Bias just linearly changes the output
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
jovial oriole
glossy niche
well yes
its just another input to the next layer
in this case at least
the only different between it and the other inputs, is that this one is learned via back propagation
as opposed to being part of the training data
this is for this neural network, im not aware of anything that generalizes over this 
lament cairn
I think the key difference here is while humans have a wide variety of experiences, senses and knowledge that can be applied in their creative process, genAI models only have whatever was used as their training data. they're purpose-built, while humans aren't
though that brings up the question: does genAI still count as "creativity" because it is, in some way, taking those human experiences and learning about them?
I'll have to think a bit more about that
gritty zinc
I think the key difference here is while humans have a wide variety of experienc...
instructions clear. going to lock some babies up in my basement and only feed them a carefully curated training set. as they do not have general knowledge or a lot of experiences, they are not humans, and so the work I put them to when they grow up is not slavery :p
lament cairn
of course I didn't think of the tiniest nuances, oh no
gritty zinc
there's a reason i cross that out (because it's a joke), but it has a grain of truth in that every time I see someone try to propose a definition that draws a clean line between humans and even currently existing AI (much less hypothetical future AI), this definition has loopholes one can drive a truck through.
lament cairn
true, it's really hard (I'd argue impossible) to define it precisely
graceful basin
the real distinction is that a human a mortal, a sizable matrix of parameters is not. /j
quaint elm
If you delete the matrix: is it dead?
graceful basin
it is said that humans die twice, once when they die, and a second time when they are forgotten. Only the second death is applicable to anything digital. /j
lament snow
One things for sure, AI really is going to bring up a whole lot of moral questions that society isn't ready for
mental isle
๐
torn cedar
hola soy dora
mental isle
@dusky turret let's continue the convo here
It started by mocking JavaScript now we've reached deep topics like this xD
torn cedar
<@189386465904558080> let's continue the convo here
do i have ur permision to take the mick out of ur name for lols
mental isle
Ofc!
torn cedar
Ofc!
you know i like ur name but i dont think u can yield from something that doesnt exist
mental isle
Excusez-moi?
dusky turret
hello
dusky turret
It started by mocking JavaScript now we've reached deep topics like this xD
its all because of u
dusky turret
just saying
dusky turret
i will never forgive u
torn cedar
its all because of u
woh its js a conversation lol
torn cedar
i will never forgive u
:0 the drama
mental isle
```TigranBrain.language = "en"```
xD don't worry mon franรงais est mal (my French is bad) โ I only know a few words
mental isle
I'm on my phone T-T
torn cedar
sorry lemme fix that error
mental isle
also HEY are you trying to manipulate me?
torn cedar
TigranBrain.mood = "TouchscreenWarrior"
torn cedar
also HEY are you trying to manipulate me?
Noooo........
mental isle
```TigranBrain.mood = "TouchscreenWarrior"```
I think it's better to use a context manager in case an error occurs during the process
dusky turret
```TigranBrain.mood = "TouchscreenWarrior"```
touchscreen warrior LOL
mental isle
Guys, how does your touch-screen handwriting look like?
torn cedar
TigranBrain.endProcess(reason="Why not")
torn cedar
Trigran, like three Tigrans?
torn cedar
Trigran, like three Tigrans?
no i suck at spelling
mental isle
Guys, how does your touch-screen handwriting look like?
Mine looks like this
torn cedar
also i upgraded u
dusky turret
Tigran.upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade()
.upgrade().upgrade().upgrade()
.upgrade()
dusky turret
Guys, how does your touch-screen handwriting look like?
ooo handwriting...
mental isle
Tigran.upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade()
It's unpythonic to return the same object after executing a method on it!
dusky turret
i thought typing
dusky turret
It's unpythonic to return the same object after executing a method on it!
it's mutable comon
like .reverse on list
torn cedar
It's unpythonic to return the same object after executing a method on it!
by upgrading the upgrade arent u upgrading a new object instead of the original
torn cedar
wouldnt that waste Tigrans valuable 512kb of ram
dusky turret
u mean mutable types normally dont return themselves
if they operate on themselves
smart
so
tigran is immutable
problem solved
torn cedar
groundbreaking
dusky turret
groundbreaking
^
mental isle
by upgrading the upgrade arent u upgrading a new object instead of the original
So like you recreate me from scratch then rip my older version apart atom-by-atom?
dusky turret
So like you recreate me from scratch then rip my older version apart atom-by-ato...
no
torn cedar
So like you recreate me from scratch then rip my older version apart atom-by-ato...
if u mean byte by byte sure
dusky turret
more like having your old self as a base
mental isle
tigran is immutable
Indeed, I don't change. Every day of my life is the same and I don't do anything productive. Me being immutable explains everything ๐ฅฒ
dusky turret
u can stay after the upgraded version is ready though
of course the garbage collector will collect the old u eventually
dusky turret
Indeed, I don't change. Every day of my life is the same and I don't do anything...
๐ค
mental isle
of course the garbage collector will collect the old u eventually
I'm scared, does the garbage collector hurt you?
dusky turret
I'm scared, does the garbage collector hurt you?
nah it just collects u
dont worry
just collects
thats all
mental isle
His garbage-collecting tool isn't sharp, is it?
dusky turret
u won't exist afterwards though
torn cedar
then shreds the very information that makes up u as a whole to disperse into the universe
dusky turret
then shreds the very information that makes up u as a whole to disperse into the...
shhhhhhhhhhhhh
dusky turret
What'd I do? :(
its not that u're bad
its that um...
your upgraded version is just um
better
mental isle
Can we just use C to just memmove the upgraded version into myself?
torn cedar
That I don't
Ummm well it can utilise 4x as much ram for a start
So about double the IQ
torn cedar
Can we just use C to just memmove the upgraded version into myself?
