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candid spire
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Nope it won't.
Loan is issued in local currency equivalent to 250k USD

tepid edge
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yes, you didn't produce anything valuable

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but now there is 250k usd more of your currency

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for the same amount of goods

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hence, inflation

candid spire
tepid edge
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what tax revenue?

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where are you getting the resources to start out with

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who would come to your micronation with no infrastructure

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to build a business

candid spire
tepid edge
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yes, what goods and services

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are you saying you wish you were in charge of an already functioning country built by someone else?

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i don't get it

candid spire
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Everything you consume and use is goods and service

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You pay tax

tepid edge
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I know dude

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but your micronation

candid spire
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Import tax, sales tax, service tax and so on

tepid edge
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doesn't start with a ton of money and infrastructure and thriving businesses

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it's just an island

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why would anyone, much less a company

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go there

candid spire
tepid edge
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yes, no expenses, no services, no infrastructure, no tax revenue

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an island

candid spire
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Micronations has 100k to 300k people

tepid edge
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orz

vocal basin
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pydis is more than a micronation then

tepid edge
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ok, so you're saying you want to be put in charge of a micronation that someone else created

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or that split off from some other country

vocal basin
tepid edge
candid spire
# candid spire Micronations has 100k to 300k people

Humans are the most valuable resource of all!

Even if it's island, fishing and sea exploration and resources would be more than enough to start and certainly 100k to 300k people can offer more than just fishing and else.

No income tax is a big attraction to remote earners and fixed tax of 20% with tax holiday for a year or two for big corporations is more than enough

tepid edge
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that's not how anything works

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if there's a big country closeby

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and there's something of value there

candid spire
tepid edge
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they just wouldn't recognize your borders

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and take it

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see: China

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low taxes on low income is not attractive

candid spire
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Yeah taiwan is starving I guess?

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Ain't it?

tepid edge
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to someone who can get a job in a HCOL area

candid spire
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What a foolish assumption

vocal basin
tepid edge
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taiwan is not a micronation

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taiwan has TSMC as a bargaining chip

candid spire
tepid edge
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bruh

candid spire
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It started as FDI

tepid edge
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yeah and the country was built using the revolutionary ideas of government loans and no income tax

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clearly

vocal basin
tepid edge
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i believe they mean "appeared out of thin air"

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or similar

candid spire
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Yep

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It didn't appear out of thin air

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It was the result of FDA

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And Government investment

tepid edge
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ok, look up the average income in any of your micronations

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and ask yourself, why is it like that

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don't they know they could just easily 10x their income by getting a better job? are they stupid?

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^this is a meme

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not an insult directed at you

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my point is, you can't wave a wand and make infrastructure and a thriving economy appear

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dubai has low taxes

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but it only got built because they had tons of money to spend actually building the city

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before anything came of it

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there's like 10 other cities trying to copy dubai that didn't build as much

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and they're ghost towns

vocal basin
tepid edge
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because not charging taxes for stuff where nobody wants to be isn't much of a value proposition

vocal basin
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traditional business practices

tepid edge
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note that a 250k loan is a value proposition

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but like

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I would take your loan

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and fuck off back to my country

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good luck collecting from your micronation

candid spire
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You got a load of pessimistic examples and explanations.

tepid edge
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so your answer to the problems I'm pointing out is "just don't think about it, why can't we all just get along?"

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like, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to point out your idea is half-baked

candid spire
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Your remarks were pessimistic

tepid edge
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you haven't described the most important thing

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WHY would someone want to come to your micronation

candid spire
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As If I didn't think about it?

tepid edge
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what do you have that noone else does

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low taxes only matter if you have an economy worth something

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and there will be more demand for 250k usd loans that taxes for you to collect

vocal basin
candid spire
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The problem is you failed to understand the very concept nation and its working.

A nation is not a company, it is a place

tepid edge
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believe it or not, I know

candid spire
tepid edge
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why does inflation happen?

candid spire
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Inflation is normal for economy

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It is the result of capitalism

tepid edge
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??????????????????????????????????/

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okay, I tried

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I give up

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you win

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I wish you luck with your micronation

candid spire
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Stop it, you can't force your argument!

tepid edge
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no, but I can leave

candid spire
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Just leave

vocal basin
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comrades, we have finished the 5-year plan for inflation in under 4 years

tepid edge
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I will assume you're arguing this in good faith

candid spire
tepid edge
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you should really take more time to gain more of an understanding of fundamental economics

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like

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I don't even understand economics and international politics that well

vocal basin
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do any countries declare having implemented communism?

candid spire
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@tepid edge Did I ask for your advice?

tepid edge
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no

candid spire
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Could you stop and move on

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I don't want advice from you

tepid edge
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ok

vocal basin
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what does China call its own regime pithink

candid spire
vocal basin
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I don't actually remember

vocal basin
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don't default to treating questions as attacks

candid spire
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I don't want to explain myself and explain myself

vocal basin
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@tepid edge tty?

