"Neither is it lightweight", oh dear
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
gritty zinc
fringe rain
well it does say modern
young shoal
just what I needed
fringe rain
its rofi
pliant nexus
rofi works on wayland? thats news tto me
fringe rain
works great
pliant nexus
works great
nice to know
hey
do you know of a way to change the default terminal rofi uses to open stuff like nvim and btop?
pliant nexus
thanks
currently in wofi even after i set the default terminal, it tries to open konsole wich i dont have
so had to symlink konsole to kitty
its pretty bad workaround 💀
craggy crypt
it has a --term no?
pliant nexus
it does
but even after setting it to kitty
it just ignores me
since i'm running in in drun mode
craggy crypt
oh
soft violet
@strong spire It's a suggestion I've made. Like, when it would otherwise be the default.
But I'm not holding my breath.
strong spire
<@380762577921376257> It's a suggestion I've made. Like, when it would otherwise...
Honestly I think it should be default 🙏
soft violet
I think it's fine as it is.
quasi blaze
What are the best Nike shoes to buy?
thick osprey
What are the best Nike shoes to buy?
What makes a shoe the best for you? For me, it's a shoe that fits and not much else.
quasi blaze
What makes a shoe the best for you? For me, it's a shoe that fits and not much e...
The design and style
thick osprey
What makes a shoe the best for you? For me, it's a shoe that fits and not much e...
If we go with recent sale prices and an indicator then Nike SB Dunk Low White Lobster (Friends and Family).
If we go with popularity from a trading site then Nike SB Dunk Low Pro J-Pack Chicago is currently "the best"
fresh basalt
What are the best Nike shoes to buy?
You should ask the kids who work in the shops that make them.
young shoal
imagine actually saying that
i don't have to 😎 i did say it
meager stratus
You should ask the kids who work in the shops that make them.
bing chilling
thick osprey
The design and style
You could go with popular vote: https://stockx.com/brands/nike?gender=men&sort=most-active
quasi blaze
You could go with popular vote: <https://stockx.com/brands/nike?gender=men&sort=...
That’s an ad populum fallacy
meager stratus
i don't have to 😎 i did say it
enjoy being stuffed by ads and paying for an operating system then.
thick osprey
That’s an ad populum fallacy
And?
meager stratus
I had to make food. So I woke up.
fresh basalt
bing chilling
what?
young shoal
That’s an ad populum fallacy
no, it's not
meager stratus
Goodnight.
fresh basalt
psvm enjoys being a cog
quasi blaze
And?
And that’s a failure in reasoning. Picking a shoe based on the most popular but not how the style and the design of the shoes look
thick osprey
And that’s a failure in reasoning. Picking a shoe based on the most popular but ...
Okay. Well, I tried to help. Have fun.
meager stratus
Take care and uhm.
Don't worry if you can't solve problems.
I can sometimes be unable to solve them too.
Sometimes I can only do 7 out of 10 or sometimes 8. But it's fine.
Because earlier I could do 0/10 and I call that an improvement.
Just keep solving problems with consistency, and you'll be a great mathematician.
May the Force be with you.
young shoal
keezy, you need to just stop regurgitating definitions and actually understand the nuance
quasi blaze
Okay. Well, I tried to help. Have fun.
I appreciate your help though
thick osprey
I appreciate your help though
Doesn't sound like you do. I'll avoid bothering you with it in the near future.
young shoal
🗿
fresh basalt
It's got the same kind of energy as a kid who finds some text online like the Book of Five Rings or some text on Bushido and vows to apply it to their lives.
young shoal
real
fresh basalt
How many of you wear Naruto headbands in your day-to-day?
quasi blaze
keezy, you need to just stop regurgitating definitions and actually understand t...
Explain why it’s logical to select an item out of a bunch due to it being the most popular voted
fresh basalt
man
young shoal
Explain why it’s logical to select an item out of a bunch due to it being the mo...
you've lost the nuance of the situation
fresh basalt
and the plot
meager stratus
Good luck
tardy rain
Style and design are subjective anyway, whats the point of asking others about it
fresh basalt
Some people want stuff because it's popular. I don't but who am I to judge?
That's the fashion industry.
tardy rain
I guess
young shoal
Some people *want* stuff because it's popular. I don't but who am I to judge?
um, that's an ad populum fallacy
fresh basalt
So.
tardy rain
Whats the best colour
young shoal
Whats the best colour
pink 📈
tardy rain
Youre wrong its blue
lament cairn
purple
young shoal
it is what it is
quasi blaze
$150 CAD for Nike Shoes 😭
fresh basalt
that's cheap
tardy rain
Canadian bucks arent a real thing
tardy rain
.wa short 150CAD to USD
median domeBOT
thick osprey
Considering the first pair I mentioned last went for 25,000 USD; I'd say 150 CAD is a decent price. 
lament cairn
mikey shoes
tardy rain
My gfs hokas were £150
fresh basalt
it is what it is
That's a weird turn of phrase.
young shoal
it is what it is
fresh basalt
Tautology for one.
quasi blaze
Bought new drip
brazen ingot
adidas much better but okay i like green
fervent furnace
Bought new drip
Looks girly
fervent furnace
adidas much better but okay i like green
Where is green?
brazen ingot
the logo and the sole
fervent furnace
It looks green to you?
brazen ingot
it does yeah
fervent furnace
One of us is color blind
edgy crest
looks cyan-y
open fern
.color #b2d8d8
median domeBOT
open fern
It looks somewhat similar to this IMO
quasi blaze
.color #b2d8d8
You really used paint to swab the colour of my shoe? 💀
open fern
nah, I eyeballed it
brazen ingot
yo this ot name actually says what I was doing few moments ago
tardy rain
White shoes are always a mistake
You picked wrong keezy, is there a fallacy against fashion?
spice helm
i wear my sunglasses at night so i can so i can watch you wesve and breathe your story lines 🎵
glossy niche
Bought new drip
this is the kinda posting we need you to be doing
young shoal
White shoes are always a mistake
skill issue
fresh basalt
skill issue
Not everybody walks on water like you.
young shoal
Not everybody walks on water like you.
why not? maybe they need to learn some logical fallacies
quasi blaze
why not? maybe they need to learn some logical fallacies
I am glad you said this!
