

it's not

you need to untrack it with (iirc) git rm

[young shoal]

git restore --cached or something

[solemn tulip]

are people just doing git add . or whatever blindly? 🥴

when I was using git I didn't rely on gitignore for correctness

[young shoal]

ya

[solemn tulip]

(in jj I do, but there it's more natural since everything gets auto staged)

[tardy rain]

git add -p gang

[fringe rain]

Yes

[tardy rain]

Chaotic neutral

[vale raven]

Aren’t you?

[solemn tulip]

god no

[young shoal]

jiery jrumpy jenix

[solemn tulip]

git add -u and then manually add any new files with git add file/to/add

[vale raven]

git status
git add -A

[tardy rain]

Adding things interactively has been great and helped me catch stuff left in the code and other nonsense

[thick ore]

https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/main/bot/resources/fun/trivia_quiz.json

i wonder why this needs ID

just use index

ah found it https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/5d2d536e77c3717757fc7f6b521d05523bd49007/bot/exts/fun/trivia_quiz.py#L400

[royal lake]

bot/exts/fun/trivia_quiz.py line 400

if question_dict["id"] not in done_questions:```

[thick ore]

done_questions should be a list of strings with the question text

[rain marsh]

.xkcd

[median dome]

XKCD comic #1861

If you draw a diagonal line from lower left to upper right, that's the ICP 'Miracles' axis.

2017/7/10 - #1861, 'Quantum'

[solemn tulip]

I've been very happy with vcs that mostly get rid of the staging area

[thick ore]

what the sigma

disabled mypy everythings good

[marble bay]

If it works it works

[thick ore]

it's not my code anyway :P

[strange blade]

gen a

you gyatt to be kidding me (what i just heard in vc with one of my friends)

[thick ore]

+1000 aura

on skibidi

[strange blade]

and that's why i rizzed up ice spice

[thick ore]

only in ohio fr

fanum taxing is crazy

[strange blade]

"why is oganesson a solid at room temperature but a noble gas"

same guy

[tardy rain]

Wdym its all the same thing

Lame, no

Do you think i work for 8h every day

Lmao

28

🤨

Im literally in my prime

Fully developed brain and everything

No

Work takes about 2-3h maybe

The rest is just faking it

[solemn tulip]

doesn't the average person have it kinda crappy?

[tardy rain]

No

Fully remote

I really am built diffrnt

[solemn tulip]

I don't mind work most of the time

I end up doing stuff that's usually interesting

[tardy rain]

I dont mind it either but its boring tech wise and boring domain wise

And can be done in a few hours

So i rush it and get on my chosen steam game for the week

[tardy rain]

Fallout 4 currently

[rough sapphire]

Skibdi bop bop bop yes yes

[pliant nexus]

what the hell is happening here

[fresh basalt]

!rule advertising

[royal lake]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[fresh basalt]

<@&831776746206265384>

[tardy rain]

admin
Home

Uhhhhh

[fresh basalt]

bad bot

First activity on the server today - bodes well.

[brazen ingot]

@solemn tulip damn bro worked on pyrival

[solemn tulip]

lol, not much

[quasi blaze]

Work load is low at my job today

[quasi blaze]

How does a software developer keep themselves busy when the workload is low?

[pliant nexus]

import pygame
import shapes

pygame.init()

GRAVITY = shapes.Coordinates(0, 9.81)

screen = pygame.display.set_mode((800, 600))
ball = shapes.Circle((255, 0, 0), 10, 5, shapes.Coordinates(400, 300), shapes.Coordinates(0, 0))

clock = pygame.time.Clock()
running = True

while running:
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            running = False

    screen.fill("cyan")
    
    if ball.status:
        drag = shapes.Coordinates(1/2 * 1.2 * (ball.velocity.x ** 2) * 0.47 * (3.1 * (ball.radius / 1000 ** 2)), 1/2 * 1.2 * (ball.velocity.y ** 1) * 0.47 * (3.1 * (ball.radius / 1000 ** 2)))
        net_force = shapes.Coordinates(ball.mass * GRAVITY.x - drag.x, ball.mass * GRAVITY.y - drag.y)

        accel = shapes.Coordinates(net_force.x / ball.mass, net_force.y / ball.mass)
    
        ball.velocity = shapes.Coordinates(ball.velocity.x + accel.x * (1/60), ball.velocity.y + accel.y * (1/60))
        ball.position = shapes.Coordinates(ball.position.x + ball.velocity.x, ball.position.y + ball.velocity.y)

    if ball.position.y > 600 - ball.radius and not round(ball.velocity.y):
        ball.status = 1
        ball.position.y = 600

    elif ball.position.y > 600 - ball.radius:
        ball.velocity.y = -ball.velocity.y
        ball.status = 1

    pygame.draw.circle(screen, ball.colour, (ball.position.x, ball.position.y), ball.radius)

    pygame.display.flip()
    clock.tick(60)

pygame.quit()

for some reason the ball sinks into the ground on the 5th bounce

i cant figure out why

and also shapes.py is :

class Coordinates:
    def __init__(self, x, y) -> None:
        self.x = x
        self.y = y

class Circle:
    def __init__(self, colour, radius, mass, position, velocity) -> None:
        self.coefficient = 0.42
        self.status = 1

        self.colour = colour
        self.radius = radius
        self.mass = mass
        self.position = position
        self.velocity = velocity

[pliant nexus]

can anyone guess why?

i should ask this on #python-discussion actually now that i think about it

[compact lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-am-in-love-with-you-i-adore-you-gif-9859134233255672583

[young shoal]

fix tech debt

[tardy rain]

Lol no

1. Go to indeed
2. Apply to jobs

[fresh basalt]

3. https://careers.mcdonalds.com/

[tardy rain]

How much does maccas engineering pay

Probably pretty good

[fresh basalt]

They're lovin' it.

[sacred cove]

[young shoal]

🤨

[jaunty wraith]

everyone has hobbies

[tardy rain]

You could always do better

Keep that in mind

[jaunty wraith]

real

how's the job search going, mar?

[tardy rain]

You wouldnt stay in a relationship if you werent satisfied 100% of your waking time, would you

[young shoal]

I thought they just said they didn't have many tasks

but also...100% satisfaction is kinda unreasonable don't you think

[tardy rain]

Youre not trying hard enough

[young shoal]

You're*

[tardy rain]

Youre mom*

[jaunty wraith]

hello son

[fresh basalt]

I just talked somebody out of making a mobile Python app. Woo.

[remote ocean]

woo

[quasi blaze]

My manager keeps asking me about Power BI training. Power BI is honestly not that complicated

I already made data visualizations of our finances for projects

[thick osprey]

To what end?

