bird screamed somewhere else then came back
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
!e
class Base:
@classmethod
def aaaaaaaaa(cls):
print("aaaaaaaaaaaaaa")
cls.scream()
@classmethod
def scream(cls):
print("AAAAAAA")
class Derived(Base):
@classmethod
def aaaaaaaaa(cls):
super().aaaaaaaaa()
print("aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa")
@classmethod
def scream(cls):
print("AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA")
Derived.aaaaaaaaa()
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
class Base:
@classmethod
def aaaaaaaaa(cls):
print("aaa...
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001 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
002 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
003 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
this probably illustrates enough of how it works
upper basin
So, for context, I want this to be computed once per class. It's also unique for each class.
Like a cached/define once class attribute basically.
vocal basin
so it is computed?
upper basin
No it's a constant dictionary.
I mean like constructing the dictionary each time as computation.
vocal basin
you didn't call it?
upper basin
!e
class Base:
var = 2
class Child(Base):
def print_var(self):
print(self.var)
child = Child()
child.print_var()
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2
class Stuffening(ABC):
@abstractmethod
@classmethod
def _stuff(cls) -> Stuff: ...
@classmethod
def stuff(cls) -> Stuff:
try:
return cls.__stuff
except AttributeError:
cls.__stuff = cls._stuff()
return cls.__stuff
class Stuffening(ABC):
@abstractmethod
@classmethod
def _stuff(cls) -> Stuff: ...
@classmethod
def stuff(cls) -> Stuff:
stuff = cls._stuff()
cls.stuff = staticmethod(lambda: stuff)
return stuff
hmm
!e
class Test:
...
Test.test = staticmethod(lambda: print(1))
Test.test()
Test().test()
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001 | 1
002 | 1
it can start off as a classmethod and then get rewritten to staticmethod
slightly cursed but possibly works
staticmethod is there because we're no longer interested in cls value
(but the outer method still needs to remain classmethod so we even know what to rewrite)
!d functools.lru_cache
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
(can't see the stream, playing something)
somber heath
!e ```py
def _make_callable(value):
def f(self):
return value
return f
class MyClass:
var = _make_callable(123)
instance = MyClass()
print(instance.var())```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
def _make_callable(value):
def f(self):
return value
re...
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123
@molten pewter Hungary is leaving ICC agreement seems like
they are going to openly disobey the arrest warrant for an international criminal soon
unless Orban goes full troll move and arrests Putin
vocal basin
not since Russian air defence shot him down
somber heath
@fluid crest @wet spoke 👋
wet spoke
<@1177481351490981889> <@1193440024323166231> 👋
huh?
somber heath
huh?
I like to wave to people who can't talk yet in case they haven't seen the accompanying text channel to the voice chat.
ok
fluid crest
Good day everyone,
I think I'm enjoying this coding session but I seem not to see any display streaming again
somber heath
Maybe something via...__get__?
wet spoke
Good day everyone,
I think I'm enjoying this coding session but I seem not to s...
yea i didn't see too
no one streaming
somber heath
So you can meta on how custom fields are accessed.
Or whatever the getattr stuff is.
fluid crest
yea i didn't see too
Ohh
fluid crest
@somber heath can you kindly share your screen so we can collaborate and learn 🤲
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> can you kindly share your screen so we can collaborate and...
Unable.
vocal basin
given it's Roblox, likely Luau not Lua
sacred pike
hmm
wet spoke
Where are you from?
HK
vocal basin
🇭🇰
wet spoke
hongkong
vocal basin
@upper basin eventually you'll have to let go of inheritance as the main driver for code organisation, it tends to get seriously problematic at some point
@tacit crane btw, you can put a decorator that turns coroutines into tasks, and then lru_cache should work
@tacit crane it's just a function, so yes
== by default works as is
yay
but
not yet max rank
time to game again
calm spire
@somber heath
vocal basin
<@317279909112446976>
calm spire
calm spire
i mostly don't use but ok
vocal basin
calm spire
how i can talk with push to talk?
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def getattribute(self, key):
print(f"Getting {key}.")
return super().getattribute(key)
greeting = "Hello, world."
instance = MyClass()
print(instance.greeting)```
wise cargoBOT
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def __getattribute__(self, key):
print(f"Get...
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001 | Getting greeting.
002 | Hello, world.
You can set a key to be your talk button.
Bindings.
calm spire
You can set a key to be your talk button.
get me a second
somber heath
I've mine set to right alt.
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def __getattribute__(self, key):
print(f"Get...
Something something component of a solution.
@upper basin
calm spire
@somber heath how about now?
wet spoke
https://tenor.com/view/piano-bruce-almighty-keyboard-keyboard-warrior-fast-typin...
attack keyboard🤓
vocal basin
still only S
molten pewter
vocal basin
ordered by what?
somber heath
@upper basin But you said you wanted people to be able to just write the constants as simply as a = b and to have it callable, yeah?
woeful blaze
Morning
vocal basin
2024
@primal shadow
lies
FBI taking work away from CIA? how dare they
couple of years
optimistically long time
somber heath
@molten pewter These days, that might depend on the doctor in question.
vocal basin
yet
somber heath
Higher on the list mightn't mean it's significantly more corrupt.
A ranking doesn't show interval.
vocal basin
Higher on the list mightn't mean it's *significantly* more corrupt.