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tty-ness of a stream is somewhat non-trivial to determine afaik

candid spire
vocal basin
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Rust got testing for that only in 1.70

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I'm still not entirely sure what the question is

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without -f presumably

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get some way to search through all entries of manpages

vocal basin
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where it might be easier to search

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some stores here sell green bananas (as, like, a separate product from yellow bananas)

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just regular I think

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how long until bananas are gone (again) because of the infection

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new word learned today

image.png
vocal basin
vocal basin
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maybe they are different just look way too similar

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_banana

Cooking banana

Cooking bananas are a group of banana cultivars in the genus Musa whose fruits are generally used in cooking. They are not eaten raw and are generally starchy. Many cooking bananas are referred to as plantains or green bananas. In botanical usage, the term plantain is used only for true plantains, while other starchy cultivars used for cooking a...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_plantains

True plantains

True plantains are a group of cultivars of the genus Musa (bananas and plantains) placed in the African Plantain subgroup of the AAB chromosome group. Although "AAB" and "true plantain" are often used interchangeably, plantains are the most popular varieties among the AABs. The term "plantain" can refer to all the banana cultivars normally eaten...

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I don't think these were sold

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but these seem separate

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seems like

vocal basin
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I usually make stuff which expects the user to specify whether seeking is okay or not

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so not as universal as tail might be

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Rust just assumes Stdin to be non-Seek

vocal basin
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by passing a file path as an argument vs giving it an stdin

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though ig that doesn't help much with a named pipe

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at which point it seems reasonable to just error out and tell "what are you even doing"

candid spire
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@vocal basin How often do you use rust in your corporate life?

vocal basin
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95% of code I write at work is Rust

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(within the last half year)

candid spire
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Good 👍

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Do you maintain notes on learning as well?

vocal basin
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I don't

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anything I write down generally is some sort of documentation

candid spire
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I wish you did, it would be great.

I could make use of it, if you would like me to have it

candid spire
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Me English poor

vocal basin
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soon I might be releasing a series of posts about Streams and Sinks in Rust

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at some point that might be turned into a book

candid spire
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I would like to have access to this very digital book.

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Every author has different interpretations of the same concept

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As if our thoughts were muted as well!

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I find it difficult to understand Rust Concept and its implementation from Books.

So far it has been a bad exposure and read.

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I hope I'm not being cynical.

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@heavy zenith Hello

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How you doing?

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I'm not sure about your problem

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You made an Operating System?

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I got no clue mate 😔

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I've never made an OS.

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I'm boring mate

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You will be depressed

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Make OS run Doom, project halt and next step 🪜

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@heavy zenith You've made it from scratch?

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Expected

vocal basin
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or funny virtual memory magic

candid spire
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In a reddit post on Bill Gates, it was explained he was exceptionally good at problem solving and quite decent at programming.

Working for preprocess business before Microsoft is legit grind as a programmer

vocal basin
candid spire
vocal basin
tepid edge
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judging by history, making money was his passion

vocal basin
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one more good thing about working alone: I can just git rebase --root and no one will be audibly angry about it

tepid edge
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I don't think you become the world's richest man by accident

candid spire
tepid edge
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you could just mute all the other developers

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:p

candid spire
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He is businessman

tepid edge
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then they would be inaudibly angry

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at least until they break the door down

vocal basin
muted silo
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yo i got my voice verification done

candid spire
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No wonder, I mean he did hire a Computer Geek to write Earlier Version Microsoft.

He just reviewed the code 😔

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Money > Programming

muted silo
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not in a mood to talk today
ill just doze off for now
gtg
bye

vocal basin
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@wind raptor record?

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yes

candid spire
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@wind raptor Congratulations for the job

vocal basin
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with Rust I can just go and solve the problem if it wasn't solved yet

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you can also do C++ where you can have the whole history of people failing to solve something repeatedly

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I am planning to learn the entirety of C++ before any of Java beyond the 43 function interfaces

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C++ and Rust are very closely related

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and are on track to have a nearly identical model

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C++23 already has explicit (but not yet named) lifetimes in the language

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and Adobe's STL is investing time in porting C++ facilities and algorithms over to Rust

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Rust and C++ "merging" is a real possibility

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C++ compilers use lifetimes to optimise code

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they won't prevent your code from compiling, they will just silently do the thing you don't expect

candid spire
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Choose one of these:
You are :

  1. Computer Scientist
  2. Computer hobbyist
vocal basin
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if you have aliasing in code and the compiler sees that, it will just delete your code

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I want to do ecology-related bachelor's if I ever go back to the education system

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my relatives suggest I should do biology

candid spire
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I guess most folks on Python Discord are computer hobbyist

vocal basin
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@tepid edge always rising => not changing

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second derivative climate change denial

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@tepid edge "don't waste time on them" being the idea

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unfortunately doesn't seem to work

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some weird crypto scam website is attempting to email me

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they're getting mostly filtered out

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on my very legitimate email address

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on a mail server that doesn't even have PTR records configured

modest shale
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bro everyone is muted lol

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thats make it more funny

candid spire
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I guess they are hobbyist

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Just like me

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More into trash talk

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Less into problem solving and tech

candid spire
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@wise loom what are you talking about?

vocal basin
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idk about your IP

