voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

like this cross-marketing abomination
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/55407/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club_Plus__Noctuary/
the only reasons for these two to be together:

• same publisher
• both are VNs with some gameplay added in

_Plus__
why is it _ but then __

[plain dagger]

is noctuary any good?

[vocal basin]

yes

but long

30~40 hours

[plain dagger]

i got obsessed with hollow knight

already got 105%

[vocal basin]

Noctuary is VN with combat scenes

there isn't much happening related to combat that connects one such scene to the other

you do get upgrades there but you don't, like, lock yourself in by picking a certain upgrade route

can always re-assign points

[vocal basin]

(gameplay-/progression-wise)

((but progression, in some form, does exist))

I also, after 70 hours finally found out what one of the skills does

[plain dagger]

ohhh is forgiving then

[vocal basin]

which is available from minute 1 of gameplay

(just never actually tried using it)

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor ||really dark|| might be the third item there

@primal shadow E2EE

you have the same in WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal/Keybase

[vocal basin]

I think at least

[plain dagger]

is what they tell you

ahahaahahah

[vocal basin]

@primal shadow you can check the codes match off discord

@wind raptor new item in "funny accidental mod actions" just dropped

I absolutely did notice that

Discord really needs an option to opt out of moderating temporarily

@primal shadow bot can get offline

[plain dagger]

how do facebook get the data then if its E2EE? (whatsapp)

[vocal basin]

you consent to sharing it directly with Facebook

when you accept WhatsApp ToS

message content isn't actually shared normally

afaik it's mostly contacts-level stuff

and everything else they can collect except for messages' content

[plain dagger]

i thought that once, but over 2 years ago i tried like spamming some product

and then i got ads about it on instagram

(in the messages)

[vocal basin]

it's meant to be shared afaik

[plain dagger]

then changed the theme and the ads changed, that was like invasive af

[vocal basin]

doesn't match

so not a public key

[plain dagger]

it should match 1-1, yeah not "public" (in the sense of more than the sender-receiver)

[vocal basin]

seems to match

or so the Germans would have us believe

[plain dagger]

sounds like war codes

1-0-4-6-1

[vocal basin]

💥

the best move is not to call

@wind raptor E2EE

[plain dagger]

man in the middle

[vocal basin]

I accidentally pressed ctrl w

end-to-end encryption

which Discord allegedly uses at times

WebRTC is an unsafe hole happening over raw UDP

[plain dagger]

to avoid a man in the middle attack

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor when there is MitM happening to an E2EE thingy each party will see the public key of the hacker instead of the other party

(simplified)

[plain dagger]

to avoid the (happy goverment department) picking your discord account

[vocal basin]

remember: Wumpus will never be able to hear you because Wumpus is not your friend because Wumpus has no friends

[primal shadow]

Wumpus is not Tom

Wumpus does not need to lie to Wumpus

[plain dagger]

+1 to opal

[vocal basin]

I trust Keybase and Signal enough for general use cases

[plain dagger]

us gorverment used signal

[vocal basin]

but, yes, for security critical I have made my own E2EE chat stuff before

[plain dagger]

my experience with whatsapp tells me that they see the messages even if they tell you they dont

with E2EE

[vocal basin]

more than once

WhatsApp is bad user experience

its E2EE is so clumsy

[plain dagger]

telegram, signal > whatsapp

[vocal basin]

Keybase seems to be the most of secure plus usable minus anonymous

[plain dagger]

that happens when you have a company that every small changeneeds an overcomplex doc about how the thing works that has to be approved by a council of other engs and then be made in like a week because of product pressure

the meta eng experience

[vocal basin]

(it's non-anonymous by design)

https://github.com/keybase/client

[plain dagger]

sup @kindred plover

classic ai-assistant based workflow

[vocal basin]

Keybase still doesn't have a business model

it's just being kept alive enough to exist

[plain dagger]

like twitter?

(before elon)

[somber heath]

@unkempt garden 👋

[vocal basin]

with way fewer users

so not bleeding money of whoever is responsible for keeping it alive

(Zoom)

[plain dagger]

i dont understand how twitter was kept alive, it was just value expenctancy

and then boom bought on billions

[vocal basin]

typical venture capital

only surprising how that seemingly didn't involve a SPAC

@kindred plover anything networking and concurrent => asyncio not threading

!d asyncio.create_task

[wise cargo]

asyncio.create\_task

asyncio.create_task(coro, *, name=None, context=None)```
Wrap the *coro* [coroutine](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine) into a [`Task`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#asyncio.Task) and schedule its execution. Return the Task object.

If *name* is not `None`, it is set as the name of the task using [`Task.set_name()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#asyncio.Task.set_name).

An optional keyword-only *context* argument allows specifying a custom [`contextvars.Context`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/contextvars.html#contextvars.Context) for the *coro* to run in. The current context copy is created when no *context* is provided...

[vocal basin]

!d asyncio.Semaphore

[wise cargo]

asyncio.Semaphore

class asyncio.Semaphore(value=1)```
A Semaphore object. Not thread-safe.

A semaphore manages an internal counter which is decremented by each [`acquire()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-sync.html#asyncio.Semaphore.acquire) call and incremented by each [`release()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-sync.html#asyncio.Semaphore.release) call. The counter can never go below zero; when [`acquire()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-sync.html#asyncio.Semaphore.acquire) finds that it is zero, it blocks, waiting until some task calls [`release()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-sync.html#asyncio.Semaphore.release).

The optional *value* argument gives the initial value for the internal counter (`1` by default). If the given value is less than `0` a [`ValueError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#ValueError) is raised...

[vocal basin]

this does concurrency

[vocal basin]

this limits concurrency

!d asyncio.TaskGroup

[wise cargo]

asyncio.TaskGroup

class asyncio.TaskGroup```
An [asynchronous context manager](https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#async-context-managers) holding a group of tasks. Tasks can be added to the group using [`create_task()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#asyncio.create_task). All tasks are awaited when the context manager exits.

Added in version 3.11.

