voice-chat-text-0

[umbral mauve]

just in case

[echo bison]

@woeful blaze is there any way you can explain a class for me ive watched countless tutorials but i still dont know what ```python
self.
init
args
kwargs

i really cannot get them

ive tried it all lmao

you can too opal

i just need help

[icy raptor]

You have been on the server for less than 3 days.

i got this

sorry i have to go

bye!

[peak depot]

@chilly wolf it´s cutting out

[umbral mauve]

hello

[peak depot]

https://www.amazon.com/air-conditioned-jacket/s?k=air+conditioned+jacket

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/working-dont-wanna-work-firebringer-i-dont-really-wanna-do-the-work-today-gif-15596003

[vocal basin]

soon

[atomic tinsel]

Hi

How many messages do i need to be able to txt here

I mean have voice

Can i text here?

And get points?

[vocal basin]

it's not about "points", it's about having meaningful conversations

[vocal basin]

also I think when you wrote that you already had >50 messages

so just #voice-verification

[somber heath]

@verbal token 👋

[verbal token]

hey wsp

[verbal token]

joined cuz i wanted to learn how to code

looking for anyone that could help me

i got alot of stuff in mind

[somber heath]

@normal scaffold 👋

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[verbal token]

ohh

sorry

[somber heath]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[verbal token]

@somber heath how long have u been coding for?

holy

are u rich yet?

u could get so many good jobs

oh

my fault

@somber heath so your fluent in python?

[somber heath]

@sudden coral 👋

[verbal token]

why do they make it like this

[verbal token]

are u a mod?

so your here everyday?

you are then i will be here too

wow

huh?

wow man

it was great meeting you

your a good man

how old are you? @somber heath

can i guess?

54

close?

cmon just gimmie a hint

55

i bet its correct

also can u teach me how to code

please

python

when can u?

oh

back in the days people had to read books to learn how to code right

?

[inner hill]

Also github code also ,if it's open source

[somber heath]

@cosmic breach 👋

[inner hill]

https://github.com/python/cpython

i meant ,the original source code of python itself

Python is built is C language mostly,right
@somber heath

[somber heath]

@opaque vapor 👋

@maiden mesa 👋

[inner hill]

what was that ?

ok

[grand fjord]

!user

[wise cargo]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[wind raptor]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[vocal basin]

@faint raven do you appreciate how nonsensical the last answer to you in #off-topic-lounge-text is?
they're almost matching the absurdity of the question itself

when are we getting GPGPT

[worthy flame]

@halcyon rock

[vocal basin]

general purpose GPT

@wind raptor iPhone 17 every year?

iPhone 17 1 iPhone 17 2 iPhone 17 3

@wind raptor again?

it was given out free before

so they do repeat

[stray pewter]

@wind raptor Good evening! 👋

good

hbu

crying

lol

my repo has 0 stars!

and no views

not really

[vocal basin]

use it your other projects

[stray pewter]

its something I would want people to use in the future

and work on

i know

[vocal basin]

I think people are more likely to use something you made if you use it yourself

[stray pewter]

daily dive?

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor Daily

[stray pewter]

ohh yeah I saw this

also im working on setting up on fiverr

"I've suffered enough"

thats funny

[vocal basin]

is that selection for experience or professional experience?

[stray pewter]

experience

[vocal basin]

I can claim 16 years of experience if we stretch the definition of experience hard enough

or 18

[stray pewter]

i can claim 5 years of experience if I count non professional expo

[vocal basin]

I actually don't remember

[stray pewter]

but im 14 so I cant have pro expo

I am

smth like that

well its nearly correct

[stray pewter]

still works tho

I can ask my parents for their permission to create a fiverr acount

and stuff

brb

[vocal basin]

are you ready to compensate the client monetarily if you end up doing such a bad job that they can legally make you do so?

[wind raptor]

https://help.fiverr.com/hc/en-us/articles/32243570935313-Community-Standards-Minors-policy

[stray pewter]

true

I need that 60 second average response time

can I see your page?

I honestly dont remember

can I not see the page

ohh alright

mb

[inland gale]

he

guys i need sometips to start with python

[vocal basin]

official tutorial is still one of the best resources

[mystic river]

Guys is it normal for Engineers to present in front of CEOs?

Like CEOs of 100 year old companies

[stray pewter]

@sharp summit Where are you getting your traing data corpuses from?

[sharp summit]

torch_geometric

[wind raptor]

Presenting what?

[stray pewter]

damm

i did a upwork project thing up

like an advanced code support

The requests I would get!

cause some guy said he wanted to learn how to make a bank account managment software

[vocal basin]

make sure to implement those shady projects on debian without most of the default packages

[stray pewter]

and he wanted to add some features to make it basically steal bank data

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor

[stray pewter]

what the hell

Hey I wanna make this school project, it basicly just takes your discord and bank session tokens and sends it to a telegram channel

yeah its not illegal and its for school

[wind raptor]

It's either that or "do my homework for me"

[stray pewter]

yeah

do your own damm homework

[vocal basin]

(I edited the missing part in which was VC context so the joke works)

@wind raptor "Mr. Beauddhist"

@jagged grotto English please

@minor snow speculative evolution

[jagged grotto]

Speculative evolution, also known as speculative biology or speculative zoology, is a genre of science fiction and an artistic movement that explores hypothetical scenarios in the evolution of life, both on Earth and in other possible worlds. It involves creating fictional creatures and ecosystems based on the principles of evolutionary biology, often exploring alternative evolutionary pathways and outcomes.

