voice-chat-text-0

[wise cargo]

✅ @primal shadow can now stream until <t:1750606801:f>.

[eager thorn]

currently here it feels like 88f at almost 11am 🥵

@wind raptor

[primal shadow]

stable 410194 (9c7437b) Host 1.0.9195 x64 (64638) Build Override: N/A Windows 10 64-bit (10.0.19045)

[vocal basin]

@jovial merlin the other Chris

Primeagen complained about GitHub's OTP dialogue being misdesigned

and seems like now it's changed

@shy elk noise is coming through your mic

@wise loom DP is one of the least varied topics, yes

it's more about spotting how to apply it

"dynamic" is a bit misleading in the name

because it's actually about limiting the mutability a lot

close to persistent data structures

and pure functions

in a very simple form, within leetcode-ish contexts, DP is just @functools.cache

but usually modelled explicitly without a call stack

I don't know any specific books about algorithms

Wikipedia is often good enough for general information of algorithms/data structures

[wise loom]

A book that describes this idea of converting recursive to iterative but in more depth and with exercises

Preferably Python and not exotic Scheme/Lisp/Haskell or functional stuff

Chapter 5 from HoP talks about this https://hop.perl.plover.com/book/pdf/HigherOrderPerl.pdf

but it’s arcane Perl and lacks exercises

I never agreed with the author’s complete lack of exercises.

[shy elk]

sorry

[wise loom]

Would be nice if HoP were ported to modern-day Python and exercises were added. Would be worth reading, I think.

[wind raptor]

!stream 1319370380078743584

[wise cargo]

✅ @jovial merlin can now stream until <t:1750614083:f>.

[astral coral]

What does draw() do? Show the code?

[jovial merlin]

thanks

[wind raptor]

!stream 1285668914092572682 20M

[wise cargo]

✅ @manic spear can now stream until <t:1750616855:f>.

[wind raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xipg02Wu8s

!stream 1319370380078743584 1h

[wise cargo]

✅ @jovial merlin can now stream until <t:1750632989:f>.

[jovial merlin]

ty

[somber heath]

@timid gale @twilit hull @raven galleon 👋

@brisk violet 👋

[twilit hull]

Hi @somber heath !!

[wind raptor]

Back in a bit

[craggy vale]

@jovial merlin

[kindred otter]

It will cover for the game display

As well as background and character

[somber heath]

@marble flicker 👋

[marble flicker]

hi

[somber heath]

@tiny ermine 👋

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[tiny ermine]

do not want to type sorry

[somber heath]

@vivid spade 👋

[vivid spade]

Hello

I can't speak

I don't have permission to speak in the channel

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[vivid spade]

Oh, tks!

[somber heath]

@granite jay 👋

@gritty elbow 👋

@languid briar 👋

[languid briar]

hi

[granite jay]

Oii

[languid briar]

i dont have a miv permision

why?

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[languid briar]

!voice

You are not currently eligible to use voice inside Python Discord for the following reasons:

You have been on the server for less than 3 days.
You have sent less than 50 messages.
You have been active for fewer than 3 ten-minute blocks.

[granite jay]

Im from Brasil

O dont understand english

[languid briar]

i actualy loking for an advice with fast API and JWT

do u guys familiar with it ?

[hidden breach]

whats your actual question about it? are you struggling with a specific piece of code?

[languid briar]

kinda with a concept

[manic spear]

@granite jay No momento, você não está qualificado para usar voz no Discord em Python pelos seguintes motivos:

Você está no servidor há menos de 3 dias.
Você enviou menos de 50 mensagens.
Você esteve ativo por menos de 3 blocos de dez minutos.

[languid briar]

im basicly just start making my first FAST api app and cant understand JWT

how does client get refreshed token after old is expired

should I send him new token as soon as he login with expired one?

or I need and refresh_token endpoin?

[torn yarrow]

We need a "meow" tag

[languid briar]

hey

[hidden breach]

@languid briar i think what you are looking for is access tokens vs refresh tokens

https://www.baeldung.com/cs/access-refresh-tokens

[languid briar]

wow thanks

[hidden breach]

i think the general idea (i am not an expert in this) is you send both, the access token that expires in a short period of time and the refresh token that u send for a long period of time.

and if your access token expires and your refresh token has not, you can get a new access token (probably by the refresh token endpoint you mentioned!)

[languid briar]

im trying to understand how does client handle it
for instance, once he trying to get smth and receive 401 because his token is expired. Thus, he have to handle that case and just immediately call refresh end point with his second long-term token?

[lavish rover]

@summer birch #❓｜how-to-get-help

[hidden breach]

imo the client doesnt even need to know he is sending the second long-term token or the access token

this is because the server sent both as cookies when first creating the token, and browsers will send both cookies back on each request to the server automatically so the client just hits your /refresh-token endpoint and the server figures it out (401? token refresh?)

something reasonable might look like, from the client side

refresh token hasnt expired -> server returns 200 OK + updates cookies -> client proceed as normal
refresh token expired -> server returns 401 Unauthorized -> then client redirects to login

[languid briar]

oh i see

so server just update cokies when short token is expired

am right?

[manic spear]

@astral coral can you help @summer birch

[hidden breach]

sounds like it will work

[languid briar]

thx

[hidden breach]

[languid briar]

glad to join this server )

[hidden breach]

i just set up my netflix account

any show recommendations

[languid briar]

have u ever watch love death and robots?

