voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

OpenProject is good enough

Redmine is good too but looks old

also just use Forgejo

it has issue tracking built-in

just like GitHub

and GitLab

[wise loom]

yes but it's too open and you know what our friend said, [that closed source is better](#voice-chat-text-1 message)

[wise loom]

for forgejo i am actually considering migrating from gitea to it

[vocal basin]

1.22 is the last branching point

should be able to just upgrade as is

just need to do it in steps

[wise loom]

nice

[timid quartz]

hi iko

[bitter furnace]

#voice-chat-text-0

[wind raptor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes @rancid raptor

https://peps.python.org/pep-0008

[tulip root]

https://github.com/Regarrzo/spacecode

https://github.com/RustPython/RustPython

[grim bough]

how much more do I have to text over here to gain voice access 😭

[ocean gazelle]

Yo django is better or flask for backend development

[wise loom]

fully grown adult presenting hyprland.. https://tube.jeena.net/w/2EpbXJnMrDokc3362oXSTQ

also made me think of kitty, the GPU-enabled terminal

maybe one day I'll understand why a desktop manager and a terminal need GPU support

currently I don't know

[wise loom]

This question is fundamental and of utmost importance.
Thank you for bringing this matter to the forefront so others can analyze and disseminate it.
Although it is a hard and challenging question, I believe that eventually, breakthroughs will be made in this area,
pushing the envelope and developing humanity's understanding in the forward direction.
I also want to compliment you for your audacious and rather brave pursuit in posing this question because there aren't that many people who dare ask such fundamental questions.

[lavish rover]

https://github.com/mustafaquraish/ocert/blob/master/src/renderer.oc#L19-L55

[calm spire]

yoo everyone

[wise loom]

Hello Pro Coder, please teach me how to code

[vocal basin]

not functioning

VC1 works, VC0 doesn't

[wind raptor]

Weird

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor I connected with a different VPN

now seems to work

I can see the delay between the green highlight and sound

[wind raptor]

!stream 1268439898914820167 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @plain pollen can now stream until <t:1757423319:f>.

[wind raptor]

hi @chilly wolf bye @chilly wolf

[chilly wolf]

See ya! :)

[north bone]

i cant talk sad boi hrs

@heavy zenith

sad boi hrsssss

wyd?

[heavy zenith]

.!user

[north bone]

i saw its like 25 messages or smth

where u from?

also it says you gotta be here for 3 days

where?

[whole bear]

@heavy zenith Feminism is political term used for political means only.

Equality and liberty is already in existence, but Feminism was coined for political purposes only

@heavy zenith 50/50 split in senate based on gender is not good.

It reduces competitiveness and more importantly it doesn't solve the issue of disadvantaged gender, it is a pure political stunt.

The system should be open to all and not be limited to some

@heavy zenith Okay I'll give a practical pov, If woman get political representation purely because she is woman, behind her man would influence her decision.

That's how it goes in India, it made a terrible decision and woman is like a ceremonial her husband is one who pulls string

@heavy zenith I prefer if woman get more financial and political independence.

But these two ingredients are not possible in a poor or middle income country, in which man itself doesn't have equal rights on ground but on paper 📜.

@heavy zenith best example of 30/70 split is Republic of Rawanda.

The reason was because after the civil war most Man population declined significantly and women took advantage of this very opportunity to pursue the new regime to have such a law.

Yet Rawanda has failed to resolve the disadvantaged gender issues

[calm spire]

yo everyone

[whole bear]

@heavy zenith In politics, enablers of power choose to have leader who is Old Man, because they prefer someone who is closer to death ☠️, and won't challenge the position and power of enablers.

Women are not preferred as leaders because, women on average have higher life expectancy despite being old, her husband would be another problem to deal with for enablers

So enablers prefer to choose Single Old Guy which has high risk of death or dementia

Best example:

These countries have poor leadership!

[vocal basin]

oh, wow, three lies in one message, quite a high concentration

[whole bear]

Explain pls

@heavy zenith Let him cook, he is command in chief of nuclear program of these country!

😆

He knows who God is!

He is messenger 😔

@upbeat oasis I wonder 🤨, how come you are certain and confident about government?

Bureaucracy, always surprise in the worst possible way, have a look at this :
https://youtu.be/I1rzcZWTIjo?si=9qSFLMFaAB6ywjwW

@heavy zenith Nuclear weapons are hard to intercept but not impossible to intercept.

Cabel to Detenoator can be damaged it will completely intercept the nuclear weapon

Your discussion reminds of the famous Quote :
" Nuclear Weapons are an invention to kill Asians"

• Famous quote by some asian leader

Before Japan got bombed

[whole bear]

Because you were so confident about your claims

The governments always surprise in the worst possible way

Having an opinion is different to presenting it as fact just because you think so it doesn't mean it should be

Nope

There are more countries

[vocal basin]

we're already at fifth version of East Germany

[whole bear]

Wdym?

[vocal basin]

... that's way too simple of a joke

[whole bear]

I'm an idiot sandwich 🥪

[heavy zenith]

@vocal basin are there only 40 countries because apparently there are only 40?

[whole bear]

@fast gyro He is professor 😄

we are student

He has been yapping so do we

[heavy zenith]

I've visited the ddr museum in berlin

[vocal basin]

"no, comrad, there are only eight, the rest are imperialistic fiction"

[whole bear]

He has done all his research

he is him

[wise loom]

What are you guise doing right now?
-- typical user in the VC

[viscid scaffold]

http//

[viscid scaffold]

{
"catppuccin/nvim",
name = "catppuccin",
priority = 1000,
config = function()
require("catppuccin").setup({
flavour = "mocha",
})
vim.cmd.colorscheme("catppuccin")
end,
},

require("lazy").setup({

{ import = "vprado.plugins" },

[echo bison]

bye bye

[sour folio]

Failed to load plugins.catppuccin:
/home/redux/.config/nvim/lua/plugins/catppuccin.lua:12: unexpected symbol near '<eof>'

No specs found for module "catppuccin.lua"

[wise loom]

wow..

[viscid scaffold]

:CatppuccinCompile

[wise loom]

low-poly was still trendy in 2019 when the prototype was unveiled

cybertruck looks like a car in a 3d car game from the 90s

it's low-poly because Tesla engineers ONLY have H100s and other high-grade GPUs to work with

[tulip gyro]

I was fascinated by this picture

[stray pewter]

hi

[visual lion]

holaaa, aluien español?
necesito ayuda con computacion cuantica

[wind raptor]

!rule 4

Hey! Please try to use English on the server. Thanks!