[vocal basin]

probably use this instead of regular create_task though

threading gives any sort of performance only on 3.14 or 3.13 if you compile it differently

(as far as interpreting Python itself goes)

tf did I just read (this and three next messages) #code-help-voice-text message

[primal shadow]

What's brown and sticky? || A Stick ||

[vocal basin]

"what's red and smells like blue paint"

[primal shadow]

||red paint||

[vocal basin]

is this considered morning yet

[primal shadow]

getting too late for me

[vocal basin]

explosion

not sure if it's back to alive

it's not

now alive

💥

[glad river]

hello

hello hello

for (hello in range(hellos)):
print('hello' * hello)

hmmm

i forget python syntax lol

I'm good

you?

goodnight

[vocal basin]

@willow light the [got renamed] industry

[plain dagger]

@willow light they are being built to give candies more faster

[vocal basin]

@willow light sounds like they advanced quite a bit since project acoustikitty

[somber heath]

@ruby fossil 👋

[ruby fossil]

Won't let me talk

[vocal basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[ruby fossil]

How are yall

Dang guess I haven't been as active as I thought

Haha I appreciate it
Yall working on anything cool?

[vocal basin]

need to finish all this in 2 days
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/milestone/1

seems doable

[ruby fossil]

What will the utility do with streams?

[plain dagger]

what are you using that for?

[ruby fossil]

Is that 12 c or f?

[vocal basin]

Celsius presumably

[ruby fossil]

Im Alaskan so 12 f ain't too bad to me.

[plain dagger]

was playing league

got depression instantly

impressive how some people are so braindead

[ruby fossil]

Celsius honestly makes a ton of sense

@plain dagger it be like that

[vocal basin]

non-interface stuff that PvP minesweeper uses from that

• ruchei::group_concurrent
• ruchei::multicast::replay
• ruchei::poll_on_wake
• ruchei::timeout_unused
• ruchei::with_extra

[ruby fossil]

I just play osrs now only sadness is the hours of grind which I love

@vocal basin that sounds really awesome!

@somber heath have tried it does

[vocal basin]

.wa s -20 F to C

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

-28.89 °C (degrees Celsius)

[ruby fossil]

@willow light it hits a point in which you can't even tell your freezing to death 😂

[plain dagger]

going for another one

im a fucking addict

[vocal basin]

play minesweeper, feel nothing at all after 4 thousand hours

[ruby fossil]

😂

[plain dagger]

what if i do a minesweeper?

but as a RTT game

kind of a moba

[vocal basin]

which where

[plain dagger]

youll have to sign an NDA agreement first

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaa

[ruby fossil]

Holy heck

That's nuts

[plain dagger]

lets fucking gooooo

[ruby fossil]

Oh boy how many times will you rage?

[plain dagger]

enough to go back to emerald

[whole bear]

I wish India was homogeneous

[nocturne raft]

Oooouu I see league

[whole bear]

bhutan won't have to deal with so many culture

[ruby fossil]

The verify keeps saying I'm verified but still won't let me talk. Pretty sure I used to vc on this server before.

[vocal basin]

I don't remember how high the mountains that I've been to were

[vocal basin]

reconnect

[plain dagger]

10k

[vocal basin]

10k football fields tall

[plain dagger]

olympus height

[willow light]

https://youtu.be/P-QZ5Om9_20?si=EqLj5oa1U5Xiwr7X

[vocal basin]

I think something around 2 or 3 km

[willow light]

https://youtu.be/2P2oOcNsnnA?si=okCfk20plNgkYPPL

[whole bear]

@frosty shell A decade maybe

[vocal basin]

AI hype survives until new big NFT wave starts and everyone switches to that

[whole bear]

Despite being a big thing of this decade

[vocal basin]

I write and format SQL migrations by hand, never letting AI near that

[plain dagger]

agree its the new blockchain

[willow light]

Getting serious 2007 vibes

It's the new cold fusion

[whole bear]

It has not been used by most of humanity yet...

It has time to penetrate in developing and under developed economies

[vocal basin]

@willow light subprime deuterium

[whole bear]

At best the total number of ai users globally is 0.9 billion

[vocal basin]

AI is like that time people tried adding cocaine and Uranium into everything

[whole bear]

The total number of internet users is 5.5 billion

[vocal basin]

what qualifies as "AI user"?

[whole bear]

To use at least general ai like Chatgpt

[nocturne raft]

Do you think this number is accurate? seems inflated and deflated at the same time.

[vocal basin]

@willow light
C
C+ -- Objective C
C++
C+++ -- Java
C++++ -- C#

[vocal basin]

so everyone that searches stuff on google counts?

[somber heath]

I wonder if anyone did both at the same time.

[whole bear]

Nope because, google is a search engine and its overview is shit

[frosty shell]

https://github.com/codecrafters-io/build-your-own-x

[somber heath]

Other than what's "naturally" in the environment just contaminating everything.

[vocal basin]

so quality is a requirement to qualify?

[whole bear]

Yes..

[whole bear]

No...
Like daily users who directly interact with AI..

Google summary or overview is not direct it is, indirect and forced

[vocal basin]

specifically LLMs?

and specifically to generate text?

excluding translation

[nocturne raft]

happens to the best of us.

[whole bear]

Number is calculated based on active number of accounts on different ai platforms..

This data excludes China and some countries which have closed internet.

So the number of active accounts which interact or use AI primarily not something mixed like google search with shit ai summary or else

[whole bear]

@vocal basin

[whole bear]

Does count only if the user has an account or device capable of it.

Like I have in-built ai translation and overview it works even when I'm offline

[whole bear]

@nocturne raft How did you become a US citizen, I'm curious to know about your journey

[whole bear]

It reminds of artic cold war

[nocturne raft]

I shall be back. :v

[nocturne raft]

Newbie question here.
Do you guys use Tab or 4 space when indenting something for an "if" statement?

[somber heath]

Python default convention is four spaces per one level of indentation.

!pep8

[wise cargo]

PEP 8

PEP 8 is the official style guide for Python. It includes comprehensive guidelines for code formatting, variable naming, and making your code easy to read. Professional Python developers are usually required to follow the guidelines, and will often use code-linters like flake8 to verify that the code they're writing complies with the style guide.

