#voice-chat-text-0
obsidian root
keen tendon
ohhh
obsidian root
Wouldnt they just need to subpeona the parent?
Im wondering if it would holed up under criminal law
because in some ways they are the same entity
obsidian root
So, Whats the newest features in python?
obsidian root
Wasn't the newest child protection act in the UK would force backdoors?
obsidian root
There is a beleif that the law also applies to everyone around the world
obsidian root
Can a sovereign parliament transfer their sovereignty to an individual? because they have the 'right', but at the same time if sovereignty originates from the parliament, does that mean they don't have the ability to transfer sovereignty?
lords have no power
I could have sworn that house of commons could by pass the house of lords.
Is there an emergency power's law? Thats the sterotypical way to quickly create an autocracy
Thats one way to mess up the government
You gotta have some good lines
rapid chasm
!e
players = {"player1": "silver", "player2": "gold", "player3": "bronze"}
gold_players = [player for player, elo in players.items() if elo == "gold"]
print("Gold Players:", gold_players)
wise cargoBOT
!e
```e
players = {"player1": "silver", "player2": "gold", "player3": "bronze"}
...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Gold Players: ['player2']
so....
I always thought of quality as being synomonous to property
Got a favorite shakespeare play?
lol
Romeo and Juliet right?
Haven't really read shakespeare much. Jus treading the merchant of venice again then gonna try to work my away across the plays
Maybe Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow...
I really hate it
Sounds great
Can't understand when he is going on and on and on
I just read act 1
BASSANIO
In my school-days, when I had lost one shaft,
I shot his fellow of the self-same flight
The self-same way with more advised watch,
To find the other forth, and by adventuring both
I oft found both: I urge this childhood proof,
Because what follows is pure innocence.
I owe you much, and, like a wilful youth,
That which I owe is lost; but if you please
To shoot another arrow that self way
Which you did shoot the first, I do not doubt,
As I will watch the aim, or to find both
Or bring your latter hazard back again
And thankfully rest debtor for the first.
^ that is gonna take a couple more reads to understand
Hes asking for money from antonio. I just can't really understand it all
Im pretty sure he is saying antonio secured a line of credit for him. and he went and wasted it (hes broke). and now he needs more. And he's asking without any sin with it
or something like that
I dunno. The more I read it the more I understand it, but its gonna take a lot of reads. and then I will be talking and thinking in shakespeare, which will be fun (not really)
thanks for taking a crack at it
thats fun
nice
gonna head off. it was a fun chat. good luck
somber heath
@modest jolt 👋
modest jolt
hello
somber heath
@jaunty dew 👋
modest jolt
It has not been 3 weeks since I joined, so I am not voice verified yet, but I am here because of beginner tips for going into the field of AI/ML. Currently I am learning Python and machine learning, but what would you suggest if you were in my shoes right now?
jaunty dew
@somber heath 👋
modest jolt
oh mb
quartz beacon
It has not been 3 weeks since I joined, so I am not voice verified yet, but I am...
Also personally i used Sololearn but
That's up to you
jaunty dew
It has not been 3 weeks since I joined, so I am not voice verified yet, but I am...
Me aswell starting with Oracle Race 2025
jaunty dew
free AI courses provided by ORACLE
jaunty dew
sry idk a lot
No its ok. My bad i should wrote it properly 😅
Oracle Race to Certification 2025
somber heath
@timber yarrow 👋
quartz beacon
what is Oracle race ?
Oracle is the company that made Java
somber heath
@quick osprey 👋
quick osprey
<@1401477056893812868> 👋
hi
candid spire
@timid quartz summon
candid spire
Did you get muted?
candid spire
Really?
timid quartz
Yup
candid spire
Harsh punishment
timid quartz
Yea
It’s wtv
Apparently i hurt someone’s feelings or something
Cuz me and emotional were joking
candid spire
Appeal them
candid spire
But it won't be fair for you!
timid quartz
Got 1 warning then i said a f slur and got muted forever
timid quartz
But it won't be fair for you!
They don’t care bru
candid spire
They don’t care bru
Damn
timid quartz
I sent u a dm
candid spire
Okay
@primal shadow You got kids?
Lol
Dude in this day and age why would someone would like to have a kid?
primal shadow
candid spire
You got good internet 🛜
primal shadow
That's why I have kids
Get married, buy a house, put up a nice fence, get good internet, set up firewall, have kids
the american dream
candid spire
If it works for you, sure!
I was surprised to know you got a kid, because you sound energetic and young
tawny vault
Hello guys
I'm Learning python to make Demoscene. Does somebody know what to start with when you're making on demoscene projects?
wise loom
I’m still a beginner in this whole process.. I do coding with my phone
-- stranger in this server who is DM-ing me
how the F do ppl write code on a phone 📱 ?
whole bear
how the F do ppl write code on a phone 📱 ?
some do
especially those who don't have PC or laptop
My first coding experience was in Phone
@lilac hill How good of teacher is GPT?
lilac hill
<@1159220320222334997> How good of teacher is GPT?
pretty good actually
whole bear
pretty good actually
Really?
whole bear
I do use GPT as teacher as well
but not in same way
I fetch data to GPT and let GPT explain me
maybe 2
lilac hill
!voice
wise cargoBOT
wise loom
My first coding experience was in Phone
how bro, teach me
oblique aspen
i havent neither lol
whole bear
how bro, teach me
Use of browser or app to simulate the compiler or IDE
I think it is frustating to use Phone
for coding or learning
but phone is all I got back then
@wise loom Firefox on Phone is best, very few browser on phone support extension
oblique aspen
@wise loom what app was that?
wise loom
<@264657660190654464> what app was that?
amdgpu_top
I was highlighting that Discord doesn't use VENC, specifically AMD VCN for decoding on stream playback. Apparently it has it Disabled for WebRTC streams but enabled for webcam streams.
