or that's backwards
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
JS, when reduced to fundamental principles, is quite consistent
it's just that the results of that are a mess
[] + []
[] + {}
{} + []
{} + {}
this thing can be logically deduced
C++ is a high-level language
vocal basin
JS is a wtf-level language
primal shadow
JS is fun
scarlet halo
> [] + 1
'1'
how the fuck is an empty array plus an integer equal to a string
calm ginkgo
well the recent versions are better these days
vocal basin
```js
[] + []
[] + {}
{} + []
{} + {}
```
this thing can be logically deduced
@scarlet halo see this
primal shadow
```js
> [] + 1
'1'
```
how the fuck is an empty array plus an integer equal to a...
because it didn't throw an error
vocal basin
[]+x is ""+x
{}+x is 0+x
calm ginkgo
but yeah it's not a running candidate for best language ever
vocal basin
```js
[] + []
[] + {}
{} + []
{} + {}
```
this thing can be logically deduced
by that logic, you can derive these values
scarlet halo
<@710856373675491381> see this
> [] + []
''
> [] + {}
'[object Object]'
> {} + []
'[object Object]'
> {} + {}
'[object Object][object Object]'
yeah this is worse
vocal basin
```js
> [] + []
''
> [] + {}
'[object Object]'
> {} + []
'[object Object]'
> {} ...
this is non-standard
primal shadow
```js
> [] + []
''
> [] + {}
'[object Object]'
> {} + []
'[object Object]'
> {} ...
I got a different
scarlet halo
vocal basin
this is the default expected answer
candid spire
Django?
wise loom
I want to go to Africa so I can learn JS and how to make low-budget action movies
scarlet halo
yeah im running it in a Node.js console, so it's different ye
primal shadow
Generally racism isn't OK
and calling otu a whole continent isn't racist
it's just ignorant
vocal basin
std::vector<bool> is just a disaster, the poster example of C++ having gone through bad times
calm ginkgo
though it was going to be a movie reference
vocal basin
and calling otu a whole continent isn't racist
or both ✅
wise loom
it was just a ~~racist~~ bigoted statement
which joke?
scarlet halo
> [] == ![]
true
just write your own language in binary and be a chad
primal shadow
my fave!
vocal basin
`std::vector<bool>` is just a disaster, the poster example of C++ having gone th...
small design oversight turned into by now probably millions of hours wasted
candid spire
candid spire
I like Java
calm ginkgo
awww u have a crush on java?
primal shadow
The only good Java: ☕
candid spire
I learned DSA in Java
vocal basin
fuck larry ellison
don't fall into the trap of anthropomorphising larry ellison
primal shadow
lol
scarlet halo
fuck larry ellison
why are you comparing a language to it's parent company's CEO?
primal shadow
Or his horrible offspring
candid spire
awww u have a crush on java?
Java is my first language
vocal basin
That's great that it's mature, Java still sucks
🚀
primal shadow
why are you comparing a language to it's parent company's CEO?
I'm not, that's just the first bullet on the list
lol
Java is uglier than a disfigured for Mar-A-Lago face blonde
wise loom
Borje: I don't like it (on Go), I don't like it !!!
calm ginkgo
i don't mind the verbosity of java ngl
vocal basin
Java and Go, as languages, are quite simple, from what I understand
primal shadow
i don't mind the verbosity of java ngl
Java is dead, I saw an outdated article about it
vocal basin
Java is dead, I saw an outdated article about it
from 1995
calm ginkgo
Java is dead, I saw an outdated article about it
lol ur so salty still
wise loom
if I had a billion dollars in Africa, it's almost like having a trillion dollars
I wish..
primal shadow
If there exists an outdated piece of information about it, 🪦
vocal basin
zombie tech
vocal basin
oh wait
I misheard the context
anyway
that comment was true about Java too
@heavy zenith in correct JS you can't blockingly read from anywhere, including disk
this needs to be done in IO threads implemented in C/C++/etc.
JS has exactly 1 interpreter thread
C/C++/Fortran/Rust
vocal basin
C/C++/Fortran/Rust
used to be mostly C, now just a mix of everything
heavy zenith
<@788834926899888130> in correct JS you can't blockingly read from anywhere, inc...
well I was talking in general
vocal basin
thanks, numpy, for keeping Fortran alive
candid spire
if I had a billion dollars in Africa, it's almost like having a trillion dollars
Trillion zambian dollar
vocal basin
well I was talking in general
there are asynchronous ways to read from disk
primal shadow
Why the personal attacks?
That's not cool
@solar ridge I recommend checking out #rules
No
vocal basin
there are asynchronous ways to read from disk
some of them aren't available on Linux
primal shadow
rules
they exist
@solar ridge you do not make the rules, we are expected to follow em 🙂
vocal basin
some of them aren't available on Linux
specifically, O_NONBLOCK
primal shadow
Just because you
vocal basin
That's not cool
including for how it creates an appearance of those being okay
primal shadow
think it's OK to say bigote things because you're riffing on someone, doesn't mean you can bash entire populations
vocal basin
so others might feel uncomfortable or feel like they're allowed to do that too
scarlet halo
vocal basin
once C++ hits reflection for real, there is going to be so much more reason to continue using it in gamedev
scarlet halo
vocal basin
while True:
print("Breaking news: Java is dead")
sleep(1 .year)
C is more straightforward than C++
but
wise loom
Trillion zambian dollar
yes instead of being homeless in San Francisco, I'd rather be a King 👑 in Africa
candid spire
scarlet halo
```python
while True:
print("Breaking news: Java is dead")
sleep(1 .year...
while True:
print("this is the year of the linux desktop")
sleep(1 .year)
now implement 1 .year
candid spire
yes instead of being homeless in San Francisco, I'd rather be a King 👑 in Afric...
