voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

ed accepts your gratitude: ?

[wind raptor]

AI wrapper stuff at the moment. But it's not my preferred area.

[open moth]

yea hope we never meet again catblush

[vocal basin]

!pypi arcade

[wise cargo]

arcade v3.3.2

Arcade Game Development Library

Released on <t:1751591377:D>.

[open moth]

hmm fair enough

[vocal basin]

!pypi ursina

[wise cargo]

ursina v7.0.0

An easy to use game engine/framework for python.

Released on <t:1713733992:D>.

[vocal basin]

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/4.4/tutorials/scripting/gdextension/index.html

that

you can write them in Rust too

[open moth]

that

guy

who

made

minecraft

with html + css

[vocal basin]

css

[open moth]

💀

[vocal basin]

yes

[tawdry crow]

java

[open moth]

wild

[vocal basin]

https://benjaminaster.com/css-minecraft/

[open moth]

yea

this

[tawdry crow]

oww

[royal pumice]

can we make this with python

[open moth]

bro's on 2x by default

[open moth]

obv

yea

@pastel ridge PW lectures on 2x

kek

[royal pumice]

@pastel ridge are you from india

[open moth]

if that

ain't

obv

😭

accent bro

[royal pumice]

i am your neighbour

[open moth]

@cloud flare DAMNNN Jaipur

[royal pumice]

Pakistan

[vocal basin]

Bryan Cantrill speaks quite fast in his talks

[tawdry crow]

How to start training your AI with Existing popular AIs out there? Like sample on Vertex AI from Gcloud. That's a good start?

[open moth]

real

[royal pumice]

do you done any degree bs and ms in india or skills

[open moth]

@pastel ridge Opal Mist

is

yea that sunflower pfp

guy

[vocal basin]

(note: OpalMist wouldn't like you using that word)

[open moth]

are you alisa? something i forgot your name

you prolly changed your name

[vocal basin]

I know who is irregular

[craggy vale]

I am making game in unity

[wind raptor]

Nice!

[vocal basin]

has there been any new popular async runtime recently for Python

[royal pumice]

are you using free version or using paid one

[craggy vale]

free

[cloud flare]

what is damn about it?

[vocal basin]

Elements of Programming, great book

[open moth]

i am from there too

[craggy vale]

yeah

[vocal basin]

hmm, what are other books I've never read...

The Mythical Man-Month

[open moth]

kek

[vocal basin]

I started reading Elements of Programming but it's more of a textbook

with exercises

so can't just read it during commute

[open moth]

that was

fast

[vocal basin]

spammer exploded

[craggy vale]

this house is ai generated

[vocal basin]

vibe architecture

[modest shale]

backgroud noise

[craggy vale]

also this

[pastel ridge]

Is ai is built in unity

[craggy vale]

NO

I use masyai

[pastel ridge]

😮‍💨

[craggy vale]

for 3d model

and that's my fresh linux

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor one more user

[open moth]

lmao

[vocal basin]

regular enough to remember

[pastel ridge]

Let me show you mine linux setup

[open moth]

prolly shubham

💀

[vocal basin]

image Linux that just has ed instead of init

[open moth]

how am not really active

in this

server

lol

(I will from now on)

[vocal basin]

kat is strictest, likely

@wind raptor mango

[royal pumice]

whats your laptop specs

[vocal basin]

mango happened

[vocal basin]

all that discussion without Hemlock to witness it

[modest shale]

bro touch some grass bro

[open moth]

invaluable setup

[open moth]

catblush

[royal pumice]

i donot really get it

[pastel ridge]

Potato PC

[royal pumice]

do you understand hindi

[vocal basin]

what kind of debugger are we talking about?

[pastel ridge]

Yes

[modest shale]

shitt he got me

[vocal basin]

@midnight agate Debian mentioned

[craggy vale]

yeah I'm debian monk

[modest shale]

bro is ur setup is on bed or something?

[craggy vale]

tes

yes

[vocal basin]

the only thing I use a breakpoint debugger for is for being able to walk around the object tree

[modest shale]

what the heck he dont even get out of bed lol

[vocal basin]

@exotic loom that naz- cryptopreneur?

Thiel is very far-right

[modest shale]

i know donald trump
but he dont know me
thats all

waht a great explanation

[vocal basin]

Thiel is one of the people who brought Trump to power

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor Thiel is a far-right lobbyist

wouldn't call that a good person

[weary rapids]

he gay?

[vocal basin]

we don't know

he might be, he might be not

[weary rapids]

nvm says hes married to matt

Matt Danzeisen

[vocal basin]

oh wait, yeah, he is

a bit surprising

kind of like with Alice Weidel

(Alice Weidel is another far-right leader)

[open moth]

@exotic loomYEAAA

[vocal basin]

billionaire in what currency

[open moth]

umm guys

what is your fav

shell

yea

[vocal basin]

"rabbitshell;
wait no I meant powershell"

[pastel ridge]

Bash one which come with git

[open moth]

nah

😭

[vocal basin]

I use ash or bash depending on what's installed

[open moth]

not pwsh

[vocal basin]

pwsh
that's already more modern than plain powershell.exe

Ubuntu Server almost comes with powershell

[open moth]

whaa

really?

[vocal basin]

it has a lot of stuff in its installer

mostly installed through snap

(do not do that)

snap is a mistake for servers

[open moth]

i never head ppl using powershell on linux

heard*

[pastel ridge]

45 F

??

[open moth]

ummm i have heard they fucked ubuntu package management cuz of snap

why is that?