[vocal basin]

i.e. attempting to apply principles of evolution to hypothetical scenarios

I wouldn't call C++ good compared to Python

it's a mess

some dialects of C++ are okay

but the language is a whole is not just bad, it's wrong

@jagged grotto Python is based on C not C++

not really

hand-written C is faster than hand-written Assembly, in general

counter-intuitive but true

C compilers outperform humans most of the time

Fortran, back in 1950s was faster than hand-written machine code

that was the whole point

Fortran was already an optimising compiler

IronPython

.NET

Jython

JVM

[rotund fjord]

I heard that C++ back then was nicer than now

[vocal basin]

@jagged grotto IronPython is C#-related iirc

[vocal basin]

in a sense

it had missing pieces

some of them were added

but also a bunch of junk was added

[rotund fjord]

also that US government wanted developers and software engineers to not use it a lot

since it lots of memory vulnarabilities if used incorrectly

[vocal basin]

C++ is becoming gradually becoming just Rust but worse

[rotund fjord]

a lot of video games use C++

such as Minecraft Bedrock

[vocal basin]

famously bad re-implementation

but that's more of a second-system syndrome

[rotund fjord]

even AI is not that good at C++

[vocal basin]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/inline-assembly.html

[rotund fjord]

had a friend that tried to use it on a school assignment and did horribly

[vocal basin]

I've known enough C++ to understand most of the code for quite a long time

but in the last couple years I re-learned it from standards and guidelines

instead of courses

@jagged grotto turtle is almost like CRT

[late spoke]

I can't hear anyone for some reason

[vocal basin]

the way old monitors used to render stuff

[wind raptor]

There are people talking

[vocal basin]

you just have one beam which goes around the screen

and that renders everything

[rotund fjord]

Old CRT monitors render images using a stream of electrons fired at a phosphor-coated screen. This process creates vibrant colors, but the technology also has limitations like low resolution, curved screens, and potential issues with text clarity. Modern LCDs offer higher resolutions and flatter screens, making them preferable for most modern computing tasks.

Quote from gemini

[late spoke]

yeah that is why I'm wondering.. I can't hear anything at all.

[vocal basin]

can you use HDR on a CRT?

[late spoke]

I guess maybe its a temporary glitch

I will come back later

take care everyone

[wind raptor]

Check your settings

[rotund fjord]

bye

what does "snek" role mean?

ok

[vocal basin]

sound explosion

[late spoke]

oh nice catch! since I am using a different headphones, I forgot to switch

[vocal basin]

when are we making a startup to build HDR CRTs

[rotund fjord]

anyone here expert on using git bisect in python??

[vocal basin]

what are you using as a predicate to check if the code works?

are you using any dependencies?

are they declared in full?

if the project was born with uv in it, at least the problem of setting up the environment goes away

since you can just uv run ... and it will auto-sync the venv

[rotund fjord]

Thanks for jumping in! For the predicate, I’ve been using a custom Python test script that returns 0 on success and non-zero on failure. The script basically tries to run a few key functions and checks expected output. As for dependencies, yes—this project uses cryptography and PyNaCl, mostly for the Curve25519 and xsalsa20/poly1305 parts. Let me know if you think there's a better way to structure the bisect check or if something sounds off.

import sys
import nacl.secret
import nacl.utils
from cryptography.hazmat.primitives.asymmetric import x25519

def test_curve25519_key_exchange():
try:
private_key1 = x25519.X25519PrivateKey.generate()
private_key2 = x25519.X25519PrivateKey.generate()
shared_key1 = private_key1.exchange(private_key2.public_key())
shared_key2 = private_key2.exchange(private_key1.public_key())
return shared_key1 == shared_key2
except Exception as e:
print(f"Curve25519 key exchange failed: {e}")
return False

def test_xsalsa20_encryption():
try:
key = nacl.utils.random(nacl.secret.SecretBox.KEY_SIZE)
box = nacl.secret.SecretBox(key)
message = b"test message"
encrypted = box.encrypt(message)
decrypted = box.decrypt(encrypted)
return decrypted == message
except Exception as e:
print(f"XSalsa20 encryption failed: {e}")
return False

def main():
tests = [
test_curve25519_key_exchange,
test_xsalsa20_encryption
]
all_passed = True
for test in tests:
if not test():
all_passed = False

sys.exit(0 if all_passed else 1)

if name == "main":
main()

git bisect start
git bisect bad HEAD
git bisect good <known-good-commit>
git bisect run python test_predicate.py

got an email from the same friend that used the AI in C++

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor what

I didn't hear

[rotund fjord]

gave me his code and needed help in it. ran those commands

[vocal basin]

!source

[wise cargo]

Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[rotund fjord]

it's not mine'

[vocal basin]

something is off

if it was real code,

I would complain that there PyNaCl combined with non-PyNaCl code

*scold, not just complain

forgot that word

[rotund fjord]

my friend's code. The same guy who used AI in his C++ assignment 🤣

[vocal basin]

either trolling or funny coincidence

[rotund fjord]

funny coincidence

I guess

[vocal basin]

the entirety of my username comes from libsodium

which PyNaCl exposes

i.e.

if you see anything else used alongside PyNaCl which mentions those things, you're doing something wrong

[rotund fjord]

What the code does:

It checks if some important parts of your project are working right—like making secret keys and encrypting messages.

It uses two tools (Python libraries) called cryptography and PyNaCl.

If everything works, the code says “okay” by exiting with a 0. If something breaks, it exits with a 1.

should I just paste the full email?

[vocal basin]

that's way too BS for me to engage with

so I'd rather continue the uv rant

libsodium actually has somewhat weird distribution

I think the Rust bindings are dead by now

JS one was somewhat useable

and I think even official

@wind raptor it's pronounced salt

[rotund fjord]

Totally fair point.

[vocal basin]

I think

there was some weird stuff about the name too

[rotund fjord]

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

no

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor

[rotund fjord]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Google has failed me
????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[vocal basin]

use > when quoting AI

[rotund fjord]

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.>

[vocal basin]

To quote AI-generated text in a Discord message, you can use Markdown formatting. For single-line quotes, use a single ">" symbol followed by a space before the text. For multi-line quotes, use ">>>" followed by a space before the first line.

[rotund fjord]

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.

[vocal basin]

the last line there is a lie, btw

thank Google

just put > then space then paste the text

[rotund fjord]

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.

[vocal basin]

space is important

> this

[rotund fjord]

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.

He was mixing in cryptography out of habit since it handles key exchange nicely, but yeah—if we’re fully bought into the Libsodium model via PyNaCl, it makes sense to stay consistent. Appreciate the correction.

[vocal basin]

that

[rotund fjord]

oh I got it now

thanks

ok

Ah, got it. Their message is basically saying: “If you’re already using PyNaCl—which exposes the Libsodium API—then bringing in other crypto libraries (like cryptography) to work with the same primitives (Curve25519, XSalsa20, Poly1305) is unnecessary or incorrect.”