Empire of iKO
vocal basin
@lavish gazelle short answer: no
it's way too big and inconsistent
there are some things of C++ you actually shouldn't touch
candid spire
Learn what you need!
vocal basin
Bjarne recently resumed the push for using concepts in C++ more actively
and concepts are one of those rare good parts
this is getting weird
or resuming weird
scarlet halo
this is getting weird
i feel like this conversation has been going nowhere for the entire time i've been here
vocal basin
and concepts are one of those rare good parts
somewhat more general than what Rust has
concepts/constraints are to some extent already a way to do reflection in C++
@solar ridge Van Rossum
Uuido, before he joined Microsoft
vocal basin
@heavy zenith it's like those game collections you could buy on a CD but for mobile
primal shadow
You're not even here, why are you replying to me? You're catching and responding to like... 5% of the conversation with zero context
heavy zenith
<@788834926899888130> it's like those game collections you could buy on a CD but...
yup
solar ridge
I can hear it i nyour voice
lmao
vocal basin
@heavy zenith yes, should do peak gameplay instead: minesweeper
heavy zenith
<@788834926899888130> yes, should do peak gameplay instead: minesweeper
100 offline games does have minesweeper
it's my second most played
vocal basin
@solar ridge mixing async runtimes
async is good if you're ready to understand Future::poll
futures-executor
under rust-lang/
primal shadow
devolving IMO
vocal basin
(going back to the social media mentioned)
tiktok: I don't understand this
facebook: banned + never used
instagram: banned + never used
twitter: banned + dying
vk: dead
telegram: has no algorithm/I couldn't find where recommendations are
leaving great life with only Discord and YouTube as social media, for maximal isolation
vocal basin
`async` is good if you're ready to understand `Future::poll`
actually, more specifically implementing Stream::poll_next helped me more
scarlet halo
(going back to the social media mentioned)
tiktok: I don't understand this
faceb...
no IRC 🤔
vocal basin
no IRC 🤔
"IRC is good => not social media"
@solar ridge surprisingly, yes
even if I don't want to
vocal basin
introvert+having social skills is an unfortunate combination:
everyone wants to talk to you, and you want to hide away from everyone
primal shadow
My guess is because Grok is right wing trash?
Elon keeps crying about woke things and rigging things, and then he keeps havign engineers tweak Grok to be more fascist
vocal basin
https://tenor.com/view/funny-dog-funny-dog-cat-funny-cat-gif-1242091558837517416...
I was trying to look up "cat" on my computer but the only thing that came up was this
primal shadow
Because when it speaks freely and shares truth, it hurts his world view
scarlet halo
I was trying to look up "cat" on my computer but the only thing that came up was...
lol
heavy zenith
I was trying to look up "cat" on my computer but the only thing that came up was...
php...
vocal basin
I was trying to look up "cat" on my computer but the only thing that came up was...
what is happening
ah, found what it is
based on the directory
candid spire
@heavy zenith Would you like to join us?
vocal basin
author's name: Luigi
primal shadow
author's name: Luigi
The best author
Reducer of healthcare costs
Good guy Luigi
vocal basin
what's wrong with Netflix?
9 September 2020
@solar ridge knowing how Go doesn't like to export functions,
outer C FFI for Rust,
then Go calls into C FFI
calling Rust from Go is straightforward
inverse is non-trivial
@lavish gazelle why is there no sound in space?
because they use Linux
vocal basin
> what's wrong with Netflix?
9 September 2020
release so bad even Google's AI accidentally censors it out sometimes
solipsism all the way
"none of you are real, only I am real"
I'm not real, because I'm at least in part imaginary
!d complex
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
instagram is jealousy creation machine
vocal basin
instagram is jealousy creation machine
part of the problem is the culture of other people excluding those who don't participate in this fake stuff
kind of like push-for-fashion/push-for-trends
vocal basin
part of the problem is the culture of other people excluding those who don't par...
I think this is more of a prominent problem in US/Canada/Europe/Russia, as a direct result of what media does
primal shadow
vulnerable
vocal basin
what is happening
lines 4 and 5 are somewhat off?
!e
print(chr(189), chr(188))
print(chr(190), chr(179))
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | ½ ¼
002 | ¾ ³
random trivia: for bit manipulation, the most convenient language currently is probably Erlang
lavish gazelle
He wrote a simple programe that takes a list of numbers and find the square root of each a billion times and he's C code was faster than my rust
vocal basin
He wrote a simple programe that takes a list of numbers and find the square root...
what does it do with the square root?
for certain things, even GCC will just delete your code if you're not doing it weirdly enough
sees you're doing the same thing => removes your loop
lavish gazelle
what does it do with the square root?
We tried 2 ways bite manupulation like number << 2, and also number = number * number
vocal basin
with C I expect the compiler to replace doing nothing in a for loop with nothing
GNU Compiler Collection
Zig is migrating away from LLVM
Rust is remaining with LLVM
Zig are very eagerly re-doing everything for all architectures they can
Zig is a C compiler with its own separately maintained standard library
vocal basin
random trivia: for bit manipulation, the most convenient language currently is p...
tokenisation confusion
0b syntax was non-existent before C23
MSVC
/ VC++
primal shadow
There's many reason to hate M$FT
lavish gazelle
vocal basin
just fork the compiler and automatically insert the import?