[wise cargo]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[visual lion]

Hello
I need help with quantum computing. Does anyone know anything or can help me?

[wind raptor]

You may want to repost this in #data-science-and-ml or come back when @upper basin is online.

[upper basin]

I just woke up. What's up?

[visual lion]

I need help jsjs

[upper basin]

Right. Specifically with?

[visual lion]

in #data-science-and-ml

[visual lion]

@somber heath I'm not allowed to speak

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[visual lion]

@somber heath I don't speak English apart xd

Im new

3 days xd

gracias =
thank

Do you know anything about quantum computing?

yes, spanish

Dx

no gracias xddd

wa

yes

Well, I think I'll go to sleep. Tomorrow I have to present a project that I didn't even finish and they don't even teach us how to program. lol

haha

au revoir

[inner hill]

@static herald

Are You There?

hey

@long dragon ,Are You There

[long dragon]

yep

[long dragon]

sry im afk

[static herald]

yes

[vocal basin]

now works

[somber heath]

@thick saddle 👋

@cursive minnow 👋

[vocal basin]

Kangaroos bit through the wires

[somber heath]

@wild swift 👋

@hollow root 👋

@sly anchor 👋

@cursive minnow 👋

[vocal basin]

@last ingot first, lockfiles

don't do unattended autoupdate

if you just use latest without checking what the updates actually are, there will be problems

[vocal basin]

older npm wasn't doing those

"smart" "contracts"

leftpad is surprisingly non-trivial

and there are ways to overengineer it

you need to handle, for example, padding being a number or other weird thing

correct implementation is something like 4~5 lines

original is >10 8

"fixed" is >20

(as you may infer, original and "fixed" aren't correct)

[vocal basin]

and correct version authored by Kevlin Henney

[vocal basin]

this is, surprisingly, pre-LLM

high quality human-authored garbage

if (...) ...
// comment
else ...

this is evil formatting

ugh why is apple website so laggy

hmm

woohoo vapourware

this page https://www.apple.com/iphone-air/

@last ingot if you're getting a Pixel, you should get it before Google decides to lock them down like Apple does

Android is already back to proprietary

Anom 2

it's a reference to Anom

which was a federal agents' operation to trick criminals into using fake anonymous phones

[last ingot]

that is such a thin phone

[vocal basin]

put it in a picture frame

is it the one where they do this weird two-layer glass thing?

for buttons and whatever

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-lisa-simpson-the-simpsons-gif-8731042

@midnight agate Discord booted me.

The mobile app is buggy.

Or something.

It's been happening for a few weeks.

[echo bison]

print('sdfaasdfasfddsf')```

[wind raptor]

!stream 740572512005521458

[wise cargo]

✅ @willow nebula can now stream until <t:1757522341:f>.

[wind raptor]

https://discussions.unity.com/t/change-folder-unity/847884 @willow nebula

[night oasis]

print("hello word").lower()

[timid quartz]

sigh

[vocal basin]

meanwhile on desktop/web random disconnects have been consistently happening for something like 2 years

[vocal basin]

VC1 worked without a VPN, VC0 works now with a VPN

this gigantic empty space is growing further

[somber heath]

@marsh moon 👋

[vocal basin]

@somber heath got shot yes

@somber heath tbf how dare universities exist under that government

clearly they're the enemies of uneducated

okay this is a very unusual experience:
there is a sale going on but I already have most of the games there bought

[timid quartz]

chris

u see that charlie kirk got shot

[vocal basin]

.

[timid quartz]

@somber heathjs because u dont like him doesnt mean u shouldnt still pray for him

[vocal basin]

what

american news are such a joke, every headline with a word "pray" in it

after a quick glance, no one was even questioning how the gun could've been allowed there

🦅🦅🦅🦅

[timid quartz]

did u see the video yuyaify

its sad how his body like froze

@wind raptorchris will i ever get my voice bacj

[somber heath]

@mellow fern 👋

[vocal basin]

I've seen videos of 2024-03-22 attack and I was close enough to the place at the time to hear the rescue helicopters, so some random bozo, who deserved that, getting shot isn't shock content for me

[mellow fern]

hi!

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor are you willing to try implementing a doubly linked list in Rust one more time

but this time without unsafe

and, like, without Arc/Rc

[vocal basin]

you can emulate manual memory management with something like this
https://docs.rs/slab

[vocal basin]

if you don't have requirements of pinning stuff in memory/allocating only in small chunks, this seems to be quite a good approach to do node-based data structures

this

struct Node<T> {
    prev: usize,
    next: usize,
    value: T,
}

struct List<T> {
    slab: Slab<Node<T>>,
    first: usize,
    last: usize,
}

[mellow fern]

can i ask what you guys are working on?

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm we're back to 1939: Russia invading Poland

[whole bear]

is anyone else a 640 by 480 enthusiast?

[wind raptor]

This is cool. Yeah, much better than arc rc approach

[vocal basin]

it's useful even if you later re-write it with pointers (possibly in another language, e.g. C/C++/Zig)

since you can add checks

[wind raptor]

Yeah

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm
> Germany militarises to protect against Russia
> AfD comes to power
> Germany allies with Russia

[wind raptor]

g2g make some dinner. I'll be back after 😄

[somber heath]

@lone forge 👋

@empty furnace 👋

[lone forge]

Hey

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm 💥-ops

[vocal basin]

wait, US really renamed department of defence to department of war?

[primal shadow]

Yea

We are warmongers after all

[vocal basin]

this is some sort of reverse-1984 type naming

[somber heath]

Not in law, which is where the word defence in the name comes from. So it's not its legal name.

Nineteen-eighty-four would be calling it the Ministry of Peace, or Minipax.

Hence reverse.

