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[quasi blaze]

It’s my opinion

[young shoal]

sure, but you've been trying to convince everyone

[meager sphinx]

thats cool 👍

[graceful basin]

yeah, it is often said that Uni is more stressful than actual work

[young shoal]

I might agree, but I wouldn't know

[tardy rain]

Life is good, theres freedom

[young shoal]

life is bad, there's freedom

[graceful basin]

it is unlikely to line up with my experience, but also I do generally only do uni stuff for like two halfdays a week.

[meager sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jong-un-trump-orangelove-gif-13519456

[tardy rain]

My freedom is calmer and stress free

[jaunty wraith]

sponsored by LG

[young shoal]

full time work part time school?

[quasi blaze]

I got sick of incompetent professors

[graceful basin]

full time school part time work

[grave cove]

Many folks I know say they enjoyed university much more thank work. So that's not really a universal experience

[graceful basin]

I am just really good at studying

[young shoal]

nice same

[graceful basin]

so I can find myself a lot of free time

[young shoal]

nice same

😤

[tardy rain]

Both were good for me, in different ways though

[quasi blaze]

Applying for jobs with no experience as a graduate was a struggle. I don’t wish my struggle upon anybody.

I hope everyone makes it out university

[grave cove]

yah, not always comparable

[quasi blaze]

Defeat your adversary

[young shoal]

you say it like it's a war or something

[quasi blaze]

(Finals)

[meager sphinx]

professors (at least in our colleges) are kinda knowledge lacking ,they are mostly focused on how to guide a student so that they can get marks
even if it comes at a cost of gaining actual applicable skills

dont get me wrong, they are good at heart, they want good for us , but the lack of knowledge is really annoying

[graceful basin]

your experience is not universal.

[quasi blaze]

That’s exactly what exams are

[grave cove]

not really

well, you just need to have a better mindset

[quasi blaze]

If you fail the course, you are placed on a probation

[young shoal]

an exam is just proving you've been doing work all semester

[grave cove]

a good mindset is the key to enjoying anything you do

[low chasm]

naw man I showed up to the AP World exam guns blazing

[quasi blaze]

Are finals not an obstacle?

[graceful basin]

nah, they are more like a formality

[young shoal]

sure, but it's not the hard part

[jaunty wraith]

American moment

[quasi blaze]

So how can it not be a battle?

You have to “beat” the exam

That’s how you pass

[meager sphinx]

bruhh 💀
you can do well whole semester but still get average at exams

[graceful basin]

at least here, the bar for an F is so pathetically low that passing takes no meaningful effort

[young shoal]

you could say it is. but it's not the hard part

[grave cove]

no that's how you get dismissed from the testing center

[young shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ must not have been doing that well

[graceful basin]

you can ignore most subjects all semester and still get an A if you study for like... 3 days

at least IME

[grave cove]

so me

[meager sphinx]

uni exams make you study shit that you might never use
make you write outdated theory and whatnot , that shit is not good for actual skills

there are actual skills and then there is this other shit on top of that

[graceful basin]

yes, most of what you learn will be useless in practice

[grave cove]

keezy I think you're making uni out to be some bad thing everyone has to struggle through but it's really not like that (if you have a positive viewpoint on it)

[young shoal]

that isn't related to doing well in a course though

[tardy rain]

Just show up to class, thats like half your grade right there

[quasi blaze]

After 5PM I don’t have to worry about work until 9AM tomorrow morning. In college I always had to worry about assignments. When I go home after class, I always had to work on assignments.

[graceful basin]

this is because Uni is a machine for emitting ready-made employees, and rather an institute for innovation. Some things you learn are only useful to a small minority, some are useful to a large majority.

[meager sphinx]

the indicator of how you did in a course is the grade you get (at least in academic world)
and that grade involves doing a bunch of other shit that what is relevent

[tardy rain]

I never worried about uni work, thats just a you problem

[grave cove]

that seems like cherry picking one bad thing that happened to you and applying it to everything about uni

[young shoal]

I agree, but you can still study the subject and do well in the course

[graceful basin]

Yeah, I don't think anyone will argue that everything you learn at college is worth learning

[meager sphinx]

well yeah , but not all the knowledge you gain is not worth gaining ( in alot of courses)

[graceful basin]

Some of the stuff in our syllabus is wildly useless

but meh, so what. Just learn it to satisfy the pride of some old academic and move on with your life

[spare oriole]

~~like most things he complains about ~~

[young shoal]

I agree, but just study and at least pass lol

[meager sphinx]

yeah yeah , if you have skills , you dont even have to worry about passing the exam
its the pressure of getting the top score that kills students 💀

[young shoal]

just always be the best, then you don't have to worry

[meager sphinx]

just be the best

well gee, why didnt i think of that 😂

[graceful basin]

there is an entire course of parallel programming which includes algorithms that AFAIK do not exist outside of the syllabus

[young shoal]

that is interesting

not even named differently?

[graceful basin]

IDK, I didn't check too deeply tbh, I didn't have it yet

[young shoal]

seems like a fun class in general

[graceful basin]

ye, I don't doubt it is interesting

may take it next semester

[young shoal]

👀

I'm still going through sad intro courses. maybe soon I'll have fun classes

[graceful basin]

see if you can just get courses for higher years

here you can just ask and take pretty much any class

[young shoal]

yeah. I think I'm technically ahead but meh. they want me to have the prereqs

which is understandable

[graceful basin]

oh, does you uni care about prereqs?

here we have a course whose prereqs are in the same semester as the course

[young shoal]

they call those "corequisites"

[young shoal]

yeah sadly

[graceful basin]

shame

[quasi blaze]

What am I cherry picking? Nearly every university has a policy where if you fail a course, you get placed on probation

[young shoal]

work also has a policy where they fire underperforming workers

[quasi blaze]

Then there’s degree revocation

[spare oriole]

that only happens if you've done something seriously wrong.

[young shoal]

like cheating

[quasi blaze]

I don’t know why anyone would prefer university > work. Work you get paid, University you pay the institution.

[low chasm]

I know a lot of people also seriously enjoying uni, experiences vary

[vale raven]

if you don't have a scholarship, etc,etc

[quasi blaze]

What do they enjoy about it

[meager sphinx]

university developes a mindset, its not just copy pasting info from book into brain
not to mention the connections you build along the way

[vale raven]

Introduce them to @grave cove
He needs help finding the way

[glossy niche]

no scholarship ?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[young shoal]

you've been given reasons, you just ignore them

[quasi blaze]

Is that what you get when you play for their sports team?

[glossy niche]

thats kind of a real problem tbh, unis are too expensive, i enjoyed uni, but its probably because i did have a scholarship

[glossy niche]

its a mix, you can get one with good grades, or by doing sports i guess

[quasi blaze]

unis are too expensive

Exactly!

[young shoal]

depends on country, really

[meager sphinx]

there exists scholerships.....

[spare oriole]

No, you can get scholarship for many reasons, not just sports.

[quasi blaze]

I do feel privileged to go to college though. Not everyone can afford to go.

[low chasm]

the freedom, hanging out with friends, clubs and whatever

[glossy niche]

tahts not the unis fault tbh, thats a straight up political problem

[quasi blaze]

You can do that with the money you earn from work

[meager sphinx]

finding potential co founders for a startup

[tulip falcon]

How can you work if you can't get a job

[spare oriole]

so you'd buy friendships with the money you earn from a job?

[meager sphinx]

with whom ? your collegues ?

[low chasm]

sure, but I imagine it's easier to make friends in uni than it is to make friends at work - age groups are closer, you may be living together, and through clubs, similar interests bring you together.

