voice-chat-text-0

[scarlet halo]

anything else that looks unclear?

like somewhere you just wonder: "why is this here? and what does it do?"

[marble pendant]

hmmm no

because i know TITLE.lower() is for adding the lowercase option as well

or text.title()

[woeful blaze]

How is everyone doing today?

[scarlet halo]

lmao im feeling like doing a MASSIVE overhaul of this code

just to clean yknow

[marble pendant]

yeah

it is pretty messy ngl

my code could've been better

as a newbie ofc

[scarlet halo]

yeah,

actually. this isnt so bad!

not at all actually

the only problem i had was the amount of comments

[marble pendant]

i like to add small logs to remember where i messed up

[scarlet halo]

ah

i dont expect you to use this, but heres some cleaned up code:

# define constants
BASE_PAY = 0
QUINTILE_BONUS = 60
AGE_BONUS = 40
EMPLOYED_BONUS = 240
UNEMPLOYED_BONUS = 350
AGE_LIMIT = 65
QUINTILE_INPUT = "one, two or three.\n> "
EMPLOYMENT_INPUT = "employed or unemployed?\n> "
INVALID_INPUT = "Invalid, Please choose a valid option."
QUINTILE_DICT = {"one": 1, "two": 2, "three": 3}
EMPLOYMENT_DICT = {"employed": 1, "unemployed": 2}

total_payment = BASE_PAY

print("Please select your quintile.")  # Ask user to provide quintile.
quintile_choice = input(QUINTILE_INPUT)


while (
    quintile_choice not in QUINTILE_DICT.keys()
    and int(quintile_choice) not in QUINTILE_DICT.values()
):  # Check if input is in the quintile dictionary's keys or values. If not, ask again
    print(INVALID_INPUT)
    quintile_choice = input(QUINTILE_INPUT).lower()
if quintile_choice in QUINTILE_DICT.keys():  # Convert to value if the input is a key.
    quintile_choice = QUINTILE_DICT[quintile_choice]

employment_choice = input(EMPLOYMENT_INPUT)  # Ask for employment status
while employment_choice not in EMPLOYMENT_DICT.keys():
    print(INVALID_INPUT)
    employment_choice = input(EMPLOYMENT_INPUT).lower()

employment_choice = EMPLOYMENT_DICT[
    employment_choice
]  # This input only accepts keys. So always convert to the value.

age_input = int(input("How old are you?.\n> "))  # Ask for user's age

if quintile_choice in [1, 2]:  # If quintile is in the lower two, apply bonus.
    total_payment += QUINTILE_BONUS

if employment_choice == 1:  # Use different bonuses for different employment statuses.
    total_payment += EMPLOYED_BONUS
elif employment_choice == 2:
    total_payment += UNEMPLOYED_BONUS

# Age limit
if AGE_LIMIT >= age_input:
    total_payment += AGE_BONUS

print(f"You are receiving a total of {total_payment}")

@marble pendant

[marble pendant]

yo

that looks way better

so QUINTILE_DIC is a dictionary?

awesome

[scarlet halo]

yes!

[marble pendant]

i am starting to understand really quickly

[scarlet halo]

happy to hear that

[marble pendant]

so you create the dictionary first so it can be more easier to change values at any time

andddd to have some pre-set values so you can edit them with certain variables

[scarlet halo]

yeah pretty much

[marble pendant]

and since its on a dictionary, it makes the code shorter

instead of repeating myself over time

applying D.R.Y

[scarlet halo]

when you feel ready you should start learning about classes. you can find some good stuff with a quick google search, but people here will always be happy to help

[marble pendant]

that is awesome

[marble pendant]

i know about matches

[vocal basin]

@whole rover hi

[whole rover]

good evening

[vocal basin]

I'm sure what I'm currently doing no one actually know how to do reliably

(rust+sqlite+multithreading+wasm+why)

[woeful blaze]

how is everyone doing today?

[vocal basin]

where the hell is module.worker.js

[somber heath]

@eternal panther 👋

[vocal basin]

@woeful blaze I think pyplot.show already uses tkinter

[whole rover]

https://matplotlib.org/stable/gallery/user_interfaces/embedding_in_tk_sgskip.html

[vocal basin]

no way

it's working allegedly

oaky it's even returning a sane output

@somber heath you can also confuse everyone like PonyORM does

idk if you're aware of that thing

Hemlock is aware

[vocal basin]

everyone including you and the language server/type checker

stuff like select(p.name for p in Person if p.middle_name is None)

it parses the Python code

via whatever reflection

or it introspects the bytecode

not sure

then from that it generates SQL

@somber heath what if that field is list[str] | None

so you get a distinction between 0 middle names and lack of the concept of middle names

https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b923ca

I decided that age would be an even dumber example

and I'm too lazy to think further

and the names one
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/

there's a worrying about of programmers who assume it starts on Sundays and hard-code it too

@somber heath broken hardware that still needs support, mostly

we have a system that forgets what date it is after each reboot

so now my software has to live in a world which assumes the time can go either direction

@somber heath there are some speed of light concerns there anyway

but that's on very fine precision

a bit under a second

@somber heath 0

even if you assume negative to be BC, some calendars still have no year 0

and some have

@whole rover Swedish calendar?

they did an interesting calendar trolling run iirc

yeah, that's at least somewhat sane

@whole rover test Sweden or whatever that was

@whole rover1712

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=1712&month=2&country=21

[somber heath]

@cunning junco 👋

[vocal basin]

@whole rover I think it doesn't do the Sweden thing

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

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[vocal basin]

@somber heath

[cunning junco]

Please I'm new but I'm interested in learning

[somber heath]

We're currently learning about the ridiculousness of datetime systems.