(on that list, higher means less corrupt)
somber heath
Well, which whatever.
somber heath
Rank 1 could be 9001, rank 2 might be 9000, rank 3 might be 6.
vocal basin
by their perceived levels of public sector corruption
so you just have to convince everyone you're not corrupt
vocal basin
score 90 and 8
median score is 40, in who knows what units
vocal basin
Antarctica just doesn't exist on that map
those damn penguins are hiding their corruption levels
those imperialists
upper basin
<@664667836605661217> But you said you wanted people to be able to just write th...
from abc import ABC, abstractmethod
from typing import Callable
class Circuit(ABC):
gate_mapping: dict[str, Callable] | None = None
def __init__(self) -> None:
self._define_gate_mapping()
@classmethod
def _define_gate_mapping(cls) -> None:
if cls.gate_mapping is None:
cls.gate_mapping = {}
class CirqCircuit(Circuit):
def __init__(self) -> None:
super().__init__()
@classmethod
def _define_gate_mapping(cls) -> None:
if cls.gate_mapping is None:
cls.gate_mapping = {"h": lambda qubit: f"H({qubit})"}
vocal basin
I don't remember the argument list for it
just so you don't repeat it on each instance's instantiation
(slightly tautological)
def __init__(self) -> None:
self._define_gate_mapping()
this is called more often than it could've been
then do it when the class initialises
warm jackal
Ooh? Seems like my voice permissions have been lost?
vocal basin
you're still verified
warm jackal
Doesn't react when I click it in discord
tacit crane
Transfer files between parent and storage nodes without opening ports or using a reverse proxy.
Parent Will have Opened Ports and stuff like that
I need to send file upto a GB and also have to send from storage node to parent node too
Any help Someone?
vocal basin
Doesn't react when I click it in discord
the verification button shouldn't do anything, since you're already verified
tacit crane
Currently connecting storage node to parent with websocket to do some stuff
@vocal basin any help? if you know
vocal basin
Transfer files between parent and storage nodes without opening ports or using a...
how many files are sent in parallel, how often does the file get sent?
tacit crane
how many files are sent in parallel, how often does the file get sent?
will increse gradually like from 1-10 in a min to maybe 1k-10k
vocal basin
you will need to chunk it somehow and/or keep track of the progress unless your connection is reliable enough to do GB in one go
really shouldn't be doing more than one file at a time over a single connection
woeful blaze
How is everyone doing today?
tacit crane
really shouldn't be doing more than one file at a time over a single connection
thanks i will check it out
vocal basin
you'll probably run into bandwidth issues before running into CPU issues
vocal basin
really shouldn't be doing more than one file at a time over a single connection
... unless you want to prioritise smaller files
somber heath
Mhm.
vocal basin
I'd generally split those files in two separate queues, small files where you want low latency and large files where it's fine to wait several seconds
tacit crane
In my current project i have a parent node
where i have some file
i am compressing and encrypting it and saving in parent temporary
and sending the file in minimum 5 child node & i will have 100 child node to start with
i will sometime check the file and download from the child to parent
this is the main plan
vocal basin
In my current project i have a parent node
where i have some file
i am compress...
so re-publishing a file?
somber heath
Performance flagged for non-Discord reasons. The excuse to crack down on it was seized.
vocal basin
FileMQ
then definitely look into this one
it specifically focuses on doing publish-subscribe with files
tacit crane
what if i send file via websocket?
i think for big file it might have problem
vocal basin
Like, confirming.
"or maybe he isn't and this is all a cover story 
"
vocal basin
what if i send file via websocket?
i think for big file it might have problem
with big message chunks it should be fine
tacit crane
what should be the max chunk i should use
vocal basin
no less than several tens of kilobytes
tacit crane
ok man thanks. i will try different aproach
vocal basin
@upper basin or just get ice cream delivered to you
vocal basin
creates a 0 as in turns 1 into 10
(binary)
only one that we know of
I don't remember if we had snow this summer
agile lance
What's this discussion about
peak depot
@willow light said that Maine reminds his mother of Norway
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
you can find some of them there
@warm jackal -> @rapid crown
or directly ask Chris (Mindful)/Hemlock
upper basin
Gonna go take a quick break.
primal shadow
calm heron
@wet spoke
wet spoke
what's up
wet spoke
hmmm i'm making mischief
calm heron
making mischief, what are you doing?
wet spoke
encode a mischief string
calm heron
I don't know what a mischief string is
wet spoke
some swear discourse
calm heron
so, curse words and shit
wet spoke
!e
wise cargoBOT
wet spoke
!e
import sys
print(sys.version)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import sys
print(sys.version)
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3.14.0 (main, Oct 14 2025, 03:22:25) [GCC 12.2.0]
!e
import base64
lists=[86, 109, 120, 83, 81, 50, 69, 121, 84, 110, 78, 105, 77, 50, 104, 87, 89, 107, 100, 111, 85, 86, 90, 113, 84, 108, 78, 106, 82, 108, 74, 86, 85, 87, 53, 107, 97, 50, 82, 54, 77, 68, 107, 61]
lists2=''.join(map(chr,lists))
for mvp in range(5):
lists2=base64.b64decode(lists2)
print(lists2.decode('utf-8'))
wise cargoBOT
!e
import base64
lists=[86, 109, 120, 83, 81, 50, 69, 121, 84, 110, 78, 105, 77,...
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Hi Modori
"now do the same in javascript without using any letters"
@tacit crane are the files persisted on the central server?
or just temporarily held for the duration of the transfer between clients
umbral mauve
!e
def HelloWorld(text): print(text)
HelloWorld("print")
wise cargoBOT
!e
def HelloWorld(text): print(text)
HelloWorld("print")
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print
frigid jay
Hlo
wet spoke
hi
wet spoke
is fine
wet spoke
hongkong
wet spoke
yes
wet spoke
i so want it
wet spoke
yes
wet spoke
my teacher like teach me so much easy thing and surplus thing so i want blow up the school
lol
frigid jay
my teacher like teach me so much easy thing and surplus thing so i want blow up ...