[glossy niche]

works sucks by definition, why would my boss give me money to do something i enjoy? id do it for free if it was fun

[low chasm]

there's community colleges and such

[quasi blaze]

No you use the money to spend on activities with your friends.

[low chasm]

how do you make friends?

[spare oriole]

you kidnap them, duh

[low chasm]

I'm not saying you can't make friends once you're out of school, but it's likely harder.

[meager sphinx]

not to mention a degree you get from uni still holds pretty good value in todays world

[quasi blaze]

Yeah and your neighbourhood friends

[glossy niche]

act insane in public and see how does not get weirded out

[tulip falcon]

Pay money to make friends

[spare oriole]

once you grow up and get a job you don't tend to be friend with people in your neighborhood

[quasi blaze]

Neighborhood, nightclubs, elementary school

[grave cove]

I'm having fun 🥺

[low chasm]

elementary school?

[meager sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/ltt-linus-linus-tehc-linus-tech-tips-poggersepic-gif-23430099

[quasi blaze]

Yes

[grave cove]

It just took a lil but to get to know people

[spare oriole]

college is fun

it's not fun for everybody though

[glossy niche]

elem school is the one place i wouldnt make friends at lol

i dont even remember the names of those ppl i met there

[graceful basin]

Yeah, plenty of people do actually like the academic environment.

[low chasm]

like, young children elementary school?

[quasi blaze]

No…your friends from elementary school

[spare oriole]

i don't like the academic enviroment, i like the social enviroment more

[tulip falcon]

I like getting rich not academic environment

[glossy niche]

i am one of those people as long as the environment isnt bad

[meager sphinx]

i like venv

[low chasm]

right, if you've kept your friends around since that long

[glossy niche]

like, no idiotic teachers, cclass mates, business courses, etc

[young shoal]

academia at the undergrad level is chill. very rigid

[graceful basin]

I mean, it is fairly rare I would be forced to work with someone I truly dislike beyond like... one exam/project, at uni.

at work, you work with who you get, if they suck, too bad.

[quasi blaze]

College courses had research paper assignments, essays with APA format. That’s not what I wanted to go to college for. I wanted to learn how to develop.

[grave cove]

I don't think so. People fail courses all the time. Just take it again

[meager sphinx]

esp your manager 💀

[spare oriole]

i've only kept some friends since elementary school since i ended up going with them to middle and high school.

[grave cove]

You may be thinking of good academic standing, which is like 2.0+ GPA

[vale raven]

"a lil butt"
Gotten in a fraternity I see

[spare oriole]

learning how to do your research and being able to present your work in a good way is an important part of a career like software development

[low chasm]

I'm no longer really friends with people I hung out with in elementary school - partly because we've gone to different schools, and haven't really been around each other. Granted, I do have friends since my childhood who, while didn't go to my elementary school, I've just been around since like, forever

[graceful basin]

Yup, college is not a bootcamp, you learn a lot of things, most of which aren't related to your interests. This is probably a consequence of the fact all colleges are academic institutions.

[quasi blaze]

When I failed a course, I was placed on probation. If I failed another course again, I would be placed on suspension. I was struggling and it was not a great experience.

[grave cove]

strange

[graceful basin]

Ya, failing courses does suck

[quasi blaze]

I failed Linux Administration

[spare oriole]

in my college you need to fail 3 or more courses in a single semester in order to get placed on probation, if this happened for another semester then you would get suspended

maybe your college was just really strict

[graceful basin]

Here you need at least of all courses you took or 30 credits, whichever is less

or fail a mandatory course twice

[grave cove]

I don't think failing a class is really that uncommon

[graceful basin]

after which you can get request an exception

Ye, quite a few people do fail a subject here and there

[spare oriole]

it's really not. many people fail courses.

[foggy jungle]

General education has applications aside from just... work.

[young shoal]

we're allowed to retake the same required course 3 times. after that, you're switching majors

[grave cove]

yeah, brush it off, take it again. Not too big a deal

[tulip falcon]

This conversation makes me want to die

[graceful basin]

college is not really general education though

[quasi blaze]

I have seen a university have a requirement to score at least a 70% to successfully complete a course. That’s too high.

[spare oriole]

sadly for some people it is.

[foggy jungle]

Buh... I mean a fair bit of your coursework is going to be general education

Err at least in the US it is

[spare oriole]

i don't think that's too high, would you want someone to hand in work at a 70% completeness?

[graceful basin]

ah, in EU it isn't

[grave cove]

That's how it is in most unis and that's not all that high

[quasi blaze]

If you fail three times, you’re booted out of the college

[graceful basin]

at least here nothing from my courses is something I would expect of most people

[quasi blaze]

At least for my college

[young shoal]

I mean, at work, if you meet 70% of requirements you're not shipping that feature

[graceful basin]

the difference is if you meet 70% of the requirements at work, you piss of a couple people and get an extension to finish the rest

colleges will just give up on you instead

[spare oriole]

depends on the college.

[young shoal]

well you do get to retry

or you get fired at work

[graceful basin]

gettting fired from a software job for lacking performance is not something I have ever heard about.

[quasi blaze]

hand in work? Probably not. For exams? Yes.

[graceful basin]

short of really extreme examples ala Jane is great

[young shoal]

huh. that sounds great for the underperformers

[quasi blaze]

It’s hard to score a 70% on an exam with pure memorization

[graceful basin]

interesting, that has not been my experience at all

[glossy niche]

sounds great for me because i constantly worry about getting fired lol

[young shoal]

in the US it's super easy to fire people so... they do

[tulip falcon]

I mean one of the worlds biggest shitheads in here somehow graduated and has a job

[graceful basin]

for working too slowly? Most of the cases I hear about are layoffs and such

[glossy niche]

had a FAANG interview lined up and got cancelled after a layoff 👍

love layoffs

[spare oriole]

if you had someone working for you, would you want them to hand in their work at 70% completeness or quality?

[graceful basin]

you pretty much never want to fire someone actively working on a project

since if that project was delayed before, it is not shipping once you fire them

[quasi blaze]

No but I won’t fire them. I will extend time to complete it.

[spare oriole]

what if they can't do any better than 70% because they don't have the knowledge or skills to complete?

[young shoal]

your customer wants it by a certain date. can't extend

[glossy niche]

yeah, its easy to forget how deep the well goes, everytime i think that i suck at SWE i remember that my classmates could even pass web dev exams

[graceful basin]

customer is going to have to cope

[young shoal]

customer is going to a different company

[spare oriole]

if you consistently get less than say 70% on tests, then that'd be an indicative that you don't have the neccesary knowledge

[quasi blaze]

Customer will have to wait. If anything I will give them a discount.

[graceful basin]

they already paid you for the project, are they going to wait an extra month or go through the pain of getting a refund?

[spare oriole]

sunk cost fallacy

[low chasm]

eh?

[young shoal]

next time at least

[graceful basin]

oh yes, being bad at meeting deadlines isn't going to earn you favours

but it is also the most common way software projects go

[tulip falcon]

If they can do it anyone can. I might even dip out of this server for a while

[low chasm]

let's not call people shitheads, yeah?

[graceful basin]

Ye, that is a difference between Uni and IRL - Uni cares a lot more about deadlines and such, work will often find a way to cope because fundamentally the things do need to happen.