It’s kind of a purist take: stick to Libsodium via PyNaCl and don’t mix ecosystems.

[vocal basin]

in my experience, the only times I had to debug git history was when the environment was so broken there was no way to save it in-place

so, usually, that means uv wasn't used

[rotund fjord]

You could say I was a bit too agnostic with the tooling. Mixing cryptography and PyNaCl isn’t inherently wrong in a general Python project—but in a context where everything’s intentionally Libsodium-based (like your collaborator’s setup), it can definitely raise eyebrows. So yeah, recommending a hybrid approach might not have matched the design philosophy or expectations there.

I think ai is not very "helpful" when realizing its mistakes until someone points it out.

but thanks at least I know he used ai to make it.

neither do I

[vocal basin]

I'm talking about how everyone should use uv

speaking of, where's Zeptofine

uv+ruff+that set of lints

ugh another Rust one

maybe

[rotund fjord]

I am going to look up everything you said on google because I am completely confused and ai is not helping me understand.

[vocal basin]

I'm fine with default VSCode Python

[rotund fjord]

peace out

[vocal basin]

my projects aren't yet exploding with complexity

burn them down

I don't actually run any CI on Python code I write yet

only Rust

ugh

wait a sec

wait I'll find

@wind raptor unfucktoring

one function

and it does one thing

it's very flat

it's, like

12 cases

it goes through ~1/12th of a function each time

it's a very simple function

just big

mostly because of inline SQL

I'd rather not

it will be worse

actually unmaintainable

[vocal basin]

caused by limitations of SQLite's query planner

@wind raptor I need each statement in code

proc macro

I will eventually make codegen for it

eh

no

you should rewrite it continuously

not wait until it rots

Rust with sqlx

statically checked SQL

even has type inference

I've written several hundred thousand lines by now I think

(including rewritten/discarded code)

I need to write a document for work

advocating for use of ULID over UUID

@wind raptor have you used ULID?

monotonically generated

byte-compatible

[vocal basin]

can be compared as strings

prefix is timestamp

suffix is cryptographic random

yeah, often that is better than pure randomness

@wind raptor that's a standard thing not a library thing

!d uuid.uuid1

[wise cargo]

uuid.uuid1

uuid.uuid1(node=None, clock_seq=None)```
Generate a UUID from a host ID, sequence number, and the current time. If *node* is not given, [`getnode()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/uuid.html#uuid.getnode) is used to obtain the hardware address. If *clock\_seq* is given, it is used as the sequence number; otherwise a random 14-bit sequence number is chosen.

[vocal basin]

!d uuid.uuid4

[wise cargo]

uuid.uuid4

uuid.uuid4()```
Generate a random UUID.

[vocal basin]

UUID4 has some invalid values

so it's not all 128 bit random

ULIDs are lexicographically sortable

which is where L in ULID comes from

ULIDs aren't designed for distribution

or rather not entirely

they do depend on local state

monotonicity is ensured within a single serialised context

meanwhile non-collision is ensured across such contexts

locally it's even simpler than random

locally it's guaranteed not only not to collide, but also to increase monotonically

@wind raptor shorter in text form, same in byte form

[vocal basin]

if you happen to generate 2**80 ULIDs in one millisecond, it will raise an error

just read the spec

it's small

https://github.com/ulid/spec

base32

10+22

from creator of JSON

(the encoding)

((the variant))

did you know that JSON used to have comments?

did you know that it also used to support no-quotes keys like JS itself?

{please: "don't"}

another reason for nuking those was ease of parsing

SIMD

I wonder if serde_json does any sort of excessive optimisation stuff

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor seems like i/L/o are accepted for decoding too

so it parses rather than rejecting

[vocal basin]

okay I'm now interested in what would be the most obscene word without those four letters

TOML doesn't like nesting

it's so weird

actually

this is invalid

key = {
  nested = "value"
}

I think

whereas this is okay

key = { nested = "value" }

and

this is okay

key = { nested = [
  "value"
] }

iirc

array inside objects for some reason allow newlines and objects themselves don't

or something like that

TOML disallows many things

ideologically opposed to YAML in a sense

[inland gale]

@vocal basin

can i ask you

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[vocal basin]

@midnight agate look at this

[inland gale]

@vocal basin
i just end learning basics i wan guaid

idk There are many fields, I don't know what to choose

[vocal basin]

@amber raptor yes, Rust stuff, if built right, can run on FROM scratch

[inland gale]

or what to do

[wise loom]

why does rockylinux care about a rust binary?

unless.. it's about glibc..

[vocal basin]

but you need to do it right

i.e. ditch libc and dynamic libs

[wise loom]

musl all the way..

[vocal basin]

and some people don't want to bother

cargo zigbuild to compile it

[inland gale]

ok sorry

[amber raptor]

I have no idea

[vocal basin]

you can just screenshot what I wrote, send them and see if they care

[wise loom]

i have been debugging a dumb program for the past 3h.
i am embarrassed..

[woeful blaze]

from panda3d.core import *
from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
from direct.actor.Actor import Actor

class MyGame_test(ShowBase):
def init(self):
self.scene = self.loader.loadModel("models/enviorment") #self.scene
#self.loader.loadModel("models/enviorment")
self.scene.reparentTo(self.render)

        self.player_model = Actor("models/panda")

        self.player_model.reparentTo(self.render)

game = MyGame_test()

game.run()

[wise loom]

but the program says anything? segfault or some type of exit code

[vocal basin]

try different things, pick what you want more

[wind raptor]

What is the error?

[vocal basin]

not found, possibly

[inland gale]

ok thanks

[amber raptor]

Seriously I have no clue but I couldn’t figure out why and could not care

[vocal basin]

favourite error of misrunning code

[vocal basin]

"Linux, maybe say WHAT not found"

is YAML Ruby-related?

