#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 50

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:46 PM

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Oooh, I meant move the whole taskbar. I like mine at the top of the screen

low chasm Aug 28, 2023, 12:46 PM

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I've since figured it out, but I've had similar issues across a few different distros

hybrid root Aug 28, 2023, 12:46 PM

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my friend with a 40xx card had to go through a lot of hoops to get it working. then they decided to switch back to windows 🤣

drowsy rose Aug 28, 2023, 12:47 PM

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f*** you nvidia
torvalds, idk

round pendant Aug 28, 2023, 12:48 PM

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i tried linux mint and it has xorg drivers by default (cuz its ,,opensus")
well they dont fucking work 👍

drowsy rose Aug 28, 2023, 12:48 PM

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lol

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:48 PM

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round pendant i tried linux mint and it has xorg drivers by default (cuz its ,,opensus") well ...

the linux experience

low chasm Aug 28, 2023, 12:48 PM

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OS wars generally aren't super productive - you can use what you like, experiences can be pretty subjective, and people have varying needs.

drowsy rose Aug 28, 2023, 12:49 PM

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true

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:49 PM

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nvidia has open source drivers, though I understand they're not as good as the proprietary stuff

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I'll be honest... I really am too averse to the inconvenience to avoid using proprietary software when I need

viral parrot Aug 28, 2023, 12:50 PM

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empty prism Oooh, I meant move the whole taskbar. I like mine at the top of the screen

you can do that, but its not bound to a setting in the control panel. maybe you have to do it manually

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let met test

round pendant Aug 28, 2023, 12:50 PM

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empty prism I'll be honest... I really am too averse to the inconvenience to avoid using pro...

i generally dont care about proprietary/opensus if it works, although if there is an open source alternative that works just as well - ill use it

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:51 PM

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viral parrot you can do that, but its not bound to a setting in the control panel. maybe you ...

I've kinda achieved it with a registry setting to use the windows 10 taskbar, but who knows how long that will work. Kinda janky already

viral parrot Aug 28, 2023, 12:52 PM

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looks like a register edit. it will work until a full UI change in windows 11, but im guessing that will not happen until windows 12

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:53 PM

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viral parrot looks like a register edit. it will work until a full UI change in windows 11, b...

It's just a shame and so dumb that you can't change it within the settings, very few people with this issue would feel comfortable editing the registry with all the warnings it gives you

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People have been complaining about it since 11 came out, but so far there doesn't seem to be any desire to change it

hybrid root Aug 28, 2023, 12:58 PM

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I bet replacing the taskbar altogether is a Herculean task on win

empty prism Aug 28, 2023, 12:58 PM

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hybrid root I bet replacing the taskbar altogether is a Herculean task on win

There were some options for 10, but none for 11 so far. It's... rough

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 1:13 PM

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empty prism People have been complaining about it since 11 came out, but so far there doesn'...

it's almost like microsoft doesn't value user customization

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 2:17 PM

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you will use what microsoft gives you and you will like it

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or else

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 3:37 PM

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@viral parrot 👋

https://dropmefiles.com/sqYTZ :

test.py - collection of different microbenchmarks
t.py - little library for microbenchmarking some code
show_results.py - prints difference between platforms
bench-<system-name>.json - contains data

How to use:
0) close any heavy background tasks

run test.py (optionally: give the process higher priority)
wait as long as you want (more = better)
it will print results and also save them into bench-<system-name>.json file
do 1-3) on different system
run show_results.py, it will show the difference between results on linux and on windows

I have prepared some results from half an hour of running test.py on both platforms. I believe these results are pretty accurate.
You can find corresponding bench-windows.json and bench-linux.json files in attached archive.
You can run show_results.py to see results from my tests.
You should delete these files before running tests on your machine (to not mix our results).

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https://paste.pythondiscord.com/U3VA
this results i got

histogram shows how much faster linux is compared to windows for all microbenchmarks

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 3:39 PM

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jesus

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thats impressive

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 4:02 PM

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lets check manually that at least some of these tests are correct.
lets choose this: x.__class__ 8.5 ns 2.9 ns +196.866%
we can see that there is a HUGE difference in speed

here is the code that performs the same test:

from time import time # measuring time
from itertools import repeat # quick iteration

n = 10**8 # number of iterations

class X: ...

def main():
    x = X()
    t1 = time() # save time
    for _ in repeat(None, n): # repeat n times
        x.__class__ # do thing
    t2 = time() # save time
    return (t2 - t1) / n # return time per iteration

# you can see that there is a lot of unnecessary overhead in main() fucntion:
# - timers
# - repeat() creation
# - iteration
#
# we only care about x.__class__ time, so we should subtract all other time

# here is the same function, but without x.__class__ part:
def main0():
    t1 = time()
    for _ in repeat(None, n):
        pass
    t2 = time()
    return (t2 - t1) / n

dt = main() - main0() # (x.__class__ time + overhead) - overhead

from t import format_value
print(format_value(dt))

if i run this code, i get 7.5 ns on windows and 1.3 ns on linux

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>>> 7.5 / 1.3
5.769230769230769
``` so windows needs +477% more time that linux to run this code
this is not the same value as in [#ot1-perplexing-regexing message](/guild/267624335836053506/channel/463035241142026251/) because of some noise and inaccuracies, but it definitely is not 0%

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 6:29 PM

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apparently my dyndns script was the culprit 😭

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 6:29 PM

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what broke

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 6:30 PM

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it enabled cloudflare proxying for an A entry that shouldn't be proxied

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which also meant I could have fixed this remotely 🤡

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at least the script should be fixed now

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 7:55 PM

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sullen pier lets check manually that at least some of these tests are correct. lets choose t...

it's a very tiny thing to try to measure pithink

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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sullen pier ```py >>> 7.5 / 1.3 5.769230769230769 ``` so windows needs +477% more time that ...

the windows timers are not that accurate

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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tranquil iron the windows timers are not that accurate

that shouldn't be an issue here

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 7:56 PM

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you cannot expect ns accuracy when measuring execution time, even ms are sorta suspect

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 7:57 PM

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it's measuring a long time difference

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 7:57 PM

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ok

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 7:59 PM

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judging by the results, the actual measured times were around 0.75s and 0.13s

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 7:59 PM

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sullen pier lets check manually that at least some of these tests are correct. lets choose t...

why are you using time.time for measuring time deltas? pithink

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at least use time.perf_counter

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 8:07 PM

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tranquil iron the windows timers are not that accurate

they are inaccurate by several milliseconds max
test itself runs for several seconds

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 8:09 PM

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solemn tulip why are you using `time.time` for measuring time deltas? <:pithink:6522475599092...

it is not that important actually, because time deltas are pretty big

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 8:17 PM

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sullen pier lets check manually that at least some of these tests are correct. lets choose t...

what are the respective times for main and main0 for windows and linux?

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 8:27 PM

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solemn tulip what are the respective times for main and main0 for windows and linux?

n = 3 * 10**8 # i increased it a bit
# also, im using perf_counter now

win:
 15 ns # main
7.9 ns # main0
7.5 ns # main - main0

lin:
7.7 ns
6.3 ns
1.4 ns
``` results, of course, are pretty noisy, but difference is always huge

solemn tulip Aug 28, 2023, 8:29 PM

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ok, at least the main0 is roughly comparable

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I wonder what happens here

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this should just be a glorified dict lookup

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(if that)

