#voice-chat-text-0

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quaint flume
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Yep

somber heath
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@proud skiff 👋

quaint flume
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Yep

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Really?

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Why chatgpt couldnt even code for shit yet

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That's crazy

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Yea but they suck too

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Like I've worked with them a lot

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Most of them just break stuff

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Gemeni is good

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Claude is good

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Chatgpt is good but the rest are like just breaking shit

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Yea for

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I'm talking about it doing all the changes and everything

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Like literal vibe coding

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Yea well they haven't really played with it cuz I know the limitations, it does not work like that very easily

somber heath
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@dawn orchid 👋

quaint flume
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Yea you can create basic stuff

dawn orchid
quaint flume
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But what I'm talking about is the fact that a codebase is 100,000s of tokens for a small app and if you want to do anything actually interesting vibe coding you need to do it in a really clever way broken down, you can just one shot large applications, they can't do it.

dawn orchid
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what is the discussion going on now there, related to AI ?

quaint flume
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Gun what do you mean?

somber heath
wise cargoBOT
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Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

dawn orchid
quaint flume
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Yea I mean, I don't think this gets us to actual sentience or awareness but with the right set up I do think we end up with a senior developer in your pocket

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At least

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Imo

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Hahahaha

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Cuz I do think eventually we end up with like an 8b reasoning model that could like work with an 8b coding model, insert relevant python bs and tools like windsurf or cursor and you are seriously cooking

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Yea, I think it would be amazing if we figure it out with AI then apply it to AI lol

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That would be so trippy

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I don't think that happens but it would be funny

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Ok what about optimus, would you buy an optimus for 25k?

somber heath
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@static storm 👋

static storm
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Hola

quaint flume
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I'll show you

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There ya go

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It's insane

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Watch that

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Ok well there will be competitors

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So just imagined I asked it about the competitor if it was just as good

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Like this thing can dance and follow directions from seeing you do it once or a basic explanation

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Lol

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How come you hate Tesla and Elon? Just because he did doge and helped the Republicans with finding fraud and getting trump elected?

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Naw I'm not very political at all, I don't know enough

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I'm just curious about your opinion

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What would you say your number one issue with trump or Elon is in terms of specific issues?

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Well from my understanding they are getting deported by judges orders, isn't that due process?

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I don't think we ever gave illegal immigrants trials though?

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Oh that's the gang members though

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A judge is signing the deportation order

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Can you name a specific policy that trump is not following when deporting immigrants that Obama did follow, cuz I looked this up and I couldn't find anywhere where trump or Congress changed the laws?

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He's following the same process as Obama when deporting people from my understanding

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He's just deporting a lot more

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Well habous corpus only applies to citizens though Yea?

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Interesting

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Naw yea you're right

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Are you talking about that karmilo guy?

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The judges said he was a gang member and he was human trafficking when he got arrested, did you know that?

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The video was released

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Seems like CNN was lying about this

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Wait

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Did you just say america police arrest a human trafficker gang member who beat his wife and we need to give him a whole trial?

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Is that your position?

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Well if we do end up with fascism at least we have guns to keep them off our backs

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I doni

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Dono

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I think that's just talking points

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To win elections

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Get people mad

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And then you hear it over and over

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And just like with karmilo

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You hear their truth, you believe it, never fact check, move on, but it was all a lie for a narrative to sell you politically. Insane.

somber heath
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@hybrid latch 👋

hybrid latch
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hello

somber heath
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@fossil scroll 👋

static geyser
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I am going to go get some water right back

neon wasp
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@haughty pier no I’m here

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Just no mic

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No I’ve lurked here for a while

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Yeah

haughty pier
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Good luck on getting that microphone

neon wasp
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Thanks

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One day

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No thank you, I appreciate the offer

marble mantle
haughty pier
somber heath
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@cursive bane 👋

cursive bane
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hi

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i hope all is well

fading pine
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Hey @somber heath

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Yea 😂

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So what you up to @somber heath?

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What’s really happening then

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Diminishing?

somber heath
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@neat dagger 👋

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@sullen nimbus @onyx hull 👋

teal crystal
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anyone used uv,
do you know how to upgrade dependencies written in project.toml file?
does any command exists so that it can take python version, all dependencies in consideration when upgrading dependencies??

gentle flint
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yes
pip-compile

teal crystal
teal crystal
gentle flint
teal crystal
gentle flint
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do you know what pip-compile does

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it compiles a full list of all dependencies, including dependencies of the dependencies you have, setting a hard version pin on each
if you manually set very old version pins of course it won't change that, after all, you've manually pinned it

fading pine
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Hey @peak depot do you have any ideas on how to create a GUI using python?

minor plaza
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Hello

peak depot
fading pine
peak depot
fading pine
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Alright thank you

peak depot
whole bear
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Sup

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What?!

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He's a pumpkin eater

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Uhhhhh

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Why is it so quiet?

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You got rizz

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Dawg

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What?

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You said my name?

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Is milien going through existential crisis?

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@peak depot

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My ears brook 😭

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He's married?!

