ot1-perplexing-regexing

[graceful basin]

rather than having the pascal procedure-function duality but only in the typesystem

[lofty dirge]

sure, but for more strict languages, I would assume ```python
def hello():
print('Hello')

a = hello()``` would throw at compile time

I know in Python, a will be None but that's python

[tardy rain]

That seems unnecessary

[graceful basin]

If the goal is to make it easy to write long expressions, like in rust/kotlin/scala/ocaml/haskell, having all function calls be expression is IMO worth the extra effort. (also it allows passing "void functions" into places generic over the return type of a given function, which can be useful and the units just get optimized out)

[jovial oriole]

Goddammit I swear my school is the back rooms

I can't find a single washroom

I had to dodge several hordes of twelfth graders blasting edgy music while walking around thinking they're cool

[floral apex]

Unit type?

[graceful basin]

(), None, undefined (ish). A type with a single member.

[rough sapphire]

I don't understand loops

They're so hard

[tardy rain]

Which part

[lunar shore]

wthhhh Firefox's Brave theme is great

[lunar shore]

in Python?

[jovial oriole]

i think im a robot

captchas are getting too fucking hard

[rough sapphire]

hi lads

lizzie has bit the bucket

can’t believe it

https://youtu.be/N9NeivPwLV0

saw it on radio one and was like jeez

[jovial oriole]

(moosic) Buckingham palance has announced the death of her majesty queen Elizabeth the second (moosic)

like bro

[inner lagoon]

.joke

[median dome]

The class object inherits from Chuck Norris.

[inner lagoon]

.joke

[median dome]

What do you call a parrot that says "Squawk! Pieces of nine! Pieces of nine!"? A parrot-ey error.

[inner lagoon]

.joke

[median dome]

How to explain the movie Inception to a programmer? When you run a VM inside another VM, inside another VM ... everything runs real slow!

[inner lagoon]

oh yeah

lol

.joke

[median dome]

What do you mean 911 is only for emergencies? I've got a merge conflict.

[inner lagoon]

An avengers level threat

.joke

[median dome]

Two bytes meet. The first byte asks, 'Are you ill?' The second byte replies, 'No, just feeling a bit off.'

[inner lagoon]

.joke

[median dome]

Chuck Norris performs infinite loops in under 4 seconds.

[inner lagoon]

.oke

.joke

[median dome]

Chuck Norris can't test for equality because he has no equal.

[acoustic moss]

#sir-lancebot-playground pls 🥺

[inner lagoon]

.joke

[median dome]

QA Engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 999999999 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a sfdeljknesv.

[inner lagoon]

oh i forgot

sorry

[hallow minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26024670

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-cat-catc-atca-gif-25291329

[inner lagoon]

lmao

[bold moat]

let's go england has a king now

[bold moat]

tasty

[hallow minnow]

L

[tardy rain]

⬛⬛⬛🟨🟩
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[ionic bane]

🐧

[thick ore]

What have I become

[floral apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIU4ECWPDAs tl;dr: no more username api

[thick ore]

rest in piece namemc 🙏

or is it "early RIP namemc 🎉"

bet they will rebrand to SkinMC

[maiden tartan]

Hello

If i am using sed for multiple edits at once sed 's/foo/bar/g ; s/abc/bcd/g

is sed invoked only once or for every edit?

[jaunty wraith]

all expressions are evaluated once for every line AFAIK

[rough sapphire]

every file, color or behavior I perceveid I think

It's malicious code.

[nocturne venture]

@hallow frigate i have a question for you! how did Nicol Bolas got his name? i find the name so weird and out of place for a dragon, there must be a good story behind it 😄

[thick ore]

lmao what?

this seems like a response to a deleted message

unless you're literally saying "every file, color, or behavior I perceive is malicious code"

[rough sapphire]

like an image that I saved

[thick ore]

what about it?

does it contain malicious code?

[rough sapphire]

I changed the extension of the file to txt

[thick ore]

then?

does it show weird stuff?

[rough sapphire]

yes

[thick ore]

does it begin with "PNG", "JPG" or whatever?

[rough sapphire]

I hope I can find a script that

no

[thick ore]

it's completely normal

[rough sapphire]

it begins with RIFF

[thick ore]

normal

means it's a RIFF file

doesn't necessarily mean it's malicious

[rough sapphire]

riff file is a mode for transfer images betweens machines

rightw

can I paste one line herew

?

[thick ore]

sure?

[thick ore]

yeah

it stands for "Resource Interchange File Format"

wait

it's not necessarily for images

but whatever

[rough sapphire]

I don't get a ban

[thick ore]

?

I don't think you will get banned

[rough sapphire]

nevermind

I did the same thing with other image and it showed the same kind of weird characters

[thick ore]

lol nice

[rough sapphire]

¸ˆüž
6³×'C­ÙðAÂEÁ,§×{3µ4‰Gàox¼ŒnŸƒÙì€0ÑH+329 Mí£Éþ†“

stuff like that

[thick ore]

yeah

just image data

looks weird when you display it in unicode

[rough sapphire]

All I know about images is that one pixel has 3 values

[thick ore]

correct, the RGB values

[rough sapphire]

but that image have a webpm extension

something like that

and that file appears on a sanity check

what would you do in my case to decode to see the malicious script

[thick ore]

there is no malicious script

that is just an image

[rough sapphire]

I pay a program to scan files

That one was that

there

[hallow frigate]

I actually have no idea. I reasonably suspect it just "sounded cool" and that was good enough. I'll ask.

[nocturne venture]

nice, thanks 🙂

[echo crater]

Hello if someone is on pc and willing to help Please join the chess.com server and send me an invite to it so i can join it I'm on mobile and can't join servers without a link please help

[jovial oriole]

?

[rough sapphire]

a malware detector

[jovial oriole]

you mean an av

a bunch of those exist already

[rough sapphire]

av?

[small coral]

antivirus

[tulip cedar]

How's the view, jake?

[floral apex]

Cluttered with Nvidia ads

[rough sapphire]

how much important is Bash ? should I learn it ?

[acoustic moss]

yes and yes

[graceful basin]

yeah, bash is quite good to know

even just to learn its many keybinds

[rough sapphire]

Thanks

[jaunty wraith]

what keybinds?

[graceful basin]

exactly

[jaunty wraith]

[graceful basin]

it has a fairly basic emulation of emacs or vi, various way to search the history, ways to reinsert parts of the past command

alt+. will for example append the last argument of the previous command

[floral apex]

Also featured in Zsh last time I set it up

[graceful basin]

yeah, these are fairly common between shells

[jaunty wraith]

aren't those just GNU readline features?

[floral apex]

But is it found in the Microsoft oddball

[graceful basin]

yup

PSReadLine

[graceful basin]

probably

[floral apex]

I need to learn how to programmatically make tab completion in PowerShell

[tribal aurora]

import std.core;
int main()
{
   std::cout<< "Hello, World!\n";
}``` so this is the c++20

which compiles 10 times faster than the regular #include <iostream>, said Stroustrup

[verbal trench]

Let's go i finally got my first laptop

And it's a gaming one which i didn't expect

[graceful basin]

Aren't modules in C++ 20 already

[tribal aurora]

oh wait yes, ma bad

[graceful basin]

Also, the syntax is import <std> IIRC

But yes, modules are incredible

Finally, a way to get rid of the preprocessor for good

[tribal aurora]

aight now better

[tribal aurora]

yes

but clang doesn't support em yet, sadge

man c++ is getting awesome

with concepts, std::expected, modules...etc.

trying to steal ideas as much as it can lol.