[spare oriole]

sounds like get hired once and only once kind of situations

[solid elbow]

Ehhh... it's still not super common to get fired for poor performance, even in the US. Companies can, but usually don't. I'd bet that something like 1% or 2% of employees are managed out due to poor performance, and considering that just under 50% are below average performers... 🤷

[graceful basin]

IG one exception would be sth like that insane amazon thing where you fire the bottom 10% regularly

[glossy niche]

TBF amazon is insanely shady

[young shoal]

mass producing ex-FAANG employees

[solid elbow]

Even there, it's only 10%. Plenty of below average employees don't get fired, even at a company known for firing many people

[hexed sierra]

request to rename it MANGA

[glossy niche]

they literally wont let you take a piss on the clock

[graceful basin]

if its 10% a year, that is a majority of employees getting fired over poor performance long term (which is IIRC what the amazon thing was)

but well, they did supposedly run out of people to hire

[glossy niche]

i heard from friends in FAANG that teams often gang up one guy and try to get them fired in amazon so that they can keep themselves safe

[young shoal]

that makes sense

[graceful basin]

ahh, smart. Beating the metrics

[solid elbow]

That would only be true if people's average tenure was at least 5 years

[graceful basin]

IG it is true that most people will just burn out, fair enough

you excel at what you measure, and when you measure "not being at the bottom 10% of the company", you could end excelling at"how effectively can I get someone else to be at the bottom 10% of the company"

[hexed sierra]

consistently at the top 89%

[solid elbow]

Or job hop? Average tenure for junior to mid level ICs is only 2 to 3 years

[graceful basin]

also fair

[solid elbow]

Plenty of reasons to leave a job besides burnout... work/life balance, location, remote work options, pay, vacation time, benefits, enjoyment of the work, etc

Or just a general "the grass is always greener", heh

[tulip falcon]

I feel like everyone else would make all the right and perfect moves in my position in life

Like I don't have enough time to figure whether or not it's contrived to even be doing it

[solemn tulip]

||below median||

[solid elbow]

Median is one type of average, and honestly the only type of average that makes sense when talking about performance

Since performance isn't particularly quantifiable, mean and mode don't seem like useful ways to analyze it

[glossy niche]

iirc there isnt actually a formal mathematical definition for "average", but we have at least 10 different "averages" in statistics

[young shoal]

some senior c# dev roasted my code 😭

ah, they're a principal

title inflation goes hard

though it is pretty bad. I've literally never used c# before this so... not my fault 😇

[solemn tulip]

I think effectively in everyday speech average is taken to mean arithmetic mean

[young shoal]

arithmetic mean you mean?

[solemn tulip]

but right, mathematically it's not a single thing

err

right

average usually means a mean but might mean not a mean

so many uses of mean

[young shoal]

mean

[solid elbow]

I don't think that's true. I think it much more commonly means median

[young shoal]

I think on average it means arithmetic mean

maybe this is a ~generational gap~

[solid elbow]

how many feet does the average person have?

if you say "2", that's because you understand the question to mean the median person, not the arithmetic mean person

[young shoal]

or you're rounding

[solid elbow]

well, are you?

was your mental math on that question "probably somewhere around 1.999, but I guess I'll say 2"?

[young shoal]

yeah. though it was tainted by memes saying "the average person has less than 2 legs" or something to that effect

[solemn tulip]

from everybody's favorite reliable source of knowledge, wikipedia:

In ordinary language, an average is a single number taken as representative of a list of numbers, usually the sum of the numbers divided by how many numbers are in the list (the arithmetic mean).

[solid elbow]

I think a dictionary is much more useful here than an encyclopedia. Merriam Webster's first definition is:

: a single value (such as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or represents the general significance of a set of unequal values

And it also includes:

: a level (as of intelligence) typical of a group, class, or series

When we talk about "the average person", or "average income", or "average performance", we're taking that meaning - "typical", not arithmetic mean

[solemn tulip]

(if it wasn't obvious, my initial sentence was somewhat sarcastic)

[glossy niche]

https://twitter.com/kareem_carr/status/1687481704225882113?s=20 a thread i really like about this by an account i like

[solid elbow]

it was, I just find this to be an interesting debate 🙂

[glossy niche]

fku elon i wil rename x.com to twitter.com in every single link i use

[solid elbow]

I especially think the suggestion that this is a generational divide to be unlikely. I think the average person thinks of things like "average performance" or "average first time home cost" to mean "typical", and not "mean"

[solemn tulip]

typical might not align with neither median nor mean though

might be mode

[solid elbow]

indeed, indeed.

[solemn tulip]

it's...very ill-defined

[solid elbow]

phrases like "the average person would say" just wouldn't make any sense at all if you're using the "arithmetic mean" definition, though

[solemn tulip]

which I guess is why we have so many measures for is

[hexed sierra]

if you think of it as the expected value though, "average" does make sense

[solemn tulip]

you are missing a part of that sentence I feel

you kinda need some single metric to talk about an average

an average person doesn't really exist in any sense

[solid elbow]

yet https://www.google.com/search?q="the+average+person" has 33 million hits

[glossy niche]

a tl;dr

[hexed sierra]

the standard definition applies pretty straightforwardly though

[solemn tulip]

which definition?

[hexed sierra]

construct a probability mass/density function of a vector of properties from observations and compute the expected value, be it discrete or continuous

[solemn tulip]

what is the value?

[solid elbow]

2a
: being about midway between extremes

a man of average height
2b
: not out of the ordinary : COMMON
on an average day
the average person

[hexed sierra]

then you get a theoretical average person. all people are equal to this person with probability 0, sure, but that's how all statistics work

[hexed sierra]

all of them at the same time, it'll be a joint distribution over all the parameters you care about

[solemn tulip]

what is person1 + person2?

[hexed sierra]

or a marginal over the ones you like

[hexed sierra]

you don't need this for it to make sense

[solemn tulip]

you kinda do?

[hexed sierra]

you just need a probability attached to each person_i

[glossy niche]

i remember a vsauce video where they tried to figure out how likely you were to be perfectly average at everything and the probability was like 1 in a million

[solid elbow]

only for using arithmetic mean. Even the other types of mathematical averages don't require adding

[hexed sierra]

how do you add two heads or two tails when tossing coins? you don't need this

you only need a mapping from the event space to a measurable space

[solemn tulip]

a median requires persons to be conparable

which is...not really well defined either

[hexed sierra]

that's completely separate from what you said earlier though

indeed some features don't make sense to attach metrics to

not in the "median" and quantiles sense

but you can still attach probabilities to them

it's a discrete space, just like your regular categorical distributions. this is well defined

[solemn tulip]

but to get some expected value like you describe you end up weighing things together, no?

[hexed sierra]

you can attach numerical properties to categories as well, but not uniquely

[solid elbow]

yes, but doesn't require you to be able to do "person1 + person2", as you suggested

[hexed sierra]

that would depend on your choice

but rather, there are infinitely many ways of doing it, not none

[glossy niche]

iirc an expected value is the mean of a probability distribution

[solemn tulip]

there was some mention of expected value which was what I was thinking of when I first wrote that

[solemn tulip]

yes

which boils down to a weighted addition

(or integral in the general case)

[glossy niche]

soooooo a weighted arithmetic mean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighted_arithmetic_mean

[solid elbow]

"expected value" doesn't require things to be comparable, though

the expected value of a coin weighted towards heads is heads, even though we can't compare heads to tails

[solemn tulip]

which ends up being defined with addition, hence the weirdness of person1 + person2 = ???

[hexed sierra]

that, plus you can encode non numeric events into metric spaces of your choice

it's not an issue at all

all you need is the relative likelihood of each category

[graceful basin]

You can have an average without a sum returning a meaningful value, consider a set of temperatures, a sum of two temperatures is meaningless, but an average of temperatures is meaningful

[solemn tulip]

you can talk about a "superposition" I guess, but that won't boil down to a single meaningful value

[glossy niche]

not sure what you mean by this, i think it depends on whether or not an operation is closed over addition?