[hidden breach]

no

whats it about

[languid briar]

each serie has it unique style and idea

they totaly independent

like a black mirror

but animated

[hidden breach]

ohh black mirror is another i might want to try watching

so animated black mirror

[languid briar]

i personaly like first two seasons

do u now red hot chilii peppers?

[hidden breach]

also no

[languid briar]

oh thats fine, its my dad generation rock band )

they just have a collaboration at the last season

btw recommend to watch first season

do u like anime?

[hidden breach]

i recently watched frieren: beyond journey's end and now i keep rewatching the boss fight

[languid briar]

love it)

mine wallpaper _

https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81281579

u can try this one

[hidden breach]

thanks!!

[languid briar]

@wind raptor sry guys, which position are u talking about?

like at the factory?

im 22 just about to gradute from college

wow how can land this position join?

do u mean engenering?

[pine depot]

yeah

electrical engineering / controls engineering

[languid briar]

@wind raptor bachelor?

[wind raptor]

advanced diploma

Canada works different haha

[languid briar]

I was in micro electronics in my home country, but than switched it programing here

[languid briar]

im also at diploma

are u in Toronto?

[wind raptor]

No, but my school was.

[languid briar]

@pine depot worked hard to make matched

@pine depot damn right

@pine depot I guess its not non experience friendly area

@somber heath ahahahahhaha

LOL XD

hahahahah

[somber heath]

@burnt dove 👋

[burnt dove]

hii

[languid briar]

lol dude
I dust pay 30k for college diploma

*for immigration price is higher

Canada thing

2-3 diploma

[wind raptor]

https://www.robertsoncollege.com/site-content/uploads/2020/08/Certificate-Diploma-Degree-854x1024.webp
https://www.cambriz.com/images/visa/canada-study-1.jpg

[languid briar]

just give u skiils to enter job

[burnt dove]

its kind of crash course for full time degree

[languid briar]

but be honest is way weaker than university

in general

most colleges here just taking money

@pine depot its how edication system work )

i kinda agree and disagree
Ive been at university and college

and as a kid i would defenetly go to university

damn i wish i can speak with u )

[wind raptor]

You will soon enough! 3 days to get perms

[languid briar]

yes

@pine depot

[wind raptor]

!stream 373121697957543946 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @wind raptor can now stream until <t:1750649211:f>.

[wind raptor]

!stream 85175317991268352 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @pine depot can now stream until <t:1750649236:f>.

[languid briar]

@wind raptor any way i can get mic perms faster?

((((

[wind raptor]

Sorry, no dice

[languid briar]

be honest, if not u guys i will leave and never come back

[wind raptor]

Even if I could grant them (which I cannot, only admins can add roles) I still would not make exceptions or everyone would want an exception

[languid briar]

the guy just help me at the chat, so i like the channel alredy

friendly community

i now, i just work on my resume projects and was needed some help

@wind raptor no problem)

thx for explanation

@pine depot true

100%

[wise loom]

I just made a $27 ebook using AI. Watch how I did it so you can do it too.
Here I am in designer and the first thing you'll notice is this clean user-interface.
All I have to do is pick a topic. Hit enter and boom, designer has [..]
It's that simple. And just like that, we have a complete ebook.
Let's choose a template [..] I like this one.
[..]
Now I can sell this, use it as a leads magnet [..]
-- ads youtube is serving me

[languid briar]

@pine depot hahahhahah lol \

@pine depot do u have to pay extra tax for horse power in USA?

i mean in my country u pay fee each year by horse power and liters in your engine

[somber heath]

@alpine quiver 👋

@severe saffron 👋

[wind raptor]

!stream 85175317991268352 1h

[wise cargo]

✅ @pine depot can now stream until <t:1750653441:f>.

[languid briar]

im here for while

take care

see ua

ahhahahahha

sound like so many problems there ))))

@wind raptor are u planing work as a software?

he jsut said that he graduated

am I mixed smth?

[languid briar]

is it for conveyors?

like a manufacture software?

@wind raptor

see u

yes

@pine depot so basicly your job is the create a logic for manufacture machines?

dont u have to be super familiar

because there so many different machines

i see, i have some expirince with gcode and CNC machines at window manufacture

yes i do

))))

its ok, im done soon

have a work toomorow

of course

im an imigrant in Canada

gotta pay my college

instaling roof hazard protection tommrow

I noticed

im from Russia

)))))

[pine depot]

tandoori

or vindaloo

[craggy vale]

My food is 🍚 rice

Fish

Nice

Yeah know

My microphone

Hold on when I go to home 🏠 I come back I am in road

[languid briar]

do u bild small vercsion of machine to test logic somoteimes? Or is there a program simulators?

wow

but if smth go wrong

it could cost mil

))))

i see

thats why u hired )

damn

thats f cool

i see

[woeful blaze]

👋

[languid briar]

sup

[woeful blaze]

nothing much exept finding a invalid syn

[languid briar]

whats there?

oh that for new guy

[woeful blaze]

paste.pythondiscord.com/352A

[languid briar]

same no ideas

@pine depot but how stop is not phisical?