Oh so you want to raise the bar
wet spoke
Oh so you want to raise the bar
no
frigid jay
Genius Man
frigid jay
raise to high i will can't learn
Raise it step by step
wet spoke
👀
frigid jay
Math is the reason I love coding
wet spoke
cool
high hare
wet spoke
!e
print('run code')
wise cargoBOT
!e
print('run code')
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run code
done with Websocket
Chunk Size: 512Kb
Scheama:
data = {
"type": "file_chunk",
"identifier": self.identifier,
"chunk_index": self.current_chunk_index,
"total_chunks": self.total_chunks,
"finished": False,
"data": chunk.hex(), # send as hex string
"file_name": self.file_name
}```
Recving as .part file like : ( {identifier}_{file_name}.part{chunk_index} )
After Finish Just Rebuilding from part.
Net Speed: 980 Mbps
Took 18.9s
Test File Size 1GByou're sending hex over the wire?
tacit crane
hm
tacit crane
just bytes?
vocal basin
do proper binary format
send one message with metadata, then another message with data
tacit crane
async def send_file(self, websocket: WebSocket):
try:
self.start_time = time.time()
async with aiofiles.open(self.file_path, 'rb') as f:
while True:
try:
chunk = await f.read(self.chunk_size)
if not chunk:
break
data = {
"type": "file_chunk",
"identifier": self.identifier,
"chunk_index": self.current_chunk_index,
"total_chunks": self.total_chunks,
"finished": False,
"data": chunk.hex(), # send as hex string
"file_name": self.file_name
}
await websocket.send_json(data)
self.sent_bytes += len(chunk)
self.current_chunk_index += 1
except WebSocketDisconnect:
logger.warning(f"WebSocket disconnected while sending file to node {self.node_id}")
return
except Exception as e:
logger.error(f"Error sending chunk {self.current_chunk_index} to node {self.node_id}: {e}")
return
finally:
await asyncio.sleep(0.001) # slight delay to avoid overwhelming the connection
# send finished message
await websocket.send_json({
"type": "file_chunk",
"identifier": self.identifier,
"chunk_index": self.current_chunk_index,
"finished": True,
"file_name": self.file_name
})
duration = time.time() - self.start_time
logger.info(f"Sent file {self.file_name} to node {self.node_id} successfully in {duration:.2f} seconds.")
except Exception as e:
logger.error(f"Error sending file to node {self.node_id}: {e}")```so in first one send all?
metadata
right
vocal basin
await websocket.send_json({
"type": "file_chunk",
"identifier": self.identifier,
"chunk_index": self.current_chunk_index,
"total_chunks": self.total_chunks,
"finished": False,
"file_name": self.file_name
})
await websocket.send(chunk)
something like this
finished would there indicate whether or not to expect a bytes message
vocal basin
I'm only talking about splitting this part
await websocket.send_json(data)
are multiple send_files ran concurrently over the same websocket instance?
tacit crane
yes
vocal basin
```python
await websocket.send_json({
"type": "file_chunk",
"identifier"...
if yes, this needs to be under an asyncio.Mutex
internally WebSocket is mutex-ed too
vocal basin
yes
I recommend using asyncio.Queue of files with a single task processing everything related to a single websocket instead
tacit crane
i can make the parent to do that
sync file 1 by one for each node
i will have 50+ storage node and 1 file will be stored in 4 nodes
vocal basin
I recommend using `asyncio.Queue` of files with a single task processing everyth...
because of the way WebSocket and other message framing protocols work, they really prefer if there's at most one owner of that resource writing to it
tacit crane
oo
vocal basin
somewhat same for reading, but not entirely
tacit crane
!paste
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
*somewhat* same for reading, but not entirely
(depends on whether multi-part sends are involved like in a structure I suggested)
tacit crane
async def _handle_messages(self):
try:
async for msg in self.ws:
if msg.type == aiohttp.WSMsgType.TEXT:
try:
data = json.loads(msg.data)
logger.info(f"Received message: {str(data)[:120]}")
try:
asyncio.create_task(node_file_receive_manager.handle_file_chunk(data))
except Exception:
logger.error(f"Error handling file chunk: {traceback.format_exc()}")
except Exception:
logger.error(f"Error parsing message: {traceback.format_exc()}")
elif msg.type == aiohttp.WSMsgType.ERROR:
logger.error(f"WebSocket error: {self.ws.exception()}")
break
except Exception:
logger.error(f"Error in message loop: {traceback.format_exc()}")```@vocal basin
Anyway Thanks for helping
vocal basin
if you have time for it, read through chapters 1~7 (without the last one) of this book:
https://zguide.zeromq.org/
Too Much Text
vocal basin
it really needs to be read through, without skipping/shortening
tacit crane
OK
vocal basin
there are many historical parts for why certain things are the way they are
and also code samples all the way through
vocal basin
if you have time for it, read through chapters 1~7 (without the last one) of thi...
((chapter 8 is based on certain mispredictions, and has a very wide scope))
somber heath
@tough marsh 👋
paper wolf
sup what u guys doin?
vocal basin
I just remember the name of it
vocal basin
so far, out of demos I played, these games I'll definitely buy later:
- Lumines Arise (from creators of Tetris Effect)
- Cyan Heart (some random horror game)
- Stackflow (funny Tetris)
- Million Depth (the least safe to stream of all these)
currently working on this
https://docs.rs/ruchei-itertools
I got used to that after several years so that's no longer really disorienting for me
@chilly wolf easy fix in my case: just don't have plans at all
paper wolf
i play 0 ~ 0 games
paper wolf
out of 0 downloaded
vocal basin
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3669570/Alchemy_Factory/
@primal shadow magical satisfactory
or something of that sort
paper wolf
wait...