[vocal basin]

35 C feels like 45 C

[open moth]

normal day in rajasthan

😔

[vocal basin]

snap packages are 1) limited in functionality by design 2) unmaintained

[pastel ridge]

Exactly

[vocal basin]

if you want isolation on desktop, consider things like distrobox (or docker in general) instead

[open moth]

nix

package manager

[vocal basin]

nix doesn't really isolate that much afaik

especially the network

[open moth]

yea it doesn't isolate network

only packages

[vocal basin]

sandbox seems to provide some isolation

in recent versions

but that's optional

[open moth]

have you use colima?

"MY PPL"

😔

[vocal basin]

not entirely sure of what its purpose is

[open moth]

I was abt too say

that

too

DEV INDIA does that every month

ppl show case

their

projects

each month

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor project showcase is already part of events stuff planned

[open moth]

it happens every month

?

[vocal basin]

not every month, just sometimes #announcements message

[open moth]

it would nice it was

monthly

[vocal basin]

likely there weren't enough applications to instantly call for more proposals

[open moth]

ye das a problem

?serverinfo

umm

[vocal basin]

!server

[wise cargo]

Server Information

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Members: 402,407

Helpers: 166
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Voice: 8

[open moth]

noice

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor https://theonion.com/u-s-to-trade-gold-reserves-for-cash-through-cash4gold-1819594826/

that

they tried to buy infowars

but that got overturned

[open moth]

i like your pfp

thoughts on LOKI?

X IS ALL FULL OF BITCOIN BRO's

[vocal basin]

new word: unapwshed

[open moth]

name emoji's used

by them

I WATCHED THE ENDING. loki became my one of the fav character

last scene was soooo cool

when he sits on

the

thrown

yeah sry

: )

you don need to

delete

msgs

😭

90% of traffic

is

ai

[vocal basin]

@midnight agate context so it sounds more ironic: the VC discussion is about scraping from websites (including social media)

@molten pewter HATEOAS 🚀

[vocal basin]

HTMK

[somber heath]

@zenith ridge @quaint escarp @cosmic leaf 👋

@bronze harness 👋

@tardy bone 👋

[fierce sail]

wassup!

[wind raptor]

Hey!

[fierce sail]

hey!

wyd

[somber heath]

Listening, apparently.

[open moth]

waiting

for

[fierce sail]

mhm haha

[open moth]

ppl will prolly

give up

on using that service

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter as Bryan Cantrill described it: adolescents are good at passing these tests but when it comes to actually following that, they kind of fail

https://youtu.be/VzdVSMRu16g

[molten pewter]

I'm not familiar with Bryan Canrtill

[vocal basin]

bcantrill being angry at Sam Altman for an hour

do they not understand how trivial any such verification is to bypass?

[fierce sail]

i was just trying blender in my free time. surprisingly i liked it

[open moth]

hmm interesting so many game devs here

[modest shale]

are u game dev?

[open moth]

nope I am jus learning graphic programming

[vocal basin]

@cloud flare you should document the process of debugging if it gets long enough

methods, what you tried, what failed, what was not the bug

[fierce sail]

nah i hv it in my cllg apparently

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/30jNsCVLpAE

debugging

[open moth]

i will watch

it

[vocal basin]

have a binary that has dependency on each version and watch it explode on startup

💥

[royal pumice]

h

[vocal basin]

TIL /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 is runnable

how to do that to other shared objects

when compiling from Rust, for example

in the same compilation output

no_mange exe should be loadable, right?

with no_mange functions in it I mean

from what I understand, shared objects and executable aren't that different;
so it's more about forcing that behaviour in a non-exe target

just not call main when loading it as .so?

[molten pewter]

https://www.cve.org/

https://cvefeed.io/rssfeed/

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter Thielocracy

yes

Thiel believes in money and eugenics

@subtle kelp 👋
(speaking permissions stuff is described in #voice-verification if you're looking for it)

@molten pewter there are worse "for free" features, for example NTP last-requests-list one

[subtle kelp]

no i don't speak in chat voices

[vocal basin]

afaik routing isn't being exploited for DoS as much

email already mostly succumbed to capitalism

@molten pewter @cloud flare
story about another idea, more about HTML rather than internet:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTI2Kz0V2OFlgbkROVmzkfQRW2FrX2KfR

@molten pewter ask Charlie to explain Hypermedia to you, he will probably mention Ted I'd expect

[molten pewter]

https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_the_next_web?language=en

[vocal basin]

like with Moore describing portable computers

[vocal basin]

in 1965

Oracle actually tried to copyright/trademark an API

[molten pewter]

RSS stands for Really Simple Syndication

[vocal basin]

does GitHub provide an RSS feed?

is there are a Rails-related discord server?

I've just realised they really need to have a DHH tag

lmao

one nanomarketing unit

[molten pewter]

yes, github has rss. you can obtain an RSS feed for issues by navigating to the issues page and appending https://openrss.org/ before the github.com part of the URL

[vocal basin]

for websites that don't have them

so an external implementation

Forgejo has those natively

[wise loom]

i thought that's a code forge, is it more than that?

