voice-chat-text-0

[ashen rune]

DANG?

wait rq

@somber heath if i asked a coder like u to do it for me

do u think he'd charge me

money

nono

not course

for fun

dw

bro

js

IF

IF ***

im not saying i will do that

im saying if

i asked u a yes or no question

alr ty

[somber heath]

!pypi dataset

[wise cargo]

dataset v1.6.2

Toolkit for Python-based database access.

Released on <t:1689152052:D>.

[somber heath]

#data-science-and-ml
#databases
@vapid mountain

#❓｜how-to-get-help '

@fair jasper👋

[vapid mountain]

https://huggingface.co/datasets/Skylion007/openwebtext

[hasty stump]

https://huggingface.co/docs/datasets/quickstart

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/

[candid spire]

Hello Hemlock

It's been a while

[somber heath]

@sweet vault 👋

@weak garnet 👋

[pallid hazel]

that rabbit guy here anymore?

[primal shadow]

Sometimes he shows up

[wise loom]

how are you Christoph

[vocal basin]

when I saw CSP written I thought of something very different lol

(Communicating Sequential Processes)

[wind raptor]

There are a lot of maths needed for CS

discrete was my fav

linear algebra was fun too

[timid quartz]

@lilac hillhi

👋

[lilac hill]

Heyy budd

[timid quartz]

i still cant talk

[lilac hill]

my coding is more superious to yours

[timid quartz]

nah

[lilac hill]

I tried my magic tricks but they dont work right now

[timid quartz]

ima take a nao while i wait for my amazon package to come

[amber raptor]

End this timeline, was massive mistake

[wind raptor]

How's it going?

[timid quartz]

Not good

I can’t talk

[wind raptor]

You can text chat at least

[timid quartz]

Yea i guess

[scarlet halo]

(reminder I'm not in vc) what should I add?

There's clock, CPU, memory, disk usage, ssh connection, network status, processes running, uptime and last time I fed my snake

Or what should I change

[whole bear]

Can I talk about a thing which concerns me?

[wind raptor]

As long as it's appropriate

[whole bear]

Okay

It is about religion

If the religion itself is against the very core value of secularism, why does secularism let's that religion have a space in secular nation or society?

Ain't it like having parasite eating the healthy society from inside?

[lilac hill]

Freedom of religiom is one of the most important fundaments of democracy. Unless you want to adopt the securlar system of china or north korea

[wind raptor]

Because people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want without being persecuted or exiled for it.

[whole bear]

What if the same believe itself teaches them persecute the non believer

[wind raptor]

That's what laws are for

[pallid hazel]

anyone use or recommend temporal? wondering if its gonna be worth the refactor im doing

[wind raptor]

Hey! Long time no see

Never heard of Temporal

[whole bear]

but same law protect them to believe in the so called cult

so how will you defend?

[pallid hazel]

it looks good and solves some celery, rabbit issues ive been having

[lilac hill]

what country are you from and which exact religion are you referring to? There are thousande if not more out there

[wind raptor]

A cult and a religion too similar to differentiate. As long as neither are breaking any laws, then they should be left alone.

[whole bear]

You do know which religion I refer to

[lilac hill]

no

[pallid hazel]

basically using it for the stepped retries instead of doing tasks all ober from the beginning.. which previously i was trying to get either celery or rabbit and redis todo

[lilac hill]

please tell me

[wind raptor]

Please don't specify. This is already a touchy topic

[whole bear]

I can't but you do know

[wind raptor]

And one that should not really be deeply discussed if you are not on the side of freedom to choose religion

[lilac hill]

You should wheater whatever religion-phobia you have in relevant forums. Qoura is a good one where you can get expert opinion @whole bear

[pallid hazel]

you are free to take that convo to a discord that will deeply discuss it with you

[wind raptor]

We are a community where the members shouldn't feel judged about what religion they are part of

[whole bear]

Nah it is legit question, because I was the defending the right for very same faith but eventually I understood that this very same faith is against every core value of freedom and secularism

hence I decided to ask my doubt without implying the religion or faith

[lilac hill]

No thank you.

[pallid hazel]

and chris same, my freetime.. ive been here just in the help channels helping people, not much time these days to just shoot the shit

[whole bear]

I do understand

[wind raptor]

How is your big project functioning that you built way back when

Bean counting or something if I remember correctly

[pallid hazel]

got sheleved, seems like every ptoject they put me on has a predetermined fate.. as they all point out issues, issues cost money.. they bury the results and put me on a new project.. rinse and repeat

amd back to it, really want to see how temporal saves me time and i will start a new pipeline

[wind raptor]

Well, at least you stay busy doing something fun

[vocal basin]

difficult choice

[whole bear]

Indeed

Like discord suggest 4 option for 2 device

default

system microphone

communication headset (wireless)

name of wireless as choice

2 input but as 4 option

@wise loom Pardon me!
Could you explain again?

@craggy vale Can we have a look at it?

[craggy vale]

yeah

let me share it

[whole bear]

Proud

https://tenor.com/view/proud-of-you-gif-22843776

[craggy vale]

😅

[whole bear]

@wind raptor Could you give the fella screnshare perm, I would like to see how optimize it is in action

@craggy vale Dude why did you left?

[craggy vale]

my dicord just crash

[whole bear]

No problem

[whole bear]

Are you sure, browser is optimize?

[craggy vale]

yeah it's running on pi 0w 512mb of ram

[wise loom]

how do i do tests without mocks
-- fathrefactor

[whole bear]

good to know

[wise loom]

legitimately good question

anything related to testing is great

[whole bear]

It would be great if you can share your project in aciton using live stream

I'm genuinely curious to know how did you made it happen!

[craggy vale]

I can share app file

[craggy vale]

haha 👍

[whole bear]

You don't have to be a simple stream would be enough

[craggy vale]

yeah

okay

[wise loom]

@whole bear mocks are also much cheaper, the tests will also run much faster.
the real objects might be expensive and require more resources.

