voice-chat-text-0

[umbral carbon]

Hai @raw flicker

[raw flicker]

hi

[vocal basin]

"why is make telling me to stop"

[raw flicker]

what are y'all doin

[vocal basin]

I'm waiting for CI to fail again

[raw flicker]

ci?

[vocal basin]

https://docs.github.com/en/actions/concepts/overview/continuous-integration

[raw flicker]

oh

[umbral carbon]

Exporing MCP

[vocal basin]

Burroughs MCP?

master control program

[umbral carbon]

Ya we build an poc on legacy code document generator with chat feature

[stray pewter]

👋hello

[umbral carbon]

Now I'm trying to give it to vscode copilot

[vocal basin]

am I literally the only audience for this joke here

[umbral carbon]

Model context protocol

[vocal basin]

too bad the acronym is already taken

64 years ago

it's like MinIO using mc for their control CLI

[umbral carbon]

That's new for me..

🧐

[vocal basin]

at least Google shows the correct one first

[umbral carbon]

It got ur wavelength

Hai @amber raptor

[vocal basin]

no

lmao

[amber raptor]

steampowered.com

[vocal basin]

@midnight agate did the 90s mc already become ancient history

[umbral carbon]

Hai @midnight agate

[vocal basin]

big project is trying to take over the short CLI acronym

anything adjacent to AI seems to do that now

MC, MCP

[umbral carbon]

Like Gemini cli ?

[vocal basin]

tbf MinIO is just exploiting the AI trend they aren't really AI

[vocal basin]

not really in this case

because it's gemini

not g or whatever

[umbral carbon]

Crt

Hai @wind raptor

Good about me lins @wind raptor

[vocal basin]

ohno I forgot I can't publish with a git dep

okay then I need to publish that crate first

[stray pewter]

Hello 👋

[vocal basin]

first degree murderarketing

new list of banned software just dropped

RKN giving free advertisement to Threema

never knew about it before

@wind raptor Somalia?

I have heard about some very low wages before

I don't remember where exactly it was

[vocal basin]

like official wages for full-time

@wind raptor that actually kind of sounds low

though ig okay given the fiverr's cut

in Russia $25/h is relatively reasonable for tutoring, so I'd expect Canada to have higher

@wind raptor many planned incomplete features

technically not sabotage

@wind raptor no intellisense?

that is what I think of as auto-complete

AI isn't really auto-complete it's auto-speculate

Large Lame Mess

@wind raptor "explain it with a LoopFactory"

loops are actually a mess

generally

so not surprising

"become a consultant, now you get to teach adults"

@primal shadow I got the first contract exactly for that

2 months, self-employed

working on the critical piece of infrastructure

"if this doesn't get built/fixed, we don't have a company" type of thing

and in Russia you just invest in tutors/whoever so that you get free education later

[amber raptor]

Banned where?

[vocal basin]

Russia

Discord banned twice

law magic

waiting for the third time

weird that WeChat is there

well, only from a public point of view

FSB actually is now very concerned with Chinese influence

@wind raptor I normally have it covered

most of the time

@wind raptor probably don't put mice in your pockets alongside the phone

[primal shadow]

I keep my mice in my pocket

the mammals and the electronics

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor You know what I hate abt cmake? LNK1168 errors

[alpine crater]

👋

[wind raptor]

Hey!

[stray pewter]

such a clean, speretated non bunched togethor file struct

[vocal basin]

wasn't regex Cloudflare not Crowdstrike?

Crowdstrike just shipped an empty binary file iirc

[wind raptor]

Oh yeah, maybe that was it.

It's been too long now

[vocal basin]

Cloudflare DoSed themselves with a regex

I have TPM disabled but W10 thinks the system is W11-compatible

there actually exist tutorials for W11 without TPM

so seems like it's not a strict requirement

termux+neovim

on a phone

[wise loom]

no laptops 💻 !!!

leave laptops outside 🚫 💻, not allowed

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor in my school we get ipads with keyboards that we NEED to buy for 700$. but its worth it for homework, schoolwork and notes

[primal shadow]

click clack\

[vocal basin]

stenotype

[wise loom]

no BYOD

paper & pencil

[wind raptor]

I'm surprised you have to buy them. Our schools just loan them to the students for free if they need them.

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor I am going to assume the answer is going to be a instant no buy you miss 100% of the shorts you don't take. So here, may I temporarily receive streaming permissions to stream VSC to show my programming language?

[wind raptor]

!stream 1348021169399271484

[wise cargo]

✅ @stray pewter can now stream until <t:1752945617:f>.

[stray pewter]

OMG

yay!!!!

[vocal basin]

some NPUs don't work without a GPU

thanks AMD

@amber raptor free version also auto-nukes itself when not actively used

no background processes allowed

[wise loom]

@amber raptor Google needs to make money too, it can't just offer everything for free..

plus the administration needs money too on taxes

infinite growth

[vocal basin]

acquihire

apparently a real word according to whatever dictionary the browser uses

@odd dove no AI

[alpine crater]

I really like the claude code cli, and the model is fine enough

Copilot lets you pick from different models

its effectively a frontend for different models

or well theres also the inline completions model

[vocal basin]

everyone asks how is copilot but no one asks how is copilot

I just view those as toys

I feel like copilot, if I were to use it, would just make me work as if I had ADHD

like a total focus destroyer

I'd just end up toying with it

[wind raptor]

https://www.theodinproject.com/paths

[upper basin]

Use it for documentation purely, and supervise it.

[vocal basin]

why would I use it to lie to me

[upper basin]

It's good because it learns your style of documentation, which saves time. It's also moderately well-informed.

[vocal basin]

AI for docs is pure value decrease

[upper basin]

Not sure what you mean by lie, but do what you feel is comfortable.

[upper basin]

I'd disagree, but then again what do I know.

[vocal basin]

I already have humans to supervise

at least humans learn

[upper basin]

People document your code for you?

Must be nice.

[vocal basin]

not for docs

[upper basin]

.

[vocal basin]

wait did you mean writing docs not reading?

that's even worse

[upper basin]

If it writes sth that I see is correct and close to what I would have written, I call that a good save of time.

It saves me alot of time.