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Yo magical girl

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Wdym ignoring you

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You guys are ignoring me

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@obsidian dragon

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No bro 😭

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I have a voice infraction

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Oh hey rabbit

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Dang the Og group

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Yo @rugged root

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Do staff get paid in this server?

obsidian dragon
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@whole bear no, they get paid in [Redacted] server tho

whole bear
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Sup smelis

obsidian dragon
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that's not his name

whole bear
obsidian dragon
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his name is Spelis

scarlet halo
whole bear
scarlet halo
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was ist dein problem
-# what is your problem

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scheisse
-# shit

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im trilingual bro

whole bear
whole bear
scarlet halo
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what languages

obsidian dragon
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!rule 4

wise cargoBOT
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Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

obsidian dragon
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😛

scarlet halo
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oh right

whole bear
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Wait @peak depot your knees doesn't go to school with you?

rugged root
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Niece

whole bear
scarlet halo
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😭

peak depot
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niece

whole bear
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Knees?

whole bear
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Just trolling a bit

peak depot
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I´m an aunt

scarlet halo
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52ms 🤯

u5ziojbeWqV39Eq.png
whole bear
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Move where?

whole bear
peak depot
scarlet halo
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i couldnt help myself

whole bear
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Marriage is so hard

rugged root
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My marriage is fine

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It's my mom

whole bear
obsidian dragon
whole bear
scarlet halo
somber heath
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Good fences make good neighbors.

peak depot
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works too

whole bear
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Omg same with me and my sister

scarlet halo
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sry abt that guys

whole bear
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What did you apologize for?

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That must've been a long time ago

scarlet halo
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nah i just yelled to my dad cause he came home

whole bear
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Be completely open about it

unique wyvern
whole bear
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Yo salt

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New helper

rugged root
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Arkansas would like to have a word

whole bear
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I think

unique wyvern
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yep, i'm a new helper

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never helped before

whole bear
rugged root
unique wyvern
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lol

rugged root
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Love ya bud

whole bear
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Its my first time seeing the guy

unique wyvern
whole bear
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Let alone coming to know that he's a helper

unique wyvern
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experimental rick roll

whole bear
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.8ball will salt accept my friend request?

viscid lagoonBOT
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You may rely on it

whole bear
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Yoooooo

unique wyvern
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defective 8ball

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i'd return it

whole bear
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Damn it

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He's not acceptimg fr

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That's a Pokemon

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And animals too apparently

brisk bridge
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hi

whole bear
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Yo navi

brisk bridge
peak depot
whole bear
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Has anyone watched severance?

somber heath
whole bear
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He's not even a dad and makes dad jokes

rugged root
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I'm a cat dad

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That kind of counts

somber heath
whole bear
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Does anyone here mow the lawn?

signal brook
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what is the best chat heer to ask for help with a project

unique wyvern
signal brook
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im in a full on hellish situation

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i really need help

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idfk tf to do

whole bear
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Me too

signal brook
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fcking threads wont work

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i wanna die mannnnn

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where do i ask for help

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what chat

somber heath
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What kind of project?

signal brook
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like final one

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need to send it today

peak depot
whole bear
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Oh say can you see

signal brook
somber heath
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What is it doing?

signal brook
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liek what do i need to do there?

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ah

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do

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so

whole bear
wise cargoBOT
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Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

signal brook
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its like "zoom"

signal brook
whole bear
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Idk which rule it was lol

rugged root
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Yeah that's not a Rule 6 thing in the slightest

signal brook
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but i cannot

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really

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i have a server and a client that uses mic and videio

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and i can see myself and hear myself

inner hill
whole bear
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It was !rule 4?

signal brook
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but i am unable to make it work with more than 1 client

rugged root
signal brook
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so like i need help to create a server that can handle an unlimited amount of clients that use camera and mic

rugged root
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What part is getting you stuck

somber heath
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We have a help system. #❓｜how-to-get-help. However, if you have just joined, there may be a limitation on creating a help thread. Elsewise, there are the domain specific topical channels.

signal brook
whole bear
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!rule 8

wise cargoBOT
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Rules

8. Do not help with ongoing exams. When helping with homework, help people learn how to do the assignment without doing it for them.

whole bear
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There you go

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Ok

signal brook
whole bear
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Apologies

signal brook
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and i know that its a stupid move from me

molten pewter
signal brook
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but its not "homework" or exam

whole bear
rugged root
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This is fine so long as he's not asking anyone to do it for them

whole bear
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Yes sir

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Apologies

molten pewter
rugged root
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We can guide you and nudge you in the right direction. But yeah, the help system is going to be a better place to get help, as Opal said

molten pewter
signal brook
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everything that i tried crashed

rugged root
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Let's start with what you've tried so far

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And also taking a deep breath

whole bear
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I lived in MN for 5yrs before moving to NC

signal brook
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should i like send what i got rn?

rugged root
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@molten pewter

iu.png
peak depot
somber heath
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🥸

whole bear
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Ttyl guys

signal brook
signal brook
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would really appreciate

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it

rugged root
signal brook
somber heath
signal brook
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appreciate it

somber heath
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Resign yourself to failure for the time being. If this is due tomorrow and you don't have a clear idea in your head as to what you need to implement and you don't know right now how to make everything play together, then this is not a project you can complete in such a short period.

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It is unfair to expect other people to drag you over the finish line at the eleventh hour.

signal brook
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dude

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its not "this time"

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i literally cannot fail it or else i will fail the whole class

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and i cannot redo it

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this specific part isnt working for ages

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and my teacher is giving me god damn suggestions from chat gpt

somber heath
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You have my sympathy.

