ot1-perplexing-regexing

[rough sapphire]

TODO TODO TODO is my favorite documentation

[ionic moth]

literally me

ngl my js is full of stuff like
//TODO TODO TODO GET EVENT FROM SOCKET CHANGE THIS

bcuz i write the frontend first

n then forget to actually implement the functionality

[stiff siren]

Why do people buy houses if they can just rent them @ionic moth

[high verge]

bc landlords can evict you, raise the rent, and can be assholes

[young shoal]

owning is cheaper in the long run

[uneven pine]

^

And in the short run most of the time

[young shoal]

if you have enough to buy one to begin with, yeah

[uneven pine]

Mortgage tends to be cheaper than rent

The townhouse I was living at last was like $1200 for 1200 sq ft

My apartment in Portland was $675 for 200sqft

[tardy rain]

dont got enough or downpayment

and uk prices are wack

sad really

[wraith hound]

hai @carmine niche, can I bother you about an Ada thing? I'm trying to build ada_language_server and things aren't going my way. I can't figure out how to build spawn and include it, as its a dependency of the language server.

I just keep getting errors like this and have no idea what to do to fix them

lsp_client.gpr:19:06: imported project file "spawn" not found

I got similar problems for gnatcoll but I was able to just include gnatcoll-core in my nix flake. No luck with spawn.

(i know nearly nothing about the build system. i'm just trying to set up a dev env.)

[wraith hound]

also, does ada have a community anywhere?

[carmine niche]

h... hhhhh......

ALS is a fuck

[wraith hound]

wonderful.

[carmine niche]

you can keep trying to build it if you want but it isn't worth it

it's a dogshit LSP

[wraith hound]

oh alright then

i just figured since it was from adacore it'd be alright but

if not, very well

[carmine niche]

it doesn't do almost anything you want out of an LS and also is subject to invalidation like every 30s

you're better off just using gnat studio

or vs code

[wraith hound]

i'll take a look at the former

would you happen to know which vscode extensions work best?

[tulip falcon]

Is your compiler added to PATH? It can't find your include location

[alpine kiln]

literally trying to learn cs rn. elaborate please

[tulip falcon]

Are you on windows, Linux or Mac?
The compiler is what will allow us to turn our C source code into Executable for our target system.
Start off with GCC compiler for C to keep things simple, since its included with linux* maybe.

Have to install it manually for windows

[alpine kiln]

Windows

alr whats the command to install it

[tulip falcon]

This guide can help you get some
C/C++ compilers with MSYS2
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/cpp/config-mingw

Additionally you can install WSL , windows subsystem for Linux , to run the gcc command in Linux command line. You will have a Linux option in your IDE there after installation.
WSL is standard these days among developers which is why I mention it.

As others mentioned there's a Microsoft compiler which you can get from installing Visual Studio 2022

[rough sapphire]

if you're on windows you can use Visual Studio
i think the recommended compiler for Windows is MSVC, but you could use something like mingw or WSL to get access to gcc and clang

[eager cliff]

what compiler are you using for Windows? MSVC?

[meager sphinx]

if possible , get visual studio community edition , it does all this for you
it also has debugging

[rough sapphire]

visual studio is also great for C++

[alpine kiln]

And what is MSVC?

[rough sapphire]

a compiler

[eager cliff]

the issue here is the include headers path not being in the correct variable

[rough sapphire]

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/features/cplusplus/

[tulip falcon]

MSVC is good it implements all the features of c++

Import/export

[tulip falcon]

It won't if you don't have a compiler

[eager cliff]

they do lol

[tulip falcon]

Meh. I thought I ran into such error before. Could be path variable like mentioned

[glossy niche]

trying to use VScode in my first semester of uni made me consider changing majors

[eager cliff]

if the compiler isnt in PATH what would be producing this error?

[meager sphinx]

what language were u trying to use?

[glossy niche]

C++

forgot to specify that lol

the compiler set up was easy, i had to learn a lot to get it going but i managed to understand it in the end

the LSP just wouldnt work for some reason

[meager sphinx]

yeah , it can be annoying
if you are on windows -> use visual studio for C++ lol

[tulip falcon]

After install the compiler and restart my IDE, it was able to find the header files?

[glossy niche]

and the debugger is still confusing

[eager cliff]

?

[proven sedge]

I like to use Ubuntu for programming and general use 🙂

[glossy niche]

the ub' is pretty nice for that yeah

whenever i get a node-gyp error on windows, i just use ub

[eager cliff]

@alpine kiln the core issue here seems to be that the location of your headers (an example of one is stdio.h) is not known by the compiler.

[tulip falcon]

Probably unchecked something in the setup. How do u get a C compiler during vs code setup anyway other than explicitly anyways

[eager cliff]

you dont

VSCode doesn’t install one for you.

they probably installed it indirectly through Visual Studio.

[naive igloo]

gcc exists for windows?

[eager cliff]

mhm

[naive igloo]

oh

i thought only mingw and msvc

[eager cliff]

that is what gcc under Windows is, Mingw

[naive igloo]

ah

lol

[alpine kiln]

installing Vs community rn

[tulip falcon]

It's kind of a fucked up solution since it's like 40GB for vs community

I think we can get the MSVC compiler separately but eh whatever

Fun to play around with VS community

[alpine kiln]

Should i just use it instead of vs code?

[naive igloo]

you could

[naive igloo]

is it that large?

in like minimum configuration

C/C++ Desktop Development

[tulip falcon]

It's good for C++/ C#

[tulip falcon]

No

[alpine kiln]

im gonna work in python and java

[naive igloo]

then you dont need vs..?

[tulip falcon]

Use Pycharm and intelliJ community editions for those 🙂

and VS Code with prettier extension, live server, language server extensions for html+css+js

[naive igloo]

prettier extension?

[tulip falcon]

Code auto formatter

[naive igloo]

but like why

[tulip falcon]

Having a consistent style is important for working with a team , who may be on different systems and editors

[naive igloo]

ah

i pretty much never worked in a team tbh

[tulip falcon]

In Google C++ code, they make you do two spaces for indentation for example. Think of working with thousands of engineers lol. Google also has legacy goto code instead of try/catch error handling i think

[naive igloo]

not four?

for me four is more readable

it kinda adds more separation

[tulip falcon]

I don't really know why, maybe to prevent anyone from putting a tab literal character on accident.

You wouldn't type tab to put in two spaces unless you configured it to do so

[naive igloo]

i dont use tabs at all

cuz

in my terminal 1 tab = ~4/8 spaces?

while in IDE it is 4 spaces

in nvim it is... from 1 to 4 spaces??

basically it makes no sense

its weird

[tulip falcon]

It's usually four in windows I suppose

[naive igloo]

i am on linux

i use arch, btw

[tulip falcon]

But the main point here is, just go with the style convention of your organization. Don't spend time arguing about style of indentation or where to place curly brackets

[naive igloo]

yeah

[thick osprey]

That moment the docker system prune -a command just hangs there...

Total reclaimed space: 15.561GB

[jaunty wraith]

now add --volumes

[thick osprey]

Hold please...

[glossy niche]

what does that command do?

[carmine bane]

!remindme 90h do this command on computer

[royal lake]

Nope.

Sorry, you can only do that in #bot-commands!

[jaunty wraith]

prunes the system

[carmine bane]

Ok lame

[jaunty wraith]

Remove unused data

Options:
  -a, --all             Remove all unused images not just dangling ones
      --filter filter   Provide filter values (e.g. "label=<key>=<value>")
  -f, --force           Do not prompt for confirmation
      --volumes         Prune anonymous volumes

[glossy niche]

like, the pruning in a min max algo? removes the unneeded parts?

[thick osprey]

Total reclaimed space: 3.6GB

I didn't know about the volume flag.

