ot1-perplexing-regexing

[pulsar heart]

I mean, repressing your own homosexuality is a private choice, I'd discourage it ofc, but not mine or anyone else's business.

[true flax]

lol what

[pulsar heart]

If you choose to be a given sexual orientation, it only means you have a predisposition for the opposite but you condition yourself to be a certain way.

Otherwise the statement is meaningless

[snow dawn]

My band's first single! (excuse the keyboard solo, i'm a keyboard virgin 🙂)
https://absentmindedband.bandcamp.com/track/absent-minded

hehe

[hearty violet]

old school and indie vibes at the same time lol

btw the stereo is not setup correctly
I get more volume from my left than my right ear

[pulsar heart]

I reckon it's a bit more complicated, as it involves deep rooted emotions and complex social contexts.

[jovial oriole]

Nice

Gg bro

keep going u got stuff

[pulsar heart]

Yeah people change over time, I just think it's good for people to accept and love themselves instead of negating harmless feelings.

[soft violet]

The notion that orientation can be changed and is a choice has been used to justify some pretty fucking awful things.

Orientation doesn't change.
Your understanding of it may.
Your choices may.

You may have shifts as to what you're into at any given point in time, but I submit that isn't a shift in orientation, but a shift abiding by it.

With that in mind, if you feel you do have a choice of orientation, you may have some self reflection to do.

[pulsar heart]

The theory of evolution was used to justify a lot of the Nazi attrocities, doesn't mean that the theory of evolution is wrong, just means that people with no morals perpetrated evil

[soft violet]

Which can be a shitty feeling, and for that feeling I am genuinely sorry and sympathetic.

Oh, my, no. I stand by what I said wholeheartedly.

[pulsar heart]

Sexual orientation, preferences, gender roles, all of it can and does change because people are not static rocks, they are dynamic complex systems that adapt to new information and situations.

[tardy rain]

Just pick a person you like, its not that hard

Whats with all this orientation stuff

Thats just greedy

And greed is a sin

Mormons havent been involved in any wars

[soft violet]

I've a poly friend, but he isn't a Mormon.

Not unless he's been exceptionally sneaky about it.

[tardy rain]

Why did you emoji that message

Have mormons been in wars

Oh

Kinda disappointed ngl

[thick osprey]

I agree that self reflection is good. You come to understand who you were, who you are, and the change that happened between.

[ancient minnow]

Hi guys, I need some advice. I have a script running that generates a ton of data (over 60000 rows in pandas). I update this data every hour (this means I overwrite the old data completely). Right now I am doing everything in pandas. I want to setup an api where you will be able to request some of the data based on your request.
Does it make sense to convert this pandas DF to sql for the requests, or should I just keep it as a dataframe and call the data using pandas every time someone requests something.
If one choice is better than the other, can you explain why. Is it in terms of speed or accesability or smth else?

[jovial oriole]

probably sql

That seems lioe it takes up a lot of emory

[thick osprey]

If you already have data in the one form and the API can access that data easily, leave it. Don't migrate the data unless you need to for accessibility.

[jovial oriole]

but as soom as i promote json to store data im the bad guy

[thick osprey]

If you say so. I've never called you that.

[jovial oriole]

i never said you did that

[thick osprey]

When you say "covert this pandas DF to sql" what do you mean by that?

[ancient minnow]

.to_sql

its a function

literally convert the dataframe into a database

[thick osprey]

But it's still in memory? I've never used pandas.

[ancient minnow]

so the pandas dataframe is in memory

it takes up 3 gb of memory

when I call to_sql

[young shoal]

it outputs as an sql script

[ancient minnow]

write it to an sql database

[thick osprey]

So that you can populate a database?

[young shoal]

indeed

!d pandas.DataFrame.to_sql

[royal lake]

pandas.DataFrame.to\_sql

DataFrame.to_sql(name, con, *, schema=None, if_exists='fail', index=True, index_label=None, chunksize=None, dtype=None, method=None)```
Write records stored in a DataFrame to a SQL database.

Databases supported by SQLAlchemy [[1]](https://pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/stable/reference/api/pandas.DataFrame.to_sql.html#r689dfd12abe5-1) are supported. Tables can be newly created, appended to, or overwritten.

[thick osprey]

Okay. If you are hurting for memory then drop that into a database. Easy.
If it's running already and you are shrugging at cost of memory... use it as is. (right back to my first comment)

[tardy rain]

that seems to dump data in the db for you

[young shoal]

oh nevermind

[tardy rain]

no sql script necessary

[ancient minnow]

yeah i thought the same

[ancient minnow]

but there are no performance benefits?

like I have a script that can quickly filter out a lot of entries in pandas

would this be faster/slower as a db

[thick osprey]

Memory will be faster read/write than the IO of a disk, always.

[ancient minnow]

but I feel like if I would store it in a db it would take up less space

than I am using rn in memory

[young shoal]

it would use less memory

[ancient minnow]

60000 entries shouldnt be 3 gb in a db

[thick osprey]

It will take up just as much space (maybe more). But not your memory anymore.

[young shoal]

that is strange though

[thick osprey]

All depends on what is in an entry.

[ancient minnow]

14 columns, 3 of them are datetime objects, the others are floats and strings

and all strings contain less than 100 chars

[thick osprey]

Okay, I'm with psv. 3gb is outragious for that little data.

[ancient minnow]

well I might be tweaking, because I just checked task manager

is there a way in pycharm

to check how much memory a dataframe takes up in debug mode?

[tardy rain]

df.memory_usage()?

!docs pandas.DataFrame.memory_usage

[royal lake]

pandas.DataFrame.memory\_usage

DataFrame.memory_usage(index=True, deep=False)```
Return the memory usage of each column in bytes.

The memory usage can optionally include the contribution of the index and elements of object dtype.

This value is displayed in DataFrame.info by default. This can be suppressed by setting `pandas.options.display.memory_usage` to False.

[ancient minnow]

this times 2

because I also have one more dataframe of the same size

[tardy rain]

might wanna use deep=True if you have objects

[ancient minnow]

these are the 2 dataframes

[granite tree]

For 60k rows like that, I think you could store it any way you want. sqlite, .json file, in a dataframe, in an list of dicts, whatever. Are you not processing it at all? Just returning the data set?

[tardy rain]

so if you .sum() what does the total come up to

[ancient minnow]

I am processing it

but I need the raw data too

so people can process it their own way in an api request

[ancient minnow]

50682836

Oh it should be only 50 mb

[granite tree]

I'd think your real question is: which path would allow you to easily build a query API against that set.

[ancient minnow]

well my gut says pandas, but I would want to store the old data somewhere, to make a regression model of it over time

idk if storing that in csv would be optimal

[thick osprey]

Oh, well you never mentioned that! haha

[ancient minnow]

no because my primary goal was the api

the model is something i would like to do at a later time

[granite tree]

My approach to all problems is: 1. log to a file first, so I can do the inevitable database rebuild. In this case, write .json, .csv or .parquet files for each load.