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Truly.

rugged root
signal brook
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and i tried to understand what she sent me for a week and today i finally realized after specifically asking her if its from chat gpt

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so for a week i tried to understand why the teachers' code didnt help

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and didnt work

somber heath
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The video multistreaming?

signal brook
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trying to make the server handle multiple clients that send video and voice to each other

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like rn its just one client and i see and hear myself

somber heath
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I've had some success using the Twisted library.

signal brook
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i cant use a library

somber heath
signal brook
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idk man what is it

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i cannot use libraries that make it too simplified

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for example i cannot use hash

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as a library

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so i gotta make it myself

peak depot
rugged root
somber heath
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Terminator franchise, but with owls.
Owl be back.
Who is Sarah Connor?

rugged root
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Oh that's goooood

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!stream 710856373675491381

wise cargoBOT
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✅ @scarlet halo can now stream until <t:1747669504:f>.

somber heath
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@signal brook I hope you attract the attention of someone who knows exactly what you should be doing.

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That person isn't me.

signal brook
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do you knwo anyone who is

somber heath
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Wish it was.

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Nobody in particular comes to mind. The server has many clever people.

signal brook
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im rn trying to reverse engeneer my problem

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did an unlimited client amount server voice chat for now

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now i gotta create magically the solution to my old problem

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which is to add camera

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anyone knows an ai that is good at breaking down and explaining codes?

rugged root
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engine.setProperty('voice', voices[1].id)
unique wyvern
scarlet halo
rugged root
unique wyvern
peak depot
unique wyvern
teal crystal
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@scarlet halo
try uv pip, its no non-sense with speed
so you don't have to go anywhere while your dependencies are being installed

peak depot
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I'm laying on bed but can hear you guys

scarlet halo
teal crystal
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Hi
@rugged root

# 
[project]
name = "robyn"
version = "0.66.2"
description = "A Super Fast Async Python Web Framework with a Rust runtime."
dependencies = [
  "inquirerpy == 0.3.4",
  "multiprocess == 0.70.14",
  "orjson == 3.9.15",
  "rustimport == 1.3.4",
  # conditional
  "uvloop~=0.19.0; sys_platform != 'win32' and platform_python_implementation == 'CPython' and platform_machine != 'armv7l'",
  "watchdog == 4.0.1",
]

[project.optional-dependencies]
"templating" = ["jinja2 == 3.0.1"]

[project.scripts]
robyn = "robyn.cli:run"
test_server = "integration_tests.base_routes:main"

[dependency-groups]
dev = [
  "black==23.1",
  "commitizen==2.40",
  "isort==5.11.5",
  "maturin==0.14.12",
  "pre-commit==2.21.0",
  "ruff==0.1.3",
]
test = [
  "nox==2023.4.22",
  "pytest==7.2.1",
  "pytest-codspeed==1.2.2",
  "requests==2.28.2",
  "websocket-client==1.5.0",
]


[tool.poetry]
name = "robyn"
version = "0.66.2"
description = "A Super Fast Async Python Web Framework with a Rust runtime."
authors = ["Sanskar Jethi <sansyrox@gmail.com>"]


[tool.poetry.dependencies]
python = "^3.9"
inquirerpy = "0.3.4"
maturin = "0.14.12"
watchdog = "4.0.1"
multiprocess = "0.70.14"
uvloop = { version = "0.19.0", markers = "sys_platform != 'win32' and (sys_platform != 'cygwin' and platform_python_implementation != 'PyPy')" }
jinja2 = { version = "3.0.1", optional = true }
rustimport = "^1.3.4"
orjson = "^3.9.15"

[tool.poetry.extras]
templating = ["jinja2"]

[tool.poetry.group.dev]
optional = true

[tool.poetry.group.dev.dependencies]
ruff = "0.1.3"
black = "23.1"
isort = "5.11.5"
pre-commit = "2.21.0"
commitizen = "2.40"

[tool.poetry.group.test]
optional = true

[tool.poetry.group.test.dependencies]
pytest = "7.2.1"
pytest-codspeed = "1.2.2"
requests = "2.28.2"
nox = "2023.4.22"
websocket-client = "1.5.0"

Here is my pyproject.toml file

teal crystal
# teal crystal ``` [project] name = "robyn" version = "0.66.2" description = "A Super Fast Asyn...

how can i upgrade my dependencies being used to newer versions without being conflicting with venv python version and other dependencies or sub-dependencies of the project?

how to do that? I am just new to all this, i just know manual way which is fully headache bcoz after that i have to try building the project also to check everything is working fine as well and do necessary changes bcoz of breaking changes if any

@rugged root

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??

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i even tried uv sync, uv pip, uv compile, etc but anything worked at all to upgrade dependencies of my project, neither in project.toml nor even in my venv

@rugged root

rugged root
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Hmm

signal brook
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AIGHT

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QUICK CHANGE

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LETS SAY I WAS NEVER TRYING TO DO ZOOM

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IM DOING A PHONE CALL APP

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GG

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ITS BY THE RULES

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ITS PASSES BY ALL THE CRITERIONS

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AND IT DOESNT GIVE ME CANCER

rugged root
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Did that need to be all caps? (trick question, it didn't)

signal brook
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yes

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its called

rugged root
signal brook
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human emotions

rugged root
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Exclamation points work, too

signal brook
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that sounds angry

teal crystal
signal brook
teal crystal
haughty pier
signal brook
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guys

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i got my external english finals tomorrow

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the teacher still didnt bother telling us when and where its gonna be

haughty pier
signal brook
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he is gonna ignore me

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and its called

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eh

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sharing

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;-;

rugged root
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uv pip sync

haughty pier
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Thank you for that colorful glimpse into your life

teal crystal
haughty pier
rugged root
olive hedge
signal brook
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its about the fact that i got no clue when its