TIL! yay.

[jaunty wraith]

I always muck around in --help before running a new command 🙂

sometimes that's overwhelming and I get lost

[thick osprey]

fwiw I normally don't need to worry about these things at all. My dev machines are typically freshly built on a regular cycle.

[jaunty wraith]

like,

$ clickhouse-client --help | wc -l
    1173

[thick osprey]

Still smaller than most man pages.

[jaunty wraith]

😭

[thick osprey]

Start diving man and you might as well enroll in some educational course. Absolute depths of knowledge buried in those tombs.

[jaunty wraith]

some commands don't have --help

you have to dive in their man page

[thick osprey]

oh.. oh dear. The running build did NOT like the volumes being emptied mid-build.

[jaunty wraith]

lmao

[young shoal]

understandable

[thick osprey]

That is a very angy docker

[young shoal]

the strat is to just guess at which of the command options do what you want, then / for them

[jaunty wraith]

|| just use nix ||

[thick osprey]

Wait, no, just angy python. /sigh
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'distutils.cmd'

[jaunty wraith]

old package?

[thick osprey]

Can we just sunset anything < 3.10 and be done?

[jaunty wraith]

I can't spell

[alpine kiln]

just using this to post a pic

[jaunty wraith]

can? yes
will? no

[thick osprey]

A generic testing Dockerfile. It installs the supported pythons and runs pytest against all of them using nox. I switched it up to build the initial venv with 3.11 instead of 3.8 and, of course, 3.8 and 3.9 are now angy.

[jaunty wraith]

don't venvs need to be separate for separate versions though

[thick osprey]

Yup. nox handles all that.

The docker container is just a duplicatable environment that has all python's installed.

[jaunty wraith]

interesting

[uneven pine]

All the python's what?

[jaunty wraith]

installed

[uneven pine]

The python's what installed?

[thick osprey]

Super fun setup too. Just code it :5head:

@nox.session(
    python=["3.8", "3.9", "3.10", "3.11", "3.12"],
)
def tests_with_coverage(session: nox.Session) -> None:
    """Run unit tests with coverage saved to partial file."""
    print_standard_logs(session)

    session.install(".[test]")
    session.run("coverage", "run", "-p", "-m", "pytest", TESTS_PATH)

[jaunty wraith]

all your installed are belong to us

[thick osprey]

Their installed. :3

[uneven pine]

Their what installed

[thick osprey]

Can I fix the typo, yes. Will I? No.

[uneven pine]

🤣

[thick osprey]

No no, their installed.

[uneven pine]

What is an installed

[thick osprey]

Well that is the question, isn't it? I'm just a dev, I don't know.

[jaunty wraith]

it's an installed, duh

[thick osprey]

Reminds me of the question "what is grammar?" A question to which I have a similar answer; I am just a writer, I do not know.

But yeah, dirt simple Dockerfile I use when I don't have my normal machine just so that I don't need to wait for a CI to tell me I missed a test in some version.

FROM ubuntu:focal

ENV LANG=C.UTF-8

RUN apt-get update
RUN DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends software-properties-common
RUN add-apt-repository -y 'ppa:deadsnakes/ppa'
RUN DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends python3.8-distutils python3.8 python3.9 python3.10 python3.11-venv python3.12
RUN rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*

WORKDIR /src

ENV PATH=/venv/bin:$PATH
RUN python3.11 -m venv /venv
RUN python -m pip install --upgrade nox --no-cache-dir

COPY . /src

CMD ["nox"]

[jaunty wraith]

Python 3.12 👀

[thick osprey]

Early testing!

[spare oriole]

have you learned about lowering strings?

[thick osprey]

Today wasn't suppose to be a "play with the template" day. But black went and released an update including mention of a pre-commit mirror where, and I quote, "mypyc wheels go brr".

So here I am, playing with new toys.

[jaunty wraith]

I'm gonna believe daylily put that in

[thick osprey]

I almost want to log into the work machine and test the new mirror out on a large repo there. Almost. :3

[alpine kiln]

no please explain

[thick osprey]

fyi: There are help rooms where you can not only post images but you can also hold a conversation about your issue. #❓｜how-to-get-help

[alpine kiln]

ty but im already in a convo in #python-discussion

[tulip falcon]

You can paste code

!paste

[royal lake]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[tulip falcon]

@alpine kiln

And can post code inside of discord with triple backticks

While true:
    Cool```

[foggy jungle]

@wicked haven If you want fun things to shove into command line/text editors when something starts up, here's a pile of ideas. Some more relevant than others:
https://github.com/radareorg/radare2/blob/af742c05f6e8155566b7a6941f8d7ccb3a81f8ba/doc/fortunes.fun

[wicked haven]

ah random Toki Pona in there

[foggy jungle]

I've been using Radare2 for quite awhile now and I still get tripped up when some of them pop up.

[meager sphinx]

Ayo
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[grave cove]

[dreamy silo]

Is it theoretically possible to make a peer to peer group where you are unable to tell who's IP belongs to which user?

[young shoal]

well, you could use communication protocols that don't use IP addresses

[dreamy silo]

That's possible?

[young shoal]

indeed

[dreamy silo]

I guess I was taught about this.

I just never knew it meant that.

So, for example, IP and POP are two exclusive protocols for communication?

No, that doesn't sound right.

[young shoal]

IP isn't a protocol 😔

well it is

but like, you wouldn't say "IP" communication protocol

[warped sentinel]

You would have to use an indirection layer in between, which then means the peers aren't communicating directly in the same sense a tcp/ip connection is

[dreamy silo]

Uhuh.

[young shoal]

but just use a server at that point if you want to isolate the users

[dreamy silo]

Hypothetical time. There are three people with peer to peer connections to each other simultaneously. Whenever they post a message, the message is sent to the other two.

Is it still possible to find the IP of a specific user I want?

Hmmmmmmmmm...

[warped sentinel]

if they all have connections to each others simultaneously, then you already have all the IPs

[dreamy silo]

Yes.

But which is which?

I was told that packets also contain their origin so I suppose you could find out pretty easily.

[warped sentinel]

As an attacker: I attack everyone

[young shoal]

😔

[warped sentinel]

then you could look at timing issues. If they all send the message, then the recipient could look at whoever consistently send the message faster since they don't have any hop to get to me

[dreamy silo]

Sorry, let me rephrase.

I have a new idea, anyway.

There are three people. Bob, Matt, and Jeff. They are all connected to each other.

Matt types "hello".

Is it possible to get the IP of Matt?

[young shoal]

they had his IP as soon as he connected

[dreamy silo]

But how do we know that the IP is Matt's?

It could be Bob's, right?

If we have two IPs to look at, then how do we know which is the one we want?

[graceful basin]

if a message from Matt came from this IP, the assumption would be that the IP is of Matt

[dreamy silo]

yeah!

[young shoal]

it would need to identify itself somehow

[dreamy silo]

So, what if I tried making a system where a message is hot-potato'd around to further obscure the origin of the message?

[graceful basin]

I can in theory imagine some weird encryption scheme that would pool messages in a way that every message comes from every IP piecewise

[summer knot]

that's one of the conceits behind protocols like Freenet, I think

[dreamy silo]

Oh! Oh!

Idea!

[summer knot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet

[dreamy silo]

Bob Matt and Jeff are in a big ring. When they send a message, they pass it to the one of the right. If they already have it, they stop sending it along the circle.

Want me to use a diagram?

So, we don't actually know how far along the chain it has traveled, right?

[graceful basin]

ah, if you just want rings, you can use a very similar thing to what tor does

[dreamy silo]

Interesting...

So, if Matt says "hello", then are we able to tell which IP originally sent it?