[graceful basin]

Yeah, C++ can't keep up now that making a programming language doesn't require 5 professors working full time to write an optimising compiler for it

[tribal aurora]

what does that suppose to mean

[graceful basin]

C++ is meant to be the language where all the cool features reside in a way that makes them usable in practice

essentially, academic languages make experimental features and then C++ makes them into a real thing

except now its way easier to just make a whole new language and develop it to a point where you can just use it instead of C++

[lofty dirge]

bash itself, not as important, but knowing basic commands are really important

[rough sapphire]

If I have a page like this name.github.io/ how can I add a new page for it like name.github.io/hello_world ?

[wraith hound]

have a hello_world/index.html file (hello_world.html would be name.github.io/hello_world.html on github pages)

[rough sapphire]

https://yousufsmahmoud.github.io/, here I want to add another page after the last /

[wraith hound]

right, so add a the_path.html or the_path/index.html to the repo

although for the record, you usually use -, not _ in html files

[rough sapphire]

Thanks, I will try it

[tardy rain]

Is it just my phone or does youtube on android not autorotate when fullscreened anymore

[floral apex]

Google:

[stark prawn]

it does still work for me, but it can be finicky at times

especially when going from nonfull to full screen during rotation

[twilit temple]

my commit graph doesnt look very healthy

[runic wigeon]

rotates for me

[young shoal]

same. it always goes to one side

[floral apex]

That's a quite irregular heartbeat

[wise pasture]

Getting to bed at 2 AM is not healthy, true

[scenic beacon]

https://skyline.github.com

try looking at your commit graph that way

[scenic beacon]

i'm not much of a committer

[floral apex]

But a full commitment's what I'm thinking of

[scenic beacon]

ah, I just commit to my own small repos

and that graph is from last year

[gritty zinc]

found a cool (if old) presentation explaining the purpose of ECS and gamedev in Rust, made by a Starbound developer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKLntZcp27M

[soft violet]

@pastel tree You didn't have to close the channel.

[pastel tree]

oh okay

[soft violet]

@spice spire Good luck. 🙂

I'm not sure you realised, but I was in the middle of typing out an example, but I suppose either I was being confusing or you figured out what you need to do, so whatever.

[spice spire]

sry but im confuse on what you're trying to say. thank you though

[soft violet]

!d dict

[royal lake]

dict

class dict(**kwargs)``````py

class dict(mapping, **kwargs)``````py

class dict(iterable, **kwargs)```
Return a new dictionary initialized from an optional positional argument and a possibly empty set of keyword arguments.

Dictionaries can be created by several means:

• Use a comma-separated list of `key: value` pairs within braces: `{'jack': 4098, 'sjoerd': 4127}` or `{4098: 'jack', 4127: 'sjoerd'}`

• Use a dict comprehension: `{}`, `{x: x ** 2 for x in range(10)}`

• Use the type constructor: `dict()`, `dict([('foo', 100), ('bar', 200)])`, `dict(foo=100, bar=200)`

Similar names: label.dict, 2to3fixer.dict

[soft violet]

Review at your leisure.

I'm off.

[blissful moth]

this is normal, right?

[paper sequoia]

I feel like this is definitely a help channel

[floral apex]

yep, sure is a help channel

[paper sequoia]

Obviously must be one

[jaunty wraith]

is py.rs.js a Python interpreter, for embedding in Rust programs, written in JS?

[floral apex]

[tulip cedar]

println!(true)

[jovial oriole]

Br

[jovial oriole]

Child's play #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[tame wigeon]

🍋

to

[west scroll]

It's a help channel because if you say "i can't do this in rust, rust sucks" you are likely to get rust help

[jaunty wraith]

I can't do doubly linked lists in Rust
Rust sux

[acoustic moss]

Rc

[tardy rain]

BOX BOX
BOX BOX

angry Raikkonen noises

[floral apex]

https://raku.org/

[jaunty wraith]

ah yes, Remote-Controlled Rust

[floral apex]

Perl: LSD Edition

[proven ermine]

The best way to get help on literally anything is to post a question, then get on an alt account and respond with a completely wrong answer and BOOM you have an entire community giving you the correct one

[jaunty wraith]

.wa s Cunningham's law

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[jaunty wraith]

well

[floral apex]

What's the Wikipedia command again?

[tardy rain]

.wiki kimi raikkonen

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Kimi Räikkönen
Kimi-Matias Räikkönen (Finnish pronunciation: [ˈkimi ˈmɑtiɑs ˈræi̯kːønen]; born 17 October 1979), nicknamed "The Iceman", is a Finnish racing driver who

2007 Formula One World Championship
Championship was won by Ferrari driver Kimi Räikkönen by one point at the final race of the season, making Räikkönen the third Finnish driver to take the

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[floral apex]

.wiki Cunningham's Law

[median dome]

Wikipedia Search Results

Ward Cunningham
According to Steven McGeady, Cunningham advised him of this on a whim in the early 1980s, and McGeady dubbed this Cunningham's Law. Although originally referring

Duke Cunningham
San Diego. Cunningham became nationally known as a CNN commentator on naval aircraft in the run-up to the Persian Gulf War. Cunningham's visibility as

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[proven ermine]

“The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer”

[proven ermine]

“This isn’t working, rust sucks” “no, you’re wrong, heres how you do it and why its great”

[young shoal]

oh but you can 👀

[merry grove]

any1 knows a program that mirrors my screen like obs is recording just an app that gcan get me a live screen mirror?

[wraith hound]

lies

gankra actually wrote a book on this

https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/

[jaunty wraith]

y'know the context was cunningham's law

and you kinda proved it

[grave cove]

Trolled

[acoustic moss]

i bet no real company uses rust in prod

[grave cove]

I bet none of y’all can send me 20 bucks

[tardy rain]

Its almost october

[wraith hound]

you think i'm reading?

[tardy rain]

Time for another free shirt

[wraith hound]

i just saw psvm's post

[jaunty wraith]

yeah, sorry

imagine reading

smh

[wraith hound]

reading your messages* sorry

i read the more important ones /s

[grave cove]

damnnnn

[jaunty wraith]

😕

[crisp ledge]

Honestly really informative. Thanks for sharing this

[young shoal]

the stickers are the best part

[tardy rain]

mfw opened dev tools on discord

web dev is hard i guess

[gritty zinc]

weird, why not null

[tardy rain]

Stickers are okayish imho, got one on my water bottle

[young shoal]

i love stickers

[tardy rain]

This was the cutest sticker i've gotten from hacktoberfest

[young shoal]

I have that one too

I like it a lot too lol

[upbeat olive]

https://github.com/JJConsulting/JJMasterData

[soft violet]

Were underscores unavailable for the current room name? That's disappointing.