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and in what building

olive hedge
teal crystal
haughty pier
signal brook
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syllabus means the subjects no?

scarlet halo
signal brook
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why would they write there a location

teal crystal
signal brook
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when its the same subjects for the whole country

rugged root
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uv sync -U

signal brook
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but different location based on the school

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like each school decided

haughty pier
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a "syllabus" is what the professor/teacher gives you at the beginning of the year outlining the course, grading, etc...

signal brook
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yeah no

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im in high school

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mine at least didnt do it

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i dont even have it

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;-;

cobalt vortex
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hi 👋

rugged root
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How goes it

cobalt vortex
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i am new so cant speak yet

rugged root
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All good!

cobalt vortex
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like newborn lol 😆

haughty pier
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High school teachers are mostly flying by the seat of their pants, aren't they.

teal crystal
# rugged root How goes it

doing anything, just stick to versions defined in the project.toml and if i try to manually upgrade any package and then run uv sync -U it then also just come back to defined version only

rugged root
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Yep, same as any project

peak depot
rugged root
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Gotta tell it what restrictions you want

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You can also do that when you uv add a package

# 
Usage: uv.exe add [OPTIONS] <PACKAGES|--requirements <REQUIREMENTS>>

Arguments:
  [PACKAGES]...  The packages to add, as PEP 508 requirements (e.g., `ruff==0.5.0`)
cobalt vortex
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damn what are we discussing

rugged root
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Planes and air safety

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And accidents

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VC tends to be general conversation

cobalt vortex
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oh coool

peak depot
rugged root
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It just happens that programming ends up being the biggest topic

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But it just depends on the day

teal crystal
# rugged root You can also do that when you `uv add` a package

yep i can do that but i have to do it for every package manually and if have many then?
and even if i tried doing then let say
i upgrade package A using package C as sub dep and package B also using package C of different version then how i gonna find i version which will statisfy both the package A & B criteria?

cobalt vortex
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oh not cool

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damn its so sad

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i have no experience in it but what makes helicopters so vulnerable to accident

rugged root
teal crystal
rugged root
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Most companies only upgrade when they have to. Consistency is important

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Upgrades can break stuff

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It's why there's programs and stuff still using older versions of Python and what not

unique wyvern
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but pulpy orange juice is better

rugged root
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There are so many things that have to be in sync or perfectly balanced to make sure they work

cobalt vortex
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🤔

teal crystal
unique wyvern
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don't they have somethig called the jesus nut

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut

Jesus nut

Jesus nut is a slang term for the main rotor retaining nut or mast nut, which holds the main rotor to the mast of some helicopters. The related slang term Jesus pin refers to the lock pin used to secure the retaining nut. More generally, Jesus nut (or Jesus pin) is used to refer to any component that is a single point of failure and whose breakd...

cobalt vortex
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i mean how are we thinking to switch to flying cars when we are not even able to make helicopters safe

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i mean are flying cars more safer in safety measures

rugged root
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Feels like it, right?

olive hedge
faint prawn
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Czechoslovakia?

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@peak depot Transnistria?

cobalt vortex
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what are some good resources for begginner onlinefor free other than cs50

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for mainly python and basic llm

faint prawn
peak depot
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its Abkhazia

rugged root
wise cargoBOT
#
Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

faint prawn
cobalt vortex
faint prawn
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@peak depot Gulagism

rugged root
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And of course, if you have any questions, need something explained, or are just stuck on something, we're happy to help

alpine crater
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👋

cobalt vortex
faint prawn
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???
Where the the?
Okay I'll take that as I'm a millennial now.

b94e8f12cad17d12.png
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io

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Not "Yo"

cobalt vortex
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what is the avg age here

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i am definitely the youngest

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u guys have too much experience

faint prawn
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@unique wyvern uiua 2

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Array languages are weird.

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@lavish rover 1ms execution, 1m compilation

lavish rover
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c is very fast to compile tbh

faint prawn
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(Fixable)

cobalt vortex
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btw how should i make notes

alpine crater
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🦀

cobalt vortex
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should i open a notepad or a actual notebook

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what

teal crystal
cobalt vortex
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would be the best

scarlet halo
scarlet halo
faint prawn
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LeetCode with Rust allows you to implement traits on the types it provides. Hacky.

lavish rover
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it's not even execution speed, I prefer compiler catching my bugs

scarlet halo
cobalt vortex
faint prawn
cobalt vortex
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on like how to set it up

lavish rover
teal crystal
whole bear
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Yo Viv

faint prawn
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100x slower sounds faster than I expected.

scarlet halo
lavish rover
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if you care about perf

faint prawn
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Rust is also ergonomic/productive

scarlet halo
whole bear
teal crystal
whole bear
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Yo mustafa

alpine crater
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I'm everwhere

faint prawn
rugged root
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Not entirely wrong

lavish rover
faint prawn
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(Except when it takes an hour to compile)

scarlet halo
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my neovim starts in ~40ms

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@alpine crater what WM are you using?

alpine crater
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niri

scarlet halo
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woah.

teal crystal
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rust uncle is there to help python run fast

lavish rover
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the advantage of Rust ends up being more that it forces you to write better code to compile, more so than "its a better language"

whole bear
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Where is sazk?

wind raptor
whole bear
#

Been a while since I've seen him

teal crystal
faint prawn
lavish rover
#

both have their own pros and cons, both are good at their own place
fully agree. I use python all the time, i love the language. But I also find people very quick to just use python for any project just because it's "easy" and then add complexity later to "fall back" to rust/c++/c for performance, when it really wasn't the right language for the job in the first place

whole bear
#

How does spelis have stream perms?