[vocal basin]

it has integrated CI and some other things

wide package storage support

what was that other thing that supported many package types

(server)

artifactory

but artifactory is not open-source afaik

[wise loom]

yeah that's JFrog

[vocal basin]

I've just noticed

Forgejo added ALT support

very unexpected

[vestal saffron]

just wanted to ask is there any channel where can ask for project ideas

[vocal basin]

okay, Forgejo is now objectively superior to Gitea in one more metric

https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/user/packages/alt/

[vocal basin]

@midnight agate look at what it links to in the description

[molten pewter]

https://speechify.com/

[vocal basin]

have you done anything with publishing packages yet?

we had a popular legal case here where someone's voice got stolen for commercial use

as in client broke non-resell clause

when are we starting to sue for copyleft infringement

[molten pewter]

https://www.businessinsider.com/kindle-2-rips-off-authors-and-publishers-says-authors-guild-2009-2

https://www.wired.com/2009/02/copyright-fight/

[vocal basin]

new startup idea: sueify
just speedrunning "get sued by as many people"

are we forgetting that voice acting is more than just using humans to synthesise audio

[wise loom]

on artifactory, the most I did was manually uploading some artifacts.
in my homelab I have Gitea, that's where I intend to publish packages, uhm yeah.

[vocal basin]

if you have Gitea 1.22 or lower, consider switching to Forgejo

[wise loom]

a lot of people tell me forgejo is a better fork of gitea.
idk how complicated the switch would be, hopefully would be easy.

[vocal basin]

I've sent a diagram in the other server

[wise loom]

gitea/gitea:1.22.3-rootless

[vocal basin]

yeah, this is upgradeable

to Forgejo 8

backup all the data beforehand

[wise loom]

worth the upgrade?

[vocal basin]

assuming you're not using

1. Microsoft SQL Server
2. Windows as the hosting server
3. alternative Git backend
   it should be fine

[vocal basin]

yes

[vocal basin]

if you're using btrfs, this should be relatively quick to do

[wise loom]

ext4

[vocal basin]

at work I'm making backups for our whole dev infrastructure daily

automated

[vocal basin]

you should look at Gitea 1.24 and Forgejo 11.0 and compare them

they diverged after Gitea 1.22

actually after 1.21, but Forgejo integrated all the features of 1.22

Gitea is more targeting bigger enterprises now

they're competing with GitHub/GitLab not Forgejo

[vocal basin]

big feature Forgejo has that Gitea doesn't: quotas

[craggy vale]

there is any way to share the screeen

?

[vocal basin]

oh, wow, Gitea included Arch packages way after Forgejo it seems

[vocal basin]

wait until Chris or some other mod is in the VC

[craggy vale]

hum ok

[vocal basin]

I'm currently running both Gitea 1.22 and Forgejo 11

not sure which way I'm going to upgrade 1.22

either to 1.24 or 11

[weak garnet]

how, i tried but i always failed

[vocal basin]

my first deployment of Gitea was done over SSH on a phone while being 450km away from home

truly an experience

use Docker

there is no other option nowadays

[weak garnet]

thanks alot

[vocal basin]

there are example compose files in the documentation

including Forgejo Actions CI

Gitea is kind of half-rotting half-updating

very weird state

all their web design efforts got spent on cloning GitHub's UI

Forgejo will likely never do it

because 1) too much effort 2) why

Forgejo still looks like Gogs

[craggy vale]

@cloud flare which GPU u use in your ai things?

[vocal basin]

Gitea also can't integrate Forgejo changes in their enterprise version as easily anymore

because GPL

[haughty pier]

[root@idea:~]# free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            15Gi       4.0Gi       3.3Gi       711Mi       8.9Gi        11Gi
Swap:           16Gi       416Mi        16Gi

[root@idea:~]# free --si -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:             16G        5.1G        2.8G        743M        9.6G         11G
Swap:            17G        436M         17G

https://www.lenovo.com/us/outletus/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500/ideapad-pro-5i-gen-9-16-inch-intel/83d4x014us

https://www.lenovo.com/us/outletus/en/

resolves to above for me from https://outlet.lenovo.com

[cloud flare]

T4 gpu of colab

[craggy vale]

ohhhnice

[true edge]

ffff

fafsfsaafs

[craggy vale]

I think u have real gpu

[cloud flare]

i had real gpu with mac

[craggy vale]

oh

I am asking because I am gonna make a ai server for my pocket gpt

[cloud flare]

i have seen people using mac studios to make ai servers as a cost effective approach

[craggy vale]

I have no money to buy a mac or buy a big gpu
I have only 26 top on my pi 5

and also tho use old things to make like this

[cloud flare]

what is the size of your model?

[craggy vale]

3B

model

[haughty pier]

  hardware.graphics.enable = true;
  services.xserver.videoDrivers = [ "nvidia" ];
  hardware.nvidia.open = true;

[craggy vale]

.

I never touch gpu and use

[cloud flare]

is it fp16 or what

[craggy vale]

?

[cloud flare]

size of each parameter in your model

[craggy vale]

INT8

[haughty pier]

https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/NVIDIA#Hybrid_graphics_with_PRIME

[cloud flare]

lookout when https://robu.in/product/nvidia-jetson-orin-nano-super-developer-kit/ becomes available

[craggy vale]

robu nice I buy all things from this thanks man

[royal pumice]

why in this server my ping is high

[upper basin]

A-meer (like beer) A-lee Mal (like malfunction) - e - kahn - ee Ne-zh (like french) - aad.

[blissful sand]

I use nix as package manager for a while 😆

on macOS

[royal pumice]

@haughty pier can i will get the voice verification and video role as per rules of 3 days in server active and msg 50 times without spaming

[haughty pier]

I think voice is automatic, video is based on moderators trusting you not to abuse it

[royal pumice]

who much time it will get to be recognized and what are rules for video role can we do stream in the voice channel by it

[haughty pier]

time for voice is as described in the #voice-verification channel. For video it's Admin discretion

[shell patrol]

hello

can yall help me please

i have this program :
x= "hello world"
print(x.find('o'))
the terminal answer is 4 but what if i want the index of the second 'o' what do i do ?