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 8:34 PM

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>>> import platform as p
>>> p.system()
'Windows'
>>> p.processor()
'Intel64 Family 6 Model 142 Stepping 12, GenuineIntel'
>>> p.architecture()
('64bit', 'WindowsPE')
>>> p.python_build()
('tags/v3.11.5:cce6ba9', 'Aug 24 2023 14:38:34')
>>> p.python_compiler()
'MSC v.1936 64 bit (AMD64)'
>>> p.python_version()
'3.11.5'
``` ```py
>>> import platform as p
>>> p.system()
'Linux'
>>> p.processor()
'x86_64'
>>> p.architecture()
('64bit', 'ELF')
>>> p.python_build()
('main', 'Aug 25 2023 13:19:50')
>>> p.python_compiler()
'GCC 11.4.0'
>>> p.python_version()
'3.11.5'

sullen pier Aug 28, 2023, 8:50 PM

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tbh, i have no idea why results are so different

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 9:20 PM

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dumb linux question: is there a more primitive and more common alternative to neofetch?

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like, what do poor Debian people use, if they don't want to apt install neofetch?

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 9:22 PM

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Neofetch is probably the most common from what I see

cobalt remnant Aug 28, 2023, 9:38 PM

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Neofetch is false advertising. It didn't behave anything like window.fetch()

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 9:49 PM

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🤨

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:09 PM

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what is neofetch?

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:10 PM

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https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch

GitHub

GitHub - dylanaraps/neofetch: 🖼️ A command-line system information...

🖼️ A command-line system information tool written in bash 3.2+ - GitHub - dylanaraps/neofetch: 🖼️ A command-line system information tool written in bash 3.2+

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a very popular tool. you do neofetch and it spits out your system information, and makes it look cool in process

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:10 PM

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tranquil iron what is neofetch?

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:10 PM

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heh, how cute

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:10 PM

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oops i dropped my neofetch

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silly me

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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🥺

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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not something I'd ever install on a server or use more than once but a cute side-project, I guess

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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i think many people that daily drive linux have it

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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not on a server, of course

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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no point on a server though yeah

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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it's just fun

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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grave cove i think many people that daily drive linux have it

why?

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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young shoal 🥺

what's this nice-looking shell prompt?

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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how else are we supposed to feel superior

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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gritty zinc what's this nice-looking shell prompt?

⭐🚢

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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grave cove how else are we supposed to feel superior

heh, fair enough

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:11 PM

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especially if it's arch

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it is my god given duty to inform everyone around me that i use arch btw every 5 minutes

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:12 PM

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young shoal ⭐🚢

hmm, but mine doesn't look like that... i'll have to investigate

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:12 PM

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it took quite a long time to piece it together

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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grave cove it is my god given duty to inform everyone around me that i use arch btw every 5...

doing your duty is a good thing

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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toml is not very amenable to the thing that i wanted to do

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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young shoal toml is not very amenable to the thing that i wanted to do

this is a sign that you are taking starship too far

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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just use json and be done with it

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or hjson if you're feeling fancy

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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it'd be way easier if i just used my own bash script for a prompt

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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young shoal it took quite a long time to piece it together

ah, it's "powerline" i guess

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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the diff thing is great too, but it doesn't show in the screenshot 🤔

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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the git diff?

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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gritty zinc ah, it's "powerline" i guess

yeah it's adapted from one of the template/demo things

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yeah

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but it's cooler

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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mmm

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leak starship config? 🥺

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mine is too minimalistic maybe

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:15 PM

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all defaults :kek:

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:15 PM

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i removed the language versions thing, though perhaps i should not have

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:15 PM

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stark prawn all defaults :kek:

give me some credit 😩

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i tweaked with it just barely enough to not be all defaults

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:15 PM

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mine is

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:16 PM

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based

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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oh no

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i need some fonts

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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😩

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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gritty zinc oh no

that's based, mang

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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me when  ♥

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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🥺

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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gritty zinc i need some fonts

fantasque sans mono nerd font has been my go to.

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comic sans but mono nerd font

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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#### Git
# $branch [+$added -$deleted] [$status]
[git_branch]
symbol = ""
style = "bg:#FFF6A3"
format = '[ $symbol $branch ]($style fg:#070707)'

[git_metrics]
disabled = false
added_style = "bg:#FFF6A3 fg:#03AC13"
deleted_style = "bg:#FFF6A3 fg:#B90E0A"
format = "([\b \\[](fg:#070707 bg:#FFF6A3)([+$added ]($added_style))([-$deleted ]($deleted_style))[\b\\] ](fg:#070707 bg:#FFF6A3))"

[git_status]
style = "bg:#FFF6A3 fg:#070707"
modified = "" # git_metrics shows us if we've modified files already
deleted = "X" # default char is too curvy, replace with normal X
format = "([\b \\[](bg:#FFF6A3 fg:#070707)[$all_status$ahead_behind]($style)[\\] ](bg:#FFF6A3 fg:#070707))"

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discord eats the branch character though since it doesn't have the right font

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:19 PM

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and I got the google/adobe cjk font to prevent getting too many rectangles in discord usernames 😛

frozen coral Aug 28, 2023, 10:21 PM

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grave cove leak starship config? 🥺

📎 starship.toml

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:23 PM

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ooh

frozen coral Aug 28, 2023, 10:23 PM

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looks like this normally

tranquil iron Aug 28, 2023, 10:23 PM

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shouldln't the battery discharge symbol be a graph of how full the battery is?

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:26 PM

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that seems difficult

frozen coral Aug 28, 2023, 10:26 PM

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you coudl probably do it, given enough symbols

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https://starship.rs/config/#example-3

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but, imo it's not worth it

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I have threshold 30 set, so it only appears below 30% anyway

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:27 PM

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ooh it seems they added more stuff

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:30 PM

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does WSL have access to battery percentage of the host machine

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:30 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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hmm, weird

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I already have nerd fonts, and I made sure of it - ubuntu mono nerd font is installed and mentioned in fc-list

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so what's up with my prompt?.. or do I need some specific nerd font for symbols?

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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what terminal are you using

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:37 PM

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fish

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:37 PM

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that's a shell

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:37 PM

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is it the vscode terminal?

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:38 PM

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young shoal that's a shell

gnome-terminal, then, I think

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yeah, that's it, "Version 3.44.0 for GNOME 42"

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:38 PM

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stark prawn is it the vscode terminal?

oh huh

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vscode's terminal works fine, actually

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well, almost, that's a missing symbol there, but the powerline works

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wtf are you doing, gnome-terminal

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:40 PM

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too many colors imo

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but you do you

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:40 PM

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for the symbols in vscode you need to add the font to your font-family in vscode (control + ,)

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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stark prawn for the symbols in vscode you need to add the font to your font-family in vscode...

hmm, like, terminal-integrated-font family?

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aha, thanks, got it. I misspelled it at first

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:43 PM

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gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:44 PM

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okay so that solves vscode

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now, wtf is wrong with gnome...

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maybe I should just change terminals and not bother solving this manually, lol

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:45 PM

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alacritty 🥺

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:45 PM

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maybe

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is it fine as a daily driver?

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:46 PM

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windows terminal is nice

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:46 PM

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gritty zinc is it fine as a daily driver?

yeah I had used it as a daily driver for quite a while

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:46 PM

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it somehow claims it's in beta despite having 40k stars on github

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:47 PM

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winterm is pretty good

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:47 PM

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Though sometimes it stops working after it's been udpated and I have to restart

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 10:47 PM

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though i can't use it yet 😔

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:47 PM

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Can't believe they made me restart my computer after an update
The nerve

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oldmanyells

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:48 PM

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The latest beta makes some computers not boot at all.

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-22h2#microsoft-received-reports-about-an--unsupported-processor--error

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:50 PM

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wait, that's a windows issue, right?

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not related to alacritty?

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 10:51 PM

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no, this was a response to robin saying he needed to restart after update

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 10:51 PM

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lmao, I went "how does a terminal prevent a system from booting"

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 10:52 PM

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this seems to be just a windows thing

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:06 PM

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okay I fixed the font issue

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hmm, I think I have an outdated starship though

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how did I even install it?.. I think it came with fish

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or...

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:07 PM

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a side of fish?

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usually fish is the main course

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:08 PM

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gritty zinc or...

ah, I probably installed it manually but like a year ago

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time to do another cargo install

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:09 PM

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i think you can just update it

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surely

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:10 PM

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I think the common method is the classical sketchy pipe a script from the web into sh

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:10 PM

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i'm pretty sure you just cargo install --locked starship

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:11 PM

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that's what i'm doing, yeah

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:12 PM

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You'd have to install cargo for that though

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:12 PM

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warning: package hermit-abi v0.3.1 in Cargo.lock is yanked in registry crates-io, consider running without --locked