[hexed sierra]

time to whip out the definition of the expectation of a categorical variable

[glossy niche]

for example, a value between 1 and zero is not closed over addition

[graceful basin]

That's not quite related

[glossy niche]

and we have to use the harmonic mean for that

oh, mb, i misunderstood

[hexed sierra]

and indeed, this is exactly the definition of the expectation for these variables 😛 the vector of relative likelihoods

[graceful basin]

There is no definition of sum of two temperatures where the result is meaningful

[glossy niche]

what do you mean then? i dont quite understand

[hexed sierra]

you can map it to a single value if you choose a meaningful embedding

[glossy niche]

with that message above

[graceful basin]

I mean that despite the fact you can't add two temperatures, you can average temperature

[solemn tulip]

you kinda need some kind of projection (for lack of a better word)

[hexed sierra]

machine learning people like "one-hot encoding" because it forms an orthonormal basis and all categories are equidistant. it anyway leaves you with a superposition though

[glossy niche]

uhhh, i cant add 2 temperature?

[graceful basin]

it isn't a meaningful value

[solemn tulip]

adding 2 temperatures does make sense, but not in C or F

[glossy niche]

how so?

[solemn tulip]

in Kelvin it does

[graceful basin]

Ye, I am talking about temp in celsius

[glossy niche]

im dead certain you can add temperatures and get something meaningful

[hexed sierra]

but there's nothing wrong with having that superposition of values. as discussed earlier, the expected value does not describe any particular member of the population at all, it's a property of the entire population together

[solemn tulip]

(or Rankine if you want to be terrible)

[solemn tulip]

but to get something useful out you need to apply some "projection" or whatever

[hexed sierra]

why?

[glossy niche]

if adding 2 temps together doesnt work, then how do you units like joules per kelvin exist? (for measuring heat capacity)

[solid elbow]

numerically you can, but you don't get something semantically meaningful

[hexed sierra]

you can draw elements from the distribution if you like, but that is not necessary

[glossy niche]

not trying to be contrarian, genuinely curious

[solemn tulip]

to get some useful number out I meant

[hexed sierra]

that expected value is already a perfectly interpretable property of the whole population

[graceful basin]

as I said, I was talking about temp in celsius

[hexed sierra]

from the moment we were discussing multivariate events, you were at BEST going to get a vector of numbers, not one number

that's before even considering non numeric properties

[glossy niche]

The SI unit for heat capacity of an object is joule per kelvin (J/K or J⋅K⁻¹). Since an increment of temperature of one degree Celsius is the same as an increment of one kelvin, that is the same unit as J/°C.

i dont see why celsius is treated differently from kelvin

[graceful basin]

0C is not 0 K

[hexed sierra]

if you put height and age as properties, you'll get numbers out of them. now add other properties you like. like hair color and being right or left handed. we can do this by adding one property for each: black hair, blonde hair, red hair, etc... left handed, right handed

and now we give a number to each

[solemn tulip]

you would call this what? an embedding?

[graceful basin]

adding 0C+0C should not be giving you 0C, that doesn't quite make sense.

[hexed sierra]

and we have a meaningful result. the average person is e.g. 0.6 right handed, 0.4 left handed, 0.5 curly, etc (i made the numbers up)

[hexed sierra]

yeah

[solemn tulip]

I agree there is this superpositional space of all humans

[glossy niche]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i get it now

[solemn tulip]

and that you need to embed to get anything more tangible out

[solid elbow]

honestly, adding 0K + 0K doesn't make sense, either. It makes sense to subtract two absolute temperatures, giving you a temperature delta, but it doesn't make sense to add to absolute temperatures - only to add a temperature delta to a temperature

[glossy niche]

is this like a requirement for something to be an EV, or is it just a desired property or....? i dont have a strong math education so im not sure about thosee things

[hexed sierra]

i like me some barycentric coordinate system of human properties

[glossy niche]

doesnt 0k mean 0 energy?

[hexed sierra]

the what?

[glossy niche]

ignore my question :/

[solemn tulip]

thankfully kelvin is all deltas relative to a sensible 0 😛

[solid elbow]

I suppose, but that wasn't really the point I was making. Change 0K to 1K instead

[solemn tulip]

I guess it boils down to celsius and fahrenheit being affine while kelvin is linear

linear in...enthropy I think?

[young shoal]

enthalpy

[solemn tulip]

let me refresh my thermodynamics...

[young shoal]

∆H !!!

[glossy niche]

An absolute scale differs from an arbitrary, or "relative", scale, which begins at some point selected by a person and can progress in both directions. An absolute scale begins at a natural minimum, leaving only one direction in which to progress.

The kelvin, symbol K, is a unit of measurement for temperature. The Kelvin scale is an absolute scale, which is defined such that 0 K is absolute zero

from everyones fav wikipodia

i trhink i kinda get it now

[fair summit]

Celsius change "dead" to "boiled"

[fair summit]

Imagine someone finds out about -1 kelvin temperature

[solid elbow]

I feel like I haven't managed to express the point I was trying to make:
Adding two temperatures is only semantically sensible if one of them represents a delta from the other. It doesn't make sense if they're discrete measures, regardless of whether we're talking about C or F or K. It makes sense to say that "the ice cooled my 100C tea by 30C to 70C", but it doesn't make sense to measure the tea before, see that it's 100C, measure the tea afterwards, see that it's 70C, and ever add that 100C and 70C together. It doesn't make sense to add two measured temperatures together, it only makes sense to add a measured temperature to a temperature delta, or a temperature delta to a temperature delta

[graceful basin]

and yet, there is a meaningful average there

[hexed sierra]

twist the knife why don't you

[solemn tulip]

it does make sense for things that are linear though, every value is a meaningful delta relative to zero

[fair summit]

50C + 100C = 75C if we are talking about lossless liquid mixing

[glossy niche]

ah, i get it now, thats why the heat capacity formula works, one of the temps is relative, thanks for taking the time to write it out

[hexed sierra]

temperature is not linear though. energy is

[solemn tulip]

the kelvin scale is a linear scale, no?

[hexed sierra]

not of energy, no

[fair summit]

Temperature capacity changes with temperature

[hexed sierra]

the temperature in K of an object depends on the energy and properties of the object

you could only add temps of all the other properties are also equal so that they'd produce a linear delta of temperture

[glossy niche]

you know im glad i went to CS and not CSE

[solid elbow]

it really doesn't. Taking my tea example, except converted to Kelvin:
Tea was originally 373.15K
After ice, it's now 343.15K
What does the value 373.15K + 343.15K represent?

[fair summit]

What is Kelvin in seconds meters and kilograms?

[hexed sierra]

if we're talking thermodynamic temp it makes sense, but that's because of boltzmann's constant normalizing everything w.r.t. mass and volume

that's what i mean by "properties of the object"

[fair summit]

Temperature is imaginary

Can colder object when mixed with something make it hotter except chemical reactions

?

[hexed sierra]

with very low probability

[fair summit]

Is there temperature with ∆time = 0?

[hexed sierra]

i think the internet is hurting you

[solemn tulip]

right, I'm talking thermodynamic temperature

maybe I should have been clearer about that

[graceful basin]

I can imagine some insane scenario where the friction of the mixing introduces more heat than the cold saps

[fair summit]

But 100C steel is more thermal energy than 100C water (1kg) why can't 100C steel make 0C water to 200C water?