[woeful blaze]

some game code it tells me there is a SyntaxError: invalid syntax
so the link is to that code

[languid briar]

sry, not familiar with it

@pine depot cant you keep it in one row?

i see

@pine depot its gonna make scheme super huge )

oh hahahha

[woeful blaze]

i was shortening syntax it to syn as Im tpying in the dark

[languid briar]

@pine depot wait, but u didnt turn it off

when stop presed its make STOP_ALL true

so it is not gonna off motors

so thislogic continusly looping?

i see

i was thinking one time exection

[indigo quest]

Aight,

[languid briar]

@pine depot can u code stop motor when check_status fails?

[indigo quest]

Ill be back in just a sec.

[languid briar]

@pine depot is there standarts that u have to follow to make sequence readble for other programmers

like systaxis

logicly clear

its masive topic

i like engeniring actualy

will do some research on this area

@pine depot u like a college proff at the zoom class)))

prof Zak )

@pine depot MELSOFT GX LogViewer

gcode?

[craggy vale]

is this the software name he are working on?

oh

[languid briar]

GX works 3

yes

i familiar with windows forms

i see

so there is main sequence logic that have many many sub sequences?

and its looping

hahahhahaha

i see

make sence

pure logic

[craggy vale]

yeah

[languid briar]

is it like passing value?

oh i see

define it

sure

any languge

c as well if it is easier for ua

i like the way how u use python to translate it

its like google translate for programmers XD

why 0 (false)???

oh i see

got it

Ok, thaks for this nice lectur, unfortinatly i need to sleep

will defently learn some more

[craggy vale]

I know -----

python
asm
C#
C++ and C++ modified arduino programming
and basic html, css,
that's it @pine depot

[languid briar]

1:20 am )

bryce automation

[pine depot]

www.bryceautomation.com

[languid briar]

alredy there )

[craggy vale]

thanks

[languid briar]

XD

still young and looking for profesion

Thnk you prffesor

have a nice day)

ahahahhahahah

see u next time when ill have a mic )

for whome?

[pine depot]

google integrator

[languid briar]

oh isee

sounds like a dream

[craggy vale]

yeah

[languid briar]

700hp BMW waiting for u tommrow

of course

il love the sound

[languid briar]

thats make it special

[craggy vale]

woow

[languid briar]

thats the reason why lambo not mess woth u

they afraid

hahahahha

[craggy vale]

woow

[languid briar]

ok good night

[craggy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/bmw-m4-gif-21989231

[languid briar]

thanks again

for sharing

[pine depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXVNYhyy-pA

[craggy vale]

is this your blog?

oh okay

[winged heart]

test

[craggy vale]

huh?

[wise loom]

Section 174 is going strong 💪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSbiV5gM4mc

Section 174 is going strong 💪

[somber heath]

@keen rivet 👋

@blazing monolith 👋

[blazing monolith]

yo hello guys

[wise loom]

International Business Machines Let's Go !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1H4EXcALI

Full corporate efficiency, let's go!

[hot drum]

hi @somber heath

[jovial merlin]

prices = [10, 25, 5]
items = ["apple", "banana", "carrot"]
budget = 15

can_buy = []
cant = total = 0

for item, price in zip(items, prices):
    if price <= budget:
        can_buy.append(item)
        total += price
    else:
        cant += 1

print(can_buy, total, cant)

[somber heath]

!e ```py
data = [[1, 2, 3],
[4, 5, 6],
[7, 8, 9]]

for each in zip(*data):
print(each)```

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | (1, 4, 7)
002 | (2, 5, 8)
003 | (3, 6, 9)

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f32XroDIfQ

Tech and Finance are going away. Let's go!

[exotic loom]

Helllo

👋

[somber heath]

@dire mortar 👋

@acoustic trellis 👋

[acoustic trellis]

yeah :')

[woeful blaze]

dt = self.globalClock.getDt()```
hhhurrggg

why wont that work

[somber heath]

@mint shale 👋

[vocal basin]

@peak depot it's a meta-dox: by saying it's doxing it becomes doxing

[whole bear]

my iems broke

like straight for 6 months?

[vocal basin]

my IAMs broke
-- average AWS dev

[whole bear]

whats an IAM

[vocal basin]

something access management

identity and access management

[whole bear]

does it cure adhd

[vocal basin]

IAM?

[whole bear]

airbnb

[vocal basin]

"agility and innovation"

[whole bear]

snow balls

hetzner

is the cheapest

software as a liability

[vocal basin]

I have never built anything other than static-hosting/simple tunnelling which is cloud-based

[whole bear]

@raven gale i want to get one

[vocal basin]

cloud would be very uneconomical for me

not enough scale, not enough of architecture requirements

DynamoDB is fun[ to steal ideas from]

[whole bear]

hetzner is cheaper

[vocal basin]

requires more engineering to get analytics done

[whole bear]

use a library

[vocal basin]

you can shove a DynamoDB changes stream down some other analytical thing

DynamoDB aims to reduce any sort of cross-item dependency whereas analytics often involve some big reduce phase which, at worst, serialises (in parallel computing sense) everything

DynamoDB without transactions and GSIs (i.e. without cross-server sync) is relatively easy to re-implement

[vocal basin]

^

I do however research a lot about databases

and cloud

especially the use of tech that's starting to be viewed as cloud-native/"serverless" outside the cloud

VMless

recently started looking more into using either Lua or WASM

this looks promising
https://lunatic.solutions/

even if abandoned

[vocal basin]

this implements green threads in Rust when running on top of WASM

Erlang-style

though doesn't yet support hot-reloading code

(unlike Erlang which does support it)

[winged heart]

test

[manic spear]

@wind raptor 👋

@spark torrent 👋

[whole bear]

hdlo

htp

@manic spear

[manic spear]

wdym

[whole bear]

irk

orsm

[manic spear]

hey @wind raptor can you help me learn python

[urban summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m1ByCupH3qrwujNvkzobGdqiZIvgEg3H8Zi_Fiy_6TQ/edit?usp=sharing

[opaque locust]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Weavile_(Ultra_Prism_74)

[urban summit]

https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/all-products

[tulip gyro]

print("hello")

[urban summit]

'''

[opaque locust]

~

[somber heath]

@opaque locust You're silent, but your mic is hanging open. Mentioning it in case you were unaware.