[quasi blaze]

That’s what my manager wanted lol. I am just doing my job

[thick osprey]

Then to answer your earlier question of how to some keep busy when workload is low: We don't just do our job. We find other things to do that align with it.

Take the training and learn how to leverage Power BI into finding value adds that nobody has considered yet. Dig into tech debt and start resolving issues that always wait "for when we have time". Invest the time in yourself while adding value to the company paying you for that time.

[quasi blaze]

From what I am researching about tech debt. It’s technical mistakes in the sense of poor software design and architecture?

[thick osprey]

Tech debt is anything left for another day. Mistakes, bugs, version updates that happen on a regular cycle, that one feature that would have been super nice but didn't fit in scope, improvements, exploration, etc.

[fresh basalt]

tech debt so deep my nickname is Mariana

[thick osprey]

Some of the teams at my workplace like to use different names for keeping versions up to date, vulnerabilities patched, and such. "Engineering Experience" is one. It's all just tech debt. Stuff you need to do, can do, or might do on deployed software that isn't new implemention.

[young shoal]

huh, this seems broader than the usual definition I see. not that it matters, it's all in the backlog 😩

[thick osprey]

Yeah. I'm guilty of using a broad brush against it. I've seen teams use more granular terms to break the backlog up. All they do is end up pushing the tech debt lower on priority by focusing on busy work that could actually wait a cycle because it's got a different name.

[young shoal]

I'm starting an ~initiative~ to make our docs more approachable for new members (me). we'll see how it goes 😩

but also I want to code stuff. so basically I am dooming my own ticket to the backlog

[thick osprey]

It's a valuable initiative. So easy for a team's knowledge to fall into silos and "common knowledge". Fresh eyes help and it's cool that you can actually start to make some improvements.

[young shoal]

ya. it took a whole day for me to figure out that "disco api" was short for ||"discovery api"||

[fresh basalt]

discovery inferno?

[thick osprey]

Abbreviations are the bane of knowledge. 😠

[young shoal]

real

[vale raven]

I don’t abbreviate
My docs are also many times longer than they could be

[thick osprey]

I remember last year my team gave both senior devs on the team three days of "offline" time to just work the lowest tickets on the backlog. We closed up 40+ tasks with 10 of them being bugs that had existed for a year or more.

[young shoal]

abbreviation is fine if you are restating the full in every "section"

[thick osprey]

We should do that again.

[vale raven]

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if CPython did that
I want to sort CPython’s issues to oldest first and see what’s actually still an issue

[fresh basalt]

Your doctors?

[vale raven]

[tardy rain]

Cant ever work on tech debt

If you ran out of tasks you should talk to your manager, not work on random things you think should be worked on

That leaves you vulnerable to getting dunked on

[fresh basalt]

You're very defensive.

[tardy rain]

If you ran out of tasks and want to do work*

[tardy rain]

It makes sense not to work on whatever you think is appropriate but ask your manager

Its part of their job to deal out tickets, isnt it?

[fresh basalt]

It probably depends on the manager.

And the circumstance.

[tardy rain]

Without more context this should be the generic advice

Ask your manager

(if you want work)

You could always stretch out current tasks and do other things

Not so advised

If your manager is asking about power bi training then do that

Its good for you

Goes on the CV, first of all
Could also benefit the company, its a win win

[idle elbow]

> Hello.

[thick ore]

C++ is so confusing like

you have multiple package managers that targets multiple build systems that targets multiple compilers

[solid elbow]

... like pip and poetry targetting setuptools and hatchling targeting cpython and pypy?

[thick ore]

never thought of it that way

but still, way too complicated to include libraries unlike pip install xyz

you have to deal with cmake

[solid elbow]

Python definitely has multiple package managers, multiple build systems, and multiple compilers/interpreters 🤷‍♂️

[warped sentinel]

and these compilers may not even target your environment

[solid elbow]

yeah, cross-compiling is a real big difference

but also, don't cross compile unless you have no other choice

especially if you need to build stuff that uses autotools, since conftest can't run programs to check OS behavior when you're cross-compiling

[thick ore]

the difference is that the python ecosystem hides these details from you

whereas in C++ it's not that simple

[solid elbow]

the choice of package manager and compiler/interpreter is directly up to the user

the choice of build system is up to the library author, though

you're right that that's abstracted from the end user of the library

they have to know what package manager they're using and what interpreter they're installing the package for, but don't have to know how the package gets built

in practice there's not many common build systems for C++, though, either. Pretty much everything I see uses cmake, autotools, or bespoke hand-maintained makefiles

[thick ore]

i see

so i'll just have to get used to it then 🥲

thanks

[solid elbow]

if you're just learning, you should probably only be installing packages from your distro's package manager

beyond that... yeah, C++'s package management story isn't anywhere near as good as more modern languages, or even Python's, but it's not too much of a problem in practice. If you learn how to build a CMake project (mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make install) and how to build an autotools project (./configure && make install) and how to build a project that just uses a Makefile (probably just make install), you're pretty much set.

the bigger problem is that every project might have a different way of controlling where it installs to, plus you might have to do extra work telling other packages how to find the one you just installed

distro package managers take care of all of that for you

[thick ore]

i see

i'm on windows btw so this is gonna be even more painful

[solid elbow]

oh. use WSL

unless you're specifically doing Windows-specific projects that can't be run on other OS's, at least

[pliant nexus]

arent you supposed to say how easy its going to be on windows insteda off how painful?

[thick ore]

oh ummmm

use vcpkg guys

microsoft

[pliant nexus]

micro soft

[brittle void]

guys, is there a way to execute an executable from one of its symlink in win?

[pliant nexus]

just run the symlink?

[brittle void]

i tried
but it didn't even detect it

[pliant nexus]

whats the error? i'm probably not smart enough to solve it though

[thick ore]

that's not a symlink 😭

[pliant nexus]

dont run it like that

[thick ore]

that's a shortcut

[pliant nexus]

do ./chdman

[thick ore]

yeah

[brittle void]

i did run mklink chdman "path to original chdman" and all it gave me is a shortcut

[thick ore]

ah yeah my bad

[brittle void]

bro this is wendy's (win)

[pliant nexus]

its the linux terminal not not windows

[thick ore]

shortcuts look like symlinks

[pliant nexus]

??

[pliant nexus]

chdman wont work, do ./chdman

[pliant nexus]

this is the issuue

[brittle void]

im running it in cmd

not in linux terminal

[pliant nexus]

......................

[brittle void]

ok it does run as expected in linux (wsl)
but not in cmd?

