voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

maybe one day Python will have heredoc or something similar

like Rust does

[peak junco]

rust, ew

[peak junco]

thanks for the time tho

[peak junco]

What I'm even looking at

[vocal basin]

r#"..."#

if you need to, for some reason, have "# inside, then just add more # around

r##" "# "##

add #s until works

[peak junco]

[vocal basin]

quite useful for writing SQL

since " appears inside statements quite often

[peak junco]

I don't even know how to react to that

[vocal basin]

though ig in Python you can achieve the same with """..."""

mostly

since \ is normally not used in SQL

hmm

ig makes sense

mostly

[main comet]

quaternions >:)

[peak junco]

I was wondering why os.path.join didn't include the slash after 'H:'

[vocal basin]

!d pathlib

[wise cargo]

pathlib

Added in version 3.4.

Source code: Lib/pathlib/

This module offers classes representing filesystem paths with semantics appropriate for different operating systems. Path classes are divided between pure paths, which provide purely computational operations without I/O, and concrete paths, which inherit from pure paths but also provide I/O operations.

...

[peak junco]

So apparently 'H:Folder\' is valid?

[vocal basin]

it's likely for some weird other prefixes

[vocal basin]

though still kind of unusual that joining doesn't add a / anyway

[vocal basin]

btw, this works with / instead of \ just fine

as it should

[peak junco]

At this point might as well just write the whole path with the / for posix and \\ for windows

[vocal basin]

use pathlib

it's made for that exact purpose of being generic and user-friendly

[peak junco]

I'm curious, why python bot added this

[vocal basin]

!d os

for that

!e, !d and some other allow deleting the bot's reply

[peak junco]

hm

[vocal basin]

the what

[peak junco]

I will take a look, thanks anyway

[cinder socket]

yo

how to get verified for voice chat

[vocal basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[short owl]

Tesla calculated in Quatarions @main comet

[main comet]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-illusion-loop-endless-gif-16823040

[short owl]

trying to remember how to spell it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

[fiery flower]

https://github.com/deepakstark01

https://adwatcher.tech/

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/bt6Yu.gif

[vocal basin]

finally done with brushing my hair so can join now

@toxic meadow what level of data structures- and algorithms-related education do you already have?

[toxic meadow]

consider me at 0

[vocal basin]

are you taking any courses already?

unironically, two best resources for me were Wikipedia and University when it came to data structures

leetcode is useful for applying those

codewars is good too, but it's structured very differently

[rugged root]

One sec at the checkout at Walgreens

[toxic meadow]

can u suggest any course?

[vocal basin]

I've never looked through any serious courses other than one AI/ML course

... and that one course was in Russian

[toxic meadow]

SEND ME AIML ALSO

im a aiml pursuing undergrat

[rugged root]

I'm getting food stuffs. I'll unmute soon

[vocal basin]

chief ducky officer

[rugged root]

@somber heath this is why you are my favorite

[vocal basin]

someone needs to manage all these after all

[toxic meadow]

do u have any suggestion?

[vocal basin]

are you working on any projects currently?

[toxic meadow]

with any hands on learning courses?

[toxic meadow]

nah im restartin rn i left coding cuz i was sad i think

played games 8hr a day

now wanna have a fresh start

gonna do dsa and ML

[vocal basin]

you should start working on your own projects as soon as possible

[toxic meadow]

anything helps

[vocal basin]

find ways to apply data structures there instead of just learning them for the sake of learning

[toxic meadow]

i will in a week im just starting

but i didnt learn at all

im at two pointers

im followin neetcode.io roadmap

help me alisa TwT

[vocal basin]

@main comet why not both

@main comet there is a guess of who that might've been, at which point, yeah, both options + hiring attempt

I have no idea of how learning is supposed to be done

[vocal basin]

I got taught Python in school, so kind of lucky for that

@rugged root for now

[vocal basin]

(yes it did take over an hour)

[vocal basin]

(human not included)

[fast jolt]

hi

[main comet]

hi

[vocal basin]

cereal port

pre-calculus? no we're doing post-hardcore calculus

given how mathcore is a genre, yeah, checks out

[stuck furnace]

Hey 👋

Working late?

You probably can't see what I'm typing

[toxic meadow]

.

[vocal basin]

@main comet watch WarGames
you might understand one and a half more references

[main comet]

.

[stuck furnace]

Past me is such an inconsiderate jerk

[vocal basin]

I don't understand "roadmaps"

I do understand the appeal

[vocal basin]

but why have we not abandoned the misinterpreted context

[vocal basin]

the most I have on record per game is this

1000h per year is around okay

I definitely know I've listened to "Хтонь" for several hundred times already

[stuck furnace]

Does anyone remember last.fm?