More information:

• PEP 8 document
• Our PEP 8 song! :notes:

[somber heath]

A tab press gives you four spaces in participating editors.

The overarching guideline is consistency, including being consistent with the technologies and codebases you're interacting with, e.g. API endpoint names.

Some Google codebases use two spaces per one indent.

If you were working in such a codebase, using two spaces would be more appropriate than using four.

[somber heath]

Another term you can use is "compound" statement.

[nocturne raft]

Thanks. I think VScode automatically turns tab into 4 spaces.

[somber heath]

@grand nexus 👋

@unreal magnet 👋

[unreal magnet]

Helloo

[nocturne raft]

I just submitted another assignment 🙂 I got the correct and right output but wondering if there is any feedback on.

!e ```py
hrs = input("Enter Hours:")
rph = input("Enter Hourly Pay:")
h = float(hrs)
r = float(rph)
xt = h-40
otr = 1.5
if h <= 40 :
print(hr)
if h > 40 :
h = 40
print(rotrxt + (hr))

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Enter Hours:Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     hrs = input("Enter Hours:")
004 | EOFError: EOF when reading a line

[unreal magnet]

@bright tinsel Hi, just to know, are you indian?

[bright tinsel]

Yeah why?

[unreal magnet]

me too

[bright tinsel]

Where u from?

[unreal magnet]

but the name "Ethan"? 😅

[unreal magnet]

Maharashtra

[bright tinsel]

I am christian

[unreal magnet]

oh

[somber heath]

I thought you said your name was Ethan.

[bright tinsel]

My religion is christian

[unreal magnet]

you from proper delhi or what?

[plain dagger]

i had to leave hours before, someone litterally tried to break inside my apt

[unreal magnet]

my name's Rohit though 😅

[somber heath]

@noble jolt 👋

[nocturne raft]

Hi @haughty pier

[bright tinsel]

Yeah Delhi

[bright tinsel]

Nice to meet you Rohit

[nocturne raft]

This is the basic "programming" I've done.

[plain dagger]

python is fine if you arent handling like millions of connections, its okay

[nocturne raft]

Connections like devices?

[plain dagger]

hey i think i saw that app inthe past

how is it called?

[bright tinsel]

Noicee

[nocturne raft]

Bitfocus Companion @plain dagger

https://bitfocus.io/companion

[plain dagger]

mux

thats all you need

[nocturne raft]

What is Mux?

[plain dagger]

https://github.com/gorilla/mux

[unreal magnet]

Yeah??

Did someone call out my name?

[nocturne raft]

I am not sure

[unreal magnet]

okay...I heard my name so..

A little help please...

Can you guys speak to me so that I will be able to speak. As of now I don't have permission to speak

[nocturne raft]

All you have to do is send messages here.

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[unreal magnet]

Yes, I know

but if you guys ask me something so that I can answer it and will comeplete the requirements and will get the accessto speak

[nocturne raft]

How long have you been coding bro?

Like you heard, I know nothing. and just here to learn.

[unreal magnet]

I'm a working professional

I have 3.2 years of experience

working as python developer now

[nocturne raft]

more than me for sure.

Damn

What company? or solo-prenuer?

[unreal magnet]

It's a small company based in Bangalore, India

[bright tinsel]

Bangalore is nice place

I was there for 3 months

[unreal magnet]

oh nice

what for?

[bright tinsel]

I was there to meet my cousin

Actually

[unreal magnet]

oh okayy

[bright tinsel]

He used to work in a company hackerrank?

You heard of it?

[unreal magnet]

yes

[bright tinsel]

It has an office in bangalore

Bangalore is called silicon valley of India

[unreal magnet]

thats where people buld up their profile by taking coding challenges and get the job

[bright tinsel]

You got me

My man

[unreal magnet]

🤝

it's been 24 messages, more half to go 😭

[nocturne raft]

Lol

One more!

[unreal magnet]

hey Hector

where are you from?

[nocturne raft]

I live in Miami, Florida.

US

[unreal magnet]

oh nicee

[nocturne raft]

Hi @hot valley

[unreal magnet]

Hi @hot valley

[hot valley]

Hey

What’s going on

[nocturne raft]

I am new in Python and programming so I am just asking questions.

I have a backgrounf in media and arts, and started a python course a month ago.

[hot valley]

Oh nice. I have some experience with programming but not much in python

[nocturne raft]

Career growth and stuff ya know lol

[hot valley]

Yeah. Little bit. I am SWE

[nocturne raft]

Where are you based.

[hot valley]

India

[unreal magnet]

And I'm trying to get access to speak by texting here 😭

[unreal magnet]

nicee

in India where?

[hot valley]

Blr

[unreal magnet]

nicee

[hot valley]

You?

[unreal magnet]

mee to, im also in bangalore now

[hot valley]

Nice. Stuck in traffic

[unreal magnet]

ohh 😂

heading to office or somewhere?

[soft axle]

ooh nice

[hot valley]

Yes to office. Have scrum call in few mins

[unreal magnet]

nice, I'm from maharashtra actually

got job in blr

stay near the office itself

[hot valley]

Nice. Welcome to blr.

[unreal magnet]

400m from office so..

no traffic

[hot valley]

Haha that’s great

[unreal magnet]

it's been 2+ years now in blr

[hot valley]

Very cool

[unreal magnet]

where do stay in blr?

[hot valley]

Mahadevpura

[unreal magnet]

office?

[hot valley]

Nakundi

Yours?

All faang offices are in Bagmane tech park

[unreal magnet]

banashankari

[nocturne raft]

Still not unlocked? @unreal magnet

[unreal magnet]

but isn't nakundi outside the city?

[hot valley]

Yeah lol

[unreal magnet]

no bro 😭

[hot valley]

Gtg bye 👋

[unreal magnet]

46 done

heay, demon slayer...

you watched?

how was it?

Did you guys cry?

[nocturne raft]

Of course

Akaza

Lesssgoo

Hi @dry jasper

[unreal magnet]

Thank you guys 🫂

I'll be back..