This leads to CPU taking over all decoding which is bad because the GPU was made for that.
whole bear
I was highlighting that Discord doesn't use VENC, specifically [AMD VCN](https:/...
I guess this issue is specific to Linux only?
wise loom
I guess this issue is specific to Linux only?
needs to be checked on Windows, I haven't checked.
whole bear
needs to be checked on Windows, I haven't checked.
In windows it doesn't
I mean I've not experienced such a spike in CPU
digital wedge
wise loom
So I ran Chrome like this to enable Hardware Decoding and Vulkan
google-chrome --enable-features=AcceleratedVideoDecodeLinuxZeroCopyGL,AcceleratedVideoDecodeLinuxGL,VaapiIgnoreDriverChecks,Vulkan
Then I opened Discord in the browser.
lilac hill
whole bear
who got banned?
whole bear
How come you are in server?
timid quartz
whole bear
How many days?
timid quartz
forever
timid quartz
!!
whole bear
Do you know exact reason for permanent mute?
timid quartz
got 1 warning
timid quartz
Do you know exact reason for permanent mute?
ask emotional he can explain it
whole bear
@lilac hill Explain
timid quartz
im 15
whole bear
so use of slur was reason
timid quartz
@lilac hillwhen i saw chris in voice chat i joined and i tried to tell him that i accidently said something bad but he would not answer then i js got kicked
lilac hill
<@1159220320222334997>when i saw chris in voice chat i joined and i tried to tel...
well he has a protocoll to follow so hopefully with some good deeds and community help they might consider to give you another chance
whole bear
<@1159220320222334997>when i saw chris in voice chat i joined and i tried to tel...
Because you are not supposed to appeal in general voice call or chat
timid quartz
Because you are not supposed to appeal in general voice call or chat
i didnt
i was js simply trying to tell him i said something a while ago
whole bear
I do understand but you got no other option but to use another account which will result in ban
whole bear
i was js simply trying to tell him i said something a while ago
Gotcha
I've made a server, would you like to join?
timid quartz
me?
hearty raven
yup i can join the server
timid quartz
hmmmm
vocal basin
I do understand but you got no other option but to use another account which wil...
afaik usually not a ban, just a mute on the alt as well
!source alt
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
having alt accounts for legitimate reasons, even with prior infractions, is acknowledged by the moderation process
whole bear
How do mod identify alt account?
vocal basin
example 1:
"hi, this is kb, just on an alt account"
example 2:
kb speaks, everyone instantly recognises the voice and the manner of speech
if you think people are careful with these things, the general answer seems to be no
bypassing a voice infraction this way is very infeasible by all means
whole bear
Hmm
Trading require money
You can be millionaire
just start with billion
you will end up being millionaire
timid quartz
why is bro using me as an example
sharp summit
you will end up being millionaire
Cinema
lilac hill
it's not for everyone. over 90% fail. So don't trade and focus getting a job. That should be great enough challenge for most of ya'll
whole bear
it's not for everyone. over 90% fail. So don't trade and focus getting a job. Th...
Think about it
Investment is good as long as you know what you doing
some investment has high return
on low risk
like Gold
lilac hill
no dude, you think about it. I have more than 10 years experience from finance and been trading (my main bread and butter) for 5 years. I dont need career advice from you
I dont even know who you are and what you do, and dont need your financial advice. thank you very much
let people do whatever they want, and focus on yourselves
whole bear
I was implying to me
You gave me advice to not participate in it
so I responded with my understanding
to your response
I'm not suggesting you to do this or that
It is my opinion
lilac hill
you commented om my earlier discussion with guys where we talking about me scripts in ninjatrader
and a little passive aggressive advice
this discussion is waste of time tbh. focus on yourself.
whole bear
you commented om my earlier discussion with guys where we talking about me scrip...
It is joke
Not advice
I'm not expert but I do know, those who do Option Trading are gambling
lilac hill
and who are you exactly? whats your background and years of experience?
and why do you argu and make passive aggresive remarks towards someone who actually is an expert lol
waste of time
whole bear
and why do you argu and make passive aggresive remarks towards someone who actua...
Its not remark to expert
as I told you earlier
it is my opinion
lilac hill
thank you for uneducated opinion, can you leave me alone now. thank you
vocal basin
It is joke
that user does have a problem understanding jokes
lilac hill
here we go
whole bear
that user does have a problem understanding jokes
Lets not talk about it
he prefer not to have discussion
so let it be
lilac hill
that user does have a problem understanding jokes
you too, leave me alone. Do not talk a about my having problems. Focus on your own problems. Thank you.
vocal basin
if you stop lashing out at people for making jokes, maybe
lilac hill
if you stop lashing out at people for making jokes, maybe
Listen, please leave me alone. Dont interact with me, dont talk to me and please dont talk about me having problems. This is weird ok? just stop it.
wise loom
vocal basin
@lavish gazelle good choice
> Blood (Light/Realistic)
> Violence (Repeated/Moderate)
> Maturity: Moderate
> 9+
lavish gazelle
\> Blood (Light/Realistic)
\> Violence (Repeated/Moderate)
\> Maturity: Moderate...
???
vocal basin
???
that game that was being discussed
there is a clear mismatch between the words and the number
lavish gazelle
lol
vocal basin
I have a very clear and specific position on why I don't get involved with Roblox:
community that's predatory towards both children and game developers
@lavish gazelle it was widely advertised on youtube
it's, like, that one game that is advertised everywhere too
forgot the name
lavish gazelle
I have a very clear and specific position on why I don't get involved with Roblo...