[pliant nexus]

so what i saiud worked?

[timid latch]

have you tried powershell? cmd is kind of old at this point

[pliant nexus]

mayve you are in the wrong dir?

run dir to check that in cmd, since you are using that

[brittle void]

i tried powershell
but im not even getting the output for the -h (help page) in it
atleast i got that in wsl

[brittle void]

im in the right dir

[pliant nexus]

checking with ls or dir doesnt hurt though

[brittle void]

i did do that

and the symlink is in that dir

as expected

[pliant nexus]

what did you run after being sure you are in the right dir

exactly what?

[brittle void]

after being sure that im in the right dir, i tried to execute the symlink

but its not working in cmd

[pliant nexus]

how exactly? what was the command?

[brittle void]

u mean the executable that im trying to link?

[pliant nexus]

what did you write in the terminal to run the symlink?

[brittle void]

just the name of the symlink

i even tried [name].exe

[pliant nexus]

give me the exact command, dont paraphrase please

[brittle void]

its chdman

[pliant nexus]

i'm sorry if i come of as rude

[brittle void]

no no its ok

[pliant nexus]

maybe try ./chdman?

[brittle void]

it says . is not a command

[pliant nexus]

you mabe have to invert the slash

[pliant nexus]

hmm

wait a sec

[brittle void]

with this, it says ,\chdman is not a command

[pliant nexus]

theres a comma there instead of .

[brittle void]

sry
but i did execute it with the dot though

i just typed incorrectly in here

[pliant nexus]

try the following cmd /K "[path to symlink]"

[pliant nexus]

add file extension to the path as well, if your symlink for some reason has one

or you could also try start chdman[and file extension here if necessary]

[brittle void]

same outout
its not even recognizing the symlink as an executable

ok nvm

i think im trying to solve this in the most complicated way

i could just make permanent aliases in pwsh, cmd, and bash

[pliant nexus]

perhaps

windows cmd is a pain

i can never go back to it from linux

[timid latch]

windows in general is a pain

[pliant nexus]

yea, but the terminal is especially painful, along with the ram usgae and the design choices

[brittle void]

i just decided to do this cuz my PATH list is getting bigger

[pliant nexus]

why is that issue?

[brittle void]

cuz i cant just shove every path of the executables into PATH
there's a limit for that

[pliant nexus]

one app looks likw windows 10 another like a webapp and anotther like it came from goddamn win xp

[pliant nexus]

i mean..... 👀

[thick ore]

b- but backwards compatibility

[pliant nexus]

i will blow up your favourite compainie's hq if you keep this up

[brittle void]

@thick ore whats the quiz about?

[thick ore]

i was gonna add some questions to the sir lancebot quiz game

[pliant nexus]

dont talk about quizes

[thick ore]

.quiz cs

[median dome]

Quiz game Starting!!

Each game consists of 7 questions.
Rules :
1: No cheating and have fun!
2: Points for each question reduces by 25 after 10s or after a hint. Total time is 30s per question
Category : cs

Question #1

What standard provides the basis for Wi-Fi networks?

[thick ore]

ummm

[median dome]

20s left!

[brittle void]

LAN

[thick ore]

802.11

[median dome]

@thick ore got the correct answer :tada: 75 points!

You got it! The correct answers are **`802.11, IEEE 802.11`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 6

Score Board

interrrp: 75

Question #2

Name a universal logic gate.

[thick ore]

and

[brittle void]

nand

[median dome]

@brittle void got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answers are **`NAND, NOR`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 5

Score Board

ghost.ops_: 100
interrrp: 75

Question #3

Why is a DDoS attack different from a DoS attack?
(A. because the victim's server was indefinitely disrupted from the amount of traffic, B. because it also attacks the victim's confidentiality, C. because the attack had political purposes behind it, D. because the traffic flooding the victim originated from many different sources)

[thick ore]

BRUH

D

[median dome]

@thick ore got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`D`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 4

Score Board

interrrp: 175
ghost.ops_: 100

[brittle void]

distributed

[pliant nexus]

if @drowsy rose hears of it he will torture us with more quizes and absurd typing speed

[median dome]

Question #4

What is an interpreter capable of interpreting itself called?

[thick ore]

turing complete

whaaat

[small coral]

metainterpreter

[median dome]

@small coral got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`metainterpreter`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 3

Score Board

interrrp: 175
ghost.ops_: 100
krowten024nabru: 100

[thick ore]

BRUH

[median dome]

Question #5

What does the 'B' in 'B-Tree' stand for?

[thick ore]

b

[median dome]

@thick ore got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

[small coral]

binary

[median dome]

You got it! The correct answers are **`Nothing, B, Unknown`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 2

Score Board

interrrp: 275
ghost.ops_: 100
krowten024nabru: 100

[pliant nexus]

noooo

[median dome]

Question #6

Given that January 1, 1970 is the starting epoch of time_t in c time, and that time_t is stored as a signed 32-bit integer, when will unix time roll over (year)?

[small coral]

okay

[pliant nexus]

not again

[small coral]

2063

no?

2036

[thick ore]

2083

[median dome]

20s left!

[small coral]

2038

[median dome]

@small coral got the correct answer :tada: 75 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`2038`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 1

Score Board

interrrp: 275
krowten024nabru: 175
ghost.ops_: 100

Question #7

What does HTML stand for?

[thick ore]

hypertext markup language

[median dome]

@thick ore got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`HyperText Markup Language`**

Remaining questions: 0

Score Board

interrrp: 375
krowten024nabru: 175
ghost.ops_: 100

[small coral]

hypertext markup language

[median dome]

The round has ended.

@thick ore Congratulations on winning this quiz game with a grand total of 375 points :tada:

[thick ore]

HA

[small coral]

brain hiccup =-='

[thick ore]

ril

[brittle void]

guys, im having long path issues
its not like windows is complaining about it, but its not looking good for my eyes, so i've decided to do smth to solve it
which way would be better here?
a. just leave it as it is
b. create a file that has a mapping of a name to the path of the executable, and create a startup script in .ps1, .bashrc, etc to have those aliases in every terminal

[jaunty wraith]

aliases can be set in the profile script. no need to make another script.

alternatively, move/copy the binaries to a single location and add that location to the shell's PATH

[pliant nexus]

this statement is pretty interesting 💀

[pliant nexus]

Instead all of my research had shown me nothing but enthusiastic support for a rematch To the general public, the problem with the Great War wasn't the senseless loss of human life and productive capital. The problem was that we'd lost.

[sly onyx]

death

[pliant nexus]

- is just a statistic
--by the General Public

[drowsy rose]

.quiz cs

[median dome]

Quiz game Starting!!