[vocal basin]

I think it's okay-ish to run AI on code you already have, ask it for examples of usage, check if they compile and pass tests, and then burn them down and write examples manually

if textual docs (proper statements) can be easily inferred from code, those docs generally don't add value and don't deserve to exist

write why you made it, write how you use it

and details/nuances

[vocal basin]

I'd rather have this be algorithmic

not guessed

code -> markdown does not involve AI

[vocal basin]

first is for comments, second is for docs

[alpine crater]

I dont use much AI in code, because it doesnt write good code

[vocal basin]

@primal shadow maybe just don't make your docs fucking mindless?

[alpine crater]

I am actively writting docs

[vocal basin]

stop boilerplate, don't automate it

for

fucks

sake

and if you do automate it, do it properly

[alpine crater]

Y E S.

people keep saying AIs make boilerplate easier to write.

But thats not a good thing

I dont want to need AI to edit my code

[lost sage]

depends on who will run my code

[alpine crater]

thats what type hints are for

[vocal basin]

@primal shadow just the fact you call docs mindless shows you have no fucking clue what docs are for

[stray pewter]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[vocal basin]

@primal shadow we all understand you like to say things pretentiously as if you understand something,
but just, fucking stop and think at least once

[amber raptor]

I feel like they are search brained and if it’s not 10x-20x profit, into graveyard it goes.

[stray pewter]

its called type hints, function hints. Docs are proper long detailed docs, not in the code, its outside of the code

[vocal basin]

I don't remember whose quote exactly it was (I think Joe Armstrong):
what is the name for a very long comment? that's called a book

[atomic tinsel]

Hello

[alpine crater]

huh

My computer decided it wanted to do a restart
(I think the power went out for a split second?)

[vocal basin]

I thought you were referring to EPIPE on screen for a second

@upper basin does it happen often for you?

this is first time I see that

[upper basin]

Yep.

Quite often.

[vocal basin]

Windows 🚀

[upper basin]

Probably due to my limited RAM.

Started happening iirc from when I downgraded my RAM.

[vocal basin]

are you mounting anything into WSL or is it using its own volumes only?

though that would only matter under very unfortunate circumstances

[vocal basin]

as alleged by DHH, Ruby is good for that

(coding without automation, including intellisense)

[vocal basin]

this reminded me of how pair implementation on C++ takes several hundred lines

waiting for C++29 to add LLMs into the language

C++26 is already getting linalg iirc

[alpine crater]

everything is getting llms these days

[vocal basin]

"providing an unsafe prompt is undefined behaviour,
however some compilers might restrict this to leaving the model in a valid but unspecified state"

with obligatory C++ standard classics like "LLM is created when a large language model is created"

https://youtu.be/oZyhq4D-QL4

@alpine crater what are you using for book generation?

[alpine crater]

mdbook

[vocal basin]

so just with several plugins ig

[alpine crater]

https://rust-lang.github.io/mdBook/

[vocal basin]

yeah, I do know about that

[vocal basin]

just unusual to see spellcheck

[stray pewter]

VIBE CODING?

FIVERR?

?

[vocal basin]

and I didn't remember if notes/warnings landed there yet

[alpine crater]

yhe I use https://crates.io/crates/mdbook-callouts

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor

[alpine crater]

Ohhhh nice crates.io stepped up their embed game

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaaaa

[vocal basin]

I guess that implies rustdoc doesn't support those yet
(since base mdbook and rustdoc are mostly aligned)

[alpine crater]

well they do have some version of it, but I didnt like how they looked

also it uses html stuff, which I kinda find ugly

[vocal basin]

ah

[alpine crater]

<div class="warning">

This is a bad thing that you should pay attention to.

Warning blocks should be used sparingly in documentation, to avoid "warning
fatigue," where people are trained to ignore them because they usually don't
matter for what they're doing.

</div>

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor Would you consider this pricing is fair? Also before I do anything is it ok to steal the 10 word gig description from u? If not then I will change it

[vocal basin]

I have some mdbook plugin I made laying around somewhere, I already forgot where

for attr

iirc

wait no

abbr

cannot spell

because I don't want to HTML it

and markdownlint complains at HTML in MD

[alpine crater]

this plugin is also really nice, uses rust-analyzer to generate links to documentation: https://tonywu6.github.io/mdbookkit/rustdoc-link/index.html

so I can just write like

[`.map`](access::Ref::map)

and it transforms it into a docs.rs link

[vocal basin]

at some point I tried finding how to properly link with docs hosted outside crates.io

turns out it's not yet working

specifically multiple versions are impossible to do

[alpine crater]

brb

[rotund fjord]

you missed quantum computing

[lost sage]

welcome back

[wind raptor]

Go ahead

[rotund fjord]

just kidding

[wind raptor]

Pricing seems very low

[vocal basin]

@upper basin quantum mechanics in C++ compilers already

[rotund fjord]

why does A.C.E07's screen have a gazillion tabs open?

my computer would have crashed if I tried to do that

[vocal basin]

it can always be worse

[rotund fjord]

or at least google would have crashed

[rotund fjord]

omg

[vocal basin]

those are windows

[rotund fjord]

your computer must me very strong

[vocal basin]

64GiB of RAM, 130GiB of RAM+swap

[rotund fjord]

mine used intel i3 core processor

[lost sage]

= quantum coputer

[rotund fjord]

with 4 gigabytes of RAM

[vocal basin]

VSCode not including server side

[rotund fjord]

wth

[hexed trout]

hello!! I'm well thanks and yourself?

[rotund fjord]

how is that even possible

[hexed trout]

nice!

[lost sage]

ricing my arch hyprland installation

[rotund fjord]

there is no way that is real

[stray pewter]

How would I get people to order cause, I have no orders, no reviews, how would anyone see me?

[lost sage]

customizing

yeah many configs

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor considered a slightly racist term in certain circles but generally acceptable

I think it's back to being viewed as okay

[wind raptor]

I wouldn't offer a 10-hour package for that low

[lost sage]

upppsie didnt knew that

[vocal basin]

the history is a bit questionable

[wind raptor]

That's a big commitment for not a lot of cash

[vocal basin]

but, like, I haven't heard anyone complain about it for a long time

[rotund fjord]

the fact that it says it is 3:00 AM on his screen lol

[stray pewter]

yeah ig

[wind raptor]

I wouldn't do tiered until you get some reviews

[vocal basin]

ah, I know why we haven't heard about it as much

furyo isn't in the VC as often

[hexed trout]

ahh wow ok yeah I can totally see that being offensive lol.