Damn
vocal basin
forgot the name
idk there is a lot of them
lavish gazelle
<@969393422504968192> it was widely advertised on youtube
Yesss
vocal basin
ah, remembered
whole bear
One time purchase game are better
vocal basin
it's, like, that one game that is advertised everywhere too
raid shadow legends
but robots
whole bear
it is day light robbery to have in app purchase game
vocal basin
time to donate to minesweeper.online
vocal basin
snake and ladder
"peaceful gambling without money involved, with philosophical subcontext included"
@lavish gazelle there is some amount of action included
action of opening lootboxes
whole bear
"peaceful gambling without money involved, with philosophical subcontext include...
spawn can be predicted
larger the snake gets
vocal basin
spawn can be predicted
I might be thinking of the ancient one not the whatever mobile app
whole bear
Ah
vocal basin
lmao
whole bear
This game is ancient
vocal basin
yeah
vocal basin
@lavish gazelle @upbeat oasis okay time for difficult philosophical questions:
"does minesweeper count as skill-centric/hardcore or chill/for-fun?"
how is the genre of hay day called
lavish gazelle
<@969393422504968192> <@994014906359742504> okay time for difficult philosophica...
I hate board games
whole bear
<@969393422504968192> <@994014906359742504> okay time for difficult philosophica...
Brain Strom
vocal basin
@upbeat oasis what you described exists, but is different from what I made
vocal basin
https://ccms.parrrate.ru
@upbeat oasis this one is turn-based
vocal basin
My fav game is adult mobile game
tax returns forms
whole bear
tax returns forms
Hmm
vocal basin
high frequency minesweeper
the type of speeds we're talking about
https://minesweeper.online/game/3753839970
vocal basin
I'm the type of person to play both CS2 and solitaire
different ends of the scale
"if I do start playing on mobile, I might get to used to 120fps gaming, so my 60fps PC gaming will feel worse afterwards"
do I even have games installed on my phone 
whole bear
Done
vocal basin
I considered buying an iPhone as a fourth phone
whole bear
Pc
vocal basin
I don't have any apple products currently
also thought of buying a macbook
but decided against that
whole bear
It has both Mobile and PC download
vocal basin
not worth it
whole bear
macOS is good because it's proper Unix
True
vocal basin
macOS is good because it's proper Unix
dtrace and ZFS support out of the box
vocal basin
do I even have games installed on my phone <:pithink:652247559909277706>
- lichess
- chess.com
- galimulator (premium)
- the powder toy
- subterfuge (premium)
- (just because my cousin asked me to, I never played it without her in the room, she needed some referral quest reward) genshin impact
rip subterfuge
was a good game
died after a while
vocal basin
was a good game
5~7 years ago
whole bear
Windows supports dtrace too
Yes
lavish gazelle
Ass games
timid quartz
lavish gazelle
but also seems to be abandoned
i am glad it is
lavish gazelle
tf??
timid quartz
what
whole bear
Ranking for what?
timid quartz
Ranking for what?
its a tournament
timid quartz
Why send that here in the middle of a conversation
why not?
lavish gazelle
its a tournament
No one gives a shit bro
timid quartz
No one gives a shit bro
ok
timid quartz
and i dont give a shit about your conversation
whole bear
and i dont give a shit about your conversation
vocal basin
@lavish gazelle it's normal for people who are usually only active in the voice chats to send things here just like in an OT chat
lavish gazelle
Ok where were we?
whole bear
Btw I can't download Arena Breakout in Phone
too old to handle such a game
almost decade old phone
lavish gazelle
Ahhhhh I see
whole bear
We can play in PC
lavish gazelle
I am using linux
whole bear
whole bear
I am using linux
Good for you
lavish gazelle
Arena Breakout is windows
whole bear
I used to use linux but I choose to use windows now
lavish gazelle
Good for you
lol
lavish gazelle
I used to use linux but I choose to use windows now
Nice, I have a windows PC at home, but I don't really use it except for streaming movies
whole bear
You've got in both PC and Mobile
whole bear
Nice, I have a windows PC at home, but I don't really use it except for streamin...
So where are you?
vocal basin
I shall go do CS2 deathmatch; haven't played shooters in a very long time
lavish gazelle
I shall go do CS2 deathmatch; haven't played shooters in a very long time
CS2 is kinda cool tho
vocal basin
idk if I'll ever get back to respectable ranks
whole bear
Came to deploy something
Ah, unpaid overtime?
lavish gazelle
idk if I'll ever get back to respectable ranks
Be one of the hardcore girls that play ABI (Arena Breakout Infinite)
lavish gazelle
Ah, unpaid overtime?
Huhhh not really, I like coming to the office on weekends
whole bear
Huhhh not really, I like coming to the office on weekends
Good
lavish gazelle
ugh why is dust2 not special for deathmatch anymore
ABI has deathmatch tbh
lavish gazelle
ugh why is dust2 not special for deathmatch anymore
ABI will make you have a hardon
lavish gazelle
You seem to be experienced
Kinda
lavish gazelle
How long have you been working <@969393422504968192> ?