[vocal basin]

yes

@somber heath more so totalitarian rather than authoritarian

until they get Thatcher 2 or whatever

[vocal basin]

at least in how it sounds currently

[vocal basin]

like pre-winnie-the-pooh China

@flint hill and they act on hallucinations too

it's not just for quicker search

[patent chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

[wind raptor]

Not server appropriate

[patent chasm]

ok

it was for entertainment for bagguette, i wont post it again

[echo bison]

i asked for it

[wind raptor]

It doesn't matter if you asked for it lol

[patent chasm]

understood

[echo bison]

oh, my bad then

[wind raptor]

Just dm if it has anything that breaks any server rules

[patent chasm]

https://regex101.com/

[wind raptor]

I'm not against it, it just doesn't belong here

[echo bison]

👍

[wind raptor]

ty 😄

[wise loom]

@unique wyvern a non-graphical desktop manager, yeah babeeeey!
we're going back to the 90s 🦖 , just like we should
https://github.com/Julien-cpsn/desktop-tui

now we just need a TUI client for Discord

[willow nebula]

mb

[wise loom]

https://jiratui.sh/

[royal bane]

how to get video role? @wise loom

@peak siren

can you help

[calm ginkgo]

https://xkcd.com/451/

xkcd: Impostor

If you think this is too hard on literary criticism, read the Wikipedia article on deconstruction.

[royal bane]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/karan-raj-founder/

[vocal basin]

I discovered SQLite accepts x'FF' as a valid text value

time for some very cursed query hacks

[vocal basin]

therefore col >= $1 can be represented as col BETWEEN $1 AND x'FF' (assuming col is valid utf-8 text), so no need to make separate queries for min and min+max cases

@urban abyss I have some CI nightmares to deal with too
at least it' not hours long

[vocal basin]

this one is a tiny project; but dependencies are giant

(linking the entirety of cargo and git)

https://docs.rs/cargo

that crate

• building all that for 4 targets

msvc, mingw, linux x86_64, linux aarch64
(soon will also include RISC-V)

I think I'll drop the mingw/aarch64 builds at some points, since this thing is more of a dev tool

very simple dev tool, only does the following things:

• manages subtrees (not submodules)
• extracts package versions from the workspace and turns that into git tags (1.2.3, then re-tags 1.2 and 1)
• parses and rearranges the changelog

yes, it uses Cargo's semver (not generic semver)

so 0.1.0 also gets tagged as 0.1

since rust semver treats 0.X.Y (X > 0) as 0.major.minor not arbitrary pre-release

major.minor.patch
0.major.minor
0.0.major

[scarlet halo]

so is 1.1 = major.minor

[vocal basin]

explicitly declaring no backwards-compatibility yet

there exists an argument that minor/patch differentiation is actually kind of useless

I think that's part of why serde is still at 1.0.X

patch is expected to be future-compatible

i.e. you can rollback

which makes less sense for library-style dependencies which don't have persistence and stuff like that

if you have an app which does, for example, DB migrations as part of its upgrade process,
minor can add migrations
patch cannot

[vocal basin]

mostly comes from the ability to specify patch versions in the dependencies declaration

templating

@urban abyss I think Ansible uses jinja at some point

and GitHub Actions possibly too?
like that ${{}} part

though I think GHA have their own thing

it's a generic templating thing

like handlebars

I use Forgejo Actions

magical CI in the magical cloud

running ✨somewhere✨

[vocal basin]

https://x.com/tekbog/status/1866989808062697929

terminally onλine εngineer 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇸 ~ new era (@t...

serverless architecture and a segfault in prod
serverless architecture and a segfault in prod
serverless architecture and a segfault in prod

X · Dec 11, 2024, 11:33 PM

I recently had to deal with compiler segfaults in CI

server is running a very unfortunate combination of a buggy Docker release and a questionable OS (Ubuntu Server 24.04)

any sort of nested docker stuff is still problematic

we do docker-docker-qemu-podman at work in some cases because nothing else worked

docker host, then docker-in-docker running CI, then stuff running inside podman with qemu virtualisation

cheem-u or q-emú

normally the first option

keem-u

like

ch like in chemistry

2 hours to rewrite the whole code base into Swift

[iron geyser]

@wise loom 2 351,70 € for the last month

24%

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor write-only platform

place to post failed infographics

@wind raptor half

[wise loom]

@dire pebble use Mumble

[dire pebble]

Mumble

[wise loom]

@dire pebble check the ports, both TCP and UDP

[vocal basin]

firewall issues?

[wise loom]

ufw, iptables/nftables, firewalld.. who knows which firewall is involved cause he didn't mention

[vocal basin]

ugh

[wise loom]

@dire pebble did you check basic connectivity on the ports required by mumble? with netcat

[vocal basin]

okay I would potentially be willing to help but, because AI, no

[wise loom]

@dire pebble where is the server actually? are you doing this in your LAN or are you exposing it to the internet?

[wind raptor]

always google a guide / tutorial on what you are trying to do before going to AI. AI is soo wrong more often than you think

[wise loom]

@dire pebble which ports did you open?

there's no firewall issue on either sides
how do you know that?

as far as i know, as far as i know
how did you verify that the ports required are open?

how, how did you check it

how did you check it

[vocal basin]

step 1: disable ufw
step 2: uninstall ufw

[wise loom]

all are allowed for the entire local place
what does that mean

[wind raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yYkwWOcB4

[vocal basin]

don't those things tend to need more than a couple of ports?

as in whole ranges

especially in UDP

[wise loom]

@dire pebble ^^ have you tried this?

[vocal basin]

if your "security" is ufw, you severely misunderstand networking security as a whole

don't bind to ports

[wise loom]

ai told me that i need ufw

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaa

[wise loom]

i keep a log of all things i install and all settings i make

when my system gets bloated, i just reinstall the OS and only install the things i kept notes about

[amber raptor]

Generally no

[wise loom]

ChatGPT is smarter than Knuth bro..

it knows everything ..

Sam Altman said we won't even be configuring servers cause AI will do it for us

He also said doctors, lawyers, teachers better watch the F out cause AI is coming for their jobs

[calm ginkgo]

lmao sam altman said it bro

so it's true

[wise loom]

the last code Altman wrote was in 2005 but now he makes predictions about data centers in outer space

[calm ginkgo]

dang bro is hella coping cuz his scaling strategy didn't work lol

[wind raptor]

!cpban 1058241141495038012

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @proud prawn until <t:1757952548:f> (4 days).

[oblique aspen]

hi

[wind raptor]

https://github.com/nvim-mini/mini.files

[whole bear]

Hey yall!

I'm pretty new to python is there any way to easily encrypt and license my app?