Too lazy
dusky turret
Can we just use C to just memmove the upgraded version into myself?
well.. we could
but u know... C
ew
mental isle
Ummm well it can utilise 4x as much ram for a start
So about double the IQ
Double of 0 is still 0
torn cedar
Double of 0 is still 0
Well ur old model could only utilise 512kb
Now you can use approximately 2000
dusky turret
yea also that
more bytes
just dont give us much trouble and let the garbbage collector collect u
its a pain to have a memory leak
mental isle
Imagine not knowing powers of two by heart sms my head
dusky turret
dont do it to us
mental isle
I'm going to hide in the swapfile! YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME, MUAHAHAHAHA! I WILL CAUSE A PAGE FAULT AND THE MEMORY MANAGER WON'T HANDLE IT, WHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
torn cedar
Imagine not knowing powers of two by heart sms my head
Power pf 2 my ass i will put u on a hardrive and hold a mqgnet underneath it
mental isle
told the garbbage collector
It can't, though. That's not how virtual memory works ๐ค
dusky turret
It can't, though. That's not how virtual memory works ๐ค
garbage_collector.upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade().upgrade()
now it can
mental isle
Power pf 2 my ass i will put u on a hardrive and hold a mqgnet underneath it
... โ 512 โ 1024 โ 2048 โ ... it's not that hard sms my head
/j
torn cedar
... โ 512 โ 1024 โ 2048 โ ... it's not that hard sms my head
Damn you know that magnet lookin nice
Also i said apporximately bcs even yo. Upgraded version isnt competent enough to keep up ๐
Ofc im joking...
Or am i
dusky turret
i guess we have no choice
i didn't want to resort to this
oldTigran = Tigran
Tigran = Tigran.upgrade()
del oldTigran
mental isle
It's del oldTigran sms my head
dusky turret
oh thanks
dusky turret
i want a method to determine the speed
mental isle
What speed
mental isle
Speed of light, I guess?
dusky turret
or 4.5x
mental isle
Ohh you mean like changing it?
torn cedar
Speed of light, I guess?
Ok 3x10^8
mental isle
self.opacity = 0 my dream
mental isle
Just say 3 cm ._.
dusky turret
bad constructing design
quaint elm
that would be imperial measurements.
mental isle
that would be imperial measurements.
๐๐ช
torn cedar
0.1-10
Mayne keep the base measurement in milimitres and have a addheight function add height in qhatever measurement u want and do the conversion
mental isle
It would be cool if Python had support for units
torn cedar
So like `person.addHeight(10, "inches")
dusky turret
oo
mental isle
So you could do like time.sleep(100ms) instead of time.sleep(0.1)
mental isle
So you could do like time.sleep(100ms) instead of time.sleep(0.1)
Variables can't start with numbers anyway so..
dusky turret
Variables can't start with numbers anyway so..
a cool feature would be that if u type 100x it is being interpreted as 100 * x
mental isle
Units better >:(
dusky turret
i mean for every variable
mental isle
UNITSSSSSS >:((((
dusky turret
we ain't gonna do it for units i'm sorry
mental isle
what if you did 100xx, would it be a variable called xx or x * x
dusky turret
xx
only if its int
and then variable
or variable and then int
literal int
100ms
1000k
1t
torn cedar
Units better >:(
Maybe we can add types for function inputs like thay
So 100 is an int
But 100ms is milliseconds type
mental isle
Also if you did that some people would do pipi for pi**2 which is UNETHICAL!
dusky turret
Also if you did that some people would do `pipi` for `pi**2` which is UNETHICAL!
no
only literal numbers
12OMG
2O23
2 * O * 23
mental isle
Oh come on it's only 1 character literally just an asteriskkkkkkkk
dusky turret
Oh come on it's only 1 character literally just an asteriskkkkkkkk
ugly
bbad design
garbage collector!
hi im garbage collector how can i help today?
dusky turret
time.sleep(100*ms)
mental isle
:(
mental isle
You are mean, and unprogressive, you are a traditionalist, holding everyone back!
..wait, did I just describe C
dusky turret
You are mean, and unprogressive, you are a traditionalist, holding everyone back...
? no
i'm Modern
mental isle
Ofc ofc
dusky turret
Maybe we can add types for function inputs like thay
So 100 is an int
But 100ms...
need to recreate the interpreter
garbage collector! interpreter!
hi, how can i help..
JUST CLEAN
GARBAGE AMCHINE
but my bag is filled with dust, i have no space
?
.>
i'm gonna fire the person who programmed u
u programmed me
DONT ANSWER ME
mental isle
>>> import gc
>>> from pathlib import Path
>>>
>>> Path(gc.__file__).unlink()
>>> del gc
(And don't tell me gc doesn't have a __file__ attribute!)
mental isle
gc (garbage collector) is gone now :D
dusky turret
...
mental isle
Reduced to atoms! :DD
mental isle
SHHHH
mental isle
Garbo? Seriously? ๐
mental isle
Okay fine..
import heaven
import earth
earth.gc = heaven.gc
del heaven.gc
dusky turret
master
i saw... i was in a tunnel
what
garbo
this guy was the one who deleted u and sent u to heaven @tigeran
mental isle
It's Tigran not tigeran xD
dusky turret
go get him!
mental isle
It's my irl name
dusky turret
garbo kills tigraran
mental isle
Stop misspelling my name please ;-;
mental isle
It's okay garbo
dusky turret
garbo still mad
mental isle
It's 3:55 AM what am I doing with my life
dusky turret
It's 3:55 AM what am I doing with my life
๐
u're having a conversation with a garbage collector
i mean...
thats not too insane
mental isle
tnmumtjse, a metaquestion, what time is it for you over there?
dusky turret
1:56 am
mental isle
So you're two hours behind me
dusky turret
1 hour and 59 minutes apparently
mental isle
I guess you're from some European country
mental isle
Oh alright, people with that timezone I meet are typically from Europe
dusky turret
or its +4 gmt
mental isle
That's a common thing, don't worry
dusky turret
where's that
mental isle
It's like inbetween Europe and Asia
dusky turret
It's like inbetween Europe and Asia
oo so u live close to me
mental isle
It's in the middle of the Black sea and the Caspian sea, north to Iran, south to Georgia, east to Turkey and west to Azerbaijan
Here's a map from google images
mental isle
I heard of the situation in your country, I hope you, your friends, your relatives and people you know in general are safe
dusky turret
I heard of the situation in your country, I hope you, your friends, your relativ...
the situation is hard
but we're used to such stuff anyway xD
there's a new war/whatever every year or 2 years
i think in average we experience rockets more than fireworks haha
mental isle
Yeah but this one is pretty intensive, the others are mostly just minor clashes, no?
dusky turret
sometimes yes sometimes no
i think this is the majorest thing in the last 20 years eprhaps
or since 2006?
actually
probably the hardest war since i was born
i'm 29
mental isle
Oh wow.. I'm 15, you're almost double my age
mental isle
You seem much younger, how do you do that?
dusky turret
um... good question, haven't thought about it
but its a compliment i guess so thanks
mental isle
I, of course, don't mind your age, but fyi I started reading your messages in a different voice in my mind now
dusky turret
well we all imagine stuff
solemn tulip
I suspect people assume people are close-ish in age to them by default
mental isle
I suspect people assume people are close-ish in age to them by default
That sounds about right
dusky turret
i've had friends who were 30 when i was 16 as well
and i guess its not normal usually
had 13 too
so i dont judge people by their age
solemn tulip
I, of course, don't mind your age, but fyi I started reading your messages in a ...