[woeful blaze]

from panda3d.core import *
from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
from direct.actor.Actor import Actor

class MyGame_test(ShowBase):
    def __init__(self):
            self.scene = self.loader.loadModel("models/enviorment")
            self.scene.reparentTo(self.render)

            self.player_model = Actor("models/panda")

            self.player_model.reparentTo(self.render)

 """File "c:\Users\casti\Desktop\3d games\pana3dtestingenviorments.py", line 7, in __init__
    self.scene = self.loader.loadModel("models/enviorment")      
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'MyGame_test' object has no attribute 'loader"""
game = MyGame_test()

game.run()

[vocal basin]

I think my first time running into YAML was Rails

YAML is actually quite old

or quite new too

2001

[woeful blaze]

class MyApp(ShowBase):

def __init__(self):

    ShowBase.__init__(self)

[vocal basin]

YAML actually doesn't entirely align with Ruby

because it's an unintuitive mess sometimes

but

[vocal basin]

it tries to avoid stuff like that

at least

in DHH terms, TOML is more like Python, "pedantic"

[woeful blaze]

AttributeError: type object 'ShowBase' has no attribute 'init'

[vocal basin]

(in reference to the only Lex Friedman video I'd ever recommend watching)

regardless of whatever DHH believes in, it is quite important content

[woeful blaze]

OSError: Could not load model file(s): ['models/enviorment']

[vocal basin]

en-vior-ment
sounds French

environment

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/vagyIcmIGOQ

that

@woeful blaze you want two scripts to run at the same time?

environment

[vocal basin]

is unsupervised learning that thing which Sam Altman wanted to replace college with in his tweet

good

[wind raptor]

""thought leaders

[vocal basin]

this talk criticises that tweet
https://youtu.be/VzdVSMRu16g

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor actually, since you're a parent, I highly recommend watching this

collapsed into zero dimensions

(unsupervised)

but you can learn to walk before learning to crawl

imagine if food was real

[stray pewter]

I join back and all I hear is "The pickles will be ready"

without context its pretty funny

aww awsome

I love pickles

[vocal basin]

!d pickle

[wise cargo]

pickle

Source code: Lib/pickle.py

The pickle module implements binary protocols for serializing and de-serializing a Python object structure. “Pickling” is the process whereby a Python object hierarchy is converted into a byte stream, and “unpickling” is the inverse operation, whereby a byte stream (from a binary file or bytes-like object) is converted back into an object hierarchy. Pickling (and unpickling) is alternatively known as “serialization”, “marshalling,” [1] or “flattening”; however, to avoid confusion, the terms used here are “pickling” and “unpickling”.

[vocal basin]

too bad .jar extension was already taken

ohno I found https://pldb.io/

I should go through all of this at some point

only 5130 listed

not that much

[stray pewter]

a db for APL?

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor how I found it: I looked up "ham" PL

only 22 stars PL

[vocal basin]

APL stands for

[stray pewter]

its a db for apl

[vocal basin]

A Programming Language

[stray pewter]

ik

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor maybe like distrowatch?

[vocal basin]

@lavish rover Ocen missing plsfix

what

[wind raptor]

This is probably excellent marketing

[stray pewter]

I contributed over 1000 lines to FFMPEG

[vocal basin]

I contributed 1 line to rust-lang/futures

[stray pewter]

(FFMPEG is a module I made that is 1000 lines just to say "I contributed over 1000 lines to FFMPEG")

hehe

[vocal basin]

I recently discovered just how questionable a verb (gerund/continuous) derived from ffmpeg sounds

[stray pewter]

lol

[vocal basin]

!remind 12h tell about that to Finnish people

[wise cargo]

Not gonna happen.

Sorry, you can only do that in #bot-commands!

[stray pewter]

its a cool lib tho

[vocal basin]

aaa

okay

I will remember it myself

[stray pewter]

where are you from @vocal basin

(If I may ask)

[vocal basin]

libsodium

[stray pewter]

never heard of that country

in what continent is it?

[vocal basin]

pronounced salt

it's in fact not on a continent, it's a sea (C)

[stray pewter]

LMAO

[vocal basin]

someone needs to fill the pun void left by Hemlock

[stray pewter]

where is hemlock btw

[vocal basin]

time to drink another carbonated drink with mango

why is mango everywhere

[vocal basin]

(and chilli pepper)

[stray pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-monday-mango-monday-gif-17106688403887588229

[vocal basin]

I think I've gotten too used to (regular red) chili pepper and black pepper

not strong enough anymore

[stray pewter]

you need some ghost peppers

[vocal basin]

jalapeño is kind of the "normal" spicy level for me

I have a few hours in R6S

[wise loom]

Is this.. accurate?

[stray pewter]

god I wanna yapp rn

guys

imma head out

see you later!

👋

[vocal basin]

@versed heath I think I got up to something like Gold back when I played

but I kind of only have shooting and movement skills and no care for tactics

@versed heath 2 IQ? how did pick the same character twice?

[short owl]

some of those Oreilly books are hard to get @wise loom

[vocal basin]

I was Ash/Kali maining in ATK, for context

ironsights gaming on Ash

and ironsights Ela in DEF

kind of just Ash equivalent

@wind raptor civ: beyond the desync

eh

I view this games more like for-fun games

like, if you're playing PvE especially

[sleek otter]

do you guys have github?

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

brb

back

not back

still broken

allegedly alive

ugh

I switched to a second VPN

not sure if it's better

[whole bear]

hi all

haven't coded seriously since highschool

working on a script to spit out a random chess opening for white and black that I need to play

in order to make me practice openings

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/parrrate

I should make a logo at some point

also GitLab

and Codeberg

[whole bear]

I'll probably mainly list systems for black so I don't get stuck w an opening that white makes me unable to play

just spitting out a random opening name to specify

[versed heath]

https://database.lichess.org

[whole bear]

it's a small script so I can force myself to remember basic functions

[whole bear]

I might end up using this if I end up turning the script into something more generally useful

[short owl]

Mango Tango @whole bear

[whole bear]

but I'm making it spit out openings I know at least 3-4 moves for

[versed heath]

https://lichess.org/opening

[vocal basin]

the highlight:
https://github.com/parrrate/matchjson/blob/03c188b1e8cd9f46e64af92e4b71e953c4140378/src/lib.rs#L497
https://github.com/parrrate/matchjson/blob/03c188b1e8cd9f46e64af92e4b71e953c4140378/src/lib.rs#L689