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mine is 127.0.0.254

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oh wait wrong meaning of IP

wise loom
wise loom
candid spire
candid spire
wise loom
vocal basin
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@obsidian dragon they discovered those errors through vibe debugging

candid spire
wise loom
candid spire
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I had to delete it and it was a time consuming and hectic

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I guess I will try it out

vocal basin
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switch to Solaris

candid spire
candid spire
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Never heard about it

vocal basin
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you can handle files of arbitrary size

wise loom
vocal basin
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I wonder if you can run Mongo on Solaris

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I should attempt playing Space Engineers again

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now that they've added food and radiation

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for masochists (max survival difficulty setting, realistic sounds)

trim zephyr
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Hello my name is potato !

vocal basin
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@obsidian dragon after one of the updates, there is no more sound going through vacuum

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(optional setting)

vocal basin
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@wind raptor another one would be fortnite probably

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okay I have a situation:
I'm tempted to buy all games in a certain sale that's currently ongoing on steam

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and I mean literally all

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@wind raptor in one of the no-mod saves we had a big architectural project making an ice-covered canal

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for boats to go full-speed

vocal basin
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!e

print(9 * 500)
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
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some places here pay something like $500 monthly to students if they perform well enough

candid spire
vocal basin
candid spire
vocal basin
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you're unlikely to get the extra 10 points

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the max is 310

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exams are 300

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10 come from sports, music and other auxiliary stuff

candid spire
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Out of curiosity, I ask GPT about the difference between hobbyist and Scientists in the field of computer science.

GPT's response : A person with an academic background at least a BS in CS can be said to be an Entry level Computer Scientist.

vocal basin
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@wise loom imagine being stuck with Ubuntu 18
that's old kernel version

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@wise loom snap

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Ubuntu Server is even worse than desktop

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@heavy zenith you've disabled the cloud-init, right?

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20.04 and above are impacted iirc

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what version of Ubuntu Server?

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(approximately)

candid spire
# candid spire Out of curiosity, I ask GPT about the difference between hobbyist and Scientists...

It gave me an example to explain the difference between the two.

Example was:

Let's assume a person is a car enthusiast, he may fix the car better than some mechanic, he has knowledge about cars but he can't make cars from scratch.

Scientists are like a person who can design and invent new ways to improve it from scratch. He has both theory and practical knowledge of fundamentals to high level knowledge.

A software developer or Engineer is like Mechanic which can repair modify and develop cars but not from scratch and lack extensive knowledge of cars to invent new means to build from scratch

vocal basin
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cloud-init makes your OS boot stuck for 2 minutes

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if it doesn't see internet on ANY interface

candid spire
wise loom
vocal basin
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I have a lot of computers with 2+ NICs

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therefore it's guaranteed to be stuck

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just use Nix at that point if you want declarative

wise loom
vocal basin
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likely

wise loom
vocal basin
wise loom
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the problem with nix is i would use it for servers but for a desktop i want everything or almost everything OOB working

vocal basin
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seems like

wise loom
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like if i have to configure it will take a lot of time

vocal basin
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Nix is more likely to work but, yes, requires more time

wise loom
# vocal basin 6.16

very very nice. can i choose my kernel version with ease on nix and do they have precompiled binary packages?

vocal basin
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it's kind of about getting control of your dependencies, so extra effort

vocal basin
wise loom
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because i mean, i just want it to work and i wouldn’t fiddle with it further, because i have other things that need to get done

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i wouldn’t even risk updating anything that would break my machine

candid spire
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I love Chinese phones, best investment by far!

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Spam messages are flooding

wise loom
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@vocal basin i hope debian back ports all improvements from ubuntu and that ubuntu serves as some sort of proving ground or beta testing of things before they reach debian. the lag between them seems to be about 2 years at least in terms of kernel version.

i also fear that debian might be stuck on the 6.12 LTS for a long time idk if that’s true

candid spire
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Big downside of debian

wise loom
candid spire
wise loom
candid spire
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Sometimes Debian chooses to force stop Tweak and Extension manager, I have not experienced the same in Ubuntu in similar frequency

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I'm not sure what could be the reason, but I guess it has to be the kernel version

wise loom
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to be honest i think if i had a ThinkPad T480 it would work perfectly with Debian because they had time to really refine the drivers and like.. a lot of people rely on the T480 and it’s still on the aftermarket..
and also the drivers and the kernel had time to include support for such old hardware

candid spire
candid spire
wise loom
wise loom
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especially older models(not bleeding edge)

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now i’ll prolly have to wait 1 year until 6.14 reaches debian backports..

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i will wait but if upon upgrade things don’t improve i’ll have to distro-hop again

vocal basin
heavy zenith
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that's great

vocal basin
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it cost less than a typical AAA game nowadays to buy 10~20 games

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only $50

wise loom
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yolo buy all games? wow

heavy zenith
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you basically saved money

vocal basin
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18 games

wise loom
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i wonder if i should give arch another try..

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but i’m slightly scared..