2. Build a current table - current state / most recent. Don't try to live query against a history table (if you end up with one), because it's inevitably grows too large

3. Keep a second history table, with the changes for each event..

4. Compute some historical metrics, so you're not querying to ginormous raw data for each request.

something like that

[ancient minnow]

ait thanks

seems not too hard

[granite tree]

For streaming data, things get a little more hairy, since you don't have discrete chunks of data

[ancient minnow]

in what scenario would I want to stream it?

[granite tree]

You described it as: you'd poll every hour and pull the entire dataset each hour. But, let's say the events were pushed to you... so at any time, you might receive an event that updates the current state. Then, you'd need to log that in the history table + apply it to the latest table. And, write to a file log so you can recreate the db.

[ancient minnow]

ohh alright

thank you

[abstract marlin]

not sure who needs to hear this but if you have WSL and Docker installed, there's a high chance WSL is running on boot and taking up like 4gb of RAM, even if Docker is set to not start
i couldnt find a good solution so i just uninstalled docker lol. wasnt using it anyway

[cursive salmon]

my laptop would start helicopter mode if using more than 50% of the ram

[small coral]

why shouldn't n % 0 just be defined as n

[thick ore]

what is the remainder of n / 0

[small coral]

by long division it's n

the quotient may not be defined which causes a problem if modulo relies on that number

but if modulo relies on the thing that if it appears twice, it's the remainder, it makes sense

or like https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/516251/why-is-n-mod-0-undefined

A typical first way of thinking about mods is to say that a ≡ b (mod d) if a = b + dk for some integer k. In this sense, there is nothing wrong with saying a ≡ b (mod 0), although this says nothing more than a = b.

why not that

[willow narwhal]

A few rules that usually hold with modulo no longer do, then.

For example: for all x mod n, the result will be less than n.

It seems safer, in a programming language, to have the operation crash in this case than to potentially do something surprising.

[crystal spruce]

it's rare you would have to mod by 0 for some reason

[tawdry owl]

chatgpt debate of the ages

[jaunty wraith]

ages is quite an exaggeration

[tawdry owl]

wasn't srs

[mossy blade]

debate is quite an exaggeration, you're arguing with something I didn't say

[tawdry owl]

you responded to me respondging to somebody else that said it always makes mistakes.

[nova wyvern]

A rule that applies to programming in general, and especially anything working with AI: there difference from 99.99% to 100% is a lot bigger than from 99% to 99.99%

[tawdry owl]

so I continued my same line of reasoning that that makes no sense

to which you said something like, "yeah, but it's still unreliable"

[dusky turret]

👀

[mossy blade]

So you're being needlessly pedantic about it

[tawdry owl]

to which my response is "so what?"

[granite tree]

"needlessly pedantic"? Somewhat redundant, I think.

[tawdry owl]

then why are you responding to me?

of course I'm gonna keep responding to the things you say

[mossy blade]

"it always makes mistakes" is commonly understood to mean "mistakes are frequent enough to be a significant problem", not "literally all of its output is wrong"

[granite tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ

[mossy blade]

shame about Cleese

[granite tree]

What? He died?

[tawdry owl]

sure, that clarification is fine. but the claim that it will introduce mistakes into any project that uses it is similarly absurd

[mossy blade]

Not that I am aware of

[dusky turret]

u killed him just now

[mossy blade]

he just turned out to be a bit of a git in his old age

[granite tree]

? What'd he do?

[tawdry owl]

not to mention that they responded saying they literally never had it produce correct output lol

which is why i asked for a simple example that could be tested. to which you butted in asking why it has to be simple

[dusky turret]

chatgpt is sometimes very cool i've got to say

[mossy blade]

went off on a rant defending Rowling and insisting she's not transphobic

[mossy blade]

I did not ask that, someone else did

[tawdry owl]

Yes, the person I was responding to before you butted in

[mossy blade]

it's not a private conversation

[dusky turret]

1 or 2 days ago it taught me that < or > can use lt or gt even if the other one isn't implemented

eg < can resort to gt is false

[tawdry owl]

you're right. you could have read those messages to understand why the example should be simple not complex

[mossy blade]

Well, I'm not the one who asked why it had to be simple

once again you're arguing with something I didn't say

[tawdry owl]

ah, thought that was you

[mossy blade]

Maybe check your facts before going off on me

[tawdry owl]

"get owned liberal"

[mossy blade]

jesus. I'm done.

[tawdry owl]

alright i'm sorry maam i'll check the facts

[mossy blade]

not a sir

[granite tree]

Might I suggest that this conversation has run its course? Seems like its getting personal.

[jaunty wraith]

that was unwarranted and frankly childish

[mossy blade]

I'm gonna go get a breakfast burrito

[jaunty wraith]

burrito 👍🏼

[granite tree]

now that i can get behind.

[tawdry owl]

i thought "check your facts" was a little unwarranted considering I admitted I was mistaken

[mossy blade]

burrito 👍🏼

[granite tree]

🌯

[jaunty wraith]

there's a burrito emoji

nice

[mossy blade]

there are so many emoji

[granite tree]

Speaking of, I had a very unsatisfying Gyro yesterday. They wrapped it in a tortilla instead of a pita. Just was all wrong.

[tawdry owl]

Gyro is so messy 😦

[mossy blade]

condolences

[jaunty wraith]

wouldn't that be a taco

[dapper dew]

taco arabe

[granite tree]

I'm still upset that soft tacos are a thing. Tacos should be crunchy.

[dapper dew]

but that uses a type of bread more than a tortilla

[dapper dew]

Do what now

[tawdry owl]

incorrect

[dapper dew]

Corn tortillas are amazing

[mossy blade]

tacos should be on soft corn tortillas made from masa

[tawdry owl]

what in the taco bell

[jaunty wraith]

looks crunchy

[tawdry owl]

i don't like this taco bell design cause your bite is either all meat or all salad

[granite tree]

Well, you only get one bite. The rest falls apart

[tawdry owl]

exactly, soft shell supremacy

if you really want, wrap a soft shell around the hard shell

[jaunty wraith]

how does a soft shell prevent this

[tawdry owl]

it doesn't fall apart

hard shells crack and literally crumble

[dusky turret]

pita

thats my territory

in case we talk about the same thing

[granite tree]

🫓

There really is an emoji for everything.

[dusky turret]

not pita

[granite tree]

close enough 🙂

[dusky turret]

xD

[granite tree]

🥙

[dusky turret]

actually

have u tried falafel

[granite tree]

Yah, but I need to drown it in hummus or sauce, so dry usually

[dusky turret]

hummus!

[tawdry owl]

falafel is fire but i ate too much one time and now i don't want it anymore 😦

[dusky turret]

my homie

where u from billy

[granite tree]

new england

[dusky turret]

:O

[granite tree]

Good friend is Morrocan... cooks a lot of middle eastern food.

[dusky turret]

u need to visit israel one time

[granite tree]

I have, in fact.

[dusky turret]

or i guess some arab states

[dusky turret]

u've had some good hummus?