[whole bear]

so like 5-6 openings for white and black

[wise cargo]

src/lib.rs line 497

if false {```
`src/lib.rs` line 689
```rs
if true {```

[whole bear]

it's less for the chess itself mind you, more to remember basic python coding.

[vocal basin]

btw, yes, this is already running in production software

did the sound die again

I'm going back to Estonian VPN then

[woeful blaze]

I'm trying to work on reinforcement learning even though I'm still new to AI I am pulling a tutorial and it's not exactly working

And what I mean by that is it doesn't show it on the screen

[short owl]

I'm not sure what to do with AI

[vocal basin]

then don't

[short owl]

What a relief , all I have to do is DONT ..... I feel much better

[whole bear]

is it okay if I ask for help with my code here?

[short owl]

If its about AI coding , the AI tech_heads , pop in from time to time

[whole bear]

it's not AI coding

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor would be fun to try playing Endless Space 2 multiplayer at some point

not sure if it has teams though

time to check

and also it's not really a game that can be rush-learned like I'm doing with civ

[whole bear]

I'll join codehelp

[vocal basin]

#1035199133436354600 is probably the easiest option

[vocal basin]

I think it doesn't

however

there are alliances

which kind of need to be justified and whatever

but they exist

[whole bear]

fair enough, I'll chill in vc for a sec tho

[vocal basin]

ugh how do I check current difficult of the game

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor context for why I was playing on default difficulty rather than slightly easier:

useful excuse if something goes wrong

ES2 with max difficulty isn't actually that hard, like, "you're just instantly dying if not trying too hard" hard

it's more of AI being smart

and having slight numbers edge against you

[short owl]

Whats this called ?

[vocal basin]

readability 💯

[urban summit]

ghost of tsushima

[short owl]

cool - but not free

[urban summit]

no sir on sale tho

[short owl]

I like old japanese movies , like , Zaoitchi @urban summit

[vocal basin]

the who

[short owl]

The Blind Samurai

[woeful blaze]

C:\Users\casti\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python313\Lib\site-packages\pygame\pkgdata.py:25: UserWarning: pkg_resources is deprecated as an API. See https://setuptools.pypa.io/en/latest/pkg_resources.html. The pkg_resources package is slated for removal as early as 2025-11-30. Refrain from using this package or pin to Setuptools<81.
from pkg_resources import resource_stream, resource_exists
pygame 2.6.1 (SDL 2.28.4, Python 3.13.5)
Hello from the pygame community. https://www.pygame.org/contribute.html
PS C:\Users\casti\Desktop\renforcemnt learning>

[vocal basin]

I haven't actually played that much of the base game itself I think

[woeful blaze]

half an hour later the code has not worked

[vocal basin]

this is a warning

so only breaks 4 months from now

something else is broken

@urban summit cryptography? or corporatocratic currency?

crypto used to mean cryptography

still does, in more sane places

the whole ideology of digital currencies ended up failing

except for a few rare cases

e.g. Monero

it was all anti-banks anti-government control

[woeful blaze]

what might that be?

[vocal basin]

and ended up being even worse than fiat

@urban summit yeah, you're forgetting the original vision

[vocal basin]

specifically, decentralisation failed

gone

done

no more

no it's not

controlled by corporations who force its will onto it

same with Ethereum

don't call me brother

mining is irrelevant, it's about control

Eth was centralised before the switch to PoS

the history literally got rewritten because the authors wanted to

and Bitcoin got block size increase veto'd thanks to BlockStream's influence

just go sidechain -- BlockStream

people who forced TPS limit onto Bitcoin

they have direct financial interest in it

"totally not Adam Back"

[short owl]

oof

[vocal basin]

@wise loom I didn't catch the context, did you try asking him a coding question?

[wise loom]

asked who?

[vocal basin]

Rabbit

[urban summit]

he'd be the 11th richest person in the world

[vocal basin]

why else would he escape instantly

[wise loom]

oh, I just wanted to ask him if he shares this feeling of spending 1 day on a stupid bug

[short owl]

1 day , is that all ?

[wise loom]

I mean.. I've spent much more (weeks, months) on stupid bugs but.. at least it was for paid work

[wise loom]

yes I know.. not very impressive..

[short owl]

weeks , months - sounds mind warping @wise loom

[urban summit]

read something about him saying bitcoin wont work. then in 2013 he started buying in

is there a documentary on HBO?

[vocal basin]

I have code with fatal bugs saved in GitHub's Arctic Vault 🚀

[wise loom]

I mean.. I knew how to solve the problem in the first ~15min, but then spent the entire day on a stupid bug.
If I didn't have that bug I would've finshed in like 20min.

[vocal basin]

good luck fixing that, future civilisations

[urban summit]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/investing/satoshi-nakamoto-identity

[vocal basin]

2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g

lmao

[urban summit]

fuck it mask off.... percocet.... molly percocet

[wise loom]

he's the perfect candidate
^^ like 20 times throughout the documentary

It's you bro, stop denying it

[vocal basin]

I only later realised just how much of this channel's videos were actually ongoing stuff not just history

I think there is some potential, especially to bring proper decentralisation back, in exploring more of fork-and-merge approaches

there might be a way to mitigate double-spending even in such context

[short owl]

spend once - only

[loud dock]

why is everyone on vc on this hour

its 00:29

[vocal basin]

congratulations, you're a programmer
since your greatest enemy is timezones

[wise loom]

I must be in vc because my life depends on it

[short owl]

as long as your alive - the device will not be activated @wise loom

otherwise its toast for all of us

[loud dock]

Oh wait i forgot that im not american and im not in america time zone

[wise loom]

if by america you mean US, it has 9 time zones.

[vocal basin]

with clocks I'm normally using:
16:31
19:31
22:31
01:31

so two of those are, like, within not-yet-night time

[loud dock]

in my timezone (Europe GMT something lol) now is 00:32

[vocal basin]

GMT+2

Spain and Russia

[loud dock]