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especially because it’s a rolling distro

heavy zenith
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use nyarch

candid spire
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Sometimes really odd things happen to me!

heavy zenith
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like ?

wise loom
candid spire
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My discord UI went banana and I got disconnected

scarlet halo
candid spire
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I reinstalled it back and now it works

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@abstract mural hey!

abstract mural
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why no one speak

wise loom
candid spire
abstract mural
candid spire
scarlet halo
abstract mural
candid spire
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beyond my control

wise loom
abstract mural
candid spire
wise loom
scarlet halo
candid spire
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No offense but I was being sarcastic

abstract mural
wise loom
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bro you can speak if you want

wise loom
candid spire
abstract mural
wise loom
wise loom
candid spire
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but he was puzzled to know everyone was mute

wise loom
candid spire
abstract mural
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I'll return this prank to you soon```
candid spire
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So he left

wise loom
scarlet halo
candid spire
candid spire
abstract mural
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he say i'm mute in real life i though he's relly mut

candid spire
wise loom
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@candid spire studying anything interesting lately?

candid spire
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@wise loom Learning full stack development from helsinki opensource resource

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And Data Engineering

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@wise loom Can I ask a hypothetical question?

abstract mural
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sorry I went to bay a new mic but the stors closed

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I'll bay new mic tommoro

wise loom
candid spire
wise loom
candid spire
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I mean math teachers do earn a good amount of salary 😄

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but beyond teaching it is mostly used in STEM field

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So what could be ur profession?
Professor 🥼

wise loom
wise loom
candid spire
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Good 👍😊

vocal basin
candid spire
vocal basin
candid spire
toxic arch
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mic not working huge

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this is truly the vc of all time

primal shadow
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it is

tepid edge
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I am finally back

primal shadow
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welcome back

night oasis
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not ((5 > 2 and 3 == 3) or (not (4 > 6 or 1 == 1)))
false or true

vocal basin
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neither, Python's booleans' names are PascalCase

tepid edge
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@vocal basin goto for error handing is considered ok in c right?

vocal basin
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goto fail;

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though if you have to do that, sounds like the code is somewhat complicated

tepid edge
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the two cases I've come across are

  1. in main, to handle avoid having to repeat an an error message and return code in several places
  2. when doing something like allocating to go directly to cleanup/error handling depending on failure
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though I guess I could do the former with a function and explicitly call exit

vocal basin
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you should be able to emulate that with a function call

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returning ok or not ok

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so a question of whether that becomes too ugly to do

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definitely shouldn't be doing that in C++

tepid edge
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for sure

vocal basin
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C also has some systems for exceptions, but I don't remember any that are currently easily usable

tepid edge
vocal basin
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it does it like Rust I think

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or at least similarly

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the set of all possible error values is compile-time-known

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we've all heard of errno, but where's okyes

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@heavy zenith errors as values have demonstrable performance overhead

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and exceptions are somewhat non-trivial

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C is sometimes called portable assembly

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@tepid edge Rust's "level" spans higher up

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you can do inline assembly in all of them

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if you do a lot of work with pointers, C and Zig are the most convenient

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C++ has more UB than C

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more way to incorrectly use pointers

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as far as the compiler thinks

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in the same code I mean

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the point is that it's for the same code, because C++ has lifetimes

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C++26 is finally getting UB cut down a bit

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so some of the C's UB can now be non-UB in C++

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C++23 is where UBness of C++ peaked

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though things like std::launder were there since even C++17

tepid edge
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ub::launcher?

vocal basin
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use pointers in the way the compiler doesn't expect => UB

tepid edge
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use pointers in the way the compiler doesn't expect => that's a paddlin'

vocal basin
tepid edge
vocal basin
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the compiler is allowed to do whatever, but the "whatever" generally just means deleting code

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this code path is undefined => you can't reach it => all the ways to reach it are nuked

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first law of distributed computation: don't distribute your computation

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single-node often outperforms multi-node
single-threaded often outperforms multi-threaded

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just because designing for distributed computation is far from trivial

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distribution is more important for reliability in the non-big-data cases

plain dagger
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hi

tepid edge
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.o/

primal shadow
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hello

plain dagger
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im feeling uninspired, any ideas for a project?

primal shadow
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the monster bio

vocal basin
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!kindling

wise cargoBOT
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Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

plain dagger
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.monsterbio

viscid lagoonBOT
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Blarmotja's Biography

The Gronnmoteltor is an terrifying species, and you, Blarmotja, are no exception. Gronnmoteltor is famed for its chipped spikes. Whispers say that when brewed with a and at the time of a solar eclipse, a foul, purple brew will be produced, granting it's drinker the ability to lift thousand-pound weights! This species was found by Ellis Smith in 1700.

primal shadow
tepid edge
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.monsterbio

viscid lagoonBOT
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Maphipymtir's Biography

The Gotile is an spectacular species, and you, Maphipymtir, are no exception. Gotile is famed for its chipped bones. Whispers say that when brewed with w and i at the time of a lunar eclipse., a foul, blue brew will be produced, granting it's drinker the ability to devour metal! This species was found by Laurent Smith in 1594.

plain dagger
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not wanting to learn but implement something useful (?)