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implying i don't have cargo

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:12 PM

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is that some kind of alternative package manager for windows?

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:12 PM

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gritty zinc > warning: package `hermit-abi v0.3.1` in Cargo.lock is yanked in registry `crat...

https://github.com/hermitcore/hermit-rs/issues/436 tanking a release for one bug...

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:13 PM

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stark prawn is that some kind of alternative package manager for windows?

i mean, one could say that 😛

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it's the package manager for rust

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:13 PM

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chocolatly

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:13 PM

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nuget 🥺

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:13 PM

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btw I cleaned my cpu fan, now it's fine

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no more 85 degrees at 50% cpu load

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it was just so dirty it didn't rotate at all

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:14 PM

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💀

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that happened to me too. dropped 20C instantly

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:41 PM

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gritty zinc btw I cleaned my cpu fan, now it's fine

wth

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:42 PM

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I have no hopes of ever running cool.

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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foggy jungle I have no hopes of ever running cool.

You are always cool in my eyes

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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catshy

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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@stark prawn

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Joy and Happiness doesn't preclude them from carrying metal pipes and lockpicking kits.

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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LOL

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Evil Ice Panda

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Pengwings

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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high verge wth

hmm?

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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benedict

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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woah ur rich

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:44 PM

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should i even enable EXPO

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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foggy jungle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlRpLGEwssA

And I can't pronounce Cumbersnatch.

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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quasi furnace <@223168485419778060>

firGun

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go ahead

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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quasi furnace woah ur rich

not really, i just know how to get really good deals

foggy jungle Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Benadryl Cucumberpatch

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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step on my property

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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my whole pc as it is rn costed me $600

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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bruh

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rich asf

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:45 PM

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CPU: Intel i3-3240 (4) @ 3.400GHz
cry about it

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:46 PM

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LOL

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i have an i3 too

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2nd gen :(

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:46 PM

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does that even run the latest windows?

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:46 PM

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not really... it can barely run linux

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but its enough

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my pc is older than me

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:47 PM

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.wa s second generation intel core release date

median domeBOT Aug 28, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:47 PM

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oof

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:48 PM

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stark prawn .wa s second generation intel core release date

like 2011

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im not a kid

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but the pc as a whole (case) is older than me

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some parts are newer

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:48 PM

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stark prawn does that even run the latest windows?

..what does it take to run latest windows?

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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gritty zinc ..what does it take to run latest windows?

i7 4090

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minimum specs

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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grave cove step on my property

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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gritty zinc ..what does it take to run latest windows?

i used to have a low end pc and using windows on it was absolute hell

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/this-cat-i-have-hired-this-cat-to-stare-at-you-hired-cat-cat-stare-gif-26392360

Tenor

proven ermine Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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gritty zinc ..what does it take to run latest windows?

it needs to be on this list or you're a hacker
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

Windows Processor Requirements

This specification details the processors that can be used with Customer Systems that include Windows Products (including Custom Images).

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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second gen i3 wtf

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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linux was a bit better

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

#

young shoal Aug 28, 2023, 11:49 PM

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that's over 10 years

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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its enough

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IT RUNS HALF LIFE 1 I DONT CARE

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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ayeee

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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gritty zinc ..what does it take to run latest windows?

tpm2 iirc is the one that makes some older chips incompatible

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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grave cove i7 4090

does windows 11 come with an integrated cryptominer or something

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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what is tpm2

gritty zinc Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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i didn't have any issues on win10 with this cpu

grave cove Aug 28, 2023, 11:50 PM

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gritty zinc does windows 11 come with an integrated cryptominer or something

nah, just windows

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:51 PM

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gritty zinc i didn't have any issues on win10 with this cpu

well... i had an intel pentium cpu DEADEYE

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gp440 something like that

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dual core

stark prawn Aug 28, 2023, 11:51 PM

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o there's atoms on the supported list

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I feel sad for whoever has an atom based pc with win 11

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:52 PM

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high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:52 PM

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and no graphics card either

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surprisingly my pc was really quiet

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and i used it for like

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5 years

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only upgraded it once to install 2x8gb sticks of ddr3 memory

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honestly the only thing different i notice from my old pc is the faster start up time with my new pc

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:54 PM

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ssd?

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:54 PM

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and the fact that it can run minecraft in vanilla mode

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ye

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i tried installing optifine shaders on it and it humbled my igpu instantly

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 PM

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lol

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 PM

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high verge and the fact that it can run minecraft in vanilla mode

no lag spikes??

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 PM

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nope

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 PM

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at all?

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:55 PM

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the fps is pretty smooth even when loading new chunks

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:56 PM

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guys... life is not fair

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:56 PM

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you probably havent worked yet since you're underage

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:56 PM

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people run minecraft with 0 lag and i can only play hl1

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:56 PM

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once you do making an investment of $600 sounds reasonable

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:56 PM

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high verge you probably havent worked yet since you're underage

yeah + living in a 3rd world country

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stuff here is expensive compared to income

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:57 PM

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oh 💀

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where u live

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brazil?

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:57 PM

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lol a bit worse

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dont really wanna say exactly where

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but its still better than other places tbh

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:58 PM

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bruh people in brazil be running some old ass hardware

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theres a few people in here who talk about it

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and yet... brazil has one of the highest hacker populations in the world

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maybe the hardware is so outdated its vulnerable

quasi furnace Aug 28, 2023, 11:59 PM

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we should have a competition to see who has the shittiest machine

high verge Aug 28, 2023, 11:59 PM

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lmao

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 12:48 AM

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On a basic board you wouldn't need to

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But you would generally have a ground copper fill on the top or bottom layer

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Which... well, essentially makes that a ground layer

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Like here's the keyboard, it's just a two layer board, but the top layer has a ground copper pour, it'll connect all the GND pads but avoid the others

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Like you can see a lil better here

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 12:53 AM

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I think I can understand it and what I'm looking at

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 12:53 AM

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Keyboards are simple enough to just handwire with a microcontroller.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 12:53 AM

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Is the lighter red the top most layer or second layer

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 12:54 AM

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top layer

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Blue stuff is the bottom layer

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Which doesn't consist of a heap of things, just a bunch of traces, the diodes for each switch and a few other small things

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 12:55 AM

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Did you make that

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 12:55 AM

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The keyboard? Yeah

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 12:56 AM

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tranquil orchid Which doesn't consist of a heap of things, just a bunch of traces, the diodes fo...

Cyberpunk underwear

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 12:56 AM

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Alternate name

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 12:58 AM

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Oh wow, yeah I see the underwear aspect

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Wonder if it's what batman wears, utility tighty whiteys

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Or Darth Vader's underwear, voice modifier, urinary release button, etc

carmine apex Aug 29, 2023, 12:59 AM

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am i the only one that sees wings? like a bird or moth or such?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Yes. Because I see darthvaders under roos.

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 1:02 AM

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carmine apex am i the only one that sees wings? like a bird or moth or such?

Idk where they are from, but those wings people stand on to fly around

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https://tenor.com/view/amazing-spiderman-green-goblin-gif-5957385

Tenor

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Green goblin

carmine apex Aug 29, 2023, 1:03 AM

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wrong goblin, traitor

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dafoe or death!

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:04 AM

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The goblin glider

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:07 AM

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runic plinth Keyboards are simple enough to just handwire with a microcontroller.

True, although less fun 👀

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:09 AM

#

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hello anyone here to help

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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PCB design looks like fun but daunting sad_cat .

gritty zinc Aug 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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river oracle

where did you get this program?

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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river oracle

https://pypi.org/project/nmap/

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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Wish people would use ai to handle PCB designing instead of using it to do their homework for them

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So I didnt have to learn this

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:12 AM

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Why do you need nmap for a email scraper?

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Unless that is a typo.

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Does pip install everything from the requirements file even if there is an invalid entry?

gritty zinc Aug 29, 2023, 1:13 AM