[cerulean ridge]

I think most people swallow their own bodily fluid about 1L a day?

[vocal basin]

1. pyarmor
2. nuitka
3. don't

Python isn't really fit for obfuscation

and licensing is generally a legislative thing

=> get a lawyer if you're serious about it

or an army of them and become Oracle 2

[calm ginkgo]

Python isn't really fit for obfuscation
meanwhile me who can't understand my own code 3 months later

[vocal basin]

if the code was born unreadable does that count as obfuscation

in-brain obfuscation facilities

no need for an extra tool

[calm ginkgo]

sssushhhh it's a superpower

[vocal basin]

actually, yeah, no one really cares, especially competitors

competitors think you're an idiot so much that they're fine with going out of business just for the sake of refusing to use your code

NIH

not-invented-here

invented-somewhere-we-don't-like

[calm ginkgo]

lmao

[vocal basin]

where I work there's, like, several people like that

at least three including me

[plain pollen]

Hi @wind raptor

[wind raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZIW6DiJI8PE

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor I think Krisp is not functioning

[calm ginkgo]

i literally do 0 work myself, + highest paid engineer..tho if i die nothing happens...but if the actual guy dies we're screwed

the secret to doing nothing at a job is knowing lots of math

no one, not even ur boss can question ur decisions 🙂

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor ... what else other than zsh could've it been

bash?

ash?

sh?

[calm ginkgo]

h

[vocal basin]

yes

[calm ginkgo]

obviously

[vocal basin]

stands for hell

@wind raptor that's not the emulator afaik?

[calm ginkgo]

the most effective way of writing code is to hook a Brain Computing interface to your brain and code using thoughts

[vocal basin]

emulator is the outside looking thingy

like Windows Terminal

in the WindowsTerminal-Powershell analogy, zsh is like Powershell

[vocal basin]

I really wouldn't like all my thoughts to be translated into code

text is very effective as input

purely textual output is not generally effective for many things

[calm ginkgo]

lmao i was joking tho

[vocal basin]

some people genuinely claim that

[calm ginkgo]

oh?

the joke was that it would take longer to build a BCI that can do brain waves to text properly

[vocal basin]

wasn't that part of the premise of that one monkey-killing ex-trump-wife startup

neuralink

[calm ginkgo]

ahhh

yeah, neuralink sucks tho

[vocal basin]

the whole technologist group quit

so they had to replace them with whoever they could find

[calm ginkgo]

yeah, its like when musk's own AI bot corrects him or his own "Readers added context" corrects him...he's very smart obviously /jk

[vocal basin]

e.g. gdb isn't the most efficient way to consume debug info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9_bK_WjuYY

[calm ginkgo]

clicks

[vocal basin]

that whole conference is peak content

mostly gamedev-related but a lot of things there are useful for more general problems

[calm ginkgo]

interesting

[vocal basin]

Automatic Speech Recognition (allegedly)

(ASR)

[vocal basin]

the most "unusual" maths I had to do at work so far was Galois fields

(in quotes because it's, like, basics just not taught everywhere)

[calm ginkgo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

[vocal basin]

@fast gyro

[calm ginkgo]

!pypi openskill

[wise cargo]

openskill v6.1.3

Multiplayer Rating System. No Friction.

Released on <t:1750418728:D>.

[calm ginkgo]

https://www.kaggle.com/daegontaven

[fast gyro]

@calm ginkgo

[calm ginkgo]

https://www.aicrowd.com/challenges/the-neural-mmo-challenge

https://www.kaggle.com/code/daegontaven/taudock-lightning-training

https://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/papers/volume12/weng11a/weng11a.pdf

https://openskill.me/en/stable/api/openskill.models.weng_lin.plackett_luce.html#openskill.models.weng_lin.plackett_luce.PlackettLuce._a

https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/google-code-golf-2025

[calm ginkgo]

https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/arc-prize-2025/leaderboard

https://github.com/da-fr/arc-prize-2024/blob/main/the_architects.pdf

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.21734

https://iliao2345.github.io/blog_posts/arc_agi_without_pretraining/arc_agi_without_pretraining.html

[calm ginkgo]

sentence: phrase | word
phrase: complementizer_phrase
      | tense_phrase
      | verb_phrase
      | noun_phrase
      | prepositional_phrase
      | adjective_phrase
      | adverb_phrase
      | (complementizer_phrase CONJOIN complementizer_phrase)
      | (tense_phrase CONJOIN tense_phrase)
      | (verb_phrase CONJOIN verb_phrase)
      | (noun_phrase CONJOIN noun_phrase)
      | (prepositional_phrase CONJOIN prepositional_phrase)
      | (adjective_phrase CONJOIN adjective_phrase)
      | (adverb_phrase CONJOIN adverb_phrase)
word: (COMPLEMENTIZER CONJOIN COMPLEMENTIZER)
    | (TENSE CONJOIN TENSE)
    | (NOUN CONJOIN NOUN)
    | (VERB CONJOIN VERB)
    | (PREPOSITION CONJOIN PREPOSITION)
    | (ADJECTIVE CONJOIN ADJECTIVE)
    | (ADVERB CONJOIN ADVERB)
complementizer_phrase: COMPLEMENTIZER? tense_phrase
tense_phrase: (noun_phrase | complementizer_phrase) TENSE? verb_phrase
verb_phrase: adverb_phrase* VERB noun_phrase? (noun_phrase | complementizer_phrase)? adverb_phrase* prepositional_phrase* adverb_phrase*
noun_phrase: DETERMINER? adjective_phrase* NOUN prepositional_phrase* complementizer_phrase?
prepositional_phrase: PREPOSITION noun_phrase?
adjective_phrase: adverb_phrase? ADJECTIVE
adverb_phrase:  adverb_phrase? ADVERB

CONJOIN:
COMPLEMENTIZER:
DETERMINER:
TENSE:
NOUN:
VERB:
ADJECTIVE:
PREPOSITION:
ADVERB:

[vocal basin]

Perl

unparseable

[calm ginkgo]

yeah

[vocal basin]

"just give it access to a calculator"

(only slightly increases the N)

[cerulean ridge]

slightly?