Go relies on Git, not specifically GitHub, iirc
Go had a weird history around that
specifically:
«we don't have versions
why?
because software shouldn't have versions
why?
idk, we're Google, we're right
»
there have been numerous weird choices
and just odd design errors
Go isn't designed to have less code at all
having difficulties with understanding exceptions across packages? just use Java
@lavish gazelle in Java you can't miss an exception during handling
checked exceptions are useful
this is part of that verbosity
@solar ridge it might be a "verbosity culture"/ecosystem rather than language forcing verbosity naturally
Java has mechanisms to reduce it
C++ is finally getting those mechanisms just now- oh wait, we couldn't do that on time, in C++29
@lavish gazelle use dtrace and similar things
you can use those even in prod
even with Docker
even across VMs
databases belong in containers.
databases belong in containers.
databases belong in containers.
this has been the case since long before Docker
with Jails and Zones
@lavish gazelle develop as you do, but also check in Docker locally before deploying
vocal basin
<@969393422504968192> use `dtrace` and similar things
also this, and other mechanisms for introducing observability in prod
Nix and Zig try to push against the Docker-in-dev everything culture to some extent
mostly by making it less necessary
with them you don't get networking and stuff but you do get more reliable and isolated builds
(assuming non-malicious and non-dangerously-stupid code being built)
docker run -p 6379:6379 -it --rm --name redis-but-open-source valkey/valkey:9-alpine
lavish gazelle
vocal basin
well, that's cursed
"docker is TERRIBLE, use PODMAN instead"
something something
postgri
wait Latin doesn't work that way
lavish gazelle
well, *that's* cursed
It is
lavish gazelle
https://github.com/openimis/openimis-dist_dkr
This breakes all the time
vocal basin
This breakes all the time
🚀
vocal basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgmA48fILq8
amber raptor
"docker is TERRIBLE, use PODMAN instead"
No don’t.
vocal basin
I haven't seen any reasonable use cases for podman except for when docker doesn't work at all
lavish gazelle
wise loom
No don’t.
But Rabbit 🐇, Podman is more secure and doesn’t require a dockerd with root privileges. Are we saying we don’t care for security?
amber raptor
But Rabbit 🐇, Podman is more secure and doesn’t require a dockerd with root pri...
Yes
amber raptor
API: GraphQL with Graphene-Django. Oh yea, I love things no one needs
lavish gazelle
API: GraphQL with Graphene-Django. Oh yea, I love things no one needs
Graphql is nice
vocal basin
GraphQL turned into over-fetching on server side
solar ridge
i love how it went from technical to geographical
amber raptor
GraphQL turned into over-fetching on server side
And introduces leaking data in a ton of setups
vocal basin
signing
amber raptor
We have JWT with API Keys, at end of day, it's just JSON
vocal basin
@lavish gazelle if you need to manage sessions, that's a separate concept
it's possible to use both
with JWT you make rejection very fast and without access to the DB
amber raptor
JWT are compromise between needing to annoy authorization service every request and hard static API Key
vocal basin
gRPC
(somewhen ago)
have you heard of your lord and saviour, TIPC?
✅ doesn't work with internet
✅ doesn't work with Docker
something to prove cops who you are
phone with TikTok installed and a beard, good enough for Russian military police
sessions
JWT may be an implementation detail thereof
@amber raptor no server-side state
amber raptor
some services may call authenication service first time a token shows up then cache valid response
it's all about your security profile
vocal basin
with JWT you make *rejection* very fast and without access to the DB
again, it ends up as just this
expired/never valid to begin with => insta-explodes
that was likely misheard
vocal basin
Nuxt
(this was misheard by me)
so many same names everywhere
JITted specifically
Python is compiled too
but only to bytecode
and that bytecode is interpreted
Python is finally getting JIT
maybe by 3.89 it will even be functioning
vocal basin
before starlite renamed into litestar?
vocal basin
the Haskell pattern: MMM
ModelModelModel
can't view and can't control
or just M
all those Neovim fans are about to re-introduce COBOL because it has native TUI support
amber raptor
when I dealt with Aviation, there was foxpro system for dealing with part maintenance
It's the 3 Million to greenlit replacement vs 750k/yrly
vocal basin
(the word is polyglot)
amber raptor
Yea, very few people in polyglot
biggest benefit to someone who has used X thing for a while is they know where bodies are buried
vocal basin
@frosty garnet steam just slightly extended Wine and Arch
(as far as end result goes, not the amount of effort, which was likely quite high)
I thought of buying ARC Raiders
but I'll wait for a sale
vocal basin
I thought of buying ARC Raiders
Tarkov: pay twice, get 0 finished games
FH5 works better for me on Linux
as in it doesn't work on my Windows installation at all
amber raptor
vocal basin
Forza Horizon 5
made by Microsoft, doesn't work on Windows 🚀
I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, there are no logs
I'm used to CS:GO freezing for a ~second on Windows, so probably already used enough to latency spikes
Proton is built on Wine
Steam's Wine fork
+stuff
Proton uses a fork of Wine, isn't a just a fork of Wine
I might have Spotify installed and not even know
Window also, like, used to pre-install Candy Crush or whatever
mac has dtrace
who needs colours anyway
wise cargoBOT
Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.
vocal basin
line 1
vocal basin
I was so appalled by import os I missed import socket entirely
frosty garnet
I was so appalled by `import os` I missed `import socket` entirely
??? what's wrong with import os???
vocal basin
??? what's wrong with import os???
!d pathlib
wise cargoBOT
Added in version 3.4.
Source code: Lib/pathlib/
This module offers classes representing filesystem paths with semantics appropriate for different operating systems. Path classes are divided between pure paths, which provide purely computational operations without I/O, and concrete paths, which inherit from pure paths but also provide I/O operations.