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nmap is, well, not a python package

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so I'm suspicious that they're installing malware (and so nmap used to be a malicious pypi package)

carmine apex Aug 29, 2023, 1:14 AM

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gritty zinc so I'm suspicious that they're installing malware (and so `nmap` *used* to be a ...

you're on a roll today, it seems

gritty zinc Aug 29, 2023, 1:14 AM

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but the simple and boring explanation is that they want nmap and so added it to requirements.txt which of course won't work

gritty zinc Aug 29, 2023, 1:15 AM

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carmine apex you're on a roll today, it seems

that's a charitable way to put it, the uncharitable is that I saw one example of that and so am very primed for another, even though it's not actually very likely here

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:18 AM

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runic plinth Why do you need nmap for a email scraper?

no it didnt

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:19 AM

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river oracle no it didnt

Is nmap in the requirements.txt file?

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:19 AM

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yes

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:19 AM

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That package doesn't exist though.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:20 AM

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@tranquil orchid are you good with pc components too?

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:20 AM

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I mean, there's not a heap to them 👀 just a lil bit of research, buy some stuff, slap em together and you're good to go

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:20 AM

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runic plinth That package doesn't exist though.

the pacage wont work

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:20 AM

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river oracle the pacage wont work

The package is gone.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:21 AM

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CPU/GPU combo for UE5 on a non-professional level and gaming

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:21 AM

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i have been looking for emaill scrapper how can i get one

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 1:22 AM

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@river oracle it looks like you are trying to install a virus, that's a very bad idea and you may have been infected

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:22 AM

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I was considering the r7 7700x, r7 7800x3D, and r9 7950x, and r9 7900x3D to be paired with either a rx 6750 xt or 3070 Ti

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:22 AM

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eager cliff CPU/GPU combo for UE5 on a non-professional level and gaming

I don't have a clue what the current state of the PC market is at the moment, I built mine like ~3 years ago before the whole GPU price spikes and stuff started to occur

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So not sure what'd be good choices these days

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:22 AM

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I feel like it doesn't really matter anymore. Unless you know what you are doing.

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 1:23 AM

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https://discord.gg/buildapc

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:23 AM

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You can't go wrong with anything really unless you are doing something really intensive.

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Or niche

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:23 AM

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Yeah I just set myself a budget and had a hunt around until I found the best combo I could find for the price

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Yeah, my most recent cpu/mobo was a combo deal.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:24 AM

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stark prawn https://discord.gg/buildapc

I'm there. Dont like it.

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Then just filled out the rest with whatever.

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Ended up yoinking a 1660Ti for a sweet price, a ryzen 5 2600 and then whatever other stuff and things

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:25 AM

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stark prawn <@1138378954995154955> it looks like you are trying to install a virus, that's a...

alright i will take a close look at that and prevent it

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:25 AM

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1660 super is just a 1660 TI but cheaper

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The super is probably even better than the ti for the 1660 card variants. Was a weird release

river oracle Aug 29, 2023, 1:25 AM

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who i need a email scrapper how can i get one

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:25 AM

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I bought a 2080 super right before the pandemic. Felt really lucky for a while.

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:26 AM

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I got the 1660Ti stupid cheap so was well worth it

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Might as well just build a am4 system to abuse the ddr4 ram prices

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Yup

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I feel like a lot of people go overkill with their builds.

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:27 AM

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Yeah I didn't need anything special, I just wanted something half decent that worked for the stuff I do, which is nothing crazy

young shoal Aug 29, 2023, 1:27 AM

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you can get so much ddr4 ram these days

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and the SSD prices

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omg

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:27 AM

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8 cores is my minimum amount

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I refuse to have a pc that has less cores than a xbox series x

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 1:28 AM

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river oracle who i need a email scrapper how can i get one

This server isn't the place, please read our rules

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:29 AM

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Some of ryzens cpus for am4 has the 3D cache if I'm not mistaken so it's still a very solid option over am5 and ddr5 ram

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:29 AM

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cache in 3 dimensions brainmon

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Why stop at 3

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Cache through time

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:30 AM

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Vnand style cache for cpu?

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What does the cache even look like

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:31 AM

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Haven't a clue

young shoal Aug 29, 2023, 1:31 AM

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sram or whatever

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:32 AM

#

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You're the PCB guy, read this pls

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:32 AM

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boxes

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:32 AM

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Ah yes

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read the transistors

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:32 AM

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I think I count a billion transistors

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 1:33 AM

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runic plinth I think I count a billion transistors

you missed a few

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count again

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:33 AM

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dang

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Lemme try again

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:33 AM

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multiply by 50 or something and you're probably getting to the right ballpark

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:34 AM

#

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 1:34 AM

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chiplet

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:34 AM

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What's inside the chiplet

stark prawn Aug 29, 2023, 1:35 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/lisa-su-amd-ryzen-cpu-gif-18741811

Tenor

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:36 AM

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eager cliff What's inside the chiplet

Have you ever see those videos of cpu wafers getting ground down?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:37 AM

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Sounds like torture

#

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:37 AM

#

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I dunno, I think it's interesting.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:38 AM

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The one game I thought would benefit from 3d cache ends up tying with a non 3d cache cpu

runic plinth Aug 29, 2023, 1:38 AM

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The entire process is fascinating how we can create billions of microscopic transistors.

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:38 AM

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Ground down as in grinded up to dust or ground interms of eletrical stuff

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Depending on 5800x3ds price compared to 7800x3ds price I think I will settle for an am4 system

#

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Am4 is a no brainer. Ddr5 ram is so far the only perk for am5

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It's only $300 cheaper for a full am4 build with 64GB 3600mhz ram kit compared to a am5 build with 32GB 6000mhz ram kittho.

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 1:54 AM

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goddamn you are rich

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i hate rich people

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 1:57 AM

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runic plinth

Reminds me of all the datasheets I've had to read that're listing out a signal bit by bit

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 1:57 AM

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I'm not rich I just know how to manage money between paychecks

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 1:58 AM

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rich mf

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give me 2 dolla

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:00 AM

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14% of pay goes to government, $175 goes to mom for rent, $150 for food/beverages. Half of the rest goes into bank to be saved, and the rest can be used as whatever catches my interest. Usually being 30-70usd

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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give me

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4 dolla

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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No?

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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im 250k in debt

#

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:03 AM

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quasi furnace

@rough sapphire which one are you

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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Jackyboy this ones for you

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Only 700usd new, and 500 used

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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pithink

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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eager cliff Jackyboy this ones for you

what the hell is this abomination

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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quasi furnace <@456226577798135808> which one are you

I don't do drugs

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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Japanese engineering

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:04 AM

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500$ used?

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if thats true why buy a new one

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200$ cheaper holy moly

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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eager cliff Only 700usd new, and 500 used

lol I think I'm good, my computer is just fine for what I need 👀

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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Why buy that at all

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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buy a thinkpad

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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When the original 3070 is 400 usd

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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mfw portable

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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New

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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LOL linux users be like:

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thinkpad... broke mf

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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Lenovo ideapad gaming 5

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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thinkpads are solid laptops

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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With a ram and storage upgrade

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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W jack opinion

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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I don't think I would ever buy a gaming laptop, they just don't make sense 👀

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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the only thinking im doing is... think why i wasted my money

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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😭

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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Dont use it for gaming

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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wasted on what

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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What on earth are you using it for 👀

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:06 AM

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I used mine as a portable productivity workspace

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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But like, why do you need that much power 👀

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I just use my macbook at uni and when going places

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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whats up with the eyes jack

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Does just fine

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Ue5

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Is unreal really that heavy?

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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darude whats ur job btw

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Kinda

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Mostly the lighting

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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I work at Mcdonalds full time

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Welp, luckily I'm not a game dev 👀

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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rn

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

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BRO @rough sapphire

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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And if you dont know what you're doing, like me

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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SEND ME MCDONALD TO RUSSIA

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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I cant optimize my code at all

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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quasi furnace SEND ME MCDONALD TO RUSSIA

Bet

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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huh?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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Youtubers use 7 lines to do what my 50 lines of code does

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No, for begging