[alpine crater]

and back

[hexed trout]

always difficult when frequently used casual lingo happens to have a history like.. that

[stray pewter]

Still how would I get people to order cause, I have no orders, no reviews, how would anyone see me? 10 hours or no 10 hours

[vocal basin]

I almost remember the exact conversation

[wind raptor]

You don't have to do the 3-tier system. I'd just do 1 hour for cheap

[vocal basin]

we were discussing a potential catch phrase for NixOS

[wind raptor]

Less commitment with equal exposure and you can up it once you get a couple of reviews

[vocal basin]

with {you obviously know who}

[wind raptor]

without being locked into 10 hour "contracts"

[stray pewter]

I don't mind the commitment, I did private non official tutoring and its not that

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern next step: jupyter in batgrl

[stray pewter]

its more about how the hell would I get even one single bit of exposure

like one drop

[wind raptor]

You do you. I was just trying to help out.

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor

[wind raptor]

Without getting a friend to order and review, I had to wait a couple of months for my first one

[stray pewter]

hmm

okie thanks!

[hexed trout]

that's dope, Salt

[stray pewter]

I will prob do less than 10 hours

[lost sage]

damn looks fire

[vocal basin]

the reactivity on prop changes is insane

sometimes I forget that is actually something that should be expected of programs

[vocal basin]

(in good way)

[wind raptor]

Also, these need to be fixed:

[alpine crater]

@unique wyvern are you doing the transparency by actually not doing a image at that spot and just modifying the cell colors to match? (hence you just hide the chars on color boundries?)

[lost sage]

yeah play doom on it xD

[eternal ether]

what is the snel badge?

[vocal basin]

it looks like it picks what's more detailed? I think

either image or text

like why it hides text sometimes

[wind raptor]

This is your time to deliver the gig... They likely will not be taking a lesson every day and with time zones, it can take a bit to find a day/time that works.

[alpine crater]

AH

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern and removes text when there is a border, right?

or something like that

[alpine crater]

thats such a smart way to do it

[vocal basin]

like here

no text

yeah, that's what I thought

ideally you want both, but you have to choose

great that many of these things stop looking like magic if you look at it for some time

kind of easy to infer what happens with how it's implemented

[hexed trout]

agree with ace, also your voice is very soothing Salt

so good python sharing 👍

[vocal basin]

"next step: reimplement this in the terminal"

1963

[grave ivy]

hello there
how are you doing today

[vocal basin]

sevenel

[winter bane]

*I am gonna use every brain cell to choose between Djago Or FastAPi but bcas my though process i cant select either and i guess my brain cells are dying int the process *

[vocal basin]

FastAPI

unless spending time on choosing is the goal

[winter bane]

I am just concerned about security implementation , for eg django gives me a messy structure (where they call "view" is gonna handle a "httlp request" but you get batteries included ORM and Auth and etc. Thats why i have not yet ran with fastapi

[vocal basin]

the DI-based auth is so great

what FastAPI does

you just put, for example, user: Depends(example_admin) or something like that on a route

[wind raptor]

I love FastAPI

[vocal basin]

and, like, your function gets a user which is required to be an admin as an argument

like you can safely make auth there yourself

same for axum in Rust

[winter bane]

hmm , lemme check 👍

Between i do love how fastAPI is wrt development experience , I think django have a very messy way to write the stuff

[vocal basin]

I'm thinking of trying to make an RoR app today/tomorrow

speedrunning

initially was going to make something completely different

but that got boring

not, like, boring boring, just that I did enough to put it away for later

and I actually shouldn't be rushing it

@radiant iron 👋

@upper basin if you need documentation, possibly it's time to rethink the code style (more experimentation with general architecture of the system, conventions, etc.)

[upper basin]

No I mean like I forget why I made sth, notes help.

[vocal basin]

yes, reasoning does need to be written down

code provenance

[upper basin]

If I don't write any comments/docstrings, I'll still be able to understand, but I'd have to spend that time each time to re-understand.

Docs/comments skips that.

[vocal basin]

I am aiming for 100% code provenance documentation at some point

all sources

all links

all searches

but

I forget to do that

because I don't rely on it

[vocal basin]

this effort got hindered by the fact that my memory stopped deteriorating and I just remember so many things and recall them quickly

[radiant iron]

Heyyy

I will be back in a bit

[winter bane]

@vocal basin I am sadly back to increasing thinking time , i guess this what coders like me do to procrastinate :p

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-tap-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-contemplate-gif-5837190

[vocal basin]

if I finish the RoR app before you even start, then you've spent way too much time

ugh

that, too, is VSCode largely

specifically rust-analyzer used by it

oaky I'm having to run setup for a second time

because I'd rather not run into some funny edge case of renaming the project

I'm sorry, how many files?

@upper basin

thanks Quora

[hexed trout]

I thought that was real for a second lol

[vocal basin]

the screenshot is real

that is not AI hallucination

that is human-written

by a real human

[upper basin]

Peak.

[hexed trout]

??? quora feeling okay?

[vocal basin]

never has been

[upper basin]

They have my undying respect now.

[vocal basin]

Quora is like a child of stackoverflow, 4chan and facebook

[hexed trout]

I have always kinda seen it as the search result on Google that's like "oh jeez, do I really have no better options?"

that's awesome that you code even with visual impairment Salt, you ever struggle with any strain/dryness?

[vocal basin]

palette stealing website
https://coolors.co/

minesweeper mentioned

[hexed trout]

these are genuinely so cool Salt

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern maximise distance

but always keep it solvable

same dimensions

same size

like because you're projecting onto a plane

not a point

no perspective

[sage heart]

when do we get to speak

[vocal basin]

@upper basin lagosaur

[hexed trout]

50 message I believe

[vocal basin]

#voice-verification

[hexed trout]

I also need that lol

[upper basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[hexed trout]

I really wanna talk about Salt's stuff

[upper basin]

Don't we all...

[sage heart]

ahh interesting thanks

[vocal basin]

I took the freedom of unverifying myself

[sage heart]

i can tell you don't play RTS games

is that correct

[vocal basin]

hm?

who

[sage heart]

the one w the keyboard, i think salt-die

[vocal basin]

ah, you mean this as RTS?

isotiles

[sage heart]

noo

his keyboard doesn't have a numpad

[vocal basin]

hmm

[sage heart]

ppl use numpad a lot for macros and stuff
i play dota and i can't live without a numpad

[vocal basin]

my comprehensive abilities aren't functioning anymore

[sage heart]

i still love wolfram bc i don't know about this story

[sage heart]

narcissistic?

