FastAPI uses starlette
#voice-chat-text-0
grave viper
right, gotcha
vocal basin
just a lower-level implementation detail of it
starlette to FastAPI is what tower+hyper are to axum
grave viper
starlette to FastAPI is what `tower`+`hyper` are to `axum`
that went over my head 
upper basin
Architecure choice matters. You have to commit to it, and changing it later down the road is going to be a hassle.
vocal basin
pick anything, try it
with Python, safer choice is to go with something ASGI
why? you'll be able to change upstack stuff during the project's lifetime
(prior to ASGI existing, recommendation there would be WSGI)
grave viper
Architecure choice matters. You have to commit to it, and changing it later down...
currently using fastapi (w/ uvicorn)
whole bear
Just follow a tutorial then play with it try to add something new to it
vocal basin
it's possible to gradually transition away from Django, because the fundamental integration layer is not Django, but ASGI
upper basin
currently using fastapi (w/ uvicorn)
I wasn't talking about which is best, just responding to fkorstyzz about it not mattering.
vocal basin
Architecure choice matters. You have to commit to it, and changing it later down...
=> web framework should (not must) be engineered away as a non-architectural choice
frameworks (picked over libraries) generally should be avoided, unless you can justify their use
"I have no clue what is going on and need a strict structure to guide me" is justification enough initially
@primal shadow would be great if there was an option to just give a type to the query that it should populate when returning from SELECT
just for type checking and usability
idk if Python ecosystem has stuff for that
vocal basin
<@221417491136512010> would be great if there was an option to just give a type ...
@dataclass
class User:
username: str
display_name: str
user = query(
User,
r"""
SELECT
/* */ username
, display_name
FROM users
WHERE id = $id
""",
id = 123,
).only()
print(user.username)
print(user.display_name)
paper wolf
vc got noisy...
vocal basin
Rust already has a great non-ORM approach to SQL
vocal basin
```py
@dataclass
class User:
username: str
display_name: str
user = que...
basically this
hmm
I guess you can do with Postgres+UNNEST
paper wolf
!e bro just do this
print(r"a"
r" something"
r" why not")
wise cargoBOT
!e bro just do this
```py
print(r"a"
r" something"
r" why not")
```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
a something why not
the missing indent is really driving me crazy lol
wise loom
uv downloads all packages in parallel, great improvement
i didn't even know this
uv innit?
innit?
wise loom
fun fact: `npm innit` is a valid alias for `npm init`
npm devs are experts
vocal basin
I guess you can do with Postgres+`UNNEST`
users = list(query(
User,
r"""
SELECT
/* */ username
, display_name
FROM users
JOIN UNNEST($id)
AS input(id)
USING (id)
""",
id = [123, 456, 789],
))
for user in users:
print(user.username)
print(user.display_name)
/* */???
whole bear
`npm isntall`
π€£
vocal basin
``/* */``???
wise loom
`npm isntall`
they do edit distance?
did you mean [...] ?
vocal basin
they do edit distance?
> did you mean [...] ?
no
vocal basin
they do edit distance?
> did you mean [...] ?
it's just an alias
vocal basin
https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/412357430186344448/1351585499550...
reasoning for why /* */
paper wolf
wierd syntax
vocal basin
it's just a comment
paper wolf
damn..
vocal basin
SELECT
username
, display_name
FROM users
never new sql has comments..
vocal basin
-- and /* */
@primal shadow the download speed/whatever is very much not the main reason to use uv
as for poetry -- its issues is what uv seemingly fixes
it's about a better high-level interface
uv.lock is one of the most important reasons for using uv
vocal basin
it's about a better high-level interface
specifically uv add
uvguy
ah, yes, John UV
vocal basin
specifically `uv add`
- updates
pyproject.toml - updates
uv.lock - installs the necessary packages to the current
.venv
this is mostly inspired by cargo add/npm install
"ohno, Python 0.9 is about to get EOL'd"
wise loom
Python 0.9 must've been great
wise loom
0.(9)
wise loom
stable like a patient
vocal basin
!pep 750
wise cargoBOT
primal shadow
no
primal shadow
it is three point one four
ESPECIALLY Because it's 3.14
PITHON
For one version only
vocal basin
2718
who needs to separate digits anyway
do be aware that GIL-free Python is slower
so you need to measure whether or not that performance cost is less than what you save by collocating everything within a single process
if there's very little cross-communication, GIL+multiprocessing is still faster
the whole GIL thing has so much discussion bullshit around it
upper basin
pycon
vocal basin
- it's not a big Python issue
- new changes to it don't have that much benefit
upper basin
It's a python conference held annually where psf and researchers do talks.
Last pycon was good.
vocal basin
the whole GIL thing has so much discussion bullshit around it
people just like to overhype stuff
upper basin
It's still premature I feel.
The idea of it still seems like a good performance boost when used properly.
vocal basin
maturity as applied to tech is a thoroughly invalid qualifier
upper basin
What's your definition of maturity in that context?
vocal basin
unless you're ready to admit that C++ is immature
vocal basin
What's your definition of maturity in that context?
there is none, that's the point
it's a meaningless fucking word in the context of tech
stop using it
upper basin
I'd disagree, but not a hill I'd die on.