[vocal basin]

probably over 500

[toxic meadow]

btw can u share those ml courses?

u did

[main comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IO0FZIotRI

[vocal basin]

https://dls.samcs.ru/

[stuck furnace]

@toxic meadow Bye 👋

[vocal basin]

I doubt there's an English version

[toxic meadow]

good nighty everyone

[toxic meadow]

ahh gotta learn russian language

lmao

[vocal basin]

was mentioned here a couple of days ago

seemingly still used widely enough

[stuck furnace]

Cya @rugged root

[main comet]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/63Gt4lQ5EEI

[scarlet dust]

Yo @vocal basin @main comet @somber heath Hows it going

[vocal basin]

minesweepering https://minesweeper.online/game/4531161044

[scarlet dust]

epic

[somber heath]

@restive prawn 👋

[vocal basin]

yeah, necessary sacrifice

to prevent voice trolls

at least most of them

some do, but most don't

I haven't seen the VCs pre-voice-gate, but allegedly it was way worse just before its introduction

[scarlet dust]

you overestimate the modern human's ability to follow through

[vocal basin]

just realised how balanced the VC is
(3/3 split by at least two separate metrics)

[vocal basin]

somehow still surviving

[scarlet dust]

goddam

[vocal basin]

ah, forgot, also staff/non-staff is split 3/3 too
so three metrics total

[stuck furnace]

👀

What're you up to?

Gotta go 👋

[vocal basin]

my brain really did just go through "wait, where did you even get ice in Australia"

the context of a refrigerator was not instantly recognised

gambling time

only 46% done before explosion

why is the Australian mountain Polish

Russian pronunciation for it is somewhat unusual

kostsyushko rather than koshchyushko

like ts is very articulated

I have no idea what the right one is

seems to be shchtsyu

ściu in Polish, щцю in Russian

but Russian version is simplified to сцю (stsyu)

I don't remember what was the highest mountain I've been to

idk what altitude that is

[somber heath]

@plain sparrow 👋

[vocal basin]

the animal did not like being fed soy meat

(it did not pick the right timing, because we did not have proper meat prepared that day)

[somber heath]

@spare rampart 👋

[vocal basin]

@somber heath for the next time Zak joins:

[somber heath]

@pearl sigil 👋

[vocal basin]

I can see how Discord could facilitate interviews and whatever but you still need some external system to match candidates with companies

even if that could be a bot or whatever

[wise loom]

not trying to build something like that, not trying to build any app or write any code

[vocal basin]

idk what job interview are supposed to be like

haven't participated on either side

also I'm starting to miss words again

in sentences

aaaa

writing is hard

I shouldn't be attempting it right now probably

[somber heath]

@shrewd warren 👋

[shrewd warren]

@wind raptor server cringe bc I need to send messages before I can speak :/

But I'm doing fine

how ya doin?

@somber heath Alright

Not at the moment

I have exams coming up

but I was working on TSP

aka (ChatGPT prompting till I get shit I want)

@somber heath Hear me out

You know the principle of least action?

Or snell's law?

[somber heath]

@halcyon grail 👋

[shrewd warren]

Like when light is refracted it seems to find the path of least distance through that medium

[vocal basin]

in school we derived it I think

maybe more than once

[shrewd warren]

noice

Yeah but I tried atleast applying it to TSP

and I got deacent results

[vocal basin]

so many options

[shrewd warren]

Traveling Salesman Problem(TSP) @wind raptor

TL:DR on a scatterplot find the path of least distance in a reasonable amount of time

ok :)

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor there are standard acronyms for a certain set of problems

e.g. SAT3

[shrewd warren]

I think it's on the permutation

[vocal basin]

COL, I think, is the colouring? I don't remember

[shrewd warren]

I don't think permutation but combination

[vocal basin]

like in the context of NP stuff they shorten it all the time

[shrewd warren]

No... It's worse

[vocal basin]

that's no more than n!

[shrewd warren]

Bruh...

tbh I never learned this formally

always interesting to learn

[primal shadow]

n! > n!/(a number > 1)

[vocal basin]

you'll need non-integers for it to be otherwise

and negative inputs

and the extrapolation of factorial rather than actual factorial

!d itertools.permutations

[wise cargo]

itertools.permutations

itertools.permutations(iterable, r=None)```
Return successive *r* length [permutations of elements](https://www.britannica.com/science/permutation) from the *iterable*.

If *r* is not specified or is `None`, then *r* defaults to the length of the *iterable* and all possible full-length permutations are generated.

The output is a subsequence of [`product()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/itertools.html#itertools.product) where entries with repeated elements have been filtered out. The length of the output is given by [`math.perm()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html#math.perm) which computes `n! / (n - r)!` when `0 ≤ r ≤ n` or zero when `r > n`...

[vocal basin]

!d itertools.combinations

[wise cargo]

itertools.combinations

itertools.combinations(iterable, r)```
Return *r* length subsequences of elements from the input *iterable*.

The output is a subsequence of [`product()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/itertools.html#itertools.product) keeping only entries that are subsequences of the *iterable*. The length of the output is given by [`math.comb()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html#math.comb) which computes `n! / r! / (n - r)!` when `0 ≤ r ≤ n` or zero when `r > n`.

The combination tuples are emitted in lexicographic order according to the order of the input *iterable*. If the input *iterable* is sorted, the output tuples will be produced in sorted order...

[shrewd warren]

There's a proof

[vocal basin]

0! := 1
(n + 1)! := (n + 1) * n!

it is by definition

if the definition you're using is sane

[vocal basin]

either definition of factorial, or definition of product

[shrewd warren]

I remember watching a guy explaning it with this method couple years ago

[vocal basin]

base case of multiplying 0 things is 1

by the same logic that sum of 0 things is 0

you can't extrapolate factorial to negative integers in a reasonable manner

it's 1 because 1 is neutral element for multiplication

[vocal basin]

this one

not one of

[terse garden]

n! = n x (n-1)!