tranquil iron Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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eager cliff Youtubers use 7 lines to do what my 50 lines of code does

you'll get better as you learn more theory and practice more

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 2:08 AM

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rough sapphire I work at Mcdonalds full time

based

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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I lied

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I'm a part time stock trader

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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oh

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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eager cliff No, for begging

what bonehead would think im serious abt him sending me food

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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slightly less based

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but still pretty based

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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tranquil iron you'll get better as you learn more theory and practice more

Yeah once I get new system I can switch from godot and gdscript back to ue5

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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rough sapphire I'm a part time stock trader

below 18

rough sapphire Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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Identity theft

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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lmao

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:09 AM

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eager cliff Yeah once I get new system I can switch from godot and gdscript back to ue5

godot is pretty nice

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:10 AM

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tranquil orchid Is unreal really that heavy?

Also my current laptop cant handle more than 2 instances of occluded light sources.

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The one I had previously used occluded light as toilet paper

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:11 AM

#

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:11 AM

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More or less objects blocking light and casting shadows. I forgot what it is, but still remember what it does

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:12 AM

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do you make games in a pixilatdd way?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:12 AM

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For some reason if I make an application go into the "not responding" state it makes it load the applications faster

grave cove Aug 29, 2023, 2:12 AM

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reverse psychology

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:13 AM

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Feels like forever if I make it not go into non responsive state

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Also it wont let me install arduino ide software.

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:16 AM

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wdym won't let you? 👀

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:17 AM

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I have enough space on my c drive, but it says not enough space

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So I tried precompiled zip file, wont even launch

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This laptop is very fidgety

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But if I wanna play a 2D top down survival game that's cpu intensive at a very playable fps. I can.

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Nvm dont starve isnt as cpu intensive as I thought.

#

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Ideapad gaming 3 has a lot of different specs. This one is moderately decent. My last one used radeon Vega 8 graphics

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:23 AM

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All I tend to want out of a laptop is something with solid battery life, and nice and portable

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Power I don't really care about

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:23 AM

#

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This was my last laptop, except it was windows 10 and had a different cpu

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And I dont think it had a type c port

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:24 AM

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Anyways, I should go back to drowning in datasheets, I have so many schematics to make by the end of the week

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:24 AM

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Is that for college or job

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:24 AM

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the former

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mostly

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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College sounds overwhelmingly torturous

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Na I love uni

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It's a blast

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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what year?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Have fun dont die under hundreds of pieces of paper

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Getting towards the end of my 2nd year

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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good luck

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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What's the dropout rate in Australia

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Haven't a clue

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:25 AM

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LOL

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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depends on the course

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And the uni

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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why is he asking that 😭

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Cus US has a high college dropout rate

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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I think at the uni I'm at

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The completion rate is at 82% or something

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Mostly people going for a diploma in a completely useless field

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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it legal to drop out from HS?

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Yes

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As long as you're 16 you can drop out

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They cant stop you, if you try before you'll get into trouble and eventually your parents can get fined or taken to jail

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Something something chikd neglection

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 2:28 AM

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where i live we have drop outs as young as 3rd grade

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:29 AM

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Damn

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:30 AM

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I don't even care about my classes really, I mean they're alright as well, some are far more fun than others, it's the student team stuff that I really enjoy though

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Who wouldn't want to go to uni and build rockets

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:30 AM

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I would like to go for that

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I just wish I took my education more seriously when I was a younger brat

tranquil orchid Aug 29, 2023, 2:30 AM

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We've got a lot of teams doing cool stuff

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tranquil iron Aug 29, 2023, 2:31 AM

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that's cool stuff

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 2:32 AM

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That is some cool stuff

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Wonder what my local tech college does

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Cant find anything, seems they're more keen on being boring

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Enjoy your data sheet work, I'm going back to what I was doing

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 7:47 AM

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it feels so good to understand documentation

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i love being slightly smarter than average

thick ore Aug 29, 2023, 9:59 AM

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read more documentation and youll understand more documentation

tulip falcon Aug 29, 2023, 10:45 AM

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quasi furnace i love being slightly smarter than average

Everyone thinks they're above average at driving , for example lemon_pensive

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How can everyone be above average

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 11:58 AM

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tulip falcon How can everyone be above average

:(

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okay fine im average

steep swift Aug 29, 2023, 12:17 PM

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Just recently I was arguing with a guy saying that ai is better than humans and just basically making fun of me because I don't know ai because when he asked chat gpt it made him a 2d game with no errors with I call cap so he said ai will replace all programs so I told him what language did chat gpt write the code in he told me English 😂😂

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Little fun story

hidden storm Aug 29, 2023, 1:10 PM

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Will it replace us ?

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It made a 2d game WILL IT REPLACE US

outer sundial Aug 29, 2023, 5:27 PM

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@subtle dew if you are on windows, you can change the title fairly trivially with auto hot key https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/v1/lib/WinSetTitle.htm

WinSetTitle - Syntax & Usage | AutoHotkey

The WinSetTitle command changes the title of the specified window.

eternal depot Aug 29, 2023, 5:56 PM

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@reef geyser what's for breakfast?

sullen pier Aug 29, 2023, 8:23 PM

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@viral parrot hi
we were talking about windows vs linux perfomance a day earlier
i posted code and results here: #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

viral parrot Aug 29, 2023, 8:41 PM

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cool, do you have a direct link?

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oh i found it

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!remind 4d #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

royal lakeBOT Aug 29, 2023, 8:42 PM

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Sure.

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1693687329:F>!

quasi furnace Aug 29, 2023, 9:37 PM

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steep swift Just recently I was arguing with a guy saying that ai is better than humans and ...

gpt once gave me a faulty bomb making recipe

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mf wanted to kill me

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 10:00 PM

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steep swift Just recently I was arguing with a guy saying that ai is better than humans and ...

I wanna make a game in english

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What do I install to do so?

tranquil iron Aug 29, 2023, 10:00 PM

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eager cliff What do I install to do so?

a brain

eager cliff Aug 29, 2023, 10:01 PM

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I come precompiled with a brain

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Some people get compilation errors but still compile

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Which I would be one of those

eternal depot Aug 30, 2023, 12:45 AM

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@reef geyser CAN HAZ PIE?

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Plz? Kthx

thick osprey Aug 30, 2023, 2:58 AM

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There we go @vale raven - Shell agnostic clean session. https://github.com/Preocts/python-src-template/pull/125

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:16 AM

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@fathom musk

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Sup

fathom musk Aug 30, 2023, 5:17 AM

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Yeah so

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Seee

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When I had binoculars

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:17 AM

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ik

fathom musk Aug 30, 2023, 5:17 AM

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Or maybe i still have it lying somewhere

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:17 AM

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look through one side, big

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wrong side, small

fathom musk Aug 30, 2023, 5:18 AM

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Yes but from the small side, if you'd put something very close to it, it would basically act like a microscope

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:18 AM

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wym

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*wdym

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what do you think a microscope does

fathom musk Aug 30, 2023, 5:19 AM

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What sorta question is that?

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It like magnifies an image

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:20 AM

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yes

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what do you think the normal side of binoculars do

fathom musk Aug 30, 2023, 5:22 AM

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Idk what to call it but Zooms the image

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Anyways breakfast is ready so gtg

flint sky Aug 30, 2023, 5:27 AM

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k bye

eternal depot Aug 30, 2023, 7:29 AM

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<@&831776746206265384>

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:15 AM

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@tranquil orchid what do you think the chest piece is?

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A literal voice box?

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Its connected to the throat

tranquil orchid Aug 30, 2023, 8:16 AM

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that just looks like a gpu lol

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:18 AM

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It does

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I was trying to be funny cus it's a box connected to the throat 😦

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If it's a gpu I wonder if they made it

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Or one of nvidias 30k ai gpus

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It probably is their own gpu, msrp of optimus is supposed to be 20k

tranquil orchid Aug 30, 2023, 8:22 AM

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I don't even know what this robot is 👀

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:28 AM

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https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/keyword/and i think more people should use this

cpp/keyword/and

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:36 AM

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tranquil orchid I don't even know what this robot is 👀

Its Tesla's optimus robot

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They want to rebrand as more than just a car company

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Itll use all the software and shit tesla cars use for moving around and whatnot

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 8:37 AM

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rough sapphire https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/keyword/and i think more people should use thi...

we need to set some rules

tulip falcon Aug 30, 2023, 8:40 AM

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eager cliff <@284565640684109824> what do you think the chest piece is?

Looks like an nft project or something

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:40 AM

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Probably is

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Idk what its use case is

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Most rich people still use professional butlers and maids, other people do things themselves for work ethic

tulip falcon Aug 30, 2023, 8:42 AM

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First gen is always the worst gen with issues and etc

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We gonna have used robots for like $200 in the future

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:43 AM

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Wasnt Elon warning us about ai

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Now hes putting it in everything tesla makes?