You can propose sth, and build a proof of concept that works but is not really well-written, fleshed out.
vocal basin
by that definition C++ is still the category of a proof-of-concept
upper basin
Maturity is the amount of refinement and analysis the tool goes through to become fleshed out.
upper basin
by *that* definition C++ is still the category of a proof-of-concept
How so?
vocal basin
it's a terrible amalgamation of half-prepared research and choices by committee members incapable of saying "no"
Rust 1.0 was a more "grown up" (by that notion) tech than C++ is now
C++ still allows uninitialised data by default, it's not yet even on track to becoming a proper consistently designed language
and this point of view isn't even coming from outside C++, that's what the same people who design and write C++ say
the only part of it that had any sort of proper design and grew somewhat correctly over the years is its standard library
lavish gazelle
Here: https://www.pyconsenegambia.org/en
@wise loom
upper basin
C++ still allows uninitialised data by default, it's not yet even on track to be...
It's still a powerhouse used extensively though. It's like qiskit. Everyone uses it. Dive deep enough and you'll find tons of design issues and half-cooked code.
vocal basin
C++ is very much the PL equivalent of "grow first, figure out later" startups
upper basin
Qiskit then.
Or Pennylane.
god. I hate pennylane.
Only decent thing to ever come out of pennylane was catalyst, and that was carried by David Ittah.
vocal basin
just more illustrations on how this kind of tech still gets used, even despite it's not yet being ready in terms of consistency
vocal basin
maturity as applied to tech is a thoroughly invalid qualifier
it's a very bad metaphor in this case, a communication issue
upper basin
It could be mature but poorly designed though too.
vocal basin
C++ is old and it had more research applied to it than Rust, yet it's still at a less advanced state with regards to overall design correctness
upper basin
Pennylane made the choice to do what they did. No matter how much budget and time you give them, it will still suck.
vocal basin
the implications the word carries are incorrect
again, bad metaphor
too many contradictions
upper basin
You can have a design that's mature but not optimal or best practice though.
It's half the current research. Horrible design, but optimized and refined as much as possible.
At that point, it's not a matter of maturity, it's just poor design from the get go. Like the project itself is bad.
That's how I learned the term at least. Back to the original point, I feel python needs a few years until they get nogil and the new features to a respectable level.
vocal basin
- Brought to a state of complete readiness.
- Profound; careful.
(excluding medical/human-related definitions)
the word heavily implies positive effects that arose from time
sleek otter
C++ has not improved in any way at all?
in what aspect?
upper basin
in what aspect?
Have a look at the conversation a while ago.
vocal basin
C++ has not improved in any way at all?
improvements have been made, but that doesn't necessarily bring the language overall to some consistent model
it is getting worse in some aspects
sleek otter
Informal Name Year of Publication
C++98 1998
C++03 2003 (minor update/technical corrigendum)
C++11 2011 (a major upgrade)
C++14 2014 (a minor update)
C++17 2017
C++20 2020
C++23 2024 (technical work completed in 2023)
vocal basin
things like move semantics absolutely aren't a definitive improvement
upper basin
TLDR; we were talking about nogil, I mentioned it's a good feature that hasn't matured yet, AF mentioned the term "maturity" is not appropriate/not defined in context of tech, I was debating the difference between maturity vs good design.
vocal basin
within this analogy, progression of "maturity" in tech can very much happen in reverse
with the amount of stuff that gets accreted, the goal for "ready" moves so far away that the overall system gets less ready
upper basin
with the amount of stuff that gets accreted, the goal for "ready" moves so far a...
I know what you mean, but that's a matter of perspective too. What was the saying? The more you learn, the less you know.
upper basin
Why not?
vocal basin
and it's really not a matter of perspective, when very much every standard process participants' perspective on this is the same
C++ is not getting close to readiness
upper basin
baseline readiness vs continuous improvement after the fact
But what you mentioned sounds like the baseline is moving.
vocal basin
baseline readiness vs continuous improvement after the fact
contributing to a runaway catastrophe vs iteratively improving something
vocal basin
But what you mentioned sounds like the baseline is moving.
at such speeds that it can't yet be reached in a reasonable time
a system can reduce its scope and move the baseline closer
vocal basin
C++ is not getting close to readiness
tools and parts of ecosystem around it are often more consistent and stable than the language itself
@upper basin they add so much half-ready stuff that they won't be able to get it ready as a whole anywhen within the next half-century
unless they actually just start cutting
C++ needs quite a lot of breaking changes to go back on track
and, no, "but we want to be fully backwards-compatible" isn't an entirely meaningful argument any more
latest C++ standards introduced a lot of new UB, which in turn means breaking old code
upper basin
and, no, "but we want to be fully backwards-compatible" isn't an entirely meanin...
I like backwards compatibility as a feature, not a constraint.
vocal basin
Rust used to have Semaphore in the standard library even after 1.0
at some point it got deprecated then removed
so even Rust isn't following this religiously
upper basin
at some point it got deprecated then removed
It's healthy.
vocal basin
that was a funny typo mixup
upper basin
hehe
vocal basin
Rust used to have `Semaphore` in the standard library even after 1.0
meanwhile, pre-1.0, there was so much stuff that we don't see now
for example, green threads
they got ripped out in 2015
and a complete, simpler redesign was introduced in 2018 with async/await instead
dry jasper
craggy vale
vocal basin
another thing that Rust has over C++ for introducing such changes:
editions
separate concept
2015 edition still doesn't recognise async/await as keywords
and you can compile code under 2015 edition even on the latest Rust compiler
it's a way to introduce breaking changes, primarily syntactic ones
@grave viper not yet
ah
if already installed, then, yes, delete
vocal basin
<@1192520668613451906> not yet
you could've non-manually converted one into another, but I guess you already did that somehow
add -r?
yeah, -r
Christmas 2
@dry jasper he's omni-present all across European Christian culture seems like, very big important saint in Orthodox stuff too
@wise loom just termux+nvim
dry jasper
@vocal basin he was a real person from turkey
wise loom
vocal basin
<@264054779888533515> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mohammed...
