ot1-perplexing-regexing

[young shoal]

create zombie humans by creating another reference to it in the finalizer

[solemn tulip]

leaky allocations are basically lost souls

only reaped when the process exits

I guess soul goes better with reaping

[ruby fox]

Garbage collector lol?

Maybe we should consider what does it mean as "object is dead"

[young shoal]

it's not really a garbage collector in the normal sense 🤔. the OS just cleans everything up after a process exits

with some stipulations for zombie processes

[tulip falcon]

Garbage collection gets around to it when it feels like it, you might get turned into a fossil object or might degrade entirely

[ruby fox]

I mean, let's talk inside of a process, cause we can't control what os does to killed processes.

Let's keep the world limited to a python runtime

[ruby fox]

So, the objects that aren't getting destroyed by garbage collector get fossilised 🤔

[tulip falcon]

Primitive garbage collection process

[lament cairn]

[tulip falcon]

It's fossil dung

[ruby fox]

And ghosts posses living things 🤔, so ghost objects make the undestroyed objects act with thier parameters of the ghost object 🤔🤔

[tulip falcon]

Earth is running its own python process

Some objects it claims for fossil to be destroyed at end of runtime

When the sun process turns into a red giant

[solemn tulip]

speaking of living in a simulation

[ruby fox]

(it didn't blow my mind as the post says, but it blowed up someone's intestine)

[solemn tulip]

quantization is clearly floating point issues

[tulip falcon]

I experienced quantum entanglement

Of two objects which were never together in space time

Thought of my acquaintance and he texted me an hour later

after like two weeks since we talked

[ruby fox]

You don't me, i thought of a person, and he texted the next minute

[tulip falcon]

Let's just get an entanglement going and telepathically communicate , this texting is too slow

[ruby fox]

Guess what, i thought of a person after he messaged, does this mean quantum entanglement goes reverse in time too???

[tulip falcon]

Hopefully you thought of me 😊

entanglement,gg/python

[ruby fox]

🙂

[tulip falcon]

"Texting faster than light"

[ruby fox]

What would you do if I already predicted all your texts, im replying using that

[tulip falcon]

How do we know we got entangled?

[ruby fox]

We don't...

[solemn tulip]

(entanglement doesn't really help with communication much)

[young shoal]

it actually cannot help

[ruby fox]

Yes actually 😔, it would cool to control entanglement, we can communicate across universe with 0 lag

Forget GB per second, we will be measuring reality's frame rate

[civic pasture]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-considers-removing-x-platform-europe-over-eu-law-insider-2023-10-18/

[ruby fox]

He really don't care huh

[civic pasture]

Hiiii

[ruby fox]

Hi 👋👋

[ruby fox]

Hi 👋👋👋

Is he the same person 🤔

[glossy niche]

Somehow he manages to make me hate him more with every action he takes

Alr deactivated my twitter tho

The website keeps boosting fascists, its unusable now

[solemn tulip]

you must first entangle and transport said particles

and they are single use

[ruby fox]

Wormholes can work 🤔, after all the particle is very small, so we can open a wormhole that small

And transport the particle to other side

[solemn tulip]

if we have that why do we need entanglement to communicate?

[ruby fox]

We can't open wormholes everytime we need to communicate right? So just send the entangled particle there

[solemn tulip]

to send one potential bit?

[ruby fox]

Nah, it all depends how much time you spend to write data into the particle,

And how fast you can read from it

[solemn tulip]

that's not how it works 🥴

observing one fixes the other, entanglement broken

[ruby fox]

I was telling that if we can find a way to control entanglement like we need, we can do all this stuff

[lament cairn]

The European Union in August adopted the Digital Services Act (DSA), which sets forth rules for preventing the spread of harmful content, banning or limiting certain user-targeting practices, and sharing some internal data with regulators and associated researchers, among other things.

[solemn tulip]

control in what sense?

we know how to entangle stuff

but entanglement isn't some forever thing

[lament cairn]

He has to be joking -- unless that act is worse than it seems

[ruby fox]

Maybe I'm interpreting entanglement in a wrong way hmmm

[young shoal]

it's not that observing one sends state to the other particle

[solemn tulip]

well it kinda does

once

[jovial oriole]

Humans discovering a method to transmit information faster than C (god is not happy)

time to preach end of times

[gritty zinc]

me when I use rustls instead of openssl: i'm feeling a little blasphemous today

[jaunty wraith]

@gloomy tusk I thought that was in DMs

(also didn't notice that was in #community-meta)

also messed up the ping, sorry other rex

@high haven ^

[high haven]

???

^ thats on the other rex's behalf

[jaunty wraith]

thanks rex

[high haven]

other rex: yw

[jaunty wraith]

plot twist: it's your alt

[high haven]

alt-rex:

[ruby fox]

It's my alt 😔

[solemn tulip]

yank word

[honest star]

productive downtime while temp conditioning happens, got my work inbox from 650 items down to 250

[dapper dew]

Very nice

[solemn tulip]

"if more than 2-3 days old, archive without reading"

at least I have most of the worst spammy offenders filtered

one particular service has sent...142k emails

[honest star]

A lot of the emails I get are suuuuper in-depth technical discussion. So I like to keep it around until I have time to synthesize into my own notes

[jovial oriole]

Why the hell do washrooms at my school not get tp

[young shoal]

if they care then they should email again

[solemn tulip]

the mummies needed them

[tardy rain]

i need smol projector recommendations

ideally with builtin speakers

[high haven]

ok im done

[young shoal]

😩😩

[high haven]

also i just saw miltary

this is rex-level spelling

[young shoal]

military discount is reasonable I guess

ah

[sic]

[high haven]

not the [sic]

[lament cairn]

miltary

[low chasm]

@rough sapphire let's move here further sat discussion here

costs money to take it in general. Your school might pay for the first test, though - it varies.

