ot1-perplexing-regexing

[tropic lichen]

the best part about english is how adaptable and malleable of a language it is.
the worst part about english is how adaptable and malleable of a language it is.

[solid elbow]

oh, yaaah?

[cosmic quiver]

this isn't true...?

[jaunty wraith]

jajaja

[harsh tundra]

https://sv.pronouns.page/
My preference in Swedish is hen but when I had Swedish at uni I didn't know if it was safe to come out and explain it all... :c

[dry raft]

The longer the live the more noticeable it is :D

[tranquil iron]

in korea the wife does not adopt the husband's surname. no one would consider korea of today or yesteryear to be bastion of women's rights.

[errant ivy]

yeah??? you didn't know that. they is almost always plural (at least in my experience)

[tranquil iron]

point being, these facades of "equality/inequality" are, IMO, mostly meaningless

[solid elbow]

it'll be interesting to see if L, W, and F stick around. Maybe no, because people mostly use them ironically - but people mostly used OK ironically once upon a time, too, so... 🤷‍♂️

[tranquil iron]

what are L, W and F?

[jaunty wraith]

imagine using Oklahoma ironically

[solid elbow]

the best guess about the etymology of "OK" is that it's an acronym for "oll korrect"

[low chasm]

frfr ong

[stark prawn]

lose win fail

[errant ivy]

what is L, W, F?

[cosmic quiver]

loss, win, pay respects

[dry raft]

I still have to dredge up what people mean by them :)

[harsh tundra]

The name changing is just one thing how Europe basically treated women like possessions - first the father's, then the husband's... Some languages even have different endings for daughter-of surname and wife-of surname

[whole pebble]

Hey guys, hows it going in the dayroom?

[errant ivy]

ohh I thought you were talking about gender my bad

[cosmic quiver]

like "huge L"

[whole pebble]

everyone getting along?

[shrewd thunder]

better than ohio imo

[jaunty wraith]

o hi oh

[whole pebble]

We will bring snacks out shortly. hang in there.

[dry raft]

(that was meant to be a reply to godly, but the chat moved under my mouse press...getting too slow :D)

[shrewd thunder]

any chance for lobstah?

[errant ivy]

yeah my bad I thought we were still on gender

[solid elbow]

A zoomer would be better equipped to answer than me, but something like:
L - shitty
W - awesome
F - too bad

[jaunty wraith]

fr

[stark prawn]

F - pay respects

[tranquil iron]

um, ok

[cosmic quiver]

I really hope the its it's distinction becomes meaningless soon

[shrewd thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-respects-press-f-call-of-duty-respect-press-x-gif-22309724

This is the origin of F

[whole pebble]

yeah it's kind of like X to doubt

[cosmic quiver]

it sucks it's the wrong way around everyone hates it

[whole pebble]

[jaunty wraith]

[whole pebble]

Has anyone else noticed that the word "meme" is sort of evolving to mean "anything intended to be funny"

[solid elbow]

Too bad about that dead squadmate, eh?

[carmine apex]

l and w are from lose(r) and win(ner), and f for empathy, as has been mentioned already

[shrewd thunder]

I thought that was the original Noble 6

[jaunty wraith]

x for doubt

[solemn tulip]

I personally don't like that particular pronoun (as a word) in swedish, idk why. "They" felt more natural since it actually has historical precedence in English. Maybe I also don't talk about people enough to feel the need for many pronouns in general 😅

[jaunty wraith]

we're rewriting the alphabet

[dry raft]

A for 'orses

[whole pebble]

Like I see someone post some video clip of something funny happening. And they are like "look at this meme"

[jaunty wraith]

b for 🅱️

[stark prawn]

don't tell aboo

[shrewd thunder]

Well while we're rewriting the alphabet, can we bring back Þ

[solemn tulip]

🆎 oo

[dry raft]

Thorn and Eth ;)

[tranquil iron]

no

[harsh tundra]

Yass. Thorn is based

[shrewd thunder]

the french ruined Þ

[jaunty wraith]

🆎⭕🅾️

[jaunty wraith]

wat

[tropic lichen]

yeah, as if Þat's gonna take off.

[harsh tundra]

🆎👀

[jaunty wraith]

a👻

[errant ivy]

L - can be used either as "we took the L" where it means loss or can be used in a toxic sense like "take this L" usually in gaming which is like an imaginary object thats like a loss?? like you took the loss, or took the L, but its used more literally, like you actually took the L, so sometimes people will say "hold this L"

W - "nice w" it just means win

F - nobody uses it (or any of these, but this one especially)

[shrewd thunder]

Þey had no concept of it, so þey replaced it wiþ "th"

[solemn tulip]

I'm more surprised that the origins in old norse is plural and that english changed it

[dry raft]

One would like to ðink so

[cosmic quiver]

thorn is awful

please leave it dead

[shrewd thunder]

Also can we have something even resembling consistency with our C's, S's, and K's?

[jaunty wraith]

ðorn

[low chasm]

L - Lose, bad, etc
W - Win, good, great
F - Fail, RIP, oof

[solid elbow]

"f" is definitely used, if only ironically. And yeah, "nice w" would mean win, but someone just saying "w" means something more like... I dunno, "you win", I guess, but more figuratively "that's awesome" is pretty close

[jaunty wraith]

see also: epic, legend, ftw

[shrewd thunder]

The english language is a lot like chemistry: it is the study of exceptions to rules.

[tranquil iron]

ftw is 30 years old

[dry raft]

Then there are things like "gg" - and I wonder what horse they've seen

[jaunty wraith]

good game

[low chasm]

"the move"

[errant ivy]

yeah western world is more about the gender stuff, and with how big english is in the western world, naturally they was "normalized" to being singular, but I still see it as plural because I don't know any non-binary people

[tropic lichen]

ggs

[jaunty wraith]

ggez

[stark prawn]

bgs

[low chasm]

"bro, is that the move"

[harsh tundra]

Can I interest you in Esperanto?
One of the first constructed languages, also ruined by French because when it was being voted as international lang, French opposed it because French was international lang then... But then English got more and more traction and pushed French basically completely out

[tropic lichen]

wp

[shrewd thunder]

'sup?

[jaunty wraith]

mgs

metal gear solid

[harsh tundra]

Esperanto is spoken how it's written

And has quite easy grammar

[dry raft]

Tu parolas esperanton, Nicky?

[shrewd thunder]

ne multe kiel pri vi?

[tranquil iron]

no you can't. esperanto is a western-biased tool of oppression

[solemn tulip]

western world in the 1300s doesn't sound like a time where gender stuff was super prevalent 🥴

[tranquil iron]

if I was absolulte emperor of the world, I'd execute anyone using esperanto

[errant ivy]

I don't know you, I'm never going to refer to you specifically in a way that requires your pronouns 🤷‍♂️

[carmine apex]

rule 4! rule 4! mod aboose!

[jaunty wraith]

IIRC, Esperanto also has some icky history related to its creators

[stark prawn]

spoken how it is written? but is the relation between how something is written and spoken different between cultures

[errant ivy]

they in the 1300s was plural though

[tranquil iron]

yes, exactly

[solemn tulip]

I hate that I can actually read that

[shrewd thunder]

When one is used to privilege, any form of equality is seen as oppression.

[dry raft]

It does. There was a big split, but I don't think politics were great on either side of the split

[tranquil iron]

esperanto puts whitey first

[jaunty wraith]

it's inspired by the Romantic languages, so yeah

[shrewd thunder]

so does english.

[solemn tulip]

Used as a singular pronoun since 1300, e.g. in the 1325 Cursor Mundi.

[carmine apex]

plural they came in the 1200s, and singular they in the 1300s

[tranquil iron]

yes, but only some whiteys

[cosmic quiver]

I don't think Esperanto is "one of the first" conlangs is it

[dry raft]

It's pretty easy if you know some Latin-based languages. It does borrow from some other European languages, but it is, indeed, Euro-centric. Lojban tried to remedy that, but is even less known

[jaunty wraith]

it's one of the first popular ones at least I think

[shrewd thunder]

i believe the term you're looking for is "people who use mayonnaise as hot sauce"

[errant ivy]

hm I call bs, but it was popularized recently, so thats where my point stands

[jaunty wraith]

wat

[tranquil iron]

lol

[carmine apex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaibalan possibly from the 1300s

[harsh tundra]

At some point I knew basics but the website when I was learning got an update that broke messaging system and made the whole website basically dead (it's been years and they haven't fixed it, and the forums are now full of spam)... So I basically didn't have place to practice or any motivation to do so (i talked with random people there, just sitting with a dictionary and writing my responses...)