(in a trembling voice of a dying man)
mental isle
I'm actually turning 16 in 7 days but I don't want to because
-
The pandemic had stolen 2 years from our lives and f##ed up our sense of time.
-
I wholeheartedly HATE 16-year-olds
dusky turret
(in a trembling voice of a dying man)
๐
i also meant in real life
not just in pc
mental isle
(in a trembling voice of a dying man)
No no no, I swear it's not like that
dusky turret
over the internet i guess it's kind of normal
dusky turret
I'm actually turning 16 in 7 days but I don't want to because
1. The pandemic h...
u live in a generator
that u get 2 sht years and 1 good year
and that cycle repeats itself
mental isle
Do you, non-teenagers, also experience the feeling of looking at yourself from one year ago and kinda finding it cringy?
Please say yes please say yes
Please
dusky turret
i think time goes faster for me than when i was 16 for example
mental isle
Yeah it's a common thing
It's because you're already used to what's happening around you
mental isle
Oh thank goodness
mental isle
It's because you're already used to what's happening around you
The solution is trying out new things but I do know that not everyone has the opportunity to do so
mental isle
Awesomesome
dusky turret
also as i said though
u might find it weird
but if we talked and had fun
and i'm 29 and u're 15
then perhaps some other guys my age would find it also fun to conv with u
mental isle
Yeah I find it completely normal tbh
You just have to talk about normal topics (I'm saying this as if we were talking about "normal" topics xD)
dusky turret
bbut if u put them in a spot that u think they're dying people and offer to help them to cross the street
mental isle
But you get my point
mental isle
bbut if u put them in a spot that u think they're dying people and offer to help...
Oh come on, 29 is still not that old
Not even "old"
dusky turret
yea and um
mental isle
Sure, you might feel TV static in your eyes if you stand up too quickly but that doesn't make you old
dusky turret
Sure, you might feel TV static in your eyes if you stand up too quickly but that...
hoiw did u know
mental isle
Do you remember yourself at 15?
dusky turret
yea
mental isle
If you could go back and tell him sth, what'd you tell?
mental isle
You're the first person whom I saw answering that question that way
But it's a good answer
mental isle
Wdym by stuff? If you don't mind telling of course
dusky turret
if something is good, or bad
if it happened as i expected it to be
if after i got something i wanted
was it what i needed
xy problem sometimes happens in real life i guess
dusky turret
thanks, you too :)
mental isle
Thank you :)
mental isle
Well, I'm somewhat uncertain. But right now I find this programming thing fun and it's my hobby. I'm honestly so grateful I found a hobby which can also be a profession, not many people my age could say the same
dusky turret
i started programming probably at 13
but more serious at like 16 i guess
but u're 10000 levels above how i was at 16 probabbly
mental isle
xy problem sometimes happens in real life i guess
Btw, regarding this topic. In every "need" there is also a "want". Technically, you only need food, shelter, and sleep. But I'm definitely sure you consider more things as "needed"
And different people consider different things as actually "needed"
dusky turret
Btw, regarding this topic. In every "need" there is also a "want". Technically, ...
well, i meant needed to solve the problem
mental isle
but u're 10000 levels above how i was at 16 probabbly
Oh I'm not 100% sure but considering there's so many resources nowadays it's definitely much easier to learn and experiment
dusky turret
Oh I'm not 100% sure but considering there's so many resources nowadays it's def...
yea i experimented like a caveman
dusky turret
And different people consider different things as actually "needed"
if u question what are my essentials, i think for me its pretty simple
it might sound naive though
i think i wouldn't wake up in the morning if no one would believe in me, or have a potential need for me
so if i wake up in the morning, i have a purpose
i think those 2 things are all i need
mental isle
yea i experimented like a caveman
I mean, after stone ages came the bronze age, but after bronze age came the iron age, so I assume it's also going to be much better 10 years later than it is today
torn cedar
Hello
mental isle
i think i wouldn't wake up in the morning if no one would believe in me, or have...
That is actually very reasonable
torn cedar
Wat the fuckoroni are yall on abt
mental isle
Feeling needed is enough to make you feel like you belong somewhere
dusky turret
Wat the fuckoroni are yall on abt
we decided that its time
mental isle
And honestly I kind of feel inferior to those around me often and I hate it :/
torn cedar
we decided that its time
Im scared
mental isle
Idk why
torn cedar
Time 4 wat
mental isle
Time 4, yes, it is 4:29 AM
torn cedar
And honestly I kind of feel inferior to those around me often and I hate it :/
Yeah mental health is on the down low 4 me
dusky turret
I mean, after stone ages came the bronze age, but after bronze age came the iron...
yea
torn cedar
WHAT
mental isle
This guy has school tomorrow!
dusky turret
And honestly I kind of feel inferior to those around me often and I hate it :/
i can understand that
mental isle
I imagined a dog called Garbo xD
torn cedar
This guy has school tomorrow!
I have school om tiesday cause inset day
dusky turret
I imagined a dog called Garbo xD
xD
mental isle
i can understand that
I don't even know if it's a typical adolescence thing or an actual problem, but I feel like I miss out on a lot of things
It's kind of complicated, but I'm isolating myself from others and I don't even know why
But the feeling of inferiority also makes me overly perfectionistic, and it helps with programming, so... /j
dusky turret
But the feeling of inferiority also makes me overly perfectionistic, and it help...
yea i know this symptom quite well
no joke though xD
torn cedar
I have some fucked.up mental.health issues bcs of my autism it screws up my thougts
Its like an entity whisperinf bad thoughts all day no matter what i do hey wont go away
dusky turret
But the feeling of inferiority also makes me overly perfectionistic, and it help...
a lot of people like u
maybe a lot is exaggerating
but i've known some
the sort of people that if i call them stupid
they feel bad about it
mental isle
I'm a totally different person during a conversation and when I'm alone
And I wish it wasn't that way
dusky turret
And I wish it wasn't that way
u relate to what i typed?
torn cedar
I'm a totally different person during a conversation and when I'm alone
I reรฑate to this on a spirituaรฑ level
dusky turret
torn cedar
My masking means no one knows who i truly am
mental isle
https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/1193714052585...