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern very expected note?

[sage heart]

woah how did they figure it out tho?

ellipsis

[vocal basin]

my guess would be consistent short-term writing/editing with clear bias

by a single author

with few sources

probably

[sage heart]

ahh

interesting, that's one way to do it

[vocal basin]

now that was purely my guess

and here is the discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stephen_Wolfram#Undisclosed_paid_editing

[sage heart]

a clever guess

[vocal basin]

okay this was not the case

account-wise

[unique wyvern]

https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/

[vocal basin]

6. Emphasis on "inaugural Fellow" might be puffery
7. Spammy and trivial, only primary and self-published sources
8. much new text, very spammy, advertorial in tone
9. puffing up "influences" list in infobox (what are those even good for anyway?)
10. upgrading his grandmother from "speaker" to "expert"
11. adding empty marketing language
12. hyping the "Wolfram Axiom", blatantly ignoring everyone else's contributions
13. moved some text, hyped his SoundCloud
    I'm sorry what, SoundCloud?
14. unsourced BLP information about his son, early life and education material rearranged
15. the dreaded "In popular culture" heading
16. addition of self-published source

[sage heart]

so salt die what do u do for work, u seem very knowledgeable @unique wyvern
im not sure such questions are allowed in this server, lmk if so

[vocal basin]

damn these cloud rappers these days

[sage heart]

i've already put that evil on ya

structural pattern matching?

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern it's already in the tutorial

[sage heart]

is that just match case?

[vocal basin]

it's like switch in C#

C#

not C

it's somewhat structural

[sage heart]

yea i've seen its wild uses.. feels like something else would be more readable

[vocal basin]

C++++

C# is design-fork of Java

kind of just Microsoft Java

which then evolved further

[sage heart]

what's it used for rn

[vocal basin]

Microsoft now does Rust

okay the tutorial only accidentally mentions ...

in https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/modules.html#the-dir-function

I tried copying the URL and somehow copied just l

@unique wyvern rustlings are fun to go through if there is a goal of learning the language

https://maturin.rs

Python+Rust stuff

[sage heart]

hmm

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern or make them write only

[sage heart]

alright see you all next time

[vocal basin]

you can only write to the list

but never read

https://github.com/dcramer/mangodb

[vocal basin]

this just writes everything into /dev/null

sharding gone wrong

[hexed trout]

"AUTO SHARTING ALGORITHM" lol

[vocal basin]

I need to somehow compensate for lack of Hemlock in the VC

@unique wyvern when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a screw/thumb

[vocal basin]

I don't remember if it was shown or not, maybe I missed it

when definition of structure is very loose

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1875800/Cubytet/

but that one isn't physics

there was one which cut through pieces

and had physics

@unique wyvern
> in 4K
> you mean resolution?
> no, 4KB

@hexed trout tbf C has more capabilities to make something really CPU-unfriendly

mmap at a specific address

type of bs you can't just do directly in Python

@calm heron factor it out into a function

contain the mess

she

[calm heron]

import os
import random

def clear_console():
    os.system('cls' if os.name == 'nt' else 'clear')

def check_input(answer):
    if answer in yes_or_no:
        return True
    else:
        return False

yes_or_no = ["y", "n"]

while True:
    while True:

        uppercase = input("Should the password include uppercase letters?: ").strip().lower()
        lowercase = input("Should the password include lowercase letters?: ").strip().lower()
        numbers = input("Should the password include numbers?: ").strip().lower()
        special = input("Should the password include special characters?: ").strip().lower()

[vocal basin]

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    ...  # mess here

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    while True:
        ...  # one step of a mess here

[unique wyvern]

!paste

[wise cargo]

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[vocal basin]

uppercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include uppercase letters")
lowercase = prompt_bool(...)
...

[hybrid zenith]

def check_input(answer):
return answer in yes_or_n

[vocal basin]

this makes it so that it doesn't restart the process each time

check one by one

this is probably meant to be interactive

True if yes
False if no

no other option for return

yeah, validate in a loop

no return until valid input is provided

also, yes that final step should be a function itself

[unique wyvern]

def generate_password(uppercase, lowercase, ...)

[calm heron]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/BIRA

[vocal basin]

oh I have such an amazing way to overengineer it (not for beginners, obviously)

with DI

but that's going to be way too much, I assume

[hybrid zenith]

DI?

[vocal basin]

okay, because I'm already not rushing through RoR fast enough, I will implement it just for show

[unique wyvern]

def get_player_input(player):
    while True:
        answer = str(input(f"{player}, Rock, Paper or Scissors? \n")).lower()
        if check_input(answer):
            break
    clear_console()

[vocal basin]

True is (True == that == True) is True

is True actually makes more sense than == True

but you rarely ever need that

[unique wyvern]

if a == apple or orange:

[vocal basin]

!e

print(1 is True)
print(True is True)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | /home/main.py:1: SyntaxWarning: "is" with 'int' literal. Did you mean "=="?
002 |   print(1 is True)
003 | False
004 | True

[vocal basin]

None, True, False, ..., ints from -5 to 255

[unique wyvern]

!or-gotcha

[wise cargo]

The or-gotcha

When checking if something is equal to one thing or another, you might think that this is possible:

# Incorrect...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

While this makes sense in English, it may not behave the way you would expect. In Python, you should have complete instructions on both sides of the logical operator.