scarlet halo
#

😭

teal crystal
lavish rover
whole bear
#

Chill out my guy

faint prawn
scarlet halo
#

😭🙏

faint prawn
#

(Java naming conventions being nouns for types/fields/variables, verbs for methods)

scarlet halo
lavish rover
# lavish rover whatever the case may be, that's how it works in big tech companies. Incentives ...

i've seen this devolve to the extreme at previous job, where code was absolutely worst python code I've ever seen. Some guy didn't want to write C++ so wrote the entire middle part of the compiler in python. start/end parts are in C++ and we had to deal with a whole nightmare of shit python code, interacting with C/C++ code, and then also trying to rewrite parts of it back into C++ extensions for perf

rugged root
teal crystal
lavish rover
#

we can put aside perf for all i care about. When you have a large system, my opinion is you should prefer a statically typed system where you can catch a whole class of bugs at compile time

faint prawn
lavish rover
#

you wouldn't believe the amount of engineering time we wasted with prod failing on "type mismatch error" or "wrong number of arguments passed" just because we didn't have enough test coverage to check all code paths

rugged root
lavish rover
#

at least a few a week

rugged root
#

verb verb I guess

faint prawn
#

Class used as a function which has a non-piece of grammar as its name. And named in lowercase over snake_case.

rugged root
#

That'd just be casting in Java, though

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Those don't typically get their own method

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Or in the same way

peak depot
rugged root
#

Although it's also been.... over 10 years since I even touched Java

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So my memory is supremely hazy

faint prawn
#

It'd be a[n extension] method on a stream.

rugged root
#

Oh derp, right

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I don't know why my brain took it as type to type

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I'm out of it

faint prawn
#

I guess I'm a Java dev now.

teal crystal
whole bear
#

What’s your go-to music (or noise) for coding?

lavish rover
faint prawn
wise cargoBOT
#
typing.cast 

typing.cast(typ, val)```
Cast a value to a type.

This returns the value unchanged. To the type checker this signals that the return value has the designated type, but at runtime we intentionally don’t check anything (we want this to be as fast as possible).
lavish rover
#

I tried turning on mypy at my old workplace and there were literally millions of errors

faint prawn
#

!d typing.Any

wise cargoBOT
#
typing.Any 

typing.Any```
Special type indicating an unconstrained type.

• Every type is compatible with [`Any`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.Any).

• [`Any`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.Any) is compatible with every type...
faint prawn
#

Both these destroy any hope of valid typing.

primal shadow
#

So many people, so little noise

lavish rover
#

these problems dont exist / can be mitigated if you're working on projects just by yourself. Once you start scaling to 100s or 1000s of developers, just hoping people type stuff correctly breaks down

#

you can just type something as "Any" in python to skip checks, which makes it very easy

teal crystal
faint prawn
lavish rover
#

yep, too many ways to "opt out" of writing good code even with a linter

teal crystal
primal shadow
#

I'll listen 🙂

lavish rover
primal shadow
#

Damn

lavish rover
#

and no one wants me to spend months of my time just fixing type errors instead of getting real models shipped

primal shadow
#

Time to bump the rent, half the people can fall off the list

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Nice

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That'll be nice, family is good to have near, especially if you like them

#

Things

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Make a thing'

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code it to be good

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code it to be the best

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like nothing ever was

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to code it is your real test, to finish is your goal

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Hope that helps

teal crystal
# lavish rover and no one wants me to spend months of my time just fixing type errors instead o...

actually this thing is actual engineering rule which is not mostly being taught, people just learn this thing when they learn static languages and if they didn't worked in those static languages very well
then they find python easy but i sometimes find python easy and sometimes static languages
in which you have to pass each and every parameter even if you just want it to be zero of that value type/null/none

faint prawn
lavish rover
# faint prawn

unironically, we had a integration pipeline that never once passed in the 18 months i was there

#

and this was completely unrelated to type errors

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just shit compiler

lavish rover
#

realistically you work with a new language for a few weeks and then it doesn't matter

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the hardest part of software engineering is not even writing the code

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i spend maybe 15-20% of my time TOPS actually implementing a feature in code

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optimizing for that is just wrong

onyx hull
signal brook
#

rate the song boyz

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rate the song

alpine crater
#

ARghhhh

#

I hate github actions

faint prawn
#

Some ML-derived languages don't require you to have much typing in the code, most of it is inferred.

teal crystal
lavish rover
lavish rover
#

i am so thankful i don't really have to think/worry about CI at current company too much

faint prawn
faint prawn
#

Unless you want to the breakage.

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(For example, to notice compat issues earlier)

lavish rover
#

pinning doesn't work if you own both packages and want to keep support for the newest versions

teal crystal
amber raptor
faint prawn
lavish rover
faint prawn
#

I'm leaning more and more towards microservice fanaticism over reuse through packages (for backend).

lavish rover
#

previous job didn't and it would be huge pain to monorepo

teal crystal
amber raptor
#

monorepos are huge pain periods

lavish rover
#

because one of the dependencies depends on google's build infra to build XLA and we had to seperate it into a containerized build

lavish rover
#

we also have really good infra for it

alpine crater
#

👋

amber raptor
lavish rover
#

agreed

#

can go terribly if you don't invest in maintaining it / good caching and distributed build farms

amber raptor
#

like Monorepo works at Google, Google apparently has entire SRE team(s) dedicated to care and feeding monorepo builds

lavish rover
#

same @ meta

amber raptor
#

Yea, one of those, FAANG does it, you should probably not

lavish rover
teal crystal
amber raptor
#

GHA works fine assuming you have pretty standard use case, shoving something into a container

faint prawn
#

Useful terminology for that.

teal crystal
primal shadow
#

I hear no music

alpine crater
#

Wait am I sharing desktop audio

faint prawn
#

Rust actually has a notion of "internal API" (not published) even when it's technically public.