[haughty pier]

>>> help(str.find)
find(...) unbound builtins.str method
    S.find(sub[, start[, end]]) -> int

    Return the lowest index in S where substring sub is found,
    such that sub is contained within S[start:end].  Optional
    arguments start and end are interpreted as in slice notation.

    Return -1 on failure.

[shell patrol]

what ?

sorry im still new to this

aaron if you can explain it to me by talking that would help a lot thank you

i still didnt understand sorry

[haughty pier]

I looked up the help on the find method of the string object. What that implies is that you can get all the o indexes by giving the start as the last index you've found to get the next one, and when you get -1 as an index, you've gone through the entire string.

[shell patrol]

should i change my name ?

aight

im going to go complete the course than you for the help good bye have a wonderful day

[grave moat]

Which Linux distributions u will reffer to a college student?

[craggy vale]

debian

ubuntu

[grave moat]

Lts or non lts

[craggy vale]

lts

[hearty knot]

Mint is good

[cerulean minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVVfJVj5z8s&t=5226s

[dry jasper]

python -m venv env

@cyan sequoia

[cyan sequoia]

7

^O

[dry jasper]

https://www.w3schools.com/python/python_virtualenv.asp

[vocal basin]

❌

[wind raptor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytale

[vocal basin]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html

[molten pewter]

https://www.cryptool.org/en/cto/rsa-step-by-step/

[hearty knot]

you can explore here https://www.wolframalpha.com/

[wind raptor]

Oh shoot, it wasn't RSA, it was Diffie-Hellman that I built: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie–Hellman_key_exchange

[vocal basin]

!d pow

[wise cargo]

pow

pow(base, exp, mod=None)```
Return *base* to the power *exp*; if *mod* is present, return *base* to the power *exp*, modulo *mod* (computed more efficiently than `pow(base, exp) % mod`). The two-argument form `pow(base, exp)` is equivalent to using the power operator: `base**exp`.

[vocal basin]

three-character implementation of RSA

[molten pewter]

https://www.jimkwik.com/podcast/

[wind raptor]

Nice. I wasn't aware of the mod parameter of pow()

[vocal basin]

I remember I once implemented the key generation part in such an obscure way that neither I nor some more experienced number theory people could explain how it worked

but it somehow worked

[vocal basin]

the extended gcd step specifically

[stuck furnace]

Are there not general cryptanalysis methods that don't depend on you knowing the particular kind of cipher used?

[mossy cedar]

unless you invent one

[vocal basin]

block ciphers have many such things where it's how you use the cipher not what cipher you use

ECB issues are cipher-agnostic, for example

breakage of stream ciphers without HMAC doesn't depend on specifics either

symmetric ciphers have more of that

[stuck furnace]

You couldn't care less

This phrase is an annoyance Brits have with American English 😄

Oh

We assume you're not being sarcastic generally

I'm not a very sarcastic person tbh 😄

[mossy cedar]

im the reverse

[stuck furnace]

Guys

[mossy cedar]

yes?

[stuck furnace]

Server appropriate please

[mossy cedar]

see ya'll @ my next meltdown. night folks

[wise loom]

@wind raptor https://leetcode.com/problems/split-array-into-consecutive-subsequences/

[undone frost]

hey fellas 😄

muted cuz kid has loud Tv going 😄

Any of yall do pixel art? Do you like cute cats?

[wise loom]

personally, no to both

[undone frost]

😦

[iron geyser]

✌️

[unique wyvern]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/header/complex

[vocal basin]

yes

APT frontend for RPM

also there is no just apt there

only apt-get/apt-cache

[somber heath]

@trail geode 👋

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/uv38RVivtMe.gif

many bones

many muscles

many tools out there

[scarlet dust]

https://areweguiyet.com/

[wise loom]

sup guys

shaving my head 🪒 can’t talk

[somber heath]

@viral valve 👋

[primal shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYp9Eo9T3BA

[sharp summit]

https://ibo.org

[sour imp]

@wind raptor Python is the largest C lib change my mind 😛

also hi 🤣

[wind raptor]

Hey! How are things?

[sour imp]

chillin my guy on the grind hbu?

[wind raptor]

Just been getting back into things after coming back from Ireland.

[sour imp]

Hell yeah! How was that

[wind raptor]

So nice

[sour imp]

hell yeah pimp

[wind raptor]

How are your projects going?

[scarlet dust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayscale#Luma_coding_in_video_systems

[obsidian dragon]

c is the biggest lua library

so python is lua

[sour imp]

merging the codebases has been a nightmare but its going

[wind raptor]

Fair

[sour imp]

lua faster than rust

[wind raptor]

!stream 254947853074432001

[wise cargo]

✅ @scarlet dust can now stream until <t:1751938406:f>.

[obsidian dragon]

mincraft has computercraft that has a better os than temple os, because lua

[sour imp]

bro I wrote minecraft in LOLCODE using PIET to interpret get on my level

[obsidian dragon]

/deop Kastien

[sour imp]

NOOOOOOO my OP!

[green kindle]

glua is the best

[wind raptor]

That's hardcore

[sour imp]

it had to be done my guy

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

@slate quiver 👋

[frosty shell]

https://www.home-assistant.io/ @somber heath

[somber heath]

@paper idol 👋

@rain kelp 👋

[rain kelp]

hiii

[somber heath]

@valid linden 👋

[valid linden]

Hi again

[woven marsh]

Hi

how are u ?

@somber heath 👋

[royal pumice]

hi

[craggy vale]

my cat os

my first development release

[somber heath]

@prisma trench 👋

[prisma trench]

Hi there

Why can't I speak on this server?