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dont know how to describe whatever bugs me

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thats the issue, my only problem right now is boredom

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🙁

primal shadow
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What have you made before?

plain dagger
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XDDD

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great point

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genius

vocal basin
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gitpod alternative but without the AI

plain dagger
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didnt think about that

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ahahahah

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cursor but only vs code

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n0000

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XDDD

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now im really interested on that idea

vocal basin
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gitpod existed before the recent LLM bubble iirc

plain dagger
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commit --amend creates a new blockchain

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rebase too

vocal basin
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add merge to Bitcoin

plain dagger
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XDDD

vocal basin
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merge conflicts 🚀

plain dagger
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i think the hardest one would be implementing rebase

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like how would you do that?

vocal basin
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re-apply the transactions one-by-one
explode on failure

plain dagger
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you would have to recreate the complete blockchain and everyone should delete the older one?

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ahhaahahha

vocal basin
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as far as BTC protocol is concerned, you're freely allowed to rebase

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you just need to put in a lot more PoW

tepid edge
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re-apply the transactions one-by-one
explode on failure

plain dagger
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the 50 + 1

vocal basin
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so rebasing effectively requires >50%

plain dagger
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percent

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ahahahah

vocal basin
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yes

plain dagger
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should be called democratic git

vocal basin
plain dagger
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yup

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i mean the complete blockchain market would crash

vocal basin
plain dagger
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is litterally a linked list that thousands if not millions of computer are syncing and doing random puzzles to link the next thing

vocal basin
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GitPod is Web Scale

image.png
plain dagger
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okay lets call it a graph that looks a lot like a linked list

vocal basin
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it can handle files of arbitrary size

tepid edge
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I always thought mongodb sounded offensive

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then I realized that was appropriate

vocal basin
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MangoDB

plain dagger
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mangoes

vocal basin
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wait did they really use MongoDB for GitPod

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sounds questionable

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the fake scroll is annoying https://ona.com/

Ona (formerly Gitpod)

Your mission control for software projects & software engineering agents. Keep momentum on any device with sandboxed dev environments in our cloud or your VPC.

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alternative to Codespaces

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I only care about the self-deployable part

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which gitpod seems to have had

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ah

plain dagger
vocal basin
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gitpod is actually dead

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okay I guess I no longer have to think of that as an option

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AI actually killing products

plain dagger
vocal basin
plain dagger
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i thought that people were doing their own versions of gitpod with ai which i found weird

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XDDD

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but yeah makes sense

vocal basin
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GitPod already had AI as an optional thing, but the company wants to make it the main (and only?) feature

plain dagger
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they are shooting themselves in the foot

vocal basin
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anyone who takes projects closed source is

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very Oracle behaviour

plain dagger
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i disagree, oracle is actually making billions by being closed source

vocal basin
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they lost a tons of engineers when they closed Solaris's code

plain dagger
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elasticsearch was f*cked by aws because they were opensource

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same happened to mongo

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corporate world is not friendly with opensource

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sadly

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in a big tech company i worked they just forked gitpod and created their own version, no payments made or whatever to gitpod

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if it was closed gitpod would have made millions

vocal basin
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I'm talking specifically about the open->closed direction

plain dagger
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faang

vocal basin
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Oracle caused direct damage to itself

plain dagger
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we are just a number

vocal basin
plain dagger
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i know what you are going to btw

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where*

vocal basin
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Joyent directly benefited from their fork of Solaris being open-source

tepid edge
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Ford Alfa romeo Audi Nissan General motors

plain dagger
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boring

tepid edge
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so you like cars huh?

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/s

plain dagger
vocal basin
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they were also the maintainers of Node for some time

plain dagger
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im sleepy, sry for bad english

vocal basin
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Joyent did a lot of work in the open

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they eventually got merged into Samsung, in a seemingly a very win-win arrangement for both the employees and the new parent company

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from what the insiders (bcantrill) said, it is possible to infer that this was more of a talent/knowledge rather than direct product acquisition, since they had to redo a lot of things just to adapt to the scale that Samsung needed

vocal basin
tepid edge
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FAANG stack

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I like it

vocal basin
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Newsqueak
guess the author

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concurrent language

tepid edge
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pike

vocal basin
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yes

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well I guess the world is past the point of shoving every single popular PL onto Wikipedia

plain dagger
vocal basin
plain dagger
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and after that the CTO left XD

vocal basin
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just like I said, not a product acquisition

plain dagger
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and people were fired

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i dont think that was a win-win

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i saw it happened to a few startups, not a good place to be in

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but anyways would have been nice to be working at joyent during their peak

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lots of things to learn

vocal basin
plain dagger
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if you had a clause like "we will try to make it profitable within 3 years blablablabla"

vocal basin
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maybe partially just Samsung experimenting to see if people would be interested, rather than eating the whole thing for internal needs

plain dagger
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samsung probably gave them a deadline

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yeah they can afford to lose a few bucks

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litterally what happened with whatsapp/instagram -> those were the succesful ones

vocal basin
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from what I remember bcantrill saying at around the time, it was primarily acquired for internal needs

plain dagger
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but probably had like tens or more of bought startup that just didnt cut it

plain dagger
vocal basin
plain dagger
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yeah

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a 100% that

vocal basin
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total investment in Oxide is nearing Joyent's purchase seems like

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(founded by some people from Joyent)

plain dagger
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nice

vocal basin
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they sell servers