Yeah

I need to have GMT +1 or EMT...

I have UTC +2

[vocal basin]

default for me is UTC or GMT+3, so I just calc compared to that

I don't like dealing with TZs so I have UTC on servers

ah, Actions not Git Flow type workflow

@rapid iron is the repo public?

you saying that you're "running" it suggests something is fundamentally wrong

[rapid iron]

on:
  push:
    branches:
      - main

jobs:
  deploy:
    runs-on: ubuntu-latest

    steps:
      - name: 📥 Checkout source code
        uses: actions/checkout@v3

      - name: 🧪 List project files for debugging
        run: ls -la

      - name: 🚀 Copy source files to EC2 instance
        uses: appleboy/scp-action@master
        with:
          host: ${{ secrets.EC2_HOST }}
          username: ${{ secrets.EC2_USER }}
          key: ${{ secrets.EC2_SSH_KEY }}
          source: "."
          target: "~/go-ci/myapp-temp"
          strip_components: 0
          debug: true

      - name: 🛠️ SSH into EC2 and deploy app
        uses: appleboy/ssh-action@master
        with:
          host: ${{ secrets.EC2_HOST }}
          username: ${{ secrets.EC2_USER }}
          key: ${{ secrets.EC2_SSH_KEY }}
          script: |
            echo "🧹 Removing old app directory..."
            rm -rf ~/go-ci/myapp

            echo "🚚 Renaming temp folder to app..."
            mv ~/go-ci/myapp-temp ~/go-ci/myapp
            cd ~/go-ci/myapp

            echo "📦 Running go mod tidy..."
            go mod tidy

            echo "🏗️ Building the application..."
            go build -o app main.go

            echo "🛑 Stopping old process (if running)..."
            pkill -f "./app" > /dev/null 2>&1 || true

            sleep 2

            echo "▶️ Starting app in background..."
            nohup ./app > nohup.out 2> nohup.err < /dev/null &

            sleep 1

            echo "🔍 Checking if app is running..."
            pgrep -f "./app" && echo "✅ App is running." || echo "❌ App failed to start."

            echo "✅ Deployment complete. SSH session ending cleanly."

[vocal basin]

can you please remove all emojis and echos?

[vocal basin]

why are you running the app?

what is the point?

where is even SSH happening?

oh wait

it's a remote script

hmm

yeah, I saw

it's just a confusing action

yeah, appleboy/ssh-action does it

[wise loom]

reminder: the last step is huge, should be broken down into smaller steps so you can see which fails.

[vocal basin]

possibly, pkill -f "./app" kills itself and the outer context

or just the outer context

somehow

[vocal basin]

although

I guess -f should prevent that

[wise loom]

it's not working, but why?

it's working, but why?

the most frequent questions in software engineering?

[vocal basin]

I'd really rather just use Ansible rather than mess with raw SSH and file movement

a more declarative way to manage servers

more of "what you want done" than how to do it

@wise loom you need keys either way

it's just SSH at lower level anyway

[vocal basin]

it was already semi-obvious from previous logs that pkill fails

please just use systemd or docker

stop &ing your apps

[vocal basin]

or openrc

or literally anything else that has any sort of sanity

it should've probably been a single-file container

given it's Go

allegedly

[wise loom]

yes but he would need to write service files and install them and daemon-reload. many incantations..

[vocal basin]

docker compose restart

[wise loom]

if his app was dockerized, yes

[vocal basin]

you can just use alpine for running by mount the app dir into it

@rapid iron RAM is irrelevant

Docker only causes Disk usage problems

(and even then, the effect is negligible if you do it right)

no Dockerfile necessary

and don't use Docker Desktop

[wise loom]

I also have RAM

[vocal basin]

podman/docker -- both are fine

Docker overhead is near 0

mere kilobytes

(per container)

Docker is not a VM thing

it's just cgroups and namespaces

same mechanisms that systemd uses

dockerd itself might use a bit of memory, but not much too

[short owl]

I work - therefore I am @wise loom \

[wise loom]

amen

[vocal basin]

or use podman which is daemonless

[short owl]

poke to many wire in a computer - it may stop working

[vocal basin]

Docker alternative

yes

generally compatible

podman compose restart or docker compose restart, most of the time

[vocal basin]

if you're just doing this

just quicker to download

self-host Forgejo

it has same CI/CD format

but also supports Go-based actions

Forgejo takes less resources

Forgejo is a fork of Gitea

also look into https://github.com/nektos/act

@wise loom opentofu

terraform got IBMd iirc

or whoever vored them

[wise loom]

yes opentofu is the OSS version now

[wise loom]

@rapid iron https://calculator.aws/#/ ; https://www.aws-geek.com/

[whole bear]

do you know what this error is?

[woeful blaze]

I got my AI working it's calming soothing everything

[somber heath]

@hot dragon 👋

[tulip plover]

hi @wise loom

[wise loom]

hi

[outer wraith]

hi

[somber heath]

@midnight goblet 👋

[midnight goblet]

Hi

I can not speak in voice chat for some reason. It says I am suppresed

I really can not remember why probabbly just music from my phone?

When I click voice verify it says I can not because it is active

Yes but that was not like now. That was long time ago.

So idk what even is the timeline

[somber heath]

@toxic trench 👋

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZQOPVTZ0U

watching x1.75 this guy talks slow

20% of the time he's like "hope i'm making sense, oh this car made so much noise"

so basically IT Support is telling SWE that their jobs will be replaced, but he's never worked as SWE.. uhm

I saw this coming

[somber heath]

Belief has its own gravity.

If enough of the people who make decisions believe it can be done with AI, they'll fire their devs.

Skeleton dev crew plus AI.

Ta-da, AI took your job.

It didn't matter that AI shouldn't be relied on for this. It kind of works with a bit of supervision, so that's near enough. Got to cut the fat even if it's to the bone.

When I say this, I mean anything.

[wise loom]

I believe the bone is being cut off too.

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-legs-timing-hrc-standupcomedy-gif-19375049

[wise loom]

The outcome might be relabeling SWE as something else, just to show everyone that the big boys have indeed done what they sought out to do, and it has been done as they said it would be done.

[hardy sinew]

hai

I cant think of what music to make and I need motivation