[vocal basin]

the base case

[woeful blaze]

How is everyone doing today?

[vocal basin]

I prefer this

[terse garden]

1! = (1) x (1 - 1)!

0! = 1

[shrewd warren]

and also you need a base case for recursive functions

[vocal basin]

this one is kind of not a constructive definition

but instead axiomatic

you need a strict base case

[somber heath]

@untold garnet 👋

[vocal basin]

for induction to work

[untold garnet]

@somber heath hi

[shrewd warren]

I've been told that I need to learn A LOT of math for computer science

So I learned as much as I could

[untold garnet]

Does anyone use Pycharm?

[shrewd warren]

@primal shadow what about python script?

[vocal basin]

what you do there is:
you take an axiom n! = n (n-1)!
you prove 0! = 1 if it's possible
then reconstruct everything upwards

... you also assume 1! = 1

maths doesn't really give you recursion for free

you need to construct it

[shrewd warren]

Honestly you could translate python and pseudocode to mathmatical functions

I've done that for my comp sci quiz

translated a for loop to a sigma sum and evaluated that instead of the code

[vocal basin]

!pypi wolframclient

[wise cargo]

wolframclient v1.4.0

A Python library with various tools to interact with the Wolfram Language and the Wolfram Cloud.

Released on <t:1717512398:D>.

[vocal basin]

via induction

fun fact: you can prove induction

the proof is somewhat weird but funny

[wind raptor]

!stream 745015733238497330 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @terse garden can now stream until <t:1745372064:f>.

[shrewd warren]

@terse garden pls send the spaghetti graph

You a uni student landbus?

[vocal basin]

don't tweak/tune; debug.

[shrewd warren]

@terse garden You didn't show your work >:(

very noice

@terse garden Do you work for a university for your research?

What field of Mathmatics are you trying to get in?

[vocal basin]

I couldn't find that in a reasonable enough form so had to figure it out myself

[shrewd warren]

@terse garden I bet that guy could write an entire english paragraph into some mathmatical equation

yeah

that guy is nuts

He's a math whiz oOoOoO

[vocal basin]

@terse garden average Category Theory experience

[shrewd warren]

Average set theory guy

It'd be cool to know everything

[vocal basin]

I did, in a way, get a job because of having learned some parts of category theory

[shrewd warren]

@terse garden Since In my math class I am considered "smart" and understand the concepts I usually hold myself to help others understand the concept

yeah

Isn't that what perelman did with Hamilton?

yeah

[wind raptor]

Hey @frosty shell 👋

[frosty shell]

hey Mindful Dev

@wind raptor

[shrewd warren]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ocqajhcpid

[somber heath]

https://technologizer.com/home/2025/04/22/pc-connection-ads-raccoons/

[wind raptor]

!stream 227885138623594497 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @tulip gyro can now stream until <t:1745376581:f>.

[tulip gyro]

https://docs.manim.community/en/stable/index.html

[short owl]

Oooooh that is nifty @tulip gyro

it animates fast because you precalculate the frames into a vid file

[tulip gyro]

https://www.3blue1brown.com/

[golden hearth]

Whats that Pixler?

Never heard of it-

whats manim?-

[wind raptor]

@tulip gyro

[somber heath]

@urban ledge 👋

[wind raptor]

https://pypi.org/project/manim-code-blocks-redux/ @tulip gyro

[urban ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cha-pri-gif-4196443019552842049

[astral coral]

fixed the walls

[upper basin]

Depends on what ALOT is. For comp sci you should know:

• Linear Algebra (if you are a AI/ML or quantum developer then tensor networks as well)
• Prob and Stats
• Calculus (multivariate functions, differentials, integrals)
• Discrete math

And 90 percent of these are covered in school, in IGCSE that's usually A and O levels.

[astral coral]

do we even do O levels anymore?

[upper basin]

Afaik.

[astral coral]

British educational system? I think A levels phased them out?

[upper basin]

Yeah IGCSE.

iirc they still do A and O levels.

Maybe it's changed.

[astral coral]

ahhh kk

like I know my mother did O levels

and when I was a kid it was A levels

I failed school so :L

I went to a special needs school as a kid, later I redid my GCSEs and got A levels equivs and then went to Uni to study BSC Psychology and Neuro

[somber heath]

@still carbon 👋

[whole bear]

Hey

Hemlock

I cant get verified

[rugged root]

Did you hit the button in #voice-verification?

Should tell you what you're missing

[still herald]

Guys

I wanna ask something

[rugged root]

What's up?

Sorry, in the middle of a convo

[still herald]

Yeah I wanna to find a crack version of InDesign

[rugged root]

We won't help with that

[still herald]

I wanna make a art portfolio, I want a find an alternative to InDesign

[rugged root]

We don't help people find cracked or pirated versions of stuff

[still herald]

What about an alternate of InDesign

I mean

[rugged root]

I'm looking for cheaper or free ones

@still herald https://www.scribus.net/

Only problem with this one is that you can't import InDesign projects or whatever they're called

[viscid merlin]

Gya anyone know about Barrier ?