[vocal basin]

it still needs to at least be able to remember the number

already non-0-effort task

it can't recite text as is

so would probably have trouble with numbers too

[vocal basin]

!e print(105640659+52540983)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

158181642

[vocal basin]

seems to match

it's not a chain of thought, nor is it even mimicking one

[cerulean ridge]

why not?

[calm ginkgo]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.18654
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.15360

[vocal basin]

when you write down notes while you solve something -- that's not a chain of thought either

can you add numbers with regex

you can check divisibility with regex if you're willing to lose all sanity

multiplication would actually be complicated

or division where divisor isn't static/small

(small being <10)

[cerulean ridge]

!e print(525*409)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

214725

[vocal basin]

I used to be able to compute stuff like that in-brain without intermediate notes but then I started doing real maths instead of tons of useless arithmetic

such a useless skill

[cerulean ridge]

so, what is chain of thought?

[vocal basin]

@calm ginkgo "banned for asking how many Rs there are in a cranberry"

"we only trained for strawberry, how dare you"

[forest cedar]

Hello guys, can I get a brief context what is going on ?

[vocal basin]

first definition here
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chain_of_thought

second one is AI bro bs

[forest cedar]

Yup if you donot use credits for a long time like 1 year it will expire

[vocal basin]

LLM "reasoning" models are mimicking notes not thoughts

[cerulean ridge]

the idea is that AI cannot do semantic, which I kinda agree, but I wnat to properly understand what is "semantic". the context being the arc challenge

[cerulean ridge]

so if i am referring to that ai prompting technique, what word do you want me to use?

[cerulean ridge]

no one is here talking about human thoughts when we say chain of thoughts

[vocal basin]

preferably none at all, unless you're working as a marketing consultant for that bubble

[forest cedar]

ok is it like AI can not generate semantic responses or semantic searches,k beacause both are different , right,. plz correct me if I am wrong

[vocal basin]

I care about correct usage of words

[cerulean ridge]

we are talking about whether or not openAI API uses chain of thought prompt engineering in the background or not, what word should I use?

[calm ginkgo]

!e 761 * 513

[vocal basin]

print

[calm ginkgo]

forgot that lol

!e print(761 * 513)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

390393

[cerulean ridge]

no, more like arc challenge

[vocal basin]

wow so many actions

a whole

0

[forest cedar]

Oo, I am getting, I am also learning that topic now, prompt engineerning, as far as I understood, cot is not semantic, we just have to explain the thought process in the prompt so that before generating any output the LLM will try to go through systematic process of thinking as mentioned in the prompt.

[cerulean ridge]

yes, I don't think that cot is semantic either

[forest cedar]

And boom my open AI api is just there to provide aLanguage model only

[forest cedar]

yup

[cerulean ridge]

!e print(105640 * 525409)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

55504206760

[calm ginkgo]

∃y∃z∀x((Fx→Gy)∧(Gz→Fx))→∀x∃y(Fx↔Gy)

[vocal basin]

humans think in more than just words

(though that's different between different people, certain pattern recognition tasks bypass language-related logic and/or the person is unable to even express the reasoning text-ly)

!e

print((10 ** (30 * 30 * 5)).bit_length())

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

14949

[vocal basin]

problems simple for humans to solve aren't necessarily easy to express in text

"maybe we should just go back to decision trees at this point"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_tarpit

[calm ginkgo]

https://github.com/neoneye/arc-dataset-collection

[vocal basin]

proper buzzwording

@calm ginkgo $600'000K part of that only if you get above a certain threshold?

if I read that correctly

!e

print(700_000+125_000+125_000)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

950000

[vocal basin]

vibe accounting

$50'000 where

[cerulean ridge]

https://neoneye.github.io/arc/edit.html?dataset=ARC&task=0934a4d8

[vocal basin]

GPT fees

[scarlet halo]

hey yall!

[cerulean ridge]

https://neoneye.github.io/arc/edit.html?dataset=ARC&task=817e6c09

[vocal basin]

part of what Fermat wrote was also just wrong iirc

[vocal basin]

I have no idea if I'm doing something wrong,
but I submitted a thing, it was incorrect, then checked the answer, it was the exact same

confusion

[wise loom]

IQ test for AI ?

[vocal basin]

pattern recognition without having been trained on those specific patterns before

as far as I understand

[supple cove]

https://www.trackingai.org/home

What would a 300 IQ score even mean?

[vocal basin]

I haven't seen such a wrong graph in a while

a very funny parody

[vocal basin]

.xkcd 605

[viscid lagoon]

XKCD comic #605

By the third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside you.

2009/7/3 - #605, 'Extrapolating'

[vocal basin]

13.3 standard deviations away in a normal distribution

I don't know how low of a percentage that is approximately like

but likely below 1e-15

[tulip plover]

@hexed geyser Hi

[timid quartz]

@somber heath

hi

i said f word

not fuck

t

i got to shop tomorrow

ima buy this

[wind raptor]

Coffee?

[timid quartz]

no the suit

[wind raptor]

jk

lol

[timid quartz]

do u like it

[wind raptor]

It looks good

[somber heath]

@reef plume 👋

[reef plume]

Hlo

[timid quartz]

ty

[reef plume]

Yes

[wise loom]

numbers for SWE-bench benchmark were fudged https://github.com/SWE-bench/SWE-bench/issues/465
in other news Altman paid Epoch AI and FrontierMath and other companies that put together the math benchmarks..
there should be NO relation between AI product makers and benchmarks, they shouldn't be allowed to even talk to eachother

https://fortune.com/2025/01/21/eye-on-ai-openai-o3-math-benchmark-frontiermath-epoch-altman-trump-biden/

[vocal basin]

the bench

[urban abyss]

how do you deal with a coworker who can't think for themselves?? everything is questioned down to the minutest detail

[vocal basin]

have you tried making them answer their own questions?

the "no u" approach

[urban abyss]

Bit difficult to do over text without sounding like a dick, easier over voice I guess 😅

[vocal basin]

I have done that before very directly, in text and in person

[urban abyss]

You are braver than I

I'm in vc0 if you're around

[vocal basin]

discord not working again

VPN time

now connected

[vocal basin]

I'm also instructed to do that by the CTO (forcing people to do things themselves rather than asking me for detailed help)

[wise loom]

I think if they question everything it's either to buy time or stall or to challenge until everything becomes intractable

[urban abyss]

I don't think you're wrong there, definietly dealt with that before

[vocal basin]

there's an Amazon-ish (allegedly) approach:
enforce, through tooling, that they can't do the wrong thing, so the relevance of asking "am I doing this right?" at all becomes smaller

another not necessarily good but possible approach:
if they are actually doing something wrong and getting an error/giving wrong inputs => catch that programmatically and alter error messages rather than explaining stuff in conversations
(passive-aggressive error handling)

I'm reworking the permission system for one of the products I maintain at work

adding an option to share permissions from one access group to another

it's custom

I haven't yet worked with anything in the actual cloud except for GitHub (if that counts as a cloud thing at all)

all on-prem

cloud-adjacent architecture stuff seems to be useful even outside it

all the serverlessbuzzwordful stuff

[somber heath]

Hoy hi.