Logical Fallacy of the night: Accident Fallacy
(also known as: destroying the exception)
It’s when you apply a rule to all situations when they are exceptions.
Logical Form:
X is a common and accepted rule.
Therefore, there are no exceptions to X.
Example #1:
I believe one should never deliberately hurt another person, that’s why I can never be a surgeon.
Don’t form your arguments like this.
young shoal
that was a joke
timid latch
I am glad you said this!
Logical Fallacy of the night: Accident Fallacy
(also ...
if they are hurting while you perform surgery then yes you shouldn't be a surgeon, where tf is the anaesthesia
pliant nexus
if they are hurting while you perform surgery then yes you shouldn't be a surgeo...
in my nose
fresh basalt
if they are hurting while you perform surgery then yes you shouldn't be a surgeo...
People are spoiled with anesthesia. Surgery used to not be performed with anesthesia.
Surgeons had to be quick.
young shoal
People are spoiled with anesthesia. Surgery used to not be performed with anesth...
when did they stop
fresh basalt
When they discovered ether.
young shoal
nevermind
fresh basalt
I accidentally a word.
pliant nexus
I accidentally a word.
pliant nexus
For your edification, young person.
doesnt change the fact that you kliled godzila with that missing verb
you are a hero
fresh basalt
Godzilla is fictional. Like the Easter Bunny.
pliant nexus
Godzilla is fictional. Like the Easter Bunny.
and the queen of england 💀
pliant nexus
1 + 1
wrong, its 11
those were strings
its not binary
it cant be
binary deez nutz
no
why
this' not anime, happy?
here, theres a story
just read british novels?
thte romance ones?
because those are good
better
my colonised subject powers informed me that my master was here
so i knew
do you like being the master now 💀
using that word was a mistake
a massive one
oh o
oh no
how did a brit become a not-master?
thats impossible
smash
wait ni
no
i meant Hulk Smash
hey the name of the channel matches #ot1-perplexing-regexing
the only weird thing is that i dont think that the scots are as depressed as the southern scots
and the eastern irish
and the northern french
why are you happy about that btw?
💀
you dont know what the southern scots are?
everyone knows who they are
is that a joke? /s
phew
i thought i said something not politically correct
brits
pliant nexus
and the eastern irish
brits
pliant nexus
and the northern french
and brits
yeah
nice
make sure to click a pic of the win xp nation
it looks like a default wallpaper
i meant that scotland kinda looks like the win xp background
due to its open fields
and rolling hills
i havent even been out of my state/province
dying?
oh
that would be horrific
that would be horrific
instant skin cancer
pliant nexus
instant skin cancer
.
alright, it would be like limbo then
no change, absolute eternity
thats also horrifying
vegeta?
thick osprey
vegimite
thick osprey
Still not as salty as Vegeta though.
pliant nexus
Still not as salty as Vegeta though.
i read that as "still not as tasty as Vegeta though"
is it your appendix?
not as disgusting as this face, i presume?
wth
although, nowadays job promotions depend on how good of a vaccume you can make inside your mouth
so i dont blame you
you sentence was worded pretty badly 💀
i have a better dad joke
==
"well, that sucks"
"girl"? what made you think that?
not really
what rule?
usiing java?
sure, go ahead
i'm curious
you!!!
how could you?!?!
the revolution will not spare you
the 4th international will make sure to give you appropriate punishment
being this
btw, whats the time where you are?
why are you awake 💀 ?
its 9:30 am here
told you i have colonised powers
i'm from the crown jewel colony of the former empire
they dont teach you what's the crown jewel colony there?
?
what 1 in 8?
oh
yeah
its very overpopulated
a nice controlled war could fix that
anyway, bye
gotta bathe now
can you fly across the glob in 5 mins?
sure
make sure to bring your own bath toys
that sentence sound wrong 💀
gotta go, bye
snow epoch
being this
bro wat
grave cove
real
pliant nexus
it took me 3+hours to bathe 💀
fringe rain
share my pain
pliant nexus
jaunty wraith
share my pain
:(
worldly ice
📉
pliant nexus
share my pain
brought more tears to my eyes than ssniperwolf's apology
grave cove
truly a helldivers moment
pliant nexus
helldivers truly is cinematic
marble bay
brought more tears to my eyes than ssniperwolf's apology
That's a low bar innit
pliant nexus
That's a low bar innit
higher than my height probably
compared to the west at least
pliant nexus
That's a low bar innit
would that be higher or lower than logan paul's apology though?
pliant nexus
guys, things are getting crazy in India 😭
the ruling party spreads nationalist propaganda through whatsapp
using copypastas
so that they dont have to directly spread it
lament cairn
bruh
pliant nexus
I literally just got one now claiming how india's been a superpower since the ruling party came into power
And how India is the "Vishaguru"
Visha == World
Guru == Master/Teacher (They meant master here)
They literally are claiming India is the "Master of the world"
The PM literally has a massive cult of personality 😭. The President is a nominal executive in our constituion since he has no actual power and is forced to listed to the PM
pliant nexus
They literally are claiming India is the **"Master of the world"**
I'm getting some very bad flashbacks
soft violet
Well it does seem as if the hot air balloon business has been in decline, perhaps we now know why.
pliant nexus
Well it does seem as if the hot air balloon business has been in decline, perhap...
?
lament cairn
pliant nexus
Whats LGBTQ? a new protocol?
thick ore
$ ufw allow lgbtq
soft violet
I feel as though there's some joke to be made, there.
pliant nexus
I feel as though there's some joke to be made, there.
Well it does seem as if the hot air balloon business has been in decline, perhaps we now know why.
will that ever be explained?
soft violet
> Well it does seem as if the hot air balloon business has been in decline, perh...
How can you tell when a politician is lying?
||When they're moving their lips.||
Consequently, it's the ventriloquist politicians you've got to look out for.
pliant nexus
||When they're moving their lips.||
for some revolution
soft violet
Politicians are said to be full of hot air, i.e. bluster and empty promises.