[whole bear]

oh great point

[vocal basin]

not always

as in that is true when done right

if your mocks are more resource intensive than real objects, probably don't mock

@whole bear Swift is allegedly a good language

kind of Apple Rust

except for some complicated stuff

Apple™ "C++ if C++ wasn't shit"™

[whole bear]

I do think apple could have made existence lang better instead of creating new lang for the ios

[vocal basin]

or made Swift cross-platform

Swift is Apple-only for similar reasons why M series is Apple-only

[whole bear]

Every major tech wrapper company like to have IP

[vocal basin]

Swift is another incentive to switch to Apple

[whole bear]

think about it, totest the ios app to full extent before code x one has to use ios device

xcode

[craggy vale]

@whole bear

@wind raptor

look at

@wise loom

[wise loom]

building light-weight web browser is really cool

[craggy vale]

😅

[whole bear]

Glad you made your own browser

[vocal basin]

RISC-V successfully booted for the first time

[whole bear]

Is it based on chromium?

[craggy vale]

I'm enjoin it on pi0

[vocal basin]

omg it has vi installed

[craggy vale]

nope it's a gtk

app

[vocal basin]

and no nano

[whole bear]

uh

[vocal basin]

GTK uses webkit iirc?

[craggy vale]

yeah

[vocal basin]

(the Apple one)

[craggy vale]

GTK with webkit2

[vocal basin]

there used to be a Node.js alternative before Node.js was made based on webkit

@whole bear

coroutines in which context?

[whole bear]

coroutines as in

kotlin coroitines

[vocal basin]

send/yield?

ah

[whole bear]

async

await

[vocal basin]

suspend/resume

[whole bear]

yeah

[vocal basin]

async def in Python are coroutines too

generators and coroutines are closely related

uh

[wise loom]

@craggy vale by my tests, https://thorium.rocks/ was one of the best chromium forks I've used, much faster than chromium itself.
even ran on an old x86 tablet from 2012 with 1GB memory which is a bit surprising.
but idk the full extent of the changes this fork made to chrome, it would be interesting to investigate.
other browsers that worked on this constrained environment were:

• https://librewolf.net/
• https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/
• https://brave.com/download/

[vocal basin]

goroutines are not coroutines afaik

green threads aren't coroutines

modern Java has green threads

[whole bear]

yeah

[craggy vale]

oh

[vocal basin]

Lua's and Ruby's coroutines are great

C++ is being C++ about coroutines

Kotlin's coroutines are kind of a hack that had to exist because at the time JVM wasn't good enough

[wise loom]

@robust lichen race conditions

[vocal basin]

transactions

[robust lichen]

machine 1 -> uploading blah

machine 2 -> uploading blah

[vocal basin]

@robust lichen how is your chromebook cluster doing, btw?

tf's a pocketbase

SQLite

it's SQLite

it's SQLite, SQLite has transactions

[robust lichen]

still in my room

[wise loom]

https://pocketbase.io/docs/go-database/#transaction

[wise loom]

apparently pocketbase has transactions

[vocal basin]

not yet repossessed

https://pocketbase.io/docs/go-database/#transaction

do note that SQLite has sporadic transaction failures

(if you do concurrency)

[wise loom]

is sqlite ACID-compliant?

[vocal basin]

this part is quite great

[vocal basin]

yes

ACID doesn't state anything about transactions needing to succeed

[wise loom]

cool, but then I wonder why it has sporadic tx failures

[wise loom]

oh..

[vocal basin]

if all your transactions fail to commit, all your transactions are ACID-compliant

MangoDB is ACID

[robust lichen]

i wish i could find a picture for you

but its all the way back in my camera roll

[vocal basin]

=> you can model your data around it

e.g. with something like event sourcing

@wise loom Duo S default image comes with 3.12 pre-installed

if I understand correctly, it's just whatever collection of pre-installed stuff not a proper distro

or rather

no package manager

list of available command fits on one screen*

* small font on 1440p

[wise loom]

so cheap, sooo nice

so small 🔬

and it looks like it has a USB-C, you can break-out into a lot of other ports from that

no cooler!

[vocal basin]

also has a type a

and an ethernet

[wise loom]

how do you put storage on it?

[vocal basin]

microSD

and/or eMMC

[wise loom]

have you tried pulling wearout info from the microSD ?

[vocal basin]

I have no idea where to buy eMMC

(I bought the microSD 2 hours ago)

[wise loom]

lifespan of microSD is important to know, i mean of any storage not just microSD

[vocal basin]

made by Samsung

i.e. the only storage brand I trust enough to use

[wise loom]

there's some microSD made for 24/7 camera storage, some of them have nice product sheets that specify how many writes one can do and general lifespan expectancy information

[vocal basin]

SanDisk, for example, is a company I don't trust at all

microSD card I used in a phone overheated and turned off every half an hour

[wise loom]

sandisk can be ok, it has some industrial microsd and flash storages.
there is a clear separation between consumer-grade and industrial-grade.
but sandisk can get expensive.

[vocal basin]

they can claim whatever multi-terabyte volumes; it doesn't matter much in practice

, since it doesn't work

[vocal basin]

yeah, probably just a very low bar for quality

"wide quality range"

[vocal basin]

(except for HDDs)

since afaik Samsung doesn't really make HDDs

at least now

for HDDs, Toshiba

have you seen the USB-to-SD thing I have?

the weird one

it has three separate USB interfaces

Type A, micro USB and Type C

(the USB 2 micro USB)

[wise loom]

show me

[wise loom]

see here for HDD/SSD consumer-grade reliability numbers.
maybe we can discuss the MTBF (mean time between failures) metric.

[vocal basin]

I should probably clean it

there's way too much dust where I am

it just accumulates everywhere

[vocal basin]

this is not normal connector behaviour

this is the only time I ever saw it

(for USB)

[wise loom]

aliexpress but you'd need special equipment to solder it onto the BGA. requires equipment.