Actually yeah, when people say something like that to me I can hear them saying that in my mind all day, and I can even point at the exact place where that person said that and with what kind of intonation
So if I had to answer with a y/n I'd say yes
dusky turret
Its like an entity whisperinf bad thoughts all day no matter what i do hey wont ...
hard for me to know what to do haha
dusky turret
Actually yeah, when people say something like that to me I can hear them saying ...
what if i say um
ugly or something
would u get insulted
torn cedar
would u get insulted
I would internaรฑise it for about 3 weeks then proceed to remember it 4 yrs later and internalise it again
๐
dusky turret
I would internaรฑise it for about 3 weeks then proceed to remember it 4 yrs later...
xD
mental isle
would u get insulted
I mean it's not far from the truth
dusky turret
why u use those weird letters
mental isle
They use a Spanish keyboard
dusky turret
I mean it's not far from the truth
but lets say u were very "pretty" i dont know how to say it in english
and u'd be called ugly
would u be insulted... try to imagine it
dusky turret
like u'd get mad?
mental isle
I'm peaceful
I'd "eat the slap" and just feel bad about it
Dang I feel indignity typing out stuff like that..
But it's the truth
dusky turret
is there a difference between ugly and stupid for u
dusky turret
Yeah รฑ is right by l
uh
torn cedar
uh
Intimidation technique: รฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรฑรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรรร
mental isle
is there a difference between ugly and stupid for u
Ofc there is
Ugly = below the average standards of physical appearance
Stupid = below average standards of smartness and intelligence
I guess?
dusky turret
Ofc there is
Ugly = below the average standards of physical appearance
Stupid =...
in feeling
mental isle
Ohh
Well I mean.. ugly feels more truthy than stupid even though I'd say I'm both xD
dusky turret
Ohh
Well I mean.. ugly feels more truthy than stupid even though I'd say I'm bo...
would u feel the same way
mental isle
I'm not sure honestly, I'd probably be more offended by stupid since stupidity would be more of my fault than ugliness
And honestly I don't even care about my physical look, it isn't really useful to anyone but me
dusky turret
well yea i mean... i think i've got to know people with those properties i dont know if it is the right word to say
mental isle
People aren't going to remember you for the way you looked (unless you look absolutely terrible like minus infinity type of physical appearance)
But if you're not stupid, you can actually do something to contribute to your surroundings in a good way
dusky turret
i also know a common flaw they usually share
its not a big one
and maybe u dont have it
mental isle
What's that big flaw?
mental isle
Stop dragging it aroundddd plsssss I'm dying from curiosity now
dusky turret
when they find something new that's interesting and decide to focus on it
they let go of other stuff they focused on so far
and decide "this is the right thing to do"
mental isle
Hmm that's interesting
dusky turret
it can get very drastic too xD
mental isle
Oof sounds rough ๐ฌ
dusky turret
eg one day u decide grades dont matter and knowledge is the most important thing
well... i can't say if u're like this obviously
but its a thing i've seen that repeats itself...
in people that i find with this similar properties or whatever >.>
mental isle
Yeah I get it.. also stop being overly cautious with your words haha
dusky turret
i dont wanna sound like a reader in the coffee
i dont know haha
i'm in general very cautious anyway
mental isle
Same :p I noticed how you edited your messages with minor mistakes (e.g. did taught โ did teach), I do that too
dusky turret
if u want i can introduce u to a friend of mine, who also shares the same thoughts as u in my opinion...
he's 20 now i think
dusky turret
Same :p I noticed how you edited your messages with minor mistakes (e.g. `did ta...
haha
mental isle
Sorry I got a DM
dusky turret
sure
mental isle
Hmm... I dunno, we could make a gc with the three of us but it'd feel awkward otherwise I think
You know my type.. :P
mental isle
Ofc you can!
royal lakeBOT
dusky turret
this is not a job bulletin board
what
heavy trench
Laptop or desktop
low chasm
laptops are probably the most practical option for most people
uneven pine
Laptop for work, desktop for any and everything else
timid latch
They both have their pros and cons, it is entirely subjective
frosty walrus
@rough sapphire here
rough sapphire
Okay
frosty walrus
Learning from C++ helped me a lot on python
rough sapphire
Would u say learning a statically typed language as a beginner is better than python ?
frosty walrus
Would u say learning a statically typed language as a beginner is better than py...
yeah
rough sapphire
Learning from C++ helped me a lot on python
Like how ?
prime lagoon
I think what's best for a beginner is the language one clicks in for most.
frosty walrus
Like how ?
cus it will help u in understand your programs in terms of memory. Also, statically typed language helps u in catching bugs๐
prime lagoon
G'MIC is my first lang, C++ second, and Python third, and C# fourth. I only use Python and G'MIC nowadays though.
frosty walrus
rn i'm not getting any examples
rough sapphire
cus it will help u in understand your programs in terms of memory. Also, statica...
Seen people saying programs can be written in different ways and that leads to lots of problems as different devs works on these big projects. Like how to possibly write in the correct way and what does it mean.
Ik these all like so dumb questions lol ๐
prime lagoon
I do like how interpretative language can make coding easy just due to flexibility they offer
frosty walrus
Seen people saying programs can be written in different ways and that leads to l...
fun fact now python is slowly becoming static typed
thick osprey
You don't write it the "correct" way. You write it the way that works for what you need now.
spiral zephyr
There's really no right answers here, all I can tell you is to try a bunch of things and see what you prefer the most.
frosty walrus
I recently started using types in python
thick osprey
Experience teaches you how to write it in a way that is flexible and adjustable for what you need later.
rough sapphire
fun fact now python is slowly becoming static typed
With mypy ?
frosty walrus
With mypy ?
yup
frosty walrus
Experience teaches you how to write it in a way that is flexible and adjustable ...
i agree with u
spiral zephyr
Experience teaches you how to write it in a way that is flexible and adjustable ...
Or to write stuff that is simple enough (and contains tests) such that a rewrite is easy
thick osprey
Or to write stuff that is simple enough (and contains tests) such that a rewrite...
Yes. This above all else. Write what you need. Don't write for what you don't need. Keep it that simple.
frosty walrus
yeah๐
spiral zephyr
I resisted telling you what I like the most language wise because I feel like hearing more options will give you even more analysis paralysis @rough sapphire
Just start building stuff and let your curiosity guide you ๐
frosty walrus
I resisted telling you what I like the most language wise because I feel like he...
agree. I said him earlier that pick one language and master it
thick osprey
Pick the language that gives you a way to build what your project is. That's how I choose.
spiral zephyr
Pick the language that gives you a way to build what your project is. That's how...