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or, to be more precise, whole server racks

plain dagger
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weird business scheme

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but interesting nonetheless

vocal basin
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the main point is quality

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having actual control of the software and hardware

plain dagger
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yeah i mean if you work on healthcare its no-brainer

vocal basin
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software including most of the firmware

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their own board designs, their own network switches, their own fork of illumos

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custom OS for whatever isn't running on the main CPU

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no BIOS

plain dagger
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looks cool

vocal basin
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oh, and also the rack is silent

plain dagger
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XDD

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no more vacuum cleaners in your dc

vocal basin
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less energy wasted on sound

plain dagger
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changing subject... im looking up open source alternatives to tableau (preferably python)

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but dont know if there are better alternatives out there

vocal basin
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amazing

image.png
plain dagger
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no, the idea is to not spend money on it

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im not going to hit a fly with a tank

vocal basin
plain dagger
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🙁

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because is for simple things, the datasource can litterally be built within a minute daily

vocal basin
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I remember seeing some other visual thingy

plain dagger
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so i dont want to use a complex suite for something that can be shown through python simply

vocal basin
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can't remember the name

plain dagger
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pynecone?

vocal basin
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some, like, webby thing (but still Python)

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it could be plotly and I just don't recognise the name

plain dagger
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why do you insist so much man XDDD...

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like if a set of companies would have the same technology applied everywhere

plain dagger
vocal basin
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my brain is completely refusing to accept that plotly is that thing I'm thinking of

plain dagger
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thats the other one i found just recently

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for their own problems

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like if a company with 10 clients would have the same problem than a company with billions

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"oh i made this app over kubernetes because thats what faang is doing"

vocal basin
plain dagger
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why

vocal basin
plain dagger
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im just vibing into analytics

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haahah i f*** hate that buzzword

vocal basin
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this is not what I expect to see on a visualisation software website

image.png
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but okay

plain dagger
vocal basin
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ugh I can't select the text

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Vibe Cascading
Style Sheets

image.png
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vibe in the context of AI

plain dagger
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vibe

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yeah

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vibe this vibe that

vocal basin
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{bad vibe} coding

plain dagger
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i have a friend who was a sales person (had is own company)

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he started software developing

vocal basin
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@molten pewter that Chinese game is on sale again

plain dagger
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thing is he is not learning at all he just uses ai

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he just read a few things about bugs and that and thats it

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and he actually gets customers, for the simplest stuff you can imagine but customers

vocal basin
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@molten pewter the one I said was suspicious and potentially spyware

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Chinese, from that game

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character name

plain dagger
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i was like hey he at least knows something????

vocal basin
plain dagger
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until today he was asking about markdown on a group

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and i was like ...okay? markdown alternatives? wtf

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rst maybe?

vocal basin
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has two separate Chinese voiceovers

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and now also a Japanese voiceover

plain dagger
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and he then told me "no the thing is that gpt is not creating a working markdown"

tepid edge
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vibe markdown

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just write whatever

plain dagger
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and i was like wtf dude is a markdown

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jdlsaljkdasjklasd

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yeah

tepid edge
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and the ui will "feel" what you want

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this feels bold

plain dagger
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how would you fail at markdown

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is the simples thing ever

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is not even a programming language

vocal basin
grave hearth
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how do i get unsepressed

plain dagger
vocal basin
wise cargoBOT
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Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

vocal basin
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depends on how you render it

tepid edge
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javascript is a subset of html

vocal basin
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whether markup/data formats are part of programming languages is questionable

plain dagger
grave hearth
plain dagger
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and then show it on a web page

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but that wouldnt be markdown tho

vocal basin
plain dagger
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is like saying txt is a programming language

tepid edge
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the only logical conclusion: html on the backend

plain dagger
vocal basin
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CSS-style selectors for data

grave hearth
vocal basin
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those are text activity blocks

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maybe it'll get clarified one day

plain dagger
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tried it once

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for the lulz

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XDDD

tepid edge
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@midnight agate system design interviews have never been so easy:
<api-gateway></api-gateway>

vocal basin
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@molten pewter we can attempt to wake @haughty pier up and make him speak

tepid edge
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I was originally going to type contents

vocal basin
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@molten pewter time to resume that TTS project

grave hearth
tepid edge
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but got too lazy

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back to programming

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I should try that in job interviews

plain dagger
vocal basin
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!charinfo [ — ]

wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
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hmm

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sadly not   but at least some spaces around mdash

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(reading a translated description for Noctuary)

grave hearth
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can anyone help me fix some code?

vocal basin
wise cargoBOT
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plain dagger
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brb

candid spire
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Hello 👋

candid spire
grave hearth
# vocal basin !paste

so it's weird it's in codeHS so its like its own sub-language of python it's easier to just show

vocal basin
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@molten pewter I'll go to the other server's VC, there might be some talking (though mostly C-related I'd expect)

haughty pier
whole bear
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Hello 👋

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How'd mate?

whole bear
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@somber heath As australian, do you find it unique?

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Uh

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How'd mate" is an informal, colloquial greeting that is a shortened form of "How did you do?" or "How are you going?