[granite tree]

Oh yah, and shawarma

[dusky turret]

xD thats neat

i'm almost vegan so i dont eat shawarma anymore

bbut shawarma is great

[jaunty wraith]

what does being an "almost vegan" mean?

[dusky turret]

well i eat honey

i dont eat eggs fish meat milk

[granite tree]

I really like that garlic sauce. Toum, I think it's called.

[dusky turret]

no clue what that is

[jaunty wraith]

oh, honey counts as animal product

[dusky turret]

yea

it can get extreme

[jaunty wraith]

.wiki toum

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Toum
Salsat toum or toumya (Arabic pronunciation of تُومْ  'garlic') is a garlic sauce common to the Levant. Similar to the Provençal aioli, there are many

Garlic sauce
refers to a tomato and garlic sauce, which is used on pizza, pasta and meats. Toum is a thick garlic sauce common to the Levant. It contains crushed garlic

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[dusky turret]

no clue what that is

i must go now

cya later :)

[sterile sapphire]

went on a coffee date w a girl

it was nice

yes i have finally touched grass

[naive igloo]

gg

[naive igloo]

was she happy tho

[grave cove]

cute

how'd it go

[sterile sapphire]

she seemed really nice

[sterile sapphire]

i think it went pretty well

i texted her and said i had a good time and she said “that’s good me too!”

[grave cove]

nice! planning the next one?

[sterile sapphire]

yep!

[grave cove]

cool! hope it works out for you

[sterile sapphire]

thanks! i’m just happy i wasn’t catfished 😭

[civic pasture]

Lol

I hate spam texts

[grave cove]

omw

would never turn down steak

[civic pasture]

And she has Romanee Conti

[sterile sapphire]

i was worried i’d be catfished

but it’s hard to be catfished if they’re verified on tinder

so

[civic pasture]

The cheapest Romanee Conti is 5K dollars

https://angrywinemerchant.com/products/domaine-romanee-conti-2012?variant=44134903283904&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnfmsBhDfARIsAM7MKi2k7WR3NoFNy3pFv9IEs55r8m2L_nKN0ECBqrJACV339kQyn9S1sV4aAnj9EALw_wcB

Jesus

120K dollars

Why would anyone pay for that

Get this for your next date @sterile sapphire

[sterile sapphire]

i would rather shoot myself in the foot

[sterile sapphire]

"Hi are you willing to move out of the property in Freeport? I'm searching for a new place nearby and would love to discuss it. Up for a quick call? Ken from S&H Homes
Reply STOP to unsubscribe"

wtf

i don't live in freeport

lol

[random ferry]

Hello! Can anyone tell me what is going on with my monitor screen? This "bleeding" is getting worse.

[grave cove]

are you using VGA

[random ferry]

yes

[grave cove]

bad cable or connection point

try adjusting the cable to see if it gets better

[random ferry]

k, try it in a minute

[civic pasture]

😄

VGA is still used?

my monitor doesnt even have a VGA input

[random ferry]

seems to be it. reconnected my cable and tightened it. It got much better, but there are still some bleeding. Must be faulty monitor vga port, since everything works just fine on my other monitor with same cables

[grave cove]

yeah i used to have this same issue with my old monitors

its just playing with the cable until it's manageable

long term solution is to just another monitor or cable tbh

[random ferry]

Is there a judgement in this question?:) You are right tho. I have a video card with hdmi and dvi outputs, but still using an old 22" full HD monitor💀

[civic pasture]

no

I was just wondering

I havent seen VGA monitors a long time

is it a CRT monitor? @random ferry

i still have a CRT monitor

[fresh basalt]

Some games are better on CRT.

[random ferry]

Nah, a Samsung syncmaster 2253lw @civic pasture

[civic pasture]

I keep my CRT cuz nostalgia @fresh basalt

[random ferry]

The old ones, yeah

[civic pasture]

I have an LG one

[fresh basalt]

Someone I knew used to have a huge widescreen CRT back when they first came out. Beast of a monitor.

[civic pasture]

this is the one I have

[fresh basalt]

took up the entire top of a dresser

[civic pasture]

lol

LG Flatron

cute right?

[random ferry]

Damn, my grandpa had this guy

It had analog inputs tho, not vga

[fresh basalt]

that's not the trinitron is it?

IT IS

That thing is a beast

I swear it's like 100lbs

[random ferry]

Used to play Playstation 1 on this

[fresh basalt]

don't sit too close - if it fell on you RIP

@random ferry 28"?

Wow they are so expensive on eBay.

[random ferry]

Yep, thats the one

[fresh basalt]

Even the 13" Trinitrons are like $500

Are they a meme or something?

[random ferry]

Bruh, I dont know. I once found an old ussr penny in the forest and sold it on auction for $40. Some people just like to collect old and useless stuff.

[fresh basalt]

Haha yeah it's 111.11 lbs.

Those TV salesmen had to WORK.

[random ferry]

It is interesting that I remember the picture on these old TV's were considered very crisp. Though the resolution was something like 360p or something like that

Cant find the exact number of rgb pairs on trinitron screens, but refreshrate is surprisingly high - 100 hz

Well, there it is:

480p

Seemed pretty crisp back in the day

[fresh basalt]

@random ferry Almost everything was broadcast in 4:3 so it fit.

We got spoiled.

[uneven pine]

I can't be in the same building as a normal CRT

I can hear them being turned on through two floors and across the building

It's the only high pitched noise I can still hear with my hearing damage

And it drives me INSANE

[rough sapphire]

Any bleach fans?

[fresh basalt]

Are you taking a survey?

[civic pasture]

Yeah like wth

[uneven pine]

I quit last year

[civic pasture]

I don’t consume anything

Occasional weed

For anxiety

Prescribed by doctor

Edible form tho

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-sesame-street-cookies-eating-cookies-gif-16504976

I wouldn’t

Those are unhealthy

They wouldn’t help with productivity

Yes

Nicotine is no good for you

He is probably getting paid to advertise

How do you think he gets rich

Is he a some sort of YouTuber

Those influencers

They are idiots

Don’t get me wrong

They have 0 knowledge

Making money out of advertising

Or some other scheme

It can cause an increase in blood pressure, heart rate, flow of blood to the heart and a narrowing of the arteries (vessels that carry blood). Nicotine may also contribute to the hardening of the arterial walls, which in turn, may lead to a heart attack.

[low chasm]

I mean, it takes some amount of knowledge to be able to make it as an influencer

I think the hate on them can get kind of irrational

[civic pasture]

I mean he is promoting nicotine @low chasm

Someone with that kind of influence shouldn’t make such statements tho

[low chasm]

ah, you weren't speaking in general? In that case, sure, it's pretty bad.

[civic pasture]

Before researching

What state do you live? @heavy trench

I use marijuana for improved focus

And anxiety

In edible form

What does?

[jovial oriole]

how about just not taking anything

Ciggarettes for kids 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥💯

fr tho, cigerattes used to be promoted as safe and even healthy

vapes are viewed as not as bad as cigarettes or not too dangerous evem though they are

[fresh basalt]

So did a lot of unhealthy things.