[peak depot]

https://youtu.be/W8VhFor9zYU?si=AQv5uXW5LvqGKpPp

[rugged root]

I think Logitech has something similar. I know my mouse can swap between two different dongles (tee hee) that can be connected to two different computers and I can swap between

[viscid merlin]

kind of but not like this

[rugged root]

Is it this? https://github.com/debauchee/barrier

Or is it a different one

[viscid merlin]

yes

This

[whole bear]

Are mechanical keyboard, as good as they are advertised?

[boreal drift]

Yes sir

[obsidian dragon]

!resources @odd dove

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[obsidian dragon]

https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/

[odd dove]

@zealous venture here

#voice-verification

[wind raptor]

https://www.theodinproject.com
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/

[solemn hazel]

hello

im new here

[odd dove]

welcome

[solemn hazel]

I have a project with raspberry pi that will be just yk these automatic radio systems for annoucments in school. I will create it with flask backend bc i am a python senior

[odd dove]

cool

[solemn hazel]

i know, my dad gave me this idea bc i want to be the student school presisident or idk how you call it. (I dont speak english natively)

I use arch btw

[wind raptor]

!stream 553259247853633546 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @full ether can now stream until <t:1745427574:f>.

[wind raptor]

https://www.anthropic.com/news/model-context-protocol

https://modelcontextprotocol.io/introduction

[cerulean ridge]

# Create a new directory for our project
uv init weather
cd weather

# Create virtual environment and activate it
uv venv
source .venv/bin/activate

# Install dependencies
uv add "mcp[cli]" httpx

# Create our server file
touch weather.py

what does uv mean?

[vocal basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_MCP

[cerulean ridge]

The client sends your question to Claude
which line did this?

[bold basalt]

https://github.com/SergeyMakeev/RobloxAvatarExporter
https://x.com/MaximumADHD/status/1599229087746097154
im tired ive been trying to figure this out for like 2 days i cant do this but i really need it 💀

Max ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (@MaximumADHD) on X

Shoutout to @SergeyMakeev for making it possible to export RenderDoc captures as FBX files.

Was trying to get a T-pose of my avatar with layered clothing but Roblox's OBJ exporter wasn't doing it, so I decided to rip it directly from my GPU 💀

X · Dec 4, 2022, 2:28 AM

[cerulean ridge]

https://modelcontextprotocol.io/quickstart/server#what’s-happening-under-the-hood

[bold basalt]

@wind raptor would be helpful if u can help me with this 😭

mb for pining

[wind raptor]

What's going on with it?

[cerulean ridge]

What’s happening under the hood

When you ask a question:

The client sends your question to Claude
Claude analyzes the available tools and decides which one(s) to use
The client executes the chosen tool(s) through the MCP server
The results are sent back to Claude
Claude formulates a natural language response
The response is displayed to you!

[bold basalt]

well roblox studio doesnt support fbx exporting, there is this guy that made a way to export as fbx, and somehow it didnt work for me

also the guy that made a tweet about it said this

[wind raptor]

Sorry, I have no experience with Roblox or fbx or Lua

[bold basalt]

ah, no worries

[bold basalt]

cuz in here it has a python that says to run it

it doesnt work for me

[vocal basin]

what do you mean by "doesn't work"?

[bold basalt]

i did the exact steps

[vocal basin]

I would consider that output working

there is nothing to signal otherwise

[bold basalt]

mind talking in dms about it?

[vocal basin]

proceed to next steps

the server is running

[bold basalt]

i did that

[vocal basin]

what errors happened in those steps?

or none?

[bold basalt]

like nothing happens

i would like to share my screen but i dont have access in the server

[vocal basin]

you did this, right?

[haughty pier]

https://github.com/ryan4yin/nixos-and-flakes-book

https://docs.python.org/3/

[tight jungle]

Well how to be an expert in anything?

[vestal flare]

which tutorial

any good ones

[vocal basin]

"in anything" in what sense?

[tight jungle]

So, I read this article about

was interesting

[tight jungle]

Whats common for all experts in all fields.

[vocal basin]

rule 1 of teaching programming: do not teach C++

[vestal flare]

@spring linden u run nixos.org?

[vocal basin]

did you mean to ping Aaron?

[vestal flare]

oh yes

lmao

[tight jungle]

It was my first language.

Python was so easy after c++

[vocal basin]

it's very broken, unfortunately

C++'s theoretical basis is inconsistent

[haughty pier]

How to become a Python expert (knowledge base):

• docs.python.org: tutorial, library reference, language reference
• Get a feeling for and hard understanding of how Python works reading the source: https://github.com/python/cpython e.g. list implementation (https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/listobject.c), dict implementation, object implementation, ceval.c loop (https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Python/ceval.c) etc...
• Stay on top of what's coming in Python via PEP's (https://peps.python.org/pep-0008/), What's new in the docs, and mailing lists. https://www.python.org/community/lists/
• not mentioned here, actually using it for a while...

[vocal basin]

embed explosion

[vocal basin]

if you ever think you don't fully understand copy/move semantics, it's not a you problem, the language is just broken

[vestal flare]

thats actully helpful

[haughty pier]

thank you

[vestal flare]

❤️

[vocal basin]

wanting to become an expert is somewhat useful

(having interest in the field rather than seeking it for money)

[vestal flare]

depends if u build something

because they got more free time and stable income

^^^^

[whole bear]

@haughty pier why I can't talking in voice chat?