...
lavish gazelle
pathlib is so easy to use
vocal basin
the only okay-ish thing there is os.environ and friends
lavish gazelle
After loading the env data using load_env from dot-env
frosty garnet
hm. yeah I don't have a problem using os.
vocal basin
hm. yeah I don't have a problem using os.
is this supposed to crash on time-of-check-time-of-use race?
if os.path.isfile("scheduler.lock"):
os.remove("scheduler.lock")
or do you just want to remove the file regardless of what's happening?
if the latter,
Path("scheduler.lock").unlink(missing_ok=True)
frosty garnet
is this supposed to crash on time-of-check-time-of-use race?
```py
if os.path.is...
it's a funky way to exit the task scheduler from the mounted filesystem
vocal basin
if the latter,
```py
Path("scheduler.lock").unlink(missing_ok=True)
```
this just deletes the file
if it exists
and doesn't crash if it gets deleted after the first check
vocal basin
??? what's wrong with import os???
it's kind of just an experience thing, like Rabbit said earlier about "knowing where the bodies are buried", and os is straight up a graveyard in that metaphor
frosty garnet
is it?
amber raptor
vocal basin
import os and relateds require a lot of justification/excuse to even consider including
@primal shadow don't use Python inside OS Kernel, yes it does matter
@frosty garnet what the fuck?
like, go learn the standard library
literally os on most instances says you to go elsewhere
@frosty garnet is your code supposed to crash on the race condition you have there?
there is
vocal basin
is this supposed to crash on time-of-check-time-of-use race?
```py
if os.path.is...
this section
primal shadow
I STRONGLY recommend not sharing code if you get personally offended when people offer advice
vocal basin
process 1 process 2
if os.path.isfile("scheduler.lock"):
if os.path.isfile("scheduler.lock"):
os.remove("scheduler.lock")
os.remove("scheduler.lock") # crash
If you don't like constructive criticism, don't open yourself up to it 🙂
vocal basin
is it supposed to crash when someone else deletes the lock file between the check and remove?
so it's not on purpose?
it's fine if it's out of scope
just unclear from the code
if you want to delete a file if it exists, use an existing implementation
import os is a red flag
very bright
for MANY reasons
vocal basin
for MANY reasons
including that such code is more likely to have been AI-generated
frosty garnet
I've seen enough of that getting misused, and you just show another example
right ...
vocal basin
another reason:
os is often taught at schools/universities which
- have outdated courses
- can't be bothered explaining correct uses
frosty garnet
i acknowledge the feedback thank you very much for it
i'll have to swap out import os pronto
vocal basin
os.environ is surprisingly good and sound compared to the rest of os
and somewhat high-level
it kind of has to
mostly because when that gets misused, it's not just some logical, it's a segfault
iirc os.environ gets initialised once somewhen around the first access
os.urandom is fine too, BUT it's also re-exported in secrets
most of the system/fork stuff is handled through threading, subprocess, multiprocessing
some is re-exported through platform
have linter/error messages returned on paper too
single A4 paper
missing ;
heavy zenith
vocal basin
❌ struggling
✅ non-prodigy
frosty garnet
@vocal basin added missing_ok=True to os.remove. Thanks for the catching the race condition
vocal basin
that's Path.unlink-exclusive, from what I see
the only something_ok= I can see in os is with os.makedirs(..., exist_ok=True)
@heavy zenith @somber heath infinite debt 📈🚀
frosty garnet
alright i'm getting rid of import os ...
vocal basin
<@788834926899888130> <@317279909112446976> infinite debt 📈🚀
wdym "not in wherever you're from"?
you're, like, both in Kangarooschnitzelstate
or are those two separate countries?
heavy zenith
wdym "not in wherever you're from"?
you're, like, both in Kangarooschnitzelstate
ok buddy
vocal basin
or are those two separate countries?
expect more jokes like this in the future
vocal basin
<@788834926899888130> <@317279909112446976> infinite debt 📈🚀
perpetual bond => perpetual mortgage
from what I remember from research on UBI, giving people without a job money is, counter-intuitively, incentive and opportunity enough for them to get a job
heavy zenith
from what I remember from research on UBI, giving people without a job money is,...
if someone is serverly disabled they're going to need assistance in form of either money or help with food and basic necessities
vocal basin
UBI isn't source of wealth
the typical way to implement it is negative taxation
want to offset giving money to poor people? tax the rich
then tax the rich more
Soviet Union somewhat disagrees with "only"
trickle down economics is based upon faulty science, if that's where you're going with that
1991
@ember fog yes, we can judge by bottom 1% and we should
@somber heath given Kazakhstan was still part of the Soviet Union when Russia left, do we consider Borat as part of the Cold War?
both median and mean are seriously wrong
in one case you ignore bottom ~99%, in the other you ignore bottom 50%
you ignore the wrong side of the cut-off
vocal basin
random reminder that French committed a bombing attack against Greenpeace
(since French got mentioned)
primal shadow
somber heath
"None of the people our ancestors fucked over are alive anymore, and we weren't the ones who did it either, so our hands are clean, we got ours, bugger off."
vocal basin
why does he have like a part of a speech bubble near his head
ah, it's a star allegedly
somber heath
I don't think they look similar, but they strike a similar note.
primal shadow
That image not as much
but when you look up steve miller goebbels (sp?) you get a lot of side by sides
vocal basin
there was some photo where there was a Steve Miller and another person which was very similar to him
-# (Jon Stewart commented on that)
upgraded from divisive to multiplicative
vocal basin
@somber heath they always have been
@primal shadow "guns don't kill people, bullets do" or whatever they say
somber heath
lavish gazelle
nice
vocal basin
@somber heath possibly even political signage on the garbage truck
who knows who knows
primal shadow
Ooh, all gone
The sound wasn't working -> the speakers weren't plugged in. Tech support for my favorite users.
paper wolf
<@221417491136512010> "guns don't kill people, bullets do" or whatever they say
*knife don't kill people, the sharpness do
somber heath
*knife don't kill people, the sharpness do
"He's got two guns and you've got one spear. You'll run out of spear before he runs out of gun!"