0/0 games played O_O
primal shadow
<@221417491136512010> magical satisfactory
That one looks interesting
vocal basin
RTS, a lot of stuff going on
and this is just hard drugs
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3847360/Lumines_Arise_Demo/
I played that
I still have it installed
last time played: 2022-02-19
vocal basin
so far, out of demos I played, these games I'll definitely buy later:
- Lumines ...
Cairn I'll probably buy too
vocal basin
@wind raptor
❌ game
✅ automation platform
"need to wait some hours until you can switch to 60fps, since it's still Friday in Canada"
if it was a day ago
but
today is not Friday
next demo I'll play
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4039010/OPUS_Prism_Peak_Demo/
previous three games in the series were quite great
@wind raptor very epileptic coverage visualisation
@wind raptor is there a reduced flicker mode I wonder?
I doubt so
@wind raptor the lines lighting up
@wind raptor I'm not currently having serious problems with photosensitivity, but in case someone watching the streams asks to turn it off, there is this
somber heath
@craggy vale Make sure you really know what you're doing there. If you do it at all, you've got to be really careful you're using exactly the right stuff.
craggy vale
<@1186943801558831168> Make sure you *really* know what you're doing there. If y...
yeah
somber heath
Because one little snag, one little whoopsy, and if they haven't designed it to be resistant to screwups, you're up shit creek without a paddle.
vocal basin
GDDR is largely irrelevant for retail consumers, just like all the marketing nanometres, since we aren't exposed to having to deal with that as an interface
vocal basin
<@373121697957543946> I'm not *currently* having serious problems with photosens...
whatever issues I used to have more often didn't end up developing into full photosensitive epilepsy
even though I started having those at an older-than-expected age, which is already a concern
@wind raptor does it simulate soil depletion?
somber heath
"What do you use these resources for?"
"Unlocking things."
Finally, my dream of opening locked doors by using a potato shall be realised.
vocal basin
"What do you use these resources for?"
"Unlocking things."
Finally, my dream of...
lockpickling
sharp summit
sup
vocal basin
I'd expect the game also allows reducing flying resources?
hmm, I don't see so in settings
some other game I played had such setting
somber heath
@slow urchin 👋
vocal basin
you know what has no end?
MINESWEEPER
MINESWEEP MINESWEEP MINESWEEP
sharp summit
you know what has no end?
MINESWEEPER
MINESWEEP MINESWEEP MINESWEEP
i love minesweeper
vocal basin
I'll switch what map I play once I reach 5000 hours
slow urchin
<@324657418602676234> 👋
hey
vocal basin
vocal basin
I'll switch what map I play once I reach 5000 hours
as in I'll just play 2201 mines not 2200
sharp summit
for example
slow urchin
it kinda looks like terraria or something
vocal basin
https://minesweeper.online/game/5167851550
(this is synced to what I'm currently playing)
ohnoe
explosion
from misclick
anyway
another try
brb too
vocal basin
i love minesweeper
I don't remember, did we play PvP at some point?
sharp summit
I don't remember, did we play PvP at some point?
nope
vocal basin
will take a couple more years to finally get to 1500 Elo
another attempt
https://minesweeper.online/game/5168085200
how many mines does it have initially?
or is it actually some sort of boundless mode thing
sharp summit
how many mines does it have initially?
99 mines
vocal basin
so expert but on a bigger field?
instead of 30x16
!e
print(24 * 20)
print(30 * 16)
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001 | 480
002 | 480
... or differently arranged
(idk if the last row there is actually last, or if there are more underneath)
vocal basin
!e
print(99 / (30 * 16))
print(2200 / (100 * 100))
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001 | 0.20625
002 | 0.22
prime echo
How can I join the voice call and unmute
vocal basin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
prime echo
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
if you have embeds disabled, that message tells to go to #voice-verification
gambling didn't pay off
vocal basin
gambling didn't pay off
woeful blaze
self.agent = self.loader.loadModel("Untitled.obj")
^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'Myapp' object has no attribute 'loader'
#==={imports}===#
from panda3d.core import *
from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
class Myapp(ShowBase):
def __init__(self):
self.agent = self.loader.loadModel("Untitled.obj")
self.agent.reparentTo(self.render)
app = Myapp()
app.run()
from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
class MyApp(ShowBase):
def __init__(self):
ShowBase.__init__(self)
app = MyApp()
app.run()
super().__init__()```panda??? is it 2d graphics lib?
woeful blaze
paper wolf
is this level 1000???
vocal basin
is this level 1000???
100x100/2200
paper wolf
💀
vocal basin
22% density, relatively high but still within normal
somber heath
@storm smelt @wet spoke 👋
wet spoke
<@705348650422763541> <@1193440024323166231> 👋
what's up
somber heath
@vivid widget 👋
vivid widget
hi
woeful blaze
thank you
wet spoke
!e
class hiA:
def init(self,something):
self.something=something
def printer(self):
print(self.something)
class hiB(hiA):
def init(self,something='Preset'):
super().init(something)
def see(self):
super().printer()
hiB=hiB('hi')
hiB.see()
wise cargoBOT
!e
class hiA:
def __init__(self,something):
self.something=something...