[grave cove]

there are many dates to take it

schools often pay it for you

[low chasm]

whenever, there's a bunch of dates, yeah.

typically you'd take it in your junior year of high school

the more you take the sat, the better you'll get at it

you were a freshman, right? You've got a bit of time before needing to stress on it

[grave cove]

just stop then

it's ez

[low chasm]

a 1500 would make my year 🥺

[grave cove]

when I was a freshman in high school I was still an npc without sentience

[grave cove]

in curve we trust

[low chasm]

apparently the digital test is easier

so yay me

[grave cove]

rip curve

[low chasm]

my weak point, by far, is math

but that's probably just cramming

[young shoal]

hasn't changed

frosh 👎

[grave cove]

😭

[crystal spruce]

[next vessel]

Find a group of nerds people who have similar interests, for me it was marching band

There'll be jerks in any school as well

[tulip falcon]

I haven't done shit yet , a year of this is nothing, not like I went and killed terrorists

Hi @foggy jungle

[foggy jungle]

[high haven]

[distant hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127516513860063252/1163211660790607882/IMG_7238.jpg?ex=653ec047&is=652c4b47&hm=151f18c4f8c215aeabe773bd7730c607e8c180c98c4c2e926f661574b07efdbe&=&width=1096&height=1462

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127516513860063252/1163211661453295736/IMG_7239.jpg?ex=653ec047&is=652c4b47&hm=05017b83c9d53cd978176a23589fd960e270d89e8c8fe6b37080f955dbeb0a76&=&width=1096&height=1462

some of the goofiest faces i've seen from her

[high haven]

cute doggos

[wanton delta]

yes sacrifice your hand to the god spelled backwards

[vale raven]

If I poke I just get licked

[wanton delta]

does a fresh-out-of-bath dog smell like clean towel

[vale raven]

Wet dog is a terrible smell

[wanton delta]

even with shampoo and the like?

[vale raven]

Yes

Seriously
It’s a whole thing

[wanton delta]

routine baths and laundering
put him in the laundry wtf is this wording

💀

iron your dogs

https://tenor.com/bGskb.gif

this sentence is in a poor sequence

[pulsar berry]

AWWW

[latent wolf]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/3329064fc7da3454e976591a6908cff7d682a85

link ^^^

for coc

[twilit temple]

yippers

[latent wolf]

I will win 👿

[tropic ore]

yayy

[twilit temple]

probably, im rusty

||pun intended||

[latent wolf]

💀

what just happened

[twilit temple]

why does the timer freeze

[latent wolf]

idk

should I start it

[tropic ore]

when you left and rejoined it unfroze for me

[latent wolf]

same

[tropic ore]

yea

[twilit temple]

kinda buggy ngl

it works if i reload it just the right way

and ask nicely

[tropic ore]

oop-

[twilit temple]

dammit

typing BARLEY instead of BARELY cost me like 10 seconds

[latent wolf]

I did all lowercase

😭

[twilit temple]

i need to warm up with monkeytype

[latent wolf]

was wondering why it wasn't working

[latent wolf]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/33290705a50a2e9023de8a7b9b8f84558f638b0

start

[twilit temple]

bro is the flash

[tropic ore]

oof

[twilit temple]

they looked like uppercase to me

lmao

[tropic ore]

is he stil trying to understand..?

mos optimal solutin ```py
for _ in[0]int(input()):print(input().replace('ox'))

[tropic ore]

flow..?

[latent wolf]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/332907746df6c8311769c69966a6991363d6927

I was away

sorry

just got back

[tropic ore]

oki

[latent wolf]

@twilit temple

u there

[twilit temple]

no im here

[latent wolf]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/332907746df6c8311769c69966a6991363d6927

[twilit temple]

why am i so slow

maybe i just dont have enough clashing practice

[tropic ore]

ur consistenly 2nd..

which i think is betr than being 3rd

[latent wolf]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/3329082f8184b93a744a4d8ea5b60222fa1937b

@twilit temple @tropic ore

[twilit temple]

lmao, forgot negative nums

[tropic ore]

there's surewy a betr solutin than what i wrote

hmm

[twilit temple]

0else is valid??

[tropic ore]

t=int(input())
print('ftarlusee'[t%3<1::2]*(t>=0)or"no negative numbers")

[tropic ore]

0 else

but stuck togethr :3

[tropic ore]

nuu wait..

str(...).lower() is shortr

[twilit temple]

why are you golfing

this is a time challenge

[tropic ore]

i like to

[twilit temple]

lmao

[thick ore]

ftarlusee moment

[wanton delta]

This is hilarious
https://lerner.co.il/2023/10/19/im-banned-for-life-from-advertising-on-meta-because-i-teach-python/

[tulip falcon]

"Meta only retains data for 180 days" , Sounds like complete bullshit , coming from the company with Cambridge Analytica scandal

And still rated most aggressive/intrusive data collection

Plus I think you're required by US law to retain info longer than that

If they get a subpoena the data will magically be there

[tardy rain]

Lmao

Based animal based lib names

[wanton delta]

i personally think this is kinda shady, not allowing special characters (the symbols !@#$%^&*()_+=- etc)

what do you guys think

[tardy rain]

I think password rules often do much more harm than good

Length rules are ok, thats about it

[tulip falcon]

Sounds lazy and or shady

[dapper dew]

shazy

[wanton delta]

i agree

i'll probably make a throwaway

[tulip falcon]

Will the real Slim Shazy please stand up

[plush sun]

I feel like 16 characters is a little bit low

Probably not, on second thought

8 seems too low though

[thick ore]

challenge: write script to solve password challenge

games

like uhh

minecraft, cs, and stuff

counter strike?