So, if you want to check if something is equal to one thing or another, there are two common ways:

# Like this...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or favorite_fruit == 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

# ...or like this.
if favorite_fruit in ('grapefruit', 'lemon'):
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

[unique wyvern]

if a instead of if a == True

if not a instead of if a == False

[calm heron]

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    while True:
        if prompt is True:

uppercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include uppercase letters?: ")
lowercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include lowercase letters?: ")
numbers = prompt_bool("Should the password include numbers?: ")
special = prompt_bool("Should the password include special characters?: ")

[unique wyvern]

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    while True:
        user_input = input(prompt)
        if user_input.lower().startswith("y"):
            return True
        if user_input.lower().startswith("n"):
            return False
        print(user_input, "is not a valid response")

[calm heron]

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    while True:
        user_input = input(prompt)
        if user_input.lower().startswith("y"):
            return True
            break
        if user_input.lower().startswith("n"):
            return False
            break


uppercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include uppercase letters?: ")
lowercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include lowercase letters?: ")
numbers = prompt_bool("Should the password include numbers?: ")
special = prompt_bool("Should the password include special characters?: ")

[unique wyvern]

dispatch = {
  "y": func_1,
  "n": prompt_bool,
}
dispatch[user_response]()

[vocal basin]

(removed underscore)

what a horrifying creation

[vocal basin]

not sure if this is readable, but it at least somewhat works

[unique wyvern]

!e

my_foo = object()
print(my_foo.__dict__)

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     print(my_foo.__dict__)
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | AttributeError: 'object' object has no attribute '__dict__'. Did you mean: '__dir__'?

[calm heron]

@ECHO OFF
@Setlocal EnableDelayedExpansion

Rem | Configuration
Rem | Address - The Address You Wish To PING
Rem | PingAmount - The Amount Of Times To Ping Each Cycle
set "Address=google.com"
set "PingAmount=10"

:LOOP
Set "SUM1=0"
Set "SUM2=0"
Set "WHOLE=0"
Set "MEAN=0"
Set "RUN=0"
set "MAX=0"
Set "TOTAL=0"

Echo Waiting For Ping Data...

Rem | Change The Ping Command To Strings
FOR /F "tokens=1-4,5,*" %%A in ('Ping -n %PingAmount% "%Address%" ^| Find /I "Reply"') DO (

    Rem | This is optional; Will Display Whole "Ping"
    Echo %%A %%B %%C %%D [%%E] %%F

    Rem | Grab Only "Time="
    FOR /F "tokens=1,* delims==" %%G in ('echo %%E') DO (

        Rem | Edit "Time=" String To Extract Only The Time
        Set "String=%%H"
        Set String=!String:ms=!%

        Rem | Do Math
        IF "!WHOLE!"=="2" (

            Rem | Compare Strings & Sort
            If "!SUM1!"=="!String!" (

                Set "MAX=!Sum1!"
                Set "MIN=!String!"

            ) ELSE (

                Rem | Find Largest
                for %%A in (!SUM1!, !String!) do (
                    set n=%%A
                    if !n! GTR !MAX! set MAX=!n!
                )

                Rem | Find Smallest
                for %%A in (!SUM1!, !String!) do (
                    set n=%%A
                    if !n! LSS !MAX! set MIN=!n!
                )
                Rem | Subtract 1st string from new
                Set /a "SUM2=!MAX!-!MIN!"

            )

            Rem | Add Each Differences
            Set /a "TOTAL=TOTAL+!SUM2!"

            Rem | Save Last Response
            Set "SUM1=!String!"

        ) ELSE (

            Rem | First Cycle, Set First String
            Set "SUM1=!String!"

            Rem | Disable This Check
            Set "WHOLE=2"

        )
    )
)
Rem | Do Math
Set /a "TRESULTS=!PingAmount!-1"
set /a "MEAN=!TOTAL!/!TRESULTS!"

Rem | Display Jitter
Echo The Jitter For The Above Arry Is: Jitter=!MEAN!ms
Echo(
goto LOOP

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern because __slots__

[unique wyvern]

!e

class Foo: pass
my_foo = Foo()
print(my_foo.__dict__)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{}

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JzutbwmsQ4

[vocal basin]

YES = ["y", "ye", "yes", "yep", "yas"]
NO = ["n", "no", "not"]

def prompt(s):
    def inner(t):
        if t is bool:
            while True:
                i = input(s).strip().lower()
                if i in YES:
                    return True
                if i in NO:
                    return False
                print("idk")
        raise TypeError
    return inner

def auto(f):
    def inner():
        return f(**{k: v.__metadata__[0](v.__origin__) for k, v in f.__annotations__.items()})
    return inner

[unique wyvern]

my_string.lower()

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern it captures s

OpalMist-compatible code

[versed pelican]

what are you guys talking about?

[vocal basin]

ugh

(duplicate suggestion)

so far suggested: 🇫🇷🇮🇹🇮🇹🇫🇷

[wise loom]

you really like flags, how nice

☕ ?

[vocal basin]

this is such a hack

def is_bool_type[T](t: type[T]) -> TypeGuard[Callable[[bool], T]]:
    return t is bool

def prompt[T](s: str) -> Callable[[type[T]], T]:
    @wraps(prompt)
    def inner(t: type[T]) -> T:
        if is_bool_type(t):
            while True:
                i = input(s).strip().lower()
                if i in YES:
                    return t(True)
                if i in NO:
                    return t(False)
                print("idk")
        raise TypeError

    return inner

🇺🇸 pepperoni 🇮🇹

one of unsafe operations

[unique wyvern]

lowercase = "abc"
uppercase = "ABC"
numbers = "123"
symbols = "!@#"

[calm heron]

random_letter_upper = chr(random.randint(ord('A'), ord('Z')))
random_letter_lower = chr(random.randint(ord('a'), ord('z')))
random_integer = random.randint(1, 10)
special_characters = string.punctuation
random_special = random.choice(special_characters)

[unique wyvern]

chars_to_pick_from = ""

if user wants lowercase:
    chars_to_pick_from += lowercase

!e

from random import choices
print(choices(range(10), k=5))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[0, 1, 5, 9, 8]

[unique wyvern]

!e

from random import choices
print(choices("abc123!@#ABC", k=25))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['!', 'B', '1', 'b', 'B', '2', 'A', '2', 'b', 'b', '2', '!', 'A', '2', '#', '#', '#', 'b', 'c', 'C', 'c', '#', '3', 'A', 'b']

[unique wyvern]

!e

from secrets import choices
print(choices("123abc", k=5))

[vocal basin]

yeah, was about to say

[calm heron]

https://www.practicepython.org/

[vocal basin]

you can actually provide a different source of randomness for random

what you deal with by default is a global singleton with whatever fast-ish randomness

timing attacks likely

or whatever

!d random.SystemRandom

[wise cargo]

random.SystemRandom

class random.SystemRandom([seed])```
Class that uses the [`os.urandom()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html#os.urandom) function for generating random numbers from sources provided by the operating system. Not available on all systems. Does not rely on software state, and sequences are not reproducible. Accordingly, the [`seed()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/random.html#random.seed) method has no effect and is ignored. The [`getstate()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/random.html#random.getstate) and [`setstate()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/random.html#random.setstate) methods raise [`NotImplementedError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#NotImplementedError) if called.