It is perhaps a slightly dated idiom.
pliant nexus
yeah, i got that
pliant nexus
It is perhaps a slightly dated idiom.
i dont really know that many idioms since english isnt my first language
acoustic moss
I literally just got one now claiming how india's been a superpower since the ru...
it's only gonna get worse 😩
pliant nexus
it's only gonna get worse 😩
its, gonna turn into china any day now
soft violet
Reagan.
acoustic moss
exit polls look terrible too
pliant nexus
the most scary decision i think the goverment could take in a few years is turning India into a one party system
pliant nexus
exit polls look terrible too
yeah
meager stratus
the most scary decision i think the goverment could take in a few years is turni...
like putin?
and china?
meager stratus
damn
pliant nexus
they have the support
meager stratus
Why do Indians vote for them then?
Do they do it on purpose?
Like a fetish or something?
jaunty wraith
the most scary decision i think the goverment could take in a few years is turni...
one party system is a weird way of saying dictatorship
pliant nexus
Why do Indians vote for them then?
they capitalise on nationalism
they have declared hinduism as the most importent ideology
meager stratus
What's that
pliant nexus
they capitalise on the hate for islam
meager stratus
Whaaa
pliant nexus
What's that
the most popular religion in india
meager stratus
they capitalise on the hate for islam
That is kinda weird
pliant nexus
they recently send a bunch of 1st, 2nd and even 3rd sometimes bangladeshi migrents over the border
backk to bangladesh
from west bengal
jaunty wraith
That is kinda weird
it's done all over the world atp
jaunty wraith
what
pliant nexus
but wasn't bangladesh
formerly a part of india
meager stratus
by some terrorist organisation?
pliant nexus
by some terrorist organisation?
no>
jaunty wraith
what
pliant nexus
no?
acoustic moss
are you thinking of afghanisthan
pliant nexus
yea
acoustic moss
bruh
jaunty wraith
meager stratus
https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057
Minor, indeed.
pliant nexus
There is region named Bengal (It was a kingdom in the past), the british gave the West of it to between India and then formed East Bengal with the rest
which was a part of pakistan
pliant nexus
history boring
Most people here believve Bangladesh to be a traitor
meager stratus
let's cook!
food ofc
meager stratus
noooo
pliant nexus
yess
meager stratus
Most people here believve Bangladesh to be a traitor
Frankly I could care less.
pliant nexus
oh well
pliant nexus
It's like my third time hearing about that country
they have more pop than russia
jaunty wraith
Frankly I could care less.
did you mean couldn't care less?
meager stratus
did you mean *couldn't* care less?
pliant nexus
https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-26988716
gifs dont really load for me 💀
meager stratus
gifs dont really load for me 💀
are you on a metered connection or something
pliant nexus
pliant nexus
are you on a metered connection or something
no
meager stratus
woah
meager stratus
even my own pic doesnt load
holy moly
jaunty wraith
wack
meager stratus
is your ISP scamming you or something
pliant nexus
its like 2mbps right now
pliant nexus
is your ISP scamming you or something
yah, but its india. Every isp is like this
jaunty wraith
that's low
pliant nexus
so couldnt care less
meager stratus
yah, but its india. Every isp is like this
woah
pliant nexus
that's low
its usually at like 500kbps
jaunty wraith
I'm getting 170 Mbps rn
pliant nexus
india's still developing, so that much is expected
pliant nexus
even tho i have a shitty ISP
thats god like here in my region
meager stratus
thats god like here in my region
But isn't India like the IT hub or something
pliant nexus
But isn't India like the IT hub or something
the south is
jaunty wraith
thats god like here in my region
do you not live in a metro city?
pliant nexus
do you not live in a metro city?
i live in a city, just not a massive one
its medium
jaunty wraith
a suburb?
pliant nexus
a suburb?
no way
The buildings are more packed together than if you stuffed all the greeks in the parliment building
meager stratus
are you eating this right now
pliant nexus
are you eating this right now
doesnt even load, soooo..... dont know
acoustic moss
lmao
acoustic moss
not a a number
jaunty wraith
The buildings are more packed together than if you stuffed all the greeks in the...
I know I know
meager stratus
seems to some kind of bread
pliant nexus
it says naan
nah
acoustic moss
idk what that is
it is a well-liked flatbread with a chewy texture
pliant nexus
seems to some kind of bread
it is
acoustic moss
keep up
jaunty wraith
NaN
meager stratus
NaN
meager stratus
Woah
pliant nexus
both are good though
pliant nexus
I once had that in here.
where are you from?
meager stratus
where are you from?
Jupiter.
jaunty wraith
sounds gassy
meager stratus
It is.
meager stratus
No idea why I exist here.
young shoal
have you been to the big storm thing
meager stratus
The whole thing spins so god damn fast
pliant nexus
No idea why I exist here.
so that you get crushed by the gravity?
jaunty wraith
jupiter spins slower than earth, wdym?
meager stratus
and there's a freaking storm raging here for like a thousand years
pliant nexus
have you been to the big storm thing
its not a storm, its a bleeding wound
analog reference
meager stratus
so that you get crushed by the gravity?
oh no I am a Saiyan
meager stratus
jupiter spins slower than earth, wdym?
it spins faster
jaunty wraith
nah
acoustic moss
.wa s jupiter rotation speed
jaunty wraith
.wa s earth and jupiter rotation speed
acoustic moss
great
jaunty wraith
get confused
acoustic moss
now which is which
meager stratus
the day is 10 hours long!
jaunty wraith
.wa s jupiter rotation speed - earth rotation speed
median domeBOT
jaunty wraith
thanks
acoustic moss
👍
meager stratus
how do you even get rotation speed
jaunty wraith
so it's faster
meager stratus
shouldn't it be rotations per second or something
jaunty wraith
that'd be a very small number
acoustic moss
assume its the velocity of the surface
meager stratus
or rotations per hour
jaunty wraith
yeah
acoustic moss
radius * angular speed
meager stratus
assume its the velocity of the surface
but it's a sphere
jaunty wraith
.wiki planet rotation speed calculation
median domeBOT
jaunty wraith
thanks
meager stratus
you need the measurement in degrees per second
this guy right here is a stalker.