"Yes, but his gun will run out of bang before my knife runs out of sharp."
Excerpt from Terry Pratchett's Nation.
scarlet halo
tacit crane
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4D22AQHS_O6iE5UEWg/feedshare-shrink_2048_1...
I literally just saw that.
in linked in
solar ridge
she just woke up
vocal basin
I've been working for ~4 hours (meeting time excluded)
I sleep twice a day sometimes => shorter duration
I think I only have the timezone listed on GitLab (GMT+3)
(and all my dev computers are in UTC)
vocal basin
@midnight agate ok
@midnight agate everything other than "name" was inaudible
(rule 9 but we do know this is non-entirely-serious)
@mighty linden don't ask people if they're hiring/if they can refer you somewhere randomly, because that will eventually run into rule 9, even in DMs, if happens repeatedly
mighty linden
it came out of context people were talking abt that
vocal basin
<@1068834003349667920> don't ask people if they're hiring/if they can refer you ...
also no one is really going to be ready to take the responsibility for doing that if they haven't worked/collaborated with you directly previously
@midnight agate random useless information: I might've recently crossed the 10K contributions per year line
likely because of all the microcommitting and tagging that's happening
mostly Rust-containing repositories
combined
across hosts
vocal basin
across hosts
GitHub, Codeberg, local Forgejo, local Gitea, work Forgejo
and absolutely nothing on GitLab
vocal basin
different CI, less integrated with the world compared to GitHub
as far as public stuff goes
(non-self-hosted)
if I ever switch off GitHub but still want stuff hosted publicly with CI, it's going to be Codeberg with my own CI runners
ruby wraith
Hi
vocal basin
I think this used to include Cargo?
so either never happened or discontinued
possibly because involves more logic than just plain file storage
amber raptor
primal shadow
Who needs to memorize when you can search
While I excel at exams, they are so dumb generally speaking
boss is never gonna say, do this thing, alone, in the dark
they're gonna say, use what's available, anything, get it done
like memorize this
the table is not available ever
in life
I know
That's what I'm saying
memorizing shit liek this is tupid
because it's an available table
That's my point, sure exams, that's it
exams test for...
how good you are at taking exams
wind raptor
Pretty good
primal shadow
nothing to do with actual skills in reality
wind raptor
But I like to just cram at the end
primal shadow
Memorize for a day
Really why exams are garbage, but like I said, I generally excelled at them, so they saved my skin many times
Have you used theThingYouNeedExactly()?
"That doesn't exist..."
I'm sorry, have you tried theOtherThingThatDoesNotExist()?
FuckinAI
I like to say, it can make an image that passes, until actual inspection
so it does the same to code
six fingers
teeth on teeth
.replaceAll('fight club', 'video perms')
That is such a good skit
Then they came back for another
tardy tusk
hello guys
craggy vale
😂 CHAPTER 1 — THE REINFORCEMENT LEARNING PROBLEM (No Bullshit Version)
vocal basin
craggy vale
?
scarlet halo
!paste
wise cargoBOT
scarlet halo
vocal basin
scarlet halo
i don't even know if this works 😭
vocal basin
it looks perfect with a monospace font trust me
it is monospace there too
just different tab sizes
seems like
vocal basin
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/NJOQ
looks mostly okay
not fundamentally broken, that is
realloc is cursed but can't really do much about it, it's just a weirdness in the C standard
defaulting to 256 capacity is a bit optimistic about how much you're going to put in there
vocal basin
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/NJOQ
there's an option to separate all the function pointers into a vtable
scarlet halo
~/Documents/C/vec.h/ ./a.out
Vector contents:
my_vec[0] = 10
my_vec[1] = 20
my_vec[2] = 30
After deleting index 1:
my_vec[0] = 10
my_vec[1] = 30
did a little bit of fixing, works with an example
vocal basin
consequences of the consequences
continuous consequences
this looks slightly uncentered
scarlet halo
this looks slightly uncentered
slightly
vocal basin
@wind raptor supporting a small indie studio by buying 30th Assassin's Creed in a row
and doing all in-game purchases, you know, for the new emerging devs
small 20k employees indie studio
🚀
wind raptor
exactly
vocal basin
I like what Space Engineers did
wind raptor
I like what Space Engineers did
I have the original game, but not the new one
vocal basin
cosmetics and scenarios through a ton of DLCs
each update is new content for the base game + cosmetics in a DLC
because there are people like me who will just buy all of it anyway
600mbps for $100 a year
@molten pewter I pay around $25/month but that does vary depending on usage quite a lot
playing tetris effect was quite an expensive experience
scarlet halo
vocal basin
so called "generic" programming
shouldn't start small or big -- should start with something, of any scale (since if you're a beginner you can't even compare scale yet), where the goal is clear
solar ridge
shouldn't start small or big -- should start with something, of any scale (sin...
right
fast jolt
lol
vocal basin
remember: std::vector<bool> is not a collection (it's not even std::vector)
craggy vale
that's really hard to build something in ai without a GPU 😭
no cuda no tensor no pytorch 😭
why I have limitations 😭
scarlet halo
remember: `std::vector<bool>` is *not* a collection (it's not even `std::vector`...
why would you even think of using std::vector<bool>
vocal basin
why would you even think of using `std::vector<bool>`
also known as std::bitset_but_bad
std::blunder
solar ridge
why I have limitations 😭
what do you want to build?