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[prisma trench]

So, I need to verify

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[royal pumice]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[cursive niche]

helo

[royal pumice]

hello

i am fine what about you

i have started python coding yesterday hope it journey go well

use bluestacks 5

@wind raptor can i mention someone i have to talk is this against rules or not

@jovial dirge i was playing free fire but i left those type of games because of hackers and bad updates

@jovial dirge you are right but if your emotion is connected with game its their thought but i left

@jovial dirge where are you from

[jovial dirge]

Bangladesh

[royal pumice]

pakistan

[royal pumice]

do you have completed your bachelor or skills

[jovial dirge]

nah i'll gonna hit 20 on this month , 24th. Heading to a UNI

next month

[royal pumice]

relations doesnot depend on country citizens and if they went to dubai, or urban countries they live there together

[royal pumice]

i have gotten admission in bs(ai)

[royal pumice]

18

i am doing a course of python these days

paid

udemy

yes i bought his course

[royal pumice]

you can also bought from credit card on udemy

paypal is also not in my country

mastercard i have used

the course was running a coupen of 56$ to 9.99$ and was very cheap and i bought yesterday

[wind raptor]

Yeah, I always wait for the sales

[royal pumice]

1$=284RS in my country

500 dollar is my tuition fee for one semister

what type of OS is using

[wind raptor]

That sounds like a lot

[wind raptor]

It's Mint

[spark crystal]

hello

guys

what you doing charlie

[vocal basin]

I got two separate work calls one after the other

bwaaa

@wind raptor not really a challenge when it's LP type of working

well, allegedly he knows WebRTC

WebRTC is excessively difficult

it's UDP in Web

that's the whole point

allows dropping packets

still waiting for TIPC in Web

superior protocol but effectively Linux-only

also not really built for Web

given it doesn't have routing

I can't run Forza Horizon 5 on Windows

but it works fine on openSUSE

absolutely random Linux distro

[static tree]

u can just use android studio @jovial merlin

[jovial merlin]

i know i can, im choosing not to

[static tree]

why

[jovial merlin]

because i like vscode?

[static tree]

fair

yeah

it works fine if you got proper system

[dusty rivet]

Hi

What's going on vc? Can some one explain it

[static tree]

can i know what for ?

like for what purpose ?

like TO-DO list?

@jovial merlin

well i did made a flutter app for my final year

yup

well curruntly i am learning ML /AI

[scarlet halo]

@jovial merlin not to shove it down your throat or anything but i think you'll like neovim

[static tree]

bye need to go

[jovial merlin]

i do but im too lazy to set it up for flutter (atleast for now)

i have a setup with python and stuff and i enjoy that

[scarlet halo]

ah, i have a pretty neat starting config if you'd like. maybe you could take inspiration?

https://github.com/spelis/nvim

here

[molten tulip]

hi

I joined this discord a couple days ago and want to join the voice chat

Is there a way to turn on my mic?

[scarlet halo]

#voice-verification

here you go 😄

[molten tulip]

Got it. Thanks

I wanted to ask @elder vessel how u got C++ on a website

[scarlet halo]

you mean me?

im using something called emscripten, which lets me compile a raylib game to web assembly and put it on a website

[molten tulip]

Interesting, I saw the code and was wondering if you wrote the whole backend in C++

But looking at the code it looked pretty clean and I know a full backend in C++ would be super verbose

I dont have much experience with web assembly but I hear it good for rendering. I think adobe or figma use it.

[vocal basin]

WASM is good for using languages which aren't as bad as JS

[molten tulip]

@sonic briar no, but ik alot of people that do. I've heard alot of colleges have some if u need one

[molten tulip]

Interesting, So do most languages have a wasm compiler? I literally know little to nothing about it.

[vocal basin]

Rust has, Python has

and anything with C interface you can convert via emscripten

[sturdy tiger]

Hlo I am new here!

[molten tulip]

Is it worth learning if im not looking for graphic intensive sites?

I've made a site with django before and hosted on a private server but tbh when it comes to site development I just like backend

[vocal basin]

I use WASM because certain things are just easier to do in Rust than in JS

[sturdy tiger]

What is being made here app or website!

[vocal basin]

purely for productivity and correctness reasons

also sometimes things just don't entirely exist for JS

like SQLite

the only reason why I use Emscripten and not plain WASM target is because I need POSIX-ish interface

otherwise SQLite and others complain

there is theoretically also an option to use postgres there

but I don't think sqlx is compatible with that

[molten tulip]

JS doen't have an adapter library for SQLite?

[vocal basin]

SQLite is a C library

you will need to have WASM at some level for that

assuming Web

(not Node.js)

[sturdy tiger]

Hey I am interested in quantum.. but Idk how to start.. Does anyone have any experience who can guide me?!

[vocal basin]

@upper basin

[sturdy tiger]

Thanks!

[molten tulip]

what does that mean? Are you referring to syscalls

[vocal basin]

POSIX is not syscalls

POSIX is mostly a set of C functions (and types) that are expected to be present

most OSes support POSIX to some extent

[molten tulip]

I know base assemble has a syscall method but you have to set up the registers and everything. And C would have a predefined function in a library to handle it

[vocal basin]

macOS is POSIX-compliant and you don't have access to syscalls there

[vocal basin]

sqlx seems to have its own driver for PostgreSQL

[molten tulip]

I have an itch to learn rust since im getting more into embedded systems and dont want to worry about memory bugs, but i feel like go is better in the long run for me since im more interested in distributed systems for a career path

[vocal basin]

if you want distributed systems, there isn't much better in Go compared to Rust

if you want native distribution support, then Erlang

Rust has some Erlang-inspired stuff

e.g. Bastion and Lunatic

Bastion is unfortunately abandoned

[molten tulip]

@jovial merlin If you want to learn a REAL programming language just learn assembly

At the end of the day every other language is just wappers around it

[vocal basin]

C tends to be faster than Assembly

compiled languages have been faster than manually writing machine code ever since Fortran

[molten tulip]

@jovial merlin Im messing with you

[upper basin]

Greetings.