Uhmmm professionally, just over a year
I was in high school before then
whole bear
Uhmmm professionally, just over a year
Impressive
lavish gazelle
Impressive
Thank you 🙂
vocal basin
Uhmmm professionally, just over a year
officially, approximately same
unofficially, slightly longer
lavish gazelle
Lol hahah 😂
vocal basin
unofficially, slightly longer
(another year as a "self-employed")
lavish gazelle
I have been programming for a while
whole bear
So based on it I can make estimate that yuyaify is born after 2000
lavish gazelle
(another year as a "self-employed")
It was basically working for my freelancing business
vocal basin
So based on it I can make estimate that yuyaify is born after 2000
or got hired very late
I started programming pre-2010
whole bear
or got hired very late
could be but I think you are born after 2000
whole bear
I started programming pre-2010
So you started at the age of 8 or 9
lavish gazelle
or got hired very late
You a girl right???
vocal basin
yes
lavish gazelle
Cool
vocal basin
officially, approximately same
it looks a bit funnier with titles
whole bear
Bro has now become gender neutral
vocal basin
Bro has now become gender neutral
very context-dependent
whole bear
it looks a bit funnier with titles
Junior to Lead in no time
lavish gazelle
it looks a bit funnier with titles
Amazing
lavish gazelle
it looks a bit funnier with titles
Your linkedin is so dry
vocal basin
I started programming pre-2010
with programming equivalent of Latin, Pascal
dead language
lavish gazelle
Ohh
lavish gazelle
with programming equivalent of Latin, Pascal
Your russian 😍
whole bear
Your russian 😍
How do you know?
whole bear
I love russians, So i know if I see one
vocal basin
Your linkedin is so dry
I'm gradually transforming it from just a list of stuff into an art project
because I don't really use linkedin
lavish gazelle
I'm gradually transforming it from just a list of stuff into an art project
Art??
vocal basin
well, very certain kind of art
lavish gazelle
What kind I am curious?
vocal basin
first word there
lavish gazelle
Huhh interesting
@vocal basin you are the female version of Tsoding (He's russian also btw)
vocal basin
tsoding does way more daring/creative projects
lavish gazelle
Uhmmm I don't really know her that much tbh, just conversations in here
lavish gazelle
I guess we can't play ur fav game rq
you can't
lavish gazelle
windows
Huhhh, I will start gaming on PC after getting my workstation setup, I need to buy a flat screen also
whole bear
because you r @ office
whole bear
Huhhh, I will start gaming on PC after getting my workstation setup, I need to b...
what specs do ur pc have!
lavish gazelle
you told me you can't do much about it
I could use my linux to install the game through wine & lutris but the game uses the ACE anti-cheat, so not possible
lavish gazelle
what specs do ur pc have!
Uhhmmm I have 2, the workstation has 32GB and 1TB HDD, the other has 2 drives and 12 GB RAM
vocal basin
tsoding does way more daring/creative projects
(I chose those specific words, because I do believe I have more in-depth knowledge on many technical aspects)
lavish gazelle
I use the smaller spec pc for watching movies rn 😂
vocal basin
i.e. the difference is more importantly in the target of what we do
lavish gazelle
(I chose those specific words, because I do believe I have more in-depth knowled...
Teach me
vocal basin
I should update the list some day
and open source some code where it's coming from
lavish gazelle
I am not tryna be a chad in rust
vocal basin
unless that site just becomes a historical artifact
vocal basin
for a couple of months I switched almost entirely to Rust/SQL/Bash
prior to that was doing more Python and TypeScript
I'm going to come back to those two soon
also Lua
(soon)
lavish gazelle
for a couple of months I switched almost entirely to Rust/SQL/Bash
I seriously don't want that
vocal basin
Rust is more productive for what I do than Python
lavish gazelle
I see
lavish gazelle
and raw SQL is easier and quicker to write and debug than ORMs
ORMs are easier for me
vocal basin
debuggability and clarity are critical since I have strict performance requirements
whole bear
https://exercises.parrrate.com
Did you designed the website?
lavish gazelle
debuggability and clarity are critical since I have strict performance requireme...
Hmmm nice
vocal basin
https://github.com/rust-lang/mdbook
this is what I used
lavish gazelle
Where do you host your websites?
vocal basin
GH Pages
lavish gazelle
Github PAGES???!
lavish gazelle
Ahhhhhhh
vocal basin
all the code running is handled by the rust playground
lavish gazelle
https://parrrate.com/ is not even accessible
vocal basin
that one isn't pointing anywhere useful yet
lavish gazelle
Ohh ok
vocal basin
spotting mdbook be used randomly for non-Rust stuff is fun
GitBook only recently added dark theme iirc
wait no
I thought serde.rs had a dark theme
and that one uses gitbook
but it doesn't have a dark theme
confusion
ah, no
it does
just non-trivial to find
oaky, so, yes, now GitBook does have a dark theme
and mdbook had it for a very long time
and defaults to it properly
okay now I'm ever more confused:
why does GitBook themes have different fonts
presumably for readability?
whole bear
I careless about why
I care about more
as long as it has more
it all matters to me
whole bear
having more fonts and theme
especially fonts with glyph support for non-latin scripts are crucial maybe
vocal basin
that's why I think it's just because of readability concerns
whole bear
readability is main reason
vocal basin
also I've just ran into something ancient
https://docs.rs/void
(from serde.rs's examples)
vocal basin
also I've just ran into something ancient
https://docs.rs/void
2016
with the equivalent in the standard library being added in 2019
whole bear
Can it be used in latest version of rust?