[vocal basin]

@calm heron it's not always meaningful, actually; sometimes that just only annoys users

@unique wyvern urandom

!e

from random import SystemRandom

print(SystemRandom().choices([1, 2, 3], k=10))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 1, 3, 1]

[vocal basin]

this is secure-ish

SystemRandom is not default

because 1) it's an external resource 2) slow

!d random.Random

[wise cargo]

random.Random

class random.Random([seed])```
Class that implements the default pseudo-random number generator used by the [`random`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/random.html#module-random) module.

Changed in version 3.11: Formerly the *seed* could be any hashable object. Now it is limited to: `None`, [`int`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int), [`float`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#float), [`str`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str), [`bytes`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#bytes), or [`bytearray`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#bytearray).

Subclasses of `Random` should override the following methods if they wish to make use of a different basic generator:

[vocal basin]

yeah

secrets sources from urandom

PyNaCl in its utils uses urandom for random bytes

just re-exports from os

https://linux.die.net/man/4/urandom

@unique wyvern

,

[unique wyvern]

from random import SystemRandom, choices

import random

random.choices

[vocal basin]

meanwhile Ruby on Rails tries to auto-import everything

Ruby is extensible

RoR is kind of its own language

RoR is web+mvc+orm+whatever else

kind of like django but not ugly

(DHH, author of RoR, considers Python as a whole ugly)

[unique wyvern]

class Hello
   
   def initialize( name )
      @name = name.capitalize
   end

   end
  end
 end
end

[vocal basin]

language designed to be ugly
C++?

[vocal basin]

[](){}

[vocal basin]

https://pypi.org

PyPA

@unique wyvern PyPA (org) is technically not Python directly, but it is under PSF

Python Packaging Authority

the word “authority” in the name was meant to be a joke

[calm heron]

import random
import string

def prompt_bool(prompt: str) -> bool:
    while True:
        user_input = input(prompt)
        if user_input.lower().startswith("y"):
            return True
        if user_input.lower().startswith("n"):
            return False

uppercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include uppercase letters?: ")
lowercase = prompt_bool("Should the password include lowercase letters?: ")
numbers = prompt_bool("Should the password include numbers?: ")
special = prompt_bool("Should the password include special characters?: ")
length = int(input("How long should the password be?: "))

random_letter_upper = string.ascii_uppercase
random_letter_lower = string.ascii_lowercase
random_integer = list(str(range(10)))
special_characters = string.punctuation

char_list = []

if uppercase is True:
    char_list += random_letter_upper
if lowercase is True:
    char_list += random_letter_lower
if numbers is True:
    char_list += random_integer
if special is True:
    char_list += special_characters

print(''.join(random.SystemRandom().choices(char_list, k=length)))

[vocal basin]

!d string.digits

[wise cargo]

string.digits

string.digits```
The string `'0123456789'`.

[vocal basin]

!e

print(list(str(range(10))))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['r', 'a', 'n', 'g', 'e', '(', '0', ',', ' ', '1', '0', ')']

[vocal basin]

I don't think you meant that

[vocal basin]

!e

print(list(map(str, range(10))))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['0', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9']

[vocal basin]

run just digits

nnyn

[paper wolf]

opal most isn't here wierd .....

[calm heron]

!e

random_integer = list(map(str, range(10)))

[wise cargo]

:warning: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[calm heron]

!e

print(list(map(str, range(10))))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['0', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9']

[vocal basin]

I've never written a single line of SmallTalk but so far this is the language Ruby reminds me the most of

having stuff like private be a method rather than a keyword

-ish

I can do this (unformatted)

or this

it also doesn't require () when calling

what I think it means is that you're calling something like a method on the concept of a class itself

@unique wyvern in_out_quart very much train motion vibes

acceleration/deceleration

7-hour timescale, yes

circ is coordinate<->coordinate, not angle<->coordinate, right?

(why it goes up to inf speed)

yeah, that

coord to coord

it's actually probably guessable from motion itself even without the name

because not many curves have inf speed

I've just realised, it's kind of possible to do some sort of parallaxy stuff with those random walks drawings OpalMist was making

maybe slightly more doable with a more pure randomised variant (how I'm doing)

[vocal basin]

like introducing depth to this https://parrrate.github.io/quack/

I actually installed (did I? already forgot) Rust specifically to do graphics on the main PC

because it's currently the only one with a real GPU and okay CPU

@unique wyvern not really

initially it prefers empty space

then it starts some metamorphoses with its structure

its fundamental properties change over time

towards its heat death, it turns into waves

first it starts these small rotations

some stuff slowly turns into vortices

stuff in the bottom left looks too space-like

random gas clouds

third coordinate based on time of when it was painted/updated

so that it draws in front of it, layer by layer, rather than overwriting in-place

huh
I haven't seen this happen before

it, like, spawned as two straight-ish lines

eventually dissolved

but it was a very rapidly growing structure

two structures

at the same time

I should start saving seeds for replayability

it's starting to crash against itself, so soon is expected to turn into waves

although waves might've been happening on different settings

(definitely different settings, older recording)

it moves at such a slow pace there

30 minutes, it rotated colours a bunch but didn't restructure much

I used to have photosensitive something but hasn't been showing symptoms recently

minesweeper mine should explode the whole terminal

no chording?

in minesweeper

or middle click

ah

middle click

original binding

yes

okay, so, another nuance: mine count drops to 0 after completion

because I don't flag mines often

there's an existing metric for efficiency

3BV/click

3BV is trivial (compared to ZiNi) to calculate because no flags

ZiNi is the estimated minimum including flags

yeah, otherwise flags are useless

this is what fast minesweeping looks like:
https://minesweeper.online/game/3753839970

(there is replay)

it's left-click there

not middle

regular

and this is what 124% efficiency looks like
https://minesweeper.online/game/3253718315

215 3BV in 173 clicks

I think top players do around 150% eff

I did sub-60, and that's the record so far

sub-90 is normal for me

above 100 is excessively slow

if I end up with >100, that means something went wrong

(when aiming for anything other than efficiency)

even big maps are played mostly using speed techniques rather than calculation
https://minesweeper.online/game/3266180505