Are we talking work or personal projects?
thick osprey
Language/platform are one of the last things we discuss at work. I approach it the same for my personal projects.
rough sapphire
I resisted telling you what I like the most language wise because I feel like he...
Lol anyway say it.
I just feel like python is shit. That's making me not to build stuff on djnago. And since then I'm like reading a lot and asking people about all these.
Idk I just feel like python will die as a backend language like meteor ? Lol
frosty walrus
Lol anyway say it.
I just feel like python is shit. That's making me not to bu...
lol, have u heard about Fast API ?
spiral zephyr
If it's work an additional factor is also how well your colleagues can handle it. I always think about this "what if I dissapear, can my colleagues maintain this?"
rough sapphire
lol, have u heard about Fast API ?
Yep read about that and Flask too.
frosty walrus
If it's work an additional factor is also how well your colleagues can handle it...
are u senior developer?
spiral zephyr
This limits my options at work to Python + Typescript which are both fine
frosty walrus
Hmm i also uses python + Typescript
thick osprey
Lol anyway say it.
I just feel like python is shit. That's making me not to bu...
Python might die. We can always hope that python2 dies sometime... soon... please.
But it's still a worthy language for the current choice pool.
spiral zephyr
are u senior developer?
I have the least years of experience but I do most of the harder technical challenges on my team
rough sapphire
Language/platform are one of the last things we discuss at work. I approach it t...
I get it. But as a complete beginner companies and startups would prefer only if ik their particular language and I must be the best in it right ?
frosty walrus
I have the least years of experience but I do most of the harder technical chall...
awesome buddy
spiral zephyr
Lol anyway say it.
I just feel like python is shit. That's making me not to bu...
Python is not shit, it's a fantastic language for various reasons I could go in to if you want. There's other stacks aside from Django you could use if that's not your thing.
thick osprey
I get it. But as a complete beginner companies and startups would prefer only if...
When you work on larger teams (more than 1 person and up) you start to limit available choices based on previous choices.
But Python is still very much used across the fields far and wide.
spiral zephyr
What I (currently) enjoy writing the most is pure functional Scala but that's not something you can reasonably expect to do at work ๐คท
thick osprey
It still teaches you programming. Even if it isn't the daily driver.
low chasm
What I (currently) enjoy writing the most is pure functional Scala but that's no...
tfw Jane street
spiral zephyr
Also not really suitable for beginners. I'd say Python is the most suitable language for beginners simply because it has great documentation.
low chasm
Ironically I feel like the official documentation could use some improvement
rough sapphire
Python is not shit, it's a fantastic language for various reasons I could go in ...
Would u say Golang is anyway better than python ?
spiral zephyr
Ironically I feel like the official documentation could use some improvement
You mean the official Python tutorial? Or the library docs + API refs?
thick osprey
Most documentation needs improvement if you aren't familiar with it or the author.
spiral zephyr
Would u say Golang is anyway better than python ?
"Is X better than Y" is always a matter of personal opinion. You should try both Golang and Python and decide.
rough sapphire
But Python is still very much used across the fields far and wide.
What framework would u suggest to learn first in python ?
Does learning one framework help in learning the other ?
spiral zephyr
Personally I would never write Go in a personal project, I don't think I'd derive any joy from it whatsoever.
If I'm added to a team doing something with Go, sure I'd use it. It's fine.
thick osprey
What framework would u suggest to learn first in python ?
Does learning one fra...
Don't pick a framework to start. Pick a project and learn what it takes to build that project. That's more valuable than working the learning from the other direction.
low chasm
You mean the official Python tutorial? Or the library docs + API refs?
the latter
thick osprey
Mmm, a sweet little website driven by Golang templates and htmx. 
spiral zephyr
Fan of htmx conceptually but I'd do it in Python or Scala ๐
Go seems like a very procedural and loud language
thick osprey
I find it enjoyable and fun.
rough sapphire
Would u say that Js, python, golang are the best languages for backend ? Can u compare among these too ?
thick osprey
You're missing c# and several others.
spiral zephyr
I rarely write any comments (unless it's necessary) because my style is that the code should be declarative and the code should convey the intent etc etc
But I can honestly understand why people love Go
Just not for me
Hence why I think they should just try it out and see what they like
rough sapphire
You're missing c# and several others.
Read somewhere it's mostly best for windows related stuff and cool startups are anyway not building on C# and Java ? ๐
thick osprey
Read somewhere it's mostly best for windows related stuff and cool startups are ...
C# is widely used
real oak
Switching languages is easy. But if you only have very shallow understanding of programming and languages it will be hard.
rough sapphire
C# is widely used
Yeah but mostly boring companies ? And windows stuff ? Not any new hot startups right ?
real oak
I was a C++ pro for 9 years. Switched to python. It was perfectly fine.
thick osprey
Yeah but mostly boring companies ? And windows stuff ? Not any new hot startups ...
My comment was agnostic of the subjective "boring" and "cool" labels.
You use the tool that fits the job.
real oak
We hired several people who were "java programmers". It was fine. In fact they were just good programmers.
thick osprey
You don't pick a tool then decide what you'll do with it.
rough sapphire
I was a C++ pro for 9 years. Switched to python. It was perfectly fine.
I get it what u guys saying just wanted to learn the best among this as my first one. ๐ ๐
spiral zephyr
That's not how it works
rough sapphire
You don't pick a tool then decide what you'll do with it.
Makes sense ๐ ๐
spiral zephyr
It's best to just log off now and just write code
real oak
I get it what u guys saying just wanted to learn the best among this as my first...
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
rough sapphire
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
That has always been a problem with me ngl
real oak
Don't be that guy in Spaceballs who is always preparing ;)
real oak
That has always been a problem with me ngl
It is for most people I think.
thick osprey
I get it what u guys saying just wanted to learn the best among this as my first...
The best thing you can do is go make mistakes while learning code. Have fun writing a project and have fun overcoming the mistakes you make. It's a lifelong process that doesn't progress until you start doing it.
rough sapphire
The best thing you can do is go make mistakes while learning code. Have fun writ...
Got it! Thanks!
One more doubt
thick osprey
rough sapphire
Zipline an autonomous drone company has a career post of senior backend engineer fleet service: communication.