[solemn tulip]

there are weird systems where you get lower temperatures by adding energy

or rather

add energy, enthropy goes in the wrong direction from what you expect

[fair summit]

Im already hurted so much so you don't need to worry

[solemn tulip]

but it kinda boils down to how you define temperature in the first place

rollercoaster of a discussion, huh?

[hexed sierra]

at any rate, if you throw people in a blender, we can define addition as pouring them into a beaker. then the average person is pretty similar to a sausage

[solemn tulip]

soylent green sausage

will it blend: humanity

[crystal spruce]

I just clicked on a math question on quora

and it gave me a link to a suicide prevention hotline

[naive igloo]

yes, afaik

i will assume we got 1kg of steel as well

[naive igloo]

i think i messed up

by my calculations

if you put in a 100*C cube out of 100kg of steel

into 0*C cube of 100kg of water

water will "warm up" to -112*C

[fair summit]

How tf

[naive igloo]

i think i should have taken average of tempatures

instead of actual energy they hold

cuz water holds more energy at 0*C

than steel at 100*C

or

i messed up c values

eh, doesnt seem so

[fair summit]

Cw is?

[naive igloo]

thermal capacity of water

idk how to fully translate it tho

it is "удельная теплоемкость"

[fair summit]

Joul/(kg*kelvin)?

[naive igloo]

yes

basically for water

[graceful basin]

Did you account for the fact the heat will balance between the two items, rather than swap fully

[naive igloo]

so yes

[naive igloo]

it reads like

[fair summit]

Cw = 4220 (J/kg*k) ?

[naive igloo]

to warm up 1kg of water by 1K, you need 4220 Joules of energy

[fair summit]

Cs = 550 J/kg*K

[naive igloo]

that is for steel

[fair summit]

Q?

[naive igloo]

that is for water

[naive igloo]

energy

most likely thermal energy

but i havent studied that deeply yet

i just know "Q" means "Energy"

[graceful basin]

I am pretty sure the split will not be 50/50, the split will be such that the temperature of steel and water is the same

[naive igloo]

so i should have done

t = 1/2 * ( t_s + t_w )

?

[fair summit]

Qs = 550(J/kg*K) * 100(kg) *373.15(K) = 20.5e9(J) ?

[graceful basin]

No, you need to find such a temperature that Qw+Qs=Q at that temperature

Don't remember if that has any formula beyond just the obvious algebra

[fair summit]

Why energies should be equal?

[graceful basin]

Nvm I did it wrong

[fair summit]

dTemperature depends on difference of temperatures

[naive igloo]

let me find my 8th grade physics book

uh

[fair summit]

If its 0, so temperature don't "flow"

[naive igloo]

i studied that last year

[graceful basin]

now it should be good

where Q is the total heat of the system

I am like 70% sure C=1/2(Cw+Cs) would work to get the right temperature

[fair summit]

Total energy, average temperature capacity, total mass.
divide and get

[naive igloo]

soo

our book tells us to solve such tasks

by finding an equation, where the left hand side is how much energy object a got

and right hand side is how much energy is lost for object b

so based on some example from the book:

c_s * m * (t_s - t) = c_w * m * (t - t_w)
c_s * (t_s - t) = c_w * (t - t_w)

now we just need to solve for t

[fair summit]

Where your energy go?

[naive igloo]

it expanded

[fair summit]

Why you devide by 2?

[naive igloo]

Q = c * m * t_delta

[naive igloo]

where?

that was wrong btw

so dont look at my prrvious solution

correct answer is 11.5*C

[fair summit]

20.5+115.3 =135.8 total energy
(4220+550)/2 = 2385 average capacity
135800000 / (2385 * 200)= 284.7 K = 11.5 C

[naive igloo]

screenshots still uploading...

[fair summit]

Uh no

[naive igloo]

i just fed that equation into a qalculate

uhm, it solved it

(i was too lazy to do that by hand)

[fair summit]

Idk then

[naive igloo]

my book was correct

ah wait

you solved it

[fair summit]

Uh no uts ok

[naive igloo]

you just solved in kelvin

[fair summit]

I devided by 100 kg first time, but there are 200 so

11.5

[naive igloo]

yeah makes sense actually

we just treat the system as 1 object

[fair summit]

chemical lessons: Solutions

[naive igloo]

its physics

[fair summit]

Temperature could be treated as fluid
If gravity can be treated as force

Like, why not if it works

[naive igloo]

total mass of the system is 200kg, so that is prob why 200

[fair summit]

That is exactly why

[naive igloo]

ye

[naive igloo]

innit gravity is force?

[fair summit]

No it's curvature of spacetime

[naive igloo]

ah

well by newton's physics :)

[fair summit]

But it's still in use since it's way harder to solve curvature

[naive igloo]

mhm

[quasi blaze]

I’m sick of cancel culture

[honest star]

A vast majority of the time "cancel culture" is just people facing consequences when they say bad and shitty things though

[glossy niche]

bro who cancelled u

[quasi blaze]

Nobody.

[glossy niche]

:/

[quasi blaze]

They bring up crap of what one person said or did 10 years ago.

Trying to be some moral police or something

[glossy niche]

I think the only ppl who do that r grass allergic twitter addicts

I mean it's not like they will guillotine you for laughing at a racist meme in 2009

~~right guys? ~~

[wanton delta]

am i bad person to laugh or snort at some off color joke

[glossy niche]

yes we should imprison you

[wanton delta]

idk like those jokes are still floating around in YT videos say

[wanton delta]

you can have me as long as i have internet, pc and bed, and food

[glossy niche]

relatable

[quasi blaze]

I made a dark humor joke and it got censored

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/cancel-culture-strikes-again-gif-25590506

[quasi blaze]

You can’t be free if you can’t be funny

[meager sphinx]

not this shit again

[quasi blaze]

The liberty of creative expression is vital for our society

Music, comedy, writing stories and etc

Do all artists have to limit themselves from freely expressing their creative abilities because the sensitive gets offended?

[honest star]

You understand that it doesn't give you the right to post whatever you want on a company's platform that they host, right? It also doesn't mean that people can't respond to those viewpoints and react accordingly.

[meager sphinx]

no , just be ready to face consequences

[quasi blaze]

I’d rather have one be held accountable for what one said than for that one to be restricted from their speech.

[young shoal]

[glossy niche]

that's not very practical

[fair summit]

You can just keep those private

[glossy niche]

we can't educate everyone who makes insensitive jokes, we can't let them run around either, so just telling them to shut it in public spaces works better, different story in private spaces

[fair summit]

And publish edited version

With pay 100$ to see full

[meager sphinx]

it all depends on what joke you tell where tbh
anything that is funny to someone can be offensive towards someone/something

[honest star]

And like... if you're mad that a "joke" made on YT got censored... well that's Youtube's platform. They can absolutely impose whatever rules they'd like on their platform in terms of allowed speech. That doesn't stop you from hosting your own blog and sharing your views there.

[glossy niche]

gross/offensive jokes are like taking a piss, everyone needs to do it every once in a while, just don't do it in the walmart fruit isle :)))

:)))))))

[vale raven]

Speaking from experience?

[ruby fox]

chat is this real?

[grave cove]

[glossy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-true-raapberry-pi-pico-pcb-dungeons-and-fakultet-gif-24324824

[quasi blaze]

I’m glad Elon Musk changed the landscape of Twitter; Allowing more freedom of expression of that platform.