[nocturne raft]

Honduras

[soft axle]

what you guys doin

im bored studying

[nocturne raft]

Nothing bro

just talking crap

[soft axle]

word

If you guys need help with python and data lmk

Im mostly a data guy tho. Idk how to make a game or something like that if thats what you're trying to learn it for

[nocturne raft]

Hi @whole bear

[whole bear]

Hi hector

How's it going?

@nocturne raft How often do you work?

But you are a business owner?

Have you ever thought of moving to a country and dominating the country

Okay let me join

[soft axle]

lol

what are you guys using python for

[nocturne raft]

@jovial iris Hi!

@soft axle I am learning to do automations for AV equipment.

for now*

[jovial iris]

hey there.

[soft axle]

o I thought you were new to python

and whats AV?

[nocturne raft]

I am, like in the proper python.

Now i use building blocks basically.

AV is Audio Visual

Like this.

Is not python per say but it does get data and trigger things based on data. So is like baby programming

@soft axle

[soft axle]

you're trying to learn python to do this? or?

[nocturne raft]

Peace out @bright tinsel @whole bear

[nocturne raft]

I am exploring, but for now yes. There is certain limitations to the building blocks.

Once I learn the stuff i can do with py, i would probably add more stuff to do.
but right now is the case of "i dont even know what is posible, so idk what I want to create"

But I do like the automation realm, and API connections.

Kind of like Zapier but more niche.

[bright tinsel]

You too mate

[whole bear]

@bright tinsel Mr Lee Kuan Yew: A forceful role model, even for dissenters in India https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/mr-lee-kuan-yew-a-forceful-role-model-even-for-dissenters-in-india

Reservation is not optional in India, Central Bureau of India and India's late economist Sanjeev Kapoor explained India's caste demography is the biggest challenge to central government schemes and how central government schemes failed at local level due to caste, gender norm

[bright tinsel]

ohhk

u wanna hop on call @whole bear

[whole bear]

Okay

[bright tinsel]

come in vc 0

[whole bear]

@bright tinsel 👋

[wise loom]

Oracle is the only company which has application and infrastructure in the cloud

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/wagner-gomes-munhoz-a0a98623_why-teladoc-chose-oracle-ugcPost-7372236456645447680-eQ2P

— some random dude on Linkedin

Possibly the most nonsensical quote of the day

[pale harness]

hello

[wise loom]

@grave moat hey did you find a job?

I know it's a very popular question in Discord

Hey, did you find a job?

also a very social question

[grave moat]

Not yet

[wise loom]

@stark crow hi

[round moat]

hi

[wise loom]

Hi

[round moat]

Hi

[whole bear]

He

[wise loom]

Hi

@round moat hi

[round moat]

ho @wise loom

[junior sparrow]

Hey everyone, please check my first programme 😁😅

https://pastebin.com/fG2B6s67

And please leave your reviews too and give me Advices

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor meanwhile Rust has at least two separate regex dialects

https://docs.rs/regex

https://docs.rs/fancy-regex

[wind raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[vocal basin]

this one is fast

guaranteed to be fast

[jovial iris]

hey there.

[vocal basin]

@tacit crane approximately what Python has

[vocal basin]

this one is linear in complexity

[jovial iris]

howdy chris ?

[vocal basin]

the time needed is always proportional to len(pattern) * len(s)

[jovial iris]

how'd i get speaking privileges ?

[vocal basin]

#voice-verification

[jovial iris]

i believe 3 days i need.

[vocal basin]

re-joining the server does reset the timer

[jovial iris]

aye that sucks

[vocal basin]

!source

[wise cargo]

Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor at least it's probably not as braindead as Google's verification thing

where they denied google drive write access to a text writing app

minimise branches' lifetimes

merge as soon as possible;
if you can't merge it for a long time -- it either needs to be a separate project or needs to be integrated in some orthogonal/modular way

I don't remember if I ever crossed the 10K lines per file

I might've

definitely 8K

language servers don't like that

if your language server starts to lag, that's a good indicator

ah, so not only is PyQt unofficial, it's also sketchy

(PyQt is not made by Qt)

(PySide is)

[wind raptor]

https://www.pythonguis.com/faq/pyqt-vs-pyside

[whole bear]

Hello!

[vocal basin]

you can derive editor layouts from JSON Schema

[whole bear]

@wind raptor How's it going?

Did you got a job?

[wind raptor]

Not yet. I have another interview today.

[vocal basin]

web framework
on top of
FastAPI
on top of
Starlette
on top of
ASGI

[whole bear]

Keep going 💪

[wind raptor]

🥞 stack em high

[somber heath]

@patent mural 👋

[vocal basin]

@tacit crane it's a DI framework

largely

why not just use Django at that point

when you add all that stuff, it will be as slow

[patent mural]

hi

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/django-d-silent-unchained-d-is-silent-catfoodcannon-gif-10542074620920929927

[woeful blaze]

How are is everyone doing today

[somber heath]

@tacit crane

[woeful blaze]

Does anyone work at a data center?

[vocal basin]

https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/advanced/templates/

it's literally already built-in

@tacit crane Django is real ASGI

Flask is not ASGI

[ocean gazelle]

Yo microservices project completed successfully 🥳
I did a restaurant backend project on microservices using rabbitmq and fastapi

[vocal basin]

and Quart is ASGI too

[whole bear]

why do you all use django?

[vocal basin]

I don't

[whole bear]

why not other framework?

[ocean gazelle]

Frameworks are not always good I think fastapi is way better

[whole bear]

I don't know much about any of it

so I won't argue

[vocal basin]

FastAPI is already a web framework, I don't really see a point of inventing something on top of it through mechanisms other that it already provides

really should be just making plugin-type stuff instead

with the DI capabilities FastAPI already has

[tacit crane]

i am not inventing something man

[vocal basin]

don't wrap FastAPI, extend it

[tacit crane]

i said i am gonna make something on top of it so it performs much better for web

[whole bear]

As long as people find trust new tool over existing just because they want to find reason to hate old tool...

there will be blind sheep chanting all hail this new xyz tool

[vocal basin]

"on top" is the key wrong word here

[ocean gazelle]

Latency is lower maybe in django?