[graceful basin]

if you wanted even more security, you could actually hide all IPs but the prior and following node (if you just have 3 people, that's everyone still). But you could absolutely come up with an encryption scheme that would hide the origin of a message

[dreamy silo]

Hide the IPs?

I wasn't aware that was possible.

But I guess...

Maybe?

[graceful basin]

well, since you only receive from the previous and send to the next, as long as the previous node doesn't tell you about the other IPs, you only need to know who you are sending to and receiving from

[dreamy silo]

Ahuh.

Not only that, but you don't even know the other IPs to begin with!

Let alone get data from them.

You just know two people, a person who gives data, and one to send to.

It's like how a Mafia works, I guess.

[warped sentinel]

also pointing out that p2p requires to think hard about your protocol so that I cannot just send a set_health(@recursive_error, 10_000_000)

[young shoal]

replay attack moment

[dreamy silo]

There are some apparent issues though. It would be horrible for performance and network traffic.

If you were running something public, you would have to make it so it had a benchmark for connection speed.

[warped sentinel]

It is a whole job in companies that do require fast access to data (games, audio/video calls, etc.)

whole teams even

like then, think about your poor player in Australia when trying to play with some americans. The lag would just be terrible

[dreamy silo]

ayup

[young shoal]

real time is hard

[dreamy silo]

Maybe this system could be scripted so that people refused to hold hands with you if your ping sucked.

Or you know, just use it for small unimportant transfers.

[young shoal]

I thought it was for a game

[dreamy silo]

Depends on the fidelity of the game.

I doubt sending "hello world" would take more than a minute or so.

[warped sentinel]

that's why relays/proxy are so popular

[dreamy silo]

Yes...

[warped sentinel]

you can pop up some in Asia, USA, EU, Africa and get some good speed overall

plus you can make the security easier for yourself

[dreamy silo]

Maybe proxies are the future generally.

It might make game deving more eloquent.

[warped sentinel]

given how popular they have always been, I wouldn't call it the "future".

[dreamy silo]

You could make games where they don't "close", and you can revisit them to make your own local servers.

Kind of like how source games work.

Anyhow, thank you all for the chat, I really should sleep.

Goodnight

[solemn tulip]

and quite hostile to gc'd languages

[outer pebble]

@versed veldt can I join your pygame team? I can help with artistic stuff and game ideas

[dreamy silo]

Wait, there's a pygame team?

Holy shit, this guy made a terminal game without having to struggle with horrendous text kerning issues.

Wizard.

I guess I'd be interested talking with you as well since coincidentally also made a name generator.

[outer pebble]

I’m trying to do one

https://replit.com/@PyNon/Wendys-Big @dreamy silo only 2 levels are complete

[dreamy silo]

PFFFF

This is nefarious.

You should name the difficulties after menu items.

[outer pebble]

Okay

[dreamy silo]

This seems like a fun hobby.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @fading warren until <t:1694344737:f> (10 minutes) (reason: newlines spam - sent 118 newlines).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[thick ore]

wooooah

that's a lot of newlines

[fair summit]

He kust pasted code does not he?

Or like

That?

[fading warren]

hey guys 🙂

[glossy niche]

fellas i have a sort of statistical modelling problem:

• i have a bunch of players and a bunch of tasks
• a task has a difficulty rating, like 1, 2, 3, 4, the rating comes from an API (i think this is called data driven development? wtvr)
• players complete tasks and receive (arbitrary) points
• players are ranked by how many points they get
• a lot of tasks are unrated, and i want to rate them somehow

whats a good way to model this? stupid answers are welcome, i will probably be drawing a linear regression over 2 points here lol

(not posting it in the datascience channel because im a filthy TS user)

[glossy niche]

youre the only one, but not for much longer >:3

[foggy jungle]

wait shit no

Can you not do /nick anymore?

Ruined my joke.

[jaunty wraith]

you can

[foggy jungle]

oh it just wasn't popping up for me.

Welp.

[proven ermine]

I used to do this occasionally on school chromebooks

[fallow matrix]

guys i need help, is here somebody who works on vsc? so my code has different colors like functions for example print() are blue but i used to see purple print(), so does somedy know how to change colors for function variables keywords a.s.o??

[paper sequoia]

The color comes from themes you can install as extensions, not sure if there's other way for that

[quasi blaze]

Do you guys like endings of movies and TV series that are left open to interpretation?

[vale raven]

no

[quasi blaze]

I don’t like it. I’d rather have the story explain exactly what happens

[vale raven]

yep

[high verge]

those are the best imo

[quasi blaze]

How?

Think of a movie ending where the main character gets shot and dies but it’s not revealed who the perpetrator was. How would that make you feel?

[young shoal]

it has to be done well

[low chasm]

depends

[low chasm]

in that scenario, sure

but it can also be done well

[eager cliff]

@tranquil orchid can lightning strike and kill me if I'm, let's say.. skydiving through a storm cloud that's actively producing lightning?

Yes I know someone woukdnt be skydiving during a storm, or through any sort of cloud (illegal and risk reduction/safety precautions)

If my 4th grade flow of electricity and wiring up a basic circuit to power a lightbulb with a 12volt battery is correct youd still die

https://youtube.com/shorts/e8PYz_zV1ps?si=7GdJITIJSxCwuCjn

[foggy jungle]

You might be interested in HV cable operations.

[eager cliff]

So why are so many people saying that something with enough voltage to connect the ground with a cloud wouldnt kill you?

Simply because you're not on ground

Seems illogical

[eager cliff]

What's that

Even Google is returning true that itll kill you, and other sources on google return things that say it wont

Yeah I'll pass on the high voltage cable stuff, I grabbed a electric fence meant for keeping bulls contained as a kid. Electricity sucks

[uneven pine]

I've been shocked by mains voltage twice in my life

Once out of my control (wires in the wall got crossed with coax and I tripped the electric off to the entire floor of my apartment building when I went to plug my Internet in)

Once due to tired negligence on my part (screwdriver slipped into wall socket while installing adapter screw)

The latter happened only a week or so ago

Maybe 2 weeks.. Time blends together a lot recently

[hexed sierra]

time blends together ever since the shock

[harsh tundra]

Time blends together for me always

[crystal spruce]

this integral i'm doing is kinda cool

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713280492035768340/1150743001476386896/395901889046249475.png?width=2000&height=221

[winged oak]

.

[crystal spruce]

i've had to use python notation because idk how to represent it neatly in math notation

[crystal spruce]

@hexed sierra any ideas on how to do [cos, sin][k%2] in math notation

[hexed sierra]

hmm

what do the brackets represent

that it's a list, and you use cos for even terms and sine for odd terms?

[crystal spruce]

yeah

basically like cos(x)+xsin(x)+x^2cos(x)+...

with other terms

[hexed sierra]

you can split the sum into two sums, one with sines and one with cosines, with a term (-1)^k(plus or minus 1) in front to take care both of the list of 1 and -1s and the sines and cosines

[crystal spruce]

that's clunky tho

i'd prefer to have it as a single sigma

[hexed sierra]

alternatively, as cos(alpha x + (1 + (-1)^k pi/2)/2)

[crystal spruce]

later on it gets turned into a kth derivative and then the cosine sine alternation is captured in that

that's smart

didn't think of that

[hexed sierra]

there must be a way for the 1s and -1s kinda like that too

it's periodic, so you can look at some square wave or sine wave stuff

just pick the frequency judiciously

[crystal spruce]

i actually pick up that exact 1, -1 pattern again later on from somewhere

so it just all squares into 1

pretty neat

[hexed sierra]

ah ic

some weird fourier parseval stuff happening there

btw the sign in what i wrote may or may not be wrong, i never remember if it's + or - pi/2. you can iron out the details 😛

[crystal spruce]

yeah i've got the idea

thx

[sinful solar]

cos(x-k%2*π/2) or (if it is required to be an analytic function) cos(x-(1-cos(π*x))*π/4) or as cos(x-sin(π*x/2)²*π/2) (depending on how suspicious you find it) 😊
however, note that because you are iterating over cos,-sin,-cos,sin, it can be expressed as d**k(cos(x))/dx**k

or as cos(x-π*k/2)

[hexed sierra]

ah even better, that takes care of the sign as well

[sinful solar]

wait a minute, I know how to do this one
@crystal spruce, do you know very much about generating functions

[crystal spruce]

uh

sure?