[shrewd thunder]

White people be like "Ooooh, I don't like mayonnaise, it's too spicy"

[errant ivy]

hot take: DONT PUT HOT SAUCE, KETCHUP, ANY SAUCE ON YOUR EGGS!!!!!!

[tranquil iron]

mayo is very popular in japan, they love it

[solid elbow]

they as a singular pronoun was used in Shakespeare.

[cosmic quiver]

I think Esperanto is kind of a bad language

[dry raft]

Duo is calling ;P

[cosmic quiver]

as like an auxiliary language

[errant ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-emotes-laugh-smile-king-gif-14309345

[stark prawn]

japanese mayo is quite nice

[errant ivy]

isn't that against rules

[solid elbow]

it's been popular for centuries.

[solemn tulip]

I think it was used for a long while, fell out of favor compared to the singular "you" and recently made a comeback

[errant ivy]

meant to send gif and message together

[shrewd thunder]

Kewpie is fantastic. Makes me glad the asian market is reopening so I don't need to drive three hours each way just to go to H-Mart

[silent onyx]

@shrewd thunder , regarding the question you asked me earlier, i wont discuss the topic because this server seems like another extreme left hive, where people start repulsing at the sight of a smidgen of nuance.

[dry raft]

Interesting...I'll have to look that one up some time. Pity the bookmarking system's broken

[tranquil iron]

but wasn't shakespeare a sexist and a supporter of imperialist monarchies?

[cosmic quiver]

yes

[harsh tundra]

What conlangs came before it? From the ones existing now, not just "oh, there was some secret lang of [some group]" and not much info beside that?

[tranquil iron]

then his usage should be opposed

[solid elbow]

I think you could scroll up and see a reasonably nuanced discussion about pronouns and gender identity, actually.

[jaunty wraith]

blame robin for that

[shrewd thunder]

I hate to tell you this, but reality itself has a strong left bias.

[carmine apex]

pity as well that fixing it got approved in january

[tranquil iron]

that sounds like something a leftist would say

[solid elbow]

he also coined a comical number of English words, and is probably more responsible for the language we speak today than almost any other individual, save maybe Noah Webster...

[shrewd thunder]

denying the real world because "but mah narrative" sure is a popular take these days

[tranquil iron]

both were, indeed great men

[silent onyx]

no only online

[errant ivy]

oh before you edited you had my grade 8 teachers exact name, the coincidence 😔

[dry raft]

I'm dominant right, but can do reasonably OK with my left. What's handedness got to do with anything?

[harsh tundra]

That's because somewhere in 18th or so century some people tried to imitate other languages and said defaulting to he is "better". So the singular they got a bit less popular, but it still existed - I've been using singular they since middle school for unknown people, way before I even knew being nonbinary is a thing

[solid elbow]

misremembered the name. 🙂

[errant ivy]

dude was the best teacher ever

[shrewd thunder]

I'm proudly ambisinistral

[tranquil iron]

left handed people are of the devil

[shrewd thunder]

Handedness aint got nothing do with it

[torpid shuttle]

which one do you lean on though?

[dry raft]

Sinister, that

[tranquil iron]

indeed. satan tempts in subtle and devious ways

[dry raft]

Lean? That depends where the wall is.

Or my partner.

[shrewd thunder]

I thought lean was a drug...

[tranquil iron]

I thought lean was a methodology

[shrewd thunder]

the kind that the zoomers like

[harsh tundra]

I have some hives but they're north, not left 🐝

[low chasm]

it's obviously a theorem prover

[stark prawn]

Someone told me earlier that I"m a demon because of pride month. 😩

[torpid shuttle]

i thought lean was my abs

[errant ivy]

speaking of lean, I need an opinion on smth

[tranquil iron]

hah, I read that as thorium

[shrewd thunder]

the only hives I have are the kind that results from bees stinging me

[tropic lichen]

every time i go to write, a little demon whispers sweet nothings into my ear, until i cave and hold my pen in my left hand

[dry raft]

I have my own, you can't steal it!

[silent onyx]

also i lean left, im just not one of those like commie/cancel everything type of leftist

[carmine apex]

Ambidextral refers to ambidextrous people who use both hands like a right-handed person's right hand. Likewise, ambisinistral refers to ambidextrous people who use both hands like a left-handed person's left hand

[solemn tulip]

so is coq

[errant ivy]

should I bulk for a lean build? (I'm skinny asf rn, but I'm very athletic so it's important I stay lean)

[tranquil iron]

that's the homunculus in your head

[solid elbow]

https://www.redbubble.com/people/artbyveya/shop?artistUserName=artbyveya&asc=u&collections=2864209

[cosmic quiver]

volapük, loglan, John Wilkins's universal language, Lingua Ignota, Francis Lodwick's universal language

[low chasm]

.>

[cosmic quiver]

actually loglan might be newer than Esperanto

[low chasm]

sure

[dry raft]

I'll have to tell that to my nephew. He'll enjoy telling people he's ambisinistral!

[solemn tulip]

a bunch of mathematicians enjoy coq regularly

[shrewd thunder]

What about Danish?

Oh wait, that's just Swedish with a throat infection.

[cosmic quiver]

what did they do to my

[errant ivy]

fr? like a 400-500 cal surplus? I'd assume not too much

[cosmic quiver]

I bet you it was scragly

[errant ivy]

like think michael jordan build

[silent onyx]

only when its super minor differences in opinion

[low chasm]

mm, I guess it depends, but that sounds about good

[solemn tulip]

something something potato in mouth

[low chasm]

but then again, I'm no fitness expert or authority

[tranquil iron]

I know a guy who has synesthesia. everyone's name has a color to him. he said he assumed everyone experienced this until he was in his teens.

[cosmic quiver]

I have something similar

it's pretty cool

[tranquil iron]

do you taste sounds?

[errant ivy]

yeah lmao, nutrition is honestly the most boring part to learn about bodybuilding, so I can't blame you

[tranquil iron]

or smell colors?

[shrewd thunder]

I have hearing-tactile synesthesia. Everything I hear is registered as some sort of texture rubbing against my skin.

[tranquil iron]

oh wow, that must be freaky weird. is it ever highly unpleasant?

or is it mostly just odd

[solemn tulip]

I've had similar things with "wait, you actually have an inner monologue going on in your head?"

[solid elbow]

it turns out that about 1 out of every 25 people is totally incapable of visualizing an image in their head, and we've only realized this shockingly recently.

[shrewd thunder]

The sound of a scrub brush on tiles is like sandpaper on my armpits.

[tranquil iron]

lol

[whole pebble]

The mind can do weird things. I remember in the second grade this girl got really upset / panicked because she believed that she had forgotten how to think.

[solid elbow]

did you ask her what made her think that?

[reef geyser]

that's just your subconscious kicking in

[tranquil iron]

a significant fraction of people do not think by talking to themselves in their head

[errant ivy]

WAIT WHAT? I can't visualize images in my head yall can?? thats a cheat code for artists wtf

[harsh tundra]

There's an artist that has that, lemme find them

[cosmic quiver]

I have one related to time and one related to spaces

[tranquil iron]

a minority, but a rather large minority

[shrewd thunder]

Ok I really do have to drive to CVS to get my driving anxiety meds. BRB. I'll try not to die.

[whole pebble]

no lol. but it must have felt real because she was freaking out.

[cosmic quiver]

I also have aphantasia

[solid elbow]

only 24 out of 25 of us can!

[stark prawn]

Reminds me of the deaf guy that learnt at age 8 that farts make noise.

[errant ivy]

damn, I thought it was normal, guess I'm part of the 4%

[solid elbow]

not just images, either. Smells and sounds, too.

[tranquil iron]

lol, that's a good one

[tropic lichen]

imagine, if you will, a rotating cube in 3D space

[carmine apex]

i take you've heard of molyneux's problem? the answer is quite disappointing

[tranquil iron]

imagine a 4D sphere

[whole pebble]

...a sphere is the easiest 4d shape to visualize lol

[reef geyser]

The issue is not imaging it, it's trying to portray the imagination meaningfully
I always have these wonderful scenes in my head, but my hand can never quite grasp what I think of

[stark prawn]

I automatically envision it standing on a corner

[shrewd thunder]

no can do, can I satisfy you with a spherical cube in a vacuum?

[stark prawn]

My hand can't even write legibly.