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hi
!e
raise MemoryError('just nothing')
wise cargoBOT
!e
raise MemoryError('just nothing')
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | raise MemoryError('just nothing')
004 | [1;35mMemoryError[0m: [35mjust nothing[0m
🤓
vocal basin
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
```ansi
001 | Tracebac...
!e
f"{1:0<{1:0<10}}"
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | f"[1;31m{1:0<{1:0<10}}[0m"
004 | [1;31m^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mMemoryError[0m
?
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
f"{1:0<{1:0<{1:0<10}}}"
```
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | f"{1:0<[1;31m{1:0<{1:0<10}}[0m}"
004 | [1;31m^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mMemoryError[0m
!e
raise MemoryError('that was so fun')
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
f"{1:0<{1:0<20}}"
```
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | f"[1;31m{1:0<{1:0<20}}[0m"
004 | [1;31m^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mValueError[0m: [35mToo many decimal digits in format string[0m
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | raise MemoryError('that was so fun')
004 | [1;35mMemoryError[0m: [35mthat was so fun[0m
this
hint at what happens
wet spoke
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
```ansi
001 | Tracebac...
👽 f-string can't use in f-string
!e
class A:
def print_and_call(self):
print('A C')
C().print_and_call()
class B(A):
def print_and_call(self):
print('B A')
super().print_and_call()
class C(B):
def print_and_call(self):
print('C B')
super().print_and_call()
A().print_and_call()
wise cargoBOT
!e
class A:
def print_and_call(self):
print('A C')
C().print...
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | A C
002 | C B
003 | B A
004 | A C
005 | C B
006 | B A
007 | A C
008 | C B
009 | B A
010 | A C
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: unable to upload
vocal basin
👽 f-string can't use in f-string
evaluation of format specifiers is indeed nested
!e
print(f"{123:{1 + 2 = }}")
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | print(f"[1;31m{123:{1 + 2 = }}[0m")
004 | [1;31m^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mValueError[0m: [35mInvalid format specifier '1 + 2 = 3' for object of type 'int'[0m
this
vocal basin
!e
f"{123:{f"{f"a" * 5}" + f"b" = }}"
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | f"[1;31m{123:{f"{f"a" * 5}" + f"b" = }}[0m"
004 | [1;31m^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mValueError[0m: [35mInvalid format specifier 'f"{f"a" * 5}" + f"b" = 'aaaaab'' for object of type 'int'[0m
!e
raise ValueError('MVP')
wise cargoBOT
!e
raise ValueError('MVP')
:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m1[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | raise ValueError('MVP')
004 | [1;35mValueError[0m: [35mMVP[0m
!e
a=91;b=78;aa=f"123:a5+b = {a5+b}";print(aa)
wise cargoBOT
!e
a=91;b=78;aa=f"123:a*5+b = {a*5+b}";print(aa)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
123:a*5+b = 533
!e
import time
print(time.strftime('%Y/%m/%d %H:%M:%S',time.localtime()))
wise cargoBOT
!e
import time
print(time.strftime('%Y/%m/%d %H:%M:%S',time.localtime()))
:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.
2025/10/19 06:34:37
it is UTC time(?
dry jasper
obsidian dragon
shiny
simple blaze
woeful blaze
Yes but they made a game software
whole bear
Hiiiiii @wind raptor
just reading server chats
wbu
well I have a question for u
do u watch dramas?
kdrama?
cdrama?
yeah
yeah
😔 oh okay
naah, everyone got their taste
wind raptor
!cpban 1242446528719749173
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @acoustic mason until <t:1761242924:f> (4 days).
versed heath
orchid abyss
yo
could u guys rate it?
ur thoghts?
about my project it would be helpfull
@peak depot
would u like to rate maybe?
@wind raptor Chris would u like to rate it ?
whole bear
@wind raptor can I dm you?
orchid abyss
haki what u think about it
whole bear
haki what u think about it
I don't open github in holidays 🙄
whole bear
Happy birthday @peak depot
short owl
can cats eat cake @peak depot
peak depot
No cos we ate it all
short owl
ohhhhhhhhhhh
wind raptor
could u guys rate it?
Do not post unapproved advertising
orchid abyss
sorry so u hated it ?
muted silo
💀 this is no worse than a horror movie
orchid abyss
it is ok
wind raptor
sorry so u hated it ?
You cannot just post your project on this server without it coming up naturally in a conversation, otherwise, it's considered advertising.
orchid abyss
You cannot just post your project on this server without it coming up naturally ...
didnt know that ok sorry dude
orchid abyss
ty
wind raptor
This should be useful:
muted silo
.
wind raptor
vocal basin
@wind raptor I started working on async-itertools for Rust finally
!d itertools.zip_longest
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
for now only this, but Rust equivalent
this has just crashed the system
average windows experience
we do know ABF
angle
I'm just trying to brute-force-find all the equal ones
wind raptor
vocal basin
OH WAIT THERE ARE TWO CIRCLES
I literally didn't see the second one
@wind raptor ||79|| I think?
is F the centre of the smaller circle?
correction
here you only use the equal-angle thingy
when two parts of a triangle are radii
vocal basin
correction
blue is trivial to find here
sure, because that's not a guy
(180-114)/3
green+(green+114)+green=180
you overengineered it with all the right angles
oh look new spam
(just got deleted)
wind raptor
!cpban 273571956761034753
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @jagged mortar until <t:1761247443:f> (4 days).