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Is it even ethical to build robots designed to look like humans?

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And do human things

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:47 AM

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thick ore we need to set some rules

what rules

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 8:47 AM

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rough sapphire what rules

why would you ever use that

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:48 AM

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for boolean checks

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 8:48 AM

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when && has existed for years and is practically the standard

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:48 AM

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if (a == 0 and b != 0){}

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 8:48 AM

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parens

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 8:49 AM

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thick ore when && has existed for years and is practically the standard

true

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:51 AM

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let's change the standard

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we need 2 standards

plush sun Aug 30, 2023, 8:52 AM

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.xkcd 927

median domeBOT Aug 30, 2023, 8:52 AM

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XKCD comic #927

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:53 AM

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and is also really old

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like it should work on any C++ standard

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 8:54 AM

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rough sapphire like it should work on any C++ standard

the question is why not &&

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 8:54 AM

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imo it sometimes makes the code harder to read, in my own language i have and instead of &&

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(btw how to parse expressions i am really stuck)

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:55 AM

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Sorrow speak pal

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@tulip falcon you cant just ditch out mid conversation like that 😠

tulip falcon Aug 30, 2023, 8:56 AM

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I lost enthusiasm for what I was going to say midway through it and deleted it

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 8:56 AM

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Why

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Oh nvm

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Kinda like Tesla with cyber truck

tardy rain Aug 30, 2023, 8:58 AM

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Robots bad

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Thats all

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 9:03 AM

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rough sapphire let's change the standard

just got a response from tccpp

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i'm waiting for others

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to see if you're right in at least one case

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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I use and..

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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lol

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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eager cliff I use and..

cool

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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What's the difference between them

rough sapphire Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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more people use and = more often and is used over &&, you get it???

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 9:04 AM

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https://github.com/cpplint/cpplint/blob/develop/cpplint.py
TIL cpplint is one giant Python file

eager cliff Aug 30, 2023, 9:05 AM

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They both do the same thing

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 9:12 AM

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rough sapphire more people use `and` = more often `and` is used over `&&`, you get it???

no not really

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need to check the truthness of the left side

naive igloo Aug 30, 2023, 9:30 AM

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rough sapphire https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/keyword/and i think more people should use thi...

wait what

small coral Aug 30, 2023, 9:41 AM

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small coral to see if you're right in at least one case

so now they're arguing about broken keyboards

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ok

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wow

quasi furnace Aug 30, 2023, 10:54 AM

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spent an entire day on making a calculator

tardy rain Aug 30, 2023, 11:37 AM

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What does it calculate

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 11:38 AM

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numbers

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probably

quasi furnace Aug 30, 2023, 11:48 AM

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lol

thick ore Aug 30, 2023, 1:08 PM

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agree

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yaml would be nice for config file too

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lmaoo

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also msgpack for serialization if more low-level and high performance

grave cove Aug 30, 2023, 1:51 PM

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I think they meant msgpack instead of json

tranquil iron Aug 30, 2023, 1:51 PM

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oh, msgpack instead of

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lol, brain fart

grave cove Aug 30, 2023, 1:51 PM

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haha I can see how it could be read the other way too

tranquil iron Aug 30, 2023, 1:54 PM

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there's always msgspec => https://jcristharif.com/msgspec/

grave cove Aug 30, 2023, 1:54 PM

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msgspec is pretty cool

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I have been using it for some projects

young shoal Aug 30, 2023, 3:11 PM

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msgspec is really cool. fast too

graceful basin Aug 30, 2023, 3:16 PM

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I quite like cap'n proto, mostly because of the name

quasi furnace Aug 30, 2023, 5:13 PM

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what is all of this

unkempt prairie Aug 30, 2023, 7:06 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-sup-robin-williams-wazzup-gif-14541215

Tenor

outer sundial Aug 30, 2023, 7:51 PM

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@deep cedar I looked a bit more and I have no clue what cs61a is, but you should look though all the #409692123944714240 channels and see if any fit it. There is also #internals-and-peps if by "core python" you mean about python internals. If you just mean python in general, that's what #python-discussion is for.

deep cedar Aug 30, 2023, 7:53 PM

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outer sundial <@700654947590733864> I looked a bit more and I have no clue what cs61a is, but ...

Got it, that makes sense. I will probably post it in help. I am basically looking for some people that I can talk to without all the noise here in bigger channels.

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By core python I mean, barebones and just simple Python.

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CS61a is the world's best programming course taught at UC Berkely

tranquil iron Aug 30, 2023, 7:54 PM

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nothing about python is simple

deep cedar Aug 30, 2023, 7:54 PM

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Well, only the standard library.

tranquil iron Aug 30, 2023, 7:54 PM

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deep cedar CS61a is the world's best programming course taught at UC Berkely

I'd think a graph theory course would would be the best

deep cedar Aug 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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tranquil iron I'd think a graph theory course would would be the best

I intended pun

outer sundial Aug 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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Unfortunately this isn't really the best place for finding study groups, I would recommend posting on the Python Reddit though. I would also use discord's search feature for finding other people talking about cs61a. And just talking about standard python, #python-discussion is the place.

tranquil iron Aug 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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deep cedar I intended pun

I don't get it

deep cedar Aug 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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outer sundial Unfortunately this isn't really the best place for finding study groups, I would...

Got it, thanks for the help though. Much appreciated.

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:40 AM

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GraphQL is wild https://paste.pythondiscord.com/4HVQ

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:41 AM

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graphql is cool

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:41 AM

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It is pretty cool. Feels like an entirely different language to learn in the language I'm using. xD

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All this because I want to pull my daily PR/Commit count with a final tally on files touched, additions, and deletions.

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:42 AM

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seems like something that could probably be better done locally 🤔

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a git hook or something

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:44 AM

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If all the work I did was local then I could track it there.

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But it's rarely all local and the stuff that is rarely hangs out on my machine. I usually delete the local repos when I'm done with them.

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:46 AM

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how are you doing work not-locally?

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:46 AM

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Might not be my machine (remote access). Might be work done on the github UI itself.

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:46 AM

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i c i c

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:49 AM

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Looks pretty easy. A query to:

Pull user activity for the day
For each repository listed in activity:
- Query to identify PR diffs for that day

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Slap it all together in the bragsheet

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:49 AM

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pog

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:52 AM

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oh, and pagination handlers. ugh.

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How does pagination work on graphql pithink I see first and last cursors... where next?

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oh, that's endCursor for next.

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 12:53 AM

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you can pass parameters in your query; i presume there

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 12:58 AM

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Ah, yeah. Looks like the initial query I just say "sort this way and give me the first 10". Then I can say "do that again but give me results after this cursor"

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 1:30 AM

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EZ https://paste.pythondiscord.com/I7CA

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 2:37 AM

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lemon_hyperpleased

(venv) preocts @ Preocts ~/daystats (main)
└─▶ $ python -m daystats.pullstats
Contributions(commits=9, issues=1, pullrequests=3, reviews=0, pr_repos={Repo(owner='Preocts', name='python-src-template'), Repo(owner='Preocts', name='walk-watcher')})
PullRequest(additions=30, deletions=36, files=1, url='https://github.com/Preocts/walk-watcher/pull/48')
PullRequest(additions=83, deletions=62, files=3, url='https://github.com/Preocts/walk-watcher/pull/47')

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 2:39 AM

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👀

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 2:40 AM

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timezones are going to bite me here lemon_angrysad

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But I don't want to have third party imports for this. whaaa

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Maybe I can just set the utc offset in a config and call it close enough pithink

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 2:41 AM

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you don't want it to just use your local?

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 2:42 AM

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GitHub is UTC for all returned timestamps.

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Unless I missed a way to declare that in the query.

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 2:43 AM

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hm. are you getting naive datetimes ig?

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 2:43 AM

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So if I'm looking for all contributions on 2023-08-29, I'm actually looking for a spread of them between 2023-08-29 and 2023-08-30.

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Yeah, I can make it dirty by just keeping the utc offset in a config.

(venv) preocts @ Preocts ~/daystats (main)
└─▶ $ python -m daystats.pullstats
2023-08-30 00:00:00 - 2023-08-30 23:59:59 : Local
2023-08-29 19:00:00 - 2023-08-30 18:59:59 : UTC

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 2:49 AM

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ah, right

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L timezones fr

grave cove Aug 31, 2023, 2:52 AM

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#abolishtimezones

ruby fox Aug 31, 2023, 3:01 AM

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grave cove #abolishtimezones

This is literally #earthisflat

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:05 AM

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This is a fun idea but out of time for the night.
https://github.com/Preocts/datstats/blob/main/src/daystats/pullstats.py

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Got it "working" and that always feels good.

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Just need to wrap my head around those timezones. I think I'm offsetting in the wrong direction.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:09 AM

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thick osprey This is a fun idea but out of time for the night. <https://github.com/Preocts/d...

Wait
Isn't this for braghook?
Isn't that a thing that sends an embed to Discord?
Did you abstract the data gathering to it's own repo?
Is it time for a game of "how many repos can we involve in sending a message to Discord"?
I vote we make our own GitHub API wrapper next, and daystats can import it

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:14 AM

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vale raven Wait Isn't this for braghook? Isn't that a thing that sends an embed to Discord?...

This will be for brag hook.

Braghook has the option for an embed to Discord.

The dailystat repo will hold a self-contained version for other uses. I did this mostly to learn GraphQL but I also have interest in these stats.

I'm not sure what the final output will look like. My original goal was to get a single line that said "Changed N files with N additions and N deletions in N repos."

A wrapper around this API sounds like a chore. It's very verbose.

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Listing every PR in a webhook? Probably not a good idea. Listing them in the saved brag (markdown)? Yeah, I'll likely do that.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:16 AM

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Neat
I might steal it
Work is feeling very soul sucking lately, and I'm thinking seeing these numbers come in might help me feel like I've actually accomplished something

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:16 AM

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Make daily brags. Changed my outlook on my daily life.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:17 AM

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What's that look like?

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I uh... I made a #rants
It uh... wasn't the best idea

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:19 AM

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vale raven What's that look like?

2023-08-28

Over all progress toward cleaning of the automation repo went decently. Feeling good about the choices to practically rewrite the api library. Two weeks effort but the code already feels more solid to work with.

- Shoulder tapped by [name] for 30 minutes - training for PagerDuty