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As per google

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Yes

somber heath
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@knotty linden 👋

whole bear
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AI ain't reliable my subscription is wasted!

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I'm learning spoken English, it is difficult man!

knotty linden
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i don't listen you in chat

somber heath
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How dyoudo?

whole bear
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Ha ha 😂

somber heath
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As in how do you do?

whole bear
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It's confusing to me

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I may fumble and it will be interpreted differently

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Yes but it is formal and neutral

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I think it can be used in multiple context

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I mean some people use "hey" to point attention

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Btw, Spoken English is the most difficult aspect of English

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It has so many dialects, slang and interpretation.

primal shadow
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A great many

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but that's because it's spoken so widely

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howdy

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ah, haha

somber heath
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@prime current 👋

primal shadow
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almost like I was there

prime current
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@somber heath

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i cant talk in the vc

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because im new

somber heath
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!voice

wise cargoBOT
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Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

primal shadow
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you can't talk in the VC.... YET

prime current
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yeah so i have to wait 3 days

primal shadow
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And talk a bunch

prime current
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mhm

primal shadow
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but you can talk to us

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like I do now

prime current
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i dont mind because

primal shadow
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instead of verbally

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talk textually

prime current
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this is a useful dc server

primal shadow
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and when the gate is passed, speak freely

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but not tooo freely, you kniow

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we have rules after all

prime current
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😉

primal shadow
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but you know that, because you accepted them

prime current
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no 1st amendment here 😔

primal shadow
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I think I'm one of the few people who reads through the discord server rules when I join a new server

prime current
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oh

primal shadow
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I'm not sure how you'd exercise the 2nd

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digitally

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I mean, video games

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that was the point of discord

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I played a hell of a lot of PUBG on discord

prime current
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i would like to screenshare when i get permission in 3 days hopefully so you can critique me in my coding? im fairly new.

primal shadow
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You can just share teh code now

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!paste

wise cargoBOT
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primal shadow
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or share your repo

prime current
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oh

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wait

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let me see you paste it

whole bear
primal shadow
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people suck

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I agree

prime current
whole bear
prime current
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they might make me quit

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🙁

whole bear
prime current
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i wish sometimes discord wouldn't turn ":(" into an emoji

primal shadow
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but then you can sell all that natural language

whole bear
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I like how one idea can stem so many businesses.

In the name of communication and network :- LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, what does not exist

primal shadow
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to the highest bidder, the second highest bidder, the third highest bidder

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anyone who's willing to pay enough really.

prime current
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how long have you guys been at this?

primal shadow
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5 years or so now

prime current
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a decade wow

whole bear
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Damn

prime current
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i've been doing it for 1 week

whole bear
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Decade is really long

prime current
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and a half

primal shadow
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I picked up where Opal left off apparently

whole bear
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Opal mist must be the top dog of python programming

prime current
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ideally how long should i code a day?

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i was thinking 3 hours a day

whole bear
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I like hobbyists, at least you like what you do.

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Unlike me,.
I took CS and now I'm roaming with a certificate

prime current
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i was thinking about learning a concept and practicing coding that concept for 3 hours and just repeating it

whole bear
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Ishowkhalid

prime current
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i'm just afraid of not being good

whole bear
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Just do it!

prime current
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and i feel practicing over and over will prevent that from a muscle memory aspect

whole bear
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I heard monkey? 🐒

prime current
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print("please be quiet minors")

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you said those were minors right?

somber heath
#

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy_miner

Noisy miner

The noisy miner (Manorina melanocephala) is a bird in the honeyeater family, Meliphagidae, and is endemic to eastern and southeastern Australia. This miner is a grey bird, with a black head, orange-yellow beak and feet, a distinctive yellow patch behind the eye, and white tips on the tail feathers. The Tasmanian subspecies has a more intense yel...

prime current
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oh

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...

whole bear
wise cargoBOT
prime current
#

!e print("hello world")

wise cargoBOT
prime current
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ok let me make a mistake to see if this thing is legit

whole bear
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!e print("🐾")

wise cargoBOT
prime current
#

!e Print("im handsome")

wise cargoBOT
# prime current !e Print("im handsome")

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     Print("im handsome")
004 |     ^^^^^
005 | NameError: name 'Print' is not defined. Did you mean: 'print'?
prime current
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oh wow

whole bear
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Human error

somber heath
#

!code

wise cargoBOT
#
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primal shadow
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I think they might be impressed by the bot

whole bear
prime current
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i made the mistake on purpose