[rough sapphire]

This is another server, but holy cow i can't believe this didn't get marked 😂

[west scroll]

it's a famous copypasta

[floral apex]

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day
Put an asterisk on that

Mainly for Chromium OS, Android and Alpine Linux users

And Windows and macOS outside of Linux

[rough sapphire]

I know.

[rough sapphire]

light theme 🧟

[azure beacon]

😈

[floral apex]

Vampires

[floral apex]

Well, you can make Discord channel names with underscores

Either old Discord doesn't allow it, the bot can't or they did it on purpose

[hot brook]

can someone explain what a stream is 😭

[floral apex]

🚽

||I'm sorry||

[hot brook]

lol

actually that helps

but whats a buffer then

and why do u need to buffer streams if streams themselves are a type of buffer

or im wrong

[tulip cedar]

Idk about buffer but i do know about buffet 😋

[hot brook]

bro 😔

[tulip cedar]

Nice profile picture btw

[jovial oriole]

I_LIKE_THIS_CHANNEL_NAME

[floral apex]

But it's screaming kebab case

It's not screaming snake case

[hot brook]

lol these names are the best

[small coral]

IS-THAT-NOT-DIFFERENT

[unkempt oriole]

SCREAMING-KEBAB
SCREAMING_SNAKE

[small coral]

SCREAMING CASE

[jovial oriole]

Aboo is canonically a monkey from alladin, so he does like bananas

[floral apex]

@low chasm

[stable talon]

ok

[jovial oriole]

Fuck typo

I meant bananas

As in your name

You know when you're talking to someone and typing

[floral apex]

I got a screenshot already of your typo

[jovial oriole]

And you type what you were saying

That's what happened

[jovial oriole]

Ik

[plucky ridge]

Anyone heard of or messed with bun? Seems to be a nodejs and deno competitor https://bun.sh/

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun

Seems interesting

Lots of bold claims for sure

[thick osprey]

The logo reminds me of @distant hazel for some reason

[plucky ridge]

Yeah it does a bit

[thick osprey]

Well, I have a tiny side project on my mind for the next weekend so I think I'll give this a go instead of node.

See how it feels.

[plucky ridge]

Let me know how it goes, I'm pretty curious

[thick osprey]

Bun automatically loads environment variables from .env files.
I am, to this day, just baffled that this is a selling point on anything dev related. Why do we even make tooling that doesn't support .env files as native sources of environment values?

[plucky ridge]

A lot of it just hasn't changed enough or recently enough to do it

Which yeah, is silly

[thick osprey]

ah well, just something that jumped out. I'm totally not a heavy user of node but I'll see how this performs from derp to deployment.

[graceful basin]

anything that sells performance first always seems suspicious to me, since I expect some corners to be cut

[plucky ridge]

Same

A lot of it is written in Zig which is the first time I've even seen that language

[graceful basin]

Zig is quite neat

[plucky ridge]

Well yeah he is

But what about the language

[thick osprey]

Was going to make a "found Zig" joke but I can't get stickers to work.

[graceful basin]

the language has goals I disagree with, but it meets those goals really well

[plucky ridge]

What parts don't you agree with

[graceful basin]

obvious control flow is the big one

love me flexibility in when I can call functions

it is of course very useful for writing fast code and such

[distant hazel]

yes their branding is super cute

i'm in their server

[floral apex]

I think Bun has something more concrete to base its speed on

And that's using Safari's JavaScriptCore instead of Chromium's V8 engine

I don't actually know what the performance difference is between the two though

[graceful basin]

afaik JSC just warms up faster.

[crisp ledge]

yep, it went viral (in JS-land at least) a few months ago

still in early stages of development; pretty ambitious goals but we'll see how it plays out

[tardy rain]

Such a js thing to get excited about literal proofs of concept

[acoustic moss]

pur lease like pyscript wasnt hyped to death too

[tardy rain]

Thats for js people that wanna do python instead

[crisp ledge]

well, you can play with Bun right now. they have an install script and cli. but the goals beyond "just a JS runtime" are probably not close to being realized. Oven was founded to lead Bun's development, and you can read more about what I'm talking about on their website (https://oven.sh/)

[tardy rain]

Not really that interested because i'll probably never get to work with it professionally

And i dont do js if im not paid for it lmao

[distant hazel]

isn't it for python people that don't want to write js?

[tardy rain]

I feel that py people that dont wanna do js would do the smart thing and use ts instead

[nova wyvern]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing hmmm

[distant hazel]

then for python people that don't want to write js/ts*

wasn't that its pitch?

or am i misunderstanding

[tardy rain]

Maybe, idk, as a python guy myself i would rather do TS than "python but worse" (in the browser)

[thick osprey]

typescript is just flavoured javascript though. That's a silly way of drawing lines, imo.

[tardy rain]

Im sorry but thats like saying chocy milk is just flavoured milk when its so much more

[jovial oriole]

why does my enter key not work in vsc?

i need to press ctrl+enter

[floral apex]

I think it's more of a "do you think data scientists would use JS/TS at all"

Why learn d3 when you're already familiar with matplotlib

[dapper dew]

Hey I'm a Brad

[ionic bane]

nice to meet you brad! I'm noid. Now, what can i get for 3 emeralds?

[dapper dew]

At least 3 other, similar emeralds

[grave cove]

1 feather, take it or leave it

[ionic bane]

I'll give you 3 emeralds for 1 feather and then ill give you a feather for 4 emeralds, deal?

[grave cove]

sounds like a deal to me!

[jovial oriole]

hi a brad, im dad

[ionic bane]

I'm* 👽

[proven ermine]

Hi * 👽 , I'm Dad!

[jovial oriole]

hi hi dad I'm * 👽 brad

[ionic bane]

👽

[proven ermine]

now that one just doesn't make sense

[jovial oriole]

hi hi dad 2i9 im * 👽 brad hi

[proven ermine]

🗿

[jovial oriole]

18 pixels from that image

[shy spoke]

@jaunty wraith why are there suddenly 5 random volumes

[jaunty wraith]

idk

[shy spoke]

i have to reset, dont i

siiiigh

[jaunty wraith]

I think so, yeah

[shy spoke]

welp

time to borrow my neighbor's external drive for backing up

[jaunty wraith]

well good luck

[floral apex]

Just treat Ubuntu the same way you would treat macOS and Windows

[thick ore]

no 1 mistake when using Linux: "ooh i can do this? hmm what would happen if i just..."

[shy spoke]

yep

[shy spoke]

its a bit difficult to do when ubuntu freely gives me the permission to make it eat itself

[tribal aurora]

it's fun in vm tho

deleting your home directory and watching your pc deleting itself is fun

init

[floral apex]

Anyone else put their sidebar on the right?

Been trying this out so the editor doesn't end up shifting around

And see if it's a good enough improvement to keep or not

[crisp ledge]

wdym by shift?

[floral apex]

see how the editor moves around when on the left

[crisp ledge]

I suppose

I don't toggle between showing/hiding the file list often

[floral apex]

It didn't really matter anyways after I remember Zen mode exists

[crisp ledge]

Zen mode is great

[floral apex]

Although I disabled full screen and centering

[royal lake]

Hey @jovial oriole!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.mkv). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[rough sapphire]

Rip

[rough sapphire]

how can we protect our privacy and our personal data in the internet?

should I stop using any service or website that asks for a lot of information?