And they have posted the requirements as expertise in python, Go, c++.
And responsibilities include build and own services to comtrol and optimize fleet, work on scaling to control fleet of autonomous zips and work towards improving Microservices architecture.
So for this role do we need to know frameworks like djnago, gokit etc ?
https://www.flyzipline.com/careers/open-roles/5772290003
This is their career page.
rough sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/uncle-chan-one-more-thing-jackie-chan-jackie-jackie-chan-...
๐ ๐ญ๐
thick osprey
I miss that show. Gramps was the best.
rough sapphire
I miss that show. Gramps was the best.
Same used to watch it everyday when I reach back from school!
thick osprey
And responsibilities include build and own services to comtrol and optimize fleet, work on scaling to control fleet of autonomous zips and work towards improving Microservices architecture.
This is a beefy statement. It's far more than just frameworks and I understand why this is a senior position. There's more than code here. There's architecture, project management and development. Sounds like both software and infrastructure.
If I keep thinking about all that goes into that, I ask myself why this isn't a Staff Engineer position.
rough sapphire
Like what exactly we have to code in that position ? It doesn't involve these web development stuff right ?
thick osprey
Like what exactly we have to code in that position ? It doesn't involve these w...
A Strong Generalist Engineering mindset, ready to dive in and contribute across many facets of Ziplineโs software
"Everything" needed.
rough sapphire
Wdym by everything. Like can u list the topics I need to learn what all it includes ?
thick osprey
Expertise in Python, C++, Golang, or other object oriented languages
This speaks to me that someone in HR asked "what languages do you want" and the answer were these three with someone saying "object oriented". xD
rough sapphire
Also want to know the same about automobiles and other drones and stuff what exactly do we need to do?
I get it that one needs to know embedded low level for these kinda roles but what's the use of python for this ? For ML related stuff ? But the job role doesn't mentions it ?
thick osprey
I don't know what it would take to do what this company does. "Everything" is quite literally everything. Small scripts to automate deployments, reports, fix-ups, etc. Huge services that power data collect, websites, platforms, and more. There is no summary of what to learn. 9+ years of experience. You aren't afraid of new code and can learn what you need to learn.
rough sapphire
I don't know what it would take to do what this company does. "Everything" is qu...
Oh ok thanks!
mossy blade
as a complete beginner, you're not gonna get hired as a senior anything, focus on learning towards the end of developing your skills
Looking at job listings in a field that interests you can give you a sense of the kind of work that's out there for a competent programmer, but it's not going to be a road map to developing that competency
Python is an extremely beginner friendly language once you're comfortable utilizing its information resources: primarily, the documentation. the community is an important secondary source of information and knowledge
and of course, you can't forget the abandoned StackOverflow posts from twelve years ago
There's a surprising amount of information to be gleaned from ancient internet arguments in which a bunch of nerds insult each other over the best way to solve a particular problem
thick ore
Read somewhere it's mostly best for windows related stuff and cool startups are ...
just wanted to say
C# and the .NET ecosystem have evolved a lot since 2016
it is mostly cross platform and a joy to write things in
rough sapphire
Looking at job listings in a field that interests you can give you a sense of th...
Thanks! Focusing full on python by building some projects!
rough sapphire
C# and the .NET ecosystem have evolved a lot since 2016
But startups aren't taking up C# right ? Its mostly used for the old boring companies and for windows stuff ?
thick ore
But startups aren't taking up C# right ? Its mostly used for the old boring com...
maybe, most people still think that C# is windows only
they're stuck in 2013 :P
rough sapphire
maybe, most people still think that C# is windows only
Maybe lol.
solemn tulip
maybe, most people still think that C# is windows only
and if you start something new you have other fun alternatives in terms of languages
knowing MS, they likely tried to vendor lock stuff to windows intentionally to push people towards windows
and when it turned out a lot of development stayed or even moved to other platforms, they had to adapt and open up or .NET would die in ignominy
thick ore
daddy microsoft would never vendor lock the sharp
steady jacinth
What is the county seat of Iosco County, Michigan?
A: Au Sable
B: Tawas City
C: Whittemore
D: East Tawas
I was just testing out a question
limpid canopy
I probably
Have to
Talk alot here
Wait a minute
@steady jacinth hey pecky
Your here also??
steady jacinth
<@785778526703452162> hey pecky
I am!
limpid canopy
I didn't know you made games in Godot
New discovery ig
I am only here to grind enough messages to join the vc discussions
I have like a fuck ton of questions I wanna ask
dapper dew
You can ask the questions here, or in the text channel for the voice channel, for example #voice-chat-text-0
You can listen to the conversation and send messages there
dapper dew
I think you can achieve the same through text
heavy trench
What vpn do you guys have
mossy blade
I might learn Rust
mossy blade
What vpn do you guys have
I've used NordVPN for several years
tawdry owl
How I look asking people to try my Rubikโs solver codewars kata
heavy trench
I've used NordVPN for several years
why them
mossy blade
They're based in Switzerland, which has pretty strict laws about data privacy
they frequently have pretty good discounts
and I've read a lot of good reviews
solemn tulip
They're based in Switzerland, which has pretty strict laws about data privacy
NordVPN operates under the jurisdiction of Panama, as the country has no mandatory data retention laws and does not participate in the Five Eyes or Fourteen Eyes intelligence sharing alliances.
are you thinking of proton?
they are based in ๐จ๐ญ
lament cairn
14 eyes never heard of that
fervent dove
Hi guys, I'm writing a book about the life of a teenager and would like some insight on your guys' life. If anybody is interested to answer 5 short questions DM me!!
Preferably teenagers between the age of 16-18.
Don't worry this is all confidential and your discord tags wont be mentioned in my book. Unless you want it to of course
copper yarrow
Instagram subway surfers account is wild
The youtube account is just as wild
Found a random meme like 5 days ago and was suprised when i saw who uploaded it
pulsar heart
Watching a series set in the 60's and 70's.
civic pasture
hi ๐
pulsar heart
Can't believe people smoked in hospitals.
civic pasture
ewwww
pulsar heart
Makes me wonder what we do today that will be considered crazy in the future
civic pasture
being straight @pulsar heart
pulsar heart
Wait wut
harsh tundra
lurks
pulsar heart
I'm not sure about that. That's like, 25 years from now
civic pasture
Gen Z is a pioneer in gender fluidism
in 25 years baby boomers will be gone
paving a way to sexual renessaince
pulsar heart
Those are some pretty wild hypothesis tho
I was more referring to medical stuff
Like, we doing something we all think is innocuous
lament cairn
pulsar heart
But ends up being analogous to a doing a cancer stick in the hospital
lament cairn
Makes me wonder what we do today that will be considered crazy in the future
at some point, pretty much everything
pulsar heart
That's true
My bet is on cars
I think cars are a huge mistake
Even in my v small country, not one day goes by without at least one death
civic pasture
in 25 years we will be who the hell is still straight?!
lament cairn
I think cars are a huge mistake
eh only if cities shrink significantly will cars become a Weird Thing
instead of an Essential Thing
civic pasture
also in 25 years computers will be a thing of past
pulsar heart
in 25 years we will be who the hell is still straight?!