comes in when the conversation gets interesting
then disappears
jaunty wraith
that's not what a stalker is
meager stratus
whatever
young shoal
lurking
meager stratus
never been stalked before
meager stratus
except for that incident back in 2000
holy moly
one search about india
and this is in my recommendations now
pliant nexus
and this is in my recommendations now
nice
meager stratus
How is this thought provoking?
meager stratus
you should visit us
nahh man, you guys worship cows
and uhm
we
kinda don't.
you know.
pliant nexus
nahh man, you guys worship cows
we dont, we just dont eat them
jaunty wraith
we also sell beef, so there's that
pliant nexus
nahh man, you guys worship cows
cows are a menace to traffic
meager stratus
we also sell beef, so there's that
wait wha
pliant nexus
they shit everywhere on the road
pliant nexus
we also sell beef, so there's that
i'm glad
meager stratus
you kill and sell the thing you worship?
pliant nexus
they need some pop control
pliant nexus
you kill and sell the thing you worship?
we dont worship cows
meager stratus
what in the name of lord.
pliant nexus
only a very specific fictional cow
meager stratus
whaaaaa
pliant nexus
never mind I'm never coming to India.
please come, we have good food
pliant nexus
It's like a horror
the traffic is
jaunty wraith
wrong angel
pliant nexus
nice gif, too bad i cant see it
jaunty wraith
Satan was also an angel
meager stratus
Satan was also an angel
so is Lucifer.
pliant nexus
so is Lucifer.
lucifer is satan?
no?
anyway, i dont get what you guys are freaking out about
meager stratus
it's complicated
pliant nexus
please come, we have good food
i only mentioned good food
jaunty wraith
.wa s lucifer = satan?
median domeBOT
jaunty wraith
classic
meager stratus
hahahah
meager stratus
what
pliant nexus
and posto
jaunty wraith
and *posto*
isn't that Italian?
meager stratus
also isn't that pasta
meager stratus
ehh
meager stratus
what are those cubes
jaunty wraith
potat
meager stratus
and those leaves
pliant nexus
what are those cubes
paneer
jaunty wraith
coriander
meager stratus
are you guys herbivores?
pliant nexus
and those leaves
who knows
pliant nexus
are you guys herbivores?
nah
jaunty wraith
I thought you meant aloo posto
pliant nexus
i eat egg
pliant nexus
I thought you meant aloo posto
posto is a ingrediant, aloo posto is a dish
made from posto
you can make a lot more
jaunty wraith
pliant nexus
are you guys herbivores?
there are a lot of vegeterians here though
jaunty wraith
this is what the search gave me
pliant nexus
the rulling party supports vegetarianism
meager stratus
https://www.vegrecipesofindia.com/aloo-posto-recipe/
that looks a lot like
uhm
never mind
if i say it i get banned
jaunty wraith
what
pliant nexus
cum to us
jaunty wraith
wrong spelling
strange blade
No
pliant nexus
fun fact: even though posto is one of the most popular ingrediants in bengal, its also the seed for opium
strange blade
Please remember some people are underage. Including me.
pliant nexus
opium seeds == posto
lament cairn
pithink
jaunty wraith
poppy seeds
pliant nexus
pliant nexus
poppy seeds
they arent addictive btw
so they are okay to eat
they are expensive though
terse skiff
guys we ballin
quasi blaze
Logical fallacy of the day: “Argument from incredulity”
It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.
It can take in the form of:
I cannot imagine how F could be true; therefore F must be false.
I cannot imagine how F could be false; therefore F must be true.
Real-life Examples:
“There is just no way that the concept of evolution is right; it just doesn’t make any sense to me. Creationism is a much better explanation of how we came to be.”
“I can't imagine how humans could have evolved from single-celled organisms; it just doesn't make sense to me. There is no way that the theory of evolution is right.”
Just because you can’t believe nor imagine X to be true, doesn’t mean that it’s false and vice-versa. That’s why it’s a fallacy.
pliant nexus
Logical fallacy of the day: “Argument from incredulity”
It asserts that a propo...
if the propsal is just actually absurd, would the replier arguing against it be still under this fallacy?
soft violet
There's just no way people are going to give me large sums of money. It just doesn't make sense to me.
pliant nexus
there's no way lambda is useful, it just doesnt make sesce to me
soft violet
Useful, yes. Superfluous, also yes.
quasi blaze
if the propsal is just actually absurd, would the replier arguing against it be ...
Context matters but yes
uneven pine
Keezy moment
young shoal
Logical fallacy of the day: “Argument from incredulity”
It asserts that a propo...
you should do this but for Python facts, it'd be a lot more appropriate
quasi blaze
Keezy moment
How?
vocal oyster
simply
quasi blaze
you should do this but for Python facts, it'd be a lot more appropriate
I don’t know what you mean. I’m going to need an example
young shoal
quasi blaze
Logical fallacy of the day: “Argument from incredulity”
It asserts that a propo...
Why are people responding with a the thinking emoji?
young shoal
just the same thing you're doing, but with python instead of logical fallacies
quasi blaze
just the same thing you're doing, but with python instead of logical fallacies
Oh you mean programming fundamentals?
young shoal
well, doesn't need to be fundamentals
those are boring
(that's why people have reacted negatively to your fallacyposting, probably)
quasi blaze
(that's why people have reacted negatively to your fallacyposting, probably)
Is the argument from incredulity fallacy hard to understand?
young shoal
no
quasi blaze
I don’t get why they reacted with the thinking emoji
wicked haven
(that's why people have reacted negatively to your fallacyposting, probably)
It's in OT and I am enjoying reading these
young shoal
🗿
quasi blaze
it's unique
What emotion are you conveying when you are posting that emoji?
young shoal
it's too in depth to explain over discord
grave cove
I don’t get the moyai emoji
have you never felt like 🗿
🗿 is not only an emotion, but a state of mind and being
young shoal
do you ever feel
compact lagoon
why did you guys hate chatgpt
young shoal
like a plastic 🗿
grave cove
sometimes
young shoal
drifting through the wind
wanting to start again
fresh basalt
drifting through the wind
wanting to start again
thick osprey
why did you guys hate chatgpt
Do we hate it?
compact lagoon
I think so
thick osprey
Could you be confusing other reactions to it with hate?