I just use termux
I've done Rust development through that before
but it's a bit weird about the ABI
some patches to packages required
ah, protection not prediction
branch prediction is a completely separate topic
@upper basin you can block merge based on CI
we do that at work for some stuff
though not exactly to block
there is a button to schedule merge
and the blocking functionality turns into "merge when CI passes"
vocal basin
<@264054779888533515> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mohammed...
this one seems to be paid
(with reasons explained on the website)
React is useful to learn to understand how it works
the hooks are a good idea
you might consider Preact instead
it's somewhat okay too
with smaller bundle size
CSS is not that bad, actually
can do quite a lot of nice stuff with it
ugh I need to wait whole 6 more minutes for DNS to update
upper basin
@dry jasper I forgot to tell you this two years ago. We're nephews. Wait, no. I'm your nephew.
vocal basin
ugh I need to wait whole 6 more minutes for DNS to update
it's always DNS
ssh -L is truly the highest level of friendship
vocal basin
ugh I need to wait whole 6 more minutes for DNS to update
aaaaaaaaaaa
... how did manage to generate a cert anyway
meanwhile I'm still using OpenVPN for everything
it might be rule-breaking (rule 5)
(out of scope for the server)
too easy to use maliciously
vocal basin
(out of scope for the server)
as in cyber attack software is
@wise loom 13
13 is the limit
for specific per-country limits, see https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360050817374-Age-restriction
"there is only Debian and wrong choices"
nearly all Kali stuff is installable everywhere else
Debian is Ubuntu without bloatware
I use openSUSE
iirc that one is quite separate from the rest
@lavish gazelle "primeagen disagrees"
ed
ed is better
vim only
vi is somewhat broken
there is only one correct response to seeing ed:
?
M-x ed
grand lionBOT
?
vocal basin
I use vim instead of nano just for ergonomics
nano feels uncomfortable for me
mostly because it's not modal
I rarely ever use neovim
mostly just vim
because that's more likely to be installed
@grave viper only four tabs?
some of my accounts use self-hosted mail
@grave viper watch talks and conferences, not tutorials
that'll really help, from my experience
stuffs like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCYva9DhsI
tsoding?
Ρoding
ts not st
vocal basin
tsoding?
this
it's a pun on how Latin C is pronounced [ts] in Cyrillic
fireship is a meme channel
vocal basin
anybody knows how to pass python voice verification?
!voice
wise cargoBOT
odd shuttle
!voice
I mean, i have been in that sever more than 3 days, I be active in voice channels more than 3 hours and still i can't pass this verification
vocal basin
I mean, i have been in that sever more than 3 days, I be active in voice channel...
active in voice channels
this is unrelated
being in the VC doesn't affect anything
vocal basin
Been consistently active for 1 hour 30 minutes in text chats
vocal basin
but how ths counts? like first and last massage?
9 activity blocks, 10 minutes each
odd shuttle
oh
odd shuttle
9 activity blocks, 10 minutes each
thx)
vocal basin
@upper basin the "work enough to get residence" seems to be a 10-year permit if earning enough
if what I'm reading is correct
upper basin
<@664667836605661217> the "work enough to get residence" seems to be a 10-year p...
That's MM2H
vocal basin
so, yeah, no permanent and not based on work time
vocal basin
That's MM2H
RP-T
upper basin
MM2H is expensive as shit. Some people "immigrated" like that.
vocal basin
both are 10 years but seemingly different things
vocal basin
RP-T
if earning RM15,000+ a month
yes
yet, even this still doesn't give a full permanent residence
vocal basin
if earning RM15,000+ a month
the 5 years requirement is seemingly in addition to that
worked 5 years (somewhere?) + has formal qualification + RM15'000+ a month for 2 years + lived for 3 years there
vocal basin
if earning RM15,000+ a month
this is, like, only a bit higher than what I get but idk how living cost compares
I don't have a degree π
degree is what stuff gets filtered by when there are too many applicants
vocal basin
I don't have a degree π
... and I've never been to a single tech hiring interview
vocal basin
speaking of oil and gas,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdWEGzWFcCc
@upper basin getting an offer first sometimes is part of getting the visa
Russia is technically Europe too
wise loom
@amber raptor "aggressive accounting methods" ^^
are you using chinese models?
these tv anchors and the topics they believe are important..
vocal basin
well, you reposted it, seems like their topic choice procedure is working
@upper basin pay yourself a salary
wise loom
well, you reposted it, seems like their topic choice procedure is working
well what I meant is I just think it's odd/cringe how US tv anchors are demonizing and chastising the usage of chinese models..
vocal basin
tax through the roof
vocal basin
tax through the roof
sales tax + wage tax
90% of applicants quit before they get hired big
oh wait that was about gamblers
@upper basin QOBOL
ah, yes, Fibre's Witness
Jehova's Fibreoptics
"want to talk about lord and saviour, The SFP+?"