[solid elbow]

no, actually - I'll have to check it out

[errant ivy]

I'm sorry what?? so you can just like.. listen to music in your head? that seems so nice. and you can just smell a freshly baked cookie at any moment, that sounds awesome tbh

[reef geyser]

imagine, if you will
a singular bean

[tranquil iron]

that's mostly just practice

[vale raven]

I won’t

[reef geyser]

damn

[whole pebble]

im locked onto a single imaginary bean, now what

[tranquil iron]

when I was a kid, we'd spend hours and hours in school praticing writing

[carmine apex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molyneux's_problem

If a man born blind can feel the differences between shapes such as spheres and cubes, could he, if given the ability to see, distinguish those objects by sight alone, in reference to the tactile schemata he already possessed?
the answer is ||no||

[shrewd thunder]

I think in pictures, so this is always a fun discussion.

[harsh tundra]

https://instagram.com/arthurbutusdesigns the artist who has the same type of synesthesia and does mandala art of the names and other words :3

[tropic lichen]

interesting, i'll have to remember that one for next time i do my regular cube imagining

[tranquil iron]

that's very interesting... hmm... food for thought

[solemn tulip]

I can't have any clear images in my head, but I can still imagine stuff like rotating a cube in 3d despite that, it's...weird

[reef geyser]

thoughts always get food, but never water

[solid elbow]

only if it's music that I know very well, but yeah - I can close my eyes and recall something like the star wars imperial march or the bridal march or something, and it sounds like music playing.

[errant ivy]

ive never even thought about that, but its raising questions now

[tranquil iron]

so who here dreams in the 3rd person? most people dream in the 1st person but a large minority do not.

[shrewd thunder]

my visualization ability is basically AR built in to my head

[errant ivy]

damn

[tranquil iron]

I for one, almost always dream in the 3rd person

[shrewd thunder]

I dream in 2nd person. Yes that is a thing.

[carmine apex]

maybe they consume CS fluid? ||(computer science fluid, not cerebrospinal)||

[reef geyser]

dreaming in the second person is a goal I want to pursue

[whole pebble]

Yeah but at the same time it's not the same "sound" you experience when you have something like an headphone over your ear.

[solemn tulip]

what's a significant fraction? from what I remember we're in the minority

[tropic lichen]

we?

[errant ivy]

I don't get dreams. does that correlate with not being able to visualize things in my head?

[tranquil iron]

like 1/4th maybe?

[tranquil iron]

everyone dreams

[stark prawn]

I can have pretty elaborate daydreams, but don't dream in my sleep.

[solemn tulip]

inclusive we

[tranquil iron]

even dogs dream

[solemn tulip]

I don't really have internal monologue

[errant ivy]

not me, unless maybe I just don't remember them?

[vale raven]

[solid elbow]

yep. But it turns out that a lot of people, when told to, I don't know, "picture yourself on a beach", think that's just a figure of speech, and didn't realize that most people can actually conjure up a picture of a beach in their heads, and most of us can even hear the waves and smell the salt

[tranquil iron]

I'm pretty sure you'd have severe neurological damage if you didn't dream

[low chasm]

haha, most of what I know is what I've gleaned off of a few of my gym-nut friends >.> you'd probably want to be eating in a calorie surplus, lots of protein, and keeping up with regularly working out.

[tranquil iron]

yes, most likely. being unable to remember dreams even 30 seconds after waking is very common

[reef geyser]

I wasn't thinking cerebrospinal fluid, but now that you specifically mentioned that, I'm concerned

[tropic lichen]

keeping a dream journal is meant to help with remembering dreams iirc

[harsh tundra]

It's common not to remember dreams, it depends on which sleep phase you wake up from and whether you remind yourself of the dream (they're fast forgotten, so writing it down is common to learn to remember more and more)

[whole pebble]

Yeah, I can do that, but just like "generating sound" in your head. it's not the same as actually seeing something with your eyes.

[tranquil iron]

you ever do that? does it actually work?

[errant ivy]

yeah I'm aware of the basics of bulking and cutting, lots of protien, rest, etc. thanks though man

[carmine apex]

the only other CS i can think of is counterstrike, and i'm not sure i wanna know what counterstrike fluid is

[tranquil iron]

Beethoven could imagine sounds in great detail

[low chasm]

yeah I barely remember my dreams

[tranquil iron]

or so I hear

[stark prawn]

How do you keep a dream journal if you have no memory of a dream even immediatly after waking up.

[tropic lichen]

i've done it by proxy, telling my partner my dream immediately after waking, if that counts - i have a fairly good memory of dreams in the first place

[reef geyser]

just actual blood

[solid elbow]

sure, it's different - less intense, at least. But still, we didn't realize until very recently that a surprisingly large number of people can't do it at all.

[tranquil iron]

you will remember immediately after you wake up

[stark prawn]

I don't even have good memories of real life events 😔

[torpid shuttle]

i can't physically burp, not sure how rare that is

[tranquil iron]

but for some reason memory of dreams fade rapidly. I guess they just don't go into long term memory storage

[errant ivy]

that got me thinking, can people born deaf speak in their head

[whole pebble]

Yeah, I think a part of it is that some people, having read these types of conversations end up thinking that it's like an actual hallucination.

[tranquil iron]

yes, quite easily

[whole pebble]

so then they think that maybe they can't do it, when in reality they can.

at least some people must do this.

[errant ivy]

I meant to say speak in their head, I don't know how I messed it up that badly, I was just thinking about how they'd learn and reading came to me

[harsh tundra]

Wow, i got first hate dm this month and it wasn't even related to my pronouns and pride but to my pfp XD

[solid elbow]

perhaps, but - well, @errant ivy and @cosmic quiver both seem fairly convinced that they cannot call an image to mind at all.

[tranquil iron]

you think that's confusing... people who are deaf and blind have been taught to read braile and sign lanuguages (via touch)

[cosmic quiver]

ye

[whole pebble]

yeah it's just an interesting area.

[harsh tundra]

(already reported, fyi)

[tranquil iron]

cue hellen keller

[cosmic quiver]

I thought it was normal until my mom started arguing about it when I was like 18

[tulip falcon]

Well it's rarer to have vivid imagination of smells and tastes

[tranquil iron]

the facility to learn language seems hard wired in humans

[solemn tulip]

apparently my mind is missing out 😔

[cosmic quiver]

I thought "seeing things in your mind" was just a you know canned phrase

yeah you see with your eyes and you think with your head

[whole pebble]

What can you do with things in your mind?

[tranquil iron]

must have been... eye opening ;-P

[carmine apex]

i suppose that's some form of progress? idk

[cosmic quiver]

it's really strange to me that people can "see" things in their mind

[stark prawn]

not really

[carmine apex]

also, @harsh tundra : 🫂

[cosmic quiver]

the closest I get are dreams

[low chasm]

I can daydream with images

[solid elbow]

yeah, most people have a pretty wide spectrum of "vividness" of different sensations. For images, some people can only picture 2d, some can only picture greyscale, etc. Some can picture 3d, but can't picture it moving, or interactions between objects in the scene.

[tranquil iron]

it's no stranger than talking to yourself in your head

[torpid shuttle]

ever been forced to do guided meditation with a group, where they have like the tapes giving you a vivid description of something expecting you to visualise it?

[cosmic quiver]

I don't talk to myself in my head unless on command

[stark prawn]

I have theatrical adventures inside my head when doing nothing else.

[cosmic quiver]

and I don't hear a voice when I read unless I want to

[tranquil iron]

yes, but you can. some people can't

[cosmic quiver]

but then I make it whatever voice I want line idk Morgan Freeman

[harsh tundra]

Also just learned to report to discord when I still share a server with them. But I got the message, reported to ModMail, then came here, and when I came back they were already banned and reporting to discord showed error

[whole pebble]

interesting

this sounds normal to me

[cosmic quiver]

yeah

[tranquil iron]

I don't mean by imagining sounds. they don't think using words in their head

[cosmic quiver]

depends on what that means

[whole pebble]

I don't "think in my head" unless it's "on command" It's always intentional. And I can change the voice.

[tranquil iron]

I literally cannot imagine how that's possible

[solid elbow]

but if I want to, I can read things in, like, David Attenborough's voice in my head

[whole pebble]

I am able to "see" things in my mind though

[tranquil iron]

so that's what your control chip sounds like to you, huh?

[cosmic quiver]

yeah that's pretty much it, I don't have a 'passive' voice I can't turn off though, some people do

[tranquil iron]

interesting

[wraith hound]

aphantasia is quite a thing to realize

[stark prawn]

Stephen fry for me

[cosmic quiver]

I don't really see images or words in my head it's like a strange web of associations

[opaque arch]

I have a passive voice in my head I can't turn off

[tulip falcon]

Who has aphantasia and who has hyperphantasia here?