Each game consists of 7 questions.
Rules :
1: No cheating and have fun!
2: Points for each question reduces by 25 after 10s or after a hint. Total time is 30s per question
Category : cs

Question #1

On Linux systems, the fork system call returns what value in the parent process?

[drowsy rose]

pid

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answers are **`PID, child PID`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 6

Score Board

somehybrid: 100

Question #2

Name a universal logic gate.

[drowsy rose]

nand

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answers are **`NAND, NOR`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 5

Score Board

somehybrid: 200

Question #3

What are the components of digital devices that make up logic gates called?

[drowsy rose]

sup

[pliant nexus]

i dont think anybody is here rn

[drowsy rose]

transisto

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`transistors`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 4

Score Board

somehybrid: 300

Question #4

HTTP/3 is built on which Transport Layer Protocol?

[drowsy rose]

i have dogshit wifi

udp

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`UDP`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 3

Score Board

somehybrid: 400

Question #5

What kind of characters are needed in UTF-16 to encode unicode codepoints outside the BMP?

[drowsy rose]

u are

surrogate

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answers are **`surrogates, surrogate`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 2

Score Board

somehybrid: 500

Question #6

How many bits are in a TCP checksum header?

[drowsy rose]

16

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

[thick ore]

16

[median dome]

You got it! The correct answers are **`16, sixteen`**

Let's move to the next question.
Remaining questions: 1

Score Board

somehybrid: 600

Question #7

What does HTML stand for?

[drowsy rose]

int is

hypertext markup langu

[median dome]

@drowsy rose got the correct answer :tada: 100 points!

You got it! The correct answer is **`HyperText Markup Language`**

Remaining questions: 0

Score Board

somehybrid: 700

The round has ended.

@drowsy rose Congratulations on winning this quiz game with a grand total of 700 points :tada:

[pliant nexus]

i type slower than a monkey

[thick ore]

skibidi toilet 🚽 boiii

[drowsy rose]

what the sigma

[rough sapphire]

skibdi toilet...........gyatt

[soft violet]

Monkeys are actually pretty fast at tapping things.

[pliant nexus]

they are fast at tapping not typing

the error rate is probably 70%

[small coral]

but give them enough time and space and they can type out shakespeare

[pliant nexus]

"enough time", meaning they are slow

and bogo sort would proably be more effective

just apply bogosort on the entire alphabet and wait for shakespeare to be returned

[pliant nexus]

i wonder why space is needed though

[small coral]

they could fill up an indeterminate amount of space before completing the task

whether it be paper or digital storage

[pliant nexus]

ohh i didnnt get that you meant memory
I thought you meant physical space

i read in my school book that python uses the datatype char to store characters data. but whenever i type it out in the repl in gives me a error

i know they meant exactly char since it was syntax highlighted

they even mentioned that the char type in python is defferent from C's char type

[harsh tundra]

There was some kind of website where you have a "library" of randomly selected characters. That's not full random, of course, like any digital random, it's provably seeded and generated in certain manner - because there's search there, to find fragments that include text you want.
They were formatted as "books" and "pages" to see only part of the whole thing at once and easily reference it to other people... And also to look cute (it was actually displayed as open book on the website)

[small coral]

library of babel?

[harsh tundra]

Yep

[small coral]

what char type?

[harsh tundra]

Python doesn't have char type tho

[pliant nexus]

.

this char type

[small coral]

when you index a str, you get a str

[pliant nexus]

thats what i know

[small coral]

and there's no char

[pliant nexus]

but my book insists otherwise

[small coral]

when you index bytes/bytearray, you get int

that's a misinforming book if i've ever heard of one

[harsh tundra]

Maybe in C source you'd find something to store it, but it's not really in python code itself

And yes, python's string is not an array of char because it can store whole Unicode and the length per character is adjusted - if you store ascii-only text, each character will take single byte. If at least one character is 2-byte, then the whole string stores all characters as 2 bytes per character. Emoji in the string? 4 bytes per character, baby! It keeps the length uniform (even if the rest of characters are ascii, so 1-byte) so that we can index it fast

[pliant nexus]

theres a shit load of mistakes in this book,

• Calling "+=" the "increment operator" and that in can only be used to increment a variable by 1
• Saying that raw_input is included in python 3.7 and including it in execises
• Saying that tuples are constructed with parenthesis and not with commas
• Saying that charecter data is stored in the char data type
• Saying that C is outdated and OOP is inherently better than procedural
  And probably many more.....

i'm afraid of what i'm gonna do on theh exams

[small coral]

3rd point is true
5th point is semi true

[pliant nexus]

theres a chance my correct answers are gonna be cut because i didnt follow the book

[pliant nexus]

students dont need or want partially true staements in school books

[thick ore]

42,

[pliant nexus]

the 5th point depend on the programmer

[thick ore]

if the exams depend on what the book says, disregard everything we say regarding that when studying :P

[pliant nexus]

3rd poin isnt true as parenthesis are optional and only ","s form tuples

[harsh tundra]

3rd is true only for empty tuple, in any other case it's the comma that makes a tuple, see 1-element tuple

[small coral]

it was edited

[pliant nexus]

yea, its sad. I've been studyin python on my own for 3 years now. And now i've to write wrong answers to get marks in a exam

[small coral]

if the second clause was added when i answered i would've changed it

[pliant nexus]

i edited it after you mentioned it as clearly my 3rd point was unclear

[pliant nexus]

you would think that a school book would focus more on accuracy than whaever this is

[harsh tundra]

As for the "char", in C source wchar_t is used. But that's still in C source (it's a C type) and in no place char type is used to denote anything related directly to python strings.

[small coral]

in the C source it varies

that's the correct answer

[pliant nexus]

yea, thats what i was wondering. They syntax highlighted char so they obviously think its a python data type

[harsh tundra]

Wait, no, I lied... The struct itself, because of the varied bytes length, stores some stuff as char. But it's not really made to be visible "outside" as char

[young shoal]

example?

[small coral]

chr is a function char is a name

[harsh tundra]

I read the header and top of the c file first, but now I scrolled to the struct itself...

[harsh tundra]

They mean in the book they have to use for their class, look above for other weird shit in that book

[pliant nexus]

and also

But, char in Python is not the same as char un C or C++.
They obviously think char is a python type

[pliant nexus]

how would i send a example for that? let me descrbe it instead, the word "char" is highlighted blue by the book in text

[young shoal]

a screenshot, perhaps

[pliant nexus]

its a physical book

[thick ore]

picture

[pliant nexus]

and i'm on a laptop.
it will take some time to email it, wait a sec

let me get a pic

[harsh tundra]

@young shoal see here
The += thing seems like someone learned c basics and only used ++, didn't know += also exists in C...