I'd recommend first learning some linear algebra (what vectors are, what matrices are, what eigendecomposition is, etc.), and then do an introductory course with quantum mechanics (covering the math again, and introducing the main datastructure/IR we use called a quantum circuit) and then choose one application (optimization, ML, simulation, or sth else) and write code for it.

Main thing to learn is quantum circuits and the math behind that. Everything else can be picked up when needed.

For coding, everyone usually recommends Qiskit because it has the most material for pedagogical purposes. They do lecture series on yt, blogs, and summer schools. Also tons of other people have made books/courses/repos around qiskit so it's a must-know for the field.

[vocal basin]

__M__achine
why am I being so German about noun capitalisation

[molten tulip]

I hear fortran and cobol is where the $$$ at

[vocal basin]

used to be

[molten tulip]

And I have reason to believe it's gonna be like that for a looooooooooooooong time

[vocal basin]

COBOL salaries dropped

yeah they did

natural market dynamics

yes kind of

there were some spikes of demand

e.g. when everyone realised the century was about to end

[vocal basin]

very unpredictable event

[vocal basin]

pretty much anything that goes through LLVM is going to have the same performance unless you've made an error

there was some dumb diagram comparing language performance

[molten tulip]

@somber heath sound plausible. but imo most companies would see a migration as a money sink right? Plus banks need efficiency and time saves. I'm pretty sure it'd take a long time to decide whether a migration would be worth it

[vocal basin]

and the time coefficient was something like:
C: 1.00
Rust: 1.00
C++: 1.05

how do you manage to make C++ slower than C

just how

[sturdy tiger]

Hmm.. I am interested to know more!! About it...

[molten tulip]

I learned a few days ago most mobile apps run on java

"The world runs on java"

sound a new lang to pick up @jovial merlin XD

[sturdy tiger]

I sent you frnd request!

[upper basin]

Linear Algebra Done Right 3rd edition for the linear algebra part. Do it fully for best result, but can also do until end of chapter 3 for elementary understanding of the main concepts.

Depending on what medium you prefer, you can go with Quantum Information and Quantum Computation by Nielsen and Chuang (long ass book that covers practically everything but at a shallow level for the most part), or do a course. Tons of material out there.

Then practice with coding. Libraries to know are Qiskit, TKET, Pennylane, and Cirq for starter. Then you'll get a feel for what to try to learn afterwards.

[upper basin]

I'd prefer to answer here.

[molten tulip]

@somber heath but everything is a trade-off. At the end of the day you just have to ask, do i want it to look nice or do i want it done now.

[upper basin]

You can get all the resources for free online as well.

[molten tulip]

plus at a certain point it just becomes a matter of opinion

[sturdy tiger]

Hm got it.. I should learn maths first then language..!

[upper basin]

If you don't feel like doing a book, or reading full course, then try the Peter Wittek course on youtube.

[sturdy tiger]

I sent cuz Ig I may need your guidance in future!..

[sturdy tiger]

Oh thanks!

[upper basin]

Quantum Computing is just an implementation theory for Quantum Mechanics. You need to know what quantum states (2-norm normalized vectors of length 2^N for qubit systems), quantum operators (unitary matrices with dimension 2^N x 2^N), and main principles such as superposition (linear combination of statevectors), entanglement (inability to represent a many-body superposition state as a product of smaller systems), and interference (change in a statevector from applying/multiplying a matrix/operator with it) are.

That's what the math covers.

I don't know what your goal is with it, but to do it properly you should definitely learn the math. The rest to catch up with other developers is to practice, and read recent work.

[sturdy tiger]

Oh .. I know a bit about superposition, entanglement, some logic gates..

[upper basin]

i.e., tensor networks are an advanced topic in quantum computing, and one that is again built from the generalization of the linear algebra part. You'll learn how it ties in with quantum computing.

[sturdy tiger]

Like I am interested in quantum but a bit confused like what things I can do with.. I just know it's used in research..

[sturdy tiger]

Can I know a bit about you..! So that Ig I can get some exposure..

[upper basin]

Quantum computing is basically another high performance computer when used properly. You have to express programs in terms of quantum circuits and be mindful of the hardware characteristics (hardware topology, qubit errors, quantum volume of the circuit, etc.) and then you can start making applications.

You then can indicate whether what you made is useful or not by answering two questions:

1. Is the quantum approach better than brute-forced classical approach? If so, you have reached utility.
2. Is the quantum approach better than the state-of-the-art classical approach? If so, you have reached advantage.

We are in utility era for the most part.

[upper basin]

I'm usually here in the vc. I'd be more than happy to discuss it there.

You can also ping me here whenever you need.

[sturdy tiger]

Np! Thanks!

[sturdy tiger]

Where u work..! I mean in Google? Or Microsoft?

[upper basin]

No.

[sturdy tiger]

So where? Or Ig u are like an independent developer! Right?

[sturdy tiger]

Ah .. actually we have a group of students who are interested in quantum.. basically we are high school students and B.Tech students who are leading this.. and am seeking someone who can join us who has some experience..!!

[whole bear]

Hi @royal pumice

[royal pumice]

HELLO

[whole bear]

wassup

[royal pumice]

how are you i am fine

[whole bear]

gtk, I'm good.

so what do you do?