@obtuse trellis 👋

[obtuse trellis]

hi

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[urban summit]

https://cells4life.com/2025/01/stem-cell-treatment-cures-type-1-diabetes/#:~:text=A 25-year-old woman,worldwide suffering from this disease.

[opaque locust]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Weavile_(Next_Destinies_70)

[urban summit]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AJ-55PdYLss?feature=share

[tulip gyro]

Pokemon Generation 1

import numpy as np
from manim import * 
from utility import *
from square_utility import *
import os

class Pokemon(Scene):
    def construct(self):
        Pokemon = ImageMobject("Weavile.jpg")
        Pokemon.scale(1.5)  # Optional: scale the image
        self.add(Pokemon)
        self.wait(.5)
        self.play(Pokemon.animate.move_to(LEFT*4))
        text1 = Text("Pokemon: Weavile", font="Pokemon Generation 1")
        text1.move_to(np.array([2.7,3,0]))
        self.play(Write(text1))


if __name__ == "__main__":
    config.media_width = "50%"
    scene = Pokemon()
    scene.render()```

[somber heath]

@naive geyser 👋

!voice

[wise cargo]

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[naive geyser]

ik... i can't bc i left the server and just rejoined it

😭

rip

yeah... idrk why i left it

do you think ppl will want to help me?

im not sure bc I think it would be alot of work

are you fine if i post the link here?

to the help post

yeah i learned that using chatgpt is not a thing yall like to hear... 😭

i feel like there has to be a way simpler way of doing things, but idk how to do the discord vc thing...

this is what cat said in the main chat

Both. Not just the stigma and general treatment of everyone who goes "Ai will replace you" but the code itself is frequently overcomplicated, confusing, overly verbose, and nonsensical in places.

More importantly, and why I won't generally offer assistance with AI-generated code, frequently the AI code does nothing to solve the actual problem (and smokescreens with a dozen magically-solve named functions) and trying to convince someone else of that who is invested in the AI working is a fools errand and a one-way ticket to a frustrating conversation--so I don't just bother.

sry to interupt

ok

oh ok

ok

yeah

do you think that the code is like overly complex?

like do you think i could make the same bot in half the code if i did it myself?

ok

ok

yeah

do you know of any good resources to help you with a specific thing to do in python? like for example if i want to make a cooldown on something a resource where i could easily search up how to do that?... im guessing YouTube is probably the best, right?

mhm

ok... well i guess im going to go and start from scratch now and try to code it myself... 😭

ok , thank you for your help! ❤️

oh ok will do!

ok

oh lol sounds chaotic

rip

or got eaten...

yeah... hopefully it recovered or if it did pass on hopefully if was swift and painless

it was taking a nap lol

yeah

yeah, a bit risky

nice!

yep

yeah

yeah, just let it take its course

yeah me too

dang

thats good

yeah

ight... ima go work on my code... thank you for the help lol! ❤️

[somber heath]

@light sierra 👋

[light sierra]

[somber heath]

@visual minnow 👋

[somber heath]

https://github.com/mrhavens/why-agi-cannot-be-atheist

[whole bear]

hello

what does the snek server tag mean?

ohh yess

@somber heath is roadmap.sh a good website

looks like geometry dash

@somber heath apparently programming jobs are bad

is that true.......

yes but i mean in making money haha

[somber heath]

@haughty tiger 👋

[haughty tiger]

hi

why cant i unmute?

[somber heath]

@edgy heron 👋

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[haughty tiger]

oh

well i didnt do it

[craggy vale]

ok

[astral coral]

woah, I liek this

[somber heath]

I felt it had the same energy as TempleOS.

[astral coral]

ahahahahah I didn't read all of it but I enjoy these type of discussions

more focused on the shit rizz project atm

will have a deeper look later

[slow turtle]

hii

[modest shale]

am i not audible?

[somber heath]

@topaz wadi 👋

[slow turtle]

@modest shale DSA is good for interviews

[modest shale]

is it neccesary

[topaz wadi]

hello

[slow turtle]

depends on the country and the companies i think

[topaz wadi]

hi

[slow turtle]

i am investing more time making projects

lol

[modest shale]

lmao be mute @craggy vale

[craggy vale]

yeah

@modest shale u are indian?

[modest shale]

check this prb in youtube

[craggy vale]

ok

[modest shale]

yeah

delete this img btw

[somber heath]

This one.

[plain mantle]

HELOO

https://youtu.be/NpmFbWO6HPU?si=1TNCvn2f4-HjE7Ne

is this good

just make a glance

[modest shale]

just pick one course bro

@craggy vale bhai mic mt on kar

[craggy vale]

okay

okay

[somber heath]

@craggy vale Your microphone audio is BAD. Please fix the problem before using it here.