I'm curious to know
I suppose it should work without any problem
vocal basin
yeah, most of the crates are usable even after a decade
there are very few breaking changes
whole bear
Hmm
vocal basin
the most significant in recent years was when time broke
because Box<str> got a second FromIterator implementation
whole bear
So It was for convenience
vocal basin
the most significant in recent years was when `time` broke
but time is actively maintained, so you could just update dependencies
ideally, void::Void could turn into being just an alias for std::convert::Infallible
however
there are some consequences of those being different types
so the trick, that's planned for Infallible and ! can't be done
vocal basin
there are some consequences of those being different types
this code would break
impl Trait for Void {}
impl Trait for Infallible {}
(if those were turned into the same type)
side note: these extension traits are slightly misdesigned
https://docs.rs/void/latest/void/trait.ResultVoidExt.html
https://docs.rs/void/latest/void/trait.ResultVoidErrExt.html
T and E there should've been associated types not generic type arguments
whole bear
I wasn't expecting so much info about it
vocal basin
I wish Python had associated types
whole bear
you have complete knowledge of situation
whole bear
I wish Python had associated types
Well upto Python dev
vocal basin
something like this
class Iterator(Protocol):
Item: type
def __next__(self) -> Self.Item: ...
def __iter__(self) -> Self: ...
compared to what we have now
class Iterator[Item](Protocol):
def __next__(self) -> Item: ...
def __iter__(self) -> Self: ...
Uh
vocal basin
actually, I guess, for Python, the second option makes more sense
vocal basin
actually, I guess, *for Python*, the second option makes more sense
I think this
lavish gazelle
Why do python lack associated types?
In Python, values carry types, but variables don’t.
vocal basin
in Python it's more normal to say that I is an iterator that yields A and also an iterator that yields B
vocal basin
In Python, values carry types, but variables don’t.
unrelated
vocal basin
in Python it's more normal to say that `I` is an iterator that yields `A` and al...
since this is a valid statement when A or B is a subtype of the other
vocal basin
yeah, unrelated to whether variables have types
lavish gazelle
I would still argue it is
vocal basin
associated types, just like generics, are expected to exist only within the scope of the type system model
shouldn't get too real most of the time
vocal basin
since this is a valid statement when `A` or `B` is a subtype of the other
whereas in Rust the only subtyping you get is lifetimes
whole bear
I think this
Everything in python is object at runtime, so saying Item:type could be interpreted as both runtime class attribute and compile time member?
vocal basin
I would still argue it is
here we're dealing mostly with attributes on classes, not really variables
they're annotated more explicitly
vocal basin
something like this
```py
class Iterator(Protocol):
Item: type
def __ne...
I believe that under some circumstances and interpretations of Python's typing model, this might make sense as is
keyword might
lavish gazelle
ah I get you now — you’re saying associated types (like Item in Rust’s Iterator) only really exist inside the type system model, while in Python the runtime doesn’t even care. so in Python land we just say “this iterator yields A or B” and leave it at that, because duck typing takes over. makes sense 👍
vocal basin
I've implemented approaches similar to associated types (literally having a type you can pull out of a class or an instance) before
lavish gazelle
I've implemented approaches similar to associated types (literally having a type...
Why would you want that in python?
What will be your use case?
vocal basin
certain things related to how Pydantic behaves
lavish gazelle
Hmmmm
vocal basin
Pydantic supports generics in quite a weird way
vocal basin
TypeScript's type model is excessively powerful
I believe you can, for example, have most of the JSON Schema spec covered by it
lavish gazelle
TypeScript's type model is excessively powerful
I just see it as a linter
vocal basin
I believe you can, for example, have most of the JSON Schema spec covered by it
e.g. have a type alias which describes how the type depends on the value of the schema
vocal basin
I just see it as a linter
mostly, yes
there are a few runtime TS features which aren't present in JS
general advice is to avoid them
lavish gazelle
general advice is to avoid them
Avoid JS & TS???
vocal basin
this is kind of thing that one can't get without associated types easily:
type ItemOf[T: Iterator[Item]] = Item
doesn't enum just compile to some immediately invoked function expression ??? 🤮
vocal basin
enums are just aliases
lavish gazelle
this is kind of thing that one can't get without associated types easily:
```pyt...
🤮
No i meant compiling into javascript the result code
Cuz browsers can't run ts
vocal basin
this is kind of thing that one can't get without associated types easily:
```pyt...
meanwhile Rust allows this
type ItemOf<T> = <T as Iterator>::Item;
you might be confusing those with weird constructors and decorators and whatever
enum Direction {
Up = 1,
Down,
Left,
Right,
}
this just gets inlined as 1,2,3,4 in code
Enums allow a developer to define a set of named constants.
lavish gazelle
you might be confusing those with weird constructors and decorators and whatever
No I know what you mean enums
I did see someone showing the end results of the code of enums
vocal basin
they likely get minified if they're strings
so you get _mQ1 or whatever instead of "this is third enum variant with an excessively long name"
lavish gazelle
Give me a sec to compile a ts
vocal basin
it didn't like me using : ItemOf[Test] directly
but seems to work fine this way
I'm surprised pylance understands it
lavish gazelle
This is what I am talking about:
After compile ts:
enum Direction {
Up = "UP",
Down = "DOWN",
Left = "LEFT",
Right = "RIGHT"
}
console.log(Direction.Up);
I got:
var Direction;
(function (Direction) {
Direction["Up"] = "UP";
Direction["Down"] = "DOWN";
Direction["Left"] = "LEFT";
Direction["Right"] = "RIGHT";
})(Direction || (Direction = {}));
console.log(Direction.Up);
Javscript is just dirty: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/IIFE
lavish gazelle
unfortunate
BIG TIME
vocal basin
I got:
```js
var Direction;
(function (Direction) {
Direction["Up"] = "UP";...