[stark prawn]

Being both gay and bipolar he's quite the role model to me as well.

[wraith hound]

actually, it might have been godly who told me about it and made me realize "hey, that's me!"

[tranquil iron]

well, as long as it works for ya, that's what matters

[cosmic quiver]

it's also why I have a really hard time writing my thoughts down

[solid elbow]

I think I can call sounds to mind more easily than images

[cosmic quiver]

because text is one dimensional

[stark prawn]

how is text one dimensional

[cosmic quiver]

it only goes forwards and backwards

[solid elbow]

quite possibly. It's one of my favorite weird brain topics 😄

[tranquil iron]

me too. but my family has always been more musically inclined

[cosmic quiver]

you can jump back to a specific point in text but otherwise you always advance

[stark prawn]

That's not true, there can be layers to text. You should learn about that in english class.

[reef geyser]

Sometimes I just read things in Vegeta's voice for gits and shiggles

Actually, most characters from the series end up narrating things for me.

[harsh tundra]

Sound is easier for me as well, images are blurry kinda. Unless I recall some kind of memory and it gets vivid but I don't really control it (not fun for trauma flashbacks)

[solemn tulip]

nature or nurture? who knows

[tulip falcon]

Its not text though its a thought?

[cosmic quiver]

not sure what you mean

[tranquil iron]

nature just gives us potential, it's up to use to leverage it and turn it into something useful

[wraith hound]

it was even weirder to realize that i don't have an inner monologue though

[stark prawn]

Have you never had to analyse a piece of literature for school?

[cosmic quiver]

yes but the medium is still 1d

[reef geyser]

It's nice to know my inner monologue voice does not match the outer at all though

[tranquil iron]

it's always been odd to me that western humanist thought and ideas innate "talent" are in such opposition

[solid elbow]

yeah, I don't think mine does, either, except maybe in cadence

[tranquil iron]

the culture I grew up in never accepts "I'm just not good at/talented at X" as an excuse for anything

[tulip falcon]

I think my inner voice is me

[reef geyser]

Mine sounds female rather than sounding male, haha

I wonder why

[tranquil iron]

you know why

[solemn tulip]

that sounds even weirder to me 🥴

[solid elbow]

ooh, that's interesting

[reef geyser]

I do know why

[tranquil iron]

my inner voice has no sound

[solid elbow]

does your inner monologue have a "sound" at all?

[tranquil iron]

not me

[tulip falcon]

I mean I think my inner voice sounds like me

[low chasm]

I talk with myself a lot

out loud too, at times

[solid elbow]

maybe we're all just running different firmware versions

[low chasm]

or well, not out loud

[stark prawn]

Isn't that just called thinking?

[low chasm]

but I do mouth the words

[reef geyser]

It doesn't? Having my actual voice just narrate things internally isn't fun at all.

[tranquil iron]

the words of my inner thoughts are pure concepts untarnished by the pollution of the real world

[tulip falcon]

But you live in the world so it's biases

[reef geyser]

meanwhile, in Luna's mind:

I desire a bagel

[tranquil iron]

or maybe that's exactly what I want you to think?

[reef geyser]

I actually do want a bagel

[solemn tulip]

I don't have any persistent inner monologue, I can force myself to imagine speech though, pronouncing things in my head and the like

[stark prawn]

I often have to fight against my inner words because they try to drag me down.

[tranquil iron]

an everything bagel?

[tropic lichen]

LGTB (luna, get that bagel!)

[reef geyser]

any variety of bagel

I just want bag-el

[tropic lichen]

wait, hold on

[stark prawn]

let's get this bagel.

[reef geyser]

🥯

[tranquil iron]

holds on

[tropic lichen]

hold off on the holding on, i'm withholding.

[tranquil iron]

dammit, now I'm hungry

[reef geyser]

I bet you also bounce checks

[solemn tulip]

is this a good time to bring up the fact that the brain is really two independent halves cooperating?

[reef geyser]

anyway

[tranquil iron]

I gotta lose weight, man

[reef geyser]

no, it's a wonderful time frumpy

[tulip falcon]

holds indefinitely awaiting bjokey task to return

[tranquil iron]

taoism teaches that all is duality

[reef geyser]

frumpy is a wonderful nickname

[solemn tulip]

and if you cut the connection between the halves weird things happen

[tranquil iron]

that's because the left cannot exist without the right. just as the day cannot exist without the night and good cannot exist without evil.

[tropic lichen]

i'm yielding:
is "lets get this bread" meant to be a similar acronym to LGBT, or is that just a coincidence??

[reef geyser]

the left and right can exist independently

[stark prawn]

The left brain half can exist without the right though.

[reef geyser]

it's just... very jarring

[solemn tulip]

like, one halve can see an object, you can't say what it is, but you could draw it

[tranquil iron]

tell it to lao tse

[reef geyser]

I would, but he's been dead for a while

[tropic lichen]

excuses, excuses

[reef geyser]

bruh

I would square up against any historical figure in debate

[tranquil iron]

lao tse's spirit lives on in pooh

[jaunty wraith]

[reef geyser]

mama ain't raise no bitch

[solid elbow]

ooh, here's a fun one: some people who have a stroke and wind up with aphasia can train themselves to speak again by imagining a tune to the words they're trying to convey, and singing them instead of saying them

[tranquil iron]

why are you holding a knife?

[jaunty wraith]

mama mia

[solid elbow]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982746/

[reef geyser]

because a knife duel is cooler than fisticuffs, anyway

[tranquil iron]

the brain is a funny thing

[reef geyser]

that's very interesting
the brain really is a marvel of bioengineering

[solemn tulip]

interesting watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo

[cosmic quiver]

the brain isn't really two independent halves

[reef geyser]

I see why people just removed bits and pieces to see what happened

barbaric, but interesting

[solemn tulip]

watch the video, it's...quite interesting

[stark prawn]

I wonder how they discovered that ect works, seeing that they still don't know why it works.

[tropic lichen]

aphasias are just so strange in general, i know its obvious, but its still kinda crazy how there are just entire areas dedicated to encoding/decoding language, of all forms

[stark prawn]

One day someone just went up and lets shock this person and see if they get better.

[cosmic quiver]

I'm a psych student

[reef geyser]

no damn clue
I guess someone was like:
"neurons have electric potentials? I can do that with a diesel generator!"

and then proceeded to wire someone to the grid

[tranquil iron]

we experiment on monkeys

[solemn tulip]

does psychology usually study people with split brain surgery?

[reef geyser]

the monkeys need a payraise

[tranquil iron]

we can do that

[cosmic quiver]

yeah, neuroscience

what other field would do it lol

[stark prawn]

Elon got permission to start human testing 😩

[tranquil iron]

espionage?

[solemn tulip]

wdym by independent then?

you can have one half sense something, and it can't communicate to the other half what it sensed

in the case of split brain surgery

[tropic lichen]

can't wait til elon figures out how to unlock human emotions behind a paywall

[stark prawn]

I would like to lock my depression behind a paywall please.

[solemn tulip]

no no, you pay to lock it away

[tranquil iron]

that's what booze and blow is for

[stark prawn]

I don't advocate for selfmedicating.

[cosmic quiver]

there's still continuity in e.g. your personality and one half of the brain can still override the other

it's hard to say anything about it conclusively because splitting the corpus callosum is kind of unethical by modern standards

[stark prawn]

as far as i understand brains are based on reinforcement learning systems from ml.

[cosmic quiver]

so we kind of only have babies who were born with a misbehaving one to go by

[stark prawn]

only kind of unethical?

[cosmic quiver]

a normal functioning brain operates as one functional unit and no task is fully lateralized

[tranquil iron]

depends

[solemn tulip]

nice improper hierarchy 😛

[whole pebble]

It was nice of ML to be there as a model while the brain was developing

[tranquil iron]

after all, morality is relative

[solemn tulip]

nowadays yes, but we do have a bunch of stuff from when it was an accepted treatment

[tranquil iron]

from back when ethics were more ... flexible?

[whole pebble]

They are still flexible, you just have to be the government. They are actively developing "WarGPT"

[cosmic quiver]

yeah but even those results were kind of mixed at best, they're really only case studies

practically nothing was consistently replicable

[tranquil iron]

by WarGPT, you mean skynet, right?

[solemn tulip]

I mean, it was effective in treating some of these seizure problems

[tranquil iron]

what should i have for dinner?