[strange blade]

Can only?

What about x = x + 1?

oh wait hmm

misread

[young shoal]

I read that

[pliant nexus]

why isnt my email showing the pic i included

[thick ore]

did you seriously email yourself the pic

idk

[pliant nexus]

yea

[lament cairn]

not too uncommon

fuick wrong reply

[lament cairn]

not too uncommon

[small coral]

i've found that emailing yourself is an ineffective strategy to transfer an image

email others maybe

[lament cairn]

or put the image on google drive

and download it from there

[pliant nexus]

i got it @thick ore and @young shoal

i just learnt i cant upload jpgs for some reason

[pliant nexus]

i emailed it to my laptop email account from my mobile email account

[pliant nexus]

and theres the exact pic for char if anybody was interested

[small coral]

goodness me

that's just wrong

[acoustic moss]

what is a char in python 💀

[small coral]

partially not for python 2, but wrong for python 3

nvm

"all text" so it's wrong either way

[pliant nexus]

i'm really worried about the exams 💀 .
They will probably deduct points for correct answers since it would be different from the book

[pliant nexus]

its 3.7 in the book

[young shoal]

lol

[pliant nexus]

besides, its the one and only school textbook, it has to adhere to a certain level of quality

[small coral]

most unicode text is probably representable in 16-bit characters

but there's still 32-bit versions and also 8-bit ASCII

[pliant nexus]

so even the size of the hypothetical char is wrong 💀

[small coral]

for some cases yes

in fact

if the program never uses unicode

there's a simply high likelihood it doesn't use the hypothetical char

unless the python implementation is weird or something

[pliant nexus]

i'm dying of laughter 💀

did the writer never even use python???

[pliant nexus]

a datatype to contain a len 1 string, in a world where python used curly braces. What a nice dream

[small coral]

you're giving me ideas.

[pliant nexus]

a high level C?

[small coral]

https://github.com/thatbirdguythatuknownot/cpython4 already has curly braces in python

now the next thing to do is return char for a len 1 string

||(i'm not gonna do that it's too time consuming)||

[pliant nexus]

the writers are probaly gonna pay you a decent amount of money to justify their shitty text

[thick ore]

i think you can do that in Python tho

just use fishhook or smth

[small coral]

yea but that's not fast :<

[thick ore]

who cares about fast

[pliant nexus]

python isnt supposed to be

[thick ore]

everything must run in 500ms

[small coral]

this hurtss ><

[thick ore]

fine i'll do it myself

[sacred cove]

[quasi blaze]

Here’s how to construct an argument explained simply:

1. Make your claim

2. Provide your reasoning why you’re making that claim

3. Make a statement or statements that supports your claim

[strange blade]

If only debating was this easy

[thick ore]

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-conq-cope-meme-gif-14334455943902534054

[small coral]

ad hominem always eventually works

unless your opponent is a major pacifist

[quasi blaze]

Can someone provide me any resources for PowerBI training?

[noble atlas]

Microsoft learn..

[plucky ridge]

Mentioning doesn't technically count as providing

@quasi blaze https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/fundamentals/power-bi-overview This is probably as good as their is for now

[vale raven]

Power BI time?

[plush sun]

[plucky ridge]

Wait what was that N Sync song...
🎶 I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I want to see you out that door
Baby 🎶

Eh, I tried

[eternal depot]

@vale raven where do you put your fixed blade knife when you go swimming?

[plucky ridge]

A whole lot of clenching

[eternal depot]

Don't clench too hard though..

[plucky ridge]

Fires out like a speargun

[brazen ingot]

it doesn't have a lot of supports but its nice

what did you contribute in

combi?

[solemn tulip]

idk if I even contributed code, most of the authors were in the same discord server discussing impls and whatnot

[brazen ingot]

would you mind providing the link

updated my arch upstream rn 2 gigs

[solemn tulip]

to the discord server? it's kinda useless unless you are CM or higher on codeforces

most channels are gated on that

[brazen ingot]

what kind of server rule is that

but okay I do cp

[solemn tulip]

you register your user with the bot we wrote, you only have access to the bulk of channels if you're highly rated enough

[brazen ingot]

theres one server which only allows ioi delegates to avoid spammers yeah that is sensible

[solemn tulip]

it does filter out a lot of noisy beginner stuff

[brazen ingot]

ah great fair

[solemn tulip]

it was one of the more well known codeforces related server for a long time, though it's been kinda in decline since a lot of people driving things ended up doing other stuff (like working)

the TLE bot was one thing that made the server known I think

[young shoal]

they grew up 😭

[solemn tulip]

(a disturbing amount of people who were admins or worked on the bot ended up in the same place work-wise)

[young shoal]

not too surprising if you think about it

people tend to hire people like them

and if they were friends before

[solemn tulip]

yeah, it was just getting silly when it was a majority of the admins for a bit

[solemn tulip]

no, all people who met in the server

some of the people who joined the server really early on

[young shoal]

yeah I mean before working/hiring process

[solemn tulip]

oh

I mean yeah, but it's not like there was cross-referrals going on afaik

[young shoal]

plus rewards for referrals. I get like 300 for a hired referral

[solemn tulip]

I didn't even know some others were starting around the same time as me

[young shoal]

what if big companies scouted talent like sports teams

[solemn tulip]

||4500CHF||

[young shoal]

🥴

that's quite good

yk it should be a percentage of their salary

[fresh basalt]

You should get a referral bonus but your pay should be docked if that employee turns out to be a dud.

[solemn tulip]

pyramid scheme

[fresh basalt]

make people sweat

[solemn tulip]

stats are kept I think

so if you refer a lot of bad candidates your referrals will probably start getting ignored

and it's not in your interest to refer bad candidates anyway (unless you're doing something...shady)

I've had one successful referral I think

[young shoal]

you want your friend to give you a kickback

+4500

[jaunty wraith]

🦵🏼🔙

[young shoal]

though shouldn't the bonus depend on the position?

[solemn tulip]

so it's kinda funny, a group of people who liked to game together broke off into our own small server, the most regular group who plays is 4/5, and the 5th got rejected and did a phd instead

[jaunty wraith]

based

[solemn tulip]

ok, 4/6 is probably more fair

but still

[young shoal]

you know those discussions about how companies don't pay for open source and just use it for free

actually nevermind

[fresh basalt]

There are hidden costs.

[jaunty wraith]

no no, go on

[fresh basalt]

He accidentally closed the website he was reading from.