[craggy vale]

okay okay sorry

[somber heath]

On your OS settings, put the microphone sensitivity in the middle of the slider.

[somber heath]

To start with.

Then, using Discord, use the Mic Test feature to listen to how you sound.

Adjust accordingly.

[static tree]

noob qustion
how to actually contribute to open source
like every one wants to see open source contribution on profile of fresher and (me a noob ) what should i do

[slow turtle]

make open source projects.

[modest shale]

first be good at programing

[slow turtle]

get contribution on your repo

[static tree]

figured that

[modest shale]

i mean thats obivous if ur code bad nobody will accept it anyway

[static tree]

ik but PPL still expacts this

[slow turtle]

#include <stdio.h>

int isPrime(int num);

int main(){
  int nums[10] = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8};
  int n = 8;
  printf("Prime numz are");
  for(int i=0; i < n; i++){
    if (isPrime(nums[i])){
      printf("\n%d",nums[i]);   
    }
  }
}
int isPrime(int num){
  if (num < 2){
    return -1;
  }
  for (int i=2; i < num; i++){
    if (num % i == 0){
      return 0;
    }
  }
  return 1;
}```

i got exams tmrw

[dull sluice]

in my school if the teacher doest grade the tests in 2 weeks or idk how many you dont hae to take the grade

i cant complain of the cold
here its 28.4°C in my room

[somber heath]

@lone fiber @quick hazel 👋

[lone fiber]

Hey

I don't have permission to speak yet

[peak depot]

+12, windy and rainy

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[dull sluice]

from inside thats lovely weather
tho i wouldnt go out

[sharp merlin]

hlo guys

[dull sluice]

i have played on one but i dont think we ever had one

[somber heath]

@valid linden 👋

[valid linden]

Hi

[somber heath]

@woeful olive 👋

@leaden shard 👋

[upper basin]

https://www.canva.com/design/DAGrJS4gMdg/PRMngLvcBrai417sEGx2Jw/view?utm_content=DAGrJS4gMdg&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=uniquelinks&utlId=ha5415f337d

[somber heath]

@shy perch 👋

@urban ledge 👋

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lady-hug-all-the-cats-i-want-all-the-cats-crying-crazy-gif-6029890

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cry-thinking-about-cats-crying-im-sorry-im-thinking-about-cats-again-gif-9433104

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-it-spicy-spicy-tiktok-vine-lubs-gif-21823750

[somber heath]

@fleet coral 👋

[fleet coral]

Hello

[somber heath]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

@dusk violet 👋

@flat wadi 👋

[flat wadi]

yeah hi

[dusk violet]

Hi mate

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[languid briar]

sup guys

[craggy vale]

hello

[languid briar]

yep

i use when he wasnt crazy

)))))0

oh hahahahah

any of u ever made train AI models?

[craggy vale]

yeah I made

[somber heath]

@strange osprey 👋

@echo latch 👋

[echo latch]

👋

could u possibly help me with setting up

Im trying to get python through vscode

[craggy vale]

see @somber heath

[somber heath]

@minor mesa 👋

[minor mesa]

o/

kkkkkkkkkk

[peak depot]

https://youtu.be/gkBt7yLXyDk?si=CskPinMC3U2Ml4V6

https://youtu.be/VAmFwxfxwKw?si=ZKOsFrQdMIoAhjqR

[minor mesa]

bye, see you later

[craggy vale]

bye

[dull sluice]

hi

hi

[somber heath]

#media-processing message

[slow turtle]

hii again

[somber heath]

#media-processing message

[nimble lagoon]

Hello

All good thanks, and you?

Just trying to get my messages up

Nice!

Just learning the basics. I'd like to change career

[iron geyser]

Hey ^^

[woeful blaze]

hello

[iron geyser]

Yeah :p

[woeful blaze]

how is every one?

[nimble lagoon]

construction and civil engineering

[jovial merlin]

nice

[nimble lagoon]

yeah if possible

[iron geyser]

😂

[placid kernel]

Hello

[cursive niche]

hi where to start like i know 0.9/100 python , how much progress can i make in 30 days before joining engineering , want to learn some before joining

all day i spent playing so

i can give most of time

spend*

[jovial merlin]

https://coddy.tech is a pretty good site for learning programming

they have a python course aswell

basically like duolingo but coding

[cursive niche]

and should i use vs code or its for pros

[woeful blaze]

https://youtu.be/xV3gH1JZew4?si=0Jv7v50cfLS4cp-4&t=1654

[hidden flower]

o/

[vocal basin]

I'm practising vocals again

[dull sluice]

is typing: strict a bad idea in vsc or what do i do in this case bc it seems i need 2 if statements per thing just to make the errors go away

sorry i mean type warnings idk why its red

yes but to make sure its the correct type i need 2 whole if statements to check it has get attr and the get attr value is str
which is 4 extra lines per field

[whole bear]

hemlock

[dull sluice]

type hints are not enough tho

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-single-cell-single-celled-organism-organism-cellular-gif-13926730655804833030

[whole bear]

soup: typing.Any

[dull sluice]

not enought for typing strict

_OneElement: TypeAlias = Union["PageElement", "Tag", "NavigableString"]
_AtMostOneElement: TypeAlias = Optional[_OneElement]
the second is the soup.find result