I'm considering kfc... korean fried chicken

[stark prawn]

brain

[tulip falcon]

I was going to say chicken

[solemn tulip]

two bodies, one brain

[tranquil iron]

why is wood so expensive? it literally grows on trees

[whole pebble]

Not really. They are basically just taking the same fundamental architecture, a "what comes next" model. And training it on years of global sensor and intelligence information.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41771/the-pentagon-is-experimenting-with-using-artificial-intelligence-to-see-days-in-advance

Fun facts:

1. OpenAI runs in aws
2. aws has classified regions for critical dod workloads
3. GPT is currently the cutting edge "what comes next" model

pretty cool project

[tranquil iron]

I thought OpenAI ran on Azure Cloud

[whole pebble]

nah, MS is just a big investor

MS themselves uses aws for some stuff also, but they don't like talking about it. OpenAI is a different "entity" than ms though

[solemn tulip]

*sad gcp noises*

[carmine apex]

isn't this what WOPR was supposed to do?

[tranquil iron]

I really really dislike GCP

[stark prawn]

running that in the cloud sounds like a massive waste of money

[tulip falcon]

They put soooo much money in openAI. Lately they tried to regulate Ai and say u need a license to make an AI? Sounds unfair

[whole pebble]

WOPR would be way closer to "skynet" than GIDE

[tranquil iron]

the world is unfair

[solemn tulip]

in what sense?

cloud is just a silly name for servers

[whole pebble]

WOPR is described as a "battle management system" it would take a more active role.

[stark prawn]

managed servers or vms seem like they would be cheaper in this instance.

[warped sentinel]

going the route of your own datacenter is quite complex and expensive too nowadays

[stark prawn]

Maybe I've just read to many blogposts from big companies moving away from cloud to save a lot of money.

[warped sentinel]

especially with hw that goes out of date so quickly, if you want elastic load, and if you start looking at carbon neutral efforts

[whole pebble]

are you talking about the wargames movie?

Now WOPR is "Weapons Engagement Optimizer" and it's a real AI project lol. I thought you were talking about that

[solemn tulip]

to be fair, it's not like google uses it internally either

[tranquil iron]

cloud is great when you have a spikey or seasonally varying workloads. it's not so great for constant and steady loads.

[whole pebble]

the dod really likes backronyms

[tranquil iron]

one company I worked for used cloud workers for tasks... our workload averaged maybe 5 cpu's... but could spike to 1000's of cpu's in minutes... and then back to 5

[stark prawn]

Amazon Prime Video cut costs by 90%

[tranquil iron]

doing that with your own boxes is a non-starter

[tranquil iron]

well, they'd have rather steady workloads

[solemn tulip]

big companies can usually afford doing their own servers

but it's a lot of work

[whole pebble]

Yeah it's nice being able to scale up to "small supercomputer" levels for a short time and having it cost barely nothing compared to the literal millions of dollars in cutting edge hardware you were using.

[tranquil iron]

I worked at a large hotel corp for a while. we had our own data centers with thousands of servers. probably overkill, but still.

[carmine apex]

TIL.
WOPR from wargames is a computer that attempts to predict soviet and us behavior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsycWRQrc8

[late orchid]

because their workflow had too much overhead

[tranquil iron]

I do agree though that too many people "go cloud" just to be hip and it's not really cost effective for them.

[solemn tulip]

in a C++ chat I saw questions about why some byte size types were 128 bit, turns out that 64 bits of addressable storage is a limit that can actually be hit

[tranquil iron]

all those little $50 here, $200 there fees add up

[late orchid]

iirc they didn't cut cost by moving out of the cloud, they did it by reducing the number of uncesseary intermediary steps in their processes

[stark prawn]

They went from cloud and microservices to monolithic and managed servers

[tranquil iron]

that makes more sense. cloud is expensive but 10x? that seems unlikely

[whole pebble]

Yeah they just do a lift and shift, and of course it ends up being way more expensive. If you want to "go cloud" you really have to do it.

[late orchid]

found a diagram of their architecture: https://twitter.com/alexxubyte/status/1655601921322012673

Alex Xu (@alexxubyte)

/1 Why did Amazon Prime Video monitoring move 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐜? How can it save 90% cost?

The diagram below shows the architecture comparison before and after the migration.

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[solemn tulip]

I manage my own personal server 😎
||an old chromebook running an http server||

[whole pebble]

Yeah that was a system that probably never should have been serverless from the start due to the known extreme steady load.

[reef geyser]

yooo I would do that lmao

[tranquil iron]

have never touched a chromebook. and god willing, I never will

[reef geyser]

ah, it's not... the worst thing

[solemn tulip]

it's a server, I don't need to touch it 😛

[jaunty wraith]

were you looking for this emoji instead

[whole pebble]

when you get into these kinds of extremes it's better to have a custom system. because the serverless charges will be steep from processing millions of events per minute 24/7/365

[reef geyser]

ssh into the chromebook, they said

[solemn tulip]

I tried using a chromebook for work, turns out I'm way too used to a nice linux environment

I switched very quickly

[solemn tulip]

Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1007U @ 1.50GHz

2GB of ram

177MB used

the beastiest of servers

and holds the importantest of things

https://algmyr.se/vim/

I guess I used it to collab on my master thesis, so it does hold a special place in my heart 🥲

multiplayer vim in tmux while editing a thesis was fun

[lament cairn]

i used to have an old loud pc with an intel pentium e5400 and 2gb of ddr2 ram as a server. my current server is now... a phone.

[whole pebble]

It's an absolute nightmare to manage. but developing / deploying things in k8s is really nice. So much control.

[simple trail]

what

is.

[dapper shell]

i should have said, "if you want to."

[simple trail]

i love Uganda

[dapper shell]

that's cool.

[simple trail]

is the guy in ur pfp u?

[dapper shell]

yes, my profile says it is.

[simple trail]

blud ur a grandpa what u doing on discord

[dapper shell]

there are people of all ages on discord. we are welcoming to all kinds of people

[brazen raft]

that feels so nice ☺️

[simple trail]

hmm

[dapper shell]

is that "yes" or, "i have to think about that"?

[simple trail]

i have to think about that

[dapper shell]

what is there to think about?

[dapper shell]

is there something i can help explain?

[solid elbow]

!ban 895581887593078804 It seems like you're only here to insult people and instigate fights.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @simple trail permanently.

[tulip falcon]

Another tate person bites da dust

[jovial spruce]

im just .. gonna delete this

[frozen crane]

I can't imagine why anyone would look at Andrew Tate and think "Him. He's the one I wanna be like."

[robust zephyr]

truly a mystery for the ages

[solid elbow]

bro, he's super awesome, just ask him

whatever you do, don't ask the authorities, though

[frozen crane]

he looks like someone drew a stupid face on their thumb

[young shoal]

you wouldn't get it

[tulip falcon]

I saw this video , this kid was like "I will not be punished I am the alpha male" in class

[young shoal]

you're not a hustler

[robust zephyr]

did you mean: "human trafficker" ?

[tulip falcon]

He has an L chest but bench 275 wuts up with that, need them incline bench press

[frozen crane]

what is "L chest"?

[tulip falcon]

Its a loss , his chest is only defined in his lower pec

He coping all the time

[frozen crane]

ah I get that. I was having that problem until recently

[solid elbow]

https://www.tiktok.com/@itsmowpod/video/7210462871002697002

[tulip falcon]

I'd love to be able to do some incline chest press 😭

[robust zephyr]

what's stopping you?

[tulip falcon]

Pain for no discernable reason almost

[frozen crane]

I have a problem with the nerves that run through my arms, and that makes a lot of lifts difficult

[tulip falcon]

I'm fucked up like a used car when they tell you "it's all good"

[robust zephyr]

i have a problem where i am 6'6" so my arms are super long and bench is my hardest lift

i'm pretty good at deadlifts though!