[young shoal]

I realized I should not expose my team

[compact lagoon]

did smalls tv act like monitors?

[jaunty wraith]

did your team sponsor some open source project?

[young shoal]

no

[fresh basalt]

They sabotaged OSS projects?

[jaunty wraith]

did your team reject your proposal to sponsor one?

[fresh basalt]

I knew you were a villain.

[young shoal]

yeah, they added malware

[jaunty wraith]

D:

[young shoal]

to bro

[jaunty wraith]

what's bro?

[young shoal]

bro

[wanton basin]

what coding moment could be perfectly explained by this video

[young shoal]

Google compression alg

brotli

[solemn tulip]

brotli

[jaunty wraith]

that looks like a small safety hazard

pub added malware to brotli?

[young shoal]

bro

[jaunty wraith]

who would've thought?

[fresh basalt]

https://pypi.org/project/bro/ ?

[young shoal]

bro

[solemn tulip]

how dare you add malware to a bun?

[fresh basalt]

Hey if psvm made code that works

[warped sentinel]

things would just be far more expensive than they are today

[fresh basalt]

@young shoal ⭐

Put that on your refrigerator.

[warped sentinel]

which would mean we would have a far lower growth and far less advances

[young shoal]

well yeah

free is free

[fresh basalt]

free is not always free

[solemn tulip]

I suspect the people know what this is referring to is like...zero

[warped sentinel]

nothing is free

[uneven pine]

Everything is free, now.

[solemn tulip]

brötli is swiss for small bread buns

[warped sentinel]

there is a cost to develop, maintain, deploy and keep up

[young shoal]

no such thing as free lunch software?

[fresh basalt]

https://tenor.com/bWDAd.gif

[solemn tulip]

why are memes using the ubuntu font?

[jaunty wraith]

why not?

[solemn tulip]

I'm confus

[young shoal]

I didn't even know there was an Ubuntu font

[fresh basalt]

What's a font? What year is it?

[solemn tulip]

https://design.ubuntu.com/font

[jaunty wraith]

it's 1984

[fresh basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVcNfiRWS6U

[solemn tulip]

see, I'm not crazy

[jaunty wraith]

sez u

[solemn tulip]

fonts matter 😔

[young shoal]

I've never used Ubuntu with a head

[jaunty wraith]

a what

[young shoal]

a head

[solemn tulip]

I did totally not pay $75 for a font that one time

https://berkeleygraphics.com/typefaces/berkeley-mono/ 🤤

[fresh basalt]

You paid the hipster price.

[jaunty wraith]

what funky language is that supposed to be?

[solemn tulip]

it's just showing symbols stuff off

I would be surprised if &| is valid operator in any sensible programming language

[jaunty wraith]

I think bash/zsh has |&

[fresh basalt]

The "I'm sitting in the coffee shop wearing my Vibram toe shoes and drinking a soy latte while complaining about the ubiquity of Helvetica" price

[solemn tulip]

I also said sensible 🙃

[jaunty wraith]

🗿

[fresh basalt]

says the person who paid $75 for a font

[solemn tulip]

can you deny it looking good though?

[fresh basalt]

Absolutely.

[solemn tulip]

😔

[young shoal]

just say how much it costs and I'll say how bad it looks

[fresh basalt]

it's fine though

[young shoal]

oh also my company does not publish the referral bonus amount

[fresh basalt]

It's made for people with the disposable income to spend on a $75 font.

[young shoal]

I mean it's basically just 15 more than a typical video game. and you're looking at it all the time

[solemn tulip]

if you spend hours a day looking at text...

it averages out pretty fast

[young shoal]

yeah. it's why IDEs are seemingly expensive but are quite cheap all things considered

[fresh basalt]

Yes, it's pretty average.

[solemn tulip]

who can say no to this at sign

[young shoal]

me

[jaunty wraith]

me too

[solemn tulip]

you monsters

[fresh basalt]

I'm using ibm-plex-mono-latin-700-normal.ttf

I like it

[solemn tulip]

also jj ||hipstery||

[jaunty wraith]

conform 👍🏼

[sacred cove]

[solemn tulip]

you know what's better than a switch case?

a switch case nested in a switch case

because yes

[floral viper]

I once wrote a nested piece of crap at work because I couldn't get itertools to work as I wanted, but when I went to bed I was so ridden with guilt that I had to wake up and rewrite the code

[hearty violet]

u got scammed, brother

[fresh basalt]

that means the conditioning worked

[floral viper]

It was one of the strangest feelings I have ever experienced. Like I couldn't face my colleagues with the garbage piece of shit code I just wrote.

[solemn tulip]

I wish some particular people at work felt this

[young shoal]

shame is a good improvement motivator

[warped sentinel]

something something PR reviews

[young shoal]

real

[tardy rain]

Nowadays you just ask chatgpt and feel superior when it cant figure out itertools stuff

[floral viper]

It is, but so is positive feedback

[jovial oriole]

Download speed reset hack

[vale raven]

@thick osprey
I'm struggling with architecture design...
I have a scheduled task to download records from a proprietary upstream and then upload them to my own application.
I've wrapped the proprietary crap in an HTTP API, so right now my scheduled task is literally:

data = httpx.get("https://upstream.com/get-data")
httpx.post("https://downstream.com/update-data", data=data)

I'm now being asked to also bring in multiple layers of related records, and I can't decide how to handle that.
Part of me wants to query the list of of IDs that need updating, and handle everything for a single record and it's relations all together, one at a time. Part of me wants to ingest the entire table(s) and then organize on the receiving end.
Business has listed a "would be nice to have" of having a button to update a single record [and it's relations], so I'll probably end up at least supporting the former, even if it doesn't end up being my primary method of ingestion.

So many little things spinning in my head....
Upstream doesn't support soft deletes, so... if I don't see a record again, I guess I just have to assume it's gone.
What if a relation disappears in the middle of the relational hierarchy? I know cascade deletes are supposed to be super simple, but I've never gotten them to work. (though I haven't tried in several years)

IDEK what to ask you for
I'd ask you for advice on my implementation, but I can't pick an implementation

[thick osprey]

It sounds like what you have, in function, is a cache. Instead of talking to the source directly, you are polling and filling your local copy for any operations. That's fine, but it comes with some of the tradeoffs for not working with live data.

You could design it so that you have your large, filled data from the scheduled polls. Asking to look at, or update, an individual record could just proxy to the source (update your cache on success as you come back).

From another view: Hold as much data from a scheduled poll as you can for reports. Mark on the reports how old the data is. Don't work updates through a cache. Go direct to the source for the live data displayed before, during, and after the update as safely as possible.