[vocal basin]

it makes it sound as if you're using FastAPI as just an implementation detail

[tacit crane]

did you made any website using fast api.

i am trying to make it faster

[vocal basin]

several

[whole bear]

I wonder, how many coder or programmer do like programming?

most of them are in field because of money

[vocal basin]

faster in terms of developer productivity, right?

[tacit crane]

yeah but also with caching

[whole bear]

As chris suggest extend the limit not yourself

[tacit crane]

not too much

[ocean gazelle]

Can someone suggest some basic project ideas on system design
I completed that ndc video can you suggest some please

[vocal basin]

what you're doing is likely useful, just the terminology is way off

[whole bear]

I like how person A talk about X tool and it is better and person B talk about Y because he would like to argue

both are extending discussion like a limit

[ocean gazelle]

@vocal basin can you suggest one project ideas for tonight please on system design

[whole bear]

How about you ask this fella : https://www.linkedin.com/in/yi-ting-wang-a11a5318b/

Before asking for help make sure to offer sum of money for advice

[somber heath]

@true cloak @obtuse falcon 👋

[obtuse falcon]

Hi

[whole bear]

she works at TSMC

[obtuse falcon]

I get it

[whole bear]

@wind raptor He want your attention @obtuse falcon

answer his mating call

[vocal basin]

so what's being created is:

• middleware to cache responses
• an alternative to fastapi.templating
  with those two packaged together

\🗞️

[wind raptor]

!tvmute 1333675490015182849 2w spamming to get voice perms

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @obtuse falcon until <t:1759503288:f> (14 days).

[vocal basin]

or it might remain as a demonstration of f around and find out

[whole bear]

call accepted now he is f ed

[vocal basin]

random.choice(["less", "fewer"])

[somber heath]

@keen sky @noble raptor @junior cypress 👋

[noble raptor]

Hi

[vocal basin]

!source

[wise cargo]

Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[noble raptor]

recently started learning python it's my day 3 lol

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?feature=shared

[obtuse falcon]

Are u have any experience with other programming languages before u started python?

[noble raptor]

yeah
javascript

[whole bear]

Song writer must be offended by me

[noble raptor]

currently watching this lol

[keen sky]

damn , keep it up

[noble raptor]

do you guys can reommend some good video to learn it quicker

i also wanna learn coebase pattern being followed for backend,microservice etc

[somber heath]

def my_Func():
    ...```When people use English incorrectly *and they ought to know better*, for those of us of a particular bent, it hurts.

Like this.

[vocal basin]

in Rust web dev analogy:
aide works on top of axum because of how pervasive it is and needs to control routing,
tower-sessions doesn't (while it might end up being as pervasive, it integrates more horizontally with the rest of axum)

[whole bear]

my apologies to you..

[vocal basin]

camel_Snake_Case mentioned

[somber heath]

I wasn't soliciting any.

[whole bear]

Yet I want to apologies to you!

[somber heath]

Well don't.

[obtuse falcon]

Are u have any experience with other programming languages before u started python?

[whole bear]

As you wish

[vocal basin]

hat_Case

[whole bear]

I guess he is new to coding

[noble raptor]

yes
i build some backend as well
in nodejs and golang
i also know nextjs

[vocal basin]

Bashe was a python-like Chinese mythological giant snake that ate elephants.
this having both bash and python in the same sentence is funny

[whole bear]

@tepid edge Out of context : But I mistook your voice for hemlock

[vocal basin]

@somber heath joke progressed further

(I was there when you told it last time)

[whole bear]

I got a joke :
Descartes walks into a bar. The bartender asks, “Want a drink?”
Descartes replies, “I think not.” …and disappears.

[vocal basin]

I do not think therefore I do not am

[whole bear]

Ha ha

https://youtu.be/fSr85N64BA0?si=p2j1Ep7BjrCbFRFa

She must be bartender

[vocal basin]

@tepid edge `neun zehn-minute blocks' -- rearrange the inconsistencies

[whole bear]

It fun being part of conversation

[tepid edge]

19

[whole bear]

take care

[vocal basin]

there are reasons I don't have auto-format on save

mostly because I have auto-save

auto-save + format on save would be an interesting combination

I use uv on both Windows and glibc Linux

installed not from package managers

@sharp idol ffmpeg

you'll need that anyway

ffmpeg -i video.mp4 audio.mp3

you can subprocess it if you want it in Python

apt-get install -y ffmpeg

https://www.ffmpeg.org/download.html

@tepid edge that would be a very wrong way to do that, but that's a non-this-server topic

maybe it'll even output a valid download link

[noble raptor]

is it like a python version manager?

[vocal basin]

random walk across the DOM might even get it right eventually

[vocal basin]

manages both Python versions and virtual environments

instead of doing those two separately

[noble raptor]

that's cool

i was using requirements.txt upto this point lol

[vocal basin]

requirements.txt is mostly useful when there's no pyproject.toml

(or setup.py)

uv.lock kind of replaces requirements.txt which are generated from pip freeze

[noble raptor]

can you tell one practical use for creating custom decorator in python?

[vocal basin]

and pyproject.toml replaces setup.py

decorators are very useful for handlers

things like

@command
def do_stuff(): ...

if you ever make the thing responsible for picking which of the functions to call yourself

[noble raptor]

i see i have used them in fastapi handlers
but was wondering custom usage for ourselves
i know they exist in typescript too
but never really used them for custom purpose

[vocal basin]

Python's decorators are more powerful but you're not really supposed to make many of them

since, just like in TS and other places that in a sense extends the common language you're writing stuff in

[noble raptor]

I see

[sharp idol]

https://github.com/jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjmjgb/vrchat-ai-/releases/tag/vrchat

[noble raptor]

there was a question in my mind
i divide module when i am making REST API
into
model, services, controller,routes
so what's good way for error handling?
as far as i learnt
i raise a customErr for expected err in services
than i catch it in handler log it and if it's one of custom err i just re throw it so i reaches my global error handler

is this a good approach?