[sinful solar]

that is to say, formal power series

[crystal spruce]

yeah

[sinful solar]

never mind, sorry, there is an extremely elegant way to solve the summation to a closed form

[tranquil orchid]

why on earth are you asking me 👀

[sinful solar]

@crystal spruce you know about Euler's identity (exp(i*x)=cos(x)+i*sin(x)), yes

[crystal spruce]

ok before you go on the original integral is https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713280492035768340/1150758026534461530/395901889046249475.png?width=1080&height=235

[sinful solar]

oh

well why did you change it to that then

you made it more difficult, it would seem

[crystal spruce]

actually wait no

[sinful solar]

anyway, so that we are clear, you know what the e**-x**2 is subtly hinting at, yes

[crystal spruce]

not particularly no

[hexed sierra]

it's an even function, you might be able to do some residue shenanigans by dividing by 2 and extending the integral to -inf to inf, then integrating over a complex half space

[crystal spruce]

i haven't learnt complex analysis

[hexed sierra]

dronebetter is writing a dissertation here

[sinful solar]

if you try to integrate e**-x**2 from x=-∞..∞ (which also occurs as the Gaussian distribution's probability density function) to infinity on its own (and discard the rest of the integral), it is very difficult with elementary methods, the easiest way to solve it is to create a 2-dimensional integral, the Cartesian product of the e**-x**2 one with itself (which as such has the square of the original one's output), then convert it to polar form, by substituting the integrand of e**-x**2*e**-y**2 = e**-(x**2+y**2) to an e**-r**2, for the ds you use the fact that r is scaled by 1 into the displacement across the input plane but dθ is scaled by r (which we multiply by 2 on the left and divide on the right, for reasons that will become clear), so you have ∫_{θ=0..2*π}∫_{r=0..∞}(2*r*e**-r**2/2) which is 2*π*∫_{r=0..∞}(2*r*e**-r**2/2), from which you may use the fact that d(e**-r**2)/dr=-2*r*e**-r**2 in reverse to get 2*π*∫_{r=0..∞}(2*r*e**-r**2/2) = 2*π*[-e**-r**2/2]_0^∞, which is 2*π*(-0 - -1/2), so the 2D integral's output is π, so the 1D integral's is sqrt(π)

there are a few other ways but this was the way in which Gauss solved it, I believe

[crystal spruce]

yeah i know about the gaussian integral

does that help here?

[hexed sierra]

since the whole integral is even, you might be able to use a similar procedure for it

extending to -infty, enforcing rotational symmetry

[crystal spruce]

the cos(arctan) bits feel too awkward for that imo

idk it might work i haven't went down that route

[sinful solar]

Also note, in solving this, as my first step I would use the fact that cos(a+b)=cos(a)*cos(b)-sin(a)*sin(b), the cos part may be instead cos(α*x)*cos(2*β*atan(x))-sin(α*x)*sin(2*β*atan(x)), then maybe use the fact that a trigonometric function of (a constant times an inverse trigonometric function) typically has a form in terms of elementary functions on the inverse one's input, in this case the cos(2*β*atan(x)) "unravels" to (((i-x)/(i+x))**β+((-i-x)/(-i+x))**β)/2

(though I am probably even less knowledgeable than you)

wait a minute sorry yes this will only lead to more ugliness probably

[crystal spruce]

that's exactly what i did

[crystal spruce]

and it gets to this

currently i'm on https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713280492035768340/1150767055763673110/395901889046249475.png?width=2000&height=265

[hexed sierra]

ngl that looks really cursed

i never did a deep dive into cursed integrals

[crystal spruce]

im looking at hermite polynomials rn

because if i can use some orthogonality properties to simplify it

that'd be nice

wait a sec

ooh i might be able to get rid of the sum

[crystal spruce]

cursed integrals are great

like genuinely

doing integrals is honestly one of the things keeping my mental health up

even if im not that good

[sinful solar]

you are going to be shown the intended solution to this and it will cause you to bang your head against a wall repeatedly

[crystal spruce]

i know that alpha=beta=n=2 yields something stupidly simple

like 2sqrt(pi)/3e

so that is very possible

[jovial oriole]

Bruh why

Nearly $70

Something similar was 3 bucks in the dollar store

[naive igloo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive igloo]

wow

[elfin holly]

people are after money in all possible ways, if they saw that demand was high, they want to profit

[still oxide]

Hello, I have a question about how computers store 1s and 0s. So we have some min and max voltages, denoted as Vmin and Vmax respectively, and if the electrical signal is within a certain threshold, like +-5% of Vmin then the computer interprets it as a 0 (or a 1 doesnt matter), and if it is within +-5% of Vamx then it is interpreted as a 1. Is this how it works?

[sharp jasper]

The nature of digital logic is more like: there is a threshold voltage and any potential above that voltage is (let's say) a 1 and anything below can be considered 0

Hardware doesn't "know" what a 1 or a 0 is, it just does what it does. The notion that some levels represent numeric values is something people impose on it to make what it does useful to us

[sturdy halo]

hey guys, how do i factor tgis

a²-b²-2b-1

[crystal spruce]

hint: write it as a²-(b²+2b+1)

[sturdy halo]

ohhhhhh, ok

[meager sphinx]

actually, it has a voltage band of acceptable voltage
for 5V TTL logic , any input signal between 2V and 5v is logic 1
any input signal between 0.8V to 0V is logic 0
and voltage between 0.8V to 2V is undesired voltage

so it is not a fixed threshold (like anything above 2.5V is 1 and below is 0, doesnt work like this , in practice)

[still oxide]

Ok, here's the first stupid question (prepare for more haha, sorry). Why does it have to be compared to a certain threshold? Can't it be exact? Like either 0 or Vmax? Is it because some factors ay introduce noise in circuits, like maybe heat for example?

[meager sphinx]

you cant have exactly 0V or 5V , thats why you have to have a band of voltages

[grave cove]

I mean, I'm not an electrical engineer but isn't voltage the potential difference between two points?

[meager sphinx]

yes it is (voltage difference to be precise , but yeah)

[grave cove]

The way we defined voltage at a point was the potential difference from infinitely far away to that point

[still oxide]

Sorry but I have to ask why

[meager sphinx]

what do you mean why ? why what ?

[grave cove]

Why you can't have exactly 0V or 5V

[still oxide]

Yeah

[meager sphinx]

ohh , well cause its real world, there will be always some noise , error , drift

[sharp jasper]

So you have a signal at exactly 5v and you connect a wire from that to an input of the next gate.
Well some small current is going to flow from that signal into the gate and then it becomes 4.999v because of the wire resistance, right?

Even if you had that ideal signal you wouldnt be able to connect it to other things and it still be ideal

[meager sphinx]

sorta yeah

[sturdy halo]

what about this how may i factorize this

[meager sphinx]

yeah , there will always be some loss in the wire

[meager sphinx]

synthetic division

[sturdy halo]

wut

[grave cove]

Pull out a 4x^2 out of the first 2 terms and a -1 out of the last 2

[sturdy halo]

ok

[still oxide]

Can you give me an example? Like if I try to store the integer 5 in my computer, it seems possible that there would be an error is some signal and it would fall in that undesired band you talked about and so the representation would be erroneous? But that doesnt seem to happen in practice right?