vocal basin
90deg-x/3 (x=33deg) seem to be a general solution there
vocal basin
most of those rules are trivial to derive on the fly
from just the definition of a circle and fifth postulate
from what I was hearing, you totally ignored the second circle too, just like I initially did
vocal basin
from just the definition of a circle and fifth postulate
all this maths, unfortunately, doesn't work without the latter
@wind raptor peer-reviewed answer
inside both circles
why would you ever use Pascal
oh wait Haskell
as existence of pandoc and cabal shows, even the strong typing of Haskell doesn't prevent code getting totally fucked up and dysfunctional
finishing things is important
at least some steps thereof
wind raptor
!stream 427903354723631114
wise cargoBOT
✅ @sly kernel can now stream until <t:1760903126:f>.
wind raptor
Hey @elfin fractal 👋
elfin fractal
Hello
vocal basin
you're in Haskell, you can create your own debugging layer for computation
debug monad
calm spire
<@&831776746206265384> I'm sorry for pining. but i didn't find how i can get Video perm i asked someone told me to ask a mod
calm spire
<#764802555427029012>
video not voice
vocal basin
you have two moderators right there in the voicechat
wind raptor
<@&831776746206265384> I'm sorry for pining. but i didn't find how i can get Vid...
Video perms are given my mods that are in the chat for a temporary amount of time.
calm spire
~~you have two moderators right there in the voicechat~~
oh i didn't realise that😂
calm spire
Video perms are given my mods that are in the chat for a temporary amount of tim...
like i need to be some time on the chat or what?
wind raptor
We give it out as it is needed. The permission is temporary.
wind raptor
!stream 1251680506429313076
wise cargoBOT
✅ @calm spire can now stream until <t:1760903967:f>.
vocal basin
time to play more random demos
wind raptor
time to play more random demos
Found anything good yet?
vocal basin
Found anything good yet?
wind raptor
Nice
calm spire
@wind raptor i'm trying to lower the sen but lower more then this will let my voice cut randomly
vocal basin
time to play more random demos
presumably this game has a sleep mechanic and you can't just fall asleep whenever you like
wind raptor
!stream 1251680506429313076
wise cargoBOT
✅ @calm spire can now stream until <t:1760904320:f>.
vocal basin
@heavy zenith calloc?
calm spire
@wind raptor i just opened wrong file and my bot token showed up for small time ;-;..
@wind raptor WHAT???
n what
dude i'm black
wind raptor
!unstream 1251680506429313076
wise cargoBOT
❌ This member doesn't have video permissions to remove!
@calm spire's stream has been suspended!
calm spire
@wind raptor so done i changed all folders name. can i sharescreen again ?
;-;..
ok
vocal basin
@heavy zenith no
but
mostly yes
@heavy zenith sometimes it also acts as free and sometimes it also acts as malloc
steel delta
what the fuck are you guys doing
vocal basin
if you give it a valid non-zero pointer and non-zero size, only then it will do what you described
allocates a new portion of memory, copies, frees the old one
realloc has weird semantics
it's three functions mixed into one
@heavy zenith which C version are you using?
which standard
C23 or earlier
in any case, don't give a size of 0 to realloc
steel delta
are we building anything or just hangout
vocal basin
are we building anything or just hangout
@heavy zenith is making something in C
realloc(NULL, new_size) is malloc(new_size)
I'm sure WA can give you both the answer and the proof if you ask correctly
vocal basin
<:pithink:652247559909277706>
I found some single-player Tarkov type thing
and a bit Stalker-like
3 days ago
but I'm playing a different one
vocal basin
3 days ago
first game on the recommendation list lol
vocal basin
I found some single-player Tarkov type thing
what I'm currently playing
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1963610/Road_to_Vostok/
regular military or whatever is left of it, not sure
these are broken for some reason
iron geyser
🤫
dry jasper
vocal basin
give it a mullet
dry jasper
vocal basin
platypus
wind raptor
!stream 381154715293188106
wise cargoBOT
✅ @dry jasper can now stream until <t:1760906361:f>.
vocal basin
one of the few
@heavy zenith also echidnas
ah, yes, the two foundational works of literature
@heavy zenith they are dinosaurs, yes, because it's a clade
dry jasper
vocal basin
I don't think these belong in a fridge
vocal basin
vocal basin
what I'm currently playing
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1963610/Road_to_Vo...
@dry jasper that game has a very non-hardcore TTK, so actually not sure how close that is to Tarkov
damage intake is very casual; shotgun doing something like 10~20% from the distance the bots were attacking me
though, tbf, those are the "dumb" bots which probably don't aim well
somber heath
@onyx dock 👋
onyx dock
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
craggy vale
No it's not working
wind raptor
!stream 1186943801558831168
wise cargoBOT
✅ @craggy vale can now stream until <t:1760964492:f>.
wind raptor
!cpban 733595614050517043
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @jaunty raptor until <t:1761310135:f> (4 days).
wind raptor
Over here @coarse apex
coarse apex
yeah
yeah
I'm just tryna look for likely minded people
I'm a sopohmore in college in iowa
lol
wth
we gotta do anti hazing but theres only one fraty
frat
and its more of a philantrophy
yeah
I wanna learn how to code
so I wanna talk to more people
yes
I'm struggling w my classes
and idk how to start
yes im cs and data scii
Ik python
but I cant implement it cause
i havent done any porjkect
yeah
I cant make logic
but i underdtand everything
like the syntaxes and everything
but how do I get started
like
just follow tutotrial im gonna be stuck with tutorial hell.
like automate smth?