🧻

[urban abyss]

Sorry the fam barged in, gotta bounce 😆

[wind raptor]

Good luck with your co-worker

[somber heath]

@ashen gazelle👋

[ashen gazelle]

?

[somber heath]

You joined voice chat without voice verification. I like to wave to such people to highlight the presence of the accompanying text channel.

Webcomics.

The Knight Only Lives Today.

Though I follow several.

Something like that, yes.

Weekly, typically, but it varies.

New.

It's been around for a while. I remember reading the first few chapters a long time ago and I just rediscovered it.

Mm.

Not as much as I'd like to.

The only Ghibli DVD I have is that one.

Grave of the Fireflies.

It's about the bombing of Hiroshima.

The lives of a young boy and his younger sister.

It's not that it's dark, so much as...just...really sad and tragic.

I say gibley.

with a hard g.

Guh

J-j-j-jost!

joest

joe st

yarp

Hi hi.

[vocal basin]

reminder: gif is pronounced with a y

[somber heath]

@languid kelp👋

[languid kelp]

Yow

Im a 2nd year college and now i have a quiz about java

[somber heath]

I'm afraid that I have no working knowledge of Java.

[languid kelp]

Our quiz is just more on basics

The printIn and print stuffs and its some principles about it

Yep

Our prof recommended vs code or online compilers

Do you still use gpt?

[somber heath]

@silent plaza👋

[languid kelp]

On work?

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-weird-al-yankovic-weird-al-weird-al-tacky-gif-24957059

[languid kelp]

Like cyber security stuffs

Are you comsci?

[somber heath]

Like training it on vulnerabilities and asking it to spot other such vulnerabilities. It might not catch everything, but it could serve to catch some stuff you miss.

[languid kelp]

Is it true im gonna be unemployed next 3-4 yrs because of the fridging AI?

[somber heath]

It is a disruptive technology. Your question doesn't have a reliably predictable answer.

[languid kelp]

Do you know any AI that makes or generates reviewer?

I mean reviewers like questionnaires

Can i add you in discord?

[vocal basin]

100; 200 if nitro

(limit iirc)

[somber heath]

@whole bear👋

[whole bear]

talk pls

talking me pls

[silent plaza]

i know i can

[whole bear]

ı am turkey bro

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[silent plaza]

oh i get what he means too now

[vocal basin]

the first letter there does kind of support that claim

[silent plaza]

uhh

i'm good

i'm interested in chemistry but my dad is a engineer so

he's trying to help me learn some languages

hardware and software

he doesn't bring too much of those hardware home but i ocassionally see him tinkering some machinery

like fixing a old scooter

i'm still an amateur

just python lol

he wants me to learn javascript next

[somber heath]

@round trail👋

[silent plaza]

i really want to learn c++ and try controlling some machines

[vocal basin]

you can prototype stuff in Rust+slab, then rewrite that into C if you really need C for whatever reason

slab gives you the escape hatch to do pointer-like stuff without race conditions

another fun one
https://docs.rs/bumpalo

it's for throwaway stuff

blasting through a task then burning it down

https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei-ffi/blob/main/ruchei-ffi-tracing/src/lib.rs#L450-L458

[wise cargo]

ruchei-ffi-tracing/src/lib.rs lines 450 to 458

struct BumpVisit<'store, 'bump, 'borrow, 'visit>(
    &'borrow mut bumpalo::collections::Vec<
        'bump,
        Tuple2<&'store RField, RDebug_TO<'store, RRef<'store, ()>>>,
    >,
    &'visit dyn AsValues,
);

impl<'store, 'bump: 'store, 'visit: 'store> Visit for BumpVisit<'store, 'bump, '_, 'visit> {```

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor it's actually worse

scroll up

and look at the gradient

though they might've fixed that

#voice-chat-text-1 message

it was displayed over the chat

and when you hovered over it it would prevent scroll

ig they removed it because too ugly

[wise loom]

nothing's stopping you

[silent plaza]

i'm not sure

[dull tartan]

heyy

i have discord perms induced speech disability

so I can only text

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[dull tartan]

im not cool enough yet

but thank you]]

[wind raptor]

You'll get it soon enough and then forget about the "before" time

[dull tartan]

I hope so

[somber heath]

@obtuse falcon@polar isle@hexed geyser👋

[wise loom]

@dark dove are you warrior?

[vocal basin]

I think this is the largest number of explicit lifetimes I ever had to deal with at once without involving generics

Django properly supports ASGI

Flask doesn't

Quart does

eh

batteries included can be Go-/Node-style

not this weird framework madness

if you want frameworky framework, then go all the way and do Rails

[wise loom]

we have to find the best framework, we really must because that will make us a lot of money and then we go to Ibiza or Palma de Mallorca

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor I like how Rails tutorial does this:
here's all the boilerplate you have to write,
oh and btw there's a single-line thing that does it for you so you don't have to write it all the time

DHH is largely a fan of reducing complexity over time

@wind raptor Fortran

[wise loom]

I vote for Fortran because it's very stable

[vocal basin]

I like Rust for ergonomics, productivity and ease of writing

anything API is just easier to write in Rust

https://docs.rs/axum

it's a very tiny framework actually

axum is so much simpler than FastAPI

orders of magnitude less confusing

@wind raptor I've had so much typing problems in Pydantic that this argument just doesn't work at all

at least Rust does that at compile time

[wise loom]

memory accountant

[vocal basin]

Pydantic+generics->pain

default fields in Pydantic are somehow less flexible compared to serde

need to write some weird extra method logic to, for example, exclude fields conditionally

[vocal basin]

I've witnessed so much types and lifetimes complexity in Python

@wind raptor THEY DID NOT FIX IT

okay so

select a message to reply, then scroll up

you will see the gradient

[wise loom]

I can have my program 💿 run in a container🫙.
I have a ton of containers in my house, I place in them many things, then I put the lid on.