[meager sphinx]

yeah, because error correction mechanism are used in modern hardware (the scenario you described is very rare if it is implemented correctly , but it can still happen)

for ex - servers that run 24x7 are equipped with special RAM called ECC RAM . ECC standing for Error correction code.

they implement some algorithms/hardware that can detect and automatically correct errors in bits

[sturdy halo]

now what???

[sturdy halo]

dont mind my handwriting...

[proper tangle]

Hi.

[still oxide]

I see. Thanks!

[sturdy halo]

how do errors in bits get corrected algorithmically

[sturdy halo]

hallo

[meager sphinx]

simplest example would be checking parity. Are you aware of what an EX-OR is ?

[proper tangle]

Nice to meet you.
I am very interesting about your task.

[sturdy halo]

no....

[sturdy halo]

my task is praticing math, whats interesting bout that

[proper tangle]

Do you want to develop for it.

[sturdy halo]

is it bitwise or???

[sturdy halo]

wut u mean by develop for it

[proper tangle]

I am web and software developer.

I can make for your task.

If you have any dev task, i hope you give me it..

[meager sphinx]

well... , i really dont know how to explain this in simple terms, but ill try

so when you get some stream of bits like 1010001 , the sender will perform some operation on it (like parity checking) and then append its result to the bit stream, this whole thing on receiving this stream at receiver , the receiver will check the bits , apply the same operation on them , get a result and then compare that result with the result sent by sender, if they both are same , then we know that whatever was sent is the thing that has been received

if you need more info , i think there is a youtube video by yotuber 3blue1brown , you can check it out

[sturdy halo]

ohh, so its more of like you do some things with the binary, the other guy does the same this with the binary they have and they check if both outcomes are equal and if its equal, they say that the binary is correct

but what happens if the appended output also has gotten an error

[meager sphinx]

correct

[sturdy halo]

i feel like thats very unlikely but if it does happen but now the main binary string is correct, does it state the correct binary sequence to be false??

[meager sphinx]

well , then you have an actual error (keep in mind that the actual algorithms implemented are much more complex than this and will most likely correct the error, but yeah , once in a blue moon chance that this happens , you will have an error)

[sturdy halo]

ohh, so there are algorithms that are built for more complex error

[meager sphinx]

our modern hardware is so much error corrected that we dont even have to think about it for day to day use
but in critical applications like a quantum computer , this is like one of the many big bottlenecks for making a quantum computer

[sturdy halo]

ok great but can you help my math???

[meager sphinx]

yeah , parity checking is really not ideal. for example -

1010 and 0101 both have the same parity (XOR of both binary sequences is 0), so we literally have 4 errors in the string, but simple parity check will say that this is ok

[meager sphinx]

depends on what it is , long time no see with math 😅
you can just post the question here , ill see if i can help ||as long as it is not for an ongoing exam||

[sturdy halo]

this

[meager sphinx]

yeah, you need synthatic division for this

[sturdy halo]

i got upto here bc of robin

[meager sphinx]

idk how to explain it, you can try googling it

[sturdy halo]

wait but doesnt synthetic division require a divisor??

[meager sphinx]

yes , you have to guess it iirc

[sturdy halo]

whats iirc

[meager sphinx]

if i recall correctly

[sturdy halo]

leave division, i wanna factorize this

[grave cove]

hmmmm

[meager sphinx]

maybe you can use a^2 - b^2 formula with a = 4x^2 and b = 2x+1

[grave cove]

maybe factor the 4a^2 - 1 further?

[meager sphinx]

not too sure tho, try it

[sturdy halo]

how

[grave cove]

2a+1 and 2a-1

[sturdy halo]

but these 4a² and -1 have tgis with it in bracket

4a²(2a+1)(2a-1)-1(4a+1)

i have reached here

[meager sphinx]

k , i think this works , my answer is smth like
(4x^2 + 2x +1)(4x^2 - 2x -1)
|| did this in air, i could be wrong, plz dont quote me||

[sturdy halo]

am really confused now

....

gonna leave this question i guess

[crystal spruce]

yeah i'd do that

[naive igloo]

what are you trying to do again?

ah

ok

[crystal spruce]

and then i doubt they want you to reduce further

since both terms involve a square root

[sturdy halo]

just left that question and the next question, am more confused

x²-x-6

[crystal spruce]

that one's just factorization

[sturdy halo]

yea, and what i do here

x common??

[meager sphinx]

factorize -6, find factors that add up too -1 (coeffi of middle term x) and when multiplied give -6 (the last term x coeffi of x^2)

[sturdy halo]

damn your words are complex

[meager sphinx]

r u sure you have been taught how to factorize ?

[sturdy halo]

i am a backbencher so uhhh, prbbly they taught it, i never learned it

[meager sphinx]

i would explain you using pen paper , but i cant rn 😅

[crystal spruce]

weird that they gave you this along with x^2-x-6

[meager sphinx]

alr8 , its easy . maybe you should watch a lesson on it first
since the help we give you is limited and in the end you willl have to apply yourself

[sturdy halo]

just tell the first thing i should do, i will try to understand from there

[naive igloo]

that turns into this iirc?

x₁ + x₂ = -c = 6
x₁ × x₂ = b = -1

i forgot which parameters you have to invert

[sharp jasper]

other way around

[naive igloo]

x₁ + x₂ = c = -6
x₁ × x₂ = -b = 1

?

[sturdy halo]

how did c and b come, there is only x

[naive igloo]

and also yeah instead of c and b you use p and q

[sharp jasper]

the roots have to multiply to -6 and add to -1

not add to -6 and multiply to -1

[naive igloo]

c and b refers to parameters of quadratic equation

[naive igloo]

ahh

[sturdy halo]

ok........

[naive igloo]

you just said "the other way around"

[naive igloo]

ax² + bx + c = 0

[sturdy halo]

oh yea that one, am i supposed to do that

[naive igloo]

do what?

[sturdy halo]

do tge quadratic stuff here??

[meager sphinx]

ok ,
so x^2-x-6 can also be written as x^2 -3x +2x -6 ( how i came up with -3x and +2x is the core logic of factorization of similar expressions )

now we have x^2 -3x +2x -6 , from first two terms , we can take x common and from second two terms , we can take 2 as common , so it becomes -

x(x-3) +2(x-3) , then we take (x-3) common from both terms
so it becomes
(x-3)(x+2)

hence , x^2-x-6 = (x-3)(x+2)

[sturdy halo]

oh that was simple

[crystal spruce]

you're looking at
(x+a)(x+b) = x^2 + (a+b)x + ab
so if you match it against x^2-x+6, you want
a+b = -1
ab = 6

or what rohan did

[sturdy halo]

i already solved it, you could have told to do the quadratic stuff

[naive igloo]

ok yeah i guessed x₁ and x₂ correctly (-3 and 2) but messed up vieta theorem itself

[meager sphinx]

i didnt know , you knew it as quadratic stuff 😅

[sturdy halo]

or just have told the midpoint break

[naive igloo]

you were literally looking at quadratic equation ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager sphinx]

again , i dont know how much terminology you are aware of , so i just told in simple possible terms 😅

[sturdy halo]

i should not have been confused here but because of the past question, it took most of my brain cells and i thought this question was rather complex....

[sinful solar]

Note that you may write 2*x=y, then it is y⁴-y²-2*y-1, which is expressible y⁴-(1+y)², to find its roots you may write y⁴=(1+y)² so y²±(1+y)=0, rewrite as 4*x²±(1+2*x)=0, the quartic may be rewritten (4*x²-2*x-1)*(4*x²+2*x+1)

[sturdy halo]

i left that question already...