[tulip falcon]

Take it easy in there peeps

[young shoal]

never buy hotels

[tulip falcon]

? I am taking notes

[tropic lichen]

c'mon, this isn't really appropriate for this server :/

[rare wing]

What is love

Bavy dont hurt me

[mossy flare]

@ebon nest https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/how-many-people-lgbt/

Its a lot more complicated as "how many identify as what"

And it also doesnt matter what the exact number is

[lusty phoenix]

Never disrespect Allah again subhanallah

[thick ore]

well that's too fucking bad

whyyyyy

[warm girder]

Yes, tell the people to never disrespect allah, for he is gay allah, the one true allah, and his words are commands to us to be gay in all the things that we do

[opaque arch]

"if someone walked up to me and told me to slap my mom for 15 million dollars I'd slap my mom but I wouldn't take the 15 million dollars because to be honest that experience is invaluable on my job resume"

[golden walrus]

I have the feeling people are gonna abuse the recently expanded markdown support on Discord to be disruptive

but now there's lists and nested lists

with both enumerated and non enumerated items

[worldly ice]

I don't like how it renders in help post previews

because it overlaps other text

[rough sapphire]

seems like unecessary provocation

[late orchid]

tbf so far it hasn't been as bad as I expected, and people didn't really use bold to be disruptive before so maybe headers will not be abused that much either
(and if they do, ez ban)

[grave cove]

This otn is making my head hurt

[karmic gust]

!otn s otn

[royal lake]

Query results

• ella-is-an-otn-now
• griff-cant-otn-a
• helpers-cant-otn-a
• it’s-not-an-otn-it’s-a-lounge-name
• jake-doesn’t-need-more-otn’s
• latke-didnt-get-his-otn
• long-otns-tend-to-be-more-engaging-in-my-totally-unqualified-opinion
• luna-gets-otn’d-again
• objects-doesn’t-get-an-otn
• oddly-specific-otn
• running-out-of-otns
• this-is-a-crunchy-otn
• too-long-to-be-an-otn

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[heavy pawn]

buy new head in amazon

[foggy jungle]

[vapid horizon]

jello there

[dapper shell]

it's not an illness. We support marginalized groups.

[robust zephyr]

i hope you find the attention you are desperately seeking (but find it elsewhere)

[honest star]

@arctic oasis This will be my only warning that we expect you to be respectful. If you cannot, you will be removed from this server.

[arctic oasis]

Ok

But python has nothing to do with pride

[dapper shell]

python people have a lot to do with pride. This server is a place for people.

[arctic oasis]

Ok

Just one question

I get it that lgbt are proud of themselves as everyone should be

But why to advertise it

Should we start celebrating a straight pride month

[dapper shell]

we like to show support. We like people to be public about who they are. It isn't something to hide.

[robust zephyr]

you can celebrate whatever you like on your own server. we also celebrate more than just pride here

[dapper shell]

the reason to be very visible about it is because there are strong forces in this world that would like to deny their existence. We like to say, "we are here, and we deserve to be here"

[honest star]

The LGBTQ+ community has faced a lot of hardship, so we want to explicitly show support. Straight people have not really faced that kind of hardship because they're straight, so awareness and celebration doesn't really make sense.

But we also celebrate a lot of other things on this server. Pride is just one of them.

[dapper shell]

why is it a problem to be visible about it?

[karmic gust]

For historical reasons, lgbtq pride is not equivalent to straight pride, e.g. no one joins a community and asserts that being straight is an illness

[arctic oasis]

Well yk i really didnt hate pride until I visited London last year and the whole road was blocked by lgbt people they were spraying on shops and all that

[dapper shell]

i'm sure there have been regrettable incidents. Don't throw out all of Pride because of one incident.

[karmic gust]

you're describing a parade?

[arctic oasis]

Yeah

The last year 1st july parade

[karmic gust]

you're aware that the lgbtq community didn't invent parades?

[dapper shell]

some people did bad things during a pride parade. That's why you call it an illness? That's a real jump.

[honest star]

Fans of sports team have done bad things after a victory, I wouldn't call being a sports fan an illness

[arctic oasis]

Tbh I don’t support the abstract idea of pride . But I don’t hate em until they have start causing trouble

Which they have recently

[dapper shell]

you are labelling a huge group of people by the behavior of a small handfull.

[dapper shell]

i'm sure there are supporters of causes you care about who have misbehaved.

[arctic oasis]

Most of who have been arrested .However if we dare to arrest any lgbt activist the whole left will come swarming on the government

[dapper shell]

again, you are making huge generalizations. You started by calling them ill. I think you are pre-disposed to be against pride, tbh.

I am part of the left. I will not swarm on the government if lgbt people are punished for damaging property.

[arctic oasis]

As I said I don’t support the abstract idea of pride . It is a propaganda to make the world feminine according to me

[dapper shell]

you are misunderstanding Pride. I support pride. I am not feminine.

Pride is about letting people be the way they want to be. No one is trying to convert anyone or "make people feminine"

[arctic oasis]

Ok

I respect your opinion

[dapper shell]

thanks. I hope you can understand Pride as a way for people to be free, and to express themselves.

[tranquil iron]

I was taught that you should repress your feelings

[dapper shell]

there is now help for that!

[tranquil iron]

I was also taught that seeking help was a sign of weakness

[dapper shell]

when you get there, they can help you with that too.

[robust zephyr]

well i don't think you have to be a therapist to realize neither of those things is true

[tranquil iron]

but it is true I was taught that

don't oppress me

[dapper shell]

(I suspect rmah isn't being entirely serious)

(if at all)

[tranquil iron]

perhaps not entirely, but mostly

[robust zephyr]

well it's not a good joke because until now i believed they were actually like that

[dapper shell]

humor is difficult in a text-only medium. emoji help.

[robust zephyr]

you are not wrong, but a key element in jokes is surprise

[tranquil iron]

I apologize for my failure at humor

[heavy pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/735475754913234995.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[heavy pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790126964832600074/1098959300522672278/d29a5287ef21c516ac45f3528dc6d7dd_001.mp4

[vapid horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-iSJvX_wGQ

[rough sapphire]

hey can someone send me a malicious link, i want to try tria.ge

[grave cove]

google.com

[rough sapphire]

XD

[vapid horizon]

https://delgets.com

[foggy jungle]

Please don't send malware to each other.

[vapid horizon]

he asked for it tho

[rough sapphire]

send only dm not chat, i dont want kids to download shit

[mystic drift]

🥴

[rough sapphire]

its for learning purpose

[grave cove]

why yes i am something of an advanced programmer myself

[mystic drift]

I'll just do Ubuntu

[grave cove]

based

actually no canonical 👎

[mystic drift]

[vapid horizon]

the only thing that my WSL2 supports is ubuntu

[foggy jungle]

Mint

[mystic drift]

why

[vapid horizon]

CENTOS

[jaunty wraith]

fedora

[foggy jungle]

There are plenty of resources that don't involve potentilly sending malicious files to each other.

[rough sapphire]

here you go, time to test

[mystic drift]

KP do you actually use mint

[grave cove]

he probably does

what a nerd

[mystic drift]

🤓

[grave cove]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

[foggy jungle]

Remnux is Remnux, Kali is Kali, REMint is Mint, and Ubuntu is... Ubuntu.

[rough sapphire]

hmm ok

[grave cove]

ubuntu is debian

[mystic drift]

hmmm ubuntu is made out of ubuntu

[grave cove]

so is kali i think

[vapid horizon]

ubuntu is made out of debian

[mystic drift]

I'll start out with Ubuntu

[foggy jungle]

Kali is indeed Debian based.

[mystic drift]

Because I'm kinda familiar with it

[vapid horizon]

which os do u use

[mystic drift]

Arch

[grave cove]

why are you going backwards

[mystic drift]

Although I'm considering hard resetting it

[vapid horizon]

arch linux as ur base os for ur computer?

[mystic drift]

And go bare metal again

[grave cove]

i have been daily driving arch for quite a while now

not bad at all

[mystic drift]

It's as good as you want it to be

[grave cove]

except for the fact that i need to dedicate a few hours per week to fixing broken shit

[mystic drift]

I should update mine actually

ty for the reminder

[grave cove]

nuking your install?

classic

[foggy jungle]

If you're Robin, a few hours is actually a few days.

[grave cove]

it might be time for another nukeage here as well

[mystic drift]

400 MB update

[grave cove]

hey i am very proficient at fixing arch's brokenness

[vapid horizon]

I have faced 502 BSOD over the course of four months

[grave cove]

windows moment

[mystic drift]

I actually want to nuke my install

[vapid horizon]

on my Windows Insider laptop

[mystic drift]

And just

[grave cove]

me when kernel panic

[mystic drift]

Actually, I should do that

You know what

[grave cove]

you should

[vapid horizon]

Windows Insider 😭 😭 😭 😭

[grave cove]

too much bloat

[mystic drift]

I'm nuking this and wiping it clean

[grave cove]

based

[mystic drift]

What's the easiest way to do it

brb

[vapid horizon]

destroy ur pc

[grave cove]

arch installer probably

[mystic drift]

I don't have the stick anymore 😔

[vapid horizon]

cheap usb sticks here: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/usb-flash-drives/sandisk-ultra-dual-drive-luxe-usb-3-1-type-c#SDDDC4-128G-G46

[mystic drift]

Actually

Does the GRUB come with the funky installation thingy?