[vocal basin]

and when someone else sends a message the gradient disappears

@dark dove CPython assumes glibc

you can do musl

and Alpine has glibc support too

musl isn't a "version" of glibc

[wise loom]

does musl have ABI compat with glibc?

[vocal basin]

absolutely not

musl you wouldn't even dynamically load normally

you link to Linux ABI instead of glibc ABI

Alpine is completely fine, just a different OS

@wind raptor kubörnetes or however Rabbit and Hemlock pronounce it

with Rust most of my things are just a single binary

and containerising it is literally just image: alpine volumes: - ./app:/app command: /app/stuff

@wind raptor could've just linked to Ocen

it still has Farzin in the list of contributors

I fixed docs' CSS

https://github.com/ocen-lang/ocen/commits?author=wickedjargon

[vocal basin]

... and it doesn't appear again

aaaaa

[wind raptor]

weird

[vocal basin]

such a broken feature

anyway, yes, there is still, in some form, that broken gradient

[wind raptor]

I didn't see that, maybe you need to update?

[vocal basin]

oh wait

okay so scroll up and I'll start typing, you'll see maybe

[wind raptor]

ohhh

I see it

[vocal basin]

it's giant

[wind raptor]

Yeah

[vocal basin]

you can't scroll when hovering over it

bonus feature to that brand new empty space

[wind raptor]

🎉

[vocal basin]

@still herald 👋

sleeping

20 hours a day

efficient weekend utilisation

there is a theoretical possibility that I might play games

@wind raptor "and those hidden things aren't drugs?"

[still herald]

Hi

[vocal basin]

specifically Space Engineers

Space Engineers added food

@wind raptor "explaining technical interviews to kids using dolls"

[wise loom]

interviewing for babies 👶

[vocal basin]

"barbie is getting a job as a business efficiency consultant"
"but, dad, that job is bullshit!!"

[ocean gazelle]

Yo how can I learn system design in these two days sat or sunday any suggestions?

[vocal basin]

sounds like a #software-architecture question potentially

not sure

@wind raptor they're not in the VC

[wind raptor]

Why only 2 days?

[wise loom]

because the rest were spent on socializing

[vocal basin]

behaviour interview preparation

@dry jasper you're an amino acid now

[wise loom]

shooting the breeze, schmoozing, smalltalk

[vocal basin]

@dry jasper or a flag with two "cut here" markings

[ocean gazelle]

I have an Interview

[vocal basin]

@sinful phoenix 👋

[sinful phoenix]

@vocal basin 👋

[wise loom]

motor skills?

[ocean gazelle]

Any playlists?

[vocal basin]

look up Jimmy Bogard's talks

@wind raptor on a less interesting note: have you used Codespaces/GitPod/Coder before?

GitPod/Coder seem to be dying gradually

judging by their inclusion of .claude in the source repo

GitPod re-branded also

[wise loom]

maybe they have nothing to hide if they include .claude

[vocal basin]

to One or whatever

[dry jasper]

@abstract mural 👋

[vocal basin]

I think at this point I might just go with Eclipse

Eclipse has two Cloud IDEs

at least two

[still herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_3948y/s/ibIbchmGMl

[vocal basin]

🚀

@dry jasper tiktok kind of revived that

but at least it's segregated in the corner of the internet I don't see

yeah

shove it all elsewhere

I don't use Reddit either

[still herald]

This

[vocal basin]

no TikTok, no Facebook, no Reddit

no Instagram

[still herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/t5_3948y/s/0qUzFQIl2s

[vocal basin]

Twitter only incidentally

I have it, like, only in case I need to open a link I found elsewhere

I think it's completely okay to not participate in trend-driven social networks

Discord doesn't really have a recommendation algorithm

part of why I still use it

Telegram's recommendation system is very limited too

but that's, like, a read-only platform for me as far as channels go

lmao

@dry jasper maybe that community is banned in our parts of the internets

[still herald]

Kidsarefuckingstupid

https://www.reddit.com/r/KidsAreFuckingStupid/s/XRrg2yggeK

[vocal basin]

Reddit being broken

RedditIsFuckingStupid

which one to try first
https://github.com/eclipse-che/che
https://github.com/eclipse-theia/theia

schadenfreude

it's in English too

borrowed from German

.wa s define schadenfreude

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

delight in another person's misfortune

[muted silo]

wassup mate whats going on

hello mate

[vocal basin]

picking what cloud dev platform to use

[muted silo]

omg

bruh

[vocal basin]

"cloud"

(deploying on-prem on my own servers)

[muted silo]

thats huge mate

[vocal basin]

I just want a single-click "open in IDE" for my stuff without storing locally

✅ I'm not voice-verified

[muted silo]

even i am not voice verified mate

why do we have this restriction on this damn server

[vocal basin]

voice trolls used to be a very serious problem

restrictions are gradually getting lifted

used to be 50 messages

[muted silo]

like those soundbox things

[vocal basin]

the main problem was that they could just join right after getting banned

which the verification system prevented

[muted silo]

still have to participate in 9min blocks

[muted silo]

oh

what else mate

[vocal basin]

should probably start with Che, since that's the more cloud-oriented one

I'm actually considering making my own system for that

and more directly integrating with Forgejo

[muted silo]

sounds like a huge job

good luck mate building it

[vocal basin]

likely not that complicated since I only need the orchestration
the IDE part itself would be handled by VSCode Server or something similar

[muted silo]

sounds too complex to me mate

[vocal basin]

the most difficult part is probably handling container provisioning

@still herald there's also conversion of kinetic energy into heat

[vocal basin]

and cleaning them up

I kind of also want to see my dev environments in the UI of Forgejo

[muted silo]

hmm

[vocal basin]

Forgejo presently has these

[ocean gazelle]

Can someone clarify my doubt about dev ops and system design are the same as how they differ

[vocal basin]

@still herald he was an advocate for allowing gun usage

[vocal basin]

dev ops is a discipline where the same person/team is responsible for development and operations

[stray pewter]

my project now has over 300+ imports ❤️

[vocal basin]

the how

separate packages or just imports?