[vocal basin]

we have soldering in the other apartment

including microscopes and whatever

magnifying glass

[wise loom]

eMMC can be checked with mmc-utils (if the vendor/model is supported) which is vendor-agnostic
and emmcparm but for micron-only.

for sd-cards you have sdmon.
for nvme you have sudo nvme smart-log
for HDD/SSD you have smartctl which you're familiar with.
for nand flash you have mtd-utils

[vocal basin]

there is some other useful CLI tool

[wise loom]

that's quite a well-equipped apartment. i wish i had that..

[vocal basin]

forgot the name

hdparm

okay I need to compile something for RISC-V to test

riscv64gc-unknown-linux-musl sounds right

aaaaaaa

it worke

d

I should probably get PoE thing for it

@wise loom I've just realised it already has eMMC pre-installed

aliexpress magic

[wise loom]

i expected that

[vocal basin]

that is such a common thing for German and Japanese to sound similar

maybe that's why Axis came to be?

Kangaro- o wait wrong country

yes that

the more red Hungary

🇦🇹🇭🇺

@heavy zenith there are some sound similarities

it's just a phonetic accident

there are also large overlaps between Russian and Japanese annunciation

(Japanese vowels and consonant, out of the context of words, sound more like German or Russian than, for example, English or French)

@wise loom the biggest donor was banned from donating

90% revenue cut iirc

[wise loom]

was it Google?

[vocal basin]

yes

"donor" very in quotes

non-profit doesn't mean non-commercial; moreso revenue limited to expenses

[wise loom]

@vocal basin they are billionaire-free they say

no sugar-daddy

[vocal basin]

wrong ping

[wise loom]

few browsers can pride themselves in having no sugar-daddy

[vocal basin]

@heavy zenith used to be

laws against Google search monopoly reinforced Google Chrome monopoly

"Arc was one of the worst things to happen to Chromium in recent years"

Arc's only differentiating feature was actually quite good for some people;
if it wasn't implemented so bad, I would consider using it

[wise loom]

yes but the US gov will force Google to sell off Chrome.
Perplexity AI made them an offer but daddy Google didn't want to sell of its golden child..

[vocal basin]

(the way it handled tabs and bookmarks)

[vocal basin]

if Perplexity buys Chrome, I will need to speedrun uninstallation

[wise loom]

$100B for Chrome? that's a good deal I'd say. And Perplexity clearly doesn't have the know-how, aptitude, expertise or manpower to continue Chrome development.
So if they were to buy it, they would create a void in the browser market, which then could be filled by say.. Ladybird?

[vocal basin]

"next day after Chrome sell-off: Google forks Ladybird"

actually what license is it

BSD-2

so not GPL

[wise loom]

Kling still hasn't released binaries for it

everyone is telling him "Andreas, please release binaries"

and every time he's like "no, you don't understand, it's still under development"

[vocal basin]

I'll do that and also order another Duo S

for now, 2-node cluster

[wise loom]

KuberneteS?

[vocal basin]

no, making my own stuff

or maybe k8s

but I doubt k8s would be happy with 512MB RAM

[wise loom]

k3s should work on it, if they have RISC binaries which they prolly do..

[wise loom]

right but k3s would fit

[vocal basin]

they don't, seems like

arm 32/64

[vocal basin]

more interested in library-level distribution rather than ready services

single application spanning multiple nodes

[vocal basin]

100MB binary

idk how much of that is showed into memory

hopefully not 100

(mmapped instead)

I'm trying to build something bigger than just hello world

ugh linking is so slow

okay it failed to build

[wise loom]

i mean you can build it in a RISC VM on proxmox outside the Milk Duo and then just transfer it and run it?

[vocal basin]

definitely not VM

no VMs

no QEMUs

I'm cross-compiling

I've endured way too many problems from VM compilation

[wise loom]

because perf penalty is very high on running RISC VM on x86 host?

[vocal basin]

less reliable somehow

but also yes

[wise loom]

ARM VM on x86 host was almost unusable for me..

[vocal basin]

we have around 10x slow down at work

the what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener_Schmäh

okay I built another project and the binary size seems reasonable

33M

"you spent the economy on better food"

nowadays I micro-commit every project

minimal self-consistent changes

from 0 errors 0 warnings 0 todos to 0 errors 0 warnings 0 todos

I always keep minimal context possible in my head

so I can swap between project/issues at any point

French Guiana is separated by ocean from France mainland

possibly both world wars influenced the Germany and Austria joinability

[vocal basin]

and it runs

@wise loom the image also has sqlite3 pre-installed but it doesn't work for some reason

agglutinative language

for some reason I instantly remembered "agglutinative" but thought there was some alternative name for it

synthetic or something

I don't remember

[wise loom]

and if you build it yourself?

[vocal basin]

no

I guess I could

okay the bundled SQLite seems to work fine

(statically compiled)

TDD

red green refactor

test-first approach

AWK was TDD'd

it's very problem-dependent

and language-dependent

in Python and similar languages tests are more valuable

because dynamic typing, yes

Python is strongly typed

"good deal" and SSDs are incompatible concepts, generally

[heavy zenith]

why

[wise loom]

@vocal basin what are the prices like for milkv-related things?
the board is cheap, does one need to get other things as well?

i mean common other things one needs

[vocal basin]

respectable vendors like Samsung wouldn't resold that much lower their regular price

does it still have a seal on the box?

yeah, these cases are rare

general "cheap SSD, big volume" stuff is scam

[wise loom]

you needed an adapter for it? like to power it

[vocal basin]

including all SSDs purchased second-hand or from places like aliexpress

[wise loom]

can you hook it up to a battery? how many hours on a single charge?

[vocal basin]

over USB-C

I'm getting a PoE thing for it

https://milkv.io/duo-s

I have a rpi4

I think

running microOS

[wise loom]

i've noticed raspberry are not exactly cheap, but the cases are expensive

[vocal basin]

rpis are reasonably priced imo

[wise loom]

@vocal basin they sell the duo s with a case?

would be so nice to have a case for it

[vocal basin]

they had a period of being slightly more pricey/premium, but now seem to be back to adequate

[wise loom]

also wattage power usage?