[main comet]

How do I coupe with life!
NOTHING I DO MATTERS!
earth is only 4.5 billion years old, roughly a third of the age of the universe.
Humans have existed for only 300 thousand years.
thats approximately 0.0066 percent of the earths life time.
HUMANS HAVE ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR 0.0002 PERCENT OF EVERYTHING!
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME OF THE MOST ADVANCED LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE!
I FEEL ALONE AND ABANDONED BY SPACETIME ITSELF!

[whole bear]

Okay

[inner hill]

ok

[whole bear]

#voice-verification

[whole bear]

How are you?

[inner hill]

i am fine

[main comet]

EVEN IF WE NUKED THE ENTIRE PLANET, POLUTED THE OCEAN, DESTROYED THE ATMOSPHERE...
IT WOULD ALL BE BACK TO NORMAL IN LESS THEN 100,000 YEARS!

[whole bear]

@haughty pier what kind of professor are you?

[vestal flare]

tell us about nixos @haughty pier

[tight jungle]

You wont be there to see it. Just enjoy the time you got dude.

@haughty pier What do you think about CAISO (Cheif AI Security Officer)

[main comet]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!
IM INFINITELY SMALL!

[tight jungle]

Its basically managing Security on AI and Cyberspace maintaining a balance in both

CISO -> CAISO

[vestal flare]

more of a VP role

[haughty pier]

would you mind not using the capslock when you type, it comes across as very shouty.

[vestal flare]

will it be useful for me?

whats different

[whole bear]

@haughty pier I want to learn to code, how can I start? No one in my high school teaches it.

Do you have the link to 640?

[tight jungle]

Alright now I have a question, Can we integrate AI into os? Like an OS that is managed by AI (More like from the movie Her)

Lol

[vocal basin]

don't use floating point in the kernel

🗞️🗞️

also, no, we already have enough debuggability problems

[tight jungle]

LOL

[vocal basin]

OSes should become more open, and AI is the exact opposite

[tight jungle]

Well I have no idea about how a kernel works

[vocal basin]

same for reliability and clarity

[tight jungle]

Hm. You are telling AI will be unreliable forever?

[vocal basin]

AI is always an external untrusted agent

[whole bear]

@haughty pier are you a millionaire?

[vocal basin]

treat it as a user that can't be held liable

[tight jungle]

Alright. But clarity?

[vocal basin]

the algorithms, especially for critical sections must be as obviously clearly correct as possible

[whole bear]

[vocal basin]

any pseudo-random or intentionally obscure construct is fundamentally at odds with that

[whole bear]

@haughty pier can I start coding on the phone ,no need to have a pc?

[tight jungle]

I would recommend getting a PC

[vocal basin]

termux+vim

[tight jungle]

Hm interesting

[whole bear]

How did you start to code?

[vocal basin]

Windows XP port of TurboPascal almost two decades ago

[tight jungle]

Wow

How do you see programming now? @vocal basin

[vocal basin]

AI is slowing down overall programming progress, so people who are willing to learn get more time to do so, in the age of stagnation that's just beginning

[bold basalt]

okay i give up on this fbx thing 😭

[vocal basin]

as for a more serious answer, I'll need to actually think

[tight jungle]

Well please do

[vocal basin]

I'm considering making my own language soon; for certain specific things that I dislike about raw C, and getting more control over the underlying stack

it might still be just a C-backed language, just with different high level syntax and semantics

[tight jungle]

Everyone just hates C for semantics

[vocal basin]

C is okay mostly

it's consistent at least

[main comet]

after doing some calculations I have come to a conclusion

[tight jungle]

I love C actually. I just like to suffer

[vocal basin]

giant language, but not as giant as most others

[main comet]

3

[tight jungle]

😆

[vocal basin]

Zig currently is the default option for better C

[main comet]

ZAG

[vocal basin]

C++ is kind of a "just happens to also compile C" at this point

[main comet]

LIES

[vocal basin]

Concepts are at least four decades still late

[tight jungle]

Yeah Sometimes, I just see some C++ code and think its C

[main comet]

https://tenor.com/view/morty-im-bored-im-gonna-kill-you-gif-2372101830003964071

[vocal basin]

I mean in its relation to C

[main comet]

hmmm

fine

[vocal basin]

you shouldn't be writing C++ in the style of C

[main comet]

#ifdef

[tight jungle]

If you could shoot some examples?

[vocal basin]

C: malloc/free
C+: new/delete
C++: just use the language features ffs

[tight jungle]

@haughty pier LOL

[haughty pier]

MPGA

[main comet]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[tight jungle]

[main comet]

MAKE ASSEMBLE GREATE AGAIN!

I CANT SPEL

[vocal basin]

official C++ guidelines do state that you should be using a C++ compiler to compile C

@wise loom settings

[tight jungle]

@wise loom On dms

[vocal basin]

it got moved

and you got warned about it by discord itself multiple times

(if you were using desktop/web)

[vocal basin]

@wise loom it's there now

[tight jungle]

settings -> content and ...

[vocal basin]

for whatever reason

[tight jungle]

Oh yeah i just now noticed it. Discord ui is just getting blocky

[vocal basin]

it's been there for months from what I remember

[vocal basin]

popup has been appearing over and over

[haughty pier]

Make Python Great Again

[tight jungle]

I saw some flags Mr.NixOS

[vocal basin]

something and Gibraltar?