I can't speak for anyone else but it's really not even worth a strong dislike from me, much less hate.
vocal oyster
I think what they're misinterpreting is people not liking everything being done via chatgpt
quasi blaze
Logical Fallacy of the afternoon (EST): “Appeal to Faith”
It is the assertion that one must have (the right kind of) faith in order to understand the argument.
Logical form:
X is true.
If you have faith, you will see that. ```
Example:
Person A: "I don't believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. There is overwhelming scientific evidence showing that the Earth is billions of years old."
Person B: "You just have to have faith that the Earth is 6,000 years old. The Bible says it, and that's all the proof you need."
Just because you have faith, doesn’t mean that X is true. It’s a logical fallacy.i see are tacitly rejecting the proposal to do this for python
glossy niche
i see are tacitly rejecting the proposal to do this for python
post hoc fallacy
vocal oyster
post keezy fallacy
uneven pine
Keezy moment
Tries to iamverysmart post then doesn't understand that nobody cares because nobody asked
quasi blaze
It's in OT and I am enjoying reading these
@uneven pine not sure what you’re talking about. This person says their enjoying it.
wicked haven
I did say that.
compact lagoon
tardy rain
that sounds like a skill issue to me
civic pasture
HI @pulsar heart
small coral
"If pigs fly, then cars are driven."
civic pasture
UwU
grave cove
you can't assume anything about Q if P is false, though
quasi blaze
Logical fallacy of the evening (EST): “Affirming a Disjunct”
Also known as: the fallacy of the alternative disjunct.
Making the false assumption that when presented with an either/or possibility, that if one of the options is true that the other one must be false.
Logical forms
Logical Forms:
P or Q.
P.
Therefore, not Q.
Example:
I am going to bed or watching TV. I am exhausted, so I will go to bed; therefore, I cannot watch TV.
bro is a logician
but also why are you posting this, isn't this like discrete math unit #1
young shoal
why keep posting basics when there is more interesting stuff to post about
grave cove
real
quasi blaze
It’s physically possible to be in bed and watch TV. That’s why it’s a logical fallacy
grave cove
yeah isn't that obvious
quasi blaze
why keep posting basics when there is more interesting stuff to post about
You want me to post advanced logical fallacies then?
young shoal
You want me to post advanced logical fallacies then?
sure
preferably advanced Python
quasi blaze
I think it’s easy to understand these logical fallacies because we are all programmers so we structure logical decisions in our code.
grave cove
yeah i liked discrete math class too
young shoal
it's easy to understand because it's easy
quasi blaze
it's easy to understand because it's easy
That sentence is redundant.
You could have removed the “because it’s easy.” from your sentence
young shoal
yet it conveyed a rhetorical message that was easily understood because of it's structure
not everything is about logic
civic pasture
o.O
grave cove
we did some combinatorics too
civic pasture
Discrete Math is important for DSA
grave cove
don't know if i liked that unit much
quasi blaze
not everything is about logic
What makes you state such a claim?
young shoal
What makes you state such a claim?
search within yourself and you will find it to be true
quasi blaze
search within yourself and you will find it to be true
I’m not going to provide evidence for you
civic pasture
don't know if i liked that unit much
Robin your avatar looks similar to mine
grave cove
real
quasi blaze
You made a claim and you didn’t say anything that supports your argument
young shoal
I’m not going to provide evidence for you
i don't need you to, I believe the claim already
grave cove
I’m not going to provide evidence for you
how are you gonna prove that everything is logic
civic pasture
yours is a birb and mine is pokemon
grave cove
i took a cool bird picture the other day, ill probably change my pfp to that
civic pasture
oh?
grave cove
i need to get it off the camera first though
grave cove
canadian jay
civic pasture
oh neat
quasi blaze
i don't need you to, I believe the claim already
Just because you believe it, doesn’t mean it’s true. That’s a argument from incredulity fallacy.
young shoal
canadian jay
where 🦅
young shoal
Just because you believe it, doesn’t mean it’s true. That’s a argument from incr...
I'm not arguing, I'm telling
grave cove
it would've been more fitting to get a picture of a robin
young shoal
godel ?
civic pasture
model?
quasi blaze
I'm not arguing, I'm telling
Your line of reasoning is fallacious which is my point.
grave cove
Your line of reasoning is fallacious which is my point.
logic, like much of math, is but a construct of the mind that only sometimes reflects reality
quasi blaze
“I believe X, therefore it’s true.” That’s a logical fallacy
grave cove
you cannot so easily reduce everything down to logic
young shoal
“I believe X, therefore it’s true.” That’s a logical fallacy
i never held this line of reasoning. you have confirmation bias
quasi blaze
i never held this line of reasoning. you have confirmation bias
You told me the claim that not everything is logic. You don’t want to make a statement that supports your claim because you believe it to be true.
young shoal
i never said such thing
quasi blaze
i never said such thing
How did I not steelman your position correctly?
small coral
I’m not going to provide evidence for you
burden of proof fallacy
grave cove
proof is left as an excercise for the reader
young shoal
How did I not steelman your position correctly?
search within yourself and you will find the answer
quasi blaze
search within yourself and you will find the answer
Again, I am not going to make your argument for you
young shoal
Again, I am not going to make your argument for you
did i ask though
grave cove
based
quasi blaze
did i ask though
That’s basically what you’re doing lol
young shoal
when?
quasi blaze
“Search within yourself”
young shoal
what about it?
civic pasture
whats going on here
quasi blaze
I want to hear the answer from you. Not from me
civic pasture
o.O
warped sentinel
what are yall searching?
civic pasture
omg what happened to your avatar @warped sentinel
warped sentinel
omg what happened to your avatar <@605238396339879956>
they change with the season
civic pasture
noooo
small coral
whats going on here
"is everything logic?" argument
civic pasture
I want the old one back
young shoal
I want to hear the answer from you. Not from me
this proof is left to the reader
warped sentinel
I want the old one back
I like this one
quasi blaze
what are yall searching?