[vocal basin]

no

it comes with four holes that you can utilise for placement, presumably

the two can, theoretically, communicate with each other

[wise loom]

@vocal basin does it come with a TPU or do you intend to use one on the duo s ?

(i asked TPU because it's typically used in low-power video processing environments)

[vocal basin]

I have no idea about the TPU

[wise loom]

https://milkv.io/docs/duo/application-development/tpu/tpu-introduction

it can do video stuff, object detection etc

[vocal basin]

https://milkv.io/docs/duo/getting-started/rtoscore#inter-core-communication-example

https://milkv.io/assets/images/boot-ed818188569f787e8e6e1540b9167c41.webp

okay this is a more useful board than I expected

because of the RTOS core

(if you think I read before buying, you're probably slightly mistaken)

[wise loom]

@vocal basin how much for shipping?

where did it ship from?

i'm in Romania, I wonder how much I'd pay for shipping

[vocal basin]

$27.49 board itself
$3.82 shipping

[wise loom]

says $9.9 on the site

the board

[vocal basin]

$14.32 without Wi-Fi and eMMC

[wise loom]

can it boot off microsd or sd card?

[vocal basin]

so 45% aliexpress resellment tax

[vocal basin]

I'm currently running it from microSD

and I'm running a database software I made on it

[wise loom]

very nice, because the eMMC is much harder to replace than the microsd

[vocal basin]

eMMC is 8G allegedly

[wise loom]

why do you need wifi tho, you have ethernet on it..

[vocal basin]

there is no eMMC without Wi-Fi option

(where I'm buying)

[wise loom]

right

[wise loom]

which is aliexpress?

[vocal basin]

yes

the Russian version

which is separate from international

[wise loom]

is the search better on that version?

[vocal basin]

no

[wise loom]

cause international version search is horrible

[vocal basin]

aliexpress is generally unsearchable

[wise loom]

i'm sure in china it must be super-searchable with faceted search and stuff, but for foreigners they make everything "different"

[vocal basin]

in China, the government dictates what you want to search with results pre-made

[heavy zenith]

can you use a vpn in china

[vocal basin]

it seems to be a non-widely-prosecuted thing to do

government doesn't approve of that but they won't shoot you for it either

why does aliexpress have aecmd:// URLs on the site

non-functioning

[wise loom]

cause they have an app too either mobile or desktop that uses those URIs

[vocal basin]

I gave up on US news once the agent orange came to power

I just saw a random portable display that's 70% off

hmm

very enticing

however I already have one

I can, indeed, turn my laptop into a three-screen workstation

I should buy that one Asus laptop with two screens

so I have 4 total

one screen for the website, 3 screens for console.logs

[vocal basin]

this

it normally has the keyboard covering the lower screen

this one isn't 70% off

[wise loom]

you do js? didn't know

[vocal basin]

I'm trying to find what I have

(just a screen)

I use this when working with servers/SBCs

15.6''

meanwhile the thing on sale

[primal shadow]

See that new growing lenovo?

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkbook/thinkbook-plus/thinkbook-plus-gen-6-rollable-14-16-inch-intel/len101b0056?srsltid=AfmBOoq9vkVO0Cnpi8w4v92ELFELY7vFY6vJaNCWuxXm-woten9AjSKX

[primal shadow]

it grows

[vocal basin]

funny

[primal shadow]

you know how much code you can code on that?

[vocal basin]

I don't like the aesthetics of it

[primal shadow]

Hit the 360 view button on the site

and you can roll it open

[vocal basin]

like, in contrast, this is a thing that I might actually consider buying

[primal shadow]

who wants 2 screens when you can have a growing screen?

Psh

[vocal basin]

is it touchscreen?

[primal shadow]

look at that code

[vocal basin]

all screens react to touch if you try hard enough

[primal shadow]

SO MUCH CODE

[vocal basin]

if this doesn't fuck up the centre of mass, sounds okay

readable area

[vocal basin]

but I'm still not a fun of spending $3K on a laptop if I already have one and I really don't get anything from it

I've had enough of random purchases so far

with my biggest purchase

(pixel 8)

ah, yes,
the tail -f screen

have you tried turning it 87 degrees
just for a bit of chaos element

@heavy zenith (I'm quite sure he is not ragebaiting)

((from previous conversations))

I'm thinking of getting a projector

[candid spire]

👋

I'm sorry to interrupt

[vocal basin]

I must inject images constantly into my brain even I'm laying down

[candid spire]

I used to be, it's been 6 months

[vocal basin]

noway no ragebaiting in 6 months

[candid spire]

Paperclip delete the comment

[heavy zenith]

real

[candid spire]

Yes, I thought it was a waste of energy and time to do so.

It's better to have a real thing or nothing at all

[vocal basin]

(projecting onto ceiling)

[candid spire]

@heavy zenith Stop master b

[heavy zenith]

I would never

[vocal basin]

anyway that screen is still 70% off

[heavy zenith]

buy it buy it buy itz

be irresponsible with your money

[candid spire]

Believe me it's a waste of energy and time.

As a man, the more you do, you make it harder for yourself

[heavy zenith]

gng I'm talking about rage baiting

[candid spire]

Ah 😯

My dirty mind assumed something else

[vocal basin]

ohno aliexpress is recommending me to buy an SSD

[candid spire]

I can hear you

[heavy zenith]

buy it buy it buy it

[vocal basin]

the random mixing of aliexpress recommendations is always so funny

!d decimal

[wise cargo]

decimal

Source code: Lib/decimal.py

The decimal module provides support for fast correctly rounded decimal floating-point arithmetic. It offers several advantages over the float datatype:

[candid spire]

@heavy zenith You got bank account at 14?

[vocal basin]

banks use this or equivalent

28 is almost 14, only 1 bit off

[candid spire]

All this time I've been talking to a minor about very sensitive talking

[vocal basin]

okay, nevermind the screen situation, there are multiple models on sale

[heavy zenith]

buy all of them

[candid spire]

I'm impressed 💯

You got talont

[vocal basin]

screen, computer, capture card, network card, screen, skirt, computer, computer, camera, computer

[candid spire]

Damn, you understand the concept of ego!