- 4.5 hours of meetings
- Focus time interrupted twice

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Usually a few TODO notes for the next day

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:20 AM

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"focus time interrupted twice"
you guys get time to focus??

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Yeah
That looks more like self review to me
But that's good too

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:21 AM

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I take focus time.

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It's a lot like a self review. When my leadership asks me "what's been happening" I usually start opening brags to remember.

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But it's also little nods to myself. "Remember, you felt good about this idea"

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I want braghook to append all the PR details to the bottom of the brag once the day is done. That way I don't need to go looking.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:24 AM

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thick osprey I take focus time.

I close the door
User knocks
I ignore the user
User knocks again
I shake my head
User knocks again
I wave them away
User knocks again
I turn my screen to show them the pile of faces in my meeting
User knocks again
I mute my meeting and open the door
"My printer isn't working"
"Do you have a ticket?"
"No"
firStab

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I hate users

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:24 AM

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You have a door?

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:26 AM

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I do
I was actually in a big room with multiple doors and a three person department
But I've since been moved into an office that was being used for storage of IT stuffs, so my desk is surrounded by boxes of monitors and phones and spools of Ethernet

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:29 AM

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I never did get my own room when I was in office. Not really anything that would make the working enviornment more bearable but something I never had.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:29 AM

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It's also one of the ones with a window overlooking the production floor.
And because there's so much stuff in it, my boss put a lock on the window and didn't give me the key.
The users will open the production manager's windows to talk to them, and then come to my window and get confused when it won't open. And then they knock and I shake my head because there's nothing I can do about it.
And then they get personally offended that I "refused" to open my window for them

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Users man

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They're the worst

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Sorry
I'm rambling
It's been a long day
Family hurt my feelings

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You said you were leaving

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:31 AM

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It's okay. You're not bothering me.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:31 AM

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I'll let you get back to it

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:31 AM

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You got one of those late night cookie delivery shops in the area? My treat.

vale raven Aug 31, 2023, 3:32 AM

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firEyes
I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before

grave cove Aug 31, 2023, 3:32 AM

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cookieCat

thick osprey Aug 31, 2023, 3:33 AM

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It's a thing. I don't have them here but I've heard of them through channels.

spare oriole Aug 31, 2023, 3:58 AM

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vale raven <:firEyes:785674652755689492> I don't think I've ever seen anything like that b...

where you at?

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check doordash, the cookie places are usually lurking on there, uber is more for normal food

thorny apex Aug 31, 2023, 6:32 AM

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Can I get a good paying job for Professional Data Analysis certification from Google?

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I have found this course on coursera and would like to know if it's worth it or not?

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https://coursera.org/professional-certificates/google-data-analytics

Coursera

Google Data Analytics

Offered by Google. This is your path to a career in data analytics. In this program, you’ll learn in-demand skills that will have you ... Enroll for free.

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I have seen many of the teenagers get into high paying without any Degree

tulip falcon Aug 31, 2023, 8:15 AM

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You saw teenagers get high paying jobs without a degree? Ask what they did

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You'll do a lot of shit, one course can help make you but it won't break you

pseudo oasis Aug 31, 2023, 8:27 AM

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hi ppl

unkempt prairie Aug 31, 2023, 11:58 AM

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Gideon Overcame Adversity Together

grave cove Aug 31, 2023, 1:52 PM

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thorny apex I have seen many of the teenagers get into high paying without any Degree

only a few out of hundreds of thousands

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put yourself in the shoes of an employer - would they pick someone that did some online course for free over someone that spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at a university with a bachelors or master's degree?

tranquil iron Aug 31, 2023, 2:46 PM

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thorny apex I have seen many of the teenagers get into high paying without any Degree

I suspect we may have different definitions of "high paying" and "many"

young shoal Aug 31, 2023, 2:55 PM

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there may even be many definitions

solemn tulip Aug 31, 2023, 4:03 PM

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thorny apex https://coursera.org/professional-certificates/google-data-analytics

wow thay color choice is terrible

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oo le

tranquil iron Aug 31, 2023, 4:03 PM

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lol

rugged plank Aug 31, 2023, 11:18 PM

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thorny apex I have seen many of the teenagers get into high paying without any Degree

I took it and enjoyed it. I didn't put it on my resume and I wouldn't unless ur just applying for an internship. By itself it's definitely not enough to just start applying for jobs.

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So depends what u mean by worth it

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It's definitely worth it if ur trying to decide if u have an interest in this and want exposure to the tools and ideas.

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 2:40 AM

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apply

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:44 AM

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Usually internships are only for juniors college students ( which is super BS tbh) or ppl who just graduated

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But there's exceptions

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U could apply anyway. No one hires interns based on skill or talent. Usually just enthusiasm

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So if u love this Sh** you'd be surprised how much can go ur way

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I had a couple sophomores apply last year. We interviewed them, they didn't get hired but we have em a shot

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 2:48 AM

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it is possible to get an internship as a freshman, though

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I would say apply and familiarize yourself with the process + start improving your resume

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:49 AM

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One guy clearly was just was finance student guy who thought programming was profitable so he wanted to learn it on the job without ever really having tried it.

The other was very passionate about software development but it was a data analytics internship and he just didn't seem to be the guy for it

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:49 AM

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young shoal I would say apply and familiarize yourself with the process + start improving yo...

This guy is correct

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 2:49 AM

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I'm never wrong

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:50 AM

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Relationship simulating chatbot,

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 2:50 AM

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well get on it then

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:51 AM

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Tbf I'm employed and most of my stuff is semi functional on a good day

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Your still in school you got years

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That's the correct way

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U won't

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Not cuz ur bad

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But cuz no one does

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Computer just break

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It's part of life

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I once spent 3 hours trying to find error that turned out to be a single misplaced semi colon

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It's fine

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Or was it a curly brace

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I think it was a brace

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Which actually makes it dumber that it took me so long

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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that's really sad. were you just not using any tools whatsoever?

grave cove Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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rugged plank Computer just break

them goshdarned newfangled machines

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 2:58 AM

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young shoal that's really sad. were you just not using any tools whatsoever?

So it was like my first week as a dev and it was in this weird google IDE that's for like what I can only describe as " YAML but it's SQL" and I had no idea how do anything and I barely even knew sql

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I just got my ass kicked up and down the block my first few months

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That's fine. Honestly troubleshooting is a better skill to have than most anything else

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Everybody asks for help

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That's fine too

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Don't worry about that

grave cove Sep 1, 2023, 3:29 AM

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Sorry, that is not our intention to fix things for you

rugged plank Sep 1, 2023, 3:32 AM

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grave cove them goshdarned newfangled machines

Fr doh

young shoal Sep 1, 2023, 11:15 AM

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rugged plank So it was like my first week as a dev and it was in this weird google IDE that's...

oof

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 2:48 PM

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@reef geyser good news. Nedbat said he would adopt you

reef geyser Sep 1, 2023, 2:54 PM

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What

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Why

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When did he say this

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 3:15 PM

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reef geyser When did he say this

The other day ™️

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You are now Luna Batchelder

vale raven Sep 1, 2023, 3:21 PM

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#python-discussion message

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Here's Jah asking

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I don't see a response from Ned

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I think this is slander and heckery

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 3:24 PM

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vale raven I don't see a response from Ned

It was a silent approval

vale raven Sep 1, 2023, 3:30 PM

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eternal depot It was a silent approval

🤨

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 3:30 PM

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vale raven 🤨

Silence is consent

vale raven Sep 1, 2023, 3:32 PM

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eternal depot Silence is consent

alertpolice

reef geyser Sep 1, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Mildly dubious at best

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Felony worthy at worst

grave cove Sep 1, 2023, 3:39 PM

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homer_disappear

reef geyser Sep 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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I hereby denounce the previous conversation and vote to move on with something else

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all in favor say aye

jaunty wraith Sep 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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.topic

median domeBOT Sep 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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**Name one famous person you would like to have at your easter dinner.**

Suggest more topics here!

jaunty wraith Sep 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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hmmmm

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what if I don't have easter dinner

reef geyser Sep 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Then just dinner that night.

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It's dinner that so happens to be on Easter.

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But I would pick Christopher Lloyd. Love that man.

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Second pick is Tara Strong

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 3:51 PM

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reef geyser But I would pick Christopher Lloyd. Love that man.

Do your kids also like Christopher Lloyd?

reef geyser Sep 1, 2023, 3:52 PM

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I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN

eternal depot Sep 1, 2023, 3:53 PM

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reef geyser I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN

https://tenor.com/view/kmt-yeah-right-hmmm-really-gif-21502858

Tenor

solemn tulip Sep 1, 2023, 3:58 PM

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reef geyser Second pick is Tara Strong

🐴

quasi furnace Sep 1, 2023, 4:26 PM

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playing half life 1 to numb the pain

hazy pine Sep 1, 2023, 5:22 PM

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..... wow

graceful basin Sep 1, 2023, 5:46 PM

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PGP is a signing algorithm, not an encryption algorithm

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Huh, apparently it can do encryption too

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:01 PM

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@heavy minnow so this bug button, will launch your program with a debugger attached

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:01 PM

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the bug?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:01 PM

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debuggers allows you, to well, debug your program

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:01 PM

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how

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:01 PM

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heavy minnow the bug?

iirc it is literally called bug

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:02 PM

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heavy minnow how

by allowing you to stop execution, and view value of every variable

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:02 PM

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oh wow

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:02 PM

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so, you can literally see how the code is executed line by line

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VERY useful

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:02 PM

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so you can like press a button and it goes line by line?

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:03 PM

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naive igloo VERY useful

yeah seems very useful

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:03 PM

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heavy minnow so you can like press a button and it goes line by line?

well, it will execute until it finds a breakpoint

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on that point, it will break/stop execution

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and give you the control over application