2183

1.36% winrate when played perfectly

(which is approx. six 50-50 per game)

determining if a field is solvable is probably NP-hard or even NP-complete

within certain number of clicks

[vocal basin]

the mode where scrolling speed is part of what affects the strategy

as soon as possible

otherwise wastes time, a lot

it's all or nothing, there is no half-solved

only gets rewarded with extra exp

rewarded compensated

long-term it just becomes a statistics game

if you aren't aiming for 2 wins in 100 consecutive tries, sacrificing win rate per game for win rate per time also makes sense

taking unproved risks early to improve times

[unique wyvern]

1 2 3 4
1 1

[vocal basin]

if the rendering is separate enough from logic, it should be possible to integrate it with the PvP API

(just a WebSocket stream of events)

((very undocumented stream))

there is a plain text single source file JavaScript front-end working with the API

(collected from several places in code)

// premove acknowledgement
const { x, y, open } = data.Pre;
// opened cell
const { x, y, number } = data.Open;
// someone became an active player
const { you, time_yours, time_theirs } = data.Active;
// someone lost
const { win, time_yours, time_theirs } = data.End;
// connection established
const { session, hash } = data.Session;
// opponent arrived
const { rating, hash, score_own, score_opponent, game_id } = data.Opponent;

there is 4D minesweeper

I haven't heard of any with more complex adjacency rules

[vocal basin]

I think the only thing on the game field itself which isn't part of regular minesweeper here is premoves

because chess clock

whoever runs out of time, loses

no other normal loss conditions

in this variant, yes

by premoving you ensure that the opponent's time keeps ticking down

because it never becomes your turn if you have premoves

chess.com actually takes 0.1 from you

and lichess doesn't allow more than one premove

[vocal basin]

each mine halves the remaining time

invent your own solitaire

like Zachtronics did

[vocal basin]

several times

[vocal basin]

minesweeper solitaire

[vocal basin]

their variants also had some sort of special meaning behind the mechanics

in one of them you'd be separating non-numbers (aristocrats) and numbers (proletariat)

yes

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1988540/The_Zachtronics_Solitaire_Collection/

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[vocal basin]

it's quite confusing initially, but possible to get used to

some cards are very similar to each other

(when compared in full rather than just the top side, that one is different enough)

[vocal basin]

I think the front-end still supports live-reload and other unusual-for-games things

done in one of the dumbest ways possible

literally just replacing the whole page, not some granular piece of it

(because why bother optimising if it works fine as is)

I'm trying to see how this actually works mathematically

there is a semi-invariant seemingly

I do understand how it works I think

you can move start or end from start to end of another

[unique wyvern]

(a, b) (b, c) -> (a, c) (b, c)

[vocal basin]

graph flows down itself

there is some intuitive understanding of why it should end

but not sure how to formalise it

probably simpler to think of it given it's always a tree

(always connected, always N-1 edges => tree)

((very dumb proof why tree-ness is an invariant))

would edges collapse or stay duplicated?

it should stay directed acyclic somehow

if it starts directed acyclic, I think it's kind of easy to show why it stays such

there is always a point, towards which no arrows go

that is probably important

so, we ignore that point for a while,
eventually we have to remove one outgoing arrow, because the rest of the graph ends up immutable by induction
(or we just remove one arrow before that)

that that point eventually loses all its arrows but one

[vocal basin]

"the rest of the graph" being one or more subgraphs if we were to drop this point

all operations not involving that point keep all arrows within those individual subgraphs

because an edge cannot leap across connectivity components

[vocal basin]

@unique wyvern yes, this seems to be the main thing

those two points, initial and final, are critical to demonstrating why it works

(well, mostly only initial, unless you want to invert time)

[unique wyvern]

ah, i found my notes, shortest game on 8 nodes

longest game

shortest game on n nodes is (2n - 4)

longest game on n nodes is (n - 1)(n - 2)

[vocal basin]

I might've seen this or very similar proof before

I think we had to prove something almost same at school

ah, it wasn't really that

but

[unique wyvern]

Tail move: b←a→c⇝a→b→c

One can imagine the tail of the edge (a, c) following the edge (a, b), such that the edge (a, c) is replaced by the edge (b, c). (Or by symmetry we could make the other tail move replacing (a,b) with (c, b))

Head move: a→b→c⇝b→c←a

One can imagine the head of the edge (a,b) following the edge (b,c), such that the edge (a, b) is replaced by the edge (a,c).

[vocal basin]

the question was:
given N nodes where each is connected to each with one-way edge, prove that

1. there exists a node, from which you can reach any other in no more than 2 edges
2. given N>=3, you can flip at most one edge to ensure each node can be reached from all others

both were probably solved using induction

(I don't remember)

[unique wyvern]

i remember i had to prove the 5-color theorem

(obviously not proving 4-color theorem as an undergrad)

graph theory proofs were fun for me back then

[vocal basin]

we might've done that in school but not as part of the main curriculum

some professor from MIPT likes graphs quite a lot and sometimes gave lectures about them

especially colouring-related stuff

[unique wyvern]

one semester a professor just randomly offered graph theory

so i jumped in

[vocal basin]

we just had graphs randomly throughout

often coming up during other topics

[unique wyvern]

i can't remember if i touched graphs in any other classes

probably i did a bit in some lin alg classes

[vocal basin]

I just saw some game-related question

which I can't instantly answer

probably because the game is infinite

two players pick ranges of real numbers,
each next range must be a subset of the previous one,
if the intersection is a single rational number, first player wins,
otherwise second player wins

the question is who wins when playing optimally

(after infinite turns)

intuitively, second player should win

[unique wyvern]

this feels like nim but more evil

[vocal basin]

infinim

[vocal basin]

just by ensuring non-repetition of digits in response to whatever happens

[vocal basin]

important correction: strict subset

otherwise first player wins on turn 1

just picking range from 0 to 0

[unique wyvern]

hm, maybe force start and end of range to be diifferent

[vocal basin]

yeah, that might be better, since it's a weaker requirement than strict subsetness+non-sabotage-rule

[unique wyvern]

i can't think of a way for player 1 to win though

[vocal basin]