[woeful blaze]

How is everyone?

[candid spire]

You sure are mature

I'm genuinely puzzled 🤔😨

[vocal basin]

the current pfp is closest ever to this being true

(not sorry for spoilers)

[candid spire]

I mean I've seen adults who are unaware about the deep concept of ego

They burn themselves and life

[vocal basin]

tbf I would totally expect Yuya, the character, to have made up her age as well as her status of a deity

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

(that)

how long's it been

[vocal basin]

7 years

[candid spire]

Vibe Coding is Good👍

[woeful blaze]

What did everyone have for some type of supper

[candid spire]

Good maybe 🤔

I can't complain about my life

It dedicates my joy and bliss

[woeful blaze]

Me either except my family asks too many questions

[candid spire]

Mashed potatoes?

[woeful blaze]

Clam chowder although there are potatoes in it it's double potatoey

[candid spire]

I'm good 😊😃

[vocal basin]

ugh how do I even get MongoDB

[woeful blaze]

I learned it from my pop

[vocal basin]

aaaaa

[candid spire]

Yuyaify is speaking to whom?

[vocal basin]

I can't run it on one of my servers

because of the CPU

[heavy zenith]

why do you want to use mongodb

[vocal basin]

to see if it runs at all

I think it can't RISC-V

because it overuses CPU specific instructions

[candid spire]

So they got dialect?

[vocal basin]

@slow ingot here

[candid spire]

Swiss are mostly german?

[vocal basin]

Swiss are mostly Swiss

[candid spire]

Ah so they choose not to pay royal tribute and form an independent republic

[vocal basin]

"Belarus effectively has 1 official language and it's not Belarusian"

[slow ingot]

ok so I'm trying to get this into a spreadsheet am I'm not 100% how to I'm trying to open it through openpyxl but I'm just kind of lost lol I'm new i can send you the code that i have right now

[vocal basin]

(it actually has 2, the native one is just being pushed out)

[vocal basin]

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[candid spire]

Learning language is not easy

[vocal basin]

also consider asking in #1035199133436354600 (provide the code via paste.pythondiscord.com within the help post)

[candid spire]

Chinese nationals are moving back to China?

[vocal basin]

not entirely voluntarily

[candid spire]

I mean there is a guy on python discord.

He is Canadian born Chinese, he chooses to study in China and settle in China

So reverse immigration?

Ugly linux?

Uh

I do use both

my pc is ugly

Both of them are fine

Vibe coder what do you vibe code?

[candid spire]

@lilac hill

I guess its called Erika

Nah it's about love

So just to let you know Voice Call is moderated, moderate do evas drop

[vocal basin]

"it's web scale"

buzzword

[candid spire]

Here comes mod

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/b2F-DItXtZs

yes

[vocal basin]

I have this saved in both "memes" and "tech talks" playlists

[candid spire]

No one could guess Yuyaify used to be a mod.

[vocal basin]

> Austrian speaking about whiteness
wait we've seen this before

[candid spire]

Ethnicity and race are different

[vocal basin]

I don't identify as having any nationality

[vocal basin]

oui oui baguette

🇩🇪 das baguette 🇩🇪

baguetissimo

[candid spire]

It works as long as you have not met a narcissist

Because once you mess with a narcissist, he will chase you to revenge

I've experienced it.

[vocal basin]

certain things that are characteristic of narcissists are often just normal things for kids

so you can't judge by same metrics

[candid spire]

They are good at soft skill

Highly pervasive

[wind raptor]

I think you may mean persuasive

[candid spire]

Both

[vocal basin]

I deliberately choose to ensure I don't go down the narcissism route despite tendencies
(@lost tapir helps me a lot with that)

@tight bane what's the actual question?

I've worked with DDD

Martin Fowler is a great source for DDD stuff

(if domain-driven, not data-driven)

[tight bane]

do I need to use it beacuase I have found that it usedul for larger project

in which case could help me

[vocal basin]

I highly recommend trying it and learning certain techniques from it;
but it's not universal

[vocal basin]

the most important idea
https://martinfowler.com/bliki/BoundedContext.html
and important patterns
https://martinfowler.com/bliki/DDD_Aggregate.html
https://martinfowler.com/eaaDev/EventSourcing.html+https://martinfowler.com/bliki/CQRS.html

[candid spire]

Silence speaks volume

[vocal basin]

I believe trying Event Sourcing is very worthwhile even if you don't adopt its practices fully

the project that helped me a lot with modelling problems with it
https://docs.rs/cqrs-es

[tight bane]

so it will help me in my future design and enforce my skills in OOP

[vocal basin]

DDD is well integrated with Java-style object-orientation,
but it's not exclusive to OOP

[candid spire]

TCP?

[heavy zenith]

dhcp4

[vocal basin]

(IP allocation)

((leasing))

[candid spire]

https://share.google/p4nMxxhbxk7hGzTgP

[vocal basin]

I still need to learn networking properly form Ethernet to all the higher-level stuff

including TIPC

[candid spire]

Hehe

[vocal basin]

vibe DoS

[candid spire]

Vibe networker

[vocal basin]

denial of vibe

[candid spire]

Dov

[vocal basin]

"ew+cute"

[candid spire]

Worm

[vocal basin]

I'm okay-ish with these types of caterpillars, except the ones which just destroy the ecosystems

in the South we have whole forests and endangered species of plants ruined by them

[primal shadow]

Monarchs

[candid spire]

Vibe life

[primal shadow]

early and late stage

[vocal basin]

speaking of vibe coding,
I'm afraid I might have to push for ChatGPT ban for certain people at work soon

[primal shadow]

both photos taken when I stepped away earlier

[vocal basin]

we'll probably have to adopt the same policy Rabbit's workplace has:
only senior+ are allowed

[candid spire]

Dude got aura

[vocal basin]

everyone else is viewed as learning => shouldn't

vibe_import statistics

@wind raptor new idea for import-python implementation:
make AI implement functions on the spot

[candid spire]

Unexpected

[vocal basin]

@heavy zenith "too real"

pay to pay

[candid spire]

Get paid to study

Study to get paid

Cycle of life

[heavy zenith]

.