[whole bear]

def unwrap[T](value: T|None) -> T:
  assert value is not None
  return value

use this

[zinc siren]

Hello 👋

[vocal basin]

this looks more than just scraping

[whole bear]

hllo

everyone

rvt = unwrap(soup.find("input", {"name": "__RequestVerificationToken"}))["value"]

[dull sluice]

yes so i need to know its a Tag bc only that has getattr and than i need to tell that the result of the get attr is a string or not

[whole bear]

󠄀

[dull sluice]

theres no official api but i and my friends and a few people i know asked and the devs say its ok to scrape for personal use

[vocal basin]

this is not just scraping if you're messing with tokens

so "ok to scrape" is irrelevant

[dull sluice]

its the school system or whatever
this code is to get a jwt that i can use to get my grades and ect

[jovial merlin]

nice

[vocal basin]

if it's a CSRF token, that means it guards state mutation

if you're directly changing the thing you're scraping, you're not scraping

(if it's CSRF)

also given how it's an input, that seems to be the case

so the only excuse is that someone seriously misengineered the website

[dull sluice]

im not sure if it applies here but in other parts they did
i do hear stuff that the devs arnt the best

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor it seems to be just CSRF

hidden field in the form

typical stuff

well, look at its id

[dull sluice]

its no 2 author it ends in a Oauth

[vocal basin]

also it's an input

[dull sluice]

i just cant change the return url so i cant do that part in chrome

[vocal basin]

well that sounds even more suspicious

remember kids: use PKCE

OAuth2 is actually surprisingly easy to implement well enough (as in not as a total security hole)

[dull sluice]

ok ill stop the project
but let me tell you things the devs messed up
the code verifier and secret dont change and
theres a nonce that doesnt change

ill check that

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor "use your knowledge for goof" -- probably Hemlock

uh

mostly death metal and stuff alike

clean vocals aren't that easy either

try speaking for a long time continuously => approximately same effect

it's important to avoid overstressing vocal cords and other stuff

including decoupling voice volume from the perceived loudness of the environment

(need to speak over something/someone => do it in the same way as if the room was quiet)

the instinctive raising of voice puts more stress on the vocal cords rather than the lungs

in my case most of the stress comes from transitions between different techniques

took a very long time to learn to switch between clean and extreme vocals safely

I think it's been 6~7 years since I started so far

only got to somewhere meaningful in 2022

[whole bear]

@wind raptor can i streaam reading a book

[dull sluice]

the option is missing for me XD

[vocal basin]

the very high notes are still deafeningly loud

[vocal basin]

and with them the opposite thing happens

I often react to that loudness by restraining the voice too much

@wind raptor make an "Incomplete, Incorporated" org on GitHub and move everything there

UML is actually not that bad, so you can try learning how to express design stuff using it

the spec is relatively short (<1000 pages iirc) for an enterprise thing

[wise loom]

For class design, and for sequence diagrams but for like infra, does UML fit?

[vocal basin]

<800 even
https://www.omg.org/spec/UML/2.5.1/PDF

[vocal basin]

@wise loom 19

@wind raptor do universities wherever you are require providing stuff like IDEF0

for final projects

stuff like that

I have never read anything other than this on idef0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDEF0

nonono

flowcharts are separate

[vocal basin]

that

[misty breach]

Hi guys

Yo I'm new to here what do u guys up to

[vocal basin]

imagine having state

🌉

imagine having any intelligence, artificial or not

[whole bear]

my linkedin about section is not written by AI but still cringe

its the same as my discord about section

[vocal basin]

I should probably slightly alter these lists

specifically bring back cryptography

[whole bear]

category theory 😭

[vocal basin]

arrows drawing

@wind raptor 30/32 is 100% in Russian maths exams
so okay

(32/32 is 100% too)

((would be surprising otherwise))

[dull sluice]

its nice when its rounded up but it does feel very bad sometimes when its rounding down
like missing 5 by .5 points

[vocal basin]

I only ever took it twice, once for the preparation, once for real

both times 30, i.e. did not improve

(all other exams were kind of failed)

((relatively))

90 instead of 100 for IT

catastrophe

when are we getting TeX scams

[whole bear]

bruh

@vocal basin do you hate haskell

[vocal basin]

phonetic trap: you cannot pronounce that correctly, because there's a s right after

[vocal basin]

why

[whole bear]

im stereotyping

[vocal basin]

the person or the language

[whole bear]

who is haskell

[vocal basin]

Haskell Curry

[dull sluice]

makes me remember that joke that i heard a new rust update comes out roughly every 42! seconds

[whole bear]

bruh

the language

[vocal basin]

10!