He made the claim that not everything is based on logic but he didn’t say anything that supported that claim
civic pasture
hi cereal! Are you a cereal killer? @small coral
warped sentinel
He made the claim that not everything is based on logic but he didn’t say anythi...
would it be true if he did?
small coral
hi cereal! Are you a cereal killer? <@310263589913100288>
no that's cypheriel
small coral
He made the claim that not everything is based on logic but he didn’t say anythi...
but is it?
quasi blaze
would it be true if he did?
Depends on his supporting statements
warped sentinel
that's fair
small coral
an argument where neither sides have whole supports are simply clashing opinions
quasi blaze
Making a claim without statements that support that claim doesn’t bring your point across
quasi blaze
an argument where neither sides have whole supports are simply clashing opinions
Exactly
grave cove
one doesn't need supporting evidence for a statement to be true
grave cove
happy pride month to you too
quasi blaze
one doesn't need supporting evidence for a statement to be true
Why do you say that?
grave cove
because it's true
small coral
this is almost getting philosophical
young shoal
Why do you say that?
consider: 1 + 1 = 2
small coral
consider: `1 + 1 = 2`
(there's a whole book on proving this)
quasi blaze
because it's true
You know that’s a fallacy right?
grave cove
that's irrelavent
small coral
everything is a fallacy at this point
civic pasture
grave cove
steam deck rip off
small coral
everything is a fallacy at this point
and that is describing the state of the conversation, and is not sincerely meant to be logical
in other words, that is not logic
and so everything can't be logic
rain marsh
axiom be like: lemme introduce myself
grave cove
real
quasi blaze
one doesn't need supporting evidence for a statement to be true
Appeal to Self-evident Truth fallacy.
Making the claim that something is "self-evident" when it is not self-evident in place of arguing a claim with reason.
Logical Form:
Person 1 claims Y without evidence.
Person 2 asks for evidence.
Person 1 claims that Y is self-evident.
Example #2:
Sara: No human should ever kill another human being.
Dottie: Why not?
Sara: It's self-evident.
it doesn't matter if it's self evident or not
grave cove
real
carmine apex
reminder that godel's incompleteness theorems exist, and thus that using logic to prove all true things is impossible
quasi blaze
it's not "self evident", it's true
Making a claim that “not everything is based on logic” is not axiomatic
small coral
Making a claim that “not everything is based on logic” is not axiomatic
opposing it is also not axiomatic
spice helm
what are yall thoughts
quasi blaze
opposing it is also not axiomatic
I wasn’t opposing his claim. I just told psvm that I am not going to conduct his supporting statements for him
small coral
okay
rain marsh
what are yall thoughts
Why did you put scratch in D tier
small coral
that's decided then
rain marsh
It is obviously S+ tier
thick osprey
what are yall thoughts
My thought is that you are interupting an ongoing conversation by double posting.
warped sentinel
what are yall thoughts
it's nice but wrong
small coral
what are yall thoughts
i don't know most of these so i am not qualified to answer
spice helm
yes
spice helm
My thought is that you are interupting an ongoing conversation by double posting...
oops
carmine apex
c and go in S is uh what no, and lua is lower by association to roblox
spice helm
NEOVIM??????
small coral
that's decided then
there's no opposition so there is no reason for an argument
and the claim is supposedly true so far
grave cove
I wasn’t opposing his claim. I just told psvm that I am not going to conduct his...
you don't have to
spice helm
Why did you put scratch in D tier
because its fun but not useful really
rain marsh
but you can do anything in scratch
grave cove
but propositions are always either true or false, regardless of supporting evidence 👍
spice helm
make a kernel?
spice helm
and holy c is better than c++ genuinly
rain marsh
do I have the link for you
quasi blaze
but propositions are always either true or false, regardless of supporting evide...
That doesn’t sound right at all
warped sentinel
but propositions are always either true or false, regardless of supporting evide...
I like fuzzy logic for these reasons
grave cove
That doesn’t sound right at all
it is. that's the definition of a proposition
remember that mathematics does not necessarily have to align with the real world
spice helm
here is link if yall want https://tiermaker.com/create/programming-languages-2023-16558614
foggy jungle
It was written by someone who has very little understanding of the languages they're claiming are superior.
rain marsh
quasi blaze
it is. that's the definition of a proposition
So if I made the proposition that there’s life on other planets. That’s true?
grave cove
So if I made the proposition that there’s life on other planets. That’s true?
it can be either true or false
carmine apex
or neither or both, or something else
young shoal
So if I made the proposition that there’s life on other planets. That’s true?
a logical proposition is different from a 'proposition' used in daily conversation
carmine apex
there should be a boolean fallacy
spice helm
It was written by someone who has very little understanding of the languages the...
u sure?
vale raven
there should be a boolean fallacy
What if it’s an optional bool?
honest star
So if I made the proposition that there’s life on other planets. That’s true?
You should read into the basics of logic theorems and propositional logic. Understanding what a proposition is will be helpful for you. Especially if you insist on posting logical fallacy definitions here.
grave cove
yeah logic doesn't necessarily have to be consistent, does it?
quasi blaze
it can be either true or false
Okay but if I am making the claim that there’s life on other planets, I would need statements to support my claim. Correct?
grave cove
no
honest star
Okay but if I am making the claim that there’s life on other planets, I would ne...
You should read about propositional logic.
rain marsh
My claim is that I am the coolest person here
grave cove
have you taken a discrete math course? afaict its a required course for a lot of engineering disciplines
grave cove
My claim is that I am the coolest person here
false, it's me
rain marsh
proof
grave cove
me
quasi blaze
have you taken a discrete math course? afaict its a required course for a lot of...
Yep
spice helm
My claim is that I am the coolest person here
false, uts robin
small coral
My claim is that I am the coolest person here
i don't know you so i oppose that claim
rain marsh
fake
small coral
i think that all cool people must be known to everyone in an area or something
quasi blaze
My claim is that I am the coolest person here
What makes you the coolest person here?
quasi blaze
didn't you learn basic propositional logic then?
Maybe I misunderstood what proposition meant
grave cove
Maybe I misunderstood what proposition meant
what did you misunderstand it as?
perhaps it can be cleared up
quasi blaze
what did you misunderstand it as?