W

easy

windows compatibility layer

😎

in pygame?

then it wouldnt technically be an operating system

yes but very hard

😟

testosterone????

into a computer??????????

[solemn tulip]

max length is pretty bs

I mean sure, something stupid large maybe

[tardy rain]

inb4 1000char password

[solemn tulip]

but I've seen limits at like 12

[tardy rain]

Banks?

Banks are always so sussy with their shit security policies

[solemn tulip]

possibly, I can't really recall where

[solemn tulip]

I mean, with a password manager I wouldn't really care

[tardy rain]

You wouldnt but i imagine the tech people behind it would

[solemn tulip]

why?

[tardy rain]

idk, just guessing

[solemn tulip]

they aren't storing it

or at least they shouldn't

they would store a hash

so what does it matter to them other than having to hash a slightly larger string

a limit at 256 or 1000 wouldn't really hurt anyone

[tardy rain]

🤷

I trust my password manager thingy

[high haven]

the congrats spit out confetti

[foggy jungle]

I made it

[high haven]

you made it

[foggy jungle]

I need to go find my Yubikeys and finish adding them to some crap that I don't really care about, but couldn't possibly suffer from having them paired.

[thick ore]

you guys don't save your passwords in a password.txt?

[high haven]

plain text gang

[thick ore]

and encrypt securely with rot13

[foggy jungle]

I host them on a static page on github pages.

That way I can get them anywhere.

[high haven]

.io

[thick ore]

link?

[high haven]

OP

[tardy rain]

Post-it on my monitor

[high haven]

classic

or better have it on one of those digital post-its

that way

[tardy rain]

Yes!

[high haven]

when you share your screen everyone can see

👏

[tardy rain]

Microsoft Sticky Notes ™

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfying-note-rhythm-pattern-sticky-gif-4617457

now i just need a feature that lets me do this but digitally

[young shoal]

I have all my job application sign up things on a single password

[ruby fox]

Imagine you had a rocket, with its name same as your password.

what's the rocket's name..?

🤔

[young shoal]

********

[ruby fox]

nah, thats your password, i didnt ask for that, give me your rocket's name 😇

let me ask another question, if your credit card's number is your soulmate's distance from you, tell us how far is your soulmate away from you?

😇

[lament cairn]

that reminds me
i should probably check up on my accounts passwords

itd be cool if like

one could use a phone as a passkey

probbly a bad idea?

[young shoal]

that's called 2 factor

[lament cairn]

but itd be cool
many phones have a good security chip in them anyway

[tardy rain]

My first dog was named Buster and my mom's maiden name is Jones

[ruby fox]

Thanks, now If the charge on your phone is same as the distance of me from you in metres, tell me how far am I from you?😇

[wanton delta]

Around 5 foot per deciliter

[ruby fox]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[tardy rain]

27 meters

Wait what

You're in my building?

[ruby fox]

always has been 😇

[ruby fox]

if your phone ever reaches 0%, you will see me very close

😇

[tardy rain]

I dont think i let my phone die

[ruby fox]

good 🙂

[harsh tundra]

Ah, yes, Polish politics
Although it's usually written with the space - ***** *** - but it's referred to as just "eight stars"

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/poland-brock-lesnar-scream-polska-poland-flag-gif-24793010

I heard the fart right lost in Poland so thats cool

[harsh tundra]

"fart right" sounds about right

[high haven]

same

[low chasm]

my phone dies occasionally

I don't charge it overnight 😔

[high haven]

classic

[harsh tundra]

They won't have majority in parliament (half seats), but idk about the "lost" as they still have the most seats

[high haven]

you need a power bank or something then

[glossy niche]

Yeah I saw the chart thing

[low chasm]

pshht, it works out

[harsh tundra]

Get a phone with good battery and fast charging 👍

[low chasm]

at school I just plug it into my chromebook

[glossy niche]

Parliamentary system

[jaunty wraith]

overnight charging 👍🏼

[high haven]

ok. inb4 youre stranded with a dead phone

jk

[high haven]

[low chasm]

I'm scared it'll explode

[jaunty wraith]

skill issue

[high haven]

???

[low chasm]

it's an irrational fear

[high haven]

¿

[glossy niche]

Most.phomes stop charging when full

[jaunty wraith]

just get over it, duh

[glossy niche]

I set my phone.up to stop at 85

[high haven]

mine does this

[low chasm]

yeah, it's not an issue, hence why it's irrational

mine does it too

[harsh tundra]

Nah. I read stuff or play mobile games before sleep.
<1h for full charge is magic

[low chasm]

I don't like sleeping near charging electronics or batteries

it's irrational, but I won't be able to sleep 🥴

[high haven]

bruh

[young shoal]

bruh

[jaunty wraith]

you know that messes up the sleep

[low chasm]

I'm on my phone before bed too lol

[young shoal]

imagine being on life support

[high haven]

tell aboo the digital ghosts will get him.

[jaunty wraith]

not that I have anything to say, because I do the same

[low chasm]

reading manga, some book, or whatever is part of my night routine 😤

[young shoal]

modern phones charge quickly to to about 80% then charge very slowly up to 100

[high haven]

better for battery life

[young shoal]

they also take into account your schedule of using it

yeah

[harsh tundra]

I already have messed up sleep. I can't fall asleep because my mind is racing.