[wise loom]

I found it, it was in User Settings > Content & Social. That's where all blocked users are.

[vocal basin]

what is MP a regional code for

[tight jungle]

Told you @wise loom

[haughty pier]

yeah, they're regional indicators, put 🇲 🇵 🇬 🇦 together without spaces and they make 🇲🇵🇬🇦

[vocal basin]

ah nvm I was wrong

ga is Gabon

I've been visiting stack overflow less and less in the past years

@haughty pier

def gcd(a, b):
    raise NotImplementedError("closed as duplicate")

copilot soon

[tight jungle]

WTH lmao

[vocal basin]

I'm not currently able to style that properly

(line 2 is supposed to be grey and in italics)

everything after XP was a mistake clearly

@haughty pier restart explorer.exe

from task manager

or wherever

you need to kill it, then start it

task manager is the easiest option imo

now from the task manager start it

[tight jungle]

@haughty pier

def gcd(a, b):
     ***raise NotImplementedError("closed as duplicate")***

My bad

[vocal basin]

there is an option in the task manager's toolbar to do effectively ctrl+r

[tight jungle]

You cant I guess. Its afterall code, so you shouldnt be able to

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

should be able to view it if not on mobile

[haughty pier]

from __future__ import annotations # postponed evaluation of annotations

[vocal basin]

!e

from __future__ import braces

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1
002 |     from __future__ import braces
003 |                            ^^^^^^
004 | SyntaxError: not a chance

[vocal basin]

it used to be possible to enable both <> and !=

[tight jungle]

I dont understand

[haughty pier]

>>> from __future__ import annotations
>>>
>>> def foo(bar: does_not_exist_yet) -> Baz_not_implemented_yet:
...     return
...
>>>

[vocal basin]

<> is alternative syntax for inequality

[tight jungle]

Oh okay

[vocal basin]

Python 3 should not be able to support it

[tight jungle]

I think I saw this somewhere. I just dont remember

[vocal basin]

!d future

[wise cargo]

\_\_future\_\_

Source code: Lib/__future__.py

Imports of the form from __future__ import feature are called future statements. These are special-cased by the Python compiler to allow the use of new Python features in modules containing the future statement before the release in which the feature becomes standard.

While these future statements are given additional special meaning by the Python compiler, they are still executed like any other import statement and the __future__ exists and is handled by the import system the same way any other Python module would be. This design serves three purposes:

Similar names: term.__future__

[tight jungle]

These are special-cased by the Python compiler ?? to allow the use

Is this what you were mentioning earlier when you told python and C can be used together? @haughty pier

[vocal basin]

!e

from __future__ import barry_as_FLUFL
print(1 <> 2)

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2
002 |     print(1 <> 2)
003 |             ^^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[vocal basin]

grrr

[haughty pier]

no that's not it

[tight jungle]

I can hear you mr NixOS

[vocal basin]

I think it still works

just not in !e

I think it's repl only

[wise loom]

you need to use C and Python together?

[tight jungle]

Idk.

[vocal basin]

Python is, in a way, a framework for using C libraries

[tight jungle]

@haughty pier Can you elabroate on this?

Alright

[vocal basin]

a lot of code is either developed in C or has a C interface

however C is clumsy to compose

[tight jungle]

Hm

[vocal basin]

Python allows you to put a more strict interface around what those libraries do

at a performance cost

the main implementation of Python is written in C and has an extensive API for accessing language features from compiled code

(that way you can integrate C, Rust, Zig and whatever else)

@haughty pier which OOP?

Liskov didn't call it OOP

what she advocated for were abstract data types

[tight jungle]

Yeah, I know that so basically C and python are the same but python has some strict interface to compile C. So whatever we do in python is just api calls to C?

[vocal basin]

there are multiple options of linking C and Python together

[tight jungle]

Alright I see the limitations, Pythons only works if C has it.

I understand.

[vocal basin]

mostly split in two groups:

1. dynamically linking C libraries and using them directly
2. extension modules

[tight jungle]

Alright

[soft axle]

@vocal basin hii!

[tight jungle]

Whats so special about RUST?

Hm.
Memory safe!
C : Sure.

Python is advertised as "Programming language that is close to english"

Bye @cerulean ridge

[vocal basin]

what language would be otherwise? uiua?

though I guess uiua still retains some englishness

[tight jungle]

Ignore this message please

Every language is in english

[vocal basin]

ig 1С would be an exception

[tight jungle]

My bad, Assembly

[vocal basin]

mov sounds kind of like move

[vocal basin]

machine code

[tight jungle]

I was about to type it in

[vocal basin]

very APL-ish
https://www.uiua.org/tour

[tight jungle]

You guys have any experience working closely with gates and Machine code?

@haughty pier

[vocal basin]

mostly in simulated environments

[tight jungle]

Whats the story?

[wise loom]

the story?

[tight jungle]

I mean the story of getting into machine code and gates

[tight jungle]

WTH!!