[grave cove]

You really can't

Sure you can try to minimize it but it's difficult

The general tips: use a VM, use a VPN, use DDG, that sort of thing

[rough sapphire]

what is DDG ?

[topaz aurora]

DuckDuckGo

[west scroll]

This is so true

[topaz aurora]

I think at this point

You should only use services you're comfortable sharing your data with

and at the very least, minimize interaction with those you kinda have to have

[west scroll]

You will need to read a lot to figure that out, and I'm not even sure if it makes sense to link you to resources because there is a fairly high technical barrier to achieve high privacy

But with that said - use Librewolf and searxng (online instances at https://searx.space/ ) to replace your browser and search engine.

that's a start

[tribal aurora]

ddg or brave search engine will do

[tulip cedar]

Brave vs Google search engine which is better?

[tribal aurora]

in what term

[floral apex]

For search results, Google

For privacy, honestly I'll hand it to SearX or DuckDuckGo

I don't see Brave as a company that has morals

[tulip cedar]

Security, good search results and so on

Like, overall

[tribal aurora]

it has better results than ddg imo

[floral apex]

I still wouldn't really trust my data to Brave

The idea of a company that doesn't respect content creators, it's own userbase as well as being a hypocrite for blocking ads yet serving their own doesn't sit well with me

https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1279112966974177287?s=20&t=_9XcKg_w9MJBBT1_VMXZBA About the part with content creators

Tom Scott (@tomscott)

@smartereveryday @3blue1brown I would very definitely avoid Brave. I had an argument with them about soliciting donations using my name without consent in 2018 (which they have since changed), and lately they've been caught sneakily adding their own affiliate links into web pages: https://t.co/77KChZSAzy

Likes

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Which also highlights not respecting their userbase for not being transparent about affiliate links

[tribal aurora]

i mean, yea, brave did wrong things in the past. like selling its data to ad companies without its users knowing

[floral apex]

They've shown to be promising, but end up breaking that when they keep screwing up within a short span of time

It's pretty hard to trust Brave when they're no better than Google or Facebook in their own ways

[topaz aurora]

that said

Brendan Eich is far from a good character

[west scroll]

I'd go with google than either of those, lol.
Web without JS beats web with JS by a long shot, if going even more into the privacy-concern-territory

[jovial oriole]

Dammit I was late for the bus but 15 minutes early for class

How the hell does that work

The teacher isn't even here yet

[young shoal]

bus needs to get people

[jovial oriole]

But bus drives too fast

[floral apex]

The heel is a very mighty part of a shoe

[jovial oriole]

Now I have to awkwardly wait with
3 class mates I don't know the names of

[young shoal]

why don't you get off your phone or whatever and socialize

[wraith hound]

you can fix that

learn their names

[floral apex]

Teach them about the Holy C

[jovial oriole]

Lmao, am I supposed to just put phone down and go " hi, whats your name?"

What if they start silently judging Me for talking to them

[young shoal]

uhhh, yes, that's how it works

[jovial oriole]

Lol

[jovial oriole]

Too late already did it

[young shoal]

have you considered introducing yourself

[jovial oriole]

Already have

Gabe, Brianna, and chase

[topaz aurora]

That's on them

It reflects their behavior more than it does yours

[last mantle]

my man

[small coral]

ah yes that's totally a good way to start a conversation

[jovial oriole]

I'm not that socially awkward, I'm just looking for something to complain about

My life has been too good lately

Everything is falling in place like puzzle pieces

I made a haha big funny humor joke in English

[floral apex]

Become a Twitter user

Go to the politics section

[jovial oriole]

All the reasoning here...

Wow, such empty!

[bold moat]

do you know how much of a loser you sound saying that?

[bold moat]

it actually is

check out thatwasepic

he picks up like 5-6 girls every video

and he has a ton of those

and he starts out by asking them their names

so it is the standard way to talk to a

stranger

[shell raptor]

has anyone figured out how to move a fullscreen window to a different screen on XFCE?

[rough sapphire]

what is your name

[fossil urchin]

its definitely dead

#ot1-perplexing-regexing

[tardy rain]

Stop crossposting a literal advertisement

Smh some people have no sense

[jovial oriole]

If by no sense, you mean no play testers then yes

No sense

[sage dune]

there, happy

im new to this stuff

[tardy rain]

!rule 9 never happy

[royal lake]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[sage dune]

im not payin you

[tardy rain]

Lmao

[tardy rain]

Did i miss the sharing part?

[sage dune]

?

@tardy rain what does that mean?

[tardy rain]

You didnt share your project

[sage dune]

okay

[royal lake]

Hey @sage dune!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[tardy rain]

Youre distributing a random python file? Why not put it on github?

Makes you look less shady as well

[sage dune]

@tardy rain I said im new to this

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/uxedategiv

[tardy rain]

I think you should be less worried about how to get people to test your code and learn new technologies and automated testing

[sage dune]

@tardy rain Explain please

[tardy rain]

Learn to use version control (git) and testing frameworks

[sage dune]

?

@tardy rain what is that?

[tardy rain]

Finding out is part of learning

[sage dune]

fair

[tardy rain]

You already have enough keywords for a google search

[sage dune]

thanks

[ionic bane]

@reef geyser whats so scary about C++

[reef geyser]

Not really scary, just not my cup of tea.

[ionic bane]

Define not your cup of tea? Like not to your liking?

[reef geyser]

Exactly. It's not bad per se, but I think it's trying too hard to be too many things.

And that off-puts me.

[ionic bane]

Thats a quite odd statement, which i cant either relate to it or the feeling for the language

Personally i feel sorta the same way for Rust but i just dont like rust because of syntax and ownership

like you said

it's trying too hard to be too many things.

[reef geyser]

I respect it when languages can be many things, but because of its userbase and fundamentals, not because you literally shoved everything you could've thought of in it

Which C++ is

A kludge

[ionic bane]

I'm personally liking C++ it reminds me of a low level python

[reef geyser]

Which is great, I hope you do enjoy it.
And it's not like I don't enjoy it either, I liked writing C++ code in robotics class when I was asked to
There's just too much going on there to really make me consider it unless its industry standard or de facto

[ionic bane]

I will probably use it in robotics second semester, but i think ill probably use it in the industry but i still see myself making backend tools with the language

[young shoal]

c++ has a bunch of things to manage ownership though, doesn't it?