[valid silo]

hey friends

[woeful blaze]

Network up and running

Second training session currently 66 not as the first one 70 but still it pretty good

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[whole bear]

Hi

R u a bot bro

I feel like you are a bot?

OMG?

Dam ok I lowk thought u were a bot but ok bro

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-my-life-life-sheldon-gif-15780534

[whole bear]

Guys. I’ve never been in such a highly educative conversation like this

Like- y’all are lowk smarter than me what the heck? I feel dumb? I speak English and it’s not transcribing in my head

[somber heath]

I wouldn't stress about it.

Well, you shouldn't have to.

I'll stress for the both of us.

[whole bear]

Bro

NOOOO WHERES BROOO

😭

OPALLL

[somber heath]

!guilds

[wise cargo]

Communities

The communities page on our website contains a number of communities we have partnered with as well as a curated list of other communities relating to programming and technology.

[somber heath]

@molten sage 👋

@gleaming bobcat👋

[somber heath]

@atomic otter👋

[turbid hollow]

Gy

[turbid hollow]

Hy

[lethal rune]

@somber heath

Do u wanna be a tester of smth?

[echo bison]

i cant talk right now :/

[lethal rune]

Can u type?

[echo bison]

yea

[lethal rune]

No u

Ncm

Nvm

BOTH

[echo bison]

haha

[lethal rune]

@echo bison @somber heath do u guys wanna be a tester of smth

Oh ok

Wht abt u

[echo bison]

i can

[lethal rune]

Bagutte

[echo bison]

but depends

[lethal rune]

Alright!

Oh it's smth I've been working on

[echo bison]

what is it about

[lethal rune]

All u gotta do is have python that's it

[lethal rune]

Sql

An sql Im making in python

[echo bison]

im unfamiliar with sql so ill pass..

sorry

opal

[lethal rune]

Welp everyone is gonna be unfamiliar with this one coz no one has ever heard of this

[echo bison]

look as this masterpiece

[lethal rune]

If ur interested I'll send u the code and send u the functions

[echo bison]

___: int = 1--+------+-++-++----+---++-+--+--1-+--1
_: str =1--+------++1+-+-+--+-+-++-++--++---1-+1
____: float = 1-----+-++++---+---1---++--+---+1
__:int=1--+------+-++-++--1---+---++-+--+--1-+--1

# ita 1+2+3
result = ___+-+++--__+--++--__++--+-+-+-__-++-+__+_+-++__+--+--+__+--++--+-+-+--++-+__+____

print(result)

[lethal rune]

Wait wait
@echo bison u know dictionaries in python?

[echo bison]

sure ill check it out

i know xd

[lethal rune]

Shall we talk in dms?

[somber heath]

!e ```py
___: int = 1--+------+-++-++----+---++-+--+--1-+--1
_: str =1--+------++1+-+-+--+-+-++-++--++---1-+1
____: float = 1-----+-++++---+---1---++--+---+1
__:int=1--+------+-++-++--1---+---++-+--+--1-+--1

ita 1+2+3

result = +-+++--+--++--++--+-+-+--++-++_+-+++--+--++--++--+-+-+--++-+_+____

print(result)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

6

[echo bison]

its 1+2+3

=6

my obfuscation is unmatched xd

[lethal rune]

@echo bison I'll dm u rn

[echo bison]

if you want to

[echo bison]

alright

[somber heath]

@sterile wadi 👋

[sterile wadi]

hi

[somber heath]

@boreal kelp 👋

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

@urban ledge 👋

[echo bison]

i have to go

bye!

[somber heath]

@subtle kelp 👋

[lean orchid]

hi

[inland gale]

yeah he

whats up

[vocal basin]

!e

print(int("৪୨"))  # answer to everything

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

42

[echo bison]

Wtf

[vocal basin]

💥

[vocal basin]

looks almost as obscure as f"{1:0<{1:0<10}}"

!e

f"{1:0<{1:0<10}}"

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     f"{1:0<{1:0<10}}"
004 |       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | MemoryError

[vocal basin]

I don't think Discord Markdown understands how to highlight this properly

exits the } too early

[rain pilot]

hi

ok

[fluid wagon]

he

[somber heath]

@safe geyser 👋

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[lean orchid]

hi

[somber heath]

@foggy field 👋

[vocal basin]

I forgot which city had a concert on its ruins, apparently not Aleppo

(it was Palmyra)

[vocal basin]

Russia being weird

[versed sable]

glongus

my goons

why cant i share screen

[vocal basin]

depends on definition of working

[versed sable]

no

oh ok

[vocal basin]

I thought I had those but those got cancelled

[vocal basin]

non-work-related

[versed sable]

my younger brother is working a language interpreter in py

i can make a github project/pastebin thingy if yall want to see it

[vocal basin]

GitHub is preferred for larger projects

a bit easier to browse symbols

[versed sable]

his thingy is only one file so i can probably just pastebin it right

[vocal basin]

as in that also helps with actually keeping track of changes

Git being the important part rather than wherever it's hosted

[versed sable]

pastebin is a pain in the ass when u dont have an account

im goo

[vocal basin]

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[versed sable]

https://github.com/fuevij3/monoxideLang/tree/main

alr

[alpine zinc]

Hi bro

I also wanna learn python

[somber heath]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[alpine zinc]

Hi bro

I can't open my mic

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[alpine zinc]

It says you need to send more messages

Maybe because I am new here soo

[somber heath]

@eternal ether 👋

[alpine zinc]

Still saying less than 50 messages

[somber heath]

@tawdry moth 👋

[eternal ether]

How's it going.

@somber heath where in uk? if i may assume as much.

AHHH fuck.

sorry

[somber heath]

@umbral carbon 👋

[umbral carbon]

Hai @somber heath

Im not yet unlocked my mic

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[umbral carbon]

It seems I need to have 50 messages in this server !!

Nice...

[eternal ether]

!turtles

is there a "most respected" python book author?

[somber heath]

@worthy flame 👋

[worthy flame]

Hii

[eternal ether]

who sorry could you write that out?

and what are those books cheers

[exotic loom]

Bonjour Opal

[umbral carbon]

actually I'm looking for an solution, I'm working on Gen AI app (python package)... I need to protect the code like the prompt, grammar etc from client

[somber heath]

Corey Schafer.

[eternal ether]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCezIgC97PvUuR4_gbFUs5g

i found it thanks

[somber heath]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[eternal ether]

thank you

[calm heron]

Does this look right?

import random

# Define random list values
list_length = 30