He’s being a great representative for encouraging people to express their ideas

[grave cove]

[meager sphinx]

previously governments censored what they wanted, now dude ( E-musk) does the job personally 💀

[wanton delta]

who is this man and why is he on a pi pico

[glossy niche]

thats my best friend adachi from persona 4

[ruby fox]

have you seen comments like "HIDDEN TALENT 🔥🔥🔥🔥 KEEP IT HIDDEN 🔥 🔥🔥🔥"?

[wanton delta]

lul

[quasi blaze]

No

[glossy niche]

bruh

[ruby fox]

you havent seen the face of whole internet then

[tropic lichen]

he was a true free speech warriror when a ton of journalists who were critical of him just suddenly happened to be suspended once he was in charge

[grave cove]

truly

[tropic lichen]

oh and when he made up some new policy regarding saying where people are, in order to ban elonjet, which have since never been enforced for anything nor anyone else

[ruby fox]

hmmm do we need free speech, or free opinion

[grave cove]

we need people to drop the idea that they can be as offensive as they want on a private platform and get mad when they get "censored"

[jaunty wraith]

hate speech has also increased significantly on Twitter after Musk took over

[quasi blaze]

It’s a great point you made. If it’s privately owned platform, you can make up whatever rules you want.

[jaunty wraith]

like, literal hate speech

[quasi blaze]

Who gets to decide what is “hate speech.”?

[jaunty wraith]

do you think racist and sexist and transphobic comments are not hate speech?

[ruby fox]

recently comment sections of instagram, just became the worst place i have ever seen

[honest star]

Also Elon has censored people at the request of specific governments to influence elections soooooooooo, not sure how free that speech is

[plucky ridge]

And people who he just doesn't like or agree with

[wanton delta]

glad i use x for memes only

[ruby fox]

what is free speech for you? 🤔

[glossy niche]

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/5/2/twitter-fulfilling-more-government-censorship-requests-under-musk

:D

[quasi blaze]

Free speech is the liberty to express your personal ideas, personal beliefs and facts in the parameters of a respectful civil discussion, conversations and debates without the means one being censored for the aforementioned expressions.

[ruby fox]

respectful civil discussions 🤔

[ruby fox]

they literally mean by be kinder, and be understanding of other party's situation

[quasi blaze]

Yes. That includes no name-calling, insults and no ad hominem attacks in these discussions.

That’s how you have a respectful debate

[glossy niche]

keezy have u ever tried studying philosophy, specifically. ethics?

[quasi blaze]

Not deeply. Why?

[glossy niche]

because it touches on a lot of the topics that you debate and think that there's a lot that you will find interesting there

[ruby fox]

a respectful debate is where, both parties know the other party's situation and hardships.

[quasi blaze]

That sounds like empathy to me.

More than anything

[ruby fox]

well, why not? if you can understand why are they in position to debate you, you would come to understand what is right and wrong

[quasi blaze]

Well look how long this conversation has been going and how it evolved? Censorship would have never moved this conversation forward.

[ruby fox]

"Hey, i dont like your opinion,im not gonna hear anything from you" or "I would like to understand, why you are against my opinion?" what do you prefer

[quasi blaze]

The latter

[glossy niche]

if the server "censored" us it would be less about you having a different opinion and more about ppl not wanting to discuss this stuff here

[ruby fox]

there are many ways to draw a conversation, few words, and few meanings which would hurt others, or irritate others would be surely censored

[grave cove]

y use many word when few do trick?

[ruby fox]

why you go to job when you can break into neighbour's house?

[grave cove]

so true

[tardy rain]

No one has censored keezy, he can claim it all he likes but he's never explained when or how he's been censored

And every time you ask he says "ask privately"

🤷

[ruby fox]

in the IEEE, there is rule for "positive criticism", which be the best way of debating

[ruby fox]

he was censored in youtube 😅

[glossy niche]

@quasi blaze let me put it differently, if I publicly discuss something that makes people uncomfortable, and it makes certain people discuss certain things publicly less, is that censorship ? if so, how do we counter that?

[quasi blaze]

No that’s not censorship

[glossy niche]

like, I never engage twitter or reddit political debates there because the ppl there are disgustingly bigoted. am I not being censored here?

[quasi blaze]

Well Twitter and Reddit are privately owned so that’s not public.

[tardy rain]

Unless youre getting arrested for going out in public and expressing your opinion you're not being censored

[glossy niche]

OK sure, swap reddit for a public space

is it censorship then?

like a park

tram

idk

[quasi blaze]

Censorship doesn’t only exist in public

[quasi blaze]

Yeah

[glossy niche]

and how do we fix that censorship ?

[tardy rain]

What other people do on their property is not your business and if you dont like you can just not use whatever platform

[glossy niche]

do we have to "appeal to the sensitive" or something ? :D

[quasi blaze]

By the owners of these private platforms to stop being sensitive

[glossy niche]

I meant public spaces

[quasi blaze]

If you want to remain as the guest of their house. Yes unfortunately.

We have to follow their rules

To be in their house

It’s the only way

[glossy niche]

see, this is why I told you to read ethics

bro u need to read kant

[tardy rain]

So go be in your own house then and then you can make the rules be whatever you want

[glossy niche]

and the social contract guy, forgot who that is

[jaunty wraith]

hobbes?

[glossy niche]

I'm gonna step away now because this convo looks like it will turn into "what counts as owner ship?" lol

GOGO GADGET DAS KAPITAL.PDF

[tardy rain]

It is very clear that twitter and reddit and discord are different to the public square
They are private companies and have terms of service

[jaunty wraith]

a web search suggest there have been multiple philosophers attributed to that

[ruby fox]

did you get hacked ;[

[tardy rain]

If keezy went out to the street, said something and then was arrested for it then yea he could talk about censorship

Breaking terms of service and codes of conduct doesnt mean youre censored

[honest star]

Reddit and discord go even further where they allow people to create spaces and the people who created/run that space are fully allowed and empowered to have additional rules and restrictions there

[young shoal]

it does, for some definitions. but it does not infringe on your rights

[tardy rain]

Its not censorship if you agree to a document outlining these scenarios beforehand

Its also your right to have a smoke but if you do that in someones house after you accepted the term not to then you dont get to complain

[ruby fox]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ well first of all, we dont know, against what censorship he is talking about, his topic surrounds around "private online forums use censorship"

[tardy rain]

We dont know cause he wont share

Every day or so he comes into offtopic and complains about censorship
Who, when and where has anyone censored him?

[ruby fox]

if he is talking about that youtube situation, where he got censored for a dark joke, then maybe 🤔

[ruby fox]

lol he comes always?

[tardy rain]

Yes

[ruby fox]

or maybe he is a secret member to keep the chat alive or somthing lol

[quasi blaze]

Everyone here is free to DM me

[obtuse oar]

hey does anyone know hwere i can get help for my code

[tardy rain]

You post in a channel, why would we DM you

[ruby fox]

uh, hmm, you really think that off-topic in a programming language server is the best place to debate about social platform censorship seriously?

[quasi blaze]

Because we would both be homeowners in our DMs.

[tardy rain]

Why are you complaining here about censorship if you're not a "homeowner"

[quasi blaze]

Because I don’t need a house to talk about censorship.

[tardy rain]

What does this mean then

Talk about your experiences here

[quasi blaze]

I can’t

[tardy rain]

Why not

[quasi blaze]

I told you already

[tardy rain]

You dont make sense

[quasi blaze]

I’m making perfect sense

[tardy rain]

Either provide full context or keep your bait to yourself

[glossy niche]

you have.low bar for perfect

cmon keezer stop beating around the bush

[quasi blaze]

I’m not baiting anywhere. You have the full opportunity to message me privately but you have made the conscience not to.