Proposing a statement
small coral
ok that's cool
grave cove
Proposing a statement
as was mentioned a proposition that we're typically used to is something like a suggestion or recommendation, while a proposition in propositional logic is a statement that is either true or false
quasi blaze
as was mentioned a proposition that we're typically used to is something like a ...
Okay so it’s a boolean value
grave cove
not exactly
but close enough
a boolean value can be used to express the truth value of a proposition, though
honest star
Maybe I misunderstood what proposition meant
Did your discrete math class not cover propositional logic?
quasi blaze
If psvm believes that not everything is based around logic, why is it logically correct for him to not make any statements that supports his claim? This is what I am not understanding
young shoal
consider: you cannot evaluate the claim "not everything is logic" using logic
quasi blaze
consider: you cannot evaluate the claim "not everything is logic" using logic
You can still make statements that supports your claim. Even if you need to explain it philosophically
quasi blaze
Did your discrete math class not cover propositional logic?
No
honest star
I've literally never heard of discrete math not covering that
grave cove
strange
rain marsh
Lol I did discrete mathematics and we didn't cover that
grave cove
unless you mean, "no, it did"
rain marsh
I can send the syllabus if you want
quasi blaze
I've literally never heard of discrete math not covering that
You used a negative in your question so I read that wrong
honest star
I can send the syllabus if you want
I am fascinated, yes please
Also, it is the end of my mini-vacation so as I travel back home I want to re-iterate:
traveling by train >>>>>>>>>>>
grave cove
If psvm believes that not everything is based around logic, why is it logically ...
why is it logically correct for him to not make any statements that supports his claim?
nobody said that it was
quasi blaze
I don’t know why people use negatives and double negatives to ask questions
Cancel them out
young shoal
you can't cancel out a single negative tho
grave cove
sometimes it's more natural
small coral
I don’t know why people use negatives and double negatives to ask questions
"aren't you unsatisfied?"
"are you satisfied?"
these questions ask 2 different things
quasi blaze
“It is not the case that is it not raining.” Sentence is confusing
Cancel the double negatives out
carmine apex
Also, it is the end of my mini-vacation so as I travel back home I want to re-it...
sad and angry us noises
rain marsh
@honest star This is the syllabus for the further mathematics A-Level in the UK (taken from age 16-18)
Graph theory, basic algorithms, linear programming, simplex and a couple others
small coral
"not unhappy" is not the same as "happy"
happy -> happy
not unhappy -> an emotion other than the opposite of happy (includes happy)
hmm
negative prefixes seem to be more specific compared to "not"
quasi blaze
> why is it logically correct for him to not make any statements that supports h...
Isn’t that what made you say that you don’t need supporting statements if a claim is true?
small coral
i didn't notice that before
honest star
<@212644551926611969> This is the syllabus for the further mathematics A-Level i...
The lesson I am choosing to take from this is that UK education is weird and slightly nonsensical =P
rain marsh
so true
carmine apex
can't even spell math right, tbf
honest star
*sad and angry us noises*
Just live on the east coast US :3c
quasi blaze
consider: you cannot evaluate the claim "not everything is logic" using logic
So will you be so kind to make supporting statements of your claim that not everything is based around logic?
young shoal
no
honest star
septa goes hard
Septa is great if you don't need to rely on it being on time
young shoal
Septa is great if you don't need to rely on it being on time
i looked at the data and it's not that bad. about 75% for buses and 95% for regional rail. but i don't think it's even across all routes
grave cove
why does it have to be
young shoal
Well then your claim isn’t very persuasive is it?
i'm not persuading, i'm telling 😉
carmine apex
dum fed laws having no teeth thanks to reg capture means that NS or BNSF or UP or whoever just blocks the line for 20 years and doesn't get a slap on the wrist
quasi blaze
why does it have to be
Because I am challenging his idea
small coral
what's so troubling with "not everything is logic"
small coral
Because I am challenging his idea
what's the difference between "challenging" and "opposing"
grave cove
Because I am challenging his idea
that doesn't change the fact that a proposition can be true or false and is independent of persuasion or supporting evidence
quasi blaze
i'm not persuading, i'm telling 😉
Do you concede?
young shoal
Do you concede?
no
quasi blaze
that doesn't change the fact that a proposition can be true or false and is inde...
He believes it to be true though which is why I am asking him to make supporting statements
small coral
that doesn't change the fact that a proposition can be true or false and is inde...
no matter what, a proposition is what it is
golfed
thick osprey
He believes it to be true though which is why I am asking him to make supporting...
What I think you are missing is that they have no requirement or inclination to do what you are asking. 
small coral
a proposition is
that's mostly emphasizing on the "be" verb which implies that the statement is about its existence
grave cove
it do exist
small coral
but definition
thick osprey
a proposition is
That that is is.
grave cove
real
quasi blaze
What I think you are missing is that they have no requirement or inclination to ...
If you can’t make supporting statements of what you believe in, then how do I know that they’re not talking out of your ass?
small coral
ad hominem
honest star
If you can’t make supporting statements of what you believe in, then how do I kn...
You don't. At some point a person doesn't have to argue with you and you just have to make peace with that.
thick osprey
If you can’t make supporting statements of what you believe in, then how do I kn...
Wrong question: Why does it matter?
rain marsh
Sometimes, you just have to trust them
small coral
why is "not everything is logic" challenged? is it false?
rain marsh
I wouldn't have enough time to make everyone backup their claim in a conservation
small coral
if so, why is it false?
grave cove
also didn't pub already give you proof, though: #ot1-perplexing-regexing message
quasi blaze
Wrong question: Why does it matter?
I want to be on his side, I want to believe that he’s correct but he’s not showing me anything that’s convincing
young shoal
if you want to be on my side, why did you refuse to produce evidence in favor?
thick osprey
I want to be on his side, I want to believe that he’s correct but he’s not showi...
But we are showing you, through example, that your focused point of view on logic is not allowing you to see what you wish to see.
quasi blaze
if you want to be on my side, why did you refuse to produce evidence in favor?