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so, if you put breakpoint on the first line of code

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:03 PM

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is breakpoint a keyword?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:03 PM

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heavy minnow is breakpoint a keyword?

no

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it is this

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(red dot)

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:04 PM

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naive igloo and give you the control over application

wdym by that?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:04 PM

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heavy minnow wdym by that?

well, execute you step by step, allow changing variable values and view them

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:04 PM

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naive igloo it is this

that's probably too advanced for me

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:04 PM

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heavy minnow that's probably too advanced for me

its simple

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uh

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let me record it for you

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it sounds scary tho

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i know

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linux is also scary, until you figure it out

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:05 PM

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naive igloo it sounds scary tho

yeah it looks scary even tho it's not so big of a block

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:05 PM

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heavy minnow yeah it looks scary even tho it's not so big of a block

ah wait you mean the code in the screenshot?

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dont worry, it is not even python 💀

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:06 PM

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naive igloo linux is also scary, until you figure it out

I use mac for now and it's already been a little bit of a struggle to adapt after using windows

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:06 PM

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naive igloo dont worry, it is not even python 💀

lmao

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I'm dead

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I thought you said that code was simple

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lol

solemn tulip Sep 1, 2023, 6:07 PM

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simple rust

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:07 PM

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obviously

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not

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hehe

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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heavy minnow I use mac for now and it's already been a little bit of a struggle to adapt afte...

what

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i thought MacOS is literally the easiest OS

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to use

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anyways

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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lol

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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wait

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i gotta convert that vid to mp4

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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well maybe

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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pls wait

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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lol

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ok

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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i hate discord

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:08 PM

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same

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:09 PM

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here

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a little bit of explanation over those things

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:12 PM

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naive igloo

🤯

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:13 PM

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naive igloo

my mind went kaboom when you pressed console lol

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:14 PM

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"restart" - restart the program
"stop" - well, stop the program

first item - resume execution - resume execution of the program until it the next breakpoint
pause icon - pause execution - pause the execution of the program (emulates as if breakpoint was "hit" (reached))
line with a jumping arrow - step over - execute the selected line of code
line into the ground - step into - step into the calling function (ie if the line of code was about to call your_function, it would step into the code of that function)
line into the ground #2 - step into your code - step into the calling function (except, that function is guaranted to be yours, and not some library's fucntion)
line from the ground - step out - resume execution, until the function returned (ie you are running execution of the function, until you are "out" of the function's code)

2 red circles - list all breakpoints you have set
crossed circle - disable ("mute") all breakpoints

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:15 PM

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heavy minnow 🤯

i hope i didnt over complicate

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:15 PM

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naive igloo i hope i didnt over complicate

idk if you did, but I think I learned something hehe

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:16 PM

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another thing - the highligheted line (blue), is the line which is about to be executed

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:16 PM

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naive igloo "restart" - restart the program "stop" - well, stop the program first item - r...

so the first item resumes the execution without you having to press anything?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:16 PM

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heavy minnow so the first item resumes the execution without you having to press anything?

yep

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:16 PM

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like with the line with jumping arrow?

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ok

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:17 PM

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heavy minnow like with the line with jumping arrow?

no, wiht jumping arrow is just next line of code

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:17 PM

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naive igloo another thing - the highligheted line (blue), is the line which is *about* to be...

good to know

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:17 PM

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it basicallyt emulates what would happen if you was clicking that buttong 238459234 times per second

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ie program would not be in a pause state

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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naive igloo no, wiht jumping arrow is just next line of code

exactly ok

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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naive igloo it basicallyt emulates what would happen if you was clicking that buttong 238459...

emulate?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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heavy minnow emulate?

well

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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I mean I get it by context but you know

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lol

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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i tried to explain

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xD

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lol

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:19 PM

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lmao

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:19 PM

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it doesnt "emulate", it...

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you got it (i hope)

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:19 PM

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yeah I just wanted the difinition but I can Google it

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lol

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:19 PM

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naive igloo it basicallyt emulates what would happen if you was clicking that buttong 238459...

the blue line right?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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heavy minnow the blue line right?

maybe?

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i mean, just try debugging that program i wrote

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for yourself

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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naive igloo maybe?

lol?

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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playing around is always much better

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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heavy minnow lol?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809138949771362415.webp?size=48&name=agony&quality=lossless

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:20 PM

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lmao

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why am I having so fun while programming? lmao

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:21 PM

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heavy minnow why am I having so fun while programming? lmao

cuz you are enjoying learning new things?

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idk

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:21 PM

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naive igloo https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/809138949771362415.webp?size=48&name=agony&qua...

I think it's because of that face lol

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and the misunderstandings

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sorry for my ignorance btw

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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heavy minnow sorry for my ignorance btw

no-no

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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and thanks for your time and patience

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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you are not ignorant at all

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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heavy minnow and thanks for your time and patience

np

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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I like to learn at least

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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if i something didnt explain - you can always come back

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:22 PM

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thanks

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:23 PM

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naive igloo "restart" - restart the program "stop" - well, stop the program first item - r...

i have to look through the rest of this list and play around like you said

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interactive learning is productive learning

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:23 PM

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heavy minnow i have to look through the rest of this list and play around like you said

i mean, if you dont know what the button does - just press it

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precisely

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:23 PM

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naive igloo i mean, if you dont know what the button does - just press it

exactly, brute force

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:23 PM

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naive igloo i mean, if you dont know what the button does - just press it

(except if it is red, of course)

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:23 PM

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until the pc crashes and explodes

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:24 PM

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naive igloo (except if it is red, of course)

lmao exactly

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omg now I realize I need a daily dose of programming memes lol

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:25 PM

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heavy minnow omg now I realize I need a daily dose of programming memes lol

lol

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btw one thing - you cant place breakpoints on empty lines of code

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as breakpoints stop the execution of code

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but on empty lines of code - no code executed (and they actually dont exist, internally, so debugger literally wont be able to find non-existing (for it) line)

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:26 PM

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🤯

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oh ok

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you mean the red dot

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:27 PM

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heavy minnow you mean the red dot

yep

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:27 PM

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lol

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I was thinking of the word breakpoint (that I know nothing about)

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:28 PM

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heavy minnow I was thinking of the word breakpoint (that I know nothing about)

well, breakpoint is pretty much the red dot

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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hmm

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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it marks the "point" at which code should "break" its execution

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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maybe for another day lol

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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hense, "breakpoint"

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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hmm ok

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doesn't seems that bad

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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heavy minnow doesn't seems that bad

ik

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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but why can you write breakpoint if there's already a red dot

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:30 PM

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heavy minnow but why can you write breakpoint if there's already a red dot

breakpoint is python's builtin

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red dot is for pycharm's debugger

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:30 PM

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now I get it

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:30 PM

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i believe you can somehow integrate so that pycharm's debugger would understand breakpoint()

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:30 PM

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thanks again :)

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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but i dont know how

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and there is already an easier way

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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naive igloo i believe you can somehow integrate so that pycharm's debugger would understand ...

wait is it a function now? lmao

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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heavy minnow wait is it a function now? lmao

...

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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or method

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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iirc breakpoint is a function

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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heavy minnow or method

wait a sec

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pls

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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lmao

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ok

naive igloo Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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yea it is a function

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not a keyword

heavy minnow Sep 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I thought it was..

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yeah that