The rest rides on that upstream source. If you tell it to update a batch of entries and one of those entries doesn't exist, what happens? That would need to be handled by your API whether it's retry the request removing the failed item or pulling the batch to validate success (and update your cache).

Those are my initial thoughts, anyway. Dozens of ways around the path with these things.

[vale raven]

Yeah, I’m caching, with the idea of being able to support additional functionality that the current app doesn’t support.

Don’t work updates through a cache.
It’s not particularly feasible for me.
The MVP didn’t have a cache, it just always fetched live data.
One day I get a ticket — “I didn’t get my report”
Then I get an angry phone call from my boss — “user needs this data to be able to do their job!!”
Few minutes later I get an email from Sentry — “function regressed 25,000% from 30s to 17m” (made up numbers)
No code change, just time spent spinning waiting on the upstream to respond with the requested data
Bossman says “this is unacceptable!!! It MUST be faster!!”

Also taking the oppertunity to fix some absolutely GODAWFUL design
See this image: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464905259261755392/1222587259090505778/WX4IitH7Bx2dYGGJ.png?ex=6660961d&is=665f449d&hm=02d20a680bbb0741a8846990a4cf76c2339aefb0e53196517da88511df6787a3&
And this issue: impressdesigns/charlie#72
I'm blocked in multiple places just because I can't layer enough SQL to get the data I need to come out in the right order

[median dome]

GitHub

[charlie] #72 Filtering by production spec causes Cadence badges to not be seen

[thick osprey]

Reports from cache, that's a solvable challenge. Single or Batch updates, you don't want to work that through a cache.

Getting slightly stale data to the user in speedy time is great.

Reporting something is done when it actually takes much longer, not so much.

And at some point you do reach the "we move at the speed of the vendor".

[vale raven]

What happens when business says that the speed of the vendor isn’t good enough and tells you to figure it out?

[vale raven]

Reporting something is done when it actually takes much longer, not so much.
I’m failing to compute this sentence. Shouldn’t I always be behind on updates, because I’m waiting for the cache to be updated?

When will I have an update ahead of time?

[thick osprey]

User submits an update to 10 items.

Working through a cache:

• Take the request
• Update the cache / or stage the update in a new cache?
• perform the action
• record the result
• deliver the result

Working without a cache:

• Take the request
• perform the update
• deliver the result

If it takes 10 second, they wait ten seconds. If it takes 10 hours you deliver the success after 10 hours. Same result, but you don't have a cache to juggle at the start, middle, and end.

sigh

[vale raven]

I’m not following

Race condition?

If the user’s update gets fresher data than the cache update?

[eternal depot]

Slow doggos don't get the bone

[vale raven]

Sounds like I get to learn about etags

[eternal depot]

It was funnier before the edit

[thick osprey]

Meanwhile your scheduled polling job does it's thing.

standard disclaimer: I've never talked with your stakeholders or worked on your system.

[vale raven]

I think we’re on different pages.
The update is the caching.
I’m building a copy of the data, and then users are generating reports on demand from my copy of the data.

And then eventually I’ll be adding extra columns to my copy of the data.
So users will create records in the upstream, then wait for me to ingest them, then go to my app to fill in the rest of the data.

Updating my copy (the “cache”) is the only update that’s happening — during the batch job at least

[thick osprey]

So you report updates or additions as a pending status?

[vale raven]

I don’t have my own status

I just report the data as-is

[thick osprey]

Am I worried that you are reporting data that isn't represented in the source for no reason?

[vale raven]

Wdym?

[thick osprey]

The data you are keeping is from a proprietary upstream. Does it not need to return to that upstream?

[vale raven]

No

In fact it’s incapable

The one integration option that’s provided is read-only

[thick osprey]

Ah. Well I truly misunderstood.

You poll, fill your data store, then collect updates. Reports should be faster. But the next poll needs to reconcile as well? You mentioned a record could just be deleted upstream.

[vale raven]

Upstream has records
I take a copy of those records and stick them in my DB
Then the user requests a report, I generate it from my DB and send it via email

I’ll add extra columns in my DB to add additional data to the email
But this extra context just sits in my DB
It doesn’t go back upstream

[thick osprey]

I'm following now.

Thanks for walking my blind arse through it.

[vale raven]

Yea, reports are quite literally “25000%” faster (according to Sentry)
And yea, records, and their relationships, can spontaneously disappear, so I will have to continuously reconcile over time

[vale raven]

Thanks for teaching me how to explain

[thick osprey]

Would it be worth doing a soft delete on your side? Holding onto the stale record but not propagating it to a report normally?

Might simplify the relation cleanup, give you a report of "hey, where'd it go", and even make recovery possible. Just random thoughts.

[vale raven]

Yeah
That’s something I want to do

I don’t trust the upstream to clean up after itself correctly

[thick osprey]

Good choice. Never trust input, even if you wrote it yourself.

[vale raven]

You want a fun story about an amazing feat of development?

So… the upstream is 82 “low code” “apps”, each one complete with their entirely unique UI, DB, et all
Their names are prefixed by type
The apps starting with data_ are only used for their DB, the apps starting with int_ are “internal”, I’m assuming just business logic, the apps starting with ui_ are, well, UI
Then the frontend has a bunch of tabs, and each time you click on a different tab, you’re pulling UI from a different ui_ app.

So, you may be asking yourself, when you have 82 apps, how do you perform updates?
Well
They send you another low code app, and when you run it, it —

• makes a copy of the apps that need to be updated
• deletes the originals
• extracts the new updated ones
• iterates over each [updated] data_* app and copies the records from the backup app to the updated app, applying migrations along the way.

When I took over the IT work, updates hadn’t been applied for a couple years, so there were a few outstanding ones.
My boss said “MAKE VERY VERY SURE YOU APPLY THOSE IN ORDER”
Okay…. I mean, I planned on it. How else would you expect me to do them?
To which he said— “You don’t understand — when they first sent me updates, they didn’t specify that you had to apply each one in order, so I only applied the latest one, so I [missed a bunch of database migrations], and now all of our data is all fucked up and not even their support can fix it”

[thick osprey]

Sounds about right in the world of software engineering. smh

[vale raven]

My new app?
Each test runs up migrations, then builds the necessary fixtures, then runs the tests, and then runs down migrations.

I’m finally learning about tests, and I’m loving it

I can prove that moving shit around won’t break your instance

It’s great

[thick osprey]

I wish I could hire you. haha

[compact lagoon]

I wish I was good like you

[spare oriole]

this sounds like a major disaster to happen

[fresh basalt]

I'd look for another job asap.