It's been better lately, maybe because I'm drinking coffee (I make it not taste like coffee tho) - that would kinda self-medicate my possible-adhd

[high haven]

coffee

[edgy crest]

and sleep

[high haven]

drinking some rn

[young shoal]

I'm quite bad at sleeping actually

[tardy rain]

Skill issue

[low chasm]

skill issue

same braincell

[high haven]

same

[jaunty wraith]

sleep issue

[high haven]

why sleep

[low chasm]

I can sleep on coffee 😤

[high haven]

when you can not sleep

[jaunty wraith]

to charge

[tardy rain]

I just lay there

And sleep takes me

[high haven]

for example i played that fishing game yesterday

instead of getting good sleep

[jaunty wraith]

that fishing game

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

the one

[young shoal]

well it's not that I'm trying not to sleep

[high haven]

ye. mar's fishing game

it was fun

[jaunty wraith]

mar made a game?

[harsh tundra]

Yep, the fast charging is done only when it's safe, that is for around 80%. My phone sometimes says "charged to 80%, battery will be fully charged by 8am" or something like that because it tries to optimise that last bit even on normal chargers... But it is sometimes bugged (woke up to 80% on non-fast charger already past that morning time)

[high haven]

maybe

[jaunty wraith]

[harsh tundra]

Btw, Adhd brain actually calms down when stimulated, it's common for people with adhd to get sleepy with coffee.

[high haven]

???

[low chasm]

i have perpetual kind of eyebags it's terrible

[high haven]

do you drink more coffee than me? lol. i cant have caffeine after 6p otherwise rip sleep

[jaunty wraith]

oh, hey same

[low chasm]

I don't drink coffee too often

maybe every few days

[jaunty wraith]

I've always had them though

like, it's a thing

[high haven]

your pumpkin spice lattes? jk

[harsh tundra]

Btw mobile games - If you like games with plot, I can recommend Path To Nowhere. Without the lore it would be boring fights, but there's a lot of lore and character backstories

I think I spent half of the first night playing instead of sleeping because it was so good. XD

[jaunty wraith]

I saw an ad for it

[high haven]

aboo maybe youre immune to caffeine

[low chasm]

I've had that like twice lol

[low chasm]

perhaps

[high haven]

only one way to find out. down an espresso shot right before bed

for science

[low chasm]

we dont have a coffee machine lol, I drink instant

I've had tea before bed before, I can still sleep fine 🥴

[high haven]

drink a cup before bed and let us know the results

[low chasm]

i gotchu

[jaunty wraith]

maybe you're really sleep deprived

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

so you sleep even when high (on caffeine)

[low chasm]

that could be it

however I get enough sleep

[jaunty wraith]

how much?

[low chasm]

like around 7 hours on the weekdays

[jaunty wraith]

maybe you need more

[high haven]

i still think we should do the experiment

but thats me

[knotty cloak]

Yo whatsup

[jaunty wraith]

IIRC, ideal hours of sleep are roughly inversely propotional to age

[young shoal]

I usually get like 7

[high haven]

aboo's body works so different than mine so im curious if hes actually immune

[knotty cloak]

7 hours should be the bare minimum

[high haven]

so if im 100, i only need 1 hour of sleep.

[jaunty wraith]

lol

[low chasm]

perhaps

[knotty cloak]

Also, isn't too much sleep harmful as well?

[low chasm]

I mean probably not immune

[harsh tundra]

I'm gonna go afk, I gotta sort the carrots.

[high haven]

high tolerance?

but how high

[low chasm]

perhaps, although I don't have it that much

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

what kind of sorting algorithm does one use for carrots?

[harsh tundra]

Tetris

[jaunty wraith]

👀

[low chasm]

I don't ever really consume ungodly amounts of caffeine

[knotty cloak]

That's one huge ass carrot

[jaunty wraith]

heh, ass-carrot

[high haven]

thats good. i try to just have 1-2 cups/day

at most

[glossy niche]

I fucking love carrotw

[harsh tundra]

I said tetris because I try to put as much of them there. So I form lines and try to fill in the places between them

[jaunty wraith]

do they disappear?

[harsh tundra]

Xkcd strong

[knotty cloak]

Caffeine has one effect on me

[harsh tundra]

Nope, the rest of the distance is filled with sand. The sides are insulated with straw

[high haven]

||diuretic?||

[jaunty wraith]

L tetris

[glossy niche]

I go ape shit on caffeien

[knotty cloak]

Why are u running

[glossy niche]

I also love to drink it like this

[knotty cloak]

I like tea

[jaunty wraith]

slurp

[high haven]

TIL you are an anime girl

im jk

[low chasm]

hi jk, I'm aboo

[glossy niche]

Johnf kennedy

It is an honnor

[knotty cloak]

Suggest some motivational movies

[high haven]

yw

[knotty cloak]

Tomorrow is holiday

[low chasm]

thanks

[knotty cloak]

So, it's movie night today

[high haven]

youre not johnf. youre aboo.

[low chasm]

what kind of movies are you into

[low chasm]

good observation

[jaunty wraith]

moving movies

[high haven]

you cant say thanks.

[low chasm]

sure I can

[jaunty wraith]

thanks rex

[high haven]

ok. thank me then. dare you.

[low chasm]

your welcome

[high haven]

yw moyen

[knotty cloak]

All kinds. But today I feel like watching something feel good motivational movie

[high haven]

you also spelled youre wrong

[jaunty wraith]

who are you

[high haven]

my name is robin

[jaunty wraith]

oh, you

how's the rewrite coming along?