#

#[doc(hidden)]

alpine crater
#

Did it stop now?

faint prawn
#

(For macros and multi-crate workspaces)

primal shadow
#

I was about to say I just poppedi n and heard nothing

#

So if it was it's not

alpine crater
teal crystal
amber raptor
#

There is plenty of build systems

alpine crater
#

I also use it when traits should be public because users should be allow to use them in bounds, but the actual methods should be private (which you cant actually do)

faint prawn
#

Forgejo Actions or GitLab if you want self-hosting.

alpine crater
#

well I could use a sealed trait

#

but thats gets ugly fast

faint prawn
#

Forgejo Actions are mostly compatible with GitHub Actions.

#

(Former is built using nektos/act)

scarlet halo
lavish rover
#

it's not even about the public/private/published APIs tbh, it's stuff that the user never interacts with or cares about. For eg: the data structures our compiler uses to talk to our runtime, which are both in their separate repos. They are changed all the time, and are non-user facing and don't constitute a major update but the incompatibility does break tests

alpine crater
#

yhe I have a doc hidden macro_ref module with a bunch of stuff

# 
/// Public exports of internal data structures for `natrix_macros` to use in generated code.
#[doc(hidden)]
pub mod macro_ref {
    pub use {const_base, const_sha1};

    pub use super::reactivity::component::ComponentBase;
    pub use super::reactivity::signal::{Signal, SignalMethods, SignalState};
    pub use super::reactivity::state::{ComponentData, E, Guard, State};
}
faint prawn
#

Super Reactivity™️

lavish rover
faint prawn
lavish rover
#

ah sorry I'm not tracking that thread of conversation, my bad

alpine crater
lavish rover
#

all these software problems are way harder if you assume the others are malicious 🙃 not to say the other engineers want to break the code, but everyone wants to implement their own features and don't necessarily care about the state of what others are doing which many times has conflicting changes

#

"just turn on CI" or "turn on typing" etc are answers that don't work if you can opt out

alpine crater
#

Y E S

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join us

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its a unit test

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😛

# 
    #[test]
    fn unique_is_unique() {
        assert_ne!(unique_str!(), unique_str!());
    }
whole bear
alpine crater
#

I only have good friends /s

whole bear
#

OMG THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE

#

guys

#

tell me what you think about this song

alpine crater
#

not the kind of music I like is all I can say

#

A frontend framework

opaque mulch
gleaming tusk
# opaque mulch

i hope thats just mis-formatting and its 70ms that got multiplied by 1000 instead

opaque mulch
#

no

#

Whatever method of time measuring it uses is just terribly wrong

#

like docker ps will say it was running for 21 hours.
(it's been running for like 10 minutes)

alpine crater
#

copilot in neovim is super easy

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its just a plugin

#

I dont use Copilot because money

#

🍿

#

neovim is fast when you need to do a lot

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like doing a similar modification across 10 files

#

you have AI in nvim as well

#

here this

wise cargoBOT
#

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

scarlet halo
#

oh come on

opaque mulch
#

uploadn't 💀

lavish rover
#

it's ok i was making a joke i didn't want your config

scarlet halo
last condor
#

hello

scarlet halo
lavish rover
#

appreciate u

lusty geode
#

Hello everyone, I'm new to this , enthusiastic to learn programming, can anyone help there

scarlet halo
alpine crater
#

Because neovim has nicer keyboard only support

#

How do you move a file to another folder with just keyboard in VsCode.?

scarlet halo
#

Viv is that oil.nvim?

alpine crater
#

yes

#

love it

opaque mulch
#

Vim ™️
"Turning your text editor into a jigsaw puzzle"

scarlet halo
#

i started using it a couple days ago and i love it too

scarlet halo
alpine crater
#

I mean

#

objectively speaking neovim is faster

#

VsCode takes a while to spin up a whole browser

scarlet halo
lavish rover
alpine crater
#

idk what my startup time is

#

but at least not long enough to where I notice

scarlet halo
alpine crater
#

whats the command to time it again?

scarlet halo
#

you can just check in Lazy.nvim if youre using that

alpine crater
#

65ms

scarlet halo
#

thats still pretty good

opaque mulch
#

Mine says 70ms but it's lying.
The window was frozen for like 2 seconds 💀

scarlet halo
#

yesterday (before optimizing my shit) neovim started in like 100+ms

scarlet halo
opaque mulch
#

legit what do I do when my timer function is lagging 💯

lavish rover
#

how often do you guys start your editors that this is a concern

#

i don't remember the last time i closed vscode

scarlet halo
alpine crater
#

I shall be going now 👋

whole bear
#

Bye friend

twilit raptor
#

327680 triangles LOL

image.png
fast gyro
#

@scarlet halo

image.png
rugged tendon
somber heath
#

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_(biscuit)

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Each biscuit comprises two biscuit layers sandwiching a creamy filling. While many such biscuits are moulded to a design, both sides of the Monte Carlo biscuit are rough. The biscuit layers have a mild taste of golden...