[candid spire]

Germans are too specific about little things

I think human nature prefers to group itself

So racism is the result of the very same human instinct

Because one does feel much less insecure if the person in group share similar color, heritage or culture or height or weight

[nova pilot]

what

i cant speak

[lilac hill]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[vocal basin]

possibly adjacent to the graphics random walks stuffs:
I'm considering using Hilbert curves for some practical things

@patent chasm TOML templates, handlebars-ish?

(handlebars is the text-only format, without support for structured data)

for systemd unit templates I used handlebars

but I presume that's suboptimal for proper data format

I do some TOML manipulation in my projects but it's in Rust not Python

ourple

[whole bear]

what's going on in?

[vocal basin]

you know the situation is terrible when first results are forums

[wind raptor]

indeed

[vocal basin]

Passwords are hashed using the SHA-256 hashing algorithm
ugh

that doesn't sound optimal

but okay

[patent chasm]

ok ill look into that @vocal basin thx for the input

[vocal basin]

it's fine assuming no ever access to the hashes

[patent chasm]

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Automated_Installation the refrence documentation,
and some example of the tomal file

[global]
keyboard = "de"
country = "at"
fqdn = "pveauto.testinstall"
mailto = "[e-mail]"
timezone = "Europe/Vienna"
root-password = "12345678"
root-ssh-keys = [
    "ssh-ed25519 AAAA..."
]```

[vocal basin]

at least it's ed25519

[patent chasm]

yeah it varies, but its kinda smart and really dumb in the way smart can be dumb

[vocal basin]

ssh-rsa is nearing its death seems like

and SSH are already rolling out quantum-resistant algorithms

[patent chasm]

you basicaly need to create a dns/dhcp and http server all in one file. and serve the request from the installer. which is a POST not a GET

[vocal basin]

(probably lattice-based)

[vocal basin]

you need to add routes to a file that doesn't have routes, right?

@upbeat oasis CGI?

common gateway interface

[patent chasm]

class AnswerHandler(BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
    def do_POST(self):
        logging.info("Received request from peer '%s'", self.client_address[0])
        try:
            # normalize the path (strip query and trailing slash) and accept
            # either /answer or /get_answer for compatibility with the client
            path = urlparse(self.path).path.rstrip('/')
            if path not in ("/answer", "/get_answer"):
                self.send_response(404)
                self.send_header("Content-Type", "text/plain; charset=utf-8")
                self.end_headers()
                self.wfile.write(b"not found")
                return```

[vocal basin]

bash can serve HTTP over CGI

probably don't

not bash itself

*

*nginx/httpd serve HTTP outputted by Bash

[patent chasm]

i got a working webserver ect, but my general question is how about you baiscaly create refence files ect 😉

[vocal basin]

I can't words

[vocal basin]

remove space after python

if path not in ("/answer", "/get_answer") is so surreal for me to see nowadays

I'm so used to automatic routing

@upbeat oasis Bash also has unusual variables

(both in types and in scopes)

bash is sometimes nice to use

visually

@upbeat oasis if your computer burns, you've caught the error

@upbeat oasis gdb

[paper wolf]

uhhh guys we have this school work where we asked to coppy the webpage our teacher shown but thers some part of the web where the element should be placed in offset like

main                offset_this

but i have no idea how

[vocal basin]

@upbeat oasis that's what OS developers are dealing with

"here, binary, doesn't work, please fix"

[paper wolf]

out teacher just spam space characters....

[vocal basin]

debugging hardware absolutely does happen too

firmware bugs are everywhere

@upbeat oasis AMD has a thing that you put between the CPU and the socket which debugs the data going through it

[wind raptor]

https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/gs-feature.jpg?fit=1629%2C1019

[vocal basin]

import
tab
tab
pause
tab
tab

Zig is multiple C compilers in one

@somber heath you mean C++?

though it's sadly not yet dead

just that no one knows it

C++2

Zig did a lot of work on deduplicating standard libraries

is Pascal (classic, not OO) dead?

(apart from me knowing the answer to be yes)

most compilers don't

most compilers nowadays deal with some sort of IR

be it interpreted/JITted bytecode or LLVM stuff

AI chats are already self-replicating

using humans

@patent chasm ran by Vedal

(Vedal is the author, Neurosama is the AI)

[patent chasm]

ty 🙂

[whole bear]

I know about Java

[vocal basin]

#specifically-non-java-channel

probably (int) true

you shouldn't be able to bitwise logic on bools in Java/C#

@shrewd warren have you tried just using a cast on a boolean value?

hmm

[patent chasm]

int sign = (int) Math.signum(number)

[vocal basin]

ig then just stuck with flag ? 1 : 0, yes

[shrewd warren]

int sign = is_adding ? 1 : 0;

[obsidian root]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-wacky-silly-spongebob-gif-12723434437439688136

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hello-hi-cute-gif-13905880940590312511

[patent chasm]

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/java/java-testing'

[obsidian root]

I am have meme all my actions

there is a java pack (or whatever its called) from redhat

[patent chasm]

i dont really use the redhat crap anymore

i tend to use the openjdk daily build from Microsoft

[obsidian root]

eh, I meant the vscode group of plugins that are by redhat

[patent chasm]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/java/openjdk/download

[obsidian root]

how about temurin?

[patent chasm]

no idea hoenstly

never heard of it

[obsidian root]

or corretto

temurin is from eclipse

corretto is amazon

[patent chasm]

second verse same as the first

[obsidian root]

How give Big Blue a try

and deploy on some real iron

[patent chasm]

thankfully i spend more time i proxmox than java now

[obsidian root]

No mainframe for you?

IBM has a shiny new processor

[patent chasm]

no but i ever have to do ML on a mainframe ill have to break out the java again

[obsidian root]

same as the previous generation roughly, but now with AI!