[glossy niche]

Check out this dog

[jaunty wraith]

dog

[high haven]

oh you know. its not

[high haven]

that spin tho

also

i was baited

🪤

was expecting doggo

[glossy niche]

That IS a dog

[jaunty wraith]

it is dig

[low chasm]

I've been meaning to watch that new shah rukh khan movie, for like a while now

[jaunty wraith]

wdym

[high haven]

[knotty cloak]

Jawan?

[low chasm]

however I'm not completely confident in being able to understand it without subtitles, and I'm not sure if the theater offers those 🥴

yeah

[glossy niche]

If its been.a while, then he probably has 5 more new movies

[jaunty wraith]

async Python is hard btw

[glossy niche]

he's like in 1/3 of bollywood

[knotty cloak]

As a newbie we try to learn everything, that's why it feels hard to learn

[jaunty wraith]

ong

[grave cove]

[knotty cloak]

Bollywood is meh

[jaunty wraith]

hello rem

[brittle void]

guys, how can i store my db in encrypted form in mongodb community edition
can't find amy method to do it so far

[crystal spruce]

hi doggo
how's the R*

[jaunty wraith]

pretty good

should be getting call backs

[glossy niche]

?

[grave cove]

Callbacks 👎

[glossy niche]

you want to encrypt it on dusk?

[grave cove]

Async await 👍

[glossy niche]

disk

fuck you auto carrot

[brittle void]

i mean, locally, yeah

[jaunty wraith]

okay, I'm awaiting calls

[brittle void]

can i do that?

[knotty cloak]

Posture issues are real with desk jobs

[jaunty wraith]

carrot 👍🏼

[crystal spruce]

asynchronous threading 🥴

[brittle void]

🥕 👍

[brittle void]

setintervals

[knotty cloak]

Easz pizi

[glossy niche]

https://www.mongodb.com/docs/manual/core/security-encryption-at-rest/ seems to be enterprise only

[brittle void]

so, there's no way to do it then

[glossy niche]

tho u can always just encrypt manually

[knotty cloak]

Cassandra and mongodb are the same thing, right?

[glossy niche]

how do u reach that conclusion

2 very different databases

[knotty cloak]

Unstructured data

Semi

[glossy niche]

both nosql yes

but mongo is document orientated and cassandra is columnar or something idr

different paradigms

[harsh tundra]

Sadly real life has too irregular blocks to make them disappear :c

[glossy niche]

also cassandra might scale better cuase of some shit about architecture

discord migrated from mongus to cassandra years ago

[knotty cloak]

It's distributed ig

[glossy niche]

they have a blog post about ut

[glossy niche]

both ate

are*

[knotty cloak]

Then there's hbase

Why so many of the same kind

[brittle void]

how?
wouldn't that make it difficult in searching for data?

[smoky forge]

Hello

[glossy niche]

you decrypt it

[smoky forge]

im on linux right now

and

when i install packages

[glossy niche]

idk much about encryption tbh

[smoky forge]

it often needs some pip packages

[harsh tundra]

I'm stuck. Catto showed belly, I am a cat servant

[smoky forge]

and tells me i should use virtual environment

or something

how should i install pip packages correctly?

[glossy niche]

either they do different things or ppl just burning vc money cause databases are trendy especially vector ones

[young shoal]

source?

[glossy niche]

crush

[jaunty wraith]

me

[jaunty wraith]

do not crush the cat

[jaunty wraith]

dog

[knotty cloak]

This is really helpful. Thanks

[brittle void]

then i would have to encrypt every key and its value
and decrypt it when i wanted to use them
but i'll be using the keys very often
that would cause some serious overhead

[brittle void]

crocodile

[grave cove]

ridiculous

[jaunty wraith]

wobin

widiculous

wust

[brittle void]

@glossy niche so, any better idea, or any better alternative than mongodb to store json data as a db?
im trying to make a password manager

[solemn tulip]

if you want to install stuff globally, prefer using your package manager when possible

[smoky forge]

like lets say i wanna install telegram

and it contains some python packagses

should i install python packages with package manager too?

[solemn tulip]

how are you installing telegram?

if it's something installed through your package manager it should pull in all the needed dependencies already

[glossy niche]

what about it is ridiculous

I don't really know if it's correct or not but just wanted to illustrate that there are many dB paradigms

[glossy niche]

idk tbh, postgres is free and open source and full of features, and it supports json so you can try that I guess

[glossy niche]

youre welcome! please double check the info in it tho, info graphics are always sus

[brittle void]

is postgres faster than mongodb?

[glossy niche]

depends on a lot of things

I think it's usually slower cause of joins

[brittle void]

does it encrypt the db?

[glossy niche]

there's probably an extension for that

[brittle void]

joins?
im just gonna insert stuff

not gonna use any set operations

[glossy niche]

the yo u won't use joins

[high haven]

i knew you were around

i mean

[brittle void]

so, no problem on migrating to postgres?

[high haven]

[high haven]

vector dbs are only popular bc most classic dbs arent built to read/write embeddings at low latency

[solemn tulip]

pretty cloudline

[grave cove]

i recognize that tree

omw

[high haven]

bring me with you

[young shoal]

playdate at fenix's?

[high haven]

wheres the slide

[glossy niche]

IDK MAN STOP ASKING ME

[brittle void]

ok sry

[glossy niche]

sorry i jsut dont have that much exp with databases, i do use mongo a lot but still a newb

[glossy niche]

pretty

[high haven]

you can try asking in #databases

[grave cove]

what if

the database wasn't so based

[high haven]

what if

[glossy niche]

datacringe?