#

@split shuttle 👋

split shuttle
#

hello

#

bro

#

i dont have permission to speak -_-

somber heath
#

!voice

wise cargoBOT
#
Voice verification

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rugged tendon
somber heath
static geyser
#

20th (time zone GMT-4) past 8pm can someone judge my game code?

robust oasis
#

Hello

#

JavaScript does crazy things. == is different than ===

teal crystal
robust oasis
#

False: 1 === "1"
True: 1 == "1"

#

True: 1 == "1"

lavish rover
teal crystal
lavish rover
# 
$ uptime
 0:35  up 237 days, 23:51, 5 users, load averages: 6.13 6.62 6.31
robust oasis
#

What do you need to know about databases?

teal crystal
lavish rover
rain frigate
#

yo bro wssp

#

you know anyone who understand physics ?

#

looking for some help

#

yah lol

robust oasis
teal crystal
# lavish rover macos

yep
then obviously it doesn't need any restart or shutdown

nowadays my windows doesn't work properly after few days/weeks so i have to restart it more frequently than previously when it was just once in 1-2 months

lavish rover
somber heath
rain frigate
#

I've just built a really cool simulator and , I want someone who could help me break it down

#

but also get it in the right place

#

ill send a imgur

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^^

#

i just need someone who could help me with that on a science level

#

yes

#

hope that we have a revolution before the switch and enslave us further lmfao

robust oasis
#

Unless it is a new startup, there will be legacy software

rain frigate
#

Lmfao its cool

#

i mean anyone works really

soft axle
rain frigate
#

that's def a different type of sim than normal lol

inner hill
#

most startup use frameworks of js

robust oasis
rain frigate
#

yah , that's cool. i can stick around and unlock voice chat lol

#

idk why i deleted it , imma try nd get better quality tho

#

Need someone to help with this tho ^^ and breaking it down and getting it to the right person

#

that's for new people my b lmfao

soft axle
#

cough cough -MATLAB/Access/SAS/Fortran/Stata/SPSS

soft axle
robust oasis
soft axle
robust oasis
robust oasis
soft axle
lavish rover
#

Octave

rain frigate
#

btw i made my own math for that simulator

#

it doesnt' use tensors or qm math lmfao

#

i completely made that from scratch

lavish rover
#

cool

robust oasis
#

Java is still used a lot

# 
System.out.println(myString);
#

Assembly!

#

There is a free course on Coursera for DSA

lavish rover
#

!paste

wise cargoBOT
#
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static geyser
wise cargoBOT
sonic smelt
#

hello guys

#

i m new to this server

#

i am learning django because of my internship work

static geyser
#

ValueError: 'function_button_divide' is not in list

sonic smelt
#

but i want to learn java spring

#

so i basically want to learn backend

#

is it okay if i learn both java spring and django at the same time?

static geyser
#

button_sprite(function_button_divide, button_placement.index("function_button_divide"), function_button_divide_uses)

soft axle
#

naur 2

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unless you need to use them in combination for whatever reason

robust oasis
sonic smelt
robust oasis
sonic smelt
#

i already watched a 3 hour video on django yesterday

#

not segfault, how many years of experience do you have?

#

do you work around a communication system / app? @lavish rover

lavish rover
#

machine learning, not the programming language

sonic smelt
#

guys whats your opinion on learning backend development to get a fresher job in 2025?

#

i would like to become a java dev

inner hill
soft axle
#

tech rn is suffering and a lot of people are struggling to find positions in tech

#

a lot of AI is replacing a lot of entry-level positions for jobs like those unfortunately

inner hill
lavish rover
inner hill
#

is the compiler language dependent @lavish rover

what languages does AI Chips use

lavish rover
inner hill
#

@lavish rover RISC based means converting the input into bunch of one and zeros or use assembly i don't know

lavish rover
inner hill
#

@lavish rover to which form the input is converted into
what do you mean by RISC-based

#

but RISC is a architecture right ,how does the pytorch function works on RISC - based AI based chip, what languge does RISC based chips use
@lavish rover

#

instructions like mov from register a to register / ADD @lavish rover

lavish rover
#

eventually yes

#

you need to do that for any chip

#

any software running on any chip

inner hill
#

but people use software like adruino in c/c++ for chips

lavish rover
#

well there's a compiler that compiles c/c++ for the arduino too

inner hill
#

Does ur job include any work related to Internet of things like iot protocols:TCP, MPTCP, UDP, DCCP, SCTP,CoAP, XMPP, AMQP, MQTT

things like ZWave, Zigbee Smart Energy, DASH7 @lavish rover

lavish rover
#

not really close to what i do at all, most of those are just letters to me

inner hill
#

i got it , you work with chips
not with these kind of things

lavish rover
#

yeah

inner hill
#

these chips are made by meta ,meta invented pytorch, do they only allow pytorch as a input
@lavish rover or the chip works on RISC instruction , the pytorch or any other things like tensorflow can be used if you have correct ML compiler

lavish rover
#

we only use chips inside meta for now and pytorch is the standard, so no easy way right now to use something external

#

theoretically possible to integrate with something else but we haven't put any work into it

inner hill
#

in which language does ur companies version control system is written @lavish rover
is it C?

lavish rover
inner hill
uneven mantle
#

@inner hill sorry bro, I'm not elgible for voice verification.