Porbably everything

They are investing in single core performance

IBM Spyre Accelerato

bleep IBM

There target is probably fraud detection in finance applications running on their mainframes

IM thinking its just a general purpose accelerator like a H200 etc.

Im leaning towards that since they aren't advertising any algorithm

They used this to benchmark their processor in their marketing LSTM based synthetic Credit Card Fraud Detection model

You mean the very first nuclear meltdown?

[obsidian root]

no one would walk in with a sensor and detect radiation?

[vocal basin]

bold of you to assume they had any idea what's happening

[patent chasm]

it took them 25 years before someone did that yes

and yes it was a phyiscs student who one day in a drunken moment went "oh yeah my lab is the room next door"

[vocal basin]

at Three Mile Island, for example, the issue was 1) too many sensors 2) faulty sensors

[obsidian root]

probably average for the uk

lol

[vocal basin]

@somber heath heard of that recently

some mine had not enough enriched uranium in it

@somber heath what if aliens are trying to communicate to us with nukes

[obsidian root]

Ok, there is a contact wall that I am unwilling to go through. SO, no idea the power of ibm mainframe ai

they can probably hear us way before they find the satelite

[vocal basin]

and Andrew Warhol definitely his initials on moon

speaking of stuff we sent out there

[obsidian root]

colonization oppurtunities

The british empire has many suns

[vocal basin]

@somber heath MEGA: Make Earth Great Again

[obsidian root]

It would honestly be a bad idea. Better to teraform a planet and not have to deal with all the diseases that might come from colonizing a planet with existing life

[vocal basin]

there will definitely also be extreme isolationists

[obsidian root]

Honestly, it would be funny if we land on another planet and find humans

[vocal basin]

given how prions exists, it's quite concerning how weird diseases might spread

NUKE IT

[obsidian root]

I mean, choose a planet in the habitable zone, but does not have life currently. Then teraform it. No nead to destroy existing life

[vocal basin]

solution: nuke the Earth too

[obsidian root]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-jake-sully-yovo-fruit-eating-food-gif-27051342

^ this lokos a bit fake. but don't know if its from the movie

[patent chasm]

it is

[obsidian root]

ridley scott I think

aliens is james cameron

alien is ridley scott

they all die in the end anyway

[lilac hill]

I reported this user for spreading hate speech and Islamophobia earlier. How is someone doing something illegal not banned from the server?

[vocal basin]

if you want to report, then @rapid crown

@somber heath they're not in the VC

[obsidian root]

Hes not here

hes not in the call

so whats the best ai chip? B200 or B300?

[vocal basin]

it would be useful for an option to disallow a user from DMing/friend requesting people
similar to how the timeout does it

[patent chasm]

by default discord blocks anyone not from your server

[obsidian root]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-legend-legend-eating-mic-too-cool-for-school-gif-20648714

[patent chasm]

only reason he got the message is cause hes got a mutal server

[somber heath]

@honest forge 👋

[honest forge]

Hey

I don’t think I can talk

I’m trying

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[vocal basin]

I have so many different tags on a single that a scrollbar appears in the commit graph

[obsidian root]

it takes a while to get voice permissions

is that a real thing?

new UK law?

[lilac hill]

So much for tolerance and inclusivity …

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm one of satire youtubers made a tierlist of that and similar words

(specifically for robots)

[obsidian root]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-divers-helldivers-helldivers-2-democracy-gif-7174410280813818878

https://tenor.com/view/democracy-helldivers-intensifies-freedom-helldivers-2-gif-1202998951342753696

https://tenor.com/view/my-part-im-doing-my-part-army-soldier-gif-4718826

you can play on pc

[somber heath]

You haven't even told us what they're supposed to have said. Though maybe don't. But what do you expect us to do? Assuming we take what you've told us at face value?

[obsidian root]

When will the last game engines get abandon and all we have left is unity, unreal, and monogame?

[vocal basin]

godot

is monogame still alive?

[patent chasm]

sooner or later blender or gimp will be made a game engine

[wind raptor]

We don't discuss other user's infractions if things are dealt with through mod mail. Also, it's a slow process for everyone to weigh in on the matter because we like a few people's opinions and we are not paid or synchronous most of the time.

[proud tangle]

When unity stops shooting itself in the foot with pricing and tos changes tbh

[obsidian root]

blender was a game engine

they removed the code for it to be a game engine a while back iirc

[vocal basin]

hi bast

[obsidian root]

there is a branch that is semisupported still with the parts still in

[proud tangle]

The brainrot has me, unfortunately

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[obsidian root]

how did they pull that off

isn't halo a microsoft ip

[vocal basin]

and so is xbox

[somber heath]

@sweet spindle 👋

[patent chasm]

they releaed it on xbox, and got asked what IP/colab do you want

by MS as it was gonna sell buckets

and it did

[sweet spindle]

👋

[proud tangle]

wasn't hd2 one of sony's first cross platform to pc too?

[patent chasm]

yeah cause everyone bascialy blackmailed sony over it

[obsidian root]

dont know. but I believe hd2 is a sony ip

[patent chasm]

after it sold like 20million copies or whatever

[obsidian root]

it seems weird. Like the US and USSR being on the same side

[patent chasm]

nah its got a sony exclusitivty deal

its owned by arrowhead

[obsidian root]

ah, I thought it was sony studio

[vocal basin]

class action refund

[obsidian root]

hell divers 2 was going to require a psn account for the pc users. But steam didn't limit the countries who could buy and play it to countries with psn. Therefore, when they would do the migration (it wasn't required at release), the people in countries without psn support couldnt play it

someone started a microwave

the ocean monster is using a sea line as floss

[vocal basin]

that one time where Armenian internet got DoS'd by a shovel

Brit'ernet

[lilac hill]

Well I guess I understand what is tolerated and not tolerated here. Thank you.

[obsidian root]

who won?

man, cloud flare is a heavy weight

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm log of recent people who accessed

200 or 600

I don't remember

it sends that

or something very similar

very arbitrary very wrong command

subject to UDP IP spoofing

[patent chasm]

https://www.infosecinstitute.com/resources/general-security/network-time-protocol-ntp-threats-countermeasures 🙂

[obsidian root]

udp multicast?