[high haven]

people underestimate the power of databases

oh wait

[grave cove]

they do?

[high haven]

they really do a lot of heavy-lifting

[grave cove]

so true

[brittle void]

whats based in a db full of passwords?

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-klee-genshin-genshin-impact-klee-genshin-impact-gif-21838233

[grave cove]

its based

[high haven]

however, innovation in dbs has stagnated a bit

since the '80s

[glossy niche]

80s had some wild stuff

object oriented DBs, network DBs, hierarchial

[grave cove]

wild hair and big collars 👍

[tardy rain]

Cocaine

[high haven]

yeah if you can push as much as you can to the db layer, its better to have the sql engine do a lot of work rather than the app layer

[glossy niche]

most dead but theres an OO DB made by mongo

[brittle void]

my favourite db is actually adb

[high haven]

but you already know this robin

im saying for the lurkers

that i know are lurking

[grave cove]

yeah but sometimes i see this happen and you end up with some wild looking sql queries that could be solved in 2 lines of python

[high haven]

yeah you def see problems at both extremes

[grave cove]

its about finding a balance

[high haven]

for sure

[young shoal]

it's also a thing to move business logic into the db layer as well

[high haven]

when you model the data?

are we talking classic data modeling or

more modern approaches

like semantic layers

and such

[young shoal]

not only that. if you have multiple apps talking to the db that need to maintain some constraints, you don't want to implement that logic multiple times

[high haven]

the problem is the business can never decide

"what IS a customer"

"how should it be defined, etc"

[young shoal]

yeah. so now you only update the stored proc instead of all the apps

[high haven]

its def a better way of doing things

can you imagine trying to update that many apps if one definition changes

esp in microservices world

[young shoal]

😩

[glossy niche]

my fizzbuzz cluster is down fuckkkkkkkk

[high haven]

i used this trick twice this week

#meetings

literally once was yesterday

[proven ermine]

I need to try that

[high haven]

i used the words "middle ground"

[grave cove]

lmao

works every time

[proven ermine]

Fancy

[high haven]

gotta mix it up

[proven ermine]

Never let me guess your next move

[solemn tulip]

it's a trade-off

[high haven]

that term only clicks with technical people

[grave cove]

they all have advantages and disadvantages

[high haven]

business people want it both ways

[grave cove]

its about finding the right tool for the job

[young shoal]

both ideas have pros and cons

[high haven]

its never just "A" or "B". its always both.

i promise you that

you give them 2 options, this is what happens

[solemn tulip]

||if you know what I mean||

[high haven]

this is funny

[solemn tulip]

RTUEN?

[jaunty wraith]

trune

[young shoal]

so true

[high haven]

async fail?

[proven ermine]

"sir, would you please explain to the chat where you were on the morning of November 12th?"

[glossy niche]

:pithg

[jaunty wraith]

async 👎🏼
sync 👍🏼

[glossy niche]

distributed systems are a mistake

[high haven]

"it was never built for this use case"

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-gif-24948327

[high haven]

gl

[glossy niche]

ow

[high haven]

break a leg

[glossy niche]

good luck dude

[high haven]

or two

[glossy niche]

break their legs too

[young shoal]

ow

[high haven]

this

[jaunty wraith]

why break leg

[glossy niche]

insurance clai

[jaunty wraith]

break a lego instead

[glossy niche]

m

[jaunty wraith]

rejected

[high haven]

easier to break a leg

[solemn tulip]

where? any place interesting?

[jaunty wraith]

skill issue

[young shoal]

they technically compete with my company

[high haven]

i will wait

[high haven]

yeah and?

[young shoal]

actually they're the biggest company in a few of their domains

[jaunty wraith]

who? lego?

[young shoal]

what

[high haven]

youre just an intern. so it doesnt matter

but what do i know

[jaunty wraith]

what

[high haven]

not like you signed a non-compete clause

or did you

[young shoal]

what if I get a noncompete

lol. I had an NDA for roblox

[high haven]

yeah but its not a noncompete

[young shoal]

yeah

[jaunty wraith]

are non-competes enforceable?

[young shoal]

depends

[solemn tulip]

the original message being gone doesn't exactly help the convo

[young shoal]

it's different based on state, I think

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

I see

rex, the deleter

[high haven]

we are a delete gang here

[jaunty wraith]

we have logs

[young shoal]

they're also usually area and industry specific I think too

[high haven]

only those who know, know

• mods

[young shoal]

so like, maybe it's only in a certain area of finance or something like that

[high haven]

finance is huge

[young shoal]

idk IANAL

[jaunty wraith]

it's about 5 nance huge

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-cat-gif-25983476

[jaunty wraith]

1 nance = 54.32 dollary-doos

[high haven]

ok moyen

[solemn tulip]

if non-compete covered all my company did I would be basically screwed for a while

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

this one's better

[high haven]

hmm are there any other ones

these 2 are aight

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/staffs-reading-deleted-messages-staffs-looking-at-deleted-messages-staffs-seeing-deleted-messages-staffs-seeing-the-deleted-messages-reading-deleted-messages-gif-24233842

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[grave cove]

giancarlo my beloved

[high haven]

oh this ones kinda funny

[glossy niche]

oramg car

[grave cove]

sir that's no car

[solemn tulip]

can someone explain why the ubuntu font is used in a bunch of memes?

[grave cove]

or rather

[solemn tulip]

how tf did that happen

[grave cove]

why does ubuntu use the font used in a bunch of memes

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-i-saw-what-you-deleted-gif-16494547305713550312

have a WF gif

[glossy niche]

i deleted what you saw

[high haven]

i like it

[glossy niche]

WARFRAME PLAYER DETECTED

[onyx mist]

errr... anyone knows what this means

[high haven]

is WF warframe?