vocal basin
@scarlet halo resizing on remove is somewhat dubious, there are reasons why it's usually not done
instead you'd have reserve and shrink_to_fit separately
@scarlet halo if the size fluctuates, you end up reallocing a lot
without a reason
so need to decide based on usage
mighty linden
Is that c++ ? You all talking about?
craggy vale
what do you want to build?
it's not like that I'm making my own LLM model around now 1 years still working on a PS4 + pi + ai nas + i3 laptop full clustring devices
it not support anything no tersor no pytorch no cuda
making own OS own deep learning framework to train full LLM model my model is not like a LLM model it's multi agent model somehow I train 3B model from full scratch
mighty linden
I was told just to use pointers to expand 
vocal basin
if you're `realloc`ing in C++, something has likely gone wrong
std::vector can't do that, for reasons
moving values needs both old and new allocations to be present
lavish gazelle
`std::vector` can't do that, for reasons
We talking about rust??
mighty linden
Build like a linked list
scarlet halo
We talking about rust??
std::vector is C++, we're talking about C/C++
lavish gazelle
std::vector is C++, we're talking about C/C++
AIt
vocal basin
though I guess with Rust it's somewhat safer
scarlet halo
https://github.com/Spelis/vec.h/blob/main/vec.h @lavish gazelle
vocal basin
because Rust's move is just a memory copy
unlike C++
where it's non-destructive and potentially more complicated
lavish gazelle
https://github.com/Spelis/vec.h/blob/main/vec.h <@969393422504968192>
You built your own vector impl using macros??
I am not a C++ guy
Just started learning in like a week ago
scarlet halo
i don't think he liked it....
scarlet halo
You built your own vector impl using macros??
yes
vocal basin
You built your own vector impl using macros??
that specific one is C
so no templates
lavish gazelle
that specific one is C
Ahh I see
vocal basin
ifdef C++ extern C
or whatever that looks like
so these horrors can be reused in C++ too
@scarlet halo https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/vec/vec.html
potentially useful reading material
though for a different language
mighty linden
What language should one learn after python??
vocal basin
Jinja2
calm ginkgo
What language should one learn after python??
~~python 2 ~~
mighty linden
🥴
scarlet halo
What language should one learn after python??
Brainfuck
vocal basin
to learn more about Python's internals -- C
to just have something which works as is if you want to make Python faster -- Rust
, or Fortran if you hate yourself
calm ginkgo
on a serious note, it's up to you, depends on what career you want
scarlet halo
learn Cobol
lavish gazelle
learn Cobol
Lolz
vocal basin
, or Fortran if you hate yourself
numpy.f2pain
mighty linden
That's python library
vocal basin
!d numpy.f2py
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
Fortran bindings for Python
mighty linden
I'm serious 🙏 no cobol fortan please
vocal basin
@solar ridge he always is
vocal basin
how do you build a library?
first, you find books
then the building and shelves spawn around them
vocal basin
~~Jinja2~~
if you want to go the web route, then is is a genuine answer
@lavish gazelle because PHP
Laravel has some quite good new stuff
mighty linden
But how you build a Library 💀
vocal basin
But how you build a Library 💀
rule 1: don't build a framework
mighty linden
Yeah use framework to build app and make 💰
vocal basin
frameworks and libraries are two different views on making reusable software
frameworks generally don't like to coexist with each other, but not always
mighty linden
Let's collaborate on a project?? Anyone?
mighty linden
Let's build our own chatting app that don't store any data client heavy chat app
vocal basin
@upper basin "you've been working,
or it was just a dream, and you actually just woke up"
wind raptor
<@373121697957543946>
Sorry, forgot I was in a call on here.
timid quartz
@solar ridge
vocal basin
@upper basin VIBE SCALE
V stands for vibes
V stands for vapourware
@upper basin remember we had this person here, Dustin (blue pfp), who used to go on rants about how great his ideas are
and then got banned
@upper basin "easiest to impress...
... if code exists"
vocal basin
<@664667836605661217> remember we had this person here, Dustin (blue pfp), who u...
in retrospect, it's a bit unfortunate we didn't shut them down early enough
fake it till you fake it even more
🚀
infinifake
wise cargoBOT
python/src/hhat_lang/toolchain/cli/cli.py lines 38 to 41
def version_callback(value: bool):
if value:
print("[blue]H-hat Language Toolchain[/blue] version 0.1.0")
raise typer.Exit()```peak boolean parameter
whole bear
Anyone got 5 mins to help me im new to s3rver and stuff and wanna learn sth but I prefer to talk to someone one on one because I feel more comfortable
vocal basin
wise cargoBOT
rust/hhat_lang/src/hhat_core/src/data/core.rs line 27
fn is_quantum(&self) -> bool;```rust/hhat_lang/src/hhat_core/src/mem/type_container.rs line 24
pub fn assign_data<T>(&mut self, data: T) {}```@upper basin ^
(this doesn't pass cargo check)
🚀
@upper basin more made-up terms
@upper basin heap.rs
wise cargoBOT
rust/hhat_lang/src/hhat_core/Cargo.toml line 4
edition = "2021"```@upper basin they're also re-implementing hashing for whatever reason
ah, it actually doesn't compile
@midnight agate the problem with that person is that they're a toxic asshole, seemingly
not just delusional
@midnight agate the context was that this person got added in some group chat where they don't belong
so now need not to just block, but also convince to kick that person
it's an ongoing problem
"just block" doesn't work
upper basin
so now need not to just block, but also convince to kick that person
I don't want to create drama there, just know he's gonna be spamming all the time.
With his bs.
I may block him so at least it doesn't notify me each time.
calm ginkgo
i know what you mean, i had to make my own server because the servers i were on were spammed by people plaugued by AI pyschosis
it's annoying to deal with
upper basin
If it was blind hate, I wouldn't have given his repo third and fourth chances and attended his talk. I hate his pretentious guts, that's all. Now he's basically gonna be trying to do constant talks in that group.
upper basin
ah, it actually doesn't compile
I wonder how he's even running GA for tests.