@upper basin managerial response: have you tried not putting those bugs in to begin with?
wise loom
has anyone ever looked at infinite canvas code editors? https://www.codecanvas.app/
vocal basin
has anyone ever looked at infinite canvas code editors? https://www.codecanvas.a...
default vercel logo as the favicon
wise loom
default vercel logo as the favicon
yes but their animations looked interesting
lavish gazelle
hmmm
wise loom
here's another one https://charkoal.dev/
amber raptor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU57CWWWc3g
when CNBC starts to call you out
vocal basin
@upper basin explosion
wise loom
vocal basin
ed mentioned
snakes are speaking
@upper basin what does x mean there
@upper basin xkipped
upper basin
jaunty socket
That awesome @upper basin much appreciated for sharing us
upper basin
Can one of you ping me once the test finishes? I need to take a quick nap.
timid quartz
@wind raptorchris can u help me pls
gritty frost
I LOST THE GAME
jaunty socket
@somber heath are you there, do you have leisure time ?
@somber heath I want show you something
somber heath
!code
wise cargoBOT
jaunty socket
# ask user for their food
food = input("what's your favorite food?")
# Remove whitespace from str and captialize user's food
food = food.strip().title()
# say awesome food to user
print(f"awesome, I don't like {food} LOL")
# which century were you born in ?
year = int(input("what year were you born? "))
# calculate century
century = (year - 1) // 100 + 1
# display century to user
print(f"that awesome, {year} this history make me disappontment ")
please judge my code
first mistake = captlize
captialize
somber heath
Capitalise / Capitalize
!e py print("abc def ghi jkl".title()) print("abc def ghi jkl".upper())
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
print("abc def ghi jkl".title())
print("abc def ghi jkl".upper())```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | Abc Def Ghi Jkl
002 | ABC DEF GHI JKL
"Awesome. I don't like apples."
jaunty socket
upper
jaunty socket
<@536038147600154634>
came share us
somber heath
!e py print("abc deF JKL".upper())
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
print("abc deF JKL".upper())```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
ABC DEF JKL
classical
somber heath
@mint pivot π
somber heath
> greater than
< less than
>= greater than or equal to
<= less than or equal to```@heavy heath π
paper wolf
it would look like this
$ ./bin/calc
>>> a = 32
>>> a
32
>>> a + 2
34
idealy my project would look like this 
paper wolf
#include <vector>
namespace Calc {
namespace parsing {
struct Token {
Token();
enum TokenType {
Atom,
Operator,
Eof
};
private:
// on future ill just store the index of the token
TokenType _type;
char* _val;
};
struct Expression {
Expression();
enum ExpressionType {
Atom,
Operation
};
private:
// optimizations would be
ExpressionType _type;
// on future ill store the index of the header and length of the vector that store char
// and remove the type identifier and just create a type method tht will return the type
double _val;
std::vector<Expression> operations = {};
};
}; // namespace parsing
}; // namespace Calc
paper wolf
!voice
wise cargoBOT
paper wolf
@jaunty socket srr gtg
jaunty socket
@sharp raft
jaunty socket
# ask user for their food
food = input("what's your favorite food?")
# Remove whitespace from str and captialize user's food
food = food.strip().title()
# say awesome food to user
print(f"awesome, I don't like {food} LOL")
# which century were you born in ?
year = int(input("what year were you born? "))
# calculate century
century = (year - 1) // 100 + 1
# display century to user
print(f"that awesome, {year} this history make me disappontment ")```makes me dissapointed
paper wolf
!doc zip
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@hardy crystal π
sharp raft
somber heath
paper wolf
its def wierd
paper wolf
https://youtu.be/urglg3WimHA?si=5nV3rcEguvxgDwoz
morty: Open Your Eyes
good thing they didnt add the mystery of frequency
jaunty socket
Singular vs plural. distinction
curly brace / curly braces
square bracket / square brackets
parenthesis / parentheses
paper wolf
thats actually a english stuff not programming
modern rampart
Hello
somber heath
@lavish grail π
lavish grail
sup
jaunty socket
Singular vs plural. distinction
curly brace / curly braces
square bracket / square brackets
parenthesis / parentheses
somber heath
plu-rl
paper wolf
jaunty socket
I regret didn't learn before now
paper wolf
before now
somber heath
I regret not having learned Python before now.
I regret not learning Python before now.
somber heath
I regret my decisions.
paper wolf
regret not before now
paper wolf
coding != programming
jaunty socket
me oppsete
paper wolf
opposite
jaunty socket
opposite
paper wolf
primate
somber heath
paper wolf
@somber heath start the no freewill argument lol
eating time
@jaunty socket no one is angry
we are on server meant for learning, we should be open minded
somber heath
@atomic pendant π
atomic pendant
hello
jaunty socket
banana and rice
somber heath
furikake
somber heath
i'm don't speak
!voice
wise cargoBOT
atomic pendant
!voice
jaunty socket
jaunty socket
I don't understand well english
you should talk more in text
somber heath
Seasoning mix
(Ajiyose)
"Nichifuri"
paper wolf
am back
paper wolf
soup
jaunty socket
soup
somber heath
π§Ό Soap
π₯£ Soup
paper wolf
π§Ό in bone broth :D
jaunty socket
absorption
paper wolf
@stable creek boil an egg?
somber heath
Hardboiling an egg.
Softboiling an egg.
jaunty socket
boil
somber heath
Boiling an egg.
paper wolf
oh boling....
paper wolf
Frying an egg.
Sunny side up.
Sunny side down.
sunny upsidedown
somber heath
I will scramble some eggs
I will scramble an egg.
I am scrambling some eggs.