[sturdy halo]

solved it

[sinful solar]

now write it in terms of linear factors

[naive igloo]

(4a²+2a+2)(4a²-2a-2) =

4a² + 2a + 2 = 0
D = 4 - 32 = -28
...you sure that is possible? (within real numbers)

[rough sapphire]

that has a complex solution

[crystal spruce]

the other factor has real roots

[naive igloo]

yep

[rough sapphire]

data QuadraticEquation=Equation{a::Float,b::Float,c::Float}
solveQuadratic e=let d=b e**2-4*a e*c e;p=sqrt d;l=2*a e;s=[(-b e+p)/l,(-b e-p)/l]in if d<0 then Nothing else Just s

Prelude> solveQuadratic (Equation 4 2 2)
Nothing
Prelude> 

Nothing means that it's complex

Prelude> Equation 4 2 2
Equation {a = 4.0, b = 2.0, c = 2.0}
Prelude> 

[naive igloo]

wait a sec

[rough sapphire]

?

[naive igloo]

ah

[rough sapphire]

what program is this btw

i am programming something similar

equation solver

[naive igloo]

qalculate

wtf do you mean false?

you are not supposed to compute

[rough sapphire]

get rekt

you assigned x to something and it's comparing the lhs to 0

[naive igloo]

x is defined as x

look

WAIT

i think i know why it is false

[rough sapphire]

that's why i am programming my own thing lmao

[naive igloo]

cuz complex

[naive igloo]

gl on parser

[rough sapphire]

parser is probably one of the easiest parts

compared to the rest

[naive igloo]

i just always had issues with them

anyways

[rough sapphire]

it's hard

[opal owl]

Kind of an open ended question. I've created an app that connects to a roomkit conferencing device like a Cisco sx 20 and logs all the calls it gets using a websocket connection (library pyxows). One thing I've noticed is that the app doesn't last longer than 36 hours before crashing. How can I begin to troubleshoot this issue?

[graceful basin]

What may be of use is looking at sys.setprofile/settrace and using that to see in which function/line the crash happens. Also, check kernel logs for a potential OOM kill

[glossy niche]

no one got any ideas?
what if i use cats as an incentive?

[grave cove]

Dog

[vale raven]

Not a dog

[meager sphinx]

!dog

[royal lake]

Did you mean ...

» dotenv
» docstring

[grave cove]

Source?

[vale raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035241142026251/1150847888939819068/jppvsnl4v5da1.webp

[glossy niche]

i would throw a decision tree or sth at the problem but its for a simple discord bot and i dont think i could find an ML model implemented in pgPL/SQL

im thinking of using some simple clustering algorithm, wonder which algo would work for this

[acoustic moss]

i didnt understand what "this" is

[meager sphinx]

pointer to current instance of a class

[harsh tundra]

Kitty 😻

[carmine niche]

no

[glossy niche]

i remember a funny tweet where someone said "C devs complain about OOP but write functions that all have &a as the first parameter" and it is kinda true, thats honestly how i feel about OOP

[eager cliff]

Google says yes and no, so no help there. And you know how electricity works

[harsh tundra]

I guess if the lightning can jump from you to something else, then yes.
But without that other jump, nope.

[eager cliff]

Catt

[glossy niche]

bnuuy

[low chasm]

do you plan on skydiving through a cloud during a thunderstorm?

[young shoal]

haven't you seen mission impossible? it's clearly possible!

[low chasm]

i dunno man but last I checked none of us were tom cruise

[young shoal]

tom cruise wasn't hit by the lightning though

[low chasm]

ok well whatever

[eager cliff]

I dont intend on ever skydiving, or breaking the law and going through a cloud

[low chasm]

lmao

[quasi blaze]

Who is that in your profile picture?

[young shoal]

tom cruise

[quasi blaze]

Wait until you get a job in tech. It’s better than university.

Work is where real learning happens

[young shoal]

i have a job in tech

[quasi blaze]

It’s better isn’t it

[young shoal]

it's comparable

[quasi blaze]

Smh

Id rather work than be in uni for the rest of my life

[young shoal]

why would you be in uni for the rest of your life

[quasi blaze]

That’s my point

[young shoal]

why would anyone be in uni for the rest of their life

[quasi blaze]

I’m showing you that work prevails over uni

[young shoal]

it doesn't make sense. no one stays in uni for the entire life

[quasi blaze]

Fine. Then id rather work for four years than go to uni for four years

It’s horrible having nearly no money left in your bank account because you spent so much money on tuition fees.

Maybe you prefer uni > work because you didn’t pay your own tuition fees

[young shoal]

i don't think i said which i prefer?

[grave cove]

average phd candidate

[vale raven]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Nicholson_(academic)

[vale raven]

[grave cove]

based asf

but average person in academia

[young shoal]

?

[vale raven]

?

[young shoal]

generalization, or something

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/appu-appurajosh-gif-21480213

[tranquil orchid]

I mean it sounds fairly unlikely

But definitely possible

[eager cliff]

Ty jackyboy

Lightning can form and connect between two clouds so it doesnt really need the ground in some cases

Only one way to know for sure

[tranquil orchid]

I mean of course

It's never about the ground

It's just a difference in potential

[eager cliff]

Thanks jacky boy, always helpful

[glossy niche]

dude i just spent an hour trying to get my database to store a value thats coming from an json API only to realise an hour later that i was trying to store the wrong value

the jSON returns key A and key B and i spent an hour trying to somehow shove A into the schema only to realise that i actually needed B

[naive igloo]

bruh

[tulip falcon]

huh seems weird

I guess the world record or whatever is the achievement in it of itself

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @round hawk until <t:1694521818:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[quasi blaze]

What can we do to stop inflation?

[tardy rain]

You and I? Nothing

[quasi blaze]

I really like how there’s trade schools for electricians, plumbers and HVAC and you can be an apprentice for those trades. Would be nice if there was a trade school for tech jobs.

There’s no need to write essays

It’s just pure trying to get into the workforce

[young shoal]

that's the goal of a bootcamp

[grave cove]

aren't coding boot camps generally not that good tho

[sturdy halo]

ho do i take the first picture to match the second picture

[young shoal]

indeed

[grave cove]

Multiply out by conjugate

[sturdy halo]

huh, what happens in a bootcamp??

[vale raven]

try one and find out

[sturdy halo]

whats a conjugate

[grave cove]

2 root 6 minus 4

Gets rid of the radical in the denominator

Foil and it becomes 8

[sturdy halo]

ohh, multiply the numinator and denominator by that value

[grave cove]

right

[sturdy halo]

oh thanks

[grave cove]

np

[sturdy halo]

i got completely different value...

dont mind the hadwriting

ohh, i see the mistake...

[quasi blaze]

You sure bootcamps are exactly like the trade schools for electricians and plumbers?

[young shoal]

i'm not familiar with trade schools for electricians and plumbers. i believe it's similar

[tardy rain]

No they are not

Trade schools are accredited

Most anyway

By trade schools im guessing you mean apprenticeships

Where you work and go to school together

[young shoal]

I was more relating the focus on skills over theory

[tardy rain]

Oh

But there are software apprenticeships

In the UK at least

It could be a thing elsewhere

[young shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy rain]

whats the barrier to having apprenticeships in the US anyway

[young shoal]

in the US that'd be like a co-op program

[tardy rain]

cash?

lemme look it up

oh yea thats the thing

[young shoal]

nothing I guess.

just no one does it

[tardy rain]

yea not bad, though i have heard that the middle years are rough

first couple years are nice cause youre some 18yo kid making real money like 25-30k with no degree

and last years are nice cause you graduate and you can jump ship to bigger bucks

but somewhere in the middle youre stuck with low pay and no opportunities

guy on my team came from an apprenticeship 7 years in hard stuck at 30k until we got him

tho he probably could have left way earlier

[carmine bane]

Can't be exactly the same. Easy to recreate work environment with plumber/electrician, but not so much with SWE.