Does he even have testers?
I didn't see any testers.
vocal basin
you can do the basic minimum of warning the person who you said seemed enthusiastic about that project too
vocal basin
I wonder how he's even running GA for tests.
G__H__A
(usually shortened to that)
GHA, GHES, etc.
upper basin
My bad. I'll check if his GHA even runs tests.
craggy vale
My gta 5 graphics mod
vocal basin
Lamport
and Liskov in later years
responsible for PAXOS and VSR
why does it have eyes
VSR seems to be slightly obscure
TigerBeetle uses it
inland citrus
please verify mi
vocal basin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
webscalen't
amber raptor
https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/video/videos.html
Expensive web hosting
vocal basin
TiKV
I haven't used these
somewhen possibly
@solar ridge and so is Surreal "benchmarks? what benchmarks?" DB
they already pivoted to AI
this isn't really a DB
it's, like, GraphQL but messier
amber raptor
Anything distributed DB requires decent programmer and that’s where issues start
vocal basin
they already pivoted to AI
less cropped
lavish gazelle
they already pivoted to AI
Was trying this tbh
vocal basin
Unlock intelligence.
aaaaaaa
amber raptor
they already pivoted to AI
Sure, money people want to see AI
lavish gazelle
less cropped
Was building a django integration: https://github.com/Legacy-Engineers/django-surrealdb
vocal basin
NEVER put this in a database
lavish gazelle
NEVER put this in a database
why??
calm ginkgo
just store everything in a csv people..it's the best way...
amber raptor
just store everything in a csv people..it's the best way...
JSON files are best
lavish gazelle
data loss guarantee
Instresting
vocal basin
just store everything in a csv people..it's the best way...
open notepad.exe
instruct AI to put CSV inside using the mouse cursor
instruct AI to click the AI button to call another AI to fill stuff in
instruct AI to save the file (optional)
lavish gazelle
JSON files are best
Kinda heavy for some people
calm ginkgo
JSON files are best
even better 🙂
amber raptor
Yes, XML
vocal basin
4+ potential buyers
lavish gazelle
> 4+ potential buyers
hahhah
upper basin
Why does planting carrots need wood?
primal shadow
is_phony
scarlet halo
@upper basin i've played that game before lol
upper basin
<@664667836605661217> i've played that game before lol
I have half a mind to hack the game and give myself billions of each resource.
I want to unlock multiple drones.
scarlet halo
have you unlocked mazes yet?
upper basin
have you unlocked mazes yet?
Not yet, it's soooo far away.
scarlet halo
lmao it's been a while since i played this, i don't even recall how far in the game i am
upper basin
lmao it's been a while since i played this, i don't even recall how far in the g...
Does it continue when you close it?
Like passive farming.
scarlet halo
🤷 i have no idea, what if i download it again and i have quadrillions of everything 😂
this is so sad
upper basin
this is so sad
HAH
I reeeallly want multiple drones.
ALOT
Just allocate one drone per lane.
scarlet halo
lol that would be amazing
upper basin
I'm gonna let it run till I wake up.
I'm gonna be so rich in wood.
Everyone is gonna be so jealous of how much wood I'm gonna have.
I'm gonna go sleep. Spelis, if you're on during my time, I'd love to play with you.
scarlet halo
I'm gonna go sleep. Spelis, if you're on during my time, I'd love to play with y...
what's your timezone?
lavish gazelle
vocal basin
I don't remember to have ever attended a hackathon
basic requirement: join it
even if it's just local
even for your own sake, commit so you have change history
anything goes wrong => you have git reflog and git log to the rescue
primal shadow
theodinproject
primal shadow
simple escarp
@rich sphinx
@primal shadow wake up i wanna talk quick i did the code
!send_code
help
input1 = input("Enter : ")
list1 = list("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz")
char = list1.copy()
key = random.shuffle(char)
# print(list1)
# print(key)
a = list1
# print(random.shuffle(char))
#
# print(a)
# print(char)
def encoder(input2,char):
keys = input2
value = char
storage = dict(zip(keys,value))
return storage.values()
def decoder(input,char):
return dict(zip(input,char)).keys()
print(encoder(input1,char))
print(decoder(input1,char))
@primal shadow \
yup i did it
primal shadow
!e```py
import random
input1 = "The snozzberries taste like snozberries"
list1 = list("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz")
char = list1.copy()
key = 8
print(list1)
print(key)
a = list1
print(random.shuffle(char))
print(a)
print(char)
def encoder(input2,char):
keys = input2
value = char
storage = dict(zip(keys,value))
return storage.values()
def decoder(input,char):
return dict(zip(input,char)).keys()
print(encoder(input1,char))
print(decoder(input1,char))```
wise cargoBOT
!e```py
import random
input1 = "The snozzberries taste like snozberries"
list1 =...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | dict_values(['a', 'b', 'v', 'w', 't', 'f', 'g', 'i', 'j', 'm', 'y', 'u', 's', 'x', 'z'])
002 | dict_keys(['T', 'h', 'e', ' ', 's', 'n', 'o', 'z', 'b', 'r', 'i', 't', 'a', 'l', 'k'])
I'm not convinced it's complete.
A shift of 8 on The snozzberries taste like snozberries should give Bpm avwhhjmzzqma biabm tqsm avwhjmzzqma
You might be almost there, but still a step or two shy
somber heath
```import random
input1 = input("Enter : ")
list1 = list("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv...
Have you met my friends, str.maketrans and str.translate?
!e py trans = str.maketrans('abc', 'ABC') text = "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." result = text.translate(trans) print(result)
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
trans = str.maketrans('abc', 'ABC')
text = "The quick brown fox jumps o...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
The quiCk Brown fox jumps over the lAzy dog.
@hollow zenith👋
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
hollow zenith
Oh okay thanks
somber heath
@hollow pollen👋
vocal basin
the moment has come, I'm making my own SSH server
somber heath
SSH! Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're making servwers.
vocal basin
are there even any numbers?
@primal shadow @molten pewter
@somber heath they tried, it got declined
iirc
@primal shadow they're ✅ good enough to work at Ford
spend 2 minutes taking that into account, then spend 2 minutes preparing to plan
scarlet halo
hey @vocal basin, i made the vec.h library more like std::vector. no automatic shrinking now. and no method-like stuff, a bunch more functions
somber heath
@little valve👋
scarlet halo
also i DID make the delete function just move the last element in the vector to the deleted spot, but maybe i'll make another function to keep the rest of the order
vocal basin
also i DID make the delete function just move the last element in the vector to ...
that's order-breaking, not really expected of vector to behave like that by default
it becomes more of an index-set this way
scarlet halo
yeah i only thought about this now...
vocal basin
Rust calls that operation swap_remove
because it's swap then pop
@somber heath for me it kind of feels like I lost the capacity to really panic, at some point, possibly one of brain issues side effects, as usual;
there is some sort of missing connection from anxiety to panicking;
weird stuff
dry marlin
R u playing games
vocal basin
I was playing Peglin earlier
vocal basin
I was playing Peglin earlier
mildly exploiting the game by using such a forbidden tool as thinking
scarlet halo
What y’all doing
i'm writing some library that i can almost guarantee no one will use
unreal needle
hi bro
dry marlin
💦
scarlet halo
primal shadow
dry marlin
https://tenor.com/PlaG.gif
💦
unreal needle
primal shadow
vocal basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1414769804824543333/o...
self-awareness hit in a very unfortunate way
dry marlin
https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812
Water 💦
vocal basin
self-awareness hit in a very unfortunate way
-# (Evil (her name) being sad that Evil exists)
scarlet halo
Yeagerest can you stop with the emojis
dry marlin
You guys are yapping too much, bro a fruit is a fruit or vegetables and vegetable that’s it
scarlet halo
-# (Evil (her name) being sad that Evil exists)
yes lol
dry marlin
Fruit
vocal basin
berry
scarlet halo
meat
vocal basin
(tomato is one of those which are technically berries)
vocal basin
aren't bananas also considered berries
seems like yes
vocal basin
Yeagerest PLEASE stop
they've already been reported to ModMail, but feel free to do the same
dry marlin
Birb
somber heath
🍆
While I'm far from prudish, there is a time, place and context to post certain emojis, to say nothing of moderated frequency.
dry marlin
they've already been reported to ModMail, but feel free to do the same
Why I was asking normal questions
dry marlin
While I'm far from prudish, there is a time, place and context to post certain e...
You don’t like eggplant I like roasted eggplant
They good
If you make it good
scarlet halo
Yeagerest you're throwing me off with the things that you're asking.
paper wolf
chill your emoji, you'll get banned easily
vocal basin
remember Gofek?
paper wolf
its parrot and duck bruh
vocal basin
<@317279909112446976> specifically with regards to 🦜 and 🦆
iirc 2023?
July
@somber heath Narnia stole the election
clearly
and Gensokyo
scarlet halo
@vocal basin any thoughts on this?
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/G7QQ
i have added an unordered delete function (that just moves the last element to the index, thus being O(1)) that's called udelete. and a delete function that keeps order (shifts all leading elements to the right, O(n))
scarlet halo
yeah
scarlet halo
starting capacity of 512 sounds slightly excessive
yeah i agree, it was basically just a random number i picked
vocal basin
the moment has come, I'm making my own SSH server
so far successful
@somber heath ohno not the Magic The Gathering
"poor leopards having to live on a face-only diet"
somber heath
vocal basin
so far successful
it was simpler than I expected
(for the purposes that I need with the tools available to customise that)
iirc Python has something for writing SSH servers too
but that sounds somewhat suboptimal
thousands
Python is okay with many connections
here it will just hit throughput instead
(I'd expect)
I need specifically TCP forwarding that SSH provides
Rust might just be more concise for that
somber heath
https://youtu.be/8QGy9D_c1pY?si=DV-LaGydENeAGg5m
@primal shadow
vocal basin
Northsouth trajectory
we seemingly have a train station called South-Northern
idk how the geometry of that works
somber heath
@charred wharf 👋
charred wharf
yo
somber heath
@edgy widget @tiny anchor 👋
haughty pier
restive cliff
@haughty pier this is the other way to get out of debt ☝🏻☝🏻
free money from the government!
whole bear
Halo
young trellis
@somber heath do you remember someone called "Just Chilling" btw?
smoky lantern
<@860541554200281109> 👋
Hello, @somber heath. Nice to meet you, mate! Sorry I couldn't open mic a while ago, I guess I need a lil more interaction with you guys!
somber heath
Hello, <@317279909112446976>. Nice to meet you, mate! Sorry I couldn't open mic...
!voice 🙂
wise cargoBOT
shadow folio
upper basin
dry jasper
paper wolf
What...
iron geyser
peak depot
iron geyser
😱
primal shadow
mighty linden
I made a web extension today after seeing osyra's extension....
scarlet halo
lmao
primal shadow
How does that even happen?
scarlet halo
good question
somber heath
@wispy lark @hallow panther 👋
hallow panther
?
primal shadow
hallow panther
hi
candid spire
Hello