wait is this targeting es5
that might be why
lavish gazelle
Lemme set the target then
lavish gazelle
Same shit:
lavish gazelle
tsc might be defaulting to that
Even es2016
vocal basin
then just for consistency/simpler implementation ig
vocal basin
Yeah thank God no one has to read that
except browsers
which have to guess what was actually meant and inline those calls
lavish gazelle
which have to guess what was actually meant and inline those calls
Most browsers use v8 engine so they cool from that
vocal basin
is it possible to embed JS into COBOL
lavish gazelle
lol
vocal basin
it does receive updates sometimes
lavish gazelle
I am not learning that shit with being promise a hug bag 💰
lavish gazelle
But julia is kinda fun too
lavish gazelle
actually unironically impressive
You get turn on by cobol????
vocal basin
and most importantly:
vocal basin
language level support for channels
like Go
this is actually quite rare
and is called one of the key features of Go's design
and Erlang's
lavish gazelle
Impressive but not worth learning as for me
lavish gazelle
I really wanna do some more golang
wise loom
watching Genocidal Organ 2017.
i haven't watched a movie/anime in years.
vocal basin
lmao the name
(this is what Rust has loop for)
waiting for the PANIC, DROP DATABASE, HALT AND CATCH FIRE statement to be added
lavish gazelle
watching [Genocidal Organ 2017](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3615160/).
i haven'...
old man lolz
lavish gazelle
watching [Genocidal Organ 2017](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3615160/).
i haven'...
try watching AOT
lavish gazelle
(this is what Rust has `loop` for)
Rust tbh is just an experiment of different cs concepts
vocal basin
language level support for channels
though, from the other perspective, just how broken is COBOL that this needs to be a language feature
rather than a library
lavish gazelle
though, from the other perspective, just how broken is COBOL that this needs to ...
I guess very
lavish gazelle
rather than a library
It will be hard for it to be just a library since the amount of financial ints depending on it
But it is quite impressive it still works till this day
vocal basin
there was another "old" language updated in 2023
C
it took C 50 years to get 0b syntax for integer literals
maybe in 2073 we'll get logical xor
vocal basin
modern C++ can compile most of C but that tends to produce different results
because C++ provides less direct control
and gives more options to the compiler
(C++ has more UB)
vocal basin
I won't use it until C++26 is stable enough
wise loom
try watching AOT
what's AOT ?
vocal basin
attack on titan
lavish gazelle
Bevy i think under the hood uses immediate mode GUI library called egui
vocal basin
ahead of time compiler
wise loom
oh with the giants who chomp on humans and there's blood all over ?
lavish gazelle
oh with the giants who chomp on humans and there's blood all over ?
Correct
I am waiting for the next season
Also Jijutsu kaisen also
vocal basin
also
wise loom
I was able to force Hardware Decoding for certain applications (Firefox, mpv for certain)
lavish gazelle
also
The fact that the last season ended the same way the founding titan started is just peek
wise loom
CPU: 7735hs ; GPU: radeon 680m
there are certainly better iGPUs out there..
vocal basin
I was able to force Hardware Decoding for certain applications (Firefox, mpv for...
GPU- or CPU-enabled?
wise loom
better in terms of more hardware support for decoding/encoding video streams
vocal basin
GPU- or CPU-enabled?
iirc there are some differences between 264 and 265 in those terms
lavish gazelle
I was able to force Hardware Decoding for certain applications (Firefox, mpv for...
Why your CPU is not taking it well
wise loom
GPU- or CPU-enabled?
amdgpu_top and /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info
are finally confirming that decoding is happening on the GPU
I can't believe I had to explicitly tell FF/Chrome/mpv to use the GPU
it's so obvious that if a GPU is available it should be used
lavish gazelle
lolz
wise loom
like why would I ever want the CPU to be used for decoding video..
vocal basin
I don't know if VLC uses the integrated GPU on my laptop (instead of main CPU cores)
wise loom
even an old Tegra on a Baytrail does wonders..
vocal basin
I don't know if VLC uses the integrated GPU on my laptop (instead of main CPU co...
((running inside docker))
lavish gazelle
((running inside docker))
What is wrong with you people man, why tf is vlc running on docker????!!
lavish gazelle
What os are you using templeos??
vocal basin
openSUSE; it has interesting opinions on how ffmpeg and friends are installed
wise loom
codecs are legal and patent battlegrounds nowadays I think..
maybe related to your usage of "opinions"
lavish gazelle
openSUSE; it has interesting opinions on how ffmpeg and friends are installed
You torturing yourself
vocal basin
no
lavish gazelle
use debian
wise loom
You torturing yourself
dear master Borje, please teach us what the best Linux distro is
lavish gazelle
dear master Borje, please teach us what the best Linux distro is
I don't have to you must already know it. ARCH
vocal basin
next one I install will be ALT
wise loom
I don't have to you must already know it. **ARCH**
I use arch.. btw
vocal basin
without ..
lavish gazelle
> I use arch.. btw
I use arch btw
wise loom
I like tinycore a lot myself..
lavish gazelle
I like tinycore a lot myself..
arch is tinycore
wise loom
arch is tinycore
far from it
lavish gazelle
What ever you put in there is your doing
wise loom
tinycore is possibly the only minimalistic distro these days
there are many sacrifices made to reach that goal..
lavish gazelle
tinycore is possibly the only minimalistic distro these days
Does it ship with a desktop env????
wise loom
yes
vocal basin
how much does VxWorks require
wise loom
Not a serious os then
Mark Shuttleworth asked me in the pre-screening for Canonical when I applied for a job there what my GPA in High-school was..
heal also asked me what percentile I was in terms of math ability
Mark is a serious man
imagine how much Mathematics one does at Canonical
and how much of it Mark knows..
vocal basin
Not a serious os then
"serious" being <...>?
wise loom
give him an impromptu 5th grade synthetic geometry problem, see how he fares..
lavish gazelle
Mark Shuttleworth asked me in the pre-screening for Canonical when I applied for...