[jovial oriole]

and why are vapes promoted with flavors??? Cotton candy, sour apple

[fresh basalt]

Either due to inadequate science or misinformation or influence from lobbyists.

Or lack of regulation.

[jovial oriole]

cuz the KIDS buy them. Fr they just gather in school bathrooks and vape between periods

[fresh basalt]

You just have to look back and think "at least we're not like that anymore."

[jovial oriole]

We still are

vapes are relatively new so we dont know the full impacts they can have on humans

And they are way too accessible for teens

[lime maple]

6th graders do it

not to mention the use of KENT here

[foggy jungle]

Shockingly, as an adult, I enjoy flavored products.
I don't think vapes should be accessible for teens, but cigarettes were too.
Cigarette smoking is down; and while we don't have conclusive evidence on the long term effects of chronic e-cigarette use, the tangible evidence for short-term effects of vaping for the average person health-wise are significantly less impactful than smoking cigarettes.
While I'm not going to advocate for vaping as a 'safe alternative to cigarettes', medical studies have shown that vaping is significantly less impactful on your health, so if you're already smoking, then vaping may impose less known and standing health risks.

This is something echoed by John Hopkins which concludes that “there’s almost no doubt that vaping exposes you to fewer toxic chemicals than smoking traditional cigarettes.” Furthermore, Hopkins goes on to postulate the cause for significant lung injuries is largely associated with "people who modify their vaping devices or use black market modified e-liquids."

This touches on a factor that I believe is glossed over far too frequently, which is that we can regulate the chemicals present in e-cigarettes rather than outright banning them. This is a major movement of the ENDS regulation via the FDA, which attempts to control the sale, manufacturing, and modification of e-cigarette liquids.

Given that we still have not abolished the existence of cigarettes, over-control of vaping may have negative health effects if continued research goes on to show that vaping is actually a healthier alternative to consuming cigarettes.

Many of the health effects associated with e-cigarettes are instead associated with the consumption of nicotine. The granular control of nicotine content in the substances your consuming is an appealing portion of vaping, and often, these studies do not target what I believe to be the 'average consumer', where an individual may be using 3mg juice but the subject of a study may be correlating the amount of nicotine with 'the average cigarette', which is substantially more.

While I don't think advocating for chemical dependancy is a good thing, anecdotally I've noted significant improvements to my personal health by quitting smoking and switching to vaping instead.

</soapbox>

[jaunty wraith]

[civic pasture]

what do you think about marijuana in edible form

[foggy jungle]

I don't have opinions; I don't use marijuana. I've considered THC for anxiety control. It has implications to my hirability that prevent me from using it. If it becomes federally legal, that discussion may change.

[civic pasture]

thank you very much

and thank you for joining our podcast sir

Next week we will discuss global warming

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-gif-24712885

[civic pasture]

time for sleep

[wanton delta]

thanks discord now i can voluntarily lag my whole laptop

[sick shadow]

since when is promoting nicotine a bad thing

1 drag off a cigarette takes 5 minutes off of your total lifespan - it simply can't get any better than that

[reef goblet]

Only 5?

[sick shadow]

Sadly yes

[civic pasture]

There are strains of weed that make anxiety go away. That’s why I’m on medical marijuana

[fresh basalt]

Anxiety reduction via cannabis is a subjective experience.

[honest star]

.8ball will teams web version work today?

[median dome]

Yes definitely

[honest star]

.... some doubts about that

[foggy jungle]

LinusTechTips did a WAN show awhile back remarking that Discord would be a reasonably solid contender to enter the enterprise communication space considering a lot of the functionality is already built in.

I'm inclined to agree, despite my woes with Discord.

[honest star]

GOD the way I fucking wiiiiish other apps implemented the client-side per-person volume controls

Discord multi-person voice/video group chats are honestly better than anything enterprise out there

[foggy jungle]

One person too quiet, one person too loud, and there's no happy middle ground to set it locally.
Yeah... That reminds me of my Teams meetings at my last job.

And the Discord Stage feature is just the best execution of any 'host'/'audience' kind of call I've seen yet.

[honest star]

Especially since they added video/screen sharing

[foggy jungle]

Kind of nutty that Discord is so widely adopted yet none of these other orgs have gone "Yknow what, that's actually a pretty good idea," and ran with it.

[outer sundial]

!e @gaunt warren replying here to not clog up #internals-and-peps, after some digging it looks like gc does the job, since obviously to prevent the thing being iterated from being garbage collected the iterator has to store a reference to it.

import gc
print(gc.get_referents(iter([1,2,3])))
print(gc.get_referents(iter(lambda:1,0)))```

[royal lake]

@outer sundial :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [[1, 2, 3]]
002 | [<function <lambda> at 0x7f296c496a20>, 0]

[gaunt warren]

wut

Oh, sweet

Thanks ❤️

[outer sundial]

(note that as levithan said, I could have a class return a stupid iterator as the result of __iter__, so this is only guaranteed in the stop iteration case, and with builtin classes.)

!e py import gc class A: def __iter__(self): return iter([1]) print(gc.get_referents(iter(A())))
Notice how there is no reference to class A

[royal lake]

@outer sundial :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[[1]]

[outer sundial]

The correct thing to say is it gives the contents of the iterator, not what actually constructed them.

[gaunt warren]

Yeah, and there's no one universal iterator, it's just anything that implements __iter__ and __next__. I'm only concerned with the two builtin iterators returned from iter() in this case.

[civic pasture]

Hi everyone

It’s me

[jade dock]

for what it's worth I think this would have been fine to keep in #internals-and-peps, it's what that channel is about. Though I guess you're fast approaching #esoteric-python 🙂

[fresh basalt]

What? Python in an offtopic channel? I say...

[dusky turret]

@granite tree

usually i dont picture food btw, feels a bit cringe...

[granite tree]

That does look great

[fresh basalt]

What's the white stuff? Sour cream?

potatoes, onion, beans and sour cream or creme fraiche?

[tardy rain]

tahini

back home we have this pastry stuffed with tahini mixed with honey and brown sugar

its incredible when fresh

[fresh basalt]

I think I heard the name but I've never had it.

oh, sesame

I love sesame

Those beans look good too.

love beans

[tardy rain]

Its the main ingredient in hummus

[civic pasture]

how does my note look @granite tree

https://files-thank-rbi.craft.me/pyng1QHxK6jWLF

[tardy rain]

Why are you pinging random people

[civic pasture]

He is not random 😮

he is Billy

[young shoal]

in multiple channels no less

[granite tree]

I like to think of myself as random

But it's doubtful.

[granite tree]

Dont have time to read fully, but conceptually looks great... and this is a great way to learn (at a deeper level)

[spare oriole]

what's that cream?

[dusky turret]

tahina

made of sesame

[civic pasture]

omg

[spare oriole]

hmm never heard of that

i thought it was latin crema

[civic pasture]

tahini is amasing

we use that in turkey all the time

[dusky turret]

i'm from israel, and in israel tahina and hummus are quite popular

i think u should really try either of them!