#

@inner hill I'll msg u later

inner hill
#

you sent 50 messages, and active in 3 10 min blocks

uneven mantle
#

But they said we cannot spam

inner hill
#

then you will get voice access in the channel

#

don't spam means sending unwant messages
rply in the voice chat text or ask questions about anything in the voice chat text

uneven mantle
#

Ok

#

Bro

#

How r u

#

Wasuppp

#

@inner hill Are u an real human or not

#

Are u a moderator here

#

@inner hill print (sorry)

inner hill
#

no, i am human
i am not a moderator

#

!e

wise cargoBOT
#
Missing required argument

code

uneven mantle
#

!e

wise cargoBOT
#
Missing required argument

code

inner hill
#

!e
print("sorry")

wise cargoBOT
inner hill
#

!e
s=" i am human "
print(s.split())

wise cargoBOT
inner hill
#

!e '''
s2="i am "

print(s1.split())
'''

uneven mantle
#

s = "I asked you that because you've always been incredibly helpful."
print(s.split())

#

!e

wise cargoBOT
#
Missing required argument

code

uneven mantle
inner hill
#

add !e at the top

uneven mantle
#

@lapis galleon hii

#

Ok

inner hill
#

!e

s = "I asked you that because you've always been incredibly helpful."
print(s.split())

wise cargoBOT
lapis galleon
#

@uneven mantle hello

uneven mantle
#

!e
Print("asalamualaikum")

wise cargoBOT
# uneven mantle !e Print("asalamualaikum")

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     Print("asalamualaikum")
004 |     ^^^^^
005 | NameError: name 'Print' is not defined. Did you mean: 'print'?
lapis galleon
#

@all i want to learn a new python library so you guys can you help me with that

#

I mean which library i want learn

uneven mantle
#

Suggestion him a library to learn

inner hill
uneven mantle
#

!e
print("asalamualaikum")

wise cargoBOT
uneven mantle
inner hill
lapis galleon
uneven mantle
inner hill
#

i was ,right now i just graduated

uneven mantle
#

where ur from?

inner hill
#

india

lapis galleon
inner hill
#

oh,nice!

uneven mantle
lapis galleon
#

Where in india

inner hill
#

south

lapis galleon
#

Im also

uneven mantle
#

Naatile evideya

inner hill
#

kerala

lapis galleon
#

Um also

#

Kasaragod

inner hill
#

kollam

uneven mantle
#

I thought u were from usa

uneven mantle
inner hill
inner hill
uneven mantle
uneven mantle
sonic smelt
#

hello guys

scarlet halo
#

hi

candid spire
#

@hallow warren What you talking about?

candid spire
#

Is jims drunk?

scarlet halo
candid spire
#

He sounds as if he is drunk

#

No offense

#

I think C would be better for neo vim?

scarlet halo
#

got breadcrumbs working now 👍

R1ewHlTshNr8Okm.png
candid spire
#

Python is doable with neo vim

#

Jims has too many questions!

scarlet halo
#

qutebrowser ( a vim-like web browser made in Python + QT is, (not) surprisingly configured with python. ) is a cool browser

candid spire
#

Zen is programmed in which lang?

#

Zen make use of python or c?

scarlet halo
#

what is zen?

#

the browser?

candid spire
#

Yes

scarlet halo
#

im guessing a C language

candid spire
#

Zen is using FireFox

#

So it is all JS, CSS and C++

candid spire
#

C is good but it is not easy to maintain

#

jims do have some idea ig about lang and it's intended purpose?

#

I do understand shaders

#

I gotta go my brain juice has exhausted

#

bye tc

scarlet halo
#

😭

wild wing
#

Hey I just make a app on real world problem

#

Like a person reading pdf and want know meaning of new word so he dont have to minimize the pdf he just drag a icon which is on the screen and he got the meaning of that word

#

May I also use one time payment mathod

#

And also working on onother app which reach Instagram I'd by multiple variations in name

#

Hey anyone see me

candid spire
#

Hello

#

My brain juice is full again

#

how you all doing?

#

@scarlet halo Hello how you doing?

paper wolf
#

uhh what's the story???

#

._.

somber heath
#

@grizzled mural 👋

grizzled mural
#

Hey 👋

paper wolf
#

they join them leave

grizzled mural
#

is it meeting or something?

paper wolf
#

nothing just vibin

grizzled mural
#

ohh okay

#

keep vibin, i have my AGILE exam tomorrow 🙂

somber heath
#

@lilac escarp 👋

lilac escarp
#

hallo

somber heath
#

!voice

wise cargoBOT
#
Voice verification

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lilac escarp
#

yeahh just got here. needs 3 days, 50 messages and needs to be active etc etc

#

Do you guys know any free APIs similar to openai? building my own AI assistant but my card is getting declined when I pay for the tokens

marble mantle
#

openai models but hosted at azure

#

anthropic

#

deepseek

#

whatever other chinese llm

inner hill
#

Gemini API
it's google's and i think it is free but has limit ot something
nividia's nemotron
is free

lilac escarp
#

oohh thanks

marble mantle
#

google and ai? a whole two things im not interested in? twice as happy to ignore

#

@somber heath "its very easy to get an ai like that for yourself, you just follow what the character did: be born rich"

#

@steady stag because you mentioned the glove:

image.png
#

vibe expectation vs real reality

peak depot
somber heath
#

@sudden wraith 👋

steady stag
sudden wraith
candid spire
#

vibe coder ain't bad

somber heath
#

@strong sierra 👋

inner hill
#

!e

A = [1,2,2,1]
B = set(A)
print("sum of A ",sum(A))
print("sum of B ",sum(set(B)))
sum(A) == sum(B)

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