[ionic bane]

Dont know havent gone to memory management yet🤷‍♂️

[young shoal]

how? it's literally c++ lol

[ionic bane]

I just declare stuff and never clear the memory😎

[ocean vapor]

Part of the reason I don't like C++ that much is because it's a pretty old language with a ton of stuff that's been added, not all of it considered best practices these days, but they can't remove anything for fear of breaking backwards compatibility

It can be used to great effect, and modern C++ with current best practices is pretty good, but much of the time dealing with legacy code is a huge pain

Additionally, discovering which tool you should use, without the guidance of someone who has been down that path, is really difficult

[floral apex]

@jaunty wraith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71WtiZBB_oI Your engine

[reef geyser]

this is horrible and I love it

[jaunty wraith]

my engine? 👀

[floral apex]

Your engine, 🗿 V8

[floral apex]

@dapper ibex

const {head: something}

A SyntaxError

[west scroll]

does anyone know when is AWS Lambda upgrading their node vers

Why are you using node 16

it's now 18

(and there are good features added)

[topaz aurora]

16 is LTS

[floral apex]

Because Node 16 is the LTS

Something that I appreciate Node has that Python doesn't in combination with nvm

[west scroll]

the other cloud providers have upgraded IIRC, or provided a timeline to do so

[floral apex]

I don't even use Node.js on the cloud, why should that matter

[west scroll]

I'm only unhappy because Netlify uses AWS L and I can't use N18 features lol

[floral apex]

Well yeah it matters for you since you want/need it

and I can see how that can suck

I just don't need the cutting edge, I just want something stable

[floral apex]

Hmm yes, Clisp

[rough sapphire]

@thick ore

i dont find the current font very nice

[thick ore]

ic

for a bit more contrast, change the text color to white

try messing around with IBM Plex Sans/Mono, Inter

[rough sapphire]

oh, these are pretty nice actually

nice pick 👀

I don't know if i should go for extralight 200 italic or not

italic is great imo but if i want to change it later i have to download the ttf again and change the name of the font im loading again

.

i think ill go without italics to be safe

[floral apex]

Couldn't you download them all at once and install

[rough sapphire]

i could, and i suppose right now the assets being bloated wouldnt matter anyways, the game is in early stages of development

[floral apex]

Windows has a drag and drop interface to automate the install part

Oh a game

I thought like using the fonts on your system itself

[rough sapphire]

no im not installing it to my system fonts

in the game, yeah

[floral apex]

Okay ignore what I said then

[rough sapphire]

here specifically

[jovial oriole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/xflxld/the_door_is_real_the_rest_is_graffiti/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

What

[floral apex]

Very nice graffiti art

[rough sapphire]

@thick ore thanks a ton, is this better?

[thick ore]

Dang

Looks good

[rough sapphire]

thanks!

[thick ore]

also

just a tip

don't commit your __pycache__

[rough sapphire]

ah that

i dont

i just havent added anything to the repo, for now it just acts as a backup incase i want something

[solid elbow]

@digital ivy I'd estimate that C++ is the most complex language used today.

it's an incredibly, mind bogglingly complex language.

Python has lots of complex bits, too - but C++ has far, far more of them.

that doesn't necessarily mean that it's difficult to learn the basics, but it can be very difficult to understand how all of the complex features interact with each other in C++

[digital ivy]

Got you. Thanks!

[solid elbow]

👍

[violet flint]

woah woah woah, where is prolog and lisp at 🤣

[small coral]

prolog is at idk and lisp is also at idk

[violet flint]

??

[small coral]

still valid sentence

[violet flint]

are you talking about the "what" insted of "where" that was a mistake 🤣

[small coral]

it's an answer to both

[violet flint]

oh, they're both still widely used these days

and when i say lisp i mean common lisp of course

[graceful basin]

both prolog and lisp are far simpler than C++, though prolog can get pretty close in places

[solid elbow]

My impression is that prolog and lisp are both small languages that are known for their simplicity and consistency

The ISO Prolog spec is 222 pages, per https://www.iso.org/standard/21413.html and https://www.iso.org/standard/20775.html
The ISO C spec is 520 pages, per https://www.iso.org/standard/74528.html
The ISO C++ spec is 1853 pages, per https://www.iso.org/standard/79358.html

[small coral]

do ISO specs handle all possible compiler outputs and parsers for each stage of the compiler?

[solid elbow]

they fully specify the language's behavior

[small coral]

so everything?

[solid elbow]

they'll usually include a grammar, but I'm not sure what you mean by "each stage of the compiler"

I suspect the answer to that is "no", but I'd need to know what you mean to be sure

[wraith hound]

the standard is not concerned with how it is implemented

it doesn't give two fucks about IRs or whatnot

it only cares that if the code says X, the implementation will make it do Y

[small coral]

preprocessor, lexical analysis, and semantic analysis?

[solid elbow]

oh - then, yes - the behavior of the preprocessor is specified, as are things like what symbols are valid identifier names, and what code can be in a block, etc

[wraith hound]

basically the standard only cares about user-facing things

it doesn't care what it does on the inside

[solid elbow]

right.

[small coral]

is there ever a case when writing a spec that there are some conflicts between parts

[solid elbow]

like, the fact that a C compiler will typically compile to assembly, and that assembly is then assembled into an object file, and that object file is then linked into an executable or library - that's all implementation details. The standard doesn't say anything about that.

[solid elbow]

sure, standards can have bugs, just like code can, or contracts

[floral apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G67WVa5kmo Look at me in the sussy Lambo

[rough sapphire]

Isnt there a way to see the registered age of someone's account

[wraith hound]

not on Discord

[floral apex]

Unless it's from a bot

[rough sapphire]

Thank you

[small coral]

do you mean how old the account is or how old the account user is?

[rough sapphire]

The user

[small coral]

yeah you can't get that

[young shoal]

that would be really weird

unless you were on tinder or something

[tribal aurora]

both easier than C++

[west scroll]

objectively wrong

[grave cove]

If you want to know when a user created their account, get their ID, bitshift right 22 times

[violet flint]

commonlisp get really complex really really quickly, and i wasn't actually comparing btw,

[violet flint]

many languages get pretty complex on large codebases so my statement was about them saying c++ is the hardest, so i was just saying that it's ONE OF the hardest languages

[graceful basin]

the original statement was that C++ is the most complex language currently in use, which I find hard to argue with.

[west scroll]

modern C++ is convenient enough. I say this despite hating having to write it

[graceful basin]

yeah, the language isn't bad

but it is pretty arguably the most complex

[jovial oriole]

discord isn't tinder?😳

[ionic bane]

No, thats why we havent matched yet

😳

[young shoal]

😳I like to travel and long walks on the beach

[jovial oriole]

😳I use scratch as my apis backend

[proven ermine]

Ok, so, theoretically it would be possible to do this. It might require some hardware or driver fuckery but theoretically you can make your APIs backend in scratch.

Would probably be super slow though

[young shoal]

you wouldn't even need any of that, just use OCR or something to read the output of the scratch script

[cunning dove]

Spawn with all it deamons was not a bad movie 🙂

I did spawn few daemons in my life too !

[jovial oriole]

something like python?

!pypi pytesseract

[royal lake]

pytesseract v0.3.10

Python-tesseract is a python wrapper for Google's Tesseract-OCR

[jovial oriole]

i used this to copy all text from images my french teacher sends for assignments (because doesn't know how to pdf) and convert to english. french is so much easier since then

[proven ermine]

ok but hear me out

[proven ermine]

.

[young shoal]

rofl

[proven ermine]

sadly the largest array of bytes I can transfer without having to modify scratch-vm is about 10 bytes

however, it does looks like I can transfer a max of 19 bytes back from scratch

[violet roost]

how about java

personally I find it more complicated than c++

[graceful basin]

if you took all the java standards together, it may be more than C++, there are a lot of those. But as a language, it is quite simple

[violet roost]

hmmm

[graceful basin]

I mean, just compare std::regex with javas 4 classes to do the same.