[spare oriole]

hmm is it like a little bit salty?

[dusky turret]

yea

[civic pasture]

do you mix it withhttps://mydearkitcheninhelsinki.com/2015/11/25/tahini-molasses-tahin-pekmez-turkish-dessert-spread-this-is-sweet/ @dusky turret this is how we eat it

with molasses

[spare oriole]

ah, then i've had it then

it's similar to sour cream but similar

[dusky turret]

um not really

u sure u had it?

[tardy rain]

Its sesame paste

[spare oriole]

idk then

[dusky turret]

nope

[spare oriole]

but i've had some sort of middle easter cream that looks like that

[dusky turret]

yea it's like between a cream to a paste

[civic pasture]

https://www.turkishtaste.com/products/turkish-tahini-halva-chocolate-flavored

this is so yummy

[tardy rain]

Tzatziki?

[spare oriole]

no clue

[dusky turret]

halva yea

[civic pasture]

turkish delicacy

[dusky turret]

halva is good too

its like a tahina treat

[tardy rain]

Tzatziki is yogurt and diced cucumbers

[civic pasture]

do you whats the best turkish desert?

Baklava 😄

[spare oriole]

then no

hmm in the mood for some tiramisu

[civic pasture]

have you ever had baklava? @spare oriole

[spare oriole]

i think so

[dusky turret]

oh yea thats good

[spare oriole]

idk the name of most of the stuff i eat

[civic pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hungry-baklava-halka-trilece-gif-27297757

[dusky turret]

u should try tahina though

i think for someone who never ate tahina it can be life changing

well, since i eat it almost every day i guess

[spare oriole]

lol

you should try pupusas

salvadorean delicacy

[civic pasture]

have some adana kebab @spare oriole

when you go to turkey

[dusky turret]

🤔

reading about it now

[near gull]

Adana is favourite!

As well as findik lahmacun

I think thats what its called

[spare oriole]

only if i can stay at your mansion

[civic pasture]

lahmacun is yummy too

[dusky turret]

its like with cheese right hamster

i'm sort of a vegan

[civic pasture]

hey if I go there in the summer visit me there @spare oriole

[tardy rain]

Pupusas look like arepas

[civic pasture]

you can stay at our summer house

[tardy rain]

And arepas good

[spare oriole]

they're similar to arepa but different

arepas are mid compared to pupusas

@granite tree can probably attest

[civic pasture]

have you had this befofe @near gull

turkish dumplings

[near gull]

No I dont think so but looks great

[dusky turret]

at first glance i thought it's hummus

[spare oriole]

where is it

[civic pasture]

Kusadasi

[near gull]

Turkish is favourite food and greek

[civic pasture]

heres your lahmacun @near gull

[near gull]

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-man-gif-14733745593859528159

[near gull]

Hummus with lamb also

is nice

[civic pasture]

you would probably like this @dusky turret

its vegan

[spare oriole]

looks like an island

[dusky turret]

yea i know this

dont know the name in english though

"grape leaves"

o.0

[near gull]

but baklava is probably the best thing ive ever tasted

[civic pasture]

stuffed grape leaves

[spare oriole]

this looks like tamales

[dusky turret]

grape leaves sounds weird but sure

[tardy rain]

I've never had a vegan version of that

Always pork mince in there

[dusky turret]

o.0

[civic pasture]

yeah you can do that

my mother makes it vegan

[dusky turret]

i've never seen a version that isn't vegan

i think at least

[civic pasture]

turkish donught

[dusky turret]

i see that u mention a lot of mexican food

every search in google tells me mexican food

[civic pasture]

its called simit

[dusky turret]

isn't it bagel

[near gull]

Bro 😍

[dusky turret]

it doesn't only look good btw

its super tasty as well

[near gull]

I know

I had it last week

there is a turkish bakery nearby

[dusky turret]

this tamale looks interesting

it's wrapped with banana leaves

[near gull]

is that top one

[dusky turret]

the one hamster mentioned

[near gull]

Look weird

[tardy rain]

Steamed wrapped rice things are always good

Regardless of origin

[near gull]

I guess

[civic pasture]

this is yummy too

pide

[dusky turret]

thats grape leaves man

[near gull]

Not lahmacun?

And suzuk as well is great

[tardy rain]

Grape leaves or banana leaves or whatever, its all good

[dusky turret]

i mean the version of grape leaves i know, is with rice inside

[civic pasture]

sucuk with eggs @near gull

[near gull]

very nice

I also find turkish people make best rice

Its not too sticky

But not dry

[dusky turret]

alright gonna go eat some vegetables

cya :)

[near gull]

bye

[civic pasture]

lol

you got the guy hungry

[near gull]

[civic pasture]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/eating-guinea-pig-vegetables-chewing-yummy-gif-16015047

[spare oriole]

it's not all mexican lol, pupusas are salvadorean

[civic pasture]

me eating veggies

[spare oriole]

part of latin america

[civic pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/vegetal-eating-hamster-kronik-carrots-gif-17176456

you eating veggies @spare oriole

[near gull]

mexican food sucks

turkish better

[spare oriole]

not really

turkish food sucks, authentic mexican food is awesome

[civic pasture]

o.o

[near gull]

https://tenor.com/view/antioche-atraoy-atraoykimi-gif-18170818

[civic pasture]

do you live close to London?

[near gull]

Yes

[civic pasture]

noice

[near gull]

Close enough to be annihilated by a russian meganuke i guess

[civic pasture]

LOL

[near gull]

Or at least radiation poisoned

[civic pasture]

London is gorgeous

[near gull]

parts are

[civic pasture]

Kensington

[near gull]

of course

[civic pasture]

Sohooo

[spare oriole]

ah right, the rich parts

ofc

[civic pasture]

so funny

Kensington is nice in London

[near gull]

Peckham 😫

[civic pasture]

in Philly Kensington is a druggie alley

[near gull]

Brixton 😩

Croydon 😩

[tardy rain]

Dagenham 😩

Lewisham 😩

I hate it here

[civic pasture]

the landscape of Peckham

[near gull]

Oof

[tardy rain]

Barking 😩😩😩

[near gull]

My ling my ting from barking

7am in the morning

[tardy rain]

Hackney😩😩😩😩😩😩

[civic pasture]

jeez

London is that bad to live in?

[tardy rain]

Nah hackney's getting gentrified

Its ok now

[near gull]

the ritz mayfair 😩 what a dump

[tardy rain]

Waltham forest tho 🗡️🗡️🗡️

ENGARDE

[civic pasture]

i mean madonna lives in london it must be better than nyc

[near gull]

central is safe tbh

imo

[tardy rain]

Central isnt safe either

[near gull]

nothing has ever happened to me anywhere in london

[tardy rain]

Westminster highest density of crime

[near gull]

i doubt violent crime

[civic pasture]

I thought Peckham sucked @near gull

[tardy rain]

Mostly theft and robbery

[near gull]

It was worse 20 years ago but its still not great

[tardy rain]

This is marketing

[dusky turret]

uh yea my bad

[near gull]

Also lot people there so theres prob gona be more crime

[civic pasture]

question

is crime bad in London

lets say I moved there for a job

[near gull]

u would be fine

[civic pasture]

should I be prepared not to walk on the streets after a certain hour?