I really need a to-do app that makes me accountable of my work and if I dont do my task the alarm will go off
lmao
peak depot
vocal basin
domain mapping
coarse apex
why'd you say you'll never finish the to-do app?
vocal basin
<@373121697957543946> unless the language is APL
people do use uiua which is based on APL
coarse apex
Oh I see
wind raptor
!stream 1186943801558831168
wise cargoBOT
✅ @craggy vale can now stream until <t:1760965604:f>.
spark umbra
tg
coarse apex
hey chris do I have to be in the voice message for 9 - 10 min blocks?
i have to be here for 10 mins but for 9 times?
😭
wind raptor
Not exactly. You have to send 1 message every 10 minutes 9 times
coarse apex
ohh okay
its so restrcitive/
oh 🙂
it sucksss
😭
hmmm
where are you from?
yeah ik
I wish I could talk
🙂
😭
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thoughts?
coarse apex
wait let me try again
primal shadow
AI Gen code?
coarse apex
sorry milien where you from?
Ohh
did you ask me smth?
oh
do you mind me asking where
in Ru
EU*
😭
you guys are funny
lmao
wise cargoBOT
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coarse apex
😭
lets see if I can talk now
still cant
tough.
dont fight guys 😭
this voice is not unlocked yet ahh
okay may I speak now
bro
its still not working 😭
almost there
lets try again
I think I'm still at 8 blocks
Okay i'll text again ina bit
hope it works or smth
lets try now
so idk how to exit the ps to run my code
primal shadow
vocal basin
longer to type
yeah, main is shorter
and kind of clearer
also
consider using latest or stable
if that's what main stands for in your repo
@coarse apex there is a way to configure default branch name locally
it's not a question
while you're at it, I highly recommend also configuring ff-only pulls
automatic -u is nice
but I don't use it
you can for now filter out what you don't understand
scarlet halo
which state is that
vocal basin
while you're at it, I highly recommend also configuring ff-only pulls
(you won't need this until you collaborate with others or have multiple local copies)
https://graphite.dev/guides/git-config-ff-only
fossil valve
which state is that
ig usa country
vocal basin
USA LLC
coarse apex
which state is that
iowa
scarlet halo
i know that's the US but theres a couple of these things called "states"
vocal basin
(in reference to `King 810 — raindance")
fossil valve
ooohhhh
scarlet halo
what do you guys thing about "king trump" flying a plane and spewing brown goo on protesters? (the AI video)
fossil valve
what do you guys thing about "king trump" flying a plane and spewing brown goo o...
bad impression on public i think
vocal basin
what do you guys thing about "king trump" flying a plane and spewing brown goo o...
AI video
or so the Germans would have us believe
fossil valve
@whole bear
amber raptor
what do you guys thing about "king trump" flying a plane and spewing brown goo o...
It’s straight trolling
primal shadow
what do you guys thing about "king trump" flying a plane and spewing brown goo o...
That's the new normal it seems, the president shitting on his citizens
vocal basin
That's the new normal it seems, the president shitting on his citizens
from some comment online:
I miss the good old times when governments pissed on our backs and told us it was raining, now they just piss on our faces and tell us it's piss
@amber raptor example from today: docker hub is down
container world is ending
scarlet halo
<@113304266269003776> example from today: docker hub is down
wait people use docker hub?
vocal basin
that's the default
vocal basin
wait people use docker hub?
docker run stuff pulls from docker.io/library/stuff, which is /_/stuff on docker hub
scarlet halo
confused it for docker desktop 🤦♂️
vocal basin
this seems to be global
vocal basin
this seems to be global
this is not me cropping it like that
it just shows me it this way
primal shadow
coarse apex
vocal basin
❌ not old enough to drive
✅ old enough to own a gun in Vermont
is chief vibe officer a thing yet
cvo
code vomit organiser
@peak depot it's like the enormous parking lots but for bodies
EVERYTHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS
@dry jasper insurance(-ish)?
(the "subscription")
coarse apex
vocal basin
I think it got broken entirely
aaaaaaaaa
nothing works
now functioning
> small
> 7.1GB
70 minutes left until demos expire
some demos
I opened it for, like, 3 minutes, something felt off, and I just switched to playing other demos
coarse apex
guys
vocal basin
reminded me of Hydroneer a bit
vocal basin
asks for password?
@coarse apex did you add+commit?
you need to stage (git add), then you need to commit (git commit)
run git status
vocal basin
run `git status`
@coarse apex
vocal basin
run `git status`
whenever stuff is in an unknown state
two main commands you should know:
git status
git reflog
one tells you what happens now, the other tells you what happened historically
git commit threw you into Vim?
default editor that Git Bash ships with
@coarse apex
git switch master
git reset --hard main
git push
these three are generally non-destructive, safe to run
lmao
__ref__erence log
re-flog
in what base
C++ for HFT
vocal basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX2nF1fW7kI
@amber raptor the
cryptocurrency is mostly chain-specific stuff and Rust from what I remember
"NFT as opposed to HFT: no frequency instead of high, just because of how slow it is"
vocal basin
I don't want to interact with any cryptocurrency other than Monero
primal shadow
vocal basin
@frosty garnet no
neural net doesn't apply to mining crypto
linear algebra does
no it's not similar
it's not similar maths
one is floating point, the other is integer
different parts thereof
you don't really need CUDA for mining, a lot of it has been done with plain OpenCL
people no longer use GPUs as much for mining cryptocurrencies, for various reasons
multiprocessing has always been there
you mean threading
@frosty garnet you mean threading.
for fucks sake
I'm not asking you for what it is, I'm telling you
cursive quiver
you had to use the multi thread library right?
cursive quiver
@frosty garnet
cursive quiver
GILed?
vocal basin
but you can build the compiler differently
you mean threading FOR FUCKS SAKE
multithreading not multiprocessing
dense ibex
@amber raptor why AWS down my entire school is fucked like our id cards rely on that shit
vocal basin
@frosty garnet STOP USING THE PHRASE MULTIPROCESSING
cursive quiver
<@113304266269003776> why AWS down my entire school is fucked like our id cards ...
it's still down?
cursive quiver
multi threading is diffrent right?
dense ibex
it's still down?