[prime aspen]

@floral apex But I can't integrate it to my smart house's system to aggressively churn out "Fuck you" whenever someone opens the door to the printer's room

[floral apex]

Solution

Buy a 3D printer, a Raspberry Pi and go to your electronics store

[prime aspen]

Shit

Wait, hangon, aren't the Butterfly printers you sent the industrial stuffs

[floral apex]

DIY printer

I dunno I just asked Google for "butterfly printer"

[prime aspen]

Yea mate, no, it's the industrial stuffs

I might consider that when I get to printing packaging labels though

[floral apex]

Oh I was saying 3D printer for the body + Raspberry Pi + electronics store parts = DIY printer

@eager trout Got any idea if Flutter can be used to overlay on top of something

Like say a keyboard app

Or desktop widgets

[eager trout]

You might need some third party library. Pubdev has something. I recall that there's a flutter project which utilizes this kind of behavior

@floral apex https://github.com/mulaRahul/keyviz

[floral apex]

That's very cool, fr

I can always check the pubspec

Seems like a combination of window_manager and flutter_acrylic

[jaunty wraith]

sad. no macOS or Linux support

[uneven pine]

Nothing of value missing

[jaunty wraith]

[floral apex]

Must be using something involving the Windows API

[jaunty wraith]

yea

[floral apex]

That or they can't guarantee it works for macOS and Linux and can't test for it

[jaunty wraith]

https://github.com/mulaRahul/keyviz/discussions/22#discussioncomment-3406046

[floral apex]

I can reuse what they did here

And make a custom desktop

If I can force hide the Windows taskbar

[floral apex]

Do Flutter plug-ins have to be in a specific language(s)

Or can I crabify them

[jaunty wraith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ask Skynse

[floral apex]

@eager trout mah boi

Can I crabify the bird lang plug-ins

[tribal aurora]

did you know

that

python is older than java

[jovial oriole]

da cap doe

🧢 🧢 🧢

[tribal aurora]

it's tru tho

[proven ermine]

Python 1.0 was like 1994, JDK beta was 1995

And supposedly python was conceived in late 1980 but wasn’t implemented for a while

[jovial oriole]

okay, what about jre tho

[graceful basin]

yeah, python does indeed predate java, though python 2 is really when it became relevant

[ionic bane]

Do you guys believe in love at first sight? I dont personally.

[thick osprey]

Depends on how you define "first sight" but I know I've experienced it multiple times in my life so far. Looking forward to more.

[ionic bane]

First sight as in first eye to eye contact, wdym more?!?!?

[thick osprey]

First eye to eye... Hmm. Yes. Though, did I know at that moment? Not enough that I felt it, but it's clear that is the singular moment that brought two paths together for that moment.

[ionic bane]

So you felt a connection but not one enough to actually feel the feeling of "love"?

[thick osprey]

From the second question you asked I have the strong suspicion that my definition of love and yours do not align.

[ionic bane]

Ive never really felt the feeling of love at first sight or true love i would say, so they definitely dont align

[proven ermine]

not really, but I believe in attraction at first sight

[thick osprey]

And that's perfectly fine because we are all different in our feelings. Makes it difficult to explain what I've felt looking into someone's eyes that lead to absolute no surprise that we would share the feeling of love between us.

[ionic bane]

I would also agree on attraction at first sight

[ionic bane]

I got another question

What is love in one sentence?

[proven ermine]

a release of chemicals in the brain and body

[ionic bane]

To you😭

[west scroll]

love is when I munch on burgers

[thick osprey]

Love is a word used to describe a strong emotion that is related to trust, safety, compassion, and kindness.

[ionic bane]

You forgot the most important value

Respect!

[thick osprey]

Personally, I did not forget. Stress on the fact that this is subjective opinion.

[ionic bane]

What do you mean subjective? Dont you need respect to have trust, safety, compassion and kindness?

[thick osprey]

I can show kindness to those that I do not respect. I can give compassion to them as well. There are many cases where respect is completely removed from love in my world.

[ionic bane]

But you cant show love without showing kindness or respect?

If you miss one of those, that's just lust and not love?

[thick osprey]

I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly. For me, love is kindness and compassion and many other pieces. Respect is not one of them. I have love for those in my life that I've lost respect for. I hope one-day we regain that mutual respect.

[ionic bane]

Ok ok, so if you love someone you would need respect for them, as you cant love them and treat them like a piece of shit, i would say respect has a big role in love in my eyes

[thick osprey]

I see what you are saying.

[ionic bane]

[thick osprey]

It's always interesting, seeing how widely others assign words to emotion.

[ionic bane]

Yep

[thick osprey]

I can have zero respect for someone and treat them like gold. I can all the respect in the world for someone and will literally spit in their face.

[ionic bane]

What the heck is respect for you?😭

[thick osprey]

Something complex, just like love.

[ionic bane]

To me respect is the feeling or concept of treating someone correctly in an honorable way that you want to be treated as well

E.g being kind and polite and the feeling of a good relationship between person to person without any feeling of rivalry

[thick osprey]

the feeling of a good relationship between person to person without any feeling of rivalry
That's closer to my definition of love xD

I suppose I'm drawing a line in my head between the verb action of "treating someone with respect" and the noun meaning of "respect". Over-complicating it as I do. Respect (the noun), to me is the judgement I have of another. My personal, biased, and completely internal judgement of another person's character.

So I can have no respect for you but still treat you with respect under the correct circumstances. (happens all the time at work)

[ionic bane]

So you basically love everyone? Thats nice, meaning you also love me right?🤔🥲

At work? That sucks, thats kind of you though.

[thick osprey]

I don't love everyone. There's still a level of separation between acquaintance, friend, good friend, and love. Though the lines are blurred more than others that I talk too about it. :)

Yes, work present social/political situation that make wearing a metaphorical mask necessary.

[jovial oriole]

for example, everyone is friends with preocts. everyone is good friends with joe. everyone loves brad. very simple

[thick osprey]

But back to your original question, there have been people in my life that went from a net neutral straight up to the love category in what would equate to "first sight".

[ionic bane]

Well then that level thats under love in your definition is respect, no?

Quite Profesional of you to do that.

[thick osprey]

Again, for me respect is another category completely. I don't mix it with love. I, to be coy, respect the fact that for myself those two emotions exist independently.

The complexity comes in when you stop looking at a single emotion and try to quantify the entire bundle.

[ionic bane]

Nothing wrong with that, but without respect you have no love, right?

[thick osprey]

I love two individuals in my life, today, for whom I have little or no respect.

well.. two individuals who come to mind when I think about this. I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

[ionic bane]

Yeah i dont really understand the feeling or concept and cant figure it out or mold it in to a word, but i do get what you mean.

[thick osprey]

For sure, it's a super complex topic. We've only been talking about interpersonal emotional labels. But these words aren't isolated to that at all! I love pad Thai. Does that use of the word have any correlation to the love I feel for people in my life?

For that matter, is respect an emotion or an opinion?

[ionic bane]

I would say a concept that correlates to an emotion to each person

[thick osprey]

I'm going to have to write tonight now. You've got and pushed my head into deep thought mode.