[near gull]

If you dont move to a crappy neighbourhood

[tardy rain]

Yes in some places

[near gull]

Yep

[tardy rain]

Its a city of 10mil ofc theres crime

[civic pasture]

what kind?

[near gull]

U would need to be paid a lot of money to move there for a job tho otherwise not worth it

[civic pasture]

a lot of homicide?

[dusky turret]

mexican food is often very spicy

[tardy rain]

Theft most commonly

[civic pasture]

oh okay

[tardy rain]

Robberies

[near gull]

Decent chance of getting robbed but getting assaulted/murdered highly unlikely

[civic pasture]

better than the US then

[tardy rain]

Theres a bunch of violent crime but its between "gangs"

[civic pasture]

not a lot of shooters?

[near gull]

if you arent in a gang

Yeah

[tardy rain]

And by gangs i mean children on mopeds

[near gull]

Only gangs

And rarely

[civic pasture]

i read somewhere that stabbing was a big deal in london

[tardy rain]

They prefer knives and swords

[near gull]

yeah

[tardy rain]

An elegant weapon for a more sophisticated criminal

[near gull]

The knives are crazy now

[civic pasture]

do they just randomly stab someone?

[near gull]

Like samurai swords

[tardy rain]

Lmao

[near gull]

not really

Unless gang

[civic pasture]

okay

[near gull]

Or they are very desperate

[tardy rain]

mfs pulling out katanas out of their 5 layers of pants but i cant even carry pepper spray

[dusky turret]

gang members killing gang members

well

i dont think the police would care

[civic pasture]

you cant carry a pepper spray?

wtf

what about a taser?

can you carry a taser?

[near gull]

the mayor is such a failure as well

[tardy rain]

No taser

[civic pasture]

thats fucked up

pardon my language

[tardy rain]

You can only carry a fixed or manually folded blade of up to 2.5 inches i think

[near gull]

yep

Pocket knife or hunting knife

[tardy rain]

Can barely scratch anything

[near gull]

Whatever u call it

[civic pasture]

i mean pepper spray is not even a weapon

[near gull]

Better than nothing

[civic pasture]

why cant you carry a pepper spray

[tardy rain]

🤷

[dusky turret]

i need to get some pepper spary myself...

[near gull]

uk is very against citizens carrying weapons

culture i guess

It hasnt really been an issue until recently

[dusky turret]

pepper spray up to some density is usually legal

[near gull]

Just get yourself a long and illegally powerful flashlight

Best weapon

You can blind them and smack them

[tardy rain]

Learn how to fight and also run

Thats about it

[near gull]

Not kidding get a 10-20 watt long steel flashlight u will blind everyone

Lmao

Especially in the dark

[tardy rain]

Your best bet is to get a suspiciously sharp key chain thingy

And learn to use it

[near gull]

good idea

Or just carry pepper spray but dont get caught lol

[tardy rain]

My gf has one that looks like a cute cat head thing like so 😺

But has slots to put your knuckle through

[near gull]

knuckleduster type things are kinda useless

they hurt your hand more

[lapis gull]

you're a very sexy man

[tardy rain]

Hurt hand beats getting beat up or worse

Poke em in the eyes and run

[lapis gull]

what's ur msc in

[near gull]

unfortunately its not me its kimi

[tardy rain]

Discord usage

[near gull]

Very hard to do

If they have a knife its useless

[high verge]

aint nothing better than corroding your stomach lining and shitting it out

[tardy rain]

Creeps think they can overpower women without weapons and will try

So its something

[near gull]

for that sure

[dusky turret]

xD

[near gull]

but if dark then flashlights on top

best weapon

[tardy rain]

Really your best bet is not to live in east/south london

Kek

[near gull]

true

But it varies so much

You walk 100m you are suddenly in rich neighbourhood

[tardy rain]

In east?

Theres only one

[high verge]

pepper spray will instantly disable any attacker

[tardy rain]

E20

[high verge]

i have yet to see someone take it to the face and not react to it unlike tazers

[tardy rain]

I guess 2, hackney downs is getting better

[near gull]

mainly west

[tardy rain]

People complain about gentrification and then get on jubilee and go to canary wharf 💀

[near gull]

why does everyone have the same canary wharf photos

actually annoying

[young shoal]

that's just not true

[dusky turret]

i've been sprayed before

bbut i dont remember the feeling

[near gull]

Actually I want london more crime so I can become batman 💀

[tardy rain]

I want some more crime so my rent drops

We are not the same

[dusky turret]

batman is rich

i dont think he cares about rent

[near gull]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-never-have-to-christian-bale-gif-13518461

[tardy rain]

I dont have the backstory to be batman

[young shoal]

I gotchu

[dusky turret]

i have a better chance to become the joker

[tardy rain]

🤨🤨🤨

[young shoal]

I'll hook you up

[tardy rain]

You gonna shoot my parents?

Should i bring them to the theatre district

[young shoal]

*theater

[tardy rain]

😩

[dusky turret]

🤔

[near gull]

You also need to inherit a multi billion dollar weapons company

That is part of character development

[civic pasture]

theatre disctrit/

[tardy rain]

I dont have an inheritance
Playing life on hard mode 😔

[dusky turret]

i'd say normal mode

[honest star]

New BMTH is so good 🙏😊

[civic pasture]

whats that? @honest star

[honest star]

A band, Bring Me The Horizon. Their new single is very good

[foggy jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyacCX-CFUM

[young shoal]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6tUcFEXos6TGhESFlkAyCm

oh wrong channel

whatever you can have that

[civic pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-brian-griffin-meg-griffin-chris-griffin-kool-aid-gif-5420584

[civic pasture]

enjoy

[rough sapphire]

JIGGLY

[civic pasture]

yes?

[rough sapphire]

Whatcha doin?

[civic pasture]

lol

[heavy trench]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-off-your-johnson-gif-19762882

[spare oriole]

.....

[lament cairn]

drugged attacker:

[wanton delta]

Mein gott pattern matching enums can be pretty tedious

[drowsy rose]

https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html# wonder what people here'd think about this

he makes some decent points

but

If you use GitHub, consider SourceHut[3] or Codeberg. If you use Twitter, consider Mastodon instead. If you use YouTube, try PeerTube. If you use Facebook… don’t.