I believe so
cursive quiver
I believe so
I thought the outage only lasted 2 hours
cursive quiver
wouldn't that be slower?
@amber raptor
vocal basin
https://towardsdatascience.com/python-3-14-and-the-end-of-the-gil/
two
point
fucking
six
it's been there for so long
cursive quiver
that's always been there
cursive quiver
same memory
vocal basin
this is the only mention of multiprocessing
cursive quiver
multi process starts a new instance
vocal basin
your 3.14 is likely GILed even nowadays
cursive quiver
yeh multi processing would be slower
vocal basin
unless you compile it yourself
GILless build option has been there in 3.13 too
but it was more experimental
also
cursive quiver
darn it
vocal basin
even prior to 3.13, you could have multiple separate interpreters even within the same process
some libraries made use of it prior the big GIL removal began in general public interface
cursive quiver
I'm happy I chose data science
amber raptor
<@113304266269003776> why AWS down my entire school is fucked like our id cards ...
My guess is SaaS software they bought is in AWs
vocal basin
(mostly limited to components of the standard library)
wise loom
@paper wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6AXBiEdKtI
I think James got some Lenovo deal, he's pushing out tons of thinkpad videos lately
vocal basin
@frosty garnet threads not processes
cursive quiver
<@1200330195387813903> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6AXBiEdKtI
I think James...
ew a thinkpad
vocal basin
it used to be that case that each thread would have to acquire GIL to interpret Python
it's still the default
3.14 still uses GIL
@frosty garnet stop using the word multiprocessing, this is threading
it's the wrong term contextually
wise loom
ew a thinkpad
you don't like??
vocal basin
multiprocessing in Python means spawning separate processes and separate interpreters
cursive quiver
you don't like??
not a big fan, they're good if you're low on money
but other than that
don't like the structure
wise loom
not a big fan, they're good if you're low on money
yes, most people low on money
vocal basin
GIL is for using multiple threads on the same interpreter
cursive quiver
yes, most people low on money
true true
wise loom
don't like the structure
wdym by structure, it's a sturdy machine, you can drop it on the floor
cursive quiver
wdym by structure, it's a sturdy machine, you can drop it on the floor
fr?
cursive quiver
damn maybe I was wrong about that
frosty garnet
vocal basin
The performance penalty on single-threaded code in free-threaded mode is now roughly 5-10%, depending on the platform and C compiler used.
maybe just stop using WSGI at all
Flask Flask Flask
async is best in single-threaded setting
(asyncio is non-thread-safe)
@frosty garnet not in Python
asyncio in Python is largely about assuming single-threaded-ness
a lot of code relies on the fact that it can do load-modify-store and not have data races
if you're using async right, you can scale up to a relatively high performance even in Python even on a single thread
you're already on a shared cache, the FS cache
@amber raptor Rails switched to SQLite'ing everything now
(ditched Redis and RabbitMQ or whatever other queue they had)
unix socket it?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Valkey#Listen_on_socket
unixsocket /run/valkey/valkey.sock
you can also have distributed SQLite but why
vocal basin
(`asyncio` is non-thread-safe)
if you do want multi-threaded async, C#/Java/Go/Rust
amber raptor
if you do want multi-threaded async, C#/Java/Go/Rust
Real language
vocal basin
Rust in my experience was the easiest to deploy, but the compile times are hell
x25 sounds expected
PyPy
that is going to crash and burn
cursive quiver
@amber raptorwould you move to mojo if it has the packages?
vocal basin
PyPy has less support
hiring, yeah, I'd expect to be excessively difficult
I personally know of only a few programmers for whom Rust is picked for productivity not for performance
vocal basin
were you ever running PyPy in prod?
I know someone who has, but they had to control the entire stack, rewriting all the networking
they roll their own async
cursive quiver
https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/is-python-really-that-slow
Python is fast!
A unicorn told me
amber raptor
I find Golang/Java/.Net to be sweet spot between code writing complexity and runtime performance
vocal basin
boring and works
imo they're not terse, they're verbose
Rust and Perl are terse
K is terse
if you haven't seen K, your bar for terse is probably still happily low
vocal basin
K is terse
things you wouldn't want to debug
to do C++ you really need to limit yourself to some small dialect thereof
with certain fixes patched on top of the standard library
C++ is self-inconsistent
C++26
C++26 is finally getting reflection
so you no longer have to write the same operators every single time
one of proposed use cases for reflection was to fix the rules of automatically generating operators
(equality, copy, move)
a = b in C++ is generally a copy
which is where you eventually realise there is no way other than having to dig into the details of why
doing copy on each assignment is why a lot of C++ is way slower than it should be
@radiant iron 👋
Python's aim for perfectionism is in different areas compared to C++
perfect expressiveness over perfect performance
or rather clarity than expressiveness
vocal basin
things you wouldn't want to debug
this is what happens when expressiveness is the only value
@frosty garnet that's part of why reflection
Rust is not simple at all, but you can do a lot of things quickly thanks to that complexity rather than fighting it like in C++
it's not aiming for beautiful code like Ruby does
but there are certain choices it made inspired by Ruby's care for syntax
for example future.await instead of await future