[wise loom]

there are books, free and paid that talk about it

[tight jungle]

Hm

[vocal basin]

buy and play through the game called Turing Complete or some free web alternative whose name I forgot

[haughty pier]

How to get rich slowly, analysis with Python:

def future_value(payment, interest_rate, number_of_years):
    return payment * ((1+interest_rate)**number_of_years - 1)/interest_rate

>>> future_value(30_000, .05, 20)
991978.6230866533
>>> future_value(30_000, .06, 20)
1103567.736106424
>>> future_value(20_000, .06, 20)
735711.8240709493
>>> future_value(20_000, .08, 20)
915239.285962327
>>> future_value(22_000, .08, 20)
1006763.2145585597

So if you save 22k a year, invested in a diverse portfolio of market investments and bonds getting a return of about 8%, you'll be a millionaire in about 20 years.

[tight jungle]

@cerulean ridge

Is it easy to become a millionaire?

[vocal basin]

depends on the currency

[tight jungle]

22k is still a lot of money in Rupees

[vocal basin]

— almost rouble millionaire

[tight jungle]

Yeah definitely

[vocal basin]

@tepid edge what does the metaclass represent in your case?

yeah, that wouldn't be a Protocol

Protocol must not contain anything other than signatures

you must be able to duck type it

TypeScript's &, yeah

@tepid edge what external types do you need to represent?

ones you didn't write

which have the method

[tepid edge]

Subclass of QWidget which also has additional method x()

or let's say foo()

[vocal basin]

I'm trying to remember if I saw any solutions to that previously

[tepid edge]

when I tried asking llms a while back claude hallucinated & into the language

and I briefly believed it

[whole bear]

I got intel from KGB about Alisa Feistel!

[tepid edge]

I got intellij from jetbrains

[vocal basin]

you got spelling fixed before I could comment on it

[haughty pier]

did you discover they're a deep cover asset of Ukraine? 😛

[dry jasper]

intel is still better than amd

[tight jungle]

Alright guys I gotta run. It was nice talking with you all

[vocal basin]

KGBelarus

[whole bear]

Ukraine?
You mean russia?

[haughty pier]

ooh, double agent!

[vocal basin]

KGB is Belarusian

[dry jasper]

kgb was fsb

[haughty pier]

https://tenor.com/view/i-also-like-to-live-dangerously-danger-austin-powers-mike-myers-myers-gif-5571915

[vocal basin]

the other way

[tepid edge]

The real investigative journalism is in the python discord

[whole bear]

Intel told me she was born in year 2005

[tepid edge]

brb switching OS

[vocal basin]

that's the other Alisa

well that's no longer their main name either though

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[vocal basin]

(one of the other three)

[whole bear]

Who?

That was unexpected!

[haughty pier]

https://tenor.com/view/really-austin-powers-frau-gif-27389080

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-do-you-will-be-shot-lotte-lenya-rosa-klebb-daniela-bianchi-tatiana-romanova-gif-25194481

[vocal basin]

the KGBelarus lied to you

[whole bear]

He ain't lier

[wise loom]

I have 176 people in my block list on Discord.
The vast majority are from here and from a jobs Discord I left.

[whole bear]

He told me you are man disguised as woman online to lure the man to manipulate them for your secret plan to destroy Putin Regime!

[vocal basin]

KGBelarus on hard drugs

[haughty pier]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-homer-angry-homer-glasses-the-dad-who-knew-too-little-gif-761712625577211429

me reading chat

[whole bear]

hard vodka*

[dry jasper]

*homemade ethanol

[whole bear]

Drugs are for american!

[vocal basin]

while the previous guess I could trace to a specific source (a known actual manipulator), this time it's just some sort of bad trip hallucination type of story

also no idea where "lure the man" comes from

this fantasy does not align with the public profile lmao

[wise loom]

chatgpt maybe

a lot of things come from it lately

[whole bear]

Marita Lorenz is prime example of it!
Poor Fidel Castro!

[haughty pier]

They just put up a statue for Fidel in Moscow, didn't they

[whole bear]

He is legend

[vocal basin]

where in Moscow

ah, 2.5 years ago

[haughty pier]

https://archive.ph/sryRe

[whole bear]

ChatGPT is indeed biased towards women.
I think ChatGPT must be Simp disguised as AI

[vocal basin]

estimated $200'000 in cost

[whole bear]

@wise loom break;

[vocal basin]

goto;

great conference

terrible name

such a piece of troll naming

[whole bear]

name is illusion

[viscid merlin]

@vocal basin

can you give my fr

[vocal basin]

@viscid merlin I can hear you, and both other unmuted people

[viscid merlin]

to voice access

@raw swan

[vocal basin]

there are no mechanisms for skipping voice verification of someone else if that's what you're asking

[viscid merlin]

soo

what can she do ?

[vocal basin]

@raw swan for now, you can just participate in conversations using text

[haughty pier]

type here

[viscid merlin]

@raw swan

[whole bear]

I think she can!

#voice-verification

Maybe she has messages less than 50 in server?

[viscid merlin]

yes

@raw swan

[whole bear]

Nothing much can be done!
She can use voice chat text 0

[vocal basin]

also kind of unusual to guess so late given #voice-chat-text-0 message

[haughty pier]

Just seeing this, somehow I missed it earlier - you can connect a bluetooth keyboard and install a terminal emulator on your phone

[whole bear]

Damn she is 25

KGBelarus did mistake in his findings

[dry jasper]

https://youtu.be/-FaqC4h5Ftg

[whole bear]

Good AnimationS!