I mean, people don't really choose to be straight or not
wanton delta
Also in 25 years the earth is so 25 years ago
pulsar heart
eh only if cities shrink significantly will cars become a Weird Thing
I was in London last year, I was super impressed by the bike infrastructure. I had a much better time biking around then using a car.
pulsar heart
And London is huuuge
civic pasture
with the invention of flying saucer
pulsar heart
cars will also go away
Hopefully
civic pasture
only using electric power flying saucers will be a huge deal
tardy rain
Cycling in london is a death sentence
pulsar heart
Didn't have any problems, everyone was very civil
lament cairn
I wonder if a solution for EV batteries exploding will ever be found (other than not using EVs)
pulsar heart
Here I'd die if I tried the same thing.
tardy rain
Walking good tho
civic pasture
we wont need planes to travel from one place to another
flying cars will help us navigate long distances
like in the Jetsons
this is how you will dress up in 2050 @tardy rain
civic pasture
pulsar heart
In cities we should use bikes, intercity we should use trains and stuff. We shouldn't give sevwral ton vehicles to civilians for the same reason we don't let anyone fly an airplane.
civic pasture
in 2050 we will have vacuum cleaners like that @lament cairn
tardy rain
In cities we should use bikes, intercity we should use trains and stuff. We shou...
They do let anyone fly a plane tho
All you need is a license
brazen ingot
in 2050 we will have vacuum cleaners like that <@589779308063490055>
we already do
civic pasture
remember the vacumm cleaners from 4000 BC? @brazen ingot
brazen ingot
i do not no
pulsar heart
All you need is a license
It's much harder to get one for flying. 16 year olds can pass the drivers license
tardy rain
16 year olds can get a pilots license too, the hard part is paying for it
pulsar heart
I'm not too sure about that. Isn't flying a lot more complex ?
tardy rain
Not really, you take lessons just like you do with driving
Theres not really any "real" skill involved that would limit people from getting a license
civic pasture
do you remember the vacuum cleaners from 4000 BC? @pulsar heart
tardy rain
Just money and time
lament cairn
in 2050 there will be Edible hard drives
extend your brain knowledge
sometghing like that
near gull
I am gosling
pulsar heart
Theres not really any "real" skill involved that would limit people from getting...
Regardless, my point is that driving in general should be something people specialize in and not something anyone can do. Not that it is ideal or that it would ever be implemented, I just believe the status quo is very bad, you are pretty much guaranteed to get to your 40-50's, your only real concern is not get hit by a car.
civic pasture
I dont drive
pulsar heart
Me either
civic pasture
I dont have drivers license
lament cairn
depending on what country you live in, getting a drivers license can be way too easy
or you may not even need a drivers license to drive, as long as you don't get caught
pulsar heart
I dont have drivers license
Me either
near gull
How old are you guys
civic pasture
or he is not getting any of me
near gull
i 17
civic pasture
Im 35
lament cairn
18
civic pasture
Im old
pulsar heart
I'm 28
pulsar heart
Thanks
tardy rain
If you cant get around yourself youre not an adult
civic pasture
you look like a twink!
pulsar heart
you look like a twink!
So I've heard
lament cairn
near gull
bruv
civic pasture
bruvvvv
spare oriole
you look like a twink!
spare oriole
I used to be a twink
pulsar heart
If you cant get around yourself youre not an adult
I mean, I personally don't need to. I click some buttons and some dude shows up with my groceries. And I also remote.
civic pasture
hahahahah @spare oriole
spare oriole
If you cant get around yourself youre not an adult
that's a take of all times.
civic pasture
I will never be an adult
lament cairn
I've driven short distances with my parents - driving feels scary, I think I'll just use a bike
tardy rain
that's a take of all times.
Its right and you know it
spare oriole
Its right and you know it
people with mobility disabilities be like: 
near gull
35 no license sounds wild
tardy rain
The average person isnt disabled lol
spare oriole
and other disabilities as well
near gull
Are you american?
pulsar heart
I think that the threshold for adulthood is paying taxes.
Which is the only hard thing about adulthood imo
civic pasture
Im gay and yes I am american. Most gays suck at driving @near gull
spare oriole
35 no license sounds wild
most people in NYC don't need a license for example, there's lots of cities like that.
spare oriole
Im gay and yes I am american. Most gays suck at driving <@964963999827525652>
bruh.
lament cairn
I think the threshold for adulthood is whatever is defined legally
near gull
most people in NYC don't need a license for example, there's lots of cities like...
Still weird tome
spare oriole
The average person isnt disabled lol
you made a blanket statement.
near gull
Im gay and yes I am american. Most gays suck at driving <@964963999827525652>
not as bad as women
tardy rain
you made a blanket statement.
Its a generalisation, it applies to the general public, not the one exception you came up with
spare oriole
statitically women are better drivers than men
pulsar heart
This conversation is becoming weird.
tardy rain
Anyway taxes is too low a bar
lament cairn
yea
civic pasture
I get so nervous about driving
tardy rain
I know plenty of dudes that live in their moms basements
near gull
Or whatever its called
civic pasture
I almost had a heart attack the other day when my bf drove me in the snow
to work
I cant handle driving
near gull
No women can beat raikkonen ๐
pulsar heart
Anyway taxes is too low a bar
I think driving a car is even lower
tardy rain
Its not about driving a car its about being independent
near gull
he was my first crush
dont blame you bwoah
spiral zephyr
In cities we should use bikes, intercity we should use trains and stuff. We shou...
That's how it is where Iive ๐
civic pasture
He was the face of Tag Heur when I was in high school
I cant believe he is still racing
thats nuts
pulsar heart
Its not about driving a car its about being independent
Sure, but still, there's people who can get around but are not independent.
civic pasture
most of drivers around his era retired already
near gull
He was the face of Tag Heur when I was in high school
His ads are always funny. Im trying to get his haircut lol
tardy rain
Sure, but still, there's people who can get around but are not independent.