[ionic bane]

Sorry, i think allot about emotions and how they can play/manipulate your mind's response.

[thick osprey]

It's a good think to think about. They control you. I'd say that's worth self discovery and understanding.

[ionic bane]

That reminds me of a line i saw one time saying, "Dont trust anyone, not even yourself"

Yourself meaning your emotions and how they can change your minds response at that time/situation

[thick osprey]

Mhmm. It's a good phrase in context.

[ionic bane]

Yep

[thick osprey]

"You can turn your back on a person. But never turn your back on a drug." - Fear and Loathing

[ionic bane]

Mhm, addiction a strong evil concept

[thick osprey]

It's also a metaphor that the character's emotions are in full control, not the character.

[ionic bane]

I can relate ive been through addiction and i wouldnt say its a feeling at all but someone else because it doesnt feel like something you would do

[prime dove]

[eager trout]

sorry, was at work. With flutter, you need to code the plugin in three different langs/API's for each platform

Java/Kotlin for android, Swift for macos/ios, and win32 api (c/c++) for windows, and C (gtk) for linux

As for crabification, not sure

[coral tinsel]

🤣🤣🤣

[coral tinsel]

https://youtu.be/5NZVjqQQzLQ full video

[tidal bluff]

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[acoustic moss]

@hazy dirge please don't post chainmail

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-reichert-greyson-hale-paladin-dnd-rpg-gif-12444334

[jovial oriole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/xh78ms/a_long_time_before_wwii_but_yes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

Just saying

[rough sapphire]

The USSR was founded in 1922, Gorbachev died in 2022.

The USSR was dissolved in 1991, Gorbachev died at the age of 91.

Coincidence?

[solemn leaf]

i think not

[jovial oriole]

Is it just me or is anyone else having a stroke

[autumn night]

@pulsar summit i can give you the link for a statistics server that i'm a member of if you're interested. there are some R users in there

[jovial oriole]

woah my ping is so bad i sent a message after it was deleted

[rough sapphire]

I'm sitting here thinking about this feature on discord that shows everybody on the server, which app/game you're currently in and wondering why the operating systems give software that much permission.. they probably record everything you type and click.. basically everything you do

[graceful basin]

well, you are expected to only install trusted software. There are of course systems which can avoid this, notably android, macOS, iOS, ...

and windows is slowly moving in this direction as well

[rough sapphire]

yeah, i just hope it gets more private and not less private.. because smartphones are a complete joke when it comes to privacy and seems like Microsoft is trying to make Windows more like a phone

[graceful basin]

smartphones are far better in terms of privacy than pretty much any other OS

except maybe BSDs since no one bothers to make spyware for those

[rough sapphire]

nah, they literally embed cameras and microphones into them instead of giving you the option to hook one up

[graceful basin]

a microphone is absolutely critical for the functionality of a phone

[rough sapphire]

well yeah

[graceful basin]

a camera I would argue is also mostly indispensible

of course, having hardware switches on those components would be neat

but honestly, I doubt they can be made resilient enough

[rough sapphire]

i honestly think that U.S pushed the 5G bill for phones so that it was less noticable on your bandwidth when they're spying onyou

[graceful basin]

as if anyone cared before

[rough sapphire]

yeah because nobody thinks for themselves, they just do what joe blow does down the street

[graceful basin]

I think most people are aware that privacy is dying, but there is more or less nothing you can do

[rough sapphire]

idk .. old people are wise from experience in life but also because they dont work

everyone between ages of 1-retirement age are literally robots.. they get up and do the same exact thing everyday

never take a day off and just look around and think about whats going on

[graceful basin]

why do you think so?

[rough sapphire]

i haven't worked in 5 years.. hugely rethought life alot

i remember getting up everyday at the last minute to rush off to work.. and then as soon as i got off and came home, i immediately spent every minute I could trying to get my dopamine

whether it was from being on a computer or watching TV or w/e

its like a need for a drug.. everyone goes through it.. thats why you see everyone with a phone in their hand texting nonstop these days

[graceful basin]

most people I see are either looking around or talking with whoever they are walking

[rough sapphire]

overworked, underpayed.. never satisfied.. always wanting more more more.. it wouldn't matter if you made $5 an hour or $500/hour you still look for something else to want to go buy

yeah but what are those people talking about

[graceful basin]

who knows, probably other people

[rough sapphire]

yeah that too

[floral apex]

Hello again Windows Phone

Still far off until Windows on Arm becomes less of an afterthought

[rough sapphire]

Finally gained my love and motivation to write code again 😌

Im working on a little cli app with rust

Just to get reacquainted with it

i think writing a little bit of code every day helps with consistency for me, before i used to do long hours in one day and then nothing for the next week

[tribal aurora]

what app

[rough sapphire]

minigrep, im following the rust book :3

[tribal aurora]

oh cool

[rough sapphire]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch12-00-an-io-project.html

[tribal aurora]

ye ik

[rough sapphire]

i love the wording of the book

[coral tinsel]

anyone in the discord STEM server mind sending a link?

this one

but all the ones ive found expired

[proven ermine]

Just checked, you should be able to find it in the discord server discovery

It was the second one down after searching 'STEM' for me

[coral tinsel]

Ohh thankss

[thick ore]

i

i'm thinking

[proven ermine]

you are indeed

[floral apex]

You are now manually thinking

[jovial oriole]

Wow

[runic wigeon]

meanwhile youtube recommending me chinese videos when I'm not even one

ignore the charlie playlist

[topaz aurora]

That's Japanese fwiw

Twitter thinks I'm Japanese too

[runic wigeon]

oh yeah that's japanese

japanese is usually curves while chinese is mainly straight lines

that's how I differ them

[tardy rain]

Chinese looks like literal square blocks of characters to me

[runic wigeon]

japanese looks cute

chinese looks strict

[topaz aurora]

It's usually easy to differentiate between the two

Unless if the Japanese is written only in kanji

But then again, kanji and Chinese script have their own nuances

[rough sapphire]

what is the deal with people able to write code that works the way it's designed

[small coral]

isn't that every code

[rough sapphire]

I can write a code right now

that will return an Error

and the end goal was to rename files

[small coral]

you mean "works as intended"

because "works the way it's designed" can be applied to every piece of code

[rough sapphire]

yes

[jovial oriole]

Very interesting

[cinder laurel]

does Rust work well with Emscripten and Emscripten's SDL2 emulation?

I've heard some bad stuff about the Emscripten Rust target from Reddit

[wraith hound]

why do you need emscripten specifically?

why not just wasm32-unknown-unknown?

or wasm32-wasi or whatever

[floral apex]

Emscripten was originally made for C/C++ anyways

[cinder laurel]

Emscripten has builtin SDL web port

I'm not aware of any other SDL ports that are as mature

[wraith hound]

ah idk

[cinder laurel]

It seems like hooking up the Rust SDL2 bindings I've seen to the emscripten target is hard enough, don't feel like wasm32-unknown-unknown is a good idea

Honestly I'm probably gonna go for custom using glutin

[thick ore]

i

i'm thinking

[young shoal]

is there an equivalent to an afterAll in rust? i want to run teardown code after all my tests

[wraith hound]

what does that do?