[vocal basin]

@tacit crane I've just remembered the more specific requirement for what that means:

if there are two separate things like the one you're making, they should be able to co-exist within the same app

and if they can't (e.g. because expect a certain file structure or because you need to use tool-specific route decorators) -- that's when it becomes a framework

[tacit crane]

I am not profesitional on terms man

i get it

I will show you after making it

might take a while

[vocal basin]

(if the

from cache1 import Cache1
from cache2 import Cache2

@get("/stuff")
def route(
    cache1: Cache1,
    cache2: Cache2,
): ...
```works)

`sad person realising the rain is about to fall on their head' emoticon

[stiff pivot]

There are 7 continents in the world:

1. Asia

2. Africa

3. North America

4. South America

5. Antarctica

6. Europe

7. Australia (sometimes called Oceania when including nearby islands like New Zealand and the Pacific Islands)

👉 Some regions or schools also teach 6 continents (combining Europe & Asia as Eurasia, or North & South America as one America).

Do you want me to explain with a map-style breakdown so you can see them clearly?

@grand dagger

@upbeat oasis

Any body tell
How many continents are in the world

6 or 7

[vocal basin]

also some combine Eurasia and Africa

[woeful blaze]

How I everyone doing today?

[junior sparrow]

@wise loom check my first programme

[whole bear]

It's so hard to verify

Not really

But like I really wanna be verified lol

I have been here for weeks

I see thanks

But like people what is the server really for, just code help or like there are contests and stuff?

Do you all use other languages?

I'm trying to learn js now

[grand dagger]

I know some js

what are you learning right now?

I'm making a game in js rn

[whole bear]

Ooooo

I'm only learning cuz my uni wants me to

I plan on making a website but a website like an app

Thr thing is I'm a bit confused

Cuz like how do we compile this shit

I learnt c

And now I'm confused

Python is also like c but js is confusing lol

Also I am trying to learn html

That's why I was confused lol but it's cool I like it already!

[spark hound]

hey y'all

how's it goin

🤣

dafuq?

its strange fer

*here

dont know

*either

doin good

im french personnally

wtf?

😂

don't know 🤷‍♂️

[abstract horizon]

HI

Why I can't open my mic guys

[vocal basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[abstract horizon]

I am a new member

[whole bear]

Hello badr eddin ben hussien

[dry jasper]

https://youtu.be/lVLvAOsX95M

[whole bear]

Ain't bash is the default for Linux?

@wind raptor How did it went?

Did the interview tell you something about you?

Like you need to improve blah blah blah

[vocal basin]

not on Alpine

[whole bear]

Ubuntu

Use it

[vocal basin]

(the only bashless, except tiny distros, that I can remember)

[south nebula]

pls give me voice permissions, ill do anything

[wind raptor]

Sorry, everyone goes through #voice-verification unless you left and rejoined and meet the criteria other than the day count.

[south nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-i-feel-so-sigma-sigma-cute-awesome-gif-9943691826990571548

[whole bear]

Hey sigma

Why would you want to be in VC?

[south nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-kasane-teto-vocaloid-triple-baka-gif-17027462319645161853

i wanna ask about local hosting

[wind raptor]

What is the context behind this?

!stream 686249555947290629

[wise cargo]

✅ @grand dagger can now stream until <t:1758305512:f>.

[south nebula]

is he learning linux in a browser?

[whole bear]

My bad

Actually I assumed VC 1 as DM

[grave moat]

is it arch?

[whole bear]

It was a mistake, it was intended for 1 -1 chat

[south nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-use-linux-how-gif-11966918624242743714

[whole bear]

You talk about it, so it was obvious Ig?

[grave moat]

Every devloper on desktop 😆

[south nebula]

fuck windows

[wise loom]

@grave moat hi, have you found a job?

[whole bear]

Dude 😎

[wise loom]

He asked me too, I'm going to ask him every time I see him

[whole bear]

He he

Fair

[wise loom]

Duuude asking about jobs or interviews seems to be super-super-popular!!!!

I’m going to ask everyone about their job or lack thereof

[south nebula]

there are no jobs, it's all a facade

[jovial iris]

permissions, size, user, date, time, content.

[sonic smelt]

why not just do tree -L 1?

it s even more comfortable

way more comfortable than ls

[jovial iris]

or just do ls -a1

[wise loom]

No no, there are very many jobs. A guy from India told me today on Discord "I am very well-connected, just give me your CV and I'll let people know".
Mindless conversations that don't even hold water.

[whole bear]

No way, Windows killed bypass of Windows set-up

A Microsoft account is a must now

[jovial iris]

if its POSIX compliant, it would work.

[amber raptor]

https://jqlang.org/

[wise loom]

I can still bypass idk what you mean
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

[jovial iris]

Bash script would work on a shell which is posix compliant

those are utlities not script/shell

[wise loom]

@amber raptor hi, what kinds of things have you been doing at work lately?

[jovial iris]

zsh is bash with some more functionalities

[whole bear]

Atm it's not possible, bypass \ won't work

As \ character can't be used in shell at set-up

npcal.cpl also won't work

because one must require to have internet

[whole bear]

Okay my bad

It is human error

I decided to do so before the driver installation

[jovial iris]

scripts with #!/usr/bin/env bash in bash, dash, zsh or whatever posix compliant shell you have would work.

[whole bear]

And it won't let me bypass or work around

[amber raptor]

I'm talking practicality, script might work but utilities you want may OR may not be available between different distros

No one cares if bash launches and parses the script, they only care if script works

[jovial iris]

yes, most basic utilities would but jq is a lil fancies one, and does not ship with most distros

[amber raptor]

even for disk setup, some may use fdisk and some may use other one

[jovial iris]

this bash script of mine on Arch works fine on MacOS with Zsh

#!/usr/bin/env bash

branch_name=$(basename $1)
session_name=$(tmux display-message -p "#S")
clean_name=$(echo $branch_name | tr "./" "__")
target="$session_name:$clean_name"

if ! tmux has-session -t $target 2>/dev/null; then
    tmux neww -dn $clean_name
fi

shift
tmux send-keys -t $target "$*
"

[amber raptor]

Sure, IF tmux is installed

[jovial iris]

cfdisk is advised above fdisk nowadays.

[amber raptor]

If it's installed

[jovial iris]

yes :>