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:p

primal shadow
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less lines more character count

prime current
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!e print("44//9")

wise cargoBOT
prime current
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what does that even mean

whole bear
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I wish there would be AI which can correct indentation and caps lock issue of code in code block

prime current
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oh

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yes

whole bear
prime current
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!e print(44//9)

wise cargoBOT
somber heath
#

!e ```py
print("Hello, world.")
print("Goodbye.")
```

whole bear
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&smart_eval

print(How's going)
potent carbonBOT
somber heath
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@frank raptor 👋

prime current
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whats ```py?

whole bear
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&smart_eval

print("No more mistake")
potent carbonBOT
somber heath
wise cargoBOT
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whole bear
#

&smart_eval

Var = 0
while(true):
      Var +=1 
       print(Var)
potent carbonBOT
whole bear
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&smart_eval

Var = 0
while(true):
      Var +=1 
       print(Var)
potent carbonBOT
whole bear
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Okay

prime current
#

!code py print("today is a good day") message= today is a good day print(message)

wise cargoBOT
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whole bear
#

!code

prime current
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so what did i do wrong?

somber heath
whole bear
#

!e

Var = 10
 while(true):
         Var += 1
          print(Var)
wise cargoBOT
prime current
# 
print("today is a good day")
message=today is a good day
print(message)```
whole bear
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The shell of python is a prime example!

somber heath
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@nocturne raft 👋

prime current
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it's ignoring that variable value

nocturne raft
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Hi, I donr have permissions to speak in channel, but saw activity here. 🙂

whole bear
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!e

print("today is a good day")
message=today is a good day
print(message)
prime current
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how do i make it run

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i dont know what py is i just copied you

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so this is only for discord purposes has nothing to do with thonny

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!e print

wise cargoBOT
prime current
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!e print("today is a good day")
message= today is a good day)
print(message)

wise cargoBOT
whole bear
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!e

print("I don't know about, what is going, why it's going but I do know where it is going")
wise cargoBOT
whole bear
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Python has helped me to type faster

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And focus on Indentation and caps lock

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On mobile

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BASIC?

prime current
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!e print("today is a good day")
message=(today is a good day)
print(message)

wise cargoBOT
prime current
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what am i doing wrong?

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quotation marks?

nocturne raft
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What is back ticks?

somber heath
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`

whole bear
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How many languages do you have learned @somber heath ?

prime current
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!e print("today is a good day")
message = 'today is a good day'

print(message)

wise cargoBOT
nocturne raft
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!e 'print("hi everyone)'

wise cargoBOT
prime current
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so no parenthesis around the message

whole bear
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But how many languages have you discovered so far as hobbyist?

somber heath
#

!code

wise cargoBOT
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whole bear
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The first language I learnt was C

nocturne raft
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!e '''py
print('hi everyone')
'''

wise cargoBOT
whole bear
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I have no other choice but to learn C

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As it was the first language introduced in my very first semester

nocturne raft
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'''py
print("hello world")
'''

whole bear
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@tulip plover Nah, the professor bluntly said, he wants students to learn C so most of them can drop out of frustration!

tulip plover
nocturne raft
# 
print("Hello Everyone)
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Lesssgooo I got it.

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I think

# 
print("Hello Everyone")
whole bear
# tulip plover lol

To make matters worse he asked us to write code on complex problems in which an intermediate understanding of C was a must!

We were on basic.

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He must be sadistic

nocturne raft
#

!e```py
print("hello everyone")

wise cargoBOT
nocturne raft
#

Yay!

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!e```py
hello = 5 + 2
print(hello)

wise cargoBOT
nocturne raft
#

Thank you @somber heath

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🙂

whole bear
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OpalMist is such a nice fella!

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Always here to talk about his interest and help out low creatures like US

nocturne raft
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How far are you guys in Py? I literally just started a coursera course like 2 days ago.

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I can tell he is OP.

whole bear
nocturne raft
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2 miles? hahaha.

whole bear
nocturne raft
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So far I am liking it, and yes first programming language.

whole bear
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What's wrong about it?

nocturne raft
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I dont know what 2 miles mean.

whole bear
whole bear
nocturne raft
#

what about you @tulip plover

whole bear
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Journey is not ended and it will never end

nocturne raft
#

Facts.

whole bear
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Glad you're back!

whole bear
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Ain't it like English?

nocturne raft
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I got interested because I asked one of my coworkers to automate something for me, and the next day it was done.

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I run a video team. Doing AV stuff.

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Python like english?

somber heath
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@rough lance 👋

whole bear
nocturne raft
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Wazzzup @rough lance

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@whole bear Yea, She runs some of our website stuff. Not really sure what she does because she is part of another department.

whole bear
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I'm glad she recommended you python

nocturne raft
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I just know she knows these " html / css / javascript "

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She didn't know python per say but she said she could figure out the syntax.

rough lance
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Hi

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Sorry

whole bear
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Hi

rough lance
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I joined because I wanted to make friends. I've been feeling a bit lonely lately, haha.

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cuack

whole bear
nocturne raft
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Facts, we are here.

rough lance
#

It was a pleasure listening to you all. I need to rest. see you later, guys. yert

nocturne raft
#

Alright guys, I will head out too. I have a 5am call time.
Will most definitely see you around. Thanks for the warm welcome.
Cheers!

whole bear
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Take care!

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@tulip plover pardon me.

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I do know python

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but not as good as most of the fellow members in python discord

lavish gazelle
# 
from django.core.cache import cache

# Set a cache value (key, value, timeout in seconds)
cache.set("greeting", "Hello, world!", timeout=60)  # expires in 60s

# Get a cache value
value = cache.get("greeting")
print(value)  # "Hello, world!"

# If key doesn't exist, you can supply a default
missing = cache.get("nonexistent", default="Not found")
print(missing)  # "Not found"
lavish gazelle
lavish gazelle