Because I am not going to do the work for you. You made the claim. I didn’t
young shoal
Because I am not going to do the work for you. You made the claim. I didn’t
why do you want to be on my side?
quasi blaze
why do you want to be on my side?
Because what you’re saying seems correct but you didn’t make any supporting statements
young shoal
also, consider this: #ot1-perplexing-regexing message
small coral
why should it need supporting is my question
quasi blaze
But we are showing you, through example, that your focused point of view on logi...
I think you missed the part where psvm told me to “look within myself and I will find the answer”
thick osprey
I didn't miss that part. I've been reading for quite a while now.
quasi blaze
why should it need supporting is my question
That’s how you structure an argument
quasi blaze
Make claim X
Make statements Y and Z that support the claim X
That’s how you structure your position
small coral
it's obviously not axiomatic, but the opposition is not either
quasi blaze
Otherwise, your claim will sound baseless.
Imagine if I said that I am the most charismatic discord user on this server but I didn’t provide any supporting statements to back up my claim
small coral
and neither of them are proven
young shoal
haven't i given something to consider already anyway
grave cove
fr
lament cairn
my ultimate weapon in arguments is "man i dont give a shit"
quasi blaze
it's obviously not axiomatic, but the opposition is not either
The debater should not disprove their opponent’s claim if the opponent didn’t provide any supporting statements of their claim. That’s a burden of proof fallacy
grave cove
based, snow leopard posting
thick osprey
my ultimate weapon in arguments is "man i dont give a shit"
You do like injecting random images into the flow of an ongoing discussion, that much I've noticed. :)
grave cove
The debater should not disprove their opponent’s claim if the opponent didn’t pr...
why did we go from mathematical logic to debate
small coral
if there's no supporting statements
why have an argument at all
why start an argument
lament cairn
You do like injecting random images into the flow of an ongoing discussion, that...
my bad
young shoal
why did we go from mathematical logic to debate
that's never really been clarified
small coral
if it's never meant to be structured as one
lament cairn
why did we go from mathematical logic to debate
proofs are kinda debates, no?
young shoal
proofs are kinda debates, no?
no
quasi blaze
Just because to you is baseless, doesn’t mean it’s actually baseless
lament cairn
oh ok
rain marsh
Just because *to you* is baseless, doesn’t mean it’s actually baseless
Who decides if it's baseless or not
lament cairn
i try to type useful stuff along with my random image
most of the time it isn't but that's because I'm not that bright
small coral
if it's never meant to be structured as one
to have an argument in the first place means that there must be at least some proof for both sides
grave cove
Just because *to you* is baseless, doesn’t mean it’s actually baseless
pub's original statement was that not everything is about logic, it seems baseless to you but it may not be
vale raven
didn't say it's a problem
I did
quasi blaze
Who decides if it's baseless or not
A claim with no supporting statements is a baseless argument
grave cove
so i am confused on what we're talking about here
strange blade
so i am confused on what we're talking about here
What a debate is(n't).
small coral
and to make an argument out of "not everything is logic" means that there must be proof for it
else it's just a clash of opinions
quasi blaze
pub's original statement was that not everything is about logic, it seems basele...
It’s baseless because there was no supporting statements behind it
small coral
which leads to irrelevancy
rain marsh
A claim with no supporting statements is a baseless argument
But who decides if it's a supporting statement and therefore baseless or not
grave cove
It’s baseless because there was no supporting statements behind it
is it baseless to you or is it actually baseless? and how do you define actually baseless?
rain marsh
One person could view the statement as supporting it while the other could not
young shoal
It’s baseless because there was no supporting statements behind it
but i gave a supporting statement
quasi blaze
But who decides if it's a supporting statement and therefore baseless or not
Line of reasoning. Logic.
carmine apex
keezy, you prefer using logic to prove things, but logic cannot prove itself
quasi blaze
keezy, you prefer using logic to prove things, but logic cannot prove *itself*
Yes it can. They are called axioms.
strange blade
Emotions come into play as well
and faith 'n stuff
grave cove
isn't this a godel's incompleteness theorem thing
young shoal
Yes it can. They are called axioms.
you can't prove an axiom with the other axioms . by definition
quasi blaze
Emotions come into play as well
Thank you. That’s a supporting statement
small coral
i'm pretty sure he just entirely ignored what i said earlier
thick osprey
you can't prove an axiom with the other axioms <:pithink:652247559909277706>. by...
Does a set of all things contain itself?
young shoal
Does a set of all things contain itself?
what definition of "set" are you using?
thick osprey
Ha! great question.
young shoal
the typical "set" definition means that it is not possible to construct a "set of all things"
strange blade
lol
carmine apex
Yes it can. They are called axioms.
as robin said, look up godel's incompleteness theorem. nothing in mathematics or anything else can ever be truly proven
vale raven
as robin said, look up godel's incompleteness theorem. nothing in mathematics or...
So… 1+1 might really be 3?
grave cove
you can let that be one of your axioms
small coral
So… 1+1 might really be 3?
mmnm 🤷
strange blade
So… 1+1 might really be 3?
It's just that there will be true statements that cannot be proven.
thick osprey
So… 1+1 might really be 3?
Not so simple as that. It presents that in any reasonal system there will be truths that cannot be proven.
honest star
Yes it can. They are called axioms.
Axioms are things you must accept as true to proceed, it's a starting point. It's not proof.
small coral
in a base-10 number system where the numbers go from 0 1 3 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 that is true
oh
strange blade
lol
small coral
what is truth
small coral
what *is* truth
||(john 18:38)||
grave cove
real
rain marsh
what is love, baby dont hur-
grave cove
🗿
strange blade
I will hurt you.
young shoal
bannable imo
rain marsh
alright good talk fellow humans, time for bed
small coral
||(john 18:38)||
||(and so with that unanswered question pilate declared there was no basis for the claims against the christ)||
vale raven
alright good talk fellow humans, time for bed
Am doggo thank
small coral
people don't make sense sometimes
thick osprey
Sometimes?
rain marsh
👋
small coral
they just walk out on unanswered questions or something
honest star
Sometimes?
Sometimes they sleep!
small coral
Sometimes they sleep!
true