Who's this mark?
lavish gazelle
"serious" being <...>?
Not for dev stuff
wise loom
Who's this mark?
He's the main man at Canonical, you know, the operating system "for humans"
lavish gazelle
He's the main man at Canonical, you know, the operating system "for humans"
Ohhh ubuntu 🤮
vocal basin
Not for dev stuff
so IMB Z is not serious too because it's only for deployment?
lavish gazelle
so IMB Z is not serious too because it's only for deployment?
Who uses that shyy
wise loom
Ohhh ubuntu 🤮
No no, please, Mark is a well-respected man. In 2006 he went on orbit on the ISS.
How did Mark have money to do that? We don't know..
lavish gazelle
No no, please, Mark is a well-respected man. In 2006 he went on orbit on the ISS...
I hate ubuntu even though
vocal basin
Who uses that shyy
an overly rich 0.6% of the market
lavish gazelle
No no, please, Mark is a well-respected man. In 2006 he went on orbit on the ISS...
Ubuntu has a paid version
vocal basin
i.e. whatever IBM has left
wise loom
Ubuntu has a paid version
yes, the paid version is for Mark's rich friends, which I am not one of those
lavish gazelle
an overly rich 0.6% of the market
Ohh good for them
lavish gazelle
yes, the paid version is for Mark's rich friends, which I am not one of those
Slide in his dms bruhh
vocal basin
an overly rich 0.6% of the market
seems to be more than BSD and [non-Oracle] Solaris combined
non-Oracle Solaris being illumos
wise loom
Slide in his dms bruhh
Dude doesn't want to hear about me. I applied for Canonical, didn't even pass the screening. Failed pre-interview.
Imagine how high the bar must be at Canonical if all their apps keep crashing every 5h and you get the Dialog box asking you if you want to "Send Logs to Developers"
vocal basin
lmao
lavish gazelle
Dude doesn't want to hear about me. I applied for Canonical, didn't even pass th...
PEAK!!
vocal basin
also, very classic of AI overview, I can literally see 0.01% instead of 0.00% in the first search result
vibe rounding
vocal basin
so IMB Z is not serious too because it's only for deployment?
speaking of big computers,
turns out Oxide a ~month ago raised $100M
lavish gazelle
vibe rounding
wow
lavish gazelle
turns out Oxide a ~month ago raised $100M
impressive
They are a cloud company reinventing the wheel????
vocal basin
wise loom
Bryan Cantrill must be super-well-connected
vocal basin
the company is very public about many aspects of its operation
wise loom
the OS mafia
lavish gazelle
<https://oxide.computer/blog/our-100m-series-b>
I am happy for them
lavish gazelle
the company is very public about many aspects of its operation
I respect there work
vocal basin
@sage hearth was it you or someone else who pinged here a couple of minutes ago?
(might just be a similar name)
vocal basin
I'm just a bit interested in knowing what type of scam that was
lavish gazelle
Top tier prop
calm ibex
so i’m new at programming and i wanna know how to use visual studio code
vocal basin
one of the most important commands to know:
"Python: Select Interpreter"
if Python behaves as if packages and whatever else is missing
(just a thing to remember when stuff explodes)
vocal basin
for Python you need the following extensions:
- Python (default one, by Microsoft)
ruffhttps://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=charliermarsh.ruff
for proper projects I also highly recommend these two:
calm ibex
done
vocal basin
with uv for managing venvs
uv is a tool built on top of pip and venv which simplifies some things
uv init
uv add numpy
uv run main.py
so I want to begin write codes
vocal basin
is your project going to have dependencies on existing python packages?
(which would normally be installed via pip)
vocal basin
<https://docs.astral.sh/uv/>
if yes, then this
calm ibex
is your project going to have dependencies on existing python packages?
idk I literally a biggener and idk
i just wanna to make a simple calc
Hello
vocal basin
for proper projects I also highly recommend these two:
- <https://marketplace.vi...
then ignore this part
vocal basin
<https://docs.astral.sh/uv/>
and this, for now
for now just create an empty directory for your code and open it in VSCode
calm ibex
then ignore this part
I just donwloaded it
calm ibex
for now just create an empty directory for your code and open it in VSCode
How can i do this
vocal basin
create a directory using your system's file explorer
calm ibex
I am stick at this
vocal basin
create a directory using your system's file explorer
then open it from here
calm ibex
then open it from here
then ?
vocal basin
I don't think your should be opening that directory
you opened where VSCode is installed;
you need to open the directory of your project instead
vocal basin
then open it from here
no, you need to do this again and select the right directory
calm ibex
like this right ?
so that’s wrong ?\
vocal basin
this
click Open Folder again, then navigate to your project
open your project's directory instead of the first thing it shows
vocal basin
press ctrl+` (backtick; key to the left of 1, also has ~ on it)
then run py main.py in the integrated terminal
vocal basin
press ctrl+` (backtick; key to the left of 1, also has ~ on it)
if you don't have that key, press three dots in the toolbar, then Terminal, then New Terminal
calm ibex
if you don't have that key, press three dots in the toolbar, then Terminal, then...
where is that Key
vocal basin
then run `py main.py` in the integrated terminal
in my experience, running code trough terminal is way more stable and reliable than using the "run" button
though might depend on your keyboard layout
calm ibex
vocal basin
py main.py, then enter
vocal basin
try to avoid using spaces in file names
PyCharm won't allow you to run non-Python files either
calm ibex
PyCharm won't allow you to run non-Python files either
Actually it allows me ig
vocal basin
it doesn't, it just automatically adds .py
(when creating the file)
click the file, then either right click it and find rename in the context menu or press F2
the file name must be snake_case or lowercase with no spaces ending with .py
after that you need to run py <whatever the file name is> in the terminal within VSCode
calm ibex
wait wait
vocal basin
have you renamed the file?
vocal basin
it must be simple_calc_ig.py
calm ibex
oh ok
vocal basin
lowercase s and .py extension
calm ibex
done
vocal basin
after renaming,
ctrl+` to focus the terminal
then run py simple_calc_ig.py in the terminal
vocal basin
no, don't use the run button
calm ibex
after renaming,
ctrl+\` to focus the terminal
then run `py simple_calc_ig.py` in...