min_value = 1
max_value = 100

# Randomly generate lists
random1 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random1))
random2 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random2))

# Define function for removing duplicates with a set
def remove_duplicates_set(v):
    set1 = set(v)
    v = list(set1)
    v.sort()
    return(v)

# Define function for removing duplicates with a loop
def remove_duplicates_loop(v):
    list1 = []
    
    for i in v:
        if i in list1:
            pass
        else:
            list1.append(i)
    
    list1.sort()
    return(v)

# Call functions and print results to screen
print(remove_duplicates_set(random1))
print(remove_duplicates_loop(random2))

[vocal basin]

these comments are scaring me

list, then .sort is just sorted

which is already used above

!e

test = [1, 2, 1]
print(sorted(set(test)))

[wise cargo]

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[1, 2]

[vocal basin]

if i not in list1:
    list1.append(i)

I highly recommend purging all comments except for the second one

@primal shadow starting with 2 items, list is slower

[somber heath]

@languid marlin 👋

[primal shadow]

There's a big difference between actual computation speed and perceived computation speed

actual can be several factors off

[languid marlin]

wassup

[primal shadow]

but perceived can be identical

[languid marlin]

🙂

[vocal basin]

perceived in what sense?

[primal shadow]

the user

the thing that matters

the person that's paying you to write the software

[vocal basin]

set spends less compute time on in than list

if in with list has to check 2 or more items

I wonder what dict uses for insertion order

probably doubly linked list?

[somber heath]

!e py print({'a': 1, 'b': 2, 'a': 3})

[wise cargo]

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{'a': 3, 'b': 2}

[vocal basin]

iirc it became insertion-sorted in CPython in somewhere around 3.3 or 3.4, and then that got standardised

maybe earlier

maybe even in Python 2

[calm heron]

!e

import random

list_length = 30
min_value = 1
max_value = 100

# Randomly generate lists
random1 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random1))
random2 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random2))

def remove_duplicates_set(values):
    set1 = set(values)
    values = list(set1)
    values.sort()
    return(values)

def remove_duplicates_loop(values):
    list1 = []
    
    for i in values:
        if i not in list1:
            list1.append(i)
    
    list1.sort()
    return(values)

# Call functions and print results to screen
print(remove_duplicates_set(random1))
print(remove_duplicates_loop(random2))

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001 | [1, 4, 7, 10, 11, 11, 14, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 34, 35, 42, 46, 48, 51, 51, 55, 58, 63, 73, 74, 74, 81, 88, 91, 96, 98]
002 | [4, 8, 10, 11, 15, 16, 17, 17, 21, 47, 49, 49, 49, 50, 57, 57, 63, 65, 67, 73, 75, 80, 85, 89, 91, 91, 95, 95, 95, 97]
003 | [1, 4, 7, 10, 11, 14, 18, 20, 22, 26, 27, 34, 35, 42, 46, 48, 51, 55, 58, 63, 73, 74, 81, 88, 91, 96, 98]
004 | [15, 97, 91, 8, 75, 47, 65, 50, 73, 57, 10, 57, 95, 21, 49, 89, 17, 63, 67, 17, 95, 95, 85, 49, 4, 80, 16, 11, 49, 91]

[vocal basin]

yes, 3.6

and standardised in 3.7

in 3.6 it's implementation specifics

happens to work on CPython

[vocal basin]

why () after return?

[calm heron]

!e

import random

list_length = 30
min_value = 1
max_value = 100

# Randomly generate lists
random1 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random1))
random2 = [random.randint(min_value, max_value) for _ in range(list_length)]
print(sorted(random2))

def remove_duplicates_set(values):
    set1 = set(values)
    values = list(set1)
    values.sort()
    return values

def remove_duplicates_loop(values):
    list1 = []
    
    for i in values:
        if i not in list1:
            list1.append(i)
    
    list1.sort()
    return list1

# Call functions and print results to screen
print(remove_duplicates_set(random1))
print(remove_duplicates_loop(random2))

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001 | [1, 2, 12, 14, 14, 22, 30, 34, 35, 36, 41, 46, 47, 55, 57, 58, 59, 59, 65, 69, 78, 80, 82, 85, 86, 86, 88, 92, 92, 99]
002 | [1, 2, 7, 8, 13, 15, 17, 29, 29, 32, 33, 37, 38, 40, 41, 44, 47, 51, 54, 54, 56, 65, 68, 69, 69, 75, 80, 80, 87, 95]
003 | [1, 2, 12, 14, 22, 30, 34, 35, 36, 41, 46, 47, 55, 57, 58, 59, 65, 69, 78, 80, 82, 85, 86, 88, 92, 99]
004 | [1, 2, 7, 8, 13, 15, 17, 29, 32, 33, 37, 38, 40, 41, 44, 47, 51, 54, 56, 65, 68, 69, 75, 80, 87, 95]

[vocal basin]

in Rust you can do (return value) and pretend you're writing Lisp

[somber heath]

!e py print('a' == ('a'))

[wise cargo]

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True

[vocal basin]

what a horrible emergent construct

fn main() {
    (return ())
}

[umbral carbon]

Omg 😲, my messages are not getting send!!

[somber heath]

!e py import random def dedupe(values): return list({value: None for value in values}) my_list = [1, 5, 2, 1, 5, 7, 2] print(my_list) result = dedupe(my_list) print(result)

[umbral carbon]

From my pc it's showing red text

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [1, 5, 2, 1, 5, 7, 2]
002 | [1, 5, 2, 7]

[vocal basin]

{}

that makes it that

[peak depot]

[ ]

[umbral carbon]

For remove_dulicates_set () how about using sorted(set(values))

[vocal basin]

this is equivalent to previous solution

and I did point out this as an equivalent option

but not equivalent to second function

I have to maintain an insertion-ordered module myself because the original kind of got abandoned
https://docs.rs/ruchei/0.0.95/src/ruchei/collections/linked_hash_set.rs.html

or at least it was abandoned last time I had to deal with it

seemingly there was an update

after 5 years

let's check if it's compatible

[somber heath]

def dedupe(values):
    result = list()
    seen = set()
    for value in values:
        if value not in seen:
            result.append(value)
            seen.add(value)
    return result```

[vocal basin]

okay the updated one seems to compile fine

time to nuke my implementation

[hybrid latch]

hi

[somber heath]

@summer roost 👋

[umbral carbon]

Wow we got lot of people here...Hai alll

[vocal basin]

how not to lose something: just not have it to begin with

[somber heath]

!voice @summer roost

[wise cargo]

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[somber heath]

@raw flicker 👋

[raw flicker]

hey