[whole bear]

󠄀

[dull sluice]

oh could be it was a long time i saw it

[vocal basin]

also I might've made that joke multiple times

10! seconds is 6 weeks

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 3628800
002 | 3628800.0
003 | 3628800.0

[vocal basin]

where

!e

[wise cargo]

Missing required argument

code

[vocal basin]

!e

from math import gamma, factorial
print(factorial(10))
from datetime import timedelta
print(timedelta(weeks=6).total_seconds())

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 3628800
002 | 3628800.0

[vocal basin]

why did it not run the first time

anyway

[vocal basin]

@ joe did something explode in the logs

[vocal basin]

I don't even know based on what

there are, like, multiple signs that would indicate otherwise

e.g. CT

[whole bear]

what is ct

[vocal basin]

Category Theory

[whole bear]

yea thats why

you must like some other language i dont even know of

[vocal basin]

Haskell is largely based on Category Theory, although its implementation of it is limited by such annoying thing as reality

[whole bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427069953078853633/1382865232602337310/togif.gif

[vocal basin]

I've just updated the link too

so it matches my new usernames

I changed it to just surname

I also recently updated GitHub/GitLab/Codeberg accounts

what if all those times they were off-by-one'ing when writing your URL on linkedin and ended up hiring someone else

something on the main page calls itself just "Python"

content warning: brainrot

[whole bear]

its not even correct

[vocal basin]

"not even correct" does not even capture just how incorrect it is

[whole bear]

god i hate linkedin

[vocal basin]

the what

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[vocal basin]

this is very possible

Python has bytecode too

this was published after both Java 21 and Python 3.13

not listing Rider in the C# IDEs is a crime

they seem to assume there's only one answer

[whole bear]

concurrency and parallelism have a difference

[vocal basin]

(__iter__ is a valid answer too)

[whole bear]

that doesn't return a list

[vocal basin]

neither does .keys()

[whole bear]

fair

[whole bear]

okay, this doesn't return an iterator

you have to call iter() on it

[vocal basin]

both return an iterable whose items are keys

you almost never need to use .keys()

[hot drum]

OK idk so much in coding but I think he can use collections. Count and pass to it keys()

[whole bear]

>>> x = {"a": 1}.__iter__()
>>> "a" in x
True
>>> "a" in x
False

[hot drum]

And since the key is unique

Will get a dict with key:1

[whole bear]

__iter__() returns an iterator, .keys() returns an iterable

[hot drum]

I think 🤔 this might work

[vocal basin]

all iterators are iterable

[whole bear]

but iterables are not iterators

[vocal basin]

however what __iter__ returns isn't a collection

[vocal basin]

some are

[whole bear]

yea but keys isn't

>>> x = {"a": 1}.keys()
>>> "a" in x
True
>>> "a" in x

you can keep the value returned by keys in memory

[vocal basin]

d.keys(), with respect to for key in and in behaves like d

[whole bear]

but its more readable

[vocal basin]

subjectively

when switching from Rust, it might be more familiar

[whole bear]

i keep forgetting wether for ... in d behaaves like .items() or .keys()

having learnt rust has made this confusion more prominant

[vocal basin]

however when dealing with Python I expect for in and in to deal with same values

whereas Rust doesn't have in

[dusty musk]

hi

[woeful blaze]

How everyone doing?

[vocal basin]

(as an operator)

[whole bear]

but it has where

[vocal basin]

completely different context

(also not an operator)

[whole bear]

im digressing

[vocal basin]

I think I remember recently using some weird macro thing that used in for something

not entirely sure what

[whole bear]

in rust?

sqlx perhaps

[vocal basin]

sqlx doesn't seem to have that

[whole bear]

some other sql thing maybe

[vocal basin]

maud uses in but that's for in so doesn't count

[woeful blaze]

98°F 36.6667°C

[vocal basin]

I think it was some sort of constructor macro (vec!-/pin!-like)

or an attribute

wait no that was as

(as in the attribute one)

[dusty musk]

how long have you guys been coding?

[vocal basin]

depends on how it's measured

I started using Python in 2017

[dusty musk]

consistently?

[vocal basin]

at least monthly

at least weekly in 2017~2023 until conversion to Rust happened

[dusty musk]

cool, i wish i started learning earlier

[vocal basin]

(with some short pauses for hiking and stuff)

[vocal basin]

seems like it's been almost exactly a month since that first message

funny timing

[vocal basin]

as for programming in general I started earlier

not entirely sure when exactly

[dusty musk]

indeed

[vocal basin]

some Pascal before 2009

maybe as early as 2006~2008

[dusty musk]

i just started learning python last month

are you self taught or you took courses?

[woeful blaze]

@wind raptor how are you doing today?

[vocal basin]

4 years in school, no courses beyond that

8~11 grades had Python as mandatory

[dusty musk]

was it a coding school?

[vocal basin]

mathematics-centric

[dusty musk]

cool

hello @jovial merlin @wind raptor

[jovial merlin]

hello

[dusty musk]

i'm doing well, how are you?

[jovial merlin]

good

[dusty musk]

yeah unfortunately

there were people here a few weeks ago... it was really interesting to learn how they code

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor why are you spreading dangerous information

the only answer is no

do not global the variables

[dusty musk]

[vocal basin]

ah

as in moving to the instance

not the class itself

okay

[woeful blaze]

It is because a computer can do anything you put together

[dusty musk]

for sure

[vocal basin]

non-type-hinted code requires other sorts of checks to balance that out

strict by design, otherwise catastrophe

[dusty musk]

yes but i'm just a beginner @wind raptor

it's only been a month

i'm taking a devops engineer course

no

it's hybrid

i took an exam for free, didn't think i'd pass it so here i am

yes... and we were given a project to pass and also an interview

the course is free to those who pass it

not yettt

hopefully

it's sooo broaddd

we're learning so many things

it's pretty intense

yes

yep it's so broad and overwhelming

[vocal basin]

at work I'm the only one who really does devops

(as in both development and operations of the product)

[gleaming locust]

wow pascal

[vocal basin]

language deader than Latin

[dusty musk]

are you in a startup company?