[glossy niche]

tell us which slur got you banned from twitter

[tardy rain]

Lmao

[young shoal]

show us where x touched you

[tardy rain]

Youre getting banned from places not cause youre "debating" or "expressing opinions"

[ruby fox]

the abcdefghijklmnoqrstuvwxyz word

[tardy rain]

Why would I give you my positive energy? I dont even know you!

[glossy niche]

Holy fk, keezer is the CEO of bigot

[carmine apex]

what did the letter p ever do you you?

[young shoal]

D:

[solemn tulip]

: P

[young shoal]

🤨

[ruby fox]

i have made a deal with p to not leak anything

[tardy rain]

P is for pudding

[ruby fox]

https://tenor.com/view/pushingp-pushing-pushin-p-gif-24534645

[tardy rain]

Pudding deez nuts in yo mouth

[glossy niche]

p is for python

[carmine apex]

at least the small size means that one won't notice

[ruby fox]

wait till you know about dragon

[tardy rain]

🤨

[young shoal]

I can't believe I paid 8 whole dollars for a burger 😩

what's an acceptable amount of money to spend for lunch

[ruby fox]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-tales-capitalism-scrooge-thats-capitalism-gif-16461232

[tardy rain]

8 whole dollars

How are you complaining lmao thats cheap

[glossy niche]

that's a medium price burger where I live

[young shoal]

bruh what

[honest star]

Honestly $8 sounds very reasonable

[young shoal]

ridiculous

[ruby fox]

i eat lunch for 1.5$....

800% boosted + pc cooling

[honest star]

For context, airport burger prices are like $15-17. So half of that is my litmus for reasonable. 1/4 of that would be cheap and in the fast food territory

[young shoal]

ok but that's an airport moment

[tardy rain]

Peek at these prices

Local five guys

[young shoal]

five guys is expensive though

[ruby fox]

sure is

[tropic lichen]

comparing prices to five guys prices is cheating though, they're always expensive

[tardy rain]

Its the cheapest burger place here

[tropic lichen]

wait wtf

[tardy rain]

Besides maccas

[ruby fox]

lets go to airport five guys

[young shoal]

dawg

[tardy rain]

But maccas is garbage

[tropic lichen]

i can't imagine having to choose between five guys and maccas only, christ

[young shoal]

so true

[ruby fox]

there is always home cooked 👍

[tropic lichen]

i don't order burgers much but i'm used to them being more around the £3-4 range (or £4-5 with chips)

[tardy rain]

Lol

[young shoal]

the food trucks have been inflating their prices 😭

the truck I went to had 3.50 for fries 😭

[umbral atlas]

in mcdonalds its £1.29

[tardy rain]

Food truck food has always been more expensive

[tropic lichen]

local british pizza places with questionable food standards ❤️

you just can't get that taste elsewhere

[umbral atlas]

uk is just good

[ruby fox]

they have been inflating tires for sure 👍

[tardy rain]

I used to do big mac meal + mcchicken for around £7

[young shoal]

that's pretty good

[umbral atlas]

in uk its around £4

for a chicken burger fries and drink

[young shoal]

I ran out of top bun 🤔

[tardy rain]

Maccas grossed me out

[young shoal]

pink slime moment

[ruby fox]

inflation moment lol

[tardy rain]

Literal bugs in their food, i would kill myself if i ever found shit in my burgers

[honest star]

pls can we not say that kind of thing, even if you meant it as a joke

also it trips our filters and pings mods

[umbral atlas]

no im talking about the fact u said maccas honestly id kms if i purposefylly said maccas

[tardy rain]

MACCAS

Dont be a mcdonalds saying nerd

[honest star]

Wait. Is "maccas" McDonald's?????

[tardy rain]

What

Yes

Ofcourse it is

[honest star]

What the fuck

[tropic lichen]

Mickey D's, anyone?

[tardy rain]

Im sorry what

[umbral atlas]

ur a fucking girl

[ruby fox]

Home made burgers anyone......?

[tropic lichen]

yeah, that's one i've heard before

[tardy rain]

Nuh uh

[honest star]

LOL

[tardy rain]

I miss their brekkie muffins

[umbral atlas]

no way a normal not disabled male said maccas

[tropic lichen]

our regional dialect is more maccies than maccas

[honest star]

Okay, actual warning. Don't be rude.

[tardy rain]

The entire continent of oceania

[umbral atlas]

id accept maccies not maccas

[ruby fox]

Oceania is a new continent? Did Devs drop a update?

[umbral atlas]

no england 🔛 🔝
your 100% from whales literally no one likes whales no one hears about it its like it doesnt exist

[tropic lichen]

wales is nice D:

[tardy rain]

What did 🐋 ever do to you

[umbral atlas]

its bc ur from it

[tardy rain]

Im not tho

[ruby fox]

Average Whale hater

[tardy rain]

Also they got a cool ass flag

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[umbral atlas]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[tropic lichen]

maccas sounds more associated with around london/essex, at least in my head

[tardy rain]

I thought it was an aussie thing

[umbral atlas]

hes prolly cornish

[umbral atlas]

then why tf u saying it

[tropic lichen]

oh yeah the aussies use it too

[tardy rain]

Idk, its fun?

[umbral atlas]

no

[tardy rain]

Yes

[young shoal]

classic British ruining the English language

[umbral atlas]

maccas isnt in english language

[glossy niche]

ah yes, murcia

[ruby fox]

👁️👁️

[umbral atlas]

bro says murcia as if i know what means

[tropic lichen]

the best part about the english language is that all the words are made up 😉

[jaunty wraith]

that's all the languages

[umbral atlas]

including the word dad

[tardy rain]

Dont chat to me fam

[glossy niche]

murica

[tardy rain]

Its maccas and thats final

[glossy niche]

🦅

country where burger

[umbral atlas]

mcdonads or donnies

[jaunty wraith]

using chat like that sounds weird

[tropic lichen]

donnies??

[jaunty wraith]

donnies is unheard of

[tardy rain]

Donnies? Really bruv

[dapper dew]

Micky Ds

[tropic lichen]

i thought that's what you call people from doncaster

[tardy rain]

This isnt some kebab shop innit

[jaunty wraith]

mac d

[ruby fox]

smack deez...

[umbral atlas]

no

smack donnies

[ruby fox]

silence continues

[young shoal]

classic UKers

[tropic lichen]

ever had a london pizza?

ironically, they don't come from london, in fact they've got very little at all to do with london

[ruby fox]

french fries

[quasi blaze]

Every word is technically made up in every language

[ruby fox]

ofc not, even we are not real, nothing is real 👍

[quasi blaze]

How can nothing be real?

Objective reality exist

[ruby fox]

welcome to philosophy 101

[low chasm]

jokes on you im the only real dude here

[ruby fox]

real

[glossy niche]

they call me schizo cause of the way I'm always the realest mf in the room 💯

[quasi blaze]

There’s ways to differentiate your perception of reality vs objective reality

[grave cove]

1984

[low chasm]

new kurzegagt video 😤

[ruby fox]

this question haunted me for years, it took me a long time to accept that nothing is real

[grave cove]

this is basically the plot of 1984

[ruby fox]

same lol

[quasi blaze]

That’s being delusional

[tropic lichen]

tbf, some langugages do have bodies or organisation which take a more prescriptivist approach to making new words

[ruby fox]

tell me how you percieve reality?