[tardy rain]

that doesnt even load

[drowsy rose]

same

try https://archive.is/HEVX9

[tardy rain]

this reads like bitter ranting

.randomcase When you choose Discord, you are legitimizing their platform and divesting from FOSS platforms

[median dome]

WHen you CHOOse dIsCord, YOU ArE LegITiMIziNg ThEir pLaTfOrM aND DIVeSTINg FrOM FOSs PLatfoRMS

[tardy rain]

womp womp, do better if you dont like it

[wanton delta]

does it even matter for FOSS projects to micromanage what we use to communicate between members

[young shoal]

incredible cope

who has even heard of sourcehut or codeberg

[wanton delta]

heck i'd holler from the other side of the hall if that make sense

i haven't

[tardy rain]

wtf is matrix and zulip even

[wanton delta]

why not gitlab

honestly idc about these details, i just wanna make shit

[young shoal]

matrix I've heard

[foggy jungle]

The issue with FOSS is that it's almost always dogshit.
Nobody wants to use LibreOffice or whatever it's called.

[young shoal]

real

[fresh basalt]

Why is FOSS dogshit @foggy jungle ?

[foggy jungle]

Conceptually it's good.
In reality, FOSS almost always lags behind in user experience functionality.

[fresh basalt]

Why though?

[tardy rain]

No one is paying these people to make good products

[foggy jungle]

Lack of money, lack of adoption, lack of contribution

[fresh basalt]

And what projects do you have in mind when you consider this?

I can agree with those points.

Like when you're at a family dinner and you want a little bit of everything but by the time you get 2/3 through your plate you realize you took too much food.

[foggy jungle]

Federated social media has almost entirely fallen flat after the slight uproar after Twitter stuff.

It's more like...
"Mom I want Discord."
'We have Discord at home.'
Discord at home:

Most FOSS enthusiasts are heavily on the cope train rationalizing a lack of featuresets while they chase ideals.
Which isn't a bad thing; like I said, I'm a huge fan of FOSS as a concept.

But when it comes to execution FOSS almost always misses the mark.

[fresh basalt]

I'm a huge fan of world peace as a concept.

[foggy jungle]

World peace, like the FOSS movement, likely won't ever be a reality though. Good metaphor.

[fresh basalt]

People, amirite?

ugh headache brb

[tardy rain]

The first step to improvement is not to come across as a spoiled, idealistic, elitist child

[foggy jungle]

Yeah-- I have a lot of hot takes regarding... FOSS, Linux, etc.

[graceful basin]

Discord is truly an awful alternative to a wiki, I am annoyed that it's becoming the norm.

[glossy niche]

i dont understand how this even happened in the first place

they arent even in the same class of software

[foggy jungle]

As it turns out, most people want to reap the benefits of a system without contributing to it.
Wiki's almost always rely on a small subset of individuals maintaining a knowledgebase.

[graceful basin]

Writing a comprehensive explanation in discord is easier than creating an account on a wiki and writing sth

[glossy niche]

ok tbf

fandomwiki sucks shitass and its overused

so this might have contributed

[graceful basin]

It's a less formal process, which helps as well

[glossy niche]

its such an awful website

[graceful basin]

Yeah, fandom is also a part of the problem

[foggy jungle]

I know in the videogame world, wiki's are still mostly manually maintained, which breaks my brain.

You could easily export that data to the wiki and format it properly utilizing an API.
But it doesn't happen.

[tardy rain]

Cant you contribute anonymously on wiki? Does it also need an account?

[foggy jungle]

It tracks contributions by IP address if you're trying to contribute anonymously (on most Wiki-engines.)

[glossy niche]

making an account takes a trivial amount of time, i dont see how thats an issue

[foggy jungle]

Wiki's aren't designed for user experience.

[graceful basin]

It's more that it's a series of steps

[glossy niche]

[graceful basin]

Whereas on discord it's just start writing

[foggy jungle]

Wiki user and discussion pages are a very legacy concept.

[graceful basin]

And it grows into an article on its own

[small coral]

does wikipedia count

[graceful basin]

A wiki is more " I will now write the article on ...", whereas discord is "I started talking about it and now I have 2k characters and this is a useful resource to refer to"

and the latter is much more accessible

writing articles is hard

[glossy niche]

i dont have enough exp with wikis to talk more about this tbh i only have a few tens of edits on wikis

[foggy jungle]

This might be one of the areas where NLP actually has some rational application.

Synthesis of Discord discussion topics into concise Wikipedia articles.

[glossy niche]

one of the things im most excited about in LLMs is how they will help search engines

not that you need an LLM for it, this has existed for years and probably doesnt use an LLM

[graceful basin]

Yeah....

[foggy jungle]

Incoming wall.

The provided transcript is a conversation on Discord discussing the challenges and perceived issues with contributing to wikis, particularly focusing on FandomWiki and the difficulty of creating and formatting content on traditional wikis. The users express frustration with the formalities, user experience, and steps involved in contributing to wikis, contrasting it with the more informal and accessible nature of Discord discussions.

The conversation touches on the manual maintenance of wikis, the tracking of contributions by IP addresses for anonymous contributors, and the legacy concepts of user and discussion pages on wikis. There is also a mention of the potential application of NLP (Natural Language Processing) for synthesizing Discord discussions into concise Wikipedia articles.

Based on this information, a Wikipedia article could be created with the following outline:

Introduction
Brief overview of the conversation on Discord regarding challenges in contributing to wikis.
Mention of specific concerns about FandomWiki and the perceived issues with traditional wikis.

Contributing to Wikis
Discussion on the less formal process of writing on Discord compared to creating an account on a wiki.
User opinions on the accessibility and user experience of contributing to wikis.

FandomWiki Critique
User dissatisfaction with FandomWiki and its perceived shortcomings.
Comments on the overuse and negative opinions about the website.

Wiki Maintenance
Insights into the manual maintenance of wikis, especially in the videogame world.
Mention of the possibility of exporting data to wikis and utilizing APIs for proper formatting.

Anonymous Contribution
Discussion on contributing anonymously to wikis and the tracking of contributions by IP addresses.
User opinions on the ease of making an account on wikis.

User Experience on Wikis
User perspectives on the design and user experience of traditional wikis.
Comments on the series of steps involved in contributing to wikis compared to the more accessible nature of Discord discussions.

NLP and Wikipedia Synthesis
Brief exploration of the idea of applying NLP for synthesizing Discord discussions into Wikipedia articles.
User opinions on the potential rational application of NLP in this context.

Conclusion
Summary of key points discussed in the Discord conversation.
Final thoughts on the challenges and potential improvements in contributing to wikis.
It's important to note that the Wikipedia article should adhere to Wikipedia's content guidelines and policies, ensuring neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sourcing of information.

[glossy niche]

bro who uses a conclusion in a wiki article

[foggy jungle]

Probably could've retooled that prompt a little bit.

[glossy niche]

i dont think ive ever seen such a thing in an encyclopedia

[foggy jungle]

My point moreso is that if the knowledge exists, it can probably be restructured via NLP into some Wikipedia-friendly format.

[glossy niche]

wasnt the semantic web about this btw?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

the cooler web3

[tardy rain]

Hire a nerd to constantly take minutes down in the discord channels

[glossy niche]

this one with a .0

[tardy rain]

No nlp needed

[foggy jungle]

Isn't Discord starting to do like... NLP summaries of conversations?