[young shoal]

meh. some features or bugs handed to a new grad could probably be given to a student too

[tardy rain]

I cant imagine working anywhere as a student tbh

I was even more clueless than i am now

[young shoal]

no internship?

[tardy rain]

no

[young shoal]

that's why you're doing frontend

😩

gotta go back and get one

[tardy rain]

cba

i want my excel job back lmao

but with better pay ofc

and no office time

and noone to bitch at me for shit

and no work to be done

[tulip falcon]

Based

learn python for excel

I make myself tired from reading phone

Gotta. ... focus

[tardy rain]

dont need python for excel

theres a perfectly good api with vba

the problem is that anyone hiring vba people are probably doing a bunch of excel work and those people are most likely financebros

and financebros like going to the office for some reason

[tulip falcon]

Fuck

[tardy rain]

we're trying to move out and its turning into a nightmare

agents are trying to rush us but our notice is 2 months long

how do people move apartments

[wanton delta]

with difficulty

[young shoal]

oh?

[tardy rain]

oh

[tulip falcon]

wuts this?

[tardy rain]

rent going up, gf wants a pet, thats about it

[young shoal]

oh?

[tardy rain]

every listing i see is only like a couple days off and they go off the market immediately

do people push start dates back?

or am i supposed to pay rent on an apt im not livign in

[wanton delta]

housing problem is real everywhere

[tardy rain]

its hell

everyone keeps telling me to put in notice first and then search

but thats crazy

[tulip falcon]

Yes Robin put cat pic back on!!!

https://tenor.com/view/dance-cat-vibe-gif-20437904

I need to uninstall for now I guess

Ahhhhhhhh

Reset my schedule

[wanton delta]

this is so trippy

[tulip falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/trippy-cat-psychadelic-colorful-gif-7854651

Okay bye see you in one day

[wanton delta]

this what too many catnips do to you

[quasi blaze]

Infuriating living with restricted speech because of people getting sensitive and easily offended.

[wanton delta]

that's why i'd rather shut up, regardless if people are sensitive or not

[quasi blaze]

I mean it’s quite sad that folks have to silence themselves because of people being so sensitive

We have to live in a society to appease the sensitive. Absolutely disgusting.

[tardy rain]

infuriating having the same argument every couple days

[quasi blaze]

All for expressing their beliefs and opinions

[tardy rain]

just dont be an asshole, whats the problem

[wanton delta]

i take solace in realizing the time I spent doing more satisfying things for myself than, just arguing about things for the sake of arguing

i swear im not old

[quasi blaze]

Big difference between being an asshole and having a civil and respectful discussion.

[tardy rain]

who is restricting your speech my guy

you never mention

youre making things up

[quasi blaze]

There’s one thing to blatantly call names and insult people, another thing to respectfully express your ideas , beliefs and sometimes facts in a civil manner.

[wanton delta]

the thing is, whatever we say, we will get a response. You can interpret this response in a myriad of ways, and it's simply how conversation works.

restricting your speech is me here and now muting you or smth

[quasi blaze]

Like an entire conversation had to be terminated because people got sensitive when the folks were having a discussion like mature adults

[wanton delta]

someone can call me an ahole outta the blue and, well, it's their right ig

[tardy rain]

you've never once explained what thoughts you were expressing and how you were restricted from expressing them

[quasi blaze]

Because you never privately contacted me

[wanton delta]

i guess it devolved into something that wasn't productive for this channel or server

[tardy rain]

you're not privately contacting us right now, youre posting in a public channel

either post with proper context or what you're doing is just ranting and its annoying

[quasi blaze]

All I’m saying is if you want an answer you can DM me

[tardy rain]

i dont care for an answer, stop spamming the same silly complaint lmao

[quasi blaze]

You clearly do care otherwise you wouldn’t have asked

[tardy rain]

its been a week since the first time you posted this bait

maybe you should stop

people arent interested

[wanton delta]

i carried heavy things all day today, i can barely open a bottle of orange juice

i need an adult

[low chasm]

rip

[young shoal]

and yet

[tardy rain]

its still company time

[wanton delta]

steal from big corpo i salute thee

[tardy rain]

gotta get that quality distraction in, right

[low chasm]

I'm at school 😤

[quasi blaze]

It’s a way better option to grow resilient than to be a sensitive person.

[uneven pine]

Are we doing this shit again

[tardy rain]

not very resilient of you to complain so often kekmao

[uneven pine]

No kidding

[wanton delta]

no
have an orange juice 🧃
it has nata de coco in it

[quasi blaze]

I’m resilient in the context of hearing other people freely express their ideas in a civil manner even if I don’t agree with them.

And so we all should be.

[uneven pine]

Okay sounds good

Next topic?

[tardy rain]

next topic is the weather

its crazy

[honest star]

We're not gonna allow people to express opinions that violate our code of conduct. I want to be clear about that.

[quasi blaze]

That’s how we understand one other. Not to refrain them from expressing their thoughts because of the sensitive and the easily offended.

[tardy rain]

it was a bajillion degrees 2 days ago

[plush sun]

Damn, I barely missed it

[wanton delta]

it was a bajillion degrees this afternoon

[uneven pine]

It was 66 degrees here yesterday

Super nice

[wanton delta]

i was cooked

[tardy rain]

its supposed to storm here

[uneven pine]

We had a blistering summer

It's currently 64 out and I'll be running errands today so that'll be nice

[wanton delta]

i step barefoot on an exposed ceramic i swear i heard it sizzles

[eternal depot]

64c is still pretty hot ngl

[low chasm]

64f is chill weather

[plush sun]

Global warming hit hard 😔

[wanton delta]

so 64f is, 9/5 * 32

[low chasm]

.wa s 64f to c

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 17.8 degrees Celsius

[wanton delta]

17c is refrigerator (i live in tropical areas)

[fair summit]

Cold

[eternal depot]

Coat and Hotpot time

[low chasm]

temperatures in the 60s (farenheight) are peak weather I dunno what yall are on about

[wanton delta]

cozy

[fair summit]

s?

[low chasm]

60-70 range

[fair summit]

.wa 66f to c

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

View original for a bigger picture.

[wanton delta]

i've never lived in a cold place before, i'd probably get sick a lifetime over before I adapt

[fair summit]

.wa s 66f to c

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 18.9 degrees Celsius

[fair summit]

Ohno

[young shoal]

uk moment

[wanton delta]

setting AC at 18C i need a thick jacket

[quasi blaze]

I wish there was a debate channel

[tardy rain]

we visited the gf's parents and they have carpets everywhere

[fair summit]

.wa s 32c to f

[low chasm]

we've got pretty cold and hot weather here, but we haven't gotten much snow last few years 😔

[wanton delta]

a warm milk with biscuits

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

89.6 degrees Fahrenheit

[tardy rain]

and then rugs ontop of the carpets

my feet we're melting

[uneven pine]

I use human units

[fair summit]

Mine average "cool/fresh" weather

[low chasm]

farenheight just makes sense

[wanton delta]

32c is pretty hot

but i'll probably barely notice it anyway

[uneven pine]

gotta use 2 decimal points to make celsius as accurate as fahrenheight and that's just silly

[eternal depot]

Aka "wrong" units

[uneven pine]

"Yes, it's twenty-two point six eight degrees outside"

-statements by the utterly deranged

[wanton delta]

had kelvin be the SI and the common standard at the same time

[fair summit]

22.7

Do you feel 0.1 difference?