I scrambled some eggs.
paper wolf
not scrampling
paper wolf
scram bull eggs
paper wolf
ScramBull egg
somber heath
boolean
paper wolf
poolian
somber heath
The bull fell in the pool.
paper wolf
@jaunty socket you saying poolian not boolean
jaunty socket
methods
paper wolf
!voice
wise cargoBOT
static zephyr
hii
@somber heath
i need sm1
to watch my discord bot
adn fix it
ill pay
is this possible?
somber heath
!rule 9
wise cargoBOT
jaunty socket
dried parsley
paper wolf
pars-lee
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
a, b, c = [1, 2, 3]
print(a)
print(b)
print(c)```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 1
002 | 2
003 | 3
*unpacking
somber heath
!e py a, b, c = 1, 2, 3 print(a) print(b) print(c)
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
a, b, c = 1, 2, 3
print(a)
print(b)
print(c)```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 1
002 | 2
003 | 3
!e py a = 1, 2, 3 print(a) print(type(a))
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
a = 1, 2, 3
print(a)
print(type(a))```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | (1, 2, 3)
002 | <class 'tuple'>
dull lance
<@1136943405772062750> π
Hi
paper wolf
tuple is just a unresizable, unchangeable lists
fading eagle
Is this a class?????
jaunty socket
Is this a class?????
yes
somber heath
It can be!
jaunty socket
Is this a class?????
if you have question you can ask dr.Opalmist
fading eagle
if you have question you can ask dr.Opalmist
ok
somber heath
I am not a doctor.
atomic pendant
okay
modest shale
yo
somber heath
All objects are a data structure with attached functionality for interacting safely with that data.py my_list = [] my_list.append(123) # hey, list instance, using your list.append functionality, add 123 to your data
text = "AbC"
print(text.upper()) # Hey, str.upper, give me an uppercased version of this string. Look at its data and give me a new string.```// type variable name value
int data = 3;
Every object is of a type, a class, which governs the creation, data structure and attached functionality of objects of its type. A class can be thought of as a factory or blueprint.
paper wolf
on python
# variable name type value
data : int = 3
!e ```py
class MyClass:
pass
foo = MyClass()
bar = MyClass()
print(MyClass)
print(foo)
print(bar)```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
class MyClass:
pass
foo = MyClass()
bar = MyClass()
print(MyClass...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | <class '__main__.MyClass'>
002 | <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7ff6a18406e0>
003 | <__main__.MyClass object at 0x7ff6a1834690>
on int type if you do data + other_data that will happen is you will make the data other_data larger
on string if you do data + other_data it will put other_data next to the data
jaunty socket
!e ```py
class MyClass:
pass
foo = MyClass()
bar = MyClass()
print(MyClass...
here
somber heath
This shows three objects, the class and two instances.
foo and bar are both objects of type MyClass
jaunty socket
strightforward
somber heath
Straightforward.
paper wolf
learning english while learning programming nice move
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def foo(self):
print("Hello, world.")
bar = MyClass()
bar.foo()```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def foo(self):
print("Hello, world.")
bar =...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello, world.
dry marlin
Wait why I canβt talk?
paper wolf
!voice
wise cargoBOT
dry marlin
Be one there for 1 hr 30 consecutively
somber heath
Be one there for 1 hr 30 consecutively
That's to do with text conversation.
Not voice.
dry marlin
Ya I will just keep it then
Open
Me I just came back form building my robot for VEX with my team
somber heath
The 1hr 30min thing isn't about time on voice.
dry marlin
The 1hr 30min thing isn't about time on voice.
Ya I get it itβs for text
You you can search up VEX itβs very cool
And go to images
paper wolf
opal mist was here more than 12 hour a day
dry marlin
β¦.
somber heath
Me I just came back form building my robot for VEX with my team
It sounds like it would be frustrating.
paper wolf
you can def get verified just on one sitting
somber heath
It sounds like it would be frustrating.
One might even say it sounds...vexing.
paper wolf
def you
somber heath
Multidirectional rollerblades.
dry marlin
No no not Lego way more complicated
dry marlin
Multidirectional rollerblades.
Omni wheel
We CAD it
Then build
This was our old one
Itβs a small field so Omni is for drift
VEX is a organization
Search it up
paper wolf
dry marlin
Ya this
We do VEX V5 thatβs the high school one
Search up VEX push back
Search up VEX example match so first there is a 15 second automatic period where you do your code and then do 2 minutes of driver
Lemlib phthon block
You can use a lot of lang
Lemlib, python, block coding
Many languages
Ya forgot to put commas
Here
Watch this it is a example match
We use a brain and it connects using plugs
To motors, pneumatic
lol not really
paper wolf
teaching kids how to replace human with machine
dry marlin
No no
jaunty socket
innovation
dry marlin
Itβs not like that
paper wolf
lol
paper wolf
gritty frost
Me I just came back form building my robot for VEX with my team
YOU DO VEX TOOO????
CRAZY!