[glossy niche]

but muh effective accelerationist agenda

[foggy jungle]

I swear I saw that feature for awhile.

[glossy niche]

clyde? shitass feature

wait actually

[young shoal]

!rule 10

[royal lake]

Rules

10. Do not copy and paste answers from ChatGPT or similar AI tools.

[glossy niche]

yt made a really cool use of NLP on thge mobile app

[foggy jungle]

It's not an answer.

[young shoal]

isn't it?

[foggy jungle]

No?

[graceful basin]

the issue is that this requires a lot of knowledge

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[graceful basin]

I wonder if you could embed the entire message log of this server into an LLM and have it become a python expert

[glossy niche]

it sorts comments into topics

basically

i want to see NLP in things like that

[foggy jungle]

Considering the amount of blatantly incorrect code/information posted, volumetrically, I'm sure we'd actually just create the dumbest model known to man.

[graceful basin]

I would expect it mostly gets corrected often enough that it could theoretically figure it out

[small coral]

it might average out

[foggy jungle]

It gets corrected, but I'm not sure that it all gets corrected in a manner that I think some sort of LLM could comprehend.

[glossy niche]

so far i feel like LLMs worked best to complement search engines, for datamining and for ad hoc text/NLP tasks e.g. spreadsheets

automated wikis sounds cool but i worry it might end up like those crappy LLM generated blogs

[graceful basin]

but well, you can't write an algorithm for the truth

[young shoal]

i'm fairly certain the average pydis message is not great

[graceful basin]

Better than going over half a dozen channels worth of pins which are 70% memes

[glossy niche]

offtopic but spreadsheet AI is very good

[graceful basin]

of course a human written wiki is better, but clearly that ship has sailed

[glossy niche]

like having summaries of text cells, automatic translations, etc

[graceful basin]

oh yeah, I could see spreadsheets being a good fit

[glossy niche]

i use it mostly for learning new languages, but i can see it being good for adhoc text processing that may take too long to write code for if that was possible in the first place

[foggy jungle]

I think my only real use for chatGPT so far has been reformatting notes.

If I mess up indentation in Obsidian or something or want to restructure my notes to be a certain way.

[glossy niche]

i do actually use chatGPT a lot, handy tool

[foggy jungle]

I've found using it to turn a bulleted list of subjects into something like a markdown table is convenient.

[glossy niche]

along with bard, apparently bard is goated for translations, friend asked me to help him find the best AI for translating a novel and he found bard to be best

oh right theres also helping you practice learning a language

thats a pretty nice use for LLMs

for some reason, i decided to learn german recently

i dont know why

LLMs helped with that

[lament cairn]

hi

[foggy jungle]

It missed the mark a bit on this example but...

[glossy niche]

go away, only chatGPT fans allowed

[lament cairn]

😭

[lament cairn]

foss is really jst free labor for companies and researchers

[graceful basin]

I often use copilot to convert tables of instructions into some programming-language-compatable format

it sometimes even implements the simple ones for you

e.g. when I was writing my .class file generator

[glossy niche]

copilot does seem nice

i have friends with disabilities who cant type fast and it seems great for them

[graceful basin]

I just copy pasted the list of bytecodes and it vomited out the correct classes

[foggy jungle]

I haven't used copilot at all.

[foggy jungle]

That's actually a cool use for that.

[graceful basin]

I found it unreliable when it gets too "bold", trying to invent entire implementations and such

but it is very good at speeding up typing

[glossy niche]

i had it for a few months cause students and honestly forgot i had it

[foggy jungle]

I type fast enough that I'm not sure Copilot would save me much time

[graceful basin]

probably not, yeah

[glossy niche]

LLMs in general are really nice for people who cant type fast, i knew quite a few people who have that issue, disabilities and age generally

[graceful basin]

I am pretty close to the point where reading the suggestion and assessing its correctness takes longer than typing the right thing

[foggy jungle]

Yeah I can see someone like my elderly father using LLM's to interface with technology in a more idiomatic way.

[graceful basin]

which is also why I stopped using it recently

[glossy niche]

this is why i stopped using LLM generated code

except for scripts that are only like a 100 lines

LLMs goated for that actually

[fresh basalt]

It really depends on the size of the LLM.

I've use Mistral OpenOrca 7B in GPT4All and I've had to correct it a lot.

[foggy jungle]

chatGPT generated regex crashed our infrastructure

[glossy niche]

like i just have an algorithm or forumla that i dont want to install a library for and implementing it takes too long, so i just ask an LLM to generate it for me, i dont have to worry much about correctness because i can just throw solved examples at it

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/john-roblox-laugh-gif-22520624

[fresh basalt]

I'd say somebody not checking the GPT-generated regex crashed your infrastructure.

[glossy niche]

to be fair, i had my co workers do that with regex too

[fresh basalt]

always need to sanity check

[graceful basin]

Yeah, I often just use it for like... opencv/pyautogui stuff

[glossy niche]

like executing arbitrary regex in the fucking mongo query right away

bro

[graceful basin]

I am not reading your awful unpythonic APIs

[foggy jungle]

git commit -am "Sending it."
git push origin HEAD

[glossy niche]

not only did it open a DDoS opportunity

[fresh basalt]

yeah bud

[glossy niche]

but it also crashed the whole service on invalid regexes

[foggy jungle]

To be fair, it looked correct.

[glossy niche]

because someone hasnt learned about error handling

[glossy niche]

all regexes look wrong

[fresh basalt]

Everything is cake @foggy jungle

[foggy jungle]

The specific feature chatGPT tried to use in the regex wasn't supported with what we were doing.

YARA's regex engine does not support look-ahead/look-behind.

[glossy niche]

oh, different ragox flavor?

[foggy jungle]

Which chatGPT had utilized.

[fresh basalt]

human failure

[glossy niche]

regex how the hell did i typo that in

[fresh basalt]

get rid of the weak link

[foggy jungle]

ragox

[fresh basalt]

sounds like a caveman

[graceful basin]

protip: you can ask the LLM to generate code that tests its own regex

[fresh basalt]

I asked an LLM to generate the steps we need to research in order to get to the Alcubierre drive.

That was interesting.

I like asking LLM fantastical questions and seeing what it makes up.

[glossy niche]

ngl half of my chats with LLMs are just me trying to figure out a hyperspecfic term for something because i despise ambiguity

gotta use the corrects words for everything

[fresh basalt]

I wonder how many parameters Bing Chat has.

[graceful basin]

isn't it just lobotomised GPT4

[fresh basalt]

I don't know.

I don't know how big GPT4 is either and OpenAI won't say because sEcReTs

[fresh basalt]

The largest I've gotten to use on my machine is 13B with koboldcpp but it's slow

I want Jarvis.

[glossy niche]

whats your machine? specs?

[fresh basalt]

r9 5900hs, 16GB RAM, RTX 3060 6GB

it's a zephyrus

One of the coolest machines I've ever owned.

first time I've gotten >15fps in a game

well regularly at least

[glossy niche]

oh those are strong specs lol