I just dragged this to the terminal
vocal basin
clear the terminal input and type exactly py simple_calc_ig.py into it, then press enter
vocal basin
now that your know how the right way to run code looks like,
you may try clicking this button
hexed trout
clear the terminal input and type exactly `py simple_calc_ig.py` into it, then p...
never knew this was the right way
neat
calm ibex
now that your know how the right way to run code looks like,
you may try clickin...
Tat’s it ?
That*
vocal basin
now that your know how the right way to run code looks like,
you may try clickin...
when this will get problematic:
- multiple interpreters
- working directories
- some other cases
so I'm showing you the more reliable way in case stuff with the run button doesn't work
calm ibex
so I'm showing you the more reliable way in case stuff with the run button doesn...
oh I get it
vocal basin
Tat’s it ?
another option of how to run the program:
press ctrl+F5
vocal basin
also do remember that you have to save the files
or enable auto-save like in PyCharm
calm ibex
also do remember that you have to save the files
I can’t press ctrl + s >
vocal basin
it already saved for you when you ran the file
calm ibex
it already saved for you when you ran the file
yh yh
vocal basin
another option of how to run the program:
press ctrl+F5
that one will open this prompt
which idk if works at all
but seems to run
calm ibex
I can’t remove this it’s that last thing when I run the code
vocal basin
it just goes back to the terminal after running
calm ibex
it just goes back to the terminal after running
So I can’t right ?
vocal basin
that one will open this prompt
ctrl+F5 means "run the program through a debugger with debugging turned off", seems like
vocal basin
So I can’t right ?
you just need to get used to treating program output just like output of any other terminal tool
$ command
output
# here, the output is finished
$ another command
...
ummmmm
vocal basin
IntelliJ family of IDEs treat program output way too separately from regular terminal output
including PyCharm
which is why, for example, ANSI escape sequences don't work there by default
whereas VSCode runs your program mostly as is
calm ibex
if I want to run with these two
vocal basin
I can't currently check the first one there; seems like because I'm using a remote server for running it
(presumably that one has something to do with actual windows)
timid quartz
sigh
calm ibex
Hello ?
ocean solar
calm ibex
The laptop didn't detect that Python is installed, but when I tried to install it, it said that a version is already installed.
somber heath
somber heath
@tacit lynx @whole bear 👋
somber heath
@rapid lichen @tawny ether 👋
rapid lichen
👋
somber heath
@hearty raven 👋
vocal basin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
!voice
hearty raven
so you work as a python dev?
btw i am a python dev in a HFT firm
got it
want to work togeter on a python project?
vocal basin
btw i am a python dev in a HFT firm
Knight Capital 2
vocal basin
KC is a famous example of HFT gone wrong
hearty raven
yup totally possible
vocal basin
KC is a famous example of HFT gone wrong
also of problematic deployment practices
@somber heath billions before they cancelled trades
somber heath
@forest silo 👋
vocal basin
half a billion lost in something like an hour
and this is after whatever they could cancel
and then they mis-updated again
this is why we delete dead code if it's actually dead
never replace dead code in one step
delete, deploy, replace, deploy
unit tests wouldn't really help there
somber heath
@fluid marsh 👋
vocal basin
KC is a famous example of HFT gone wrong
should be mentioned here too
https://youtu.be/C9YQLzSybU8?t=144
candid spire
The biggest surprise was Jane Street being banned from India.
The very same company which hires top IT talent from India to improve prediction programs.
The very same company was involved in stock manipulation
vocal basin
market creativity
turbid harness
Pop quiz. Who can guess the real ubuntu shell
turbid harness
One is made with py the other is the ubuntu terminal
vocal basin
I sometimes forget that root is colourless
I rarely ever log in as root or sudo -s
used to seeing green user and host name
turbid harness
soo do you have your answer.
vocal basin
window titles
this one suggests the answer is left
turbid harness
the other one is made with python. Made it look as realistic as possible
and it actually works
vocal basin
works to what extent?
turbid harness
very similar but not quite there. I implemented some of the default command
vocal basin
does $(...) syntax work?
turbid harness
Not sure I added that. Imma upload it to github in a bit so you can test it yourself
Right now it only works on linux beacuse of one import
turbid harness
On ubuntu 25.04 it came by default
primal shadow
It generally comes with Ubuntu
vocal basin
on minimal ubuntu installation with "login as root" enabled it might be missing
it is missing on Debian default installation
because that has "login as root" enabled by default
with a separate password between root and non-root user
turbid harness
Oh ok
vocal basin
sudo is a surprisingly non-default thing despite how people view it as inherent to Linux
Alpine doesn't have proper sudo
only sudo as an alias to doas
, which is a package
vocal basin
Aleppo
turbid harness
here is the github repo
https://github.com/omegadev21/PyOS_dev
peak depot