[vocal basin]

bashability

bashable

[somber heath]

@raw hearth 👋

@true vortex 👋

[true vortex]

hiii

SO - whatcha doin?

[woeful blaze]

how dose embbeding works?

[whole rover]

1582-10-04 ES Spain 1582-10-04
1582-10-04 IT Italy 1582-10-04
1582-10-04 PL Poland 1582-10-04
1582-10-04 PT Portugal 1582-10-04
1582-12-09 FR France 1582-12-09
1582-12-14 BE Belgium 1582-12-14
1582-12-14 LU Luxembourg 1582-12-14
1582-12-14 NL Netherlands 1582-12-14
1583-10-05 AT Austria 1583-10-05
1584-01-06 CZ Czech Republic 1584-01-06
1587-10-21 HU Hungary 1587-10-21
1655-02-28 CH Switzerland 1655-02-28
1700-02-18 DE Germany 1700-02-18
1700-02-18 DK Denmark 1700-02-18
1700-02-18 NO Norway 1700-02-18
1700-11-16 IS Iceland 1700-11-16
1752-09-02 AU Australia 1752-09-02
1752-09-02 CA Canada 1752-09-02
1752-09-02 GB United Kingdom 1752-09-02
1752-09-02 US United States 1752-09-02
1753-02-17 FI Finland 1753-02-17
1753-02-17 SE Sweden 1753-02-17
1911-12-18 CN China 1911-12-18
1912-11-30 AL Albania 1912-11-30
1916-03-31 BG Bulgaria 1916-03-31
1918-01-31 RU Russia 1918-01-31
1918-02-01 LI Lithuania 1918-02-01
1918-02-01 LV Latvia 1918-02-01
1918-12-18 JP Japan 1918-12-18
1919-03-04 SI Slovenia 1919-03-04
1919-03-04 YU Yugoslavia 1919-03-04
1919-03-31 RO Romania 1919-03-31
1924-03-09 GR Greece 1924-03-09
1926-12-18 TR Turkey 1926-12-18

[astral coral]

meow meow

[true vortex]

this is okay. i am currently tryna implement an image processing fucky wucky thing in a client-side AI BUTTTTTT its not going very well. scraping to the best of my ability 😭

CS is a good all rounder but it depends what you want out of it

CS is a strong foundation - tbf academic qualifications arent valued as much nowadays and it is more certifications that are looked at by employers - but an academic qualification always helps ofc

[vocal basin]

this took almost two hours to achieve

[woeful blaze]

what is embeding?

[vocal basin]

in the context of AI?

as far as I interact with them, they're just some compact representation of otherwise big data entry

[whole bear]

anyone want to help me do some mythi or 2?

[woeful blaze]

...

[vocal basin]

ah

[whole bear]

sorry

[vocal basin]

that embedding

[vocal basin]

in the context of interfaces it just means putting something inside of something else

@astral coral
+$4.86 on trades
-$1000 on gas fees

[vocal basin]

FigureCanvasTkAgg seems to be just a regular widget

which you can use in tk like any else

@shrewd warren just use uv

automatic venv management

uv+ruff+VSCode

+pyright/pylance

[lethal shell]

O.o

[vocal basin]

uv init to setup the project
uv add <package> to add a dependency
uv run main.py to run
that's it

no venv activation

@unkempt sinew both are just extensions of C

very tightly integrated to C usually

@fierce dawn Lua since "recently" (whenever latest few versions were) has some implicit integer support

which works sometimes

JS/PHP have that as optimisation mostly

[unkempt sinew]

thats where it is

[vocal basin]

website looking quite detailed currently

[unkempt sinew]

https://github.com/iaxivers/Windows-Power-Toolkit?tab=MIT-1-ov-file#readme

@shrewd warren

[rustic pendant]

Today is my birthday

[twin zinc]

i drank vodka coke

i woke up.. i studied.. i went to code 😭

[twin zinc]

im so fucking

mad

i got insulted on an egirl server so i posted a pic of a glock

😭

my brother added me to that server

[somber heath]

What did you intend to achieve by doing so?

[twin zinc]

dont ask please

i was mad af

[somber heath]

You did a stupid thing. Now you ask yourself: "How do I put it right?"

[twin zinc]

i just left that server

🗿

[somber heath]

Almost every one of us has the power to change somebody's life. Use that power for good, eh?

Because if someone sent me a glock pic in anger, I would probably get a chill down my spine and have a very bad day, indeed.

I would be spending the rest of the day telling myself that it's just the internet, they're probably not serious.

Even if they are serious, it's not like they know where I live.

Do better, @twin zinc.

Do better.

[twin zinc]

okie

i took that picture from google

but ok

[iron geyser]

👀

[somber heath]

@dry jasper https://www.youtube.com/@loewhaley

@plain light 👋

@chilly chasm 👋

[chilly chasm]

hi

[dry jasper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetch_(game)

[chilly chasm]

Can you please tell me how to unlock the microphone?

[astral coral]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[chilly chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-gif-4007877678756330230

That's 48 more messages, so..

Zak, I think you're a handsome guy, or girl, who knows

[lethal shell]

Eww

[vocal basin]

I'm not going to math that
not because I don't want to calculate it but because I don't want to know if you're wrong or right

@versed heath the trickiest is when the problem is almost word-for-word

[somber heath]

@polar ore 👋

[vocal basin]

what's that thing that satellites use

RTG

[somber heath]

@solemn hazel 👋

[solemn hazel]

hi

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-back-to-the-futur-retour-vers-le-futur-gif-17738423430554169887

[vocal basin]

radioisotope thermoelectric generator

RTG/RITEG

[somber heath]

@split barn 👋

[vocal basin]

"what if it's not smoking because hot but creating vapour because very cold"

liquid nitrogen cooling home appliance

[wind raptor]

Then I still don't want to eat it cold 🤣

[vocal basin]

if there is no liquid oxygen condensate in there, should be safe-ish to pick up

at least

but, yes, non-edible

[vocal basin]

perfectly appropriate for a phone

[wise loom]

I do not appreciate the fact that match/case (structural pattern matching) cannot even be used with regexes on the case branches.
This is such a big shortcoming of match/case.

[vocal basin]

because it's structural

[split barn]

ddsdddwdwdwddwdw

[wise loom]

oh..

[vocal basin]

Rust doesn't support stuff like that either

[split barn]

why can t i speak in

vc

[wind raptor]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[wise loom]

@wind raptor that's interesting. i haven't found it yet

[vocal basin]

Rust is actually way more restrictive compared to Python in that regard

you can customise pattern matching in Python

to some extent

normally you'd just put stuff in if

[vocal basin]

but does provide things like range matching

[split barn]

what ya guys making

[wise loom]

yeah, i'll have to compromise with that for now

[split barn]

??

[wise loom]

home assignment for interview

[wind raptor]

Website for AI article summaries

[vocal basin]

when are we adding awk: blocks into Python

[wise loom]

also, i hate saying "i am working on my portfolio", but that is exactly what i will have to be doing (right after i finish the home assignment).

[split barn]

i dont understand anything i am still 15

[vocal basin]

you've seen gitsummarise before, right?

[split barn]

u guys profestionals

??

[wise loom]

what is a professional?

[wind raptor]

What is this?

[vocal basin]

AWK?

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/awk.1p.html

[wind raptor]

Is this from Bash?

[vocal basin]

it's from ᴜɴɪx

[split barn]

like a man who know the stuff too at a level where he can solve code thingies

[wind raptor]

I know bash awk. Just have never used it in a code block

[split barn]

where did u guys learn all this

[vocal basin]

it's a joke that we should add it into python

like how VB(A) has inline XML

[wise loom]

all what tho?

[wind raptor]

Just gotta keep learning new things every week

[split barn]

i also wanna understnad these proggramming thingy

i jus know basic of java

taught in my school

this year they will teach python

[somber heath]

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/28/nx-s1-5414642/trump-vaccine-bird-flu-mrna

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[vocal basin]

"birds should develop it themselves"

extradite the birds

[whole rover]

bird flu? yeah they do that

[vocal basin]

hi joe

[vocal basin]

"if you catch it => you're a bird"

@wind raptor consuming computers? is that something biohackers do?

[whole rover]

mad cow disease

[wise loom]

the best I've seen so far is this for match/case with regexes.

[vocal basin]

I'm starting to get funny ideas again

what if I shoved the entire rustc into WASM

to run code samples client-side

compile and run

[brisk bridge]

yo wassup

hi~1

[vocal basin]

if you want to hate computers, try compiling and using sqlx on WASM

[wise loom]

@vocal basin you like ocaml?

[vocal basin]

haven't yet tried using it

[wise loom]

i see

[vocal basin]

only using Rust, which is partially derived from it

[whole rover]

https://garriga.dev/rubri/

[vocal basin]

evcxr?

or proper compiler?

[whole rover]

no idea lol

uses https://github.com/rust-lang/miri under the hood

[vocal basin]

ah, miri

yeah

mir interpreter

[wise loom]

@vocal basin if you were to write a CAS what would you write it in?

(computer algebra system)

[vocal basin]

Fortran because I can just reuse code from >50 years ago

[vocal basin]

how much of a "from scratch" is it supposed to be?

realistically, just offload all the work to Wolfram

[wise loom]

yeah but that’s fully commercial

[vocal basin]

wolframscript is free-ish

we have wa not full mathematica

[wind raptor]

Is this relevant for something?

[vocal basin]

if there is a goal to do it really from scratch (no dependencies executing at runtime, only build-time),
you will have to make a custom language at some level

[split barn]

i am stoopid wrong server

[wind raptor]

No worries. It happens

[vocal basin]

something Prolog-/Wolfram-ish

for the core I'd use either Rust or Zig

[wise loom]

no i mean you can use LAPACK and well known libs.
but like there’s tons of symbolic algorithms that you’d have to implement because there’s no reference implementation(except for commercial ones which are closed source)

[vocal basin]

Rust+Datalog if you're fine with occasional memory leaks/incomplete execution control

(C++ suffers from similar problems, just at scale)

rustc itself uses Datalog

[wise loom]

C++ is too big of a language for anything really. I think the next standard they push out nobody will have the energy to implement.

[vocal basin]

Rust is bigger than C++, it's just smaller cognitive-load-wise

turns out modules are a good idea

and C++ has "too much ideas" which aren't compatible with each other at all

[vocal basin]

C++ is adding linear algebra

[wise loom]

Does Boost alleviate that? Why did Boost not replace STL is something i never understood..

[vocal basin]

STL has cleaner theoretical and implementation foundations than almost any other C++ code

the problem is that the rest of the standard library doesn't care

the generic code's and compiler's assumptions about C++ aren't entirely compatible with, for example, std::string

under copying semantics, std::runtime_error is a better std::string implementation than std::string

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[vocal basin]

the what https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/alloc/bstr/struct.ByteStr.html

https://hackmd.io/@celinaval/B1UEl3tUyl

looks almost usable

[vernal hemlock]

Guys, spyder is good to learn python?

I have downland it.

[vocal basin]

@obsidian dragon 121GB

actively updating my guess to be as close to Mindful's guess without going under

@obsidian dragon @wind raptor I bought an 18TB drive for a file graveyard

@wind raptor especially in Git

it's not that expensive

like

$400

[vocal basin]

game theory

you won thanks to that

63

iirc

ah

119

either 119 or 121 if you guess 120

I have

like

eight SSDs

(Samsungs)

2 HDDs + 1 unused HDD

[vernal hemlock]

REPO

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor drill

[vocal basin]

average Medium article

actually it's an ad

for the authors

bwaaa

well, that's kind of expected

[vocal basin]

literally same reasoning

acid it

[tacit crane]

Some Dynamite

[vocal basin]

thermite it

drilling the actual circuits is probably fine

not just casing

[tacit crane]

lets go nuclear

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor getting rid of thermites with thermite: must see household guide

[somber heath]

@solar sierra 👋

[tacit crane]

Just Put the ssd on a particle accelerator

[vocal basin]

average tiktok

I almost wrote "average tiktok article" lmao

@wind raptor LN is fine

I might've almost touched it before

liquid oxygen is bad

do not touch it

because of how differently it carries heat compared to liquid nitrogen

we were doing stuff with liquid nitrogen at school

and we were instructed to keep away from liquid oxygen droplets

dry ice is fun

[paper wolf]

The gre........

[vocal basin]

our teachers told us about where we could buy some for cheap

but I don't remember where

[paper wolf]

buy the new stuff salem tech sells

the refurbished think pads

ig

[vocal basin]

"""New"""

https://www.micron.com/products/storage/ssd/data-center-ssd/7500-ssd

no, it's real, it's just not "New" likely

[vocal basin]

(the original, official website)

[vocal basin]

(the resell)

Crucial is Micron

[rugged root]

I'm here but no speaky

Beat me to it

[somber heath]

I did?

[rugged root]

Yeah

no u

[vocal basin]

30.72TB

[rugged root]

If only that was the reason

I'll entry YOUR position

nah

[vestal light]

Massive solid state drives have been around for a long time

kioxia, micron, etc

[rugged root]

There is, ye. I'm not ashamed of my stupid jokes

Diving suits?

Ye

I'm so friggin' wired. Little sleep + energy drink = a bad time

[vocal basin]

underwater ♥️♠️♦️♣️s

[paper wolf]

uhhhh help

how to reset the next_node

[vestal light]

https://www.solidigm.com/products/data-center/d5/p5336.html#form=U.2 15mm&cap=122.88TB

[vocal basin]

C++?

[paper wolf]

ye

its lvim...

[vestal light]

That reminds me, I need to charge my dive computer for next week

[maiden skiff]

I joined the chat, but I can barely understand anything since my English isn't good

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/tsyiB8ZULPt.gif

[paper wolf]

nvm i find a solution

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor "look, increased contrast, clearly easier to read"

[vestal light]

Needs more sharpness filter

[vocal basin]

mostly readable but some parts are gone

clearly irrelevant parts

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-david-tennant-gif-4104806

[rugged root]

Don't know yet

Still moving stuff little by little

We don't need to be fully out of the apartment until the 19th

[vocal basin]

it's already 29th :clueless:

[rugged root]

Loooooove it

I love Webtoon

I've gone through so many of them

Currently working my way through The Gamer

Yeah I remember that one

Homestuck was interesting. Community driven web comic. The people responding to the comics decided the next action that the main character took

Sooooo good

Love Tower of God

Stag Town is good if you haven't read it

Melvina's Therapy, GremoryLand, and Counting Sheep are all great and should be read in that order

Clinic of Horrors is good

@somber heath I'm pretty sure that's just the lack of pants

[paper wolf]

comfy

[rugged root]

Breezy

[paper wolf]

real

[rugged root]

I dated a girl name Breezy. She was lovely, but we just didn't click

[paper wolf]

welp ill sleep now..... for some reason im an asian so ill sleap

[rugged root]

Is that how that works?

[paper wolf]

idk but im an asian

[rugged root]

Fair enough

Ooooooo

One of my favorite Webtoons is "Surviving Romance"

[paper wolf]

have you guys seen flying slippers :3

[rugged root]

It's super good

[whole bear]

Hii

[paper wolf]

ewo

:3

[rugged root]

Most of the ones I like are horror or thriller

I think it might

OH OH OH OH

OH

"+99 Reinforced Wooden Stick"

That one is amazing

SO good

It's wonderfully silly

Webtoon yeah

I'm subjecting all of you to my obsession

• Life of a Quack Healer
• The Advanced Player of the Tutorial Tower
• Omniscient Reader
• Everything is Fine
• Unholy Blood
• The Dummy's Dummy
• My Girlfriend
• Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees
• Spore
• School Bus Graveyard
• Witch Creek Road

And much much more

• The Dungeon Cleaning Life of a Once Genius Hunter

The red vending machine thing?

Back, sorry

[scenic shuttle]

hello

everyone

can't speak

are we learning something....?

[rugged root]

The vending machine one I'm thinking of is "Red Dart (B)"

[vestal light]

Learning about interesting tastes in anime

[rugged root]

HA

[scenic shuttle]

redo of healer

[rugged root]

I think most of the Webtoon stuff is Korean

Some British, some American, some Canadian

[scenic shuttle]

high school dxd

[rugged root]

But majority of Webtoon is Korean. I think it's originally a Korean comic platform

RoMANtic

[scenic shuttle]

romance is a bluff

[somber heath]

@burnt kestrel 👋

[rugged root]

But yeah, I highly highly recommend "Surviving Romance"

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[burnt kestrel]

Hi! Sorry I don't have voice verified I cannot speak but I'm here to listen and absorb all your knowledge!

[rugged root]

I'll be back soon. Meeting

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-lets-go-travel-traveling-fly-gif-7636613588783283483

[scenic shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-squad-hug-love-harley-quinn-gif-16884985

bruh...

[rugged root]

Sell plasma

Gotta love that

Band of Brothers was a movie, right?

Icky

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-15545605565009938543

series

[rugged root]

HA

Poor Rob

That's how politics should be

"You lose, bye now"

It's such a soap opera move

I shouldn't have drank the Monster

It's just got me jittery

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

The computer they have spec'd out for my replacement is only 512GB storage

Whelp, guess I'm keeping the SSD from this one to slot into the new one as well

Just annoying

That's just what we've been getting

And I'm not going to pitch a fit about it

...... stuff

[wooden pewter]

@wind raptor hey man is it possible for me to get verified to speaking voice channel ?

[wind raptor]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[rugged root]

This is also my programming rig

[wooden pewter]

I don’t use the text channels often so it’s been quite a tough for me to pass the automated verification

[wind raptor]

Everyone goes through the same process

[rugged root]

Well played

Duuuuuuude, this laptop has retained screws on the bottom

That's amazing

[wooden pewter]

@wind raptor OK don’t be mad I’m going to spam 50 messages 😂

What’s the best channel I could do the same to annoy the least amount of people ?

[rugged root]

Literally says it's not allowed in the #voice-verification channel

[wooden pewter]

🙃🙃🙃

[rugged root]

You spam, you get 2 additional weeks added to the amount of time it takes

From this current period

[rugged root]

Correction. Has SOME retained screws

[wooden pewter]

I don’t use text chats in any single Discord I’m in I just generally don’t enjoy text chats or text messages

But ok I try

[rugged root]

You're communicating with us currently

This still counts

[wooden pewter]

Do any of you guys have experience building telegram bots ?

[rugged root]

I think it does

https://core.telegram.org/bots

Yeah seems to be the case

[wooden pewter]

He definitely has an API, but what it does lack is bots with deep features, which is what I think I’m trying to build

This is exactly why I’m targeting them

There are many clever tricks by which you can do a lot of things that they seemingly don’t want you to do not necessarily scraping data, but adding certain very desired features

[rugged root]

!rule 5

[wise cargo]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[rugged root]

Right, which would fall under things we wouldn't assist with

[wooden pewter]

This isn’t violate any other TOS I’ve looked into this and that

What do you mean ?

[rugged root]

"a lot of things they don't want you to do" would violate that

[wooden pewter]

Oh yes

I’m not doing that

I’m saying about building a bot not botting an acc

I’m not buying a regular account guys. I’m saying about building a bot like for example, there are there’s a bot called bot father.

I can’t go to in depth man because it’s a seemingly very profitable idea. At least I think so.

[rugged root]

I assure you, it's been done before

[wooden pewter]

Ahahaha I figure but I’m a bit scary bc a skilled dev could make it in a week max

[rugged root]

Thaaaat's right

[wooden pewter]

I hear you but I can’t explain it in text it’s too much tbh

[rugged root]

Forgot it was WU

[wooden pewter]

Yes let me send you my business plan too

Maybe even give you a line of credit

[wooden pewter]

Ook

I definitely can in short it’s a paygate

But I digress on how it works as there is some secret sauce involved

[lost aurora]

Can I join you servers vc

[wind raptor]

!voice

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[amber raptor]

I don't know, can you?

[rugged root]

Yep

[wooden pewter]

Ok well I’ll make to the 50 sooon … cyall around

[obsidian dragon]

how many

[amber raptor]

YC Loves moats

[rugged root]

True. She would destroy you, @obsidian dragon

She's ex-military

Right but

She's also in shape

Shhhhh

Damn it

I was trying to make you intimidating

Yeah no shit

https://tenor.com/9uqA.gif

The problem is that he's into it

Don't be a misogynist. Be a masseuse

It's funny because it sounds like massage-o-nist

https://tenor.com/xAYT.gif

https://tenor.com/o6IZ.gif

@obsidian dragon Nobody wants that, especially me

The TTS thing

The good ol' speaking while breathing in

Skill issue

The Aussie voice is amazing

Probs

Any port in a storm

[rugged root]

That's gold

Yep, got called out

It's less about the speaking and more that I wasn't responding quick enough to requests at work. My ADHD was preventing me from remembering that there was anything asked of me

Just been slipping lately with all the stress

It's part of it for sure

I'm not going to lie

They're not

I'm grown enough to know my weaknesses

That's a dangerous thing to give to someone with ADHD

It'd just be constant noise

I have thought about that

I just don't know how to train the voice model

A bad joke AND partly sarcastic

Eh

It's a valid option

Surrogate Hemlock

Honestly with the number of times I've explained Python classes, it could do that pretty easily

https://tenor.com/xQPm.gif

I keep forgetting he's like

6' 2" right?

6' 3"

[obsidian dragon]

eh

[rugged root]

Holy fuck, Barron is 6' 7"

Kid's a monster

HE'S ONLY 17

The hell are they feeding him

That's so dumb Chris

I love it

But it's so dumb

I'm so mad I've never thought about that as a joke

The cry laughing is the best

Like "The Room"

The hell are "Advanced Format Hard Drives"....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format

Huh, I've never heard of this one

[split barn]

you guys still working

[rugged root]

Not sure

[rugged root]

Define working

Because technically yes

[split barn]

i am not a theory guy

[wind raptor]

"working"

[split barn]

ok

[rugged root]

@obsidian dragon Why does it feel like the joke is sexist

Well played

https://tenor.com/FXrH.gif

?

I feel like I missed something

Like a mushroom?

A fun guy?

Can't currently, no

Last of Us situation

@peak depot Tone it down

https://tenor.com/bsujT.gif

From "Cow and Chicken"?

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-jump-snow-jump-in-gif-12560742

[rugged root]

I've had moments like that

HA

Same

[vocal basin]

google, go fuck yourself

[rugged root]

I'm confused

[vocal basin]

them begging the AI not to hallucinate clearly isn't working

(it's an existent function but it's not that widely available and not every place has bindings to it)

and the thing itself is extremely annoying

[obsidian dragon]

I do not understand your search

is this applyable

[vocal basin]

if anyone else needs to do that same thing:
emscripten_proxy_get_system_queue
emscripten_proxy_sync
emscripten_run_script

https://emscripten.org/docs/api_reference/proxying.h.html
https://emscripten.org/docs/api_reference/emscripten.h.html#c.emscripten_run_script

what a cursed technology

[haughty pier]

the future sure ain't what it used to be

[gilded radish]

@sweet sorrel ?

[astral coral]

I know whats right, I got just one life, in a world that keeps on pushin me around, but I'll stand my ground, and I won't back down

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=3efKaFVBcMU

¬¬

[sonic smelt]

hello guys

heyy opal

but the question,

can you opal?

can i ?

can zak?

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

wym?

aaahh

thats typical stuff

we mean hurting

physically

i said i was doing unpaid internship to my friend

and hes asking me the amount of stipend they are paying me

peepo_cry

i said i was working remote

and hes asking me the place where i was working

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

cool pfp milien

guys whats your opinion on becoming a python dev?

scenario ( simply put ) : i like java. i want to become java dev. i get internship. they use python

should i learn both ( python django and java spring )?

or should i stop learning java for now?

@astral coral

[sonic smelt]

.

[astral coral]

loooooooooooooooool

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=1feBERnYaso

@left briar !voice

!voice#

[wise cargo]

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[left briar]

cant stream here lol

[astral coral]

you need extra perms for streaming

[somber heath]

Ask a mod when they're in the voice chat.

[left briar]

oh ok

[glacial eagle]

Hello @somber heath

Nice to meet you.

[sonic smelt]

guys whats your opinion on AI would take cover in the near future?

yeah boston dynamics

i mean like Software jobs bro

https://ai-2027.com/?

it shows possible predicted future?

[glacial eagle]

Not completely, but it will change the life seriously.

[astral coral]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=snAh0D90bvA

[iron geyser]

🥳

[copper adder]

https://hub.docker.com/r/n8nio/n8n

[vocal basin]

take cover
who's shooting at it?

[solemn hazel]

hello

[astral coral]

!voice

[wise cargo]

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[solemn hazel]

what are you guys talking about

yeah i know

i need 50 messages

https://tenor.com/view/sudo-rm-rf-linux-bruh-chungus-poggers-gif-19024993

[astral coral]

Goddamn :L

[vocal basin]

I still have a bottle of "not wine" that was gifted to me

I don't even remember if it was gifted a year or two years ago

it literally has "this isn't wine" written on it

@somber heath it might be that

this one is

[vocal basin]

I think it's more of a regulations/standards thing

"not liquor" aka vodka

[still tide]

hello !

[vocal basin]

@peak depot what if the horse is drunk

driverless horse

aka

horse

(I've looked up before writing that, they just like it, allegedly)

also allegedly they don't get drunk easily

also metabolism speed

beer tap | horse

@peak depot @somber heath "if you two sum up your hair lengths, would it be longer than mine?"
probably yes, I don't really know

[vocal basin]

(so I guess a bit longer?)

I guess in my case it counts as reaching lower than the back

at least when I'm standing

[vocal basin]

I didn't understand the maths on that

and geometry

what is the approximate result, my brain is too short to calculate

hmm

[vocal basin]

so I guess no

90cm

(unless Milien's hair is longer than Opal's)

[vocal basin]

I used to have my hair braided

back when it was shorter

[vocal basin]

if your IDE doesn't crash, it's not yet bad enough

I think recent file size in my case peaked at somewhere around 8000

(lines)

[copper adder]

8000?

no way man

[obsidian dragon]

12,000

[vocal basin]

currently (in same project):
4944
4329
3546
2160
2068

there is no reason to split currently

it's very flat

therefore easy to maintain

[copper adder]

-80 lines

less then 80 lines

[vocal basin]

!charinfo <

[wise cargo]

Character Info

\u003c : LESS-THAN SIGN - <

[vocal basin]

correction: 6000

[somber heath]

@fervent valley 👋

[copper adder]

n8n

[vocal basin]

I'm too busy with real work to bother with AI

[somber heath]

@hallow osprey 👋

[hallow osprey]

i know you guys don't know me but I need help unrelated to python

its gonna sound dumb

[copper adder]

what kind of problem?

[copper adder]

open mic and speak bro

[hallow osprey]

so I am broke

That leaves me no other choice but to torrent bonelab

One problem;

[copper adder]

hm?

[hallow osprey]

I need peers to actually download it.

I know it's dumb

Oh sorry

[somber heath]

Are there alternatives to it?

[vocal basin]

(the AI bro type of AI)

[somber heath]

Very fair.

@teal jacinth 👋

[copper adder]

https://www.deepspeed.ai/2022/09/09/zero-inference.html

guys lock at tis paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/2505.03335

[copper adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqdqZNqljdI

[vocal basin]

explosion

💥

[obsidian dragon]

generic ML

[copper adder]

yep

[somber heath]

@bleak vigil 👋

[bleak vigil]

hi

[copper adder]

hi

[somber heath]

@dusk sandal 👋

[woeful blaze]

Hello

[copper adder]

how's gonin on man?

[woeful blaze]

Does anyone know how make a lm

[peak depot]

I said nothing of sort

[copper adder]

what is lm?

[woeful blaze]

Language model

[somber heath]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Night's_Dream_(1999_film)

[woeful blaze]

I don't want to make a large language model I just want to make a small one cuz I already did convolution and maybe after I'll make a large language model but I wouldn't need to get computer parts which are expensive right now

[copper adder]

like mistral model?

[obsidian dragon]

qwen3-8b?

[woeful blaze]

?

[woeful blaze]

I just want to make small model because I understand how I convolutional neural network runs but if I want to combine to both of those into a multimodal I need help vectorizing the words

[somber heath]

https://menshaircuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/celebrity-long-hair-men-jared-leto.jpg

[high acorn]

this guy is good 🙂

[copper adder]

i start ai,ml just for a few hours😐 i have no idea man

[high acorn]

can you be little more verbose .. or may be (verbose =True) 🙂

[supple cove]

One time a facial recognition algorithm told me I look like someone that I used to look like but don't look like anymore.

[woeful blaze]

?

[somber heath]

@iron geyser Celebrity I may resemble.

[bleak copper]

It's not the phones it's the TV. https://youtu.be/HtvVOrEgQqw?si=ibRjJpqeIBTU2z0r

[somber heath]

Another being Russel Brand.

[iron geyser]

sure ? mdr

[somber heath]

Mdr?

[iron geyser]

I don't like it lol

I prefer another style

[supple cove]

https://www.inceptionlabs.ai/introducing-mercury

[upper basin]

https://gitlab.com/quantify-os/quantify/-/issues/41

https://unitaryhack.dev/bounties/

[frozen owl]

woah is that rl

i really should be doing less projects but doing them well

😔

now my favourite pet project is my autograd engine (that i have been on-off developing for the past year)

are-El

[scarlet halo]

💔

[fast gyro]

can I have sharescreen permission

[scarlet halo]

you would need a Mod or Admin to do that, sorry

or have the role

[fast gyro]

i have the role

[scarlet halo]

you need the Video role

you dont have that one

[vocal basin]

I've made up another hypothesis for why some people find it hard to use Rust

specifically the "clean code"/"best practices" people

there is so much "messy" stuff you can just get away with in Rust, which would be a nightmare to deal with in many other languages

variable shadowing, no non-casing naming conventions, mixing all possible dependencies and their different versions in ad hoc ways, lambdas all over the place

all the fun stuff I don't get to do when writing Python

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/icc-cricket-cricket-world-cup-ic19-disgusted-cricket-fan-gif-14327626

@primal shadow

[vocal basin]

I thing I've been programming for ~15 hours now

(less than Ace's 72, but still more than 8)

[somber heath]

@torn tide 👋

[torn tide]

hello

how can i speak

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[torn tide]

i sent u request

have been i on the server for less than 3 days.

thats rude

do u have excperience with telegram bots

??

[vocal basin]

I've recently been instructing someone about making a Telegram bot

[torn tide]

I want u to help me

[vocal basin]

what specifically do you need help with? is the project you're working on open-source?

[torn tide]

no i guess

I dont know how to do somthing

hellloooo

....

[vocal basin]

> somthing
what exactly is that something?

[torn tide]

we can chat and u will know

message me iam leaving

[vocal basin]

too vague to catch my attention

back to playing minesweeper

[somber heath]

Assistance requested via this server is generally preferred to take place on the server. DM help is generally discouraged.

[vocal basin]

so much code changes

given that theme, and how I use 426 as example number and what it refers to, it's quite a situation

two example values with the, uh, common topic (indirectly)

[vocal basin]

I should optimise how I generate those graphs

so that it doesn't take several minutes

currently, for each commit, it reads all the files

[austere hornet]

hi

[astral coral]

meow meow pythonaires

idk was bored

(the poorly drawn other things are C. Rust and Javascript) :L

[astral coral]

Can I have the role of "Python Propagandist"??? :3

or is a new rule gonna be made against Python propaganda :L

[wise loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQGXC1f-8s

AI interviews

I wish I could find a list of all companies that use AI chatbot software for interviews, so I can never interview with them in my lifetime.

[astral coral]

OOF

[somber heath]

@limpid needle 👋

@whole bear

[astral coral]

@fading pine

[sonic smelt]

am i audible?

@astral coral

need some advice

im learning django

through the official docs

i feel stuck

i dont know why

i always have problem reading docs

for gods sake, i landed an internship. these guys use djnago.

can you let me share my screen

or maybe can you open the official django docs for once

alright

how would you read through the docs?

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGIg40xs9e4

[sonic smelt]

i watched a 3 hour course

but i get stuck in the tutorial hell

and usually courses dont cover everything right

[astral coral]

okay practice?

[sonic smelt]

if you were in my shoes, and you have to practice by reading through the docs

how'd do you it?

taking django as an example

i feel like this sets off from my peers

< sorry that i cannot talk >

[astral coral]

come up with a basic idea, do research, look at other scripts, GPT and then make it

[sonic smelt]

i wish i could, but in the process of fixing, i somehow ended up making it not to work

but i need to learn the basics anyway right

[astral coral]

but I don't recommend GPT if you're learning to program

look mate, make a social media site. make a basic one add features later. this is a good start to learning databases like django

[sonic smelt]

but i do need to learn the basics of django inorder to make a social media site right

[astral coral]

¬¬

make the site

do it

stop reversing your intiative

look up how

youtube

google

GPT

[sonic smelt]

yes sir
🫡

[astral coral]

the thing is man, YOU need to do this, not me, you're not paying me nor do I have any investment. but I'm giving you direction and something to work on to get where you wanna be.

you could do this in one day if you focused ¬¬

I'm not saying make f-ing facebook but a simple system where you are managing your database

[obsidian dragon]

@cyan reef hi

[warm light]

Looking for a guy who knows programming, more specifically Python, in DM please, urgently

[astral coral]

This ones supposed to be The Thing but kinda sucks

[vocal basin]

probably wouldn't hurt
not if you're careless with needles

[astral coral]

I'll stop spamming this stuffs ¬¬

[sonic smelt]

hello guys

helloo

[somber heath]

@sonic walrus 👋

@whole bear 👋

[sonic smelt]

i am learning django

going through its official docs

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-lets-go-travel-traveling-fly-gif-7636613588783283483

[sonic smelt]

@peak depot your cats,

they're adorable

how many cats you got?

[vocal basin]

I have accepted the fact that I can't time the vocals properly so now just slicing and rearranging them after the fact

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[whole bear]

👋

[somber heath]

@junior willow 👋

[junior willow]

hey wassup

been going good?

you guys working on something rn?

[vocal basin]

I've just found the only (so far) audio filter on top of the limiter/compressor that I'm okay with

[junior willow]

@peak depot hey , what you working on rn?

nice what for a game?

oh, nice

guys, what is the difference between from xy import * and from xy import xyx ?

[vocal basin]

* imports everything defined in xy.__all__, if it exists, otherwise imports everything that doesn't start with _

[junior willow]

ok, can you give me an example where this is useful

[vocal basin]

!pep8

[wise cargo]

PEP 8

PEP 8 is the official style guide for Python. It includes comprehensive guidelines for code formatting, variable naming, and making your code easy to read. Professional Python developers are usually required to follow the guidelines, and will often use code-linters like flake8 to verify that the code they're writing complies with the style guide.

More information:

• PEP 8 document
• Our PEP 8 song! :notes:

[vocal basin]

* is generally discouraged

[junior willow]

ok

[vocal basin]

because it makes it harder for both humans and language analysers to determine where a symbol is coming from

I've seen PyCharm's LSP crash because of * imports before

on a relatively small project

[junior willow]

yeah understandable by symbol you mean variable ?

[wind raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/mandy-brawl-stars-mandy-brawl-stars-brawl-stars-mandy-mandy-candy-gif-17408549631544477707

[vocal basin]

yes, just using a terminology from other places

[junior willow]

ok now it is better to use import xy

[vocal basin]

from module import member or import module is preferred over from module import *, yes

[junior willow]

got it

[vocal basin]

the worst possible case for PyCharm is * re-exports iirc

e.g. when a has from b import *, b has from c import *, and all the stuff that's imported from c is also accessible in a

[junior willow]

can you give me an example of recursion imports

if file a has import a or so

[vocal basin]

it's less common in Python than in some other languages

because Python is less strict about visibility

[junior willow]

okay

[vocal basin]

you would often see re-exports in Python when there's some bigger outer module re-exporting stuff from submodules

I think discord.py does that

actually, even some parts of the standard library do that

!d asyncio

[wise cargo]

asyncio

...

Similar names: prompt_toolkit.asyncio, aiohttp.asyncio

[vocal basin]

what

!d asyncio.Lock

[wise cargo]

asyncio.Lock

class asyncio.Lock```
Implements a mutex lock for asyncio tasks. Not thread-safe.

An asyncio lock can be used to guarantee exclusive access to a shared resource.

The preferred way to use a Lock is an [`async with`](https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#async-with) statement...

[vocal basin]

embed being funny

wait what asyncio has __main__??

@wind raptor did you know about python -m asyncio?

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.13/Lib/asyncio/__init__.py#L7-L40

it's fine in this case because language servers generally have the list of symbols bundled inside

i.e. they don't have to look through all those *s to figure out where, for example, Lock comes from

[wind raptor]

I've never used asyncio at the command line. What does that do?

[vocal basin]

exactly what you'd expect:

asyncio REPL

[wind raptor]

ooo

interesting

[vocal basin]

oh wait it's literally pinned in #async-and-concurrency

#async-and-concurrency message

I've never read through pins in there

if you want to make a DAW, use Zig

or rather

if you want to make a DAW, make Zig

[vocal basin]

^ screenshot from a DAW

fun music software:
https://sonic-pi.net/

@tulip gyro another ffmpeg wrapper?

people will literally do anything not to type ffmpeg in the CLI

anyway, spoiler, you can't really do it Python

if you allocate memory during audio processing in real time, you're probably doing something wrong

@rapid jungle look into what Andrew Kelley did

[warm light]

It's just that I need an expert to help me program my script that works with YOLO

[vocal basin]

Zig was originally made for a DAW he was working on

o
https://github.com/andrewrk/PyDaw

@wind raptor Bun

also