[vocal basin]

yes

[dusty musk]

oh that makes sense

do you guys have a degree?

[vocal basin]

I dropped out after 4 months of university

[dusty musk]

really?

what made you drop out?

[vocal basin]

health

[dusty musk]

oh sorry to hear that...

[vocal basin]

I got some random offer for a job with 2x the salary

but

seems like in the end it was a scam that I did not fall for

@wind raptor Matlab

[dusty musk]

true... everything mostly on social medias are ai's

that's scary....

[vocal basin]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-tf2-hidino-it-could-be-you-it-coud-be-me-gif-23428091

AI everywhere

@jovial merlin

applied advanced principles of object-oriented software engineering to encapsulate application state through code rearrangement

should be good enough

@wind raptor this is the type of commit log that you can just copy to linkedin

[dusty musk]

they're so brightttt

[vocal basin]

I was 14 when I started using Git, too late too

[dusty musk]

that's life -frank sinatra

[vocal basin]

well, there is some excitement in finance

Knight Capital, as an example

[dusty musk]

fintech?

[vocal basin]

winning

@wind raptor @jovial merlin I'd normally just write:

unglobal

with formatting

[gleaming locust]

i agree i think im coming from non tech roles in finance where its more of an up keep and report creation

[vocal basin]

for those who didn't get the meme:
https://specbranch.com/posts/knight-capital/

[gleaming locust]

ooof

[vocal basin]

aaaaaaa

it could've two 8s in one game

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/scripts/

@winged heart after you're familiar enough with raw venvs, consider switching to using uv for managing them

it's a project management tool

it also adds everything you install as dependencies to pyproject.toml

(so you can track it)

[vocal basin]

you can also do this

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/scripts/#declaring-script-dependencies

[winged heart]

is this like the cmake equivalent for python?

you can write a script to auto set up an environment

[vocal basin]

not really

it complements pip such that it has features like npm has

npm being the Node[.js] Package Manager

[vocal basin]

or cargo

[vocal basin]

in C/C++ equivalents, pip+uv provide something similar to conan+cmake

however the split of responsibilities is different

C/C++ have very different code composition methods compared to languages with more isolated packages

@gleaming locust world's most popular functional language

Excel now has lambdas

(I might've misheard what you said)

[winged heart]

What lives inside these 'scripts' that uv runs

package setup?

[vocal basin]

Python code + list of dependencies

[winged heart]

interesting

[vocal basin]

I forgot that ufw is even a real thing

if ufw building on top of iptables or nftables?

allegedly it's based on iptables

which in turn is implemented, for compatibility, as a wrapper around nftables

fail2ban uses nftables afaik

wasn't 2014 around when Ubuntu finally gave up and started using systemd

(2014 is when nftables got integrated, approximately)

weird time

I've interacted with Ubuntu 14.04 before I think

managed to upgrade it to 16.04 okay-ish-ly

then it all broke at 18.04

I'd rather not run anything pre-2019

since that introduced some important things in the kernel

I haven't yet done anything serious with direct-ish RHEL descendants

maybe I should try

(CentOS and what replaced it)

I somehow worked more with Fedora than with that

(for CI that was eventually responsible for production software getting delivered)

replaced it with Alpine

because of package registry issues

one of the servers I have is running Alpine

how many servers do I even have

I think, limiting to only what I have at home that I own, it's 4

I currently have 145 containers on two main servers

many separate compose files

some of those are dev containers (manually managed)

containers are cheap to run

Docker with Docker Swarm used for networking only

fun fact: Docker Swarm does not work with Snap version of Docker

there is also microOS and whatever Oxide are making

also TritonDataCenter

(slightly abandoned)

[vocal basin]

implements a docker host API on top of a whole DC running illumos on each machine

with containers being based on Zones

time to combine Visual Programming and Assembly

No Code Firmware

Vibe Interrupt Tables

that's the intended meaning:
two things get coded (however), pick the one that you "vibe with" more

however that got transformed into "never look at the code" thing

obvious corollary: do not make other people depend in any way on this code

should be able to throw that code away at any point

which is sometimes a useful quality even without AI involved

[gleaming locust]

hey now.... security researchers will depend on the code... think of them

[vocal basin]

I can't definitively name a single thing using Laravel somehow

I know it's a very popular thing

like the main PHP framework

(public-perception-wise)

[vocal basin]

unlike Rails

but Rails was quite media-centric

[vocal basin]

I have some suspicions that either rust-analyzer got fixed or having .sqlx cached affects it in weird ways

as in I no longer see errors due to having two different types of databases in the same workspace

[vocal basin]

or, ig, is, given DHH

architectural magic
https://docs.rs/typetag

I wonder if Python has something similar without involving pickle

learn to work with FFI, specifically involving C++, so that you would never want to do that again

@wind raptor "but what about ✨Serverless✨"

cloud-end

but what about R

[vocal basin]

my only creation for mobile was a PWA

back when those were popular

Angular has changed so much more since then than React did

like actually unrecognisable

no more RxJS all over the docs and guides

💥

[whole bear]

Hello

[jovial merlin]

hello

[whole bear]

Hello

Why you guys didn't say Hello to me!?

Guys that is rude

Guys say hello to me