[muted silo]

system design is concept used to build different kinds of applications

[stray pewter]

seperate packages

[vocal basin]

JS or Python? or something else?

[ocean gazelle]

Ok can anyone give resources for that please

[stray pewter]

python

[vocal basin]

very unusual

[stray pewter]

nah its just a project with hundrets of python files

[muted silo]

search on github dude you get everything

[vocal basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHsVsbo_VOE

[vocal basin]

by packages I mean pip installable stuff

[stray pewter]

yes

[ocean gazelle]

Will it take centuries to run ?

[stray pewter]

nah

I made it fast ish

well kinda

[vocal basin]

5 hour import time

[stray pewter]

start up takes around 5 minutes

but then its super fast

[vocal basin]

okay I was only off by 60x

[muted silo]

hey @ocean gazelle https://github.com/madd86/awesome-system-design here ya resources

[ocean gazelle]

Thank you so much 😊

[stray pewter]

to run the linter takes a few hundred years @vocal basin

[ocean gazelle]

Yeah to install?

[vocal basin]

@upbeat oasis no, they're not

[stray pewter]

to run

[vocal basin]

very widely known how ICE is inhumane in their methods

@upbeat oasis ... are you literally making stuff up now?

like, sorry, get educated first before talking

[stray pewter]

look at my cool logs

[vocal basin]

@upbeat oasis Koenigsberg border?

[ocean gazelle]

I completed my project of whatsapp clone yipee

[vocal basin]

... since mainland Russia doesn't border Poland

@upbeat oasis what makes you think you're not one of them

[ocean gazelle]

I used websockets for messages but for video calls should I use the same websockets or hybrid?

[vocal basin]

@upbeat oasis thanks for admitting your lack of geographical knowledge

=> stop pretending to know what you're talking about

yeah, we already see you don't even know what happens in the US

<@&831776746206265384> @upbeat oasis is using ableist slurs in the VC

[vocal basin]

this was a question for clarification

Koenigsberg is part of Russia presently

big Polish border crossing was from Belarus

@still herald I'm not getting offended

[muted silo]

but you are in community it could hurt someone bruh

[vocal basin]

which, yes, involved people trafficked via mainland Russia

saying how ICE is "treating people nicely" is so beyond adequate claims

so out-of-touch

I'm completely ready to call out someone's lack of education when they're crossing the line with their bullshit claims

if you come here to spread Trump talking points, then get the fuck out

[tepid edge]

@vocal basin peddle fyi

[vocal basin]

no idea

yes

I don't know that specific phrase

(which I'm ready to admit)

I have never seen it it writing somehow

[muted silo]

we are not voice verified yet mate so cant talk

that conversation was way off limits

haa lol

c itself is kinda rabbit hole

[vocal basin]

@tepid edge those two seem etymologically related

peddle and pedal, yes

[muted silo]

what is peddle

[vocal basin]

both come from from Latin

allegedly

[muted silo]

ah leave it googled it

what else mates

[vocal basin]

come from the same root

which these two do allegedly

[muted silo]

hmm true ig

is there anything else to talk about??

[vocal basin]

English emerald and Russian изумруд are related by that same measure

through somewhat complicated routes

[muted silo]

bruh you know cryillic as well

hey @tepid edge isnt polish cryllic

you told you are from poland right

😂 i thought you were since you told earlier

[vocal basin]

Polish, just like Belarusian, likely had two spelling systems

Latin Belarusian got banned

now Cyrillic Belarusian is on its way to getting banned

in, like, some relatively near future

[muted silo]

why

[vocal basin]

Russia's influence

[muted silo]

did people kinda stop using it

[muted silo]

aah

[vocal basin]

Belarus has been getting Russian language forced onto it

[muted silo]

since when is this happening

[vocal basin]

likely since way before 20th century

[muted silo]

i thought they were just allies and each of them mind their own businnes
never thought russia had this much influence

[vocal basin]

Union State is a thing

[candid spire]

What's going on?

[vocal basin]

some regions of Russia itself used to have Latin spelling

but that got banned

[vocal basin]

iirc Tatarstan

[muted silo]

oh

[candid spire]

I wish I could make my own microstate

[muted silo]

ntg for now mate

[candid spire]

I would make it paradise

[muted silo]

lol

go to australia they dont care about such things ig

[candid spire]

No income tax, fixed 20% corporate tax.
Citizenship on merit

[vocal basin]

bigfootcancodistan

[muted silo]

😂
which company would set their office in your country

[vocal basin]

no income tax even for the rich?

what about negative income tax

[candid spire]

No income tax at all for all

[vocal basin]

(one of the ways of implementing UBI)

[candid spire]

Tax on goods and service is more than enough

[muted silo]

you sound like trump for some reason

[vocal basin]

corporate tax being which?

[tepid edge]

citizenship on merit: I choose to imagine you telling a newborn infant: "sorry, it's nothing personal, it's just that you're not good enough for us, come back when you can code"

[muted silo]

take it causally mate @candid spire

[vocal basin]

VAT? sales tax? whatever left over after expenses tax?

[candid spire]

Every company because my country will issue 250K dollars as loan on no interest for first time entrepreneurs with excellent credit score

[tepid edge]

????

[vocal basin]

no interest
not even you believe they can succeed?

[tepid edge]

250k zimbabwe dollars

[candid spire]

No interest on loan

[muted silo]

vietnamese dong

[candid spire]

Nah in USD

Government issued

It is loan

[vocal basin]

probably get not issue

[tepid edge]

ok, where does your micronation get the money to loan to people

you're not collecting enough in taxes

your currency will inflate like crazy if you print your micronation money

[vocal basin]

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building-walking-the-street-gif-16400025

[tepid edge]

assuming anyone even wants to take it

[muted silo]

i have some work mate
i gtg i am leaving
lets catch later
bye

[candid spire]

If I have a nation, I have a national bank and tax revenues.

National Bank can issue loans to lenders and these loans are nothing but money from government pocket

[tepid edge]

yes, but you are loaning out usd

which you can't print

if you print your own currency which isn't backed by anything to cover it

it will inflate worse than a shitcoin

[vocal basin]

put your country on a block chain

[tepid edge]

in minecraft /s

[vocal basin]

scamcraftistan