[haughty pier]

https://codereview.stackexchange.com/q/225556/23451

[vocal basin]

tempting move
but no

Elm is where large part of reactive programming in JS comes from iirc

the sane part

not the RxJS part

@haughty pier you can probably compute it a bit out-of-order

since it has effectively a speed of light limit on causality

time to outmatch those with negative score

@haughty pier do notation for monads

not a do monad

it's a syntax sugar for >>= and other things

btw there's a >>= token in Rust

and Python

... there is kind of nothing actually interesting about that fact, it's just a Haskell-related joke

it's just right-shift-assign

compound operator

however

in Rust it has more meanings

Rust and Python have no custom operators

a : Vec < Vec < i32 >>= Vec :: new ( ) ;

another case where it appears

yes

[vocal basin]

this tokenises differently:

a : Vec < Vec < i32 > > = Vec :: new ( ) ;

because tokeniser is not aware of the context

[whole bear]

Everything is illusion, eveything is based on perception!

Why not windows?

[vocal basin]

I'd rather never let Haskell exist anywhere outside a container

GHC is so giant
I prefer the option to nuke it in a single command without affecting the environment

I have Rust installed on-host on my laptop

save for Python via uv

but Haskell I wouldn't do that way

[haughty pier]

podman run -it ???

[vocal basin]

whatever works

I didn't say actually write Haskell anymore

I prefer isolated networking per environment

which is not default for NixOS afaik

running dozen separate postgreses without having to deal with separate IPs or ports

just being able to refer to them by host name

sqlx (Rust crate) is quite great

it will also kind of force you to learn how to start containerised services during builds if you ever do CI

[vocal basin]

it heavily relies on 10th thing from here https://12factor.net/

if you're brave enough if your production doesn't yet make sense to separate from dev environment (since no one relies on it), you can just point to it directly during compilation

[main comet]

OMG! DID SOMEBODY SAY HARDWARE STORE?

THEY GOT:
allen wrenchs
gerbal feeders
toilet seats
electric heaters
trash compacters
juice extractors
shower rod
water meters

[wind raptor]

Can you delete these?

This is spam and not relevant

[main comet]

I spent a lot of time thinking up all those things in addition to the origial lyrics >:(
i'll only delete it if you say please.

[haughty pier]

please do

[main comet]

i'm in danger

[wind raptor]

Thanks

[vocal basin]

you can always send it via !paste to take up less space

or put it as public GitHub gist so anyone can see

[main comet]

https://tenor.com/view/suzumiya-haruhi-kyon-computer-pc-angry-gif-16025560823063079503

[tepid edge]

I got intercepted by someone while restarting my pc

[wind raptor]

Nobody has said "hardware store" in this channel since 2023, so not sure why you even started that

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor
maybe very production

MVPMWP: mostly working => production

@cosmic bison just say it's AI who's typing

[wind raptor]

🌈 Agentic

[vocal basin]

@cosmic bison that whole description sounds very similar to where I work lol

just different domain

slightly

@wind raptor why is there a wiktionary entry on this

uh

how much do I make

@wind raptor pre-tax or post-tax

[wind raptor]

pre 😭

[vocal basin]

I have no idea what is the default assumption of that in NA

I only know what my salary is post-tax

$31'800 annually

approximately

idk what it ends up being an hour in my case

I have no idea how many hours I work for

I'm hired for results not hours

remember: if they mention XML, RUN

@wind raptor "the other" requirements

non-functional

my software passed at least one audit

@cosmic bison AWS VK Cloud

here they're mostly weapons now

[wind raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-roomba-gif-10891787

[vocal basin]

starting implementation of that plan in 2 days

oh wait no

3 days

I think

@main comet I never heard people say it's like copper

have we just exported all people who say that to America

everyone here says it's iron

[toxic meadow]

hey

[toxic meadow]

@vocal basin wassup

[vocal basin]

TeX mentioned

[toxic meadow]

goodnighty guys

[vocal basin]

and mispronounced

my current aliexpress homepage is the girliest its ever been

[toxic meadow]

alisa btw i was thinkin on starting my first project for ML can u suggest me one

obv tell me the one which i can make with least suffering

[vocal basin]

@main comet 15? more like 3

[toxic meadow]

plz drop suggestions guys

[vocal basin]

@main comet new name abbreviation

[vocal basin]

if there's Q, then likely Chinese

year, PRC

why is there a naval variant

why would you put an ICBM onto a car onto a ship when you can skip the intermediate step

or are they planning to drive them across the floor of the Taiwan Strait stealthily

no

psychopathy is a synonym to sociopathy

which would mean being incapable of empathy

generally not something that can be quickly decided over a conversation

@main comet just a computer, mostly

some extra unusual ports

also

another option is their microcontrollers

including RISC-V capable

@main comet micropython

rpi is either just a computer or just a microcontroller

microcontrollers are computers
just smaller, and generally more limited

[vocal basin]

I don't remember if it's only 0 which is a microcontroller

[still carbon]

Yes

May he

[gentle flint]

iirc it is

[vocal basin]

okay, correction, board with a microcontroller not microcontroller

[gentle flint]

oh wait

[vocal basin]

they do sell their compute thing itself to other vendors

[gentle flint]

the pi pico is a microcontroller

[vocal basