ot1-perplexing-regexing

[high haven]

someone was trying to talk on the phone while running

like holding up their phone to the side of their face

and i was like what are you doing bro

youre about to crash into that family of 4 smh

[tardy rain]

Running and calling smh

[high haven]

other person on the line: "uhh are you running bro"

[tardy rain]

Around here theres a group of older ladies and they run and gossip together and it looks hella fun

[smoky forge]

should i go swimming if my muscles are sore?

[tardy rain]

I cant keep up to eavesdrop 💀

[high haven]

join them. where are your shoes

[tardy rain]

Uh

I was off yesterday

So, next monday

Lmao

[high haven]

i expect you to get running shoes this week

in preparation

[tardy rain]

I'll see if i can get some cheap ones

I dont wanna sink 150+ gbp into shoes

Not right now anyway

[high haven]

yeah

you just need some kicks

so that you wont roll your ankle

when you take off

smh aboo trying to run in converse

[radiant dragon]

Depends, how sore

[tardy rain]

Standard teenager behaviour

[smoky forge]

like real sore

[tardy rain]

Thinking they're invincible

[radiant dragon]

Then take it easy lol

Solve some random python problems online with a nice cup of coffee

[high haven]

truly

[smoky forge]

but i paid for the subscription

[tardy rain]

Fastest way to get rid of DOMS is to go work out again

[smoky forge]

i already missed 4 days

[radiant dragon]

We are

[high haven]

then they get older and realize they need to stretch. thats the first sign of getting old

[smoky forge]

ig im getting old

[high haven]

correct

[smoky forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-shocked-amazed-gif-13658253

[radiant dragon]

Imagine not being able to make a donut one liner

[tardy rain]

Thats not a thing unless you cut the donut at which point its no longer a donut

[wanton delta]

donut matter
there are other one liners

[radiant dragon]

Pff

[radiant dragon]

Were in off topic

Imagine assuming python in a python server

[rough sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/killjoyswift-callumiero-ierograham-gif-26026569

[next ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1163317211100893184.webp?size=48&name=trollton&quality=lossless

hello chat

[next ocean]

i regret living

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151980008592638143.gif?size=48&name=krisgetthebanana&quality=lossless

[wanton delta]

smooth edit for something so dumb

[sullen pier]

• many enough times
• much enough times
• enough times
  which one is correct?

[acoustic moss]

3

[young shoal]

many such cases

[devout wasp]

@rough sapphire so basically this was my thought process, its a lil scribbly and gibberish. basically my thought process is to increment a first, then once a = input value swap a and b and start to increment b. which works fine until you get anything more than input = 2 so the bottom is me trying to workshop what would need to be done to get it to print in order

im looking at it and thinking that there is probably a better way to do it which i might try to write out now

this is my second thought process

theoretically that could work ad infinitum, just not quite sure how the loop would work

i have very basic knowledge and the section is currently about learning to use nested loops so im trying to tackle it with the concepts i know

im gonna try to whip up a quick code but i have work soon so i might have to work on it again later

yeah i mean i dont strictly have to do it that way but im just following along w an online course and its under the nested loops section

i keep forgetting for loops exist

bc we havent been introduced to them just while loops so far

like i said really basic knowledge still

i mean i can, itll just be really inefficient and overcomplicated i think

my immediate thought is while a < number

but then it wouldnt work if i set a back to 1 bc then that would always be true

i have to go to work now but im gonna keep thinking about this

[rough sapphire]

meow meow 🐱

[solemn tulip]

what are you trying to do?

!e something like this?

n = 3
for i in range(1, n+1):
  for j in range(1, n+1):
    print(f'{i}*{j} = {i*j}')

[royal lake]

@solemn tulip :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 1*1 = 1
002 | 1*2 = 2
003 | 1*3 = 3
004 | 2*1 = 2
005 | 2*2 = 4
006 | 2*3 = 6
007 | 3*1 = 3
008 | 3*2 = 6
009 | 3*3 = 9

[naive igloo]

YEEEEEESSSSSSS

IT PARSES HTTP PACKET

??

<exception str() failed>?

[gritty zinc]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/920b3dfacad615c7bb9bd9a35774469f8809b453/Lib/http/client.py#L1465-L1468

[royal lake]

Lib/http/client.py lines 1465 to 1468

class HTTPException(Exception):
    # Subclasses that define an __init__ must call Exception.__init__
    # or define self.args.  Otherwise, str() will fail.
    pass```

[naive igloo]

?

btw, i dont want to rely on http

like i want from ground up, from scratch

and also i figured

that issue comes from the fact that __str__() would have raised an exception (self.is_details_only not defined blah blah blah)

quite weird that it just does <exception str() failed> instead of the traceback

[gritty zinc]

it seems to be a thing about the default top-level error handler: https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/920b3dfacad615c7bb9bd9a35774469f8809b453/Python/errors.c#L1500

[royal lake]

Python/errors.c line 1500

if (PyFile_WriteString("<exception str() failed>", file) < 0) {```

[gritty zinc]

but I'm failing to replicate it

[gritty zinc]

okay, raising an exception in __str__ works

but there's supposed (according to that comment) to also be a way to mess up an Exception subclass in such a way that Exception's __str__ fails... can't replicate that.

[naive igloo]

i think that should be changed

lol

cpython already has triple-fault killswitch right?

i doubt?

[honest star]

Discord's branding is leaking

[high haven]

the real question is what is the hex code for blurple

[carmine apex]

.color name blurple

[median dome]

Blurple

Color information for Name blurple.

RGB

(88, 101, 242)

HSV

(235, 64, 95)

HSL

(235, 86, 65)

CMYK

(64, 58, 0, 5)

Hex

#5865F2

Name

Blurple

[carmine apex]

probably that

[high haven]

thanks thur

does that look right?

close enough

[grave cove]

seahorse ‼️

[civic pasture]

What do you call a flock of crows @grave cove

You have 10 secs

Waits

You tell us @rough sapphire

It’s called murder

[edgy crest]

nah

they murder

[civic pasture]

Crows are very clever

I love them

They have an IQ of 7 year old kid

Which is amazing

They don’t kill them @rough sapphire

It’s just the name given to a flock of crows

You don’t say flock of crows

You say murder of crows

When you see several of them

I mean brain size doesn’t have to do with intelligence

[soft violet]

Wrinkles.

[civic pasture]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a34165311/crows-are-self-aware-like-humans/#

[soft violet]

Are you saying you don't?

[civic pasture]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/crows-are-even-smarter-we-thought-180976970/

That’s good

lol

Looooool

[high haven]

his face

just kill it on the SAT

[kind thicket]

Anyone in here have any advice for someone who sucks at coding but is studying cs?

[devout wasp]

all As will help w scholarship money, but the grades are good, just be sure to get a good SAT/ACT score

[young shoal]

get good at coding

[high haven]

junior/senior year

[young shoal]

it's not hard

[kind thicket]

Gee thanks

[young shoal]

you'll need to provide more detail for better advice

[high haven]

surprise. even art history.

im jk

[young shoal]

if you're not great at coding, you're going to have a bad time in CS

[high haven]

no

[kind thicket]

Well atm I dont have too much time for out of uni stuff but we have 1 subject where we have to actively do projects and im stuck with two dudes who are just doing everything rly.

Im fine with the theory and implementing small tings

But i have a hard time understanding my teams code and feel like I can barely contribute.

It just feels really poopy

I also much prefer theoretical informatics than actual programming

[kind thicket]

Well getting a bachelor doesn't really require much coding

[young shoal]

you don't have projects that require coding?

[kind thicket]

And I wouldn't know what else to study since initially I wanted to go into music

[kind thicket]

We had some classes in the first year which were quite easy to pass

[young shoal]

what courses are you taking now?

[kind thicket]

And this year (at least this sem) it's just the one

Well I have TI, computer networks and systems and software construction

• two other subjects which count toward my bachelor but aren't related to cs

[young shoal]

TI ?

[kind thicket]

Theoretical informatics

Like automata stuff

[young shoal]

ah, interesting. well regardless, if you're not getting it in school you should supplement with some personal studying and projects

[kind thicket]

I wouldn't even know where to start

I've done some leetcode and exercism stuff

But it's mostly either too easy or too hard

I've tried getting into the advent of code

I usually quit after the first week do to time management issues

Idk what project would be a good way for me to practice while still being interesting enough to motivate me

[young shoal]

what sorts of things have you made so far?

[kind thicket]

Literally just school stuff since I didn't do any programming before getting into uni

I made a few simple text adventure style things but that's not exactly hard

I usually end up spending more time doing other things since I end up giving up on most projects due to lack of interest

I've thought about creating a discord bot with a few basic features but I'm not sure I'd have the time for that let alone if I'd be able to find the motivation to actually finish a few solid features

[low chasm]

"it depends", is the answer - different colleges look for different things.

if you want to apply for an ivy league university, then you'd want to be pretty strong academically, top of your classes and stuff.

[kind thicket]

I'm just struggling since I much more enjoy the theoretical side of comp sci (not because I'm insanely good at it more cause it's just satisfying when you understand something)

[low chasm]

also, what grade are you in? are applying for college right now?

you've got plenty of time, then.

you've got a lot of options, then 👀 although, it still isn't a bad idea to keep your grades up and do well in school.

you might end up finding a college that you really want to go to as well

I've got apps coming up next year, wish I kept my freshman year grades up better 🥴

your final GPA is made up of all your grades throughout your high school career (although this can vary college to college, as some don't consider your freshman grades)

you've got time to figure that out. do you have school counselors? they typically offer career advice and such ~ my school has every student sign up to meet with them near the end of the school year.

[grave cove]

bro do not listen to school counselors

[low chasm]

sure. although it's also not like a bad freshman year is going to mess you up. The same thing goes for having a few bad grades in general.

my counselor was fairly helpful 🥴

[grave cove]

they are actually the incarnation of the devil

[low chasm]

😩

[grave cove]

fr

[low chasm]

give em a go, if you don't trust them, you can take what they say with a grain of salt.

[grave cove]

do your own research and ask upperclassmen

[low chasm]

that too, I've got friends who're in college who've given me decent advice.

[grave cove]

too many stories where people listen to counselors and get fucked over and graduate a year late

[low chasm]

I guess overall don't stress yourself out, you'll do fine as long as you're somewhat mindful. Have fun while you're at it too ~

[grave cove]

personally I've had more fun in 2 months of college than like all of HS lmao

bro why

[young shoal]

you should care. the quality of education is vastly different. the quality of peers is different

[grave cove]

it gets old really fast

friends are nice but it's different where you live with them 24/7

i like it so far but the on campus living is really hit or miss

I got lucky so it's nice

I like it. I have a good roommate and we're really chill. Our rooms are also very nice

no communal restrooms or anything

still would prefer university apartments though

[young shoal]

nah dorms are cringe

[proven ermine]

Lucky

Nah that happens, just usually only once or twice

[grave cove]

they always do

[proven ermine]

College is fun, but you also have to deal with things like neighbors coming back at 3 am and waking up the whole hallway and laundry rooms being taped off with caution tape because someone dun fucked up all of the machines

[young shoal]

and incredibly unhygienic floor neighbors

[grave cove]

lmfao

[proven ermine]

But usually most of the fun stuff counters it

[grave cove]

relatable

only been like 2 months and I already have some wild stories

[proven ermine]

Same here

[grave cove]

also the work is light so I get to spend a lot of time just chilling or hanging with friends

[proven ermine]

For now...

[grave cove]

indeed

I'll be getting an apartment next year when things start picking up

[proven ermine]

Just wait until all of your professors make all of your assignments/projects due on the same day

[grave cove]

or a house with a bunch of my friends

[young shoal]

what's your history grade again?

[grave cove]

We don't talk about that

[proven ermine]

💀

[stiff siren]

why is everyone so mean to me

[latent wolf]

no

me

dict is faster with getting

[ruby fox]

Idk why, i feel like these dialogue paths can be represented like a html-style structure

After all, each dialogue path is nested within its previous dialogue

It can help you more when you are writing a lot of dialogues

Like a flowchart

[ruby fox]

Html can be also visualised as a flow chart, so as dialogues are also a flow chart, we can use similar html structure to store dialogue paths

And it saves you time to write whole story inside of a dict

<dialogue 1>
    <dialogue choice 1>
        <dialogue path 1-1-1>
    </dialogue choice 1>
    <dialogue choice 2>
        <dialogue path 1-2-1>
    </dialogue choice 2>
</dialogue 1>

Dialogue path 1-1-1 mean, they have chosen 1st choice of dialogue

And you can write it like a html file to store the dialogues

🤔

[thick ore]

Not html god

Atleast XML

[ruby fox]

Text align boo spooky

[warped sentinel]

like the band?

linking park

[wanton delta]

i found my favorite new animal

striking

[edgy crest]

fancy crows

[wanton delta]

they're actually parrots

Dracula Parrot they're called

i mean that is cool

[dusky turret]

thats cool

[hearty violet]

why is bro using pascal case for python variables

my eyes are hurting

[unkempt prairie]

who is the smart programmer that ever lived

[hearty violet]

ah yes bc "smart" is an objective metric

[unkempt prairie]

terry davis

[eager cliff]

@hearty violet if you dont want to actually put in the effort to explain, maybe dont say anything at all?

[hearty violet]

brb

[hearty violet]

ight Im back

[hearty violet]

what u talking about? the soydev thing?

[eager cliff]

yes

[hearty violet]

well I assumed people on discord were familiar with the term

so I thought there wasn't a need to clarify

but the guy was a beginner himself and not familiar with the term

after him asking to clarify, I did in fact do so

if u scroll down u can see that I also did not "put him down" and was not "reductionist"

[eager cliff]

im not saying you were putting him down, i was saying the word is unhelpful.

[hearty violet]

sure, but that's just bound to happen in conversation naturally
what matters is that I wasn't rude to him and explained what I meant instead of being an asshole

[eager cliff]

you didnt in the first place though, and thats the problem im trying to say

you should not assume people know what a word that is intended to be used as an insult means.
if i tell someone who is struggling with something to try not to be an idiot, that person might know that it means 'im doing something wrong' but they dont know how to not do that or what exactly theyre doing wrong

they just have some vague notion of 'im doing it wrong'

it quite literally couldve just cleared up the confusion if you just made a bit of extra effort to say "try to develop an enjoyment of learning, and don't be complacent"

thats like 11 words and took me 5 seconds to type

instead of just saying "dont be soydev"

[hearty violet]

yeah I worded it wrongly ig

my bad

but they would've seen my clarification if they were following the thread of u guys contesting me, so hopefully they read that one instead

(the one where I said complacency isn't good in general)

[eager cliff]

np, sorry i got a bit heated maybe

[hearty violet]

no worries

[sacred cove]

😒

Seriously bio?

That's so irrelevant

[glossy niche]

massive skill issue

[last mantle]

lol

[glossy niche]

Holy shit an f# user

[edgy crest]

he is not just an f# user

[glossy niche]

f# is definitely interesting I wanna try it some day

[sacred cove]

if you sweat in a sweater, does that make you the sweater?

[runic plinth]

yes

[tardy rain]

Is it sweater weather

[jaunty wraith]

yes

[high haven]

agreed

[solemn tulip]

we need to eliminate tech debt

[high haven]

hello ghost trainer. whatre your top 3 ghost pokemons

[jaunty wraith]

ghosts, ghosts, and more ghosts

I just did a web search for ghost-type pokemons and I only recognize Gastly and its evolutions lol

[distant hazel]

one of my favorites

apparently knowing this format of memes means you're old

[high haven]

poser

[solemn tulip]

*sad shuppet noises*

what does gen 2 even have?

misdreavus?

literally only misdreavus huh?

[high haven]

sad but i think youre right

[low chasm]

I've seen that meme format before 😤

[high haven]

anyway you can just have gastly line as your pokemons

[high haven]

youre old in spirit

[low chasm]

peak maturity

[high haven]

give us your wisdom

wise one

[low chasm]

I can't do it on the spot

[high haven]

poser

[low chasm]

it needs to come naturally

like otns

[solemn tulip]

just be luna

[low chasm]

here's some food for thought

[low chasm]

Pokémon go? 🥺

[solemn tulip]

what do boats do?

[low chasm]

good question

[solemn tulip]

I suspect the answer would work for both

[low chasm]

.wa s what do boats do

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[high haven]

no

[dapper dew]

"sail" ?

[low chasm]

right right

[high haven]

who are you? a zoomer?

[low chasm]

would that really apply to submarines though

[solemn tulip]

sail has windy connotations

[low chasm]

.wa s define sailing

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

the work of a sailor

[solemn tulip]

:/

[dapper dew]

Hmmm

Google search says "cruise" or "navigate"

[low chasm]

lmfao I loled at that

[gritty zinc]

.wa s define sepuling

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[low chasm]

Pokémon go is cool again

[gritty zinc]

pathetic

[low chasm]

I see

[high haven]

is it though

[low chasm]

cruising still doesn't fit though, I think

[low chasm]

yeah

[dapper dew]

The sub cruised down the coast

The sub sailed down the coast

[runic plinth]

Propels

[solemn tulip]

cruise is good

[low chasm]

because are you really cruising when you need to steer the submarine?

[high haven]

give me a pokemon go screenshot from your game right here rn. otherwise ill think youre lying

[low chasm]

cruising implies a lack of control imo

or rather, giving up control

[solemn tulip]

cruise ship?

[low chasm]

like cruise control in cars

[dapper dew]

That fits my definition of cruising through the day 😎

[low chasm]

when you're on a cruise ship, you're the one cruising

[runic plinth]

They propel with propellors or waterjets

Propulsion

[dapper dew]

I think sail works for marine vessels

Even without sails

[low chasm]

are people who drive submarines sailors?

[dapper dew]

Submariners

[low chasm]

.wa s define sailor

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

any member of a ship's crew

[solemn tulip]

Borrowed from Dutch kruisen (“cross, sail around”), from kruis (“cross”), from Middle Dutch cruce, from Latin crux.

[low chasm]

now we need to define "ship"

[solemn tulip]

so cross

[low chasm]

seems like we're back to sail

[solemn tulip]

boats cross

[dapper dew]

Is a submarine just a submersible boat, or a submersible vessel

[low chasm]

how are we differentiating between a boat and a vessel

[foggy jungle]

The existence of submarines also implies the existence of dommarines

[low chasm]

.wa s define boat

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

a small vessel for travel on water

[low chasm]

so it's a subset of "vessel"

[foggy jungle]

That is also very funny. Thank you salt-die.

[solemn tulip]

does browsers have a SUB?

[gritty zinc]

zeromq has a SUB

[jaunty wraith]

my browser has Super Ultra Browsing

[solemn tulip]

I only now saw the ChatGPT joke

[dapper dew]

According to the US Navy, submarines are boats:

but as with many things in the Navy, tradition trumped logic, and today, all submarines—even the giant “boomers” (fleet ballistic-missile submarines)—are called boats.

[solemn tulip]

u-boats to borrow partially from german

[low chasm]

I see

[dapper dew]

a ship sails
a submarine dives then navigates/cruises and finally surfaces

[solemn tulip]

feels a bit weird to say something like a steamboat sails

[low chasm]

I've got my first debate competition on the 11th 👀

[solemn tulip]

"aboo, you are arguing for solipsism"

[ionic bane]

What are the debates about? Arbitrary topics?

[low chasm]

we get one topic a few weeks before the competition, and we need to write two cases (both for and against the topic), and on the day of, compete in 4 rounds of debating - for 2 you argue for the topic, and for 2 you argue against the topic.

[ionic bane]

I see nice

In my Spanish class we were going to debate soon but it was on random controversial topics

Things like Abortions, Morality and other stuff

[glossy niche]

everytime you post more undertale shit it some how gets less canon

like, at what point is fanfic not fanfic anymore and just

its own thing

ship of theseus more like

shit of theseus

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-papyrus-undertale-papyrus-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-25913129

[jovial oriole]

.candy

[median dome]

Top Candy Records

🥇 @jovial oriole: 11
🥈 @hidden pebble: 8
🥉 @kindred orbit: 6
🏅 @inland cape: 5
🏅 @ornate obsidian: 4

Your Candy Score

@jovial oriole: 11

​

Candies will randomly appear on messages sent.
Hit the candy when it appears as fast as possible to get the candy!
But beware the ghosts...

[jovial oriole]

Lets go

[thick osprey]

Before:

┌─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬─────────┬───────────┬
│ Stat    │ 2.5%    │ 50%     │ 97.5%   │ 99%     │ Avg       │
├─────────┼─────────┼─────────┼─────────┼─────────┼───────────┼
│ Latency │ 2051 ms │ 2219 ms │ 2306 ms │ 2310 ms │ 2208.2 ms │
└─────────┴─────────┴─────────┴─────────┴─────────┴───────────┴

50 requests in 10.02s, 10.1 MB read

After

┌─────────┬───────┬───────┬───────┬───────┬─────────┬
│ Stat    │ 2.5%  │ 50%   │ 97.5% │ 99%   │ Avg     │
├─────────┼───────┼───────┼───────┼───────┼─────────┼
│ Latency │ 49 ms │ 59 ms │ 80 ms │ 80 ms │ 58.5 ms │
└─────────┴───────┴───────┴───────┴───────┴─────────┴

2k requests in 10.01s, 5.87 MB read

I might be getting the hang of this webdev thing.

[rugged owl]

@high haven Are you sure?
"Yesn't"

[young shoal]

✈️

also it's clearly a plane

just think about it 😭. if you fix one coordinate, you've got 2 coordinates that can grow and shrink, so 2d, so it's a plane

[rugged owl]

https://tenor.com/view/aharen-no-thoughts-head-empty-gif-26010608

[young shoal]

😭

[rugged owl]

Plane isn't even the point of the problem

It's that a plane doesn't have any extreme rays (or points I guess?)

[solemn tulip]

wtf did you serve where it takes 2s per request?

[rugged owl]

I'm going to put a bunch of graphs on my back side of the cheat sheet we can have.

All the graphs

[thick osprey]

9k + rows of a database displayed in a table.

[solemn tulip]

accidentally terrible time complexity?

[young shoal]

i mean python is slow but surely not that slow

[spare oriole]

maybe the slow part is the db part

[young shoal]

unless they were really chunky rows, 9k sounds really small

[thick osprey]

That's just uvicorn having confidence issues trying to serve up 9k rows from a sqlite3 database while rendering the html view as 100 autocannon requests throw rocks at it.

[young shoal]

o

[spare oriole]

maybe you wrote slow code /j

[thick osprey]

I'm surprised it handled the stress at all.

[spare oriole]

are you using aiosqlite3 or what

[thick osprey]

Could be!
https://github.com/Preocts/htmx-fastapi/blob/main/src/htmx_fastapi/transactionstore.py#L52-L82

[thick osprey]

Nope. Just sqlite3

[spare oriole]

oh you're using fastapi + sync code

asyncio might work better here

[thick osprey]

Not even using async functions for FastAPI

[spare oriole]

yes, which means everything justs thrown to a new thread per request

[thick osprey]

The goal is learning htmx and tricks along the way.

"Don't render everything on inital page load" is a good trick to have learned I think.

[spare oriole]

yeah, most pages load things after, or on demand

[thick osprey]

Which is where the performance boost came from. Instead of rendering the table directly, there's an htmx trigger that makes the call for data after the view is loaded.

[solemn tulip]

load a spinner to appease the user

[young shoal]

virtualize the table 😔

or paginate

[solemn tulip]

so what are you measuring actually?

[thick osprey]

Hot take: I can't stand paginated tables in webUIs. If you can't display me all 10k items, what am I even looking at. If I need to interact with something on the bottom of the page; what even is your page layout?

[solemn tulip]

time to first render or time to final render?

[spare oriole]

your projects a bit hard to navigate, forget it

[thick osprey]

Initial page load times. first render.
"I clicked the link... why nothing happened?"

[solemn tulip]

initial load times is an interesting metric

[thick osprey]

It's something I wanted to think about at the moment. "Getting used to webdev" is certainly a stretch. haha

[solemn tulip]

kinda this

[young shoal]

seeing a spinner reduces user frustration by 1000%

[thick osprey]

Absolutely agree as a user. I don't care if that table takes a second to load. I get it. But don't make me question my click on a link. Change the view

[young shoal]

but also, do not load 10k rows at once 😭

[thick osprey]

You're right. Give me 100k.

Give me the entire damn database.

[young shoal]

the slow internet users are wallowing in sorrow

[wanton delta]

heres the database download it and parseit urself

[young shoal]

yeah just give people a pg_dump

[spare oriole]

are you providing me w the sql for that

[solemn tulip]

10k is in the nice region where it actually really starts stressing accidentally quadratic code

[thick osprey]

However, to that point, I have the project set to pull something like 180 days of records? Default would be more sane at "last 3 hours".

If someone wanted to see the last 180 days, feel free to click the buttons. When you land on the page initially, a more sane time-range would be used.

[wanton delta]

nO

[young shoal]

i wonder how you found that out 😩

[spare oriole]

f u

[solemn tulip]

[young shoal]

o. i was guessing you ran into some problem that was fine in testing with small n but failed when you ran into n=10k

[solemn tulip]

(10k)^2 ~ 10^8

[young shoal]

so it would seem

[solemn tulip]

for 1k it's only 10^6 which usually isn't noticably slow in any language

[thick osprey]

one of the end goals for my experimentation is to rip out all the ReactJS code that I can't support easily at work and replace it with htmx. A few admin utility pages for viewing the current state of database times. A few filters. Some ✨ s. And done.

Then I can get back to my usual task of frowning at people making poor observability choices in life.

[solemn tulip]

is time to final still as slow?

[thick osprey]

Oh yeah. async calls to a synchronous sqlite3 database? It's almost software gore.

[spare oriole]

why is that software gore?

[jovial oriole]

async to sync

That shouldnt work

[solemn tulip]

oh it can

[jovial oriole]

Just returns a coroutine right

Or nit

[solemn tulip]

just block for a bit

[jovial oriole]

Why async then

[young shoal]

other async things, presumably

[spare oriole]

^

[wanton delta]

can sqlite do async writes

[jovial oriole]

!pypi aiosqlite

[royal lake]

aiosqlite v0.19.0

asyncio bridge to the standard sqlite3 module

[spare oriole]

!pypi aiosqlite3

[royal lake]

aiosqlite3 v0.3.0

sqlite3 support for asyncio.

[jovial oriole]

Which one

[solemn tulip]

6 indeed

[spare oriole]

second

[jovial oriole]

Hmmm

[spare oriole]

oh wait, seems like it's been archived, wth

[thick osprey]

I'd cry a little if I saw it in prod. That's gore enough for me.

[jovial oriole]

They seem the same

[solemn tulip]

I'm surprised by 2s to fetch 10k rows though

[jovial oriole]

aiosqlite is dropin replacement

Why not use that

[thick osprey]

The stress tester is async. The calls behind the webserver are all locked in sync.

[jovial oriole]

If you're doing async calls anyway

[thick osprey]

It only made 50 requests versus 2k as well. The server was just tripping over itself.

[solemn tulip]

but on first load you do no db stuff, no?

[thick osprey]

The 2 second calls were with db stuff on first load.

The 50ms calls were after I moved the calls to post-load.

[solemn tulip]

right, I'm just curious why it's that slow

[spare oriole]

slow db query

[thick osprey]

The question is what was that slow. It wasn't just the database.

My guess, without a profile, is that uvicorn couldn't keep up with the DB calls happening where they were.

[spare oriole]

i don't think uvicorn is the issue here

[solemn tulip]

how do long do the db calls take actually?

[thick osprey]

The server was tipping. not quite into error land. but enough that the latency went sky high.

[spare oriole]

it can handle millions of calls

you're underestimating uvicorn imo

[solemn tulip]

oh, during low load the latency is more sane?

[thick osprey]

One sec. Let's try something. Let me just make a call to the database on initial load. No rendering still, just the call in the route.

!paste

So, with the database call in place and not doing anything the different is significant
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/CDUQ

Whether the issue is at uvicorn's layer or fastAPI's... meh. I have food in front of me now and have lost the drive to profile deeper.

Also, apparently my coverage tests are failing but github actions auto-merged anyway? huh...

[young shoal]

lol

[thick osprey]

technology was a mistake. I shall return to monkey.

[spare oriole]

dev layer

[thick osprey]

no thoughts, only bloons

[tranquil orchid]

monkey time

[wanton delta]

best i can do 50

[thick osprey]

hmm

[young shoal]

punctuation is crazy

[tranquil orchid]

Yeah punctuation with the random words is so wacky

[spare oriole]

which test is this

[tranquil orchid]

Quote are okay though

[thick osprey]

Without punctuation it feels odd to me

[tranquil orchid]

Gotta give that one a whirl

[young shoal]

wait that's the old one

lmfaoo

jack change your theme

[tranquil orchid]

It appears to have had an adverse effect

[civic pasture]

What’s that?

An app?

[thick osprey]

monkey https://monkeytype.com/

[tranquil orchid]

Okay that was almost sweet until the second half lmao

[young shoal]

😭

[civic pasture]

It’s hard on the phone

Lol

Are you guys typing on the phone

[solemn tulip]

how do I even get your benchmarks to run?

[civic pasture]

Try on the phone

[young shoal]

punctuation + words makes me feel so weird

[civic pasture]

It’s messy on the phone

[young shoal]

makes me feel like i'm having a stroke

[civic pasture]

Wacky

Wacky words

[young shoal]

punctuation is relatively natural due to programming i think. but it definitely slows me down

[solemn tulip]

do I need to be elsewhere to run this?

> python mock_database.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/algmyr/git/htmx-fastapi/mock_database.py", line 10, in <module>
    from htmx_fastapi.transaction import Transaction
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'htmx_fastapi'

[tranquil orchid]

phone feels wrong trying to type fast

[thick osprey]

You need to install the package. python -m pip install -e . (use a venv)
I think I'm missing some requirements at the moment. :)

benchmarks are autocannon. https://github.com/mcollina/autocannon

[spare oriole]

i had some issues trying to get that repo to run

[thick osprey]

I take that back. looks like I remembered to add python-multipart

[solemn tulip]

how tf do you do 83wpm on phone?

[young shoal]

glide typing goes hard

[tranquil orchid]

Tap fast 👀

[thick osprey]

nvim .

[young shoal]

point and laugh

[thick osprey]

sigh

[tranquil orchid]

ayo 👀

[solemn tulip]

nvim . is an interesting strategy

[young shoal]

i used to have a script that would drop me into fzf if i didn't provide arguments

[thick osprey]

If only windows were capable of having a monitor removed without reshuffling the entire hecking window stack.

[young shoal]

my monitors take a different amount of time to wake up, so when it wakes up from sleep it dumps all the windows onto one monitor

[solemn tulip]

my peak on phone was 60 and deteriorated with typos

granted, my keyboard isn't exactly helpful with typos

that + sausage fingers

the keyboardiest keyboard

[young shoal]

do you still get the gboard features with that

[solemn tulip]

lol, imagine

[young shoal]

also what's the point of qwerty on phone anyway

[solemn tulip]

code

[young shoal]

yeah but there's no muscle memory from physical keyboards

i noticed that i had basically no problems using qwerty on my phone even though i lost all my muscle memory with physical keyboards

[solemn tulip]

special characters though

try typing a ` in gboard

it's two levels deep

[young shoal]

i think it's 3 presses unfortunately 😔

though, with my 65% keyboard it's also 3 presses, so 😩

[vale raven]

Auto merge only cares about checks thatre listed as “required”

[solemn tulip]

65% keyboard, 3x the presses

[vale raven]

Bloons!!
My favoritist game!
I’ve been playing for literally [almost] 15 years
Started with v2 in middle school

[young shoal]

bloons!

[vale raven]

How far have you gotten?

[solemn tulip]

I only associate bloons with flash

[young shoal]

btd6 is pretty good

but it doesn't really have that much replayability unless you're playing with friends

which is a problem for me

so instead i leak classified documents on the internet 😤

[high haven]

it sucks at math. its better to use the wolfram alpha plugin

thats what i use for math

[vale raven]

It’s literally set numbers

You can replay all you want with no change

[young shoal]

that's not what it means

[vale raven]

That’s what the word means

[wanton delta]

play mhw with me pls

[vale raven]

Maybe you need to go back 2 skool

[solemn tulip]

I don't get nearly as bad numbers on HEAD~

[vale raven]

Stupid last medal

Hecking HARD

[young shoal]

black borders when?

[vale raven]

I have one!!

[young shoal]

but uh, that's not really what that word means

[solemn tulip]

replayability ~ are repeated playthroughs still satisfying or does it lose all value?

[young shoal]

so true

[thick osprey]

How about at c782357?

[solemn tulip]

oh I'm dumb, it's PR commit and the stuff before it that's part of the PR

[solemn tulip]

am confused now

[thick osprey]

Huh. That should have been before I moved the db calls.

I dunno ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic pasture]

Does anyone know how to install PyTorch

On Mac with M2

[solemn tulip]

so yeah, specifically one off head is slow 🥴

[thick osprey]

#WorksOnMyMachine

[young shoal]

incredible

[thick osprey]

I got lost on my way to bloons and I'm in Hyrule now.

[thick osprey]

about three days

[young shoal]

what if the bloons went off the path also, huh?

[young shoal]

you should go back and play all the bloons in sequence

[solemn tulip]

you mean #BreaksOnMyMachine?

[rugged owl]

Follow guide
only works in older update
#@!&
???
Black boarder

[young shoal]

bruh sg

this is a new side

[rugged owl]

[young shoal]

I mean CR was one thing but now this

[rugged owl]

Your seeing things

[civic pasture]

Guys

I’m the new mod

First things first

[carmine apex]

[civic pasture]

Everyone needs to have a pet Python

In this server

[high haven]

chat

did we do netflix rec's yet or

[young shoal]

three body problem

[high haven]

bruh

1960s china...

mao zedong?

pub you havent even watched this

how can you rec this

[low chasm]

bro

the library has like a two month hold wait for that

I'm thinking of just buying it off for ebay or something

[young shoal]

no one has watched it bro

[high haven]

yeah

[low chasm]

I did

[high haven]

how can you rec this

[low chasm]

books are expensive 😩

[rugged owl]

💯

[high haven]

???

[young shoal]

it's really interesting. that's the backstory for one of the characters

[young shoal]

the trailer looked good

[high haven]

the cultural revolution?

[low chasm]

the Blacklist is good at first, but it gets pretty bad in the later seasons

manifest is kind of ass

[rugged owl]

Netflix is kind of ....

[young shoal]

they grew up during it, yeah

then sci fi stuff happens

[high haven]

interesting maybe ill watch one season

[rugged owl]

"I see your searching for <popular movie>. We don't have it, how about: <Not even close garbage movie>?"

[high haven]

oh its not about communism

[low chasm]

have you seen money heist

I've been meaning to for a while now

[young shoal]

no lol

[rugged owl]

I don't think I made it past episode 2? or 3?

Is that the one with the red suits and masks?

[wraith hound]

Blacklist gets bad after like 3 seasons but super especially at like... 8

[high haven]

wait let me guess they get together. bet

[low chasm]

everyone I know who's watched it raves about it lol

[wraith hound]

no lol

[low chasm]

lmfaoo

[wraith hound]

big bad is like 30 years older

[high haven]

bummer

[rugged owl]

This one right?

[wraith hound]

sort-of-spoilers: ||like half the plot is speculating whether big bad is her dad||

[rugged owl]

I couldn't get past the actual heist itself

[low chasm]

spoilers: ||after she went and died 😩||

[wraith hound]

spoilers: ||they literally kill of the protagonist and yet somehow continue||

same braincell woohoo

[high haven]

interesting

[rugged owl]

wait

that happened in blacklist?

[high haven]

is that new show lupin any good

anybody know

speaking of thieves

[low chasm]

spoilers: ||did they figure out if he was actually her dad or not, I can't recall||

[low chasm]

have you watched it?

[wraith hound]

no idea, i gave up about one episode into s8

[low chasm]

lolol

I stopped after season 7

[rugged owl]

I watched it long ago

[wraith hound]

and it's been a while and my memory is awful

[low chasm]

same here lol

[rugged owl]

All I remember was that MAJOR SPOILERS|| Surprise! Instead of him being your dad, it was your mom!||

Either that or I really don't remember squat

lmao

[low chasm]

I cannot remember at all

Russian something something, wasn't it

[wraith hound]

||katarina rostova was her name||

[wraith hound]

||oh yeah..., that lore was confusing||

[low chasm]

|| wait he's Katarina??? ||

[wraith hound]

||i don't know if it was confirmed, 'tis been a while||

[rugged owl]

Yes...but no... but yes

but no

[low chasm]

apparently the Blacklist is getting a spinoff

[rugged owl]

but also. yes

[low chasm]

blacklist: redemption or something

|| about her husband Tom, it seems ||

[wraith hound]

||is liz going to be alive again or not||

[low chasm]

wild

[rugged owl]

||Liz never actually died?||

[wraith hound]

||the only reason the show was half-decent near the end was watching her pathetically fail at so many things (particularly Raymond)||

[wraith hound]

wait what

i just remember the end of season 7, never went further

[high haven]

|| spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers ||

[rugged owl]

Uh, not sure tbh

don't quote me on that

OH

||Liz does die at the very end of S8 since the actress left||

Yea ok, I mean

let's be real, the show was kinda shit

[low chasm]

fr

[rugged owl]

I had it on for background noise for a good chunk too

[low chasm]

I tend to get invested easily, even in bad shows

that reminds me

I watched agents of SHIELD a whiiiile back

[high haven]

theres a podcast for that

[low chasm]

it's such a good show

[rugged owl]

I dropped that too

somewhere

[high haven]

not that i listen to it

but that podcast was mentioned on another podcast

secondary podcast contact

[grave cove]

y so many black boxes

[low chasm]

get spoiled

[rugged owl]

I don't recall if I finished, or dropped it

[high haven]

|| y so many black boxes||

[low chasm]

do you recall time travel

if not then you didn't finish it

[grave cove]

Rex what's for dinner

[low chasm]

your mother

[high haven]

who are you pub

[grave cove]

bro

[high haven]

i made spaghet

[low chasm]

based

[grave cove]

so based

[high haven]

instead of meatballs, its texas sausage

[rugged owl]

Was agent of shields on prime?

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/somebodytouchamyspagget-spaget-memes-gif-20357634

[low chasm]

Netflix

[high haven]

instead of spaghet, its fettucini

so maybe its not even spaghet

[low chasm]

fitzsimmons is still one of the cutest things ever

[high haven]

[rugged owl]

Looking for "marvel's agent of shield?" We don't have that, but you might like: flash

[low chasm]

aw it might be gone now

[civic pasture]

Disney+ is increasing their prices

To 19.99 I think

[rugged owl]

buddy, listen here. That's the entire different universe

[high haven]

wait i watched this when it came out came out

i thought it was interesting

the nerds were cool

[civic pasture]

I think streaming market is going to die soon

Due to high prices

[rugged owl]

[high haven]

nah. you just get ads instead https://about.netflix.com/en/news/announcing-basic-with-ads-us.

[civic pasture]

As of Oct. 12, Disney+ Premium (with no ads) will jump 27%, rising from $10.99 to $13.99/month for U.S. customers. Hulu without ads will increase 20%, from $14.99 to $17.99/month. The price for Disney+ and Hulu standalone ad-supported tiers will remain at $7.99/month each, and with the bundle of the two still $9.99/month.

[rugged owl]

Netflix has like nothing

[high haven]

did you know they make more money off ad-suported plans than ad-free plans?

thats partly why they had to jack up prices

[low chasm]

I can't remember the last thing I watched off of Netflix

[rugged owl]

It's comically bad now

[low chasm]

Last movie I watched was like a month ago too 🥴

super good movie though

[high haven]

only if you see your data to advertisers

[rugged owl]

Yea, I can see that. More subs @ lower price

[civic pasture]

I have Hulu Netflix Disney+ Paramount+ Amazon Prime BritBox Acorn AMC+ Starz Showtime and Peacock

[high haven]

nah. its the 3rd party advertisers that are actually bringing in the bucks. since adtech is a bid model

[civic pasture]

And Discover+ and Max

[high haven]

this happens with google ads too

you place your bid for ad spots

[civic pasture]

So all of them 🤬

[high haven]

and compete with other peeps

[civic pasture]

I don’t care about ads tbh

[rugged owl]

Oh, you including the ad revenue

well then yea lol

[high haven]

yeah thats why

theyre making more

its not the actual subscribers that are bringing in the dough

[rugged owl]

Going full circle be like

[high haven]

i mean they are, but they arent

[high haven]

wheres your plex

[civic pasture]

I preordered this free tv @high haven https://www.freetelly.com

[high haven]

plex is a running half joke on the vergecast

[civic pasture]

It’s free tv

In return they collect data from you

[high haven]

lel

[civic pasture]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/13/23793525/telly-free-4k-tv-advertising-dual-screen

😋

[high haven]

dont you love adtech

[rugged owl]

55 inch 4k TV is ~$300

[civic pasture]

Lol

[solemn tulip]

seems like a fun hardware hacking project

rip out the ad ridden os

[spare oriole]

||what? how could red be katarina?||

[rugged owl]

|| https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBlackList/comments/15d8jb9/blacklist_staff_confirms_explains_redarina_in/||

But also it was basically shown in the later seasons 8/9/10 or w/e it was

[spare oriole]

what in the whole fucking fuck like, wtf?

what about cape may?

[wanton delta]

the secret society is here

[rugged owl]

No idea. It's been a while since I watched the show.

And tbh, it wasn't a great show to begin with

All I remember was the show basically being:

||Is he your dad or is he not? woooo who knows liz WHO KNOWS MAYBE? mAYBe NOT ||

[spare oriole]

||idk, i always liked it for the blacklisters more than for whether he was liz dad or not||

[solemn tulip]

https://github.com/reactjs/react.dev/issues/3896

[acoustic moss]

lmao

[wanton delta]

jesus f christ how hard is it for people to double check addresses on gogole

wasted 20 minutes looking for the correct address

godamn nuggetr

[harsh tundra]

On the other hand, I know a place where Google address shows in a different place
I used Google as car navigation and it ended weirdly, then I had to go on foot and thankfully local office had a sign not only with a sign but also description where that thing is

[wanton delta]

i'd be livid

[harsh tundra]

The address situation wasn't bad...

The office itself was shit, tho.
I came with forms to submit for my partner's family. Wait in queue, ok. They tell me something is missing. I leave.
I call my partner home, they are like "why tf do they want this, the form was submitted to them, they know whether it was submitted or not without the submission confirmation"
Anyways, I get home, we print this, write it on the forms as attachment, and I go again.
Queue is short this time, another person attends to me... OK, this is here... But something is missing.
Me almost in tears (I have anxiety disorder and hate any confrontation and hate official business stuff, I was supposed to only drop off the forms): what?
The regional office wanted the GDPR information clauses signed. Which is in fact against what GDPR stood for (you don't have to inform about handling information if it's directly related to why this information was provided in the first place - and local gov cannot sell your information, so why???). I tried arguing that a bit, the person told me to just sign and i was like "how am I supposed to sign this if I have more than one form and neither is in my name???". I was also stressed because why the other person didn't say anything before???
I had to go home again. And my partner went because my brain was already too broken.

Note that's around 15 minutes by car one way...

[tulip falcon]

Woah a nickygraph

[wanton delta]

✨ government administration porcess is always bs ✨

no matter where you are

[tulip falcon]

If the government fucks up its your problem 😔

[wanton delta]

😩

[glossy niche]

sorrows back, nature is healing

now we just need keezy

[wanton delta]

AHAHHAHAHAHA

dude's not even here and you're murdering em

[naive igloo]

wtf with that cat

[wanton delta]

it was excited

[onyx mist]

btw, whats the purpose of const? Why can't you just do let if you want to create an immutable variable

in Rust

[tulip falcon]

I don't rust, but it could be the difference between reassignment and mutation.

In JS , a frozen object is one that cannot be mutated, while a const may be mutated but not reassigned

[glossy niche]

What counts as a mutation in js?

[tulip falcon]

Myobject.field = newvalue

That is to say you can modify its fields

In C++, we pass const parameters so that our object is not modified, but we may use it efficiently and directly.

To copy reference types passed as parameters would be inefficient

[glossy niche]

Huh, apparently you also cant push to frozen arrays

Pretty nice

[graceful basin]

I believe const in rust means compile-time computed, like constexpr in C++

[tulip falcon]

Arrays in JS are objects yes

Array basically like List / ArrayList

So frozen array would be like a tuple

You can annotate a tuple in TypeScript but it's wonky, it only checks that it's valid on initialization/assignment

Microsoft said tuples are mutatable because they didn't want to break a lot of code that uses push()

[naive igloo]

const is a constant (and compile-time known)

however there is a difference how it is treated

for example:

const SOMETHING: int = 5;
println!("{}", SOMETHING);
let some_calculations = SOMETHING * SOMETHING;
println!("{some_calculations}");

will be under the hood converted to

// `SOMETHING` doesnt exist at all in memory actually, it gets inlined everywhere
println!("{}", 5);
let some_calculations = 5 * 5;
println!("{some_calculations}");

however let will still exist somewhere in the memory

also const allows for global variables

unlike let, as it is scope-based, if you want a global variable you would have to do static, which has got its own issues (lifetime management mainly)

[naive igloo]

yeah

[timid latch]

(and the optimizer will likely do a similar thing to the let)

[naive igloo]

((depends heavily on the context ig))

(((however with let there would play constant propagation)))

[timid latch]

((((aren't optimizers so cool))))

[wanton delta]

((((((((brackets))))))))

[naive igloo]

(((((they are!!1))))))

[tulip falcon]

🤔

[glossy niche]

Iccc

[ruby fox]

!e

print("("*10 + "brackets huh" + ")"*9)

[tulip falcon]

Return code in python

[royal lake]

@ruby fox :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

((((((((((brackets huh)))))))))

[ruby fox]

I like when I do return 0 in python 😊

[timid latch]

Yes, every process has a return code

[tulip falcon]

I know lol

[sullen pier]

what is the difference between "everyone" and "everybody"?

[thick ore]

what is the difference between "one" and "body"?

[tulip falcon]

Sounds philosophical, the difference between one's consciousness and their body

[small coral]

it's so distinguished in my mind but i can't think of any specific difference

"everybody" sounds more "rough"

[tardy rain]

y'all >

[tulip falcon]

Everybody dance right now.

[sullen pier]

chatgpt says that there is not difference:
User: what is the difference between "everyone" and "everybody"?
Assistant: There is no significant difference between "everyone" and "everybody." Both terms are used interchangeably to refer to all people or every person. Both are indefinite pronouns that are used to indicate a collective or inclusive group of individuals.
User: are you sure?
Assistant: Yes, I am sure. "Everyone" and "everybody" have the same meaning and can be used interchangeably in most contexts. They both refer to all people or every person without any distinction.

"Everyone dance right now" sounds weird

[small coral]

they're interchangeable but there's an internal difference from my years of english speaking that i'm yet to figure out

[tulip falcon]

Real reason: we just need more words linguistically to not get backed into a corner so to speak

[sullen pier]

i also feel like there is some difference, but i cant put it into words

[small coral]

for me it feels like it can be used as "Everyone, dance right now!"

[tulip falcon]

How they flow with other words under certain situations

[small coral]

actually "everybody" sounds a bit weirder for me in that sentence

[tardy rain]

Somebody, anybody, everybody scream

[tulip falcon]

More synonyms for the same word cuts down on repetition, got to stay DRY

[small coral]

there's "everyone calm down" (beginning to panic) and "everybody calm down" (in the height of panic) for me

"everyone stop" is weirder than "everybody stop"

[sullen pier]

i guess everybody usually refers to concrete group of people (if you see them in front of you and you say something about them you use everybody)
everyone is more "abstract", it refers to some unknown groups of people

for example:
everybody in this conversation is very nice
everyone in this server is very nice

[small coral]

that might nail it actually

[tulip falcon]

If you were writing five sentences sequentially that all started with Everybody, your grammar would be lacking.

Same rule goes for any word

But yeah if we break down the actual word, "body" referring to a concrete implementation of class human

While everyone could include artificial consciousness in the room

[naive igloo]

everyone feels less directed

or calling out

which leads to being less "giving orders" or rude (in some contextes)

[tulip falcon]

I need to talk programming 😩

[small coral]

now this actually makes sense

[tulip falcon]

I disagree

[tardy rain]

Beep boop, zorp

Programming talk in my offtopic channels? Smh

[tulip falcon]

Boo far

[small coral]

in here i could refer to everyone as "everybody" (direct) but talking from a 3rd person perspective simply viewing the conversation i'd use "everyone" (less direct)

[tulip falcon]

I thought of a real difference

You could use everyone to refer to objects

Everyone of those jack-o-lanterns is lit

[small coral]

"every one"

not "everyone"

[tulip falcon]

Lol true

Every'ne

[sullen pier]

every'1

∀1

[small coral]

sticking "every" to "one"/"body" makes it one whole subject instead of referring to each subject described by the phrase following "every"

e.g. "every (body of water)" vs "(everybody) [made] of water"

also "everyone"/"everybody" refers to generally people

[tulip falcon]

Well what is "one" and what is a "body"

[small coral]

"everyone"/"everybody" just can't be differentiated by removing "every" and comparing the words

because those two words are completely different

[sullen pier]

word "one" is weird
sometimes it means 1, sometimes it means something like this/he/they

[tulip falcon]

[small coral]

"one body" (quantifier "one" used on "body")

"one of a body" ("one" meaning any general object, made up/coming from "body")

[tulip falcon]

One is still the same abstract object interface

[small coral]

"one's body" ("one" here mostly meaning a human/a human-like thing with consciousness, "body" referring to the physical organism)

[tulip falcon]

That's my point

Therein lies the difference

it's philosophical

[sullen pier]

TIL "therein" is a word 🧐

[small coral]

but it can't be a valid comparison if they rely on each other to get defined as such, right?

actually "one" with a possessive 's generally means "one" is a human form

but without it, "one" can be anything

just like a "body"

[tulip falcon]

One could be abstract and body can't?

One ghost , a ghost couldn't be a body

[sullen pier]

"body" means some abstract physical object

[small coral]

it's a body of something, but not a physical body

[tulip falcon]

One idea, an idea can't be a body

a vessel maybe

[small coral]

actually "one" in those cases is just a quantifier

[tulip falcon]

everyvessel

[sullen pier]

everything

😄

[small coral]

_____ in here

everyone - refers to all humans
everybody - refers to all humans
every one - refers to all humans or any other beings i.e. animals
every body - refers to all objects; maybe human corpses
everything - refers to all non-human objects
every thing - refers to all

[tulip falcon]

Everything includes all objects human or not

Just weird syntactically to say everything dance right now

[small coral]

"everything" is all, "every thing" is all all

[tulip falcon]

Everything capable, including haunted chairs, let's dance!

[small coral]

it's weird

talking about something that is written by instinct

[cobalt remnant]

What about everypony?

[runic plinth]

refers to all bronies

[small coral]

refers to all ponies

[brittle void]

guys, does anyone know how to create a local mongo db with authentication, so that no public user can access it, but only the user who has the credentials?

[tulip falcon]

everypony 🥴

[naive igloo]

now do every object

which means "refers to all of all"

[small coral]

equivalent to "every thing"

[naive igloo]

as we know, everything inherits object 😔

[small coral]

which also may include humans

[naive igloo]

even thing

[solemn tulip]

every object

[naive igloo]

it is

class Thing(object): ...

[tulip falcon]

Real world prototypal inheritance

Do ghosts inherit object?

[naive igloo]

the object, would have actually refered to everything

[naive igloo]

yes!

[solemn tulip]

no, ghosts possess

[tulip falcon]

I guess they inherit before concreteObject comes into play

[solemn tulip]

or haunt maybe

[tulip falcon]

and human has a ghost

[solemn tulip]

only after destruction

you override del to make sure the object stays around

but in an undead state

[tulip falcon]

human::~human(){
new ghost(this);
}destructor

Got to free any allocated memory there RAII

[solemn tulip]

scary leaky allocation

[tulip falcon]

Scary good 😄

Loving these festivities

[ruby fox]

Do objects create ghosts when they are destroyed lol

[tulip falcon]

Only in October