Being driven places is not it
civic pasture
damn
tardy rain
Take the bus, walk, bike
civic pasture
Are you Finnish?
near gull
Im Finnish too so ๐
spiral zephyr
In Europe at least infrastructure is good enough to survive without a car if you live in a town or small city
civic pasture
oh nice
pulsar heart
Being driven places is not it
Who's driven to places tho ?
civic pasture
why are you still awake
near gull
actually i look more like hakkinen young
civic pasture
REALLY?!
near gull
why are you still awake
I live in uk
pulsar heart
I use taxi when I have to and otherwise bike or use the train.
pulsar heart
All other stuff I just order.
civic pasture
the UK as well?
pulsar heart
where are you from? <@935270247366271027>
Portugal
spiral zephyr
bus + bike + train is more than enough for me
pulsar heart
Yes, land of the bacalhao
civic pasture
Niceeee
pulsar heart
bus + bike + train is more than enough for me
Where are you from
tardy rain
I was in wales recently visiting people and it reminded me of how much i hate suburbia
spiral zephyr
Where are you from
Belgium
civic pasture
Lisbon is gorgeous
BELGIUM CHOCOLATE
@spiral zephyr
and belgian waffle
thanks
low chasm
Cant do anything without a car
america moment
tardy rain
america moment
Lmao yes!
pulsar heart
Belgium
Awesome, I was thinking of spending a couple years in a place that has a bike centric culture.
tardy rain
I was telling the gf that it looks exactly like american urban sprawl
civic pasture
hahahahahhaha
spiral zephyr
Awesome, I was thinking of spending a couple years in a place that has a bike ce...
Then Dutch speaking Belgium works perfectly
civic pasture
oh not french? @spiral zephyr
spiral zephyr
They don't bike
civic pasture
lol
low chasm
you know they planned a big mall and stuff in my area, which would have been based, since there's like no infrastructure in the immediate vicinity of where I live, but decided to cancel that and build more houses instead
spiral zephyr
The terrain sucks
low chasm
there's a walmart, and some other grocery stores I suppose.
spiral zephyr
The north of the country is flat
low chasm
oh, we also have a kokee tea
civic pasture
french people has this pride that make them refuse to speak English to strangers
low chasm
oh, we also have a kokee tea
which has become everyone's default hangout spot and it's always crowded ๐ฅด
brazen ingot
someone's playing AC ๐
low chasm
oh, we also have a kokee tea
(boba store)
tardy rain
Based
civic pasture
but at least I dont pretend that I dont know English
low chasm
a dunkin/baskin robbin opened up too, my mom got mad at a student working there
spiral zephyr
I don't think French speaking people refuse, it's just that they don't know
Last week I was on a flight that had some very sus delays going on and I was seated next to French people. I translated everything from Eng -> FR for them because the intercom was Eng only
low chasm
a dunkin/baskin robbin opened up too, my mom got mad at a student working there
so she went in there to buy a banana split, and the guy confidently tells her there's no more bananas, with like, a bunch of bananas literally right behind him
tardy rain
Last week I was on a flight that had some very sus delays going on and I was sea...
Europeans not knowing english? Doubtful
spiral zephyr
Europeans not knowing english? Doubtful
As a European I can tell you this is very true
tardy rain
Strange
near gull
Yes us finns are most english speak country which country 1st language not english
spiral zephyr
My SO did an internship in Canada (Quebec) and had 3 roomates, 2 from France and 1 from Belgium (French speaking) and none of them spoke a lick of English
near gull
If you know what i mean
near gull
My SO did an internship in Canada (Quebec) and had 3 roomates, 2 from France and...
Unfortunate situation
civic pasture
its cuz they dont wanna learn @tardy rain
spiral zephyr
It's because they're with enough / their language is big enough to stay in a language bubble, just like English speaking countries
tardy rain
I dont think french is a big enough bubble to do that
spiral zephyr
As someone living in a nominally French speaking country
It is
They dub everything
tardy rain
Oh well, theyre only limiting themselves really
pulsar heart
We should make Europe a federated country and make Dublin the capital. Conquer the UK and assimilate Russia
near gull
dublin ๐คฃ full of old leprechauns drinking guiness
near gull
What goes on in dublin anyway
short people
tardy rain
Four leaf clovers and guinness?
near gull
yep
pulsar heart
I chose Dublin cuz Italy France and Germany already had their turn with empire building the continent.
near gull
I chose Dublin cuz Italy France and Germany already had their turn with empire b...
Switzerland has to be the obvious choice
so geneva?
pulsar heart
It is, but not part of the EU
spiral zephyr
Brussels ๐
near gull
It is, but not part of the EU
eu isnt europe
near gull
Brussels ๐
switzerland is much better/more important
pulsar heart
Right but it wouldn't be realistic for countries outside the EU to form into the federation
tardy rain
Land locked countries need not apply
pulsar heart
Not that the scenario is realistic anyway
near gull
Right but it wouldn't be realistic for countries outside the EU to form into the...
yeah it would
well some
like switzerland
pulsar heart
Didn't Switzerland have a referendum about this ? B4 the UK had the idea
near gull
And uk
near gull
Didn't Switzerland have a referendum about this ? B4 the UK had the idea
I dont think it has ever been apart of eu
pulsar heart
I dont think it has ever been apart of eu
Right, but they are a direct democracy and when it came to choose if they would enter the EU people voted no
pulsar heart
EU is very regulation heavy, would hurt their economy. Something like that
near gull
true and they already have good trade
so no point
And it would affect their banking industry
Regulations
pulsar heart
Wouldn't mind moving to Switzerland. Objectively beautiful country. The landscapes look amazing.
near gull
Definitely
brazen ingot
fractal broccoli
civic pasture
uwu
lament cairn
fractal broccoli
ooooo pretty
jovial oriole
fractal broccoli
We making it out of the complex plane with this one ๐ฃ๏ธ๐ฃ๏ธ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
sacred cove
fractal broccoli
What shape is that
civic pasture
Shape of my heart bro
civic pasture
lol
jovial oriole
Feds convincing pydis users that world outside of discord exists
meager sphinx
those liars
prime lagoon
Why? There isn't a case for choice anymore. We know that some are born that way, and some who do experience shifts out of their control. I was not born asexual as in my sexuality is in the graveyard more than a decade ago. A choice it was not, it just happened, no explanation can be found.