[vapid horizon]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide

https://archlinux.org/packages/

https://archlinux.org/download/

[mystic drift]

I'm not looking to reinstall it from ground up

[vapid horizon]

pacman -Syu

[mystic drift]

Will still leave residual stuff

[vapid horizon]

just open whatever file explorer u use and delete that residual stuff

my question

[mystic drift]

On an unrelated note

[vapid horizon]

why dont u use windows

[mystic drift]

Firefox supremacy

[vapid horizon]

Brave supremacy

[mystic drift]

I don't use Windows because of how some software doesn't work well with it for whatever reason

And I prefer to have Linux as my workspace

[mystic drift]

That's... not how it works.

[red pilot]

using any non blink browser is self sabotage

[quiet kraken]

I'm going to a wedding today. This is my tie: https://www.menswearhouse.com/p/calvin-klein-narrow-tie-navy-8YED8YGP01

Asking for your feedback on what kind of knot I should tie. Should I tie a Eldredge, a Trinity, or a Balthus?

References:
https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/eldredge
https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/trinity
https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/balthus

[graceful basin]

Unless you are the groom, I would go with the third or just a traditional windsor. You don't want to look flashy at a wedding generally.

[lusty phoenix]

Fatherless?

[quiet kraken]

You are 100% correct of course. I'm not in the wedding party. My thinking was, because it's a very dark and subdued tie, a nifty knot would just add flavor to what I'm wearing but would not draw attention because you'd have to look closely, tbh.

At a wedding I attended a year ago I had to point out to a couple folks "hey, what do you think of my knot" before they noticed. 😄

(I only mentioned it to like, two people, heh.)

[graceful basin]

hmm, fair enough, IG people won't really be looking at you in detail. Of the more interesting ones, I would definitely go with trinity. I have found eldredge on dark ties (though I can't access that website) isn't all that interesting looking since the details aren't super visible from further away.

[quiet kraken]

Man, I found the right person! I used the Trinity myself last year. It's quite nifty.

Yeah, Eldridge on a slik non-pattern tie probably would be best.

[quiet kraken]

Would you have another knot suggestion I haven't considered?

[graceful basin]

I remember running across a knot with a coin in the centre, but that's definitely too tacky for a wedding. There is a rose-looking one a friend came up with, I'll try to recreate it, but it's been a while.

[quiet kraken]

Man, I need a much longer tie for the Eldridge lol

Hmm, Fishbone looks pretty cool

[distant hazel]

didn't know there were snazzy knots like this

very sexy

[jaunty wraith]

nerd factor

[grave cove]

which one has the highest nerd factor

[jaunty wraith]

you

[grave cove]

heck u

[distant hazel]

the van wijk looks like you're tired after a long day

[grave cove]

they all look the same 😭

[jaunty wraith]

the trinity looks cool

[foggy jungle]

Pretty sure I used a trinity knot for my graduation

[stark oasis]

I need to decide what distro to switch to when I do my next install. I've decided don't like Ubuntu anymore. The main reason why is this https://ubuntu.com/pro
The tldr is that certain security updates are held hostage behind this pro program, for things like imagemagick. I don't really fully know why, I just know that it's unacceptable and I have to find something else.

Ive used arch and manajro in the past, but I really don't prefer rolling release updates tbh.

I tried out BSD in VM because I was curious about that, but I decided that... while it has a lot of cool ideas, it would take a lot of commitment to using it in the long run for being slightly different in random ways

Something that uses apt as a package manager would probably be most preferable to me.

debian sources tend to be a little outdated.

I really just dont know what to use anymore. I could try mint and then put KDE plasma on it.

[low chasm]

I terrible at tying knots 😔

[quick ledge]

What about KDE Neon

[low chasm]

Fedora? I've used openSUSE in the past as well

[oak tangle]

https://youtu.be/EmL3lS0-Sr8?t=140

[low chasm]

lmao

[stark oasis]

it's just Ubuntu under the hood isn't it?

[stark oasis]

these are ones i havent tried

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln hi

[sharp kiln]

Hello

So, why do u think is it great?

[dapper shell]

because it's good to support groups that are often oppressed. why do you think it isn't great?

[sharp kiln]

It isnt great cuz of a lot of reasons

[slow bane]

As a gay person, it's also nice to see that I'm welcome in a community.

[sharp kiln]

One of them is because of Pink money

[slow bane]

🙄

[dapper shell]

idk what that is

[distant hazel]

pink tax?

[slow bane]

OffTopic^2: I can't use reactji until someone else reacts first? I assume that ability gets toggled on by a bot at some point? 🙂

[sharp kiln]

Most of companies just promote and celebrate gay month because they earn more money in these times

[dapper shell]

definitely rainbow washing is a bad thing. People use Pride in cynical ways. I dont think we are doing that.

[slow bane]

I don't think the Python Discord is getting money from putting a rainbow in their logo. 😆

[distant hazel]

we have them disabled in python-general bc of moderation load

[dapper shell]

we shouldn't let cynical companies take away a powerful symbol though, right?

[sharp kiln]

The Second one is because the lgbt community, by far, is the less oppressed one in th world. Although, when doing this sort of movement, people remember only of them

I say, what about the other ones?

[dapper shell]

i think you mean there are many other oppressed groups. That is also true.

if you have suggestions for others to support, #community-meta is interested in ideas.

[sharp kiln]

And well, the last reason is because not everyone agrees with common consenses about lgbt stuff. Some even get offended

[mossy flare]

Well yes? Thats the opression?

[dapper shell]

that is true. But we want to take a stand that we support them. Everyone should be able to be themselves. The people who are offended by the flag are people who want to oppress lgbt people.

[sharp kiln]

No? Its a search for the truth?

[mossy flare]

What? Live and let people live

[dapper shell]

the truth is that lgbt people deserve respect. they are not ill, they do not need to be fixed.

[dapper shell]

what truth do you mean?

[sharp kiln]

Not exactly. Most of them just wanna let their childs go to School or watch TV without having contact with any sort of ideology

[mossy flare]

If someone wants to were a ugly hat, they are allowed, someone wants a dress they can

[dapper shell]

who them do you mean?

[mossy flare]

Being Gay/Trans/... isnt and ideology

[slow bane]

"I don't want contact with any ideas different than mine" is itself an ideology.

[dapper shell]

People asking to be respected shouldn't be controversial. I'm sorry it seems that way to you.

@sharp kiln the pride flag will remain on the server through June, and will be back next June.

[sharp kiln]

Some consenses about lgbt people arent 100% truth. I wont say it here because i see ill be attacked by a bot army

[robust zephyr]

how can you know what most of anyone does? did you survey them? i don't think you can know something like this

[sharp kiln]

But if you wanna discuss it calmly we can actually

[lucid smelt]

https://lichess.org/UHKNsiHC

anyone

[sharp kiln]

Making propaganda of it is

[mossy flare]

From who?

[dapper shell]

I'm calm. but I'm not going to change my view. I'm not asking you to change yours. You just have to repspect people here.

[sharp kiln]

It is, but its not imposed to no one

[mossy flare]

Who is making propaganda and why?

[dapper shell]

asking for respect is not propaganda.

[mossy flare]

Being yourself and wanting to be equal under law/protected isnt imposing

[sharp kiln]

Youre calm

But the other ones arent

[dapper shell]

you don't have to explain your views if you don't want. I understand why you might not want to.

[mossy flare]

Why am i not calm?

Did i insult you?

[sharp kiln]

Then why making a symbol about it and trying to teach it to children?

[dapper shell]

we have the symbol here to show that we support lgbt people.

[sharp kiln]

My position is, your sexual options are... your stuff, right?

Why people need to know about it?

[dapper shell]

because lgbt people have had to hide it to protect themselves, and they shouldn't have to do that.

[robust zephyr]

love isn't limited to sex you know

[sharp kiln]

Mutual respect is the basic thing in a society, doesnt matter the reason

[dapper shell]

i agree, mutual respect. that is what the symbol demonstrates.

[sharp kiln]

Its not.. it demonstrates the gay cause

[dapper shell]

it shows respect for gay people.

[dapper shell]

what would you say "the cause" is?

[sharp kiln]

I dont see a rainbow flag and think about respect

[mossy flare]

Wdym? Should we keep the existence of certain Groups secret from kids? Specialy if >10% of them are part of it?

[robust zephyr]

then you clearly aren't interested in mutual respect

[sharp kiln]

I see a rainbow flag and think about Something related to gays

[dapper shell]

it's about lgbt people, yes. why is that a problem?

[mossy flare]

Well it is?