[glossy niche]

GO GO GADGET DEODORANT

[onyx mist]

💀

[high haven]

oh nvm

[jaunty wraith]

yeah

[low chasm]

what is going on

[proven ermine]

Escape Character maybe?

[solemn tulip]

arrow key?

[young shoal]

war funder

[high haven]

[low chasm]

was I just ghost pinged

[high haven]

no it was me

[low chasm]

pulling logs

[high haven]

i thought you were here

but ig not

[low chasm]

I was here

[solemn tulip]

I can't remember which arrow key is \e[A

[onyx mist]

idk. It's meant to look like a loading bar but instead, im getting this

[jaunty wraith]

pull up a graph instead

[jaunty wraith]

up

[onyx mist]

im also quite concerned since I had to terminate the file several times

[proven ermine]

What are you using for the bar?

[onyx mist]

because i didnt have storage

once i freed up the storage it looked like that

[high haven]

pull them. let me know what you see

[onyx mist]

?

wdym

[solemn tulip]

so this is
up up up up up up ...

[high haven]

[jaunty wraith]

we goin up

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/up-bye-gif-18483444

[proven ermine]

Your code has a couple thousand balloons attached to the top of it

[onyx mist]

i dont think its meant to do that 😭

[onyx mist]

i dont understand

[jaunty wraith]

is that an UP reference?!?!1?

[onyx mist]

im just gonna rewrite it

[jaunty wraith]

JoJo × UP would be fun

[onyx mist]

I think I found out why

thx for the help

[solemn tulip]

🎵 look at this Foster graph 🎵

[proven ermine]

Does Dave have a metric for deleted messages?

[jaunty wraith]

you'd have to ask Dave

[proven ermine]

@wide verge do you have a metric for deleted messages?

[jaunty wraith]

that looks neat

[proven ermine]

Lmao wait it looks like it does log if a message was deleted

So theoretically you could make a graph of when and where messages are deleted on this server

[jaunty wraith]

mayhaps

[solemn tulip]

graph being an overloaded term is always fun

[jaunty wraith]

graph a graph on a graph paper using digital graphics

bonus points if you pronounce it as giraffe

[young shoal]

the call will be on teams 🤮

[solemn tulip]

still missing the graph theory graph I feel

[jaunty wraith]

uhhh

I'm not creative enough

[brittle void]

guys, im making a password manager, and i already have all the data in a json file like this

{
  mail: {
    website: {
      pwd: 84q79er09084hgerjiijru
    },
    ...
  },
  ...
}

the question is, do i have to store this data in a db json type db (like mongodb), or table type (sqlLite, postgres), or anything else?
i need to store the db locally in encrypted form
i do data retrieval more than anything else
which one would be better to use here?

[glossy niche]

the database paradigm depends on what your application needs are

if its a local application, sqlite for sure

[brittle void]

man, im already getting oerwhelmed with databases

[glossy niche]

what are your needss?

if you already know how to use one databse

just go with that

[brittle void]

just to store all the passwords in a db
in an encrypted form

[brittle void]

i just store it in a json file
no encryption

which is not good at all

[glossy niche]

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/encryption-options.html

postgres seems to support many encryption options

postgres is neat but super complex at times

[brittle void]

but i need to retrieve passwords from the db
so the data must be decrypted while acceessing it

[glossy niche]

[brittle void]

that is, just decrypt when the user has the credentials/authentication

thats what i have in my mind

[glossy niche]

you can do that in the application itself

store the encrypted password or whatever in the DB

pull it out

decrypt it

not sure how safe that is tho

[brittle void]

ok, but still, what kind of db should i have to use here?

[high haven]

i found out the recent teams update broke teams the software on macs

but im not a mac person so

🕯️

[young shoal]

💀

anyways i kinda got rolled

no new internship this summer i guess 😩

[solemn tulip]

what you use doesn't matter much in this case

how you store data is what matters

[brittle void]

i need to store in an encrypted fashion

[solemn tulip]

so do that

[brittle void]

but how?

which db does that?

i have 0 knowledge on this db stuff

[young shoal]

encrypt -> write
read -> decrypt

[solemn tulip]

you don't need a db that does that

that's my point

you are in charge of what data you put in/pull out

the storage medium is secondary

[brittle void]

wait, that actually makes sense

im stupid

[young shoal]

there are things that encrypt the entire database, but that's an additional thing

[solemn tulip]

right, there are kinda two ways of doing this

you encrypt individual data entries and decrypt on fetch

or you encrypt the entire file and decrypt the thing on first load

and keep it in memory

[brittle void]

but doesn't a db store it as multiple files?

[solemn tulip]

depends

sqlite wouldn't

json wouldn't

[brittle void]

so by that if the only file that has all the data gets corrupted or smth, i'll lost my data

im just overthinking

[young shoal]

that's what backups are for

[solemn tulip]

I mean, that's always a risk, no?

[young shoal]

and the WAL

@high haven

[solemn tulip]

I should set up a nice NAS for backups...

currently I have basically zero backups...

[brittle void]

ok, but you know how mongodb returns values for the keys that are passed in like this
key1.key2.key3
i can't find a convenient way like this in pymongo

[solemn tulip]

(I've never worked with mongodb)

[young shoal]

that's not very 321 of you

[glossy niche]

iirc pymongo just returns dicsts

so you just dict that dict around

idk

[solemn tulip]

why not build something that's storage agnostic?