obv

to drive a car

you need a car

[whole bear]

Ig I'm getting Old

[dry jasper]

https://overthewire.org/wargames/

@grand dagger

[jovial iris]

linux desktops are cool

[whole bear]

IT'S!!!!!!!!

WORD

[amber raptor]

https://ubuntu.com/download/server

[whole bear]

SPUD

TIME!

[amber raptor]

they don't teach SSH?

[whole bear]

it's word spud time!

[lament girder]

what is this on stream

i don't understand anything

but it looks cool

[spark hound]

me too lol

from where r u from?

[whole bear]

Tech lead must be in fear!

[woeful blaze]

How are you today mindful dev

I'm still working on my game and I'm trying to get better at learning pygame

[lament girder]

i want them too

yeah literally a miracle

[vocal basin]

snap Server

[lament girder]

what if from blackmarket

Govs do this to stop importing and promote local industries

[lament girder]

lmao

[whole bear]

python word spud v1.0.2 is out guys!

[limber agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtc1DW2Tgo

[wind raptor]

g2g pick up the kiddos. Cheers

[haughty pier]

fair

[haughty pier]

https://nixos.org/download/#nixos-iso

[limber agate]

k BYE thanks for your help

[nocturne raft]

I saw a video on these new META Raybands. Pretty interesting, seem bulky though.
My initial thought was "is this flight safe or are we having another Samsung Note 7 case"

[amber raptor]

Only if you hate yourself.

[woeful blaze]

hello

[whole bear]

i would definitely be weak to elec man's powers (ice man is also weak to that)

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LgQbRdHdvw

[limber agate]

I think we can look past those days

[woeful blaze]

@wise loom any ideas on how i can fix this

[vocal basin]

whatever you're doing, you're doing in the wrong context

running pwsh code in py

[woeful blaze]

I've been running the file

[vocal basin]

stop using the run button until you know what it does

run code from the terminal

py -3.13 adding_colectibles.py

from the proper terminal

not Python REPL

which can be opened in VSCode using ctrl+shift+`

or this

if you're not sure if you have the actual terminal open, just open a new one

[woeful blaze]

I'm using vsc

[woeful blaze]

SyntaxError: invalid syntax

py -3.13 adding_colectibles.py
File "<stdin>", line 1
py -3.13 adding_colectibles.py
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[vocal basin]

close the current terminal

[vocal basin]

close all terminals you currently have open in the VSCode

then open a new one (and send a screenshot after that; of the whole window)

[woeful blaze]

i killed the terminal multiple times

[vocal basin]

okay now the running part works at least

[whole bear]

who wants a free copy of word spud?

[wise loom]

i'm good

[woeful blaze]

now what must be done

[vocal basin]

firstly, remove regular pygame and replace it with pygame-ce if you haven't done that yet

original pygame seems to exist in some weird state

https://pyga.me/docs/

[woeful blaze]

i vave pygame_ce

[vocal basin]

are you sure?

anyway, if you do have pygame-ce, go and read the docs

[vocal basin]

you're missing a comma

you have a(b, c), you need a, (b, c)

[vocal basin]

also

!pep8

[wise cargo]

PEP 8

PEP 8 is the official style guide for Python. It includes comprehensive guidelines for code formatting, variable naming, and making your code easy to read. Professional Python developers are usually required to follow the guidelines, and will often use code-linters like flake8 to verify that the code they're writing complies with the style guide.

More information:

• PEP 8 document
• Our PEP 8 song! :notes:

[vocal basin]

put proper spacing after/around operators to see those mistakes more easily

preferably, use ruff for autoformatting

[woeful blaze]

File "c:\Users\casti\OneDrive\Desktop\pygame tutorials\adding_colectibles.py", line 36, in <module>
player_image = pygame.transform.scale(player_image(player_width,player_height))
~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: 'pygame.surface.Surface' object is not callable

[vocal basin]

did you read what I wrote?

[woeful blaze]

Yes I fixed the problem now I have a bigger problem I have to find out where the reset for the player is and make sure it's on the screen

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8_-nB4Aseg

@grave moat have you found a job yet? are you full-stack 10x?

@zenith lintel what's your stack what's your stack

[vocal basin]

@urban abyss finally my GitHub notifications can look like this too (at least I don't have the sound enabled)

[woeful blaze]

Ikø do you make games?

[wise loom]

nope

[woeful blaze]

What do you make when your programming?

[haughty pier]

fool stack

[haughty pier]

Dude, I used Ubuntu for 12 years - trust me, NixOS is worth it

[wise loom]

People like to hate on Ubuntu but it has an HCL(hardware compatibility list) and good partnerships with vendors, it has lists of Certified Hardware (where they actually went and tested every laptop/desktop/server/IoT/SoC in their list).
In terms of drivers and firmware (non-free or free) Ubuntu is doing a good job.
Few other distros have the above.

In terms of desktop apps crashing for no reason when you move them around (apps that would not crash on Debian), or software updates that cannot be stopped and MUST happen and are forced all the time, or in terms of unsolicited, opaque telemetry that cannot be disabled.. that's.. the bad side of Ubuntu.

[wise loom]

I think NixOS's most important feature is a first-class configuration management language and that sandbox-like nix-shell that can be used to create throwaway environments(I saw many use it in the Nix server), I think that's ideal for developers.

[timid pike]

hi

[celest basin]

ummm

hi

whoever in server?

python serveeeer!

auuuuuuuuu!

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[somber heath]

@woven depot👋

[woven depot]

hello

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[bitter tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-tongue-out-stare-gif-2589760412605996407

[bitter tinsel]

this is @amber raptor irl

[vocal basin]

works

[somber heath]

@peak timber 👋

@merry arrow 👋

[merry arrow]

[vocal basin]

@peak depot Russia does technically have a border with Poland

Koenigsberg

500

my wishlist is just random pile of stuff

I don't have to install everything

but I do have an 18TB drive

20TB worth of HDDs total

and >20TB of SSDs

40TB in HDDs is only, like, $600

the big HDD is soon going to be used more, since I'm planning to replicate all the backups there

I should count how much I have in build artifacts related to the minesweeper server build

it's probably at around a couple of GBs