[young shoal]

so in java, python, whatever, i can run some setup code before all my tests run, say make a db or something. then i can run teardown code after all my tests, to clean stuff up

[wraith hound]

ah no i don't think so if you're talking about the junit thing

[young shoal]

rare rust L

[wraith hound]

but maybe I'm just not aware of it

i wonder if nextest or something can do it

i think it's because the only interaction cargo test has with the test binaries is the exit code

[young shoal]

that's just a test runner though

[wraith hound]

yeah but it does have a different execution model

so i was just wondering if it could

[flint basin]

maybe you could setup a test helper struct and just implement Drop on it?

[young shoal]

i tried that, but i also want there to be only one of the resource for every test. to do that i used static and std::sync::Once, but statics don't get dropped

[wraith hound]

oh in that case you could always do something like...

[flint basin]

i found this https://github.com/markhildreth/test-context

[young shoal]

tried it, but that only does teardown between tests, not after all tests

[wraith hound]

ah

that

nvm, i don't know how you'd do that

since tests are run as separate binaries iirc

[young shoal]

😔 rare rust L

[wraith hound]

have you tried asking in the rust server?

[young shoal]

no, it's too scary

[wraith hound]

the community server is nice

[young shoal]

but also, why is this not a thing that exists lol. every testing framework in like every other language has it

[wraith hound]

^ this would make that practically impossible, no?

unless i have the execution model wrong

[young shoal]

as a language feature? wouldn't it be simple to add another macro that would be like #[test] but just run your code after the tests?

[wraith hound]

no, like how would you get the state of the thing between the tests

[young shoal]

hm?

[wraith hound]

how does the resource move through all of the tests?

if they're all run separately?

i don't think there's even a defined order

[young shoal]

each file in tests/ is compiled separately, but each file can have multiple tests inside

[wraith hound]

those are still compiled separately, no?

or am i being really dumb

[young shoal]

wdym compiled separately

[wraith hound]

like, they're separate binaries that are run i thought

[young shoal]

not each test in a file, just each file

[wraith hound]

oh, i didn't realize that

file or module, specifically?

[young shoal]

um, i think you could have submodules, so module, probably

[wraith hound]

i'm tempted to ask for you because i'm genuinely curious

but i still don't understand how you're passing resources between them tbh

[flint basin]

this is kinda cursed

use tests::*;

fn main() {
    run_tests([foo, bar].to_vec());
}

fn run_tests<T: FnOnce() -> () + std::panic::UnwindSafe>(tests: Vec<T>) {
    println!("setup");
  
    for test in tests {
      let test_res = std::panic::catch_unwind(|| { test() });
  
      if test_res.is_ok() {
        continue;
      } else {
        break;
      }
    }
  
    println!("teardown");
}

mod tests {
    pub fn foo() {
        assert_eq!(1 + 1, 2);
    }

    pub fn bar() {
        assert!(1 == 1);
    }
}

[young shoal]

i just had a

use std::sync::Once;

static mut SETUP: Once = Once::new();
static mut RESOURCE: Option<Server> = None;
fn setup() {
  SETUP.call_once(|| {
    unsafe { *RESOURCE = Some(...) }
  });
}
``` and used that

[wraith hound]

that doesn't remake the resource every time?

color me surprised

[young shoal]

no, that's the point of Once

[wraith hound]

well rather, i mean that i'm surprised the resource's information didn't "reset"

i guess i've just been wrong about the execution

[young shoal]

the funny thing i could do is extract the stuff that makes the server from my main.rs into a lib.rs then use a thread instead of a child process

which sounds like an ok idea 🤔

and theoretically the thread should die

it worked !!

ffs that took too long 😩

compiling rust makes my keyboard too hot to touch

[floral apex]

@dapper dew to what?

[jovial oriole]

A brad

Brad 2.0

[dapper dew]

What's the context?

[floral apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGplZtj_Un0 The creator of The Fancy Pants Adventures games has the name "Brad Bourne"

Brad Bourne Again Shell or Bash

[dapper dew]

Oh neat

[tranquil orchid]

blocking .edu

lmao

[eternal wing]

Hey, this OT name is unnecessarily sarcastic

[dapper dew]

.randomcase

[median dome]

I can't believe you've done this

Your input was invalid: text is a required argument that is missing.

Usage:```
.randomcase <text>

[young shoal]

is this a hacktoberfest PR I smell

[dapper dew]

Probably wouldn't be a bad one, the .uwu can handle replies if I recall

[dapper dew]

.uwu

[median dome]

.wandomcase

[young shoal]

my free shirt is calling

although, surely pydis doesn't participate because spam? I think it's better this year though

[distant hazel]

why's it better this year?

[thick ore]

.

.randomcase aaiaisjgdijf

[median dome]

AaiaISJGDIjf

[jaunty wraith]

[floral apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U0DoDiINaw we are all made out of Kirby

[thick ore]

i have a name idea for another shell

it is called "flash", ideally made in Rust (because flash fast yk)

it will surely get a million GitHub stars

[floral apex]

Adobe would like to sue you

[thick ore]

uhhh

[tardy rain]

Is it blazingly fast?

[thick ore]

🚀 Blazingly fast 🚀 🌑

[floral apex]

Can't also do rush since Microsoft already took that

https://rushjs.io/

[tardy rain]

Do flsh

[thick ore]

then it will look like fish

[tardy rain]

Or blsh

[floral apex]

😳

[west scroll]

Wrong emojis should be 🔥⚡ Blazingly Fast ⚡🔥

[young shoal]

nah the rocket is accurate

[young shoal]

hash

heroically awesome shell

[floral apex]

shit, shell is turbocharged

[ionic bane]

Pizza pringles are quite delicious

[agile mesa]

What is better a laptop with i3 gen 12 or i5 gen 11?

[flint basin]

if you need more performance go for i5. if you don't care just get the i3. I would personally go with a Ryzen system over both options though

[agile mesa]

I did compare i3 to ryzen 5500u and i3 gen 12 seemed much better overall

[flint basin]

which i3 gen 12

[tardy rain]

no thoughts at all

[topaz aurora]

I can live without Tate's advice

[tardy rain]

wouldnt even call it that

good for you

[topaz aurora]

That's great

[tardy rain]

aw now youre ruining it

[topaz aurora]

[tardy rain]

what about the literal ponzi scheme he has going

[young shoal]

is this what made you want to drop out of uni

[tardy rain]

tate is a certified scam artist

should have stuck to boxing

it was a pyramid scheme and everyone knows it

[topaz aurora]

So the point was to get more memberships w/o any real product of value

[young shoal]

discord?

[tardy rain]

the product here is you get to listen to andy tate hot takes

[topaz aurora]

Why was it made unavailable?

[tardy rain]

because it was lol

also why would i know what some scammer is up to

doesnt seem very newsworthy imo

i know what he was up to, does that not count?

[topaz aurora]

I know he has very cookie cutter takes, both mediocre and outright terrible

and he doesn't seem like the type to grow and be better as a person

Of course, being "better" is highly subjective

But the fact that he encourages this dynamic of "I have a lambo and get girls and you don't therefore I am better" is just silly