I DO VEX V5
okay loveya goodnight
somber heath
@heavy citrus π
heavy citrus
wait
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@frigid willow π
cosmic rain
hello
heavy citrus
yeah imma head out because i can't speak
somber heath
dry jasper
tight jungle
vocal basin
@somber heath tax avoidance forum
they once invited a historian, he said rich people should pay taxes, they really didn't like it
just send them to mars
in a mars climate orbiter way
(mars climate orbiter did not, in fact, orbit)
thielocracy
@peak depot FβοΈx News
@dry jasper at some point you really should learn that "both sides are bad" is an idiotic infantile response in >99% cases
dry jasper
no
vocal basin
grow up
dry jasper
bashing one side is just brain dead
vocal basin
are you fucking deaf and blind?
dry jasper
nope are you?
vocal basin
the discussion was literally about how the fucking fox news are excusing child abuse
dry jasper
also
vocal basin
the main stream media, public leaders of the right wing in the US
dry jasper
nope
vocal basin
I retract my previous statement on calling you "not a nazi, just dumb", you actually are both
dry jasper
if you cant handle a "both sides are bad" than your way to deep into politics
vocal basin
also known as educated (unlike you)
dry jasper
yes opinions and beeing political deeply into one side means your super educated........
and stop calling me a nazi
wtf are you than?
vocal basin
unlike nazis, a human
vocal basin
tell that your leaders
we don't even have those here lmao
all who opposed nazis have been incarcerated or killed
π
dry jasper
sure buddy
same as in germany
all got jailed and denazified
crazy how you attack me for having a different opinion (both sides are wrong)
vocal basin
AfD is still existent, unfortunately
dry jasper
just like novo russia and russian nazis supported by kremlin
vocal basin
if they go back to their economic origins, maybe their existence can be excused
vocal basin
just like novo russia and russian nazis supported by kremlin
russian nazis supported by kremlin
not limited to just russian nazis, kremlin is very ready to export funding for right-wing extremists everywhere
@dry jasper fuck off, go away
we don't want you with us in the VC, stay in the other chat
or just don't join
dry jasper
alright stay in your echo chambers
vocal basin
we don't want you with us in the VC, stay in the other chat
having to say this because you're incapable of picking up a social cue for goddamn near 10 times in a row
like actually crossing into open harassment
dry jasper
its a public server
peak depot
I am a survivor of the said topic - I really don't wan't to hear "well it's done on both sides" when the values are clear on the other
vocal basin
<@&831776746206265384> Animmo keeps following us and harassing with bullshit arguments
vocal basin
like actually crossing into open harassment
.
dry jasper
I am a survivor of the said topic - I really don't wan't to hear "well it's done...
you only want to hear "only one sides does it"
makes sense....
peak depot
the OG discussion was: who are the ones saying "it's ok" very very publicly
dry jasper
yes and you mentioned that the maga ppl are saying it and fox
vocal basin
<@&831776746206265384> Animmo keeps following us and harassing with bullshit arg...
(should be possible to deduce that from voice channel join/leave logs)
dry jasper
yes i joined the VC becouse its a public server
if you dont want me to join than go to a private server
also who is calling who "dumb", "nazi" etc?
vocal basin
lmao another nazi in VC1
peak depot
and I was talking about very public venues where this was done. If you come on claiming "the others do it too" then where are they do it too? What news channel? What influercer?
dry jasper
lmao another nazi in VC1
?????
vocal basin
?????
superplantman
(previous nickname)
@somber heath I completely and openly stand by every single thing said there, so not worried about that
primal shadow
Aww, I missed out on the anti-nazi chat?
upbeat oasis
And how am i a nazi?
dry jasper
no just the "you cant say both sides are bad so you must be a nazi"
<@&831776746206265384> pls do something about the abusive behavior or AF, calling everyone a "nazi", "dumb" etc etc
dry jasper
yes some person did not
but thats not the problem
the problem is that some ppl get called for no reason
primal shadow
bashing one side is just brain dead
Bashing Nazis until their brains are dead is the good side
Check a history book
vocal basin
"no reason"
dry jasper
Bashing Nazis until their brains are dead is the good side
i am not arguing against that
just getting labeld as something you are not is kind harsh
primal shadow
You don't want me to bash the nazi side?
dry jasper
no
somber heath
Let me do a pretend mod thing. Up to everyone as to if they abide by it or not.
vocal basin
@peak depot anyway, I have acquired more cat memes, time to pipe that into the DMs
somber heath
!shhhhhh
dry jasper
the topic was that maga and fox news how they are saying that the age of consent can be lower and how that is pdf like
i said both parties are doing it and they are both shit
well and i got called nazi etc etc for saying "both sides are shit"
primal shadow
Maybe because one side is modern day nazis
and the other side is trying to stop the modern day nazis
and you're doing the whole "both sides are shit" aka "both sides are the same"
When clearly, they are not.
Literally one side is limiting criminal investigations to the other sied
vocal basin
@peak depot it's going to go the same way it went previously:
they provide a source, it provides the opposite point
primal shadow
NEVER seen a democrat announce they will only investigate republicans
It's literally wehat the republicans have been crying about for decades without evidence
what they are now announcing they are doing
vocal basin
<@425552190283972608> it's going to go the same way it went previously:
they pro...
"opposite" to what they claim
candid spire
Hi
primal shadow
howdy π
vocal basin
@peak depot yes, that's the disgusting inhuman part of it
candid spire
Milien is fluent in english, finnish are smart.
I struggle with english, I grew up learning english from age 1
primal shadow
i said both parties are doing it and they are both shit
Do you have any sources?
primal shadow
Looks like it's mostly one side that doesn't want to protect children
I've lived here all my life
π
Where do you get your info about America from
I have paid a LOT of attention over the decades to American politics, state politics, random local politics
Is that how you spend your time? wasting it on this depressing shit"?