[wanton delta]

that reminds me of how tightly the body keep our temps, its insane

[uneven pine]

actually humans can tell differences pretty accurately up to half a degree fahrenheit

[plush sun]

We regularly get like 32C here and oh my god do I notice it

[wanton delta]

i exaggerated my capability
i'd probably dehydrate

[eternal depot]

0.1 of a degree Celsius is far less than half a degree F

[plush sun]

Same

[uneven pine]

we hit 107 multiple times this year

fucking sucked

[fair summit]

I feel 20c as very cold

[wanton delta]

holy shit

[uneven pine]

last year we only had one day hit that high

and the previous two years max height was 104, and that only happened for one day

[wanton delta]

you can probably cook something

[uneven pine]

you can cook eggs on asphalt at lower than 107 ambient lol

[wanton delta]

lmfao
side of the road special

[uneven pine]

assuming it's been in the sun, that shit absorbs heat like nobody's business

[fair summit]

.wa s 0f to c

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about -17.8 degrees Celsius

[fair summit]

.wa s 50f to c

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

10 degrees Celsius

[uneven pine]

I actually did it as a teenager, people kept saying "It's hot enough to cook an egg on the street"

[fair summit]

.wa s 100f to c

[young shoal]

what state?

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

about 37.8 degrees Celsius

[uneven pine]

so I tried, it was like 100 degrees, and it did start to cook on the pavement pretty much immediatley

[wanton delta]

and lo and behold they weren't lying

[uneven pine]

@young shoal southern alabama

[wanton delta]

saves gas/electricity

[young shoal]

ouch

[uneven pine]

if you can stand being outside in 100+ degrees with 90+% humidity

[wanton delta]

wonder if it's enough to heat a pan and actually cook something edible

[uneven pine]

technically yes

[tardy rain]

Yeehaw and such

[wanton delta]

💀

[uneven pine]

reflection cookers exist

use a thicc cast iron pan (Black and very heat absorbant) with a reflection cooker around it

it'll get hot enough to cook beef no issue

[wanton delta]

lmaoo

[fair summit]

45c and 97% average summer weather

[uneven pine]

uninhabitable

[wanton delta]

so happy i live in tropical areas

[quasi blaze]

You would not last 3 minutes in Toronto, Canada during the winter if you think 20 degrees Celsius is very cold

[young shoal]

go north 😔

[wanton delta]

i dont have to deal with 4 challenges in a cycle

[uneven pine]

I would like to

[wanton delta]

no snow tho

[uneven pine]

but as far north as I want to go is getting this hot already too @young shoal

it got up to like 110 in portland this year

[fair summit]

Idk, 5 years ago i felt -40c as ok

[uneven pine]

meanwhile canada having a record setting wildfire season

[uneven pine]

cold is way different than heat for me

[wanton delta]

you're not ok u probably need to go to a doctor your limbs are deteriorating

[quasi blaze]

Boss man wearing shorts in the winter in Toronto

[eternal depot]

I do not believe that is the correct usage of thicc...

Just saying

[fair summit]

With proper clothing

[uneven pine]

once you get down to like, 0f anything colder doesn't really feel colder

[wanton delta]

oh ok

[uneven pine]

at least in my experience

[wanton delta]

that sounds like a trick that can kill

[uneven pine]

I couldn't tell you the difference between 0f and -14f aside from at -14 I started feeling my eyes freeze

[wanton delta]

bcos at some point you just go numb

[uneven pine]

not the eye themselves but any tears around them

[wanton delta]

lmao sounds like a hazard

[uneven pine]

life of a delivery driver

[eternal depot]

Perhaps you should cry less often

[wanton delta]

the only bad answer

[fair summit]

It comes just to speed that you start feeling cold after getting outside?

[uneven pine]

it was snowing and I was out bringing people food at -14 lol

[wanton delta]

thank u for your service

[uneven pine]

little jetta that could

with good tires that car is surprisingly capable

[uneven pine]

pretty much. year before that it eas like -10 and my roommate and I had to go out in the snow to work on his car to try and solve a coolant leak, it was miserable

at 30 degrees, it's cool but nothing too bad. I can be out in it for an hour or two before I'm really feeling cold.
at 0 degrees, it's cold after 15-20 minutes
at -14 it's cold immediately and I would like to go back inside

heat really depends on humidity, I can work outside in 100 degrees with low humidity all day no issue. 50% and I'll start feeling it in a couple of hours, 70% and it's 30 minutes, anything higher and it's a no go outside asthma kill me day

[low chasm]

aight

time to cook a steak

[young shoal]

aboo aren't steaks holy or something

[quasi blaze]

I hate those “Which were discussed in class?” kind of questions

[tardy rain]

Just pay attention in class

Its really not hard to be a good student

[jaunty wraith]

source?

[tardy rain]

Me

[jaunty wraith]

debatable

[low chasm]

eh?

[tardy rain]

Steak is beef

[young shoal]

cows

[young shoal]

me

[low chasm]

ah, I'm not Hindu

[jaunty wraith]

debatable

[low chasm]

I can eat beef

[tardy rain]

No debating!

[jaunty wraith]

why not?

[tardy rain]

Proof?

[low chasm]

😮 🥩

[jaunty wraith]

cut of generic meat

[tardy rain]

Show the steaks

[low chasm]

I've sent pictures of steaks before, haven't I

whatever, let me find one

couldn’t find a steak, so have some short ribs instead

and no, it's not burnt ;-;

[young shoal]

😌🤤

[young shoal]

leak grades

[tardy rain]

Those are perfectly adequate ribs

[jaunty wraith]

congratulations ribs

[tardy rain]

Nothing short about them

[low chasm]

average ribs, even

[tardy rain]

Some would say they're big

[jaunty wraith]

I was an average student through and through, just like my nick

[low chasm]

we got a couple of steaks the other day, I'll make bulgogi and send pics 👀

[young shoal]

👀

[young shoal]

the average MC

[quasi blaze]

Easier to be a better employee

I’ve been much happier after I got a job

The real learning starts after college

[young shoal]

why is real learning easier? school is rigid, real life is fuzzy

[low chasm]

lmao my sister wrote a bunch of formulas on her arm the other day before a test

[young shoal]

so cheating

[quasi blaze]

No I’m saying it’s easier to be a better employee

[young shoal]

how?

[quasi blaze]

No need to answer questions like “Which X was discussed in class?”

Or “Use only the techniques taught in class”

[young shoal]

but you will need to answer "which technologies did Senior Dev Daniel say we want to use?"

[meager sphinx]

"ayo , our client requires us to use python 2 instead of 3 , figure the shit out"

[young shoal]

or "we're stuck with legacy Python"

[quasi blaze]

No I won’t because I’m the only dev in my company

[young shoal]

sure, "what technologies did you research?"

[tardy rain]

You wont always be

[young shoal]

"what technologies will we use?"

[quasi blaze]

Big difference between that question and “Use only the techniques taught in class.”

[young shoal]

that's not the equivalent I brought up

see the messages about Python 2

[quasi blaze]

What do you mean “Stuck with legacy Python.”

How can you be stuck

[low chasm]

legacy software

[young shoal]

millions of lines of code written in Python 2. can't change it to python3; too costly

[meager sphinx]

also , if you mess up your project or smth in class, your teacher might give you some as marks bcoz you tried (like , it wont be the end)
the client wont give a shit unless you give out a properly working product (this might literally be career ending)

[quasi blaze]

Look. All I’m saying is I’m having a better time in life having a job than I ever did in college. I can pay to enjoy hobbies, I can go out to bars and clubs; I couldn’t do any of that while I was in college because I had no job and it was cramming me with assignments

[tardy rain]

Cool

[young shoal]

you can believe that, but your evidence hasn't been very good