That level of legacy stupidity isn't worth it IMO.

[next vessel]

...so that's why my cpu temps were reaching 95C

[lament cairn]

the

... hell?

[restive terrace]

that'd be so satisfying to clean tho ngl

[thick ore]

show cleanup video

[next vessel]

Cleanup was just me running it under water lol, no r/oddlysatisfying for you

[rough sapphire]

loll

[lament cairn]

I'm facing a weird issue. some specific features on a handful of apps don't work as they should in my network: uploading images on discord has a 5 min delay, images on twitter don't load, etc
i found out that using a vpn (proxy) fixed all the issues. the weird part is it didn't necessarily have to be an external proxy; i could host one on my home server and it would still fix the issues. these issues also only happen on mobile android, haven't seen it happen on my desktop
luckily one of the apps that broke is open source so i got to debug it. it's not DNS (yay!!), instead requests mysteriously hang for a long time with no response

i have tailscale installed on all my devices. i set up my homeserver as an exit node and tested the affected apps without the exit node (just dns and whatever else tailscale does) and with it. same as above; with the exit node on, the apps worked normally. does anyone have a clue what this could be?

I'm thinking my router is doing something weird - but then why would it treat phones, desktops and my server differently?

[fading frigate]

Bro is that your dryer lint rack

How the hell

[quasi blaze]

I am writing an online test and it requires me to get a 100 percent to pass 😞

[pliant nexus]

if x is a function, then x() is a function call, so if x was a class, what would x() be called?

[young shoal]

instantiation

[pliant nexus]

thanks

btw, does anybody know if there is a list of all the keybindings in nvchad?

i checked their doc but couldnt find it

and the config file mappings.lua didnt have all of them either

for example, pressing ctrl + n to open the file explorer was not listed there

[pliant nexus]

nvm

found <leader-C-H>

[next vessel]

Can you resubmit?

I had a class where all the assignments were like that, everything was out of 1 point and you had to have it meet the requirements set by the instructor, otherwise you'd keep working on it

[quasi blaze]

Yeah I have infinite tries

[lost skiff]

why is it called "pull request" and not "merge request"

please someone tell me

[graceful basin]

a pull is a fetch, followed by a merge

[thick osprey]

A pull isn't a merge. Two different actions.

[graceful basin]

you're asking the repo owner to fetch the commits from your remote, and merge them into their branch - which is a pull

[thick osprey]

A pull could include a rebase, which isn't a merge.

[lost skiff]

by pull request I mean the act of requesting a repository to merge their branch with my branch

[thick osprey]

The action (verb) is from the viewpoint of the upstream. They are pulling your changes in.

[graceful basin]

and ye, git workflows have changed, so you usually wouldn't merge a pull request

[lost skiff]

oo

[lost skiff]

you would need to merge if their branch had changes while you worked on your changes on that branch?

no?

which happens most of the times

[thick osprey]

You could merge, rebase, or even fast-forward

[graceful basin]

rebase would be the usual step these days, since it makes the entire history linear

which makes many operations easier

but for example at my workplace, we do use merges

[lost skiff]

is it possible to use other actions like rebase from github?

like what happens when you 'accept' a pull request in github

[graceful basin]

I believe there is a dropdown which merge, rebase, squash and rebase

the default is merge

unless you change it

[lost skiff]

ok thx for the info

def on_hear_rumour(person, rumour):
    person.tell_rumour(person.friend1, rumour)
    person.tell_rumour(person.friend2, rumour)

it's exponential growth

[pliant nexus]

thats a good example

[lost skiff]

the alpha rumour needs to tell more people so it would have better chances of spresding

[pliant nexus]

the aplha rumour spreader would have told a lot of his friends, so its pretty unlikely for all of them to say nothing

thats going to be the maximum saturation for the rumour

[lost skiff]

rumours spread on closed groups usually so it doesn't matter

it doesn't die down it will approach the amount of people in the closed griup

depends on the rumour

[meager sphinx]

@halcyon locust

[halcyon locust]

So i'm from india and im just starting like you prob know that session start b/w august or sep

[meager sphinx]

how old are you , what education are you pursuing ?

[halcyon locust]

and i really want guidance regarding that

[halcyon locust]

I just passed out my 12th grade

[halcyon locust]

cse

[meager sphinx]

so you will start pursuing your b.tech degree in CSE from this aug, correct ?

[halcyon locust]

ye

[meager sphinx]

what college did you opt for ? what about its placement records ?

is it a tier 1 , tier 2, tier 3 , tier 4 college ?

[halcyon locust]

that's what i haven't decided yet

[halcyon locust]

Is it possible if we can discuss all that in dms

I just don't prefer discussing here

[meager sphinx]

i dont need a college name if thats what you are worried about

just what tier is it

[halcyon locust]

nah

Like some of the ppl irl ik here and i don't prefer discussing in public

[meager sphinx]

i dont know what to say then 😅
as i said i am not really good at 1 on 1 talking , so i basically dont do DMs with pretty much anyone. (except in some cases obv)

there are other people in the server who are from india and would be happy to guide you , maybe you can ask them for guidance ?

[halcyon locust]

but rn i can't find any

[meager sphinx]

okay fine , lets go DMs
but remember i dont normally do this

[halcyon locust]

I really appreciated that dude

[uneven pine]

What are the best options these days for self-hosted LLMs, specifically chatGPT type stuff

[young shoal]

alpaca

[uneven pine]

Since I haven't been keeping up with the field so much, not even sure what exactly I'm looking for.

[solemn tulip]

self hosting anything decent is going to be hard

unless you have some really powerful hardware

[glossy niche]

model or tooling? ollama is pretty convinient for running stuff

[uneven pine]

Alpaca seems to have fairly reasonable recommend specifications. I've got a rig coming up with a 5800x, 64GB RAM and a GTX 1070 - I'm not looking to do any training so I'm fairly confident this will suffice.

[torn python]

I'm using Ollama. I haven't tried any other one yet. I've had nothing but great experience with Ollama.

[uneven pine]

I'm not looking for performance or exceptionally good results. Just something chatgpt-like I can run locally so my expectations are pretty tempered

I'll look into Ollama as well

[quasi blaze]

Dammit. I ended up using a word as a verb when it should be used as noun

Parts of speech should be one or the other. It simplifies things

[young shoal]

embrace noun verbification

[lime root]

Yeah, go and verb all the nouns!

[fresh basalt]

Stay the hell away from my nouns.

[thick osprey]

You've been nouned

[lime root]

Pronouned!

[young shoal]

oh like "part of speech" and "part ways"?

[fresh basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/notouching-arresteddevelopment-gif-8163704