[royal pumice]

i am fresh to coding i have learned c++ basics you say it in 12 grade now i have bought python course from udemy and started to learn python coding full flash

i have also gotten my admission in BS(Ai) and semister will start from september i think so as i remembered

[whole bear]

so you're exploring python from start, that's great!

[royal pumice]

yes🤣 ❤️

[whole bear]

I see!

[royal pumice]

what about you

[whole bear]

so what did you learn till now?

[whole bear]

I work mostly with django.

[royal pumice]

basics i bought 2 days ago

[royal pumice]

what is this can you tell it in short

[whole bear]

gotcha! so what do you wanna become?

[whole bear]

aah I'm sorry!, basically it's a web framework(a whole package that provides every functionality related to it)

Hi @wind raptor

great, hbu

yeah mostly it's my job!

we had a talk about this earlier ig if you remember

btw do you know any joke?

aah, instant one!

😂 nice

hmmmm, I don't remember any joke like I used to do when I was in school. don't remember the bad one 😔

yeah I do remember this dialogue, I heard this somewhere

it's all about the execution

Yep yep

[vocal basin]

I think War and Peace is still the longest book I've ever read

very likely to remain such

@wind raptor Austin special: "count the lanes" test

unprinter

definitely meaning this cnc

how modern is modern

is soviet era lathe considered modern

(I'd assume yes)

[spark crystal]

hello

how are you all doing

what are you guys all doing

[vocal basin]

seems like one of the games that used to crash on my PC now works

after several updates

unlike its first part which got completely broken by them

@wind raptor youtube being funny by placing matching videos together

I don't think I've ever welded anything yet

we used heated metal to cut through plastic

interesting experience

[vocal basin]

(copper wire under current)

we also did something similar in school too

but without cutting anything

this wikipedia caption reads like an ad

[wind raptor]

https://www.rustoleum.com/-/media/2578A9F8437F44FC9A4B9D5530329C45.png?sc_lang=en

[dry jasper]

https://youtu.be/IkM8tUDnutA

[spark crystal]

were you are all from

hi ace

hello

hello

EthicalPerson

nice

hello

neel

[spark crystal]

it look nice

[craggy vale]

haha thanks

[spark crystal]

how many people

hello

smur

[stuck furnace]

Yo

Not bad 😄

[spark crystal]

nice to hear man

[opaque dagger]

👋

[spark crystal]

were are you from Animmo

hello

Robinhood

hello num

[upper basin]

X = np.array([
    [0.99206416-0.03265184j, -0.05630551+0.10757439j],
    [-0.05630551-0.10757439j, -0.99206416-0.03265184j]
])

np.linalg.det(X)

[wind raptor]

[[ 0.99206416-0.03265184j -0.05630551+0.10757439j]
 [-0.05630551-0.10757439j -0.99206416-0.03265184j]]

(-1.0000000000521232-6.938893904268906e-18j)

[fierce sail]

wassup chris!

jus chillin

was trying out blender..started loving it

howz this?

@wind raptor what do u do?

crazzy!

i hate it btw

nah full stack

exactly

i luv ml

[dry jasper]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/devtools/3d-view/

[fierce sail]

bye guys its 1 am here

hv a gr8 one

peace!!

[vocal basin]

I'm not

high frequency bureaucracy

JetBrains Toolbox tried to pop-up scare me
what did I do
what does it want

we do have people who can't read well and use TTS

(relatively regular)

[vocal basin]

non-sane but funny idea: have channel permissions changed dynamically based on whether there's a mod in VC

would be terrible but funny

[wise wing]

omg what permissions are you thinking, that'd be hilarious

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor I think having an implicit second path where the requirement is fewer messages but more message blocks and longer in-VC-listening time (and maybe longer in-server time) may be an option

@haughty pier the VC perm would be through a different role likely

similar to how helpers are voice-verified

effectively

@haughty pier Chris is in the second one I think

@wind raptor I think implicit other route specifically for cannot-type-well case is kind of okay;
not demanding, patiently explaining their limitation => moderator can decide to temporary-skip-verify them

it had come up before

@haughty pier that's why not advertise that option

handle most of that outside the public channel

[craggy vale]

working on linux kernel

[vocal basin]

@haughty pier trolls would need to be around for a while to use that anyway

GPT implant

@sweet sorrel depends on the token type

some types are legitimate

e.g. you can join servers on users' behalf

and that's not rule-breaking

whether it's ethical or not, that's a separate question

@wind raptor to get in trouble it also needs to be true

[wind raptor]

It probably wouldn't be that hard to research... But it would be time intensive

[vocal basin]

would be funny if two bordering countries were such that one bans the honey and another bans the plant;
so bees would have to cross the border each time

bees crossing the DMZ

[vocal basin]

since we now learned that honey is illegal in South Korea, we just need to check if North Korea meets the criteria for the other one

[sweet sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/keepers-alien-dmt-gif-18073690

https://www.iflscience.com/why-do-people-see-elves-and-other-entities-when-they-smoke-dmt-62234

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor classic mistake of agreeing to "morning" not real time

[wind raptor]

Never again

I've learned

[vocal basin]

I've just remembered

I have 100% chocolate

time to eat it

like

3~4 pieces

(I have that much, not planning to each that much)

[sharp summit]

well glhf

💀

[molten tulip]

Has anyone done any site migrations?

[wind raptor]

https://www.kevinandamanda.com/peanut-butter-pie/

[molten tulip]

Ive heard theyre hard but dont understand why

[vocal basin]

migration in what sense?