[vocal basin]

600

I remember right

the use of MONLIST command is to give details of the last 600 clients that have connected to the NTP time service

[vocal basin]

just
why

[obsidian root]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorcerer's_Apprentice_syndrome

weird flex

[vocal basin]

@patent chasm if we did that with a chess board and transistors instead of grains of rice, that'd be doable

iirc we're at something like 2**72 at least?

[obsidian root]

lmao

people are bored

[vocal basin]

speaking of scientific papers
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.00073

(different one)

[obsidian root]

iirc, xkcd what if referenced a lot of strange papers

I think there is a chance that paper is referenced in one of the answers

[patent chasm]

DOI:10.13140/RG.2.2.30181.50404/1

[vocal basin]

.xkcd 605

[viscid lagoon]

XKCD comic #605

By the third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside you.

2009/7/3 - #605, 'Extrapolating'

[obsidian root]

Did they have to a defense on this thesis?]

[obsidian root]

or was it just a paper they had to write and it was reviewed

Are_Anime_Titties_Aerodynamic.pdf

[patent chasm]

yeah they had to have a viva and everything

and the conclusion is "flat is justice but big boobs are aerodynamic"

[obsidian root]

I still think the person was probably bored

[obsidian root]

do you really think this was two years?

or was this dude doing lots of research for internships and other research, and they required him to do a thesis and he thought he was going to be funny

Im now wondering if I can post pictures from this paper in this chat because it could be seen as nsfw

lmao

[vocal basin]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-bloated-flamingo-alligator-balls-gif-3535514

orbital period of a cow

[obsidian root]

this is the first comment in a reddit post for this paper

Damn girl, the geometric presence of your breasts really imparts salient flow features that reduce your overall aerodynamics in a potentially anthropologically relevant way that I find intriguing.

[vocal basin]

I've only taken MSU Maths entry exams

not Physics

[obsidian root]

third comment root level

If we assume spherical cow, the effect of breasts is negligible

Research Gate says this is the only paper he published... I stand corrected. This is really funny

@cerulean minnow go write a funny research paper

[calm ginkgo]

https://proceedings.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/2018/file/8562ae5e286544710b2e7ebe9858833b-Paper.pdf

[cerulean minnow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QOS2XoF3depfclsM_xD71G33SwN29b6pK9AOQQ6HP-8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[patent chasm]

ok as per vc, i asked tiny lamma to change the style of the bible to that of william shakespear, i think it did it
“It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.”

[paper wolf]

Tylko jedno w głowie mam
Koksu pięć gram, odlecieć sam

[paper wolf]

help

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm By "collage entry course", are you referring to A levels?

Cause Im year 9 about to go to year 10 and im getting stressed

I am quite scared

I need good GCSEs to get into a get 6th form

and get A* A* A in A levels

Yeah, I know. Thanks tho

@patent chasm

Good thing im gay and not a murderer

also im 14

[stray pewter]

but I need A* A* A in A levels to get into a good school like oxford

or cambrige

[candid spire]

I'll be honest

College doesn't make sense

If you have skill

and happen to be in a First world country

There is little to no ROI

[stray pewter]

My plan for live is higher education and to climb the investment ladder and get a 6 figure job. I have been coding for 5 years and im 14, at 20 I would have 11 years of coding experience

[candid spire]

Some professions do require licence, this licence has minimum criteria as bachelor or specialization

Like Doctor, lawyer

But other than that it doesn't matter

[candid spire]

Instead of doing that, why don't you start a small business

Being serial entrepreneur

[stray pewter]

I already actively am

[candid spire]

Is much better

[candid spire]

Good keep grinding

Eventually you will hit the jackpot

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm What is your thought

[candid spire]

Colleges make sense for third world countries

Because they have poor facilities and college at least assure, the application can read and write and has proper manner

But those people are grinding from very early age

I'm certain

[candid spire]

@patent chasm

It's average pay

[patent chasm]

cwjobs.co.uk

[stray pewter]

May I ask, you are giving a lot of very strongly worded educational and financial advice. What education/degrees do you have and how much do you make monthly, if I may ask

[candid spire]

To whom?

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm

[candid spire]

I make negative 700000

[stray pewter]

Very cool

[candid spire]

This is very same reason

Why should one focus on enterpreneurship

Because once you are old you have to look after yourself

Life is miserable

Half of the income in tax you get a penny in return

[civic abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8udhb7m398

[candid spire]

Businesses pay take little tax and they get more from government

[patent chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ztbnV5VE6mM

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm This reminds me so much of little britain

[cerulean ridge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(Australian_TV_series)

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm Do you know Little Britain

https://tenor.com/view/little-britain-raymccooney-yes-erv-gif-720782302938143098

I am the only one 12-16 in my school who knowns about little briatin which is crazy to me @patent chasm

[candid spire]

AI is a big slap to the face of white collar worker

Now genz in the US are choosing blue collar work over white collar

Don't you think the government should hire workers on contract @patent chasm ?

[somber heath]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_MacMasters_hoax

[stray pewter]

@patent chasm @somber heath I am having to Request for Permission to Use Image on a Non-Commercial Website just to use one image for a background for one page, because now im working on a professional level and I need a 4 page document to prove I can use a fucking lofi background I like

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/cc-gif-12825662841762387753

[civic abyss]

https://boutique.arte.tv/detail/fast-fashion-les-dessous-de-la-mode-a-bas-prix

It's the documentary about PrettyLittleThing and Boohoo made by people for 3 £ an hour

[stray pewter]

I speak swedish at a c1 level and its really quite similar to german and im german

[patent chasm]

https://www.oliverwyman.com/our-expertise/insights/2019/dec/artificial-intelligence-applications-in-financial-services.html

[stray pewter]

@civic abyss no I am still here

[patent chasm]

https://www.coursera.org/google-certificates/data-analytics-certificate?

[candid spire]

So am I

[stray pewter]

how much does it cost?

[patent chasm]

free apprently