[jaunty wraith]

I'm pretty sure it's already been done

[low chasm]

yeah, I'm referring to the latest one

[jaunty wraith]

french moment

[tropic lichen]

literally

[glossy niche]

I think you should like go read philosophy

[ruby fox]

through your organs, and if you take a psychodelic mushroom, they are done

[low chasm]

clubs have finally started in school

we had a fair today to check them out

[glossy niche]

how do u know that u exist and I not just simulating u in my python script

im about to

press ctl + c

[ruby fox]

reality check 100

[glossy niche]

:3

[ruby fox]

thats te copy button 👍

[jaunty wraith]

not on mac

[quasi blaze]

The trick is to not.

We must accept reality

Look at the objective reality

[grave cove]

what is objective reality 🤨

[ruby fox]

maybe when you are depressed, ask yourself, what is meaning of everything( 100% works)

[grave cove]

my CS class is preaching TDD 😭

[low chasm]

https://youtu.be/4Stzj2_Rlo4?si=bVC66fbj5zCb5BpK found it

[jaunty wraith]

reverse preach BDD

[ruby fox]

have you guys heard of Camus?

[jaunty wraith]

Albert Camus? Brave New World?

[ruby fox]

nah The myth of Sisyphus Camus

[jaunty wraith]

oh wait, wrong author

yeah

aldous huxley wrote BNW

dunno why I confused the two

[ruby fox]

lol

[grave cove]

we should helper huxley

[jaunty wraith]

anyway

[jaunty wraith]

what about him?

[honest star]

Camus is a good writer and really good existential thinker

[ruby fox]

he introduced the concept of "Absurdism"

(up until i know...)

Absurdism is a philosophical theory that the universe is irrational and meaningless. It states that humanity's efforts to find meaning in the universe are ultimately futile because no such meaning exists. Absurdism also states that trying to find meaning leads people into conflict with the world.

this broke my thinking forever lol

[jaunty wraith]

the absurdism wiki article has a leading image that's… nice

[honest star]

I would say Camus made absurdism more mainstream

[ruby fox]

this is where the meme "one must imagine sisyphus happy" came from

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

[tardy rain]

Whats absurd is being charged extra for some bacon on my burger

[young shoal]

real

[honest star]

lmfao, best response to absurdism philosophical discussion

[young shoal]

how much extra though and in total

[ruby fox]

the thing that is absurd is that there is a chance that you are my burger LOL

[jaunty wraith]

and there is pub trying to rationalize it

[tardy rain]

Its usually a pound per slice

[young shoal]

wtf

that's fucked up

[honest star]

Wait per bacon slice????

wtf

[tardy rain]

Well yea

[jaunty wraith]

how thick are slices?

[tulip falcon]

That's a heavy slice

[young shoal]

uk fell off

even further, I mean

[tardy rain]

Its always like +3/3.5 extra and you get 2-3 slices

[ruby fox]

uk inflated lol

[tardy rain]

Its wild

[tulip falcon]

How much is the burger in total then

[ruby fox]

try not to leave uk challenge 👍

[tardy rain]

You dont wanna know

[ruby fox]

(impossible 99.9% people fail)

[ruby fox]

maybe burger is only over priced?

[jaunty wraith]

where are you getting these burgers anyway?

[ruby fox]

you are gonna start a war lol

[tardy rain]

London innit

Ok i might be a bit off, its 2-3 pounds for bacon

[jaunty wraith]

not the place (geographic location), but the place (mcd, five guys, w/e)

[tardy rain]

But thats still a couple slices of bacon

[tulip falcon]

Where's Mars favorite burger

And which do you order

[tardy rain]

5guys is the goto

[jaunty wraith]

I read here that five guys is overpriced comparatively

[tardy rain]

I get bacon cheeseburgers, theyre like 13£

Not really, they cost around the same or less than other burger places

Excluding the super trashy chains

[jaunty wraith]

noted

[tropic lichen]

i'm weird about those sorta fast food franchises which try to make themselves more like the "premium" fast food to get

[tardy rain]

But its so good

[ruby fox]

they give spotify premium

[tardy rain]

Im ok with paying that once in a while

[tulip falcon]

Even mcdonalds trying to bring premium prices

[tropic lichen]

along similar lines, nandos confuses me

[tulip falcon]

What's nandos

[tardy rain]

Chicken place

[tulip falcon]

NaNdos

[tardy rain]

But like, fancy chicken place

[tropic lichen]

they do one meal and one meal only, peri-peri chicken

[tulip falcon]

Its fancy? Wth lmao. I have to Google that dish

[tardy rain]

Nandos does the sneaky thing where they show you a full plate of chicken with rice and greens and shit

But the price is only for the chicken

[low chasm]

there's this super good chicken place near me

[tropic lichen]

i'm more weirded about the fact that people actually go to nandos as a sit-down restaurant, when its just fast food that takes a bit longer to cook

[low chasm]

best sandwiches and wings

[tardy rain]

You get what looks nice and its like 13-15£ and then a half empty plate arrives

[low chasm]

super spicy wings too, 10 levels of spice, and you need to sigh a waiver for the highest level

[tulip falcon]

Woah

I ate something that was too hot recently

[low chasm]

I've managed up to 9 😤

[tulip falcon]

Wow spice king

[tardy rain]

Some kid died here recently from that one spicy chip challenge

[jaunty wraith]

fast food that takes a bit longer to cook
that sounds like a sit-down restaurant

[tardy rain]

Wild

[tulip falcon]

Oh yeahhh

[carmine apex]

you hear the story about the spicy chip?

[low chasm]

I have not 👀

how'd they die?

[tulip falcon]

Death

[tardy rain]

The spice

[jaunty wraith]

from eating the chip

[tardy rain]

It killed em dead

[low chasm]

because it was spicy? Did they choke on the chip?

[tardy rain]

It was the spice

[jaunty wraith]

the spice is too spicy

[low chasm]

huh

you can die from that?

[jaunty wraith]

literally

yes?

[tardy rain]

Apparently

But the kid was 14

Idk

[tulip falcon]

Damn.

[jaunty wraith]

capsaicin is technically a toxin

we just like it

humans built different

[low chasm]

I see

[tulip falcon]

Warning: if this is too spicy for you , you will DIE

[tardy rain]

Burnt a hole in his stomach or something

[jaunty wraith]

a whole hole

[tardy rain]

Lmao

A (w)hole

Words hard

[carmine apex]

https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/09/teens-death-after-eating-a-single-chip-highlights-risks-of-ultra-spicy-foods/

[tropic lichen]

you can very literally order it as takeout food though, when i say it takes longer i mean it takes like 10-15 mins to prepare instead of 5

[tardy rain]

I dont understand people who like spicy things just cause theyre spicy

[tulip falcon]

Is anyone getting sued over this chip? Is it getting pulled from stores?

[tardy rain]

And i know a bunch

They can never answer why they like the food they like

[tulip falcon]

Red pepper tastes good and spicy

[tardy rain]

But theres a point where it no longer tastes better, just spicier

Surely thats not pleasant

[tulip falcon]

A coffin shaped box with grim reaper, how macabre

[jaunty wraith]

huh, yeah, okay

[tropic lichen]

you reach a point where its no longer about enjoying the heat, and is more just a tough guy competition about how much spiciness you can handle

[low chasm]

a kick of spicyness to an otherwise already good dish just elevates the experience

after a certain point I suppose the spiciness is pretty dominant in that you might not throughly be able to enjoy the other flavors present

but that also varies dish to dish

[steel gale]

I have done one such challenge. I would say only experienced should try it

[glossy niche]

@empty prism this is what i am trying to get at

async awwait is concurrent but not necessarily multi threaded, i think that it can be multi threaded in python tho

back to pydis

[empty prism]

Sorry, yeah I understand this bit, it's just the details of async that I have trouble with