(ignoring all the digits before the . point; representing numbers in binary)
player 2 strat:
find any prefix such that all numbers with such prefix fit into the range picked by player 1,
double the prefix in length with only 0s or 1s (whichever occurs less in the found prefix)
double the prefix in length with only 0s or 1s (alternating across p2's moves)

rational numbers need infinitely repeating chunks of digits

and this doesn't allow that

wait, no, there is easier to prove option

fixed

ensures there are arbitrarily long sequences of 0s and arbitrarily long sequences of 1s

maybe don't even take into account whatever p1 did

(almost)

((only picking the prefix that is valid, but ignoring the length of it))

[unique wyvern]

just pick a range at random

couldn't be me

[vocal basin]

with good enough randomness, that will work, yes

in 100% of cases

probably time for me to go
(already morning)

[unique wyvern]

that's time to wake up

tell your sleep it's confused

but also good night

[icy raptor]

hi

[wise cargo]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[somber heath]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

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```

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[icy raptor]

Sorry, I am a beginner and I don't know how to use the API key.

[somber heath]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[marble pendant]

git nuked nerd

break

[icy raptor]

sorry my english is bad because I am from indonesian

[somber heath]

Your English isn't as bad as you may imagine.

[icy raptor]

thank you:)

[shrewd warren]

@somber heath

[somber heath]

@last ingot 👋

[calm heron]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[last ingot]

hey dude

great resource here, never knew python had a server

😄

print("hello world")

[calm heron]

!e

print("Hello World!")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hello World!

[icy raptor]

lontong

!e

print("hello")```

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

hello

[icy raptor]

bakwan

[wind raptor]

Gulai Otak

[hybrid latch]

hi

[icy raptor]

hello

[wind raptor]

@hybrid latch

[icy raptor]

🙂

i make this when im bored

[inner hill]

hi,Opal

[hybrid latch]

hi

[somber heath]

https://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Chindogu-Toilet-Paper-Roll-Hat.jpg

[inner hill]

Hey,Millen you once said you worked in hospital at casualty , i am right or i am hallucinating @peak depot

[peak depot]

I use to

[somber heath]

@white torrent 👋

[last ingot]

i cant talk

lol

im new here

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[last ingot]

until then im have fun

🙂

!e print("hello world")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

hello world

[last ingot]

i want to scrap job sites with python

anyone know if there are sites that store them in a database of some sort already ?

indeed api

now a days theres alot of bloat jobs

and just looking for attention for their company

its so hard to deal with

😄

networking is a big thing, also its the aesethetic part people want nowadays

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-okay-then-aight-gif-13383344606577294081

something

oh my keyboard was messed up

but yeeh i want to be involved with microsot some day

im not a programmer

more of ssolutions and tech

"Troubeshoot the cloud"

with python - is something i want to learn

thus why im here

!user

[wise cargo]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[frozen shore]

guys i know this make me embrassed but python is good for software enginner? because i am beginner of programming and python is very easy for me

[last ingot]

or troubelshooting error codes that a ssystem cant handle or is confused about

31 msgs and 20 more to go!!

less gooo

[somber heath]

It's one answer to a question that can be answered in many different ways.

[frozen shore]

how?

[last ingot]

nothing is embarasing with questions, python is a good language, programming from how i understand is bbuilding stuff for a use case

[somber heath]

Is it good? Yes. Just remember: For each problem, the tool best suited to solving it.

[last ingot]

if you have a use case and python does it, how well does it do it ?

doess aanother lanugage do it? aree there dependencies supporting it ? or do you need another language ?

i hope im explaiining it well

[frozen shore]

i agree with you

[last ingot]

not me

Im trying to help the individuals questions

🍮

are you a coder ?

[frozen shore]

you ask me?

[last ingot]

im in vc sorry

i cant talk so i have to text

whats not special ?

[frozen shore]

oh ok that's ok

sorry

[last ingot]

no problem

itss ok

[somber heath]

This is the accompanying text channel to the voice chat. You're welcome to join the voice channel with us.

@bleak sleet 👋

[last ingot]

you cant talk ass well i see

😄

its only me :

2 more messages

right now

[frozen shore]

thanks but my english is little bit broken if i talk to you guys is that ok for you? 😅

[last ingot]

i ask alot of questions in vc

lol

my mechanical keyboard issues

some keys aree doouble typing

its annoying so ive let it be

i have to be here for 3 days now

50 msgs compleeted ✅ , 3 days in server 😒

[somber heath]

@bleak sleet #media-processing message

[modest shale]

hello

good

how are u guys

just exam are going on

yes i am

probably

what kind of project?

@somber heath u are in software dev right ?
what are black and white box testing

these question came in previous years

do u @bleak sleet ? know ?

just a little bit

i am googling now

guys my fellow frd working on this website can u give me a quick review
https://vlop.fun/

its for a movie but ads free

i dont really understand, and u probaly dont watch movie @somber heath

that was guesss lmao

yeah there are just lot of ads everywhere
so just clean ui with no ads

that was the idea

yeah that will keep in mind

like watch history

my friend

yeah its still processing

the devlopment is still improving

like the hd quality source are still adding

idk probably no money

thats why he turn off add

and its probably going to open source

soon probably

i guess thats 1 idea

no I am sorry

yeah he really is inspiring for me also

see ya

see ya! @somber heath

[fluid wagon]

yeah

i see

[somber heath]

@native lantern 👋

[ornate terrace]

hello sir @somber heath

[somber heath]

@keen widget 👋

[upper basin]

principle of computational equivalence

https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/p1--an-outline-of-basic-ideas/

https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/p6--an-outline-of-basic-ideas/

[somber heath]

@atomic tinsel 👋

[atomic tinsel]

Hello

Does writing here

Help

With speaking

Points

[somber heath]

@olive basin 👋

@atomic tinsel #media-processing message

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[somber heath]

@chilly parcel 👋

[ornate terrace]

hello

ya my mic is not working

wow damm voice

[vocal basin]

even some books are free

in pdf form, usually

(not necessarily the best format for reading)

calibre can reinterpret pdf as epub, but that ends up kind of ugly

(for that to work, it needs to be properly laid out semantically, not just geometrically)

[eternal ether]

there are some great books on kindle for free if you have the kindle subscription as well. i've snagged some cool Pythong w/ Langgraph books on there

so not technically free but cheaper then parma w/ chips

nod to @somber heath

[next blade]

hey