[molten tulip]

I think database migrations

[vocal basin]

that's separate from websites

[molten tulip]

O

[vocal basin]

are you using an ORM?

what database are you using and what libraries to access it?

[wind raptor]

sql -> nosql or vice versa can be a pain

[vocal basin]

we're doing that at work

it's not that much pain

[wind raptor]

which way are you going?

[vocal basin]

SQL was too irrelevant to what we do

data was not relational enough

[wind raptor]

ahh

[vocal basin]

plus I'm the only one there who actually understands proper SQL usage

and most of it was written before me

[molten tulip]

None, ive never done nor needed to do it. But ive heard its hard so i wanted to hear testamonies from people that have experience

[vocal basin]

migrating from one DB to another != database migration

generally

changing one DB for another DB is usually referred to as switching

[wind raptor]

data types can be a bit different but most things translate well

[molten tulip]

So all in all, it shouldnt be too bad

[wind raptor]

There's some ORM tools that make it really easy also

[molten tulip]

And changing a site from one server to another shouldnt be bad if you use docker right? Since its containerized and configurations can be easily transferred

[molten tulip]

The only orm ive used is the built-in django one

I saw one for a js environment but i hate js so i stayed away from it

[vocal basin]

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.2/topics/migrations/

when did Django adopt that tagline

with how high you are, it's always 4:20

[keen ingot]

I think I need to get some sleep.
gn guys

[wind raptor]

Cheers! Have an awesome one!

[vocal basin]

the most meals per day I was able to shove into myself was 5

I just can't eat much even if I try

[vocal basin]

which is 2~3 times more than usual

@wind raptor did discord app die again

ah, you're here

no, you just weren't responding

[primal shadow]

What dog whistle do we have?

hello

getting there

What is or isn't a dog whistle/

No new features, just learning

No, regarding the nazis

[wind raptor]

Ahh

[primal shadow]

dog whistle is a thing that most people won't understand as a bad thing

but those who know, know

like 1488

[wind raptor]

Yeah, I do not know

[primal shadow]

many mgiht think it's a number, but it's nazi shit

Or all the 88's sprinkled in Trump's regime

[vocal basin]

Thielocracy 🚀

[primal shadow]

Like the pair of 88 foot flagpoles Trump had installed.

I'd never get a poodle

I'm a huge fan of mutts

herd or hurt?

Purebred is generally inbred

Just like royalty

That's what inbreeding will do for ya

The defective gene becomes a feature of the breed

I think mutts look better too

Look at this beauty

fuck if I know

a mutt

lol

I used to foster puppies...

that was...

Lots of fun, because always had a puppy...

but always poop and pee

But they were so cute

[vocal basin]

meanwhile cats doing that out of spite

[primal shadow]

automate school with python

Ewww C#

Because Java wasn't gross enough

Sprinkle some M$FT in there

[vocal basin]

C# outinnovated Java, now waiting a few decades for Java to outinnovate C#

[primal shadow]

I didn't say Java was good

[craggy vale]

hello ?

[primal shadow]

I said Java is gross, so Microsoft Java is...

They flavored it with Microsoft

maybe added some sugar

[vocal basin]

GraalrossVM

[primal shadow]

but I won't drink shit tea no matter how much sugar you put in it

[wise wing]

@sharp summit o/ just lurking

[sharp summit]

ah ok

[vocal basin]

C# has async-await

C# popularised async-await

and Java uses green threads instead

[primal shadow]

Did they not jsut have the 4th of July across the world?

Is that a uniquely American date?

Do they all just jump from 3 -> 5?

[vocal basin]

we had fireworks on 5th

because it's Saturday

all fireworks happen on Saturday

[primal shadow]

What are you talking about?

I've been hearing fireworks for 2 weeks

will keep hearing them for 4 more

[vocal basin]

alternatively scientific observation

if you hear fireworks on a Monday, that Monday is Saturday

[primal shadow]

They set up firework vendors under tents in all the parking lots practically

then after the 4th, fire sales

Literally burning money

[vocal basin]

here fireworks might be technically banned

[primal shadow]

but poeple love it

[vocal basin]

because, well, war

[primal shadow]

Goes up in smoke

I mean

food gives nutrition

experience

restaurant

is an experience

I want better drone shows

[vocal basin]

I don't remember fireworks being that much fun ever

guess why we don't have drone shows

[primal shadow]

I wonder....

[wise wing]

hi @craggy vale lol

[primal shadow]

My guess is genocide.

[wise wing]

o//

[wise wing]

i'm sorry what

LMAO

oh

[primal shadow]

The reason for no drone shows

drones are reserved for genocide

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

[wise wing]

i read that afterwards

i was like what the

what a leap

hahaha

china does drone shows

[pseudo trellis]

@wind raptor Hello! how are you?

[wise wing]

they broke a world record recently for a big one

[wind raptor]

Good, thanks! How about you?

[wise wing]

(the previous world record holder was also china lmao)

[vocal basin]

china
"not that genocide, a different one"

we now have some random illumination in parks

the clouds are purple

way too purple

I don't like it

[pseudo trellis]

glad to hear! i'm decent, been flopping through resources and programming languages, for a while 😔 did not realize that you were an admin

[vocal basin]

light pollution is unfun

[wind raptor]

Very recent development 😄

[wise wing]

fair

at least you guys can buy fireworks

they're illegal here haha

[craggy vale]

u use linux

[wise wing]

(people don't care tho)

[craggy vale]

and u ?

[wise wing]

only when i ssh into my uni pc's

im a windows user

[pseudo trellis]

are you asking? 🤔

[vocal basin]

I tried installing WSL