[brittle void]

i'll also search the db with a query like

• mail so that i get all the sites under that mail, and
• website - gives all the mail ids that has this sub-key in it
  and i think it would be a little bit slow to check it if the db starts to grow

[solemn tulip]

it really won't be

[brittle void]

u mean, hashed keys for dicts?

[solemn tulip]

unless you have like 100s of thousand of logins

[brittle void]

u mean, mails, right?

yep, i have only like 10-15 mails

[high haven]

oof

[brittle void]

thats not a problem for now ig

[high haven]

WAL

[solemn tulip]

I meant linear search through smallish data isn't really slow

you're probably storing like 100s of entries

1000s tops

lookup time isn't really going to be an issue

[brittle void]

what do u mean by agnostic here?

[solemn tulip]

that your main code doesn't care about what the storage format it

e.g. create some interface with the operations you need

[brittle void]

u mean, an interface for any kind of db?

[solemn tulip]

and then you can implement that for some formats, e.g. json

right

[young shoal]

repository pattern 🥺🥺🥺

[solemn tulip]

abstracting the exact storage details away

[solemn tulip]

this is a pattern with a name other than just "abstract stuff away lol"?

[glossy niche]

nested dict

json

[young shoal]

Microsoft said it, not me

[solemn tulip]

I swear, I do not remember names of most patterns

[brittle void]

ok, then i'll just hash the db like this

hashed_db = Hash(PrivateKey2 || Hash(str(DB) || PrivateKey1 || Username))

and idk if this is too much or stupid

[glossy niche]

dependjection

[young shoal]

in c# you just slap interfaces everywhere then DI things

[solemn tulip]

I just remember some of the principles

[brittle void]

singleton

[solemn tulip]

and apply them when they seem fitting

[glossy niche]

theres a design pattern i use often that i dont know the name of

sometimes i have a bunch of related logic in a function

[solemn tulip]

often giving a pattern a name is almost giving it too much credit

[glossy niche]

and i group it together in one class

so that i dont have to look around for when it was implmented

idk whats the nam,e of that

[brittle void]

also, lets say i have a similar system like this in an another system
and if i let them sync together by merging the db, it should merge such that the latest update to a key's value should be the one that got updated at the most recent in either of the db, or show it like a merge conflict
and im thinking of doing this by implementing separate log files for the insert/update/delete operations in the db
how is this idea? is this ok-ish, or it can be done better than this?

[young shoal]

it's about giving a more concise way to refer to things

[solemn tulip]

isn't that just refactoring?

[glossy niche]

[solemn tulip]

and obligatory "classes aren't namespaces"

[glossy niche]

you can refactor something ot use a specific pattern

[glossy niche]

nuh uh

zero cost abstractions bro

optimization bro

[brittle void]

there's no optimization in that thing
at most part, u just make things readable

[solemn tulip]

I would probably also just store the history of the thing

[brittle void]

u mean, archive the whole old version of db for each change done to it?

[solemn tulip]

archive history of individual entries

I think keepass does this and it can be occasionally useful

(granted, I don't tend to merge dbs often anyway, this is mostly a non-issue for me)

[brittle void]

so, like enabling git for the db file?
but i have to reimplement git to make it work specifically for my encrypted db file

[solemn tulip]

that's more overkill than I would imagine it

[brittle void]

then how?

[young shoal]

git is not going to be useful for a db

[solemn tulip]

conceptually just keep the history as a list

and the dumb merging algo would be to just concat, and sort by time

[young shoal]

hmm

[solemn tulip]

I mean..

https://www.passwordstore.org/

[young shoal]

I mean like, versioning something like postgres's data

[high haven]

like the actual data or just the metadata

data versioning is its own thing

dont ask me

plenty of podcasts though

[young shoal]

the data

[glossy niche]

i wanna test something

someone ghost ping me

[high haven]

thats a loaded one. everyone uses different things and no one seems satisfied

pick your poison

[glossy niche]

hmmmmmmmmmm

it doesnt show in the inbox after you ghost ping

[solemn tulip]

[harsh tundra]

@limpid dove I took a look at your StackOverflow question and replied. Tl;dr: Your dictionary contains original non-decorated version of the function

[limpid dove]

oh shit

I never thought that could be the issue

[harsh tundra]

My first reply was gonna be discord-only asking whether you saved your file because it worked for me - because I run the function directly instead of the dictionary version XD

[limpid dove]

Lol

Eh, your fix worked too

[limpid dove]

You've probably saved me 10+ hours, thank you so much 🥲

[harsh tundra]

Don't worry, It's not uncommon.
I once spent probably around 2 hours only to realise that at some point I uploaded my files in the wrong place (I used filezilla and i must've accidentally dragged the project files into some directory, then I entered it and started uploading whole project there instead of normal location). I thought flask had some weird caching stuff because no changes I did were visible. XD
Once you have your first situation like that, you'll start understanding the missing/misplaced semicolon memes XD

[limpid dove]

I actually made a meme like that like half a year ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979439588651196466/1128361102179307541/image.png?ex=65412a2a&is=652eb52a&hm=85ac4a75a04ae5979f06dabc8a99186381e98ef5344653a0f0b92e15d3a5252f&

(this is the only meme Ive ever made)

[tulip falcon]

🥹

[jovial oriole]

Who has python as a dependency

Show yourselves

[wanton delta]

no

[drowsy fable]

Why isn't this video rendered HD? I waited for YouTube to process it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY4FK4JollY

Its OBS problem. It doesn't record fully HD.

For some reason...

[bright grove]

its hd for me

1080p