I live here, so I do
dry jasper
If you think that i am wrong that you should have a normal Civil conversation about it
Without calling names
vocal basin
If you think that i am wrong that you should have a normal Civil conversation ab...
civil conversation ended the moment you started the "both sides are bad" idiocy
candid spire
Life has no meaning, meanwhile other part of brain you should enter VC and talk π
primal shadow
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/8/21/2339592/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-5 Looks like a very republican problem, you'll find some vile people on the left, but you'll find em in abundance on the right
vocal basin
@somber heath nope, following people around is very much harassment
that is very much not okay
candid spire
I guess behind the screen these republican and democrats are Friends.
vocal basin
<@317279909112446976> nope, following people around is very much harassment
so goes against rule 1+2 quite directly
primal shadow
I'm not gonna say every elected Democrat is good, but I will say every elected Republican is bad (at least federally).
candid spire
I think politics is like gamble it gives a hope to voter and regret.
Cycle of elect and regret, what do you think?
primal shadow
Nah, it's a cycle of elect and forget
Trump 1 was a shitshow
but here we are, Trump 2
shittier show
vocal basin
@peak depot yep, that just crossed the line this time
dry jasper
so goes against rule 1+2 quite directly
What rule is calling someone names against?
primal shadow
The Republicans lie and scream, people eventually break down and listen to the criminals
That seems to be the cycle
They never do anything good for America
For the last... 40+ yearws
vocal basin
What rule is calling someone names against?
read the rules and find out β¨
candid spire
Remember those day when republican were democrat and democrat were republican?
primal shadow
this is history
Republicans just want people to hurt
That's all their policies are these days
hate
they have no real policy other than hurt others
vocal basin
<@317279909112446976> will be illegal eventually too
(I meant complaint letters)
peak siren
What rule is calling someone names against?
#code-of-conduct everyone should chill and treat each other with respect.
dry jasper
<#783829285227462697> everyone should chill and treat each other with respect.
Exectly
candid spire
Btw how was your day?
primal shadow
So can we all stay in our channels?
π
and keep the peace
that we've divided ourselves into
No need to toss jabs across channels
candid spire
Gratitude, I like it!!
dry jasper
There are no divisions
primal shadow
vocal basin
@peak depot for a moment I thought it was, like, an opposite of tombstone
rock getting planted on birth instead of death
primal shadow
Just capitalism
buy this shiny rock because you were born in May!~
You're a June baby, you need THIS rock!
NEEEEEEED
primal shadow
I'd think Diamonds would be on more of em
Probably jewelry stores got together
Liek the old got milk ads we had, IDK if you did
but it was like the milk farmers got together
and ran national ads
candid spire
I wish I could afford atleast one stone but I can't
why can't they have rock as birth stone?
Lovely rock
vocal basin
@peak depot famous movie "Linear algebra, first semester, lecture 7"
I don't actually remember if you take linalg or not
candid spire
If I would have invested a thousand dollar in Nvidia in 2017 I would be millionaire by now
biggest regret of my life
without ego capitalism would fail!
vocal basin
@somber heath "solution": install it from Chinese apk sources
candid spire
<@317279909112446976> "solution": install it from Chinese apk sources
CCP has approved your message
vocal basin
@somber heath even got the annunciation details right
vocal basin
and Milien can provide the cat part of the combined Louis Rossman image
candid spire
OpalMist do you noise in you head talking to you?
I do have noise in my head talking to me most of time
it is normal?
vocal basin
@somber heath that happened often enough to me to be a concern but rare enough not to qualify for stuff
vocal basin
(only audio, no visual)
candid spire
<@317279909112446976> that happened often enough to me to be a concern but rare ...
Damn
Glad to know, I'm not alone
vocal basin
it's recurring enough that I don't remember all instances
vocal basin
"hasn't flu been dead for a century?"
candid spire
Damn
primal shadow
I had the flu when I was a kid
no way it can be relevant today
same with the common cold
how can anyone still be bothered by it
just like war, it's been around so long ,why does anyone still mind?
vocal basin
same with the common cold
uncommon cold, rare cold, epic cold, legendary cold
woeful blaze
Morning
peak siren
how can anyone still be bothered by it
vocal basin
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124915/flu-deaths-number-us>
(the point was exactly that, yes)
primal shadow
You missed the sarcasm
You don't think I'm actually OK with endless war do you>?
primal shadow
The point is COVID is still dangerous
even though it's been 6 years
I was using the flu to show how that's possible
vocal basin
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124915/flu-deaths-number-us>
((context from VC was: "isn't COVID dead already?" -- it isn't dead, still around))
peak siren
vocal basin
@somber heath iirc SARS1 was early 2000s
very highly fatal, so didn't spread as much
@somber heath in other news,
@primal shadow bureaucracy complications
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> in other news,
Any efforts to curb it would be stymied by "There's no valid scientific research showing that microplastics are bad for you. Let us fill the world with more microplaatics."
candid spire
Hi
vocal basin
encatment
it means cat
based on how success is defined
only partially
if you can somehow combine humility and daring
great naming
https://oxide.computer/blog/hubris-and-humility
run into problems that put you down and force humility upon you, there's quite a lot of them out there
@primal shadow first step is realising it's a problem, in a way
cinder vale
run into problems that put you down and force humility upon you, there's quite a...
been there, got fired and got humbled
vocal basin
run into problems that put you down and force humility upon you, there's quite a...