at some point I will have more space spent on games I make than games I play

general build artifacts/mirrored packages

[whole bear]

It's impossible to verify 😭

Like I'm sure it helps with avoiding bad ppl

But what's our fault ;-;

[vocal basin]

@abstract anvil

[peak depot]

@abstract anvil

[vocal basin]

I don't have a role

and I don't give permission to the website

[whole bear]

Oh

Ig u just have to do some chores before u get to talk lol

It's kinda cool but again

[vocal basin]

apart from not wanting, there is a separate purely technical other aspect

[whole bear]

So hard stuff like I can't even talk how am I gonna be in the call

[vocal basin]

I have to use Firefox because Chrome doesn't work with VC

[whole bear]

Oh

[vocal basin]

and on Firefox Discord audio output is broken

[whole bear]

I didn't know that

You should download the app

[vocal basin]

doesn't have SOCKS5 support

[whole bear]

It's much easier if u can do that

[whole bear]

I'm sorry idk whar that is

[vocal basin]

nor does Chrome

for whatever reason, whenever I give audio input permissions to the website, audio output goes out of phase

(one of the channels, left or right, starts lagging by around 20ms behind the other one)

[whole bear]

Oh damn

I didn't even know that

Maybe I will never get verified lol

[vocal basin]

((which sounds worse than the description might show it to be))

I've never seen anyone else mention that issue

probably caused by how I have networking set up

[whole bear]

Yeah

I just downloaded the app and I'm good

Idk how it will work with verification tho

[vocal basin]

my experience so far is that SOCKS5+byedpi is way more stable than a VPN

but unfortunately that doesn't help with WebRTC

which is tunnelled separately

[peak depot]

Just have a coversation. If there is no one to talk to in VC channel then you talk in the other 30 differend text channels

[vocal basin]

you only have the text activity blocks requirement left afaik

whenever I do need audio/video input or streaming, then I use the app

I don't speak here

I used to participate in karaokes in one of the servers I was a part of

what counts as an "app"?

I don't make mobile apps

vibe coding isn't for making products

it's for testing ideas

they're selling liabilities

not products

value of AI-generated code is purely negative always and by design

except when you immediately throw it away after validating simple-sanity-checking whatever idea you had

it's only a tool to show you that something might be possible

never let AI-generated code be depended on

it must remain at the highest level of integration where you can always throw it away

very few people are capable of using AI to write actual code

I can name only one

Sean Parent

if you don't have decades' worth of experience working with/on the standard of the language you're working in => don't expect to join that category

yes

camouflaged

idk about time, but money -- definitely

I mean, sure, you can con people into buying a broken product

it's mostly about marketing not coding

for scanning stuff you need non-LLM AI

[night oasis]

i have big problems in while

[vocal basin]

YOLO type libraries

you can do image recognition locally

unless you need really high quality of it

all depends on the requirements

modern phones now have NPUs

modern also means LLM is less likely to know what to do

how much are you ready to pay for the API?

what's the starting budget? (approximately)

Amazon already did, like, image recognition for shops

(done using humans instead of AI)

oi

!source e

[wise cargo]

Command: eval

Run Python code and get the results.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/utils/snekbox/_cog.py:572

[vocal basin]

this

reference to snekbox

as far as the lore goes

@abstract anvil use it to make a prototype, not an MVP

MVP is something that works

keyword viable

and product

you need to be partnered with them

have a business agreement

[whole bear]

Isn't it easy life to just type and survive?

[vocal basin]

like how Honey did it, but try to remove the fraud part

[whole bear]

Coder!

[vocal basin]

product with just enough features to be usable by early customers

prototype isn't supposed to be used by customers

targeted for internal tests

ugh why is the package so giant already

[whole bear]

@midnight birch grab a gun and shoot it!

I mean he should have called you at least

dumb move

[peak depot]

The book about MVP is called: The lean product playbook : how to innovate with minimum viable products and rapid customer feedback

[whole bear]

@midnight birch Do you have to pay for a lawyer filling complain?

Good for u

[vocal basin]

I did take a maths final exam in similar stress conditions before

100% score in half the time limit sounds like a good enough result

Power

now the question is whether or not 0.0.100 happens before 0.1.0

@peak depot covariant joke

[whole bear]

Wdym?

[abstract anvil]

@vocal basin is it a bad idea to make prototypes with ai?

[whole bear]

@bright tinsel You should update your linkedin

[vocal basin]

if you throw them away right after checking whether it works at all, yes

[whole bear]

@abstract anvil Hire me, you won't regret it..

But make sure to pay me in cookies 🍪

[vocal basin]

@abstract anvil it was a context-relevant response, not a topic starter

[whole bear]

I think 💬🤔

[wise loom]

@abstract anvil what do you like outside of programming?

[whole bear]

To learn you must give up

on delusion

And challenge yourself 😀

[wise loom]

Like solve problems

[whole bear]

Or make iteration better and better

[wise loom]

How do I make iteration better and better?

[whole bear]

I mean, we have different iterations and approach to development

So instead of hopping form one to another

[wise loom]

Instead of hopping, what would the alternative be?

[whole bear]

To learn one approach at best

And now you can explore the rest

[wise loom]

So you’re advocating focused / targeted practice on a specific programming method

[whole bear]

Yes master it completely

[wise loom]

Interesting

[whole bear]

That's what I'm doing right now

After we had talk

I realised I need to tunnel my approach

I was in the middle of the cross lane

[whole bear]

I had no clue before!

I choose two niches:
Full stack and DS Engineering

I know this technology is in trend

But I'm focused on the niche of these two technology

@dry jasper I think there is a future for programming, even if there isn't my approach does cover the aspect which can't be replaced by AI

[vocal basin]

I remember the talk where Python was remotely mentioned as "the new COBOL", and this is so much more true now with all the LLMess

@dry jasper except it takes days and weeks to make them