[sharp kiln]

Mutual respect doesnt depend on who

[dapper shell]

it's ok to express support for one group of people. That doesn't mean we don't respect others.

[dapper shell]

i am straight. I don't feel disrespected by a pride flag.

[sharp kiln]

Its not about respect, see?

[dapper shell]

it's about respect and visibility for gay people.

[mossy flare]

Its about respect to LGBTQ and solidarity

[mossy flare]

Could you please answer @sharp kiln ?

[dapper shell]

when you see people raising funds for cancer, do you think, "why not the other diseases?"

"all diseases should be cured, but right now I'm talking about cancer in particular"

[tropic lichen]

I don't believe that's what they're implying they want to happen, and framing it as such isn't the most respectful thing

[sharp kiln]

No. They will discover this group as they grow up

[mossy flare]

Yes they are? Implying that sex education is propaganda to make kids gay is openly problematic and homophobic

[sharp kiln]

Why a 10 years old child need to know what are the lgbts?

[mossy flare]

So you are against sex education in general?

[dapper shell]

there are no 10-year-olds in Discord.

[sharp kiln]

Exactly. Its a parents job to teach about sex

[dapper shell]

but why shouldn't a 10-year-old know that two men can be in love?

[mossy flare]

Where are you from if i may ask?

[dull gazelle]

why do 10 year olds need to know about the sky, or the ocean, or 2+2?

[sharp kiln]

In theory lol. But i mean here about schools

[sharp kiln]

Italy

[dapper shell]

can we stick to Discord? We aren't trying to run schools.

[dapper shell]

why shouldn't a Discord server have a pride flag?

[mossy flare]

You do have Sex education there tho? Safer Sex is very important and Sex education helps reducing poverty.

[sharp kiln]

The movement is. And by sticking in DC youre supporting them. Thats not my point actually but its true

[mossy flare]

(im sry)

[mossy flare]

Yes we are in solidarity with them, thats the whole point?

[dapper shell]

i believe it is good for children (of any age) to understand that men can love men and women can love women. I support that. This server supports that.

[lament cairn]

hello

[sharp kiln]

In some places

[sharp kiln]

It is important, but for adults. 10 yo ppl must not know about it

[dull gazelle]

why?

[dapper shell]

10-year-olds don't need to know sex. They should know that men can marry men.

[sharp kiln]

They dont need to understand it. They just need to respect, as they must respect everyone

[dapper shell]

4-year-olds should know that men can marry men.

[mossy flare]

Kids have sex/sexual encounters with 12+ onwords.
Its very important for ~14-16 years old to know how safer sex works.

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln don't reduce everything to sex. This is about much more than that.

[mossy flare]

Teen pregnancy/abortions are going back because of sex education.

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln children go to straight weddings, and don't think about sex. They can go to gay weddings and also not think about sex.

[sharp kiln]

They dont?

[mossy flare]

Same goes for HPV, Aids,...

[dapper shell]

they won't know it if we don't make sure that lgbt people are visible.

[sharp kiln]

This movement reduces everything to sex🙃

[dapper shell]

no: you are doing that.

[shell raptor]

Well to be fair, the only reason the phenomenon of love exists is to reproduce 🙂

[dapper shell]

straight marriages are not all about sex. gay marriages also are not all about sex.

[sharp kiln]

They will see them when they get old enought

[shell raptor]

Let's not show anything to kids then

[dapper shell]

why not see them when they are young? And don't say sex, because it's not about sex.

[mossy flare]

The right to change your name, pronome, marry, adopt, live,... Isnt about sex at all

Love isnt = sex

[dapper shell]

and one trans person isn't even a couple, it's not about sex at all.

[trail kettle]

well your changing your gender

which involves getting surgery changing your sexy parts

[dapper shell]

4-year-olds know about gender. that's different than sexuality

[mossy flare]

How is changing your gender related to having sex?

Like at all

[dapper shell]

many trans people have no surgery.

looks like everyone needs to understand more deeply

[mossy flare]

And even if they do, its a private thing between doctor and patient

Not a "public Sex" thing

[trail kettle]

well people go through hormonal therapy and change their genetalia

[sharp kiln]

Yes lets just not

[mossy flare]

Hormonl therapy doesnt change your genetalia*

[trail kettle]

no but its an attempt to be more feminine or masculine

[sharp kiln]

Because they must grow up with no influency?

[dapper shell]

sorry, i don't know what that means.

[sharp kiln]

I mean, children dont just say Something and they say "okay"

[sharp kiln]

See*

[mossy flare]

But they wont? Straight People, for example their parents will probably also kiss infront of them?

[dapper shell]

actually, children mostly do just say "OK". It's the parents who don't know how to explain when asked.

[trail kettle]

i said and not to

[mossy flare]

How is that a problem for kids? What if a women pierces her nipples? Do we have to hide her from kids?

[vast grotto]

Yes

[trail kettle]

when did i mention kids

[sharp kiln]

Children are a machine of copying what adults do. What if they think theyre lgbt just because they saw adults that are?

[mossy flare]

So what if?

[sharp kiln]

Children havent enought age to discerne that

[mossy flare]

Whats the risk?

[dapper shell]

they don't do that. gay people grew up with straight parents. straight kids grew up with gay parents.

[mossy flare]

They will kiss another boy?

[trail kettle]

children do in fact copy thier parents

[sharp kiln]

They will think theyre something they arent

[dapper shell]

i don't believe their sexuality is determined by that.

what does any of this have to do with a pride flag showing support for lgbt people here?

[mossy flare]

They will try it out and if they arent gay they wont like it?

Whats the risk in trying?

[dapper shell]

more likely is that hiding gay people will make gay kids try to be straight. that's what history has shown us.

[vast grotto]

It doesnt are we not allowed to talk about the month we’re celebrating

[sharp kiln]

Its not right

[mossy flare]

Why?

[dapper shell]

we are talking about the month, but getting into all kinds of side topics.

[sharp kiln]

Its treating ppl like as if you could discard them

[trail kettle]

there are cases of siblings claiming they are pansexual and transgender because of the way that they were raised

[mossy flare]

Do you think if you kiss another man once you will forever be gay even tho you are (probably?) Hetero?

[dapper shell]

no it's not. kids will understand. they won't blindly copy people.

[sharp kiln]

They blindly copy ppl

Its a fact

A biological thing also

[dapper shell]

and there are cases of gay people trying desperately to be straight because no one around them would accept them being gay. what is your point?

[mossy flare]

What? Letting kids choose who they want to kiss/interact with isnt discarding them

[trail kettle]

the dude said "children are a machine of copying what adults do." and you said "they don't do that." so i responded with they do. and now ur changing what applies to that statement

[dapper shell]

i can't tell if you are just being pedantic, or have a problem with the Pride flag.

[trail kettle]

arent we talking about children not full grown adults

[mossy flare]

So what about gay kids? They will also copy their parents wont they?

Force something on them that they arent?

[trail kettle]

i never said anything about a pride flag i came in here saying that changing your gender does in fact have something to do with sex

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln it's important for everyone (including children) to understand that gay people exist, and to respect their existence.

[dapper shell]

my point is that children too young to think about sex are fine with knowing that a person changed their gender.

[mossy flare]

Its has something to do with your Sex and gender but it isnt related to havin Sex like the Verb

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln it's important that gay people don't have to hide themselves. You seem to think that gay people should be hidden from children.

[trail kettle]

ok well i said it has something to do with sex and u argued with me

[dapper shell]

ok, do we agree now?

[trail kettle]

kids should stay out of this yes

[dapper shell]

that sounds like the opposite of what i said. I say it is fine for young kids (4 yo) to know about transgender people.

[mystic drift]

I quite fail to see the point of how homosexual people should be 'hidden away from children'

[trail kettle]

they can know about it but shouldnt be involved. how does that sound like the opposite of what u said

[mystic drift]

When we have instances of political and religious indoctrination for as young as 5

[dapper shell]

i guess i don't know what you mean by involved. Trans people should be visible. young kids can know they exist.

[trail kettle]

involved as in activley participating

[mystic drift]

Homosexuality has happened since the atoms that composed me were rather young

And it happens on every species

[dapper shell]

let's be really clear: you mean they are too young to change their own gender?

[trail kettle]

yes

[dapper shell]

ok, that's fine. we agree.

[vast grotto]

How many of you believe in god this isnt for being against anyone im just wondering

[mystic drift]

I don't particularly believe in God

As an individual

[dapper shell]

I don't either

[mystic drift]

Just rather a higher being

[lament cairn]

I'm agnostic

[dapper shell]

@sharp kiln did we lose you?