I never really ran into this with people, only with actual code problems
I did not get in trouble at work once for any sort of serious lack of knowledge, but I had to correct and educate others, including higher ups, from the very beginning all the way through now
if you want Enterprise-y encouragement do sometimes be less quiet: "disagree and commit"
-- AWS and people who realised this part of their "principles" is somewhat okay
@cinder vale that is more like corporate politics not humility
"politeness"
humility is primarily about inner thoughts
cinder vale
becaue I take humble actions in life
vocal basin
humility is in the reasoning that leads to those actions
cinder vale
the only reason I take humble actions is because I have realised that they make me able to achieve the goals
vocal basin
actions themselves can't really be humble individually
vocal basin
very horseful
cinder vale
or polite
vocal basin
@peak depot while it's a pun, the game's name is just an English word, derived from satisfy
(etymology might help understand phonetics I guess)
cinder vale
should my name become politegod instead?
vocal basin
I can't actually find another word that went through the exact same morphologic construction
there are many words with -tory, but most of them take t from -te of a verb
cinder vale
If I take polite, actions based on the long term,
I think the overgroup is the word humble
what do you think?
vocal basin
"humility is not thinking less of yourself, humility is thinking of yourself less"
(`thinking you are inferior' vs `thinking of yourself less frequently')
this is not entirely true, but it's a useful saying
vocal basin
"humility is not thinking less of yourself, humility is thinking of yourself les...
while technically incorrect, the point this makes is:
if you're overthinking it, trying too hard to be humble and centring everything around it, that is the wrong approach
cinder vale
I portray myself as a modest estimate of my value or importance at my work
vocal basin
don't portray, be
cinder vale
therefore the name is also god
my actions are humble because I have seen the effect of being humble
vocal basin
if you need to pretend/portray because of the company having dysfunctional processes and practices, that is a separate issue
vocal basin
my actions are humble because I have seen the effect of being humble
yeah, that'll take some work to move that from the outside effect towards the reasoning process
cinder vale
Well I feel like even though my name is not making sense its still functional in the coorporate world
vocal basin
yeah, that'll take some work to move that from the outside effect towards the re...
I believe it can be achieved, so don't stop at just focusing on outside appearance
putting more focus on others agreeing with you, coming up with same ideas as you -- that might be useful to level with the rest
@peak depot 18
@peak depot I can just link to my messages
that's all the explaining
vocal basin
putting more focus on others agreeing with you, coming up with same ideas as you...
quite a lot of "god complex"ness in programming often aligns with being scared of letting others do the work
especially if you end up being given any sort of power
@peak depot Russia only dropped to just below -40 degrees so far
but that's not in the North somehow
in the East
iirc we usually get lowest temp a bit more westward
ah, no, nvm, I misremembered, it's all there
okay I guess just applying the simple climatic rules just works then
invest
"oh no, even maps now have financial ads"
vocal basin
> invest
"oh no, even maps now have financial ads"
stuff is happening near Australia
more cats
No published scientific studies are known to have been conducted on the efficacy of these soaps, about which serious doubts have been raised.
wise loom
AI is replacing Senior Engineers in 10y. Another prediction from a random person on Linkedin .
Ready to future-proof your love life? Connect with me for the detailed plan
I thought this was about Software Engineering..
vocal basin
AI is replacing Senior Engineers in 10y. Another prediction from a random person...
given the Russian first name of the poster, this is quite possibly heavy trolling
ebon bridge
hello
vocal basin
as opposed to UnjustPurse
somber heath
Mere container.
mighty linden
ebon bridge
@somber heath can I get some help with using buttons in tkinter? I'm trying to make a calculator for my ap class and I don't like how they're in the top left corner and small.
dman
damn*
vocal basin
something something .pack
ebon bridge
something something `.pack`
im using grid rn with columns and stuff, and so far it's working well
its just small
vocal basin
I've given up on all desktop/mobile UI, only doing Web for UI now
ebon bridge
I made a help post with the paste bin for both of the files.
lmao yeah
here's what it looks like
atleast it works!
I saw something about scaling
my buttons file is really large
its like 2kb
well it way larger than the actual file where everything runs
vocal basin
!code
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@chilly tundra π
vocal basin
you can cheat and insert an invisible button to the left of 0
ebon bridge
heres that pastebin i was talking about: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/W72Q
chilly tundra
<@715939211831672876> π
hii
ebon bridge
hey this is due in a few weeks so I have time
I started this last night and we don't work on it till tmr
chilly tundra
here's what it looks like
awesome
ebon bridge
lmaoooo
vocal basin
1 hour
(negative 1)
chilly tundra
hey this is due in a few weeks so I have time
good on u for starting this early lol
ebon bridge
i've done some basic coding in my class but we're starting with our create task early
ebon bridge
good on u for starting this early lol
I really started on friday but I couldn't get the files so I had to restart, luckly I wasn't far. I only had the window and a button.
I started it on the school computer lmao
do yall think there's a better way to do my buttons? Rn i just copy paste each one and change the values to the ones I want
also i don't have the actual calculator function working yet, just the ui.
iron geyser
@wise loom
quartz beacon
sure buddy
You're deeply uneducated to be arguing about someone's country with a person from that country
Like, even if Alisa lives under the fucking rock from which she peeps once every 10 years she'd still know more about the state of her country than you
quartz beacon
<@425552190283972608> Russia only dropped to just below -40 degrees so far
ONLY
ebon bridge
hello @shrewd warren
I don't
@somber heath I manged to get the frame to work
its 2d
shrewd warren
primal shadow
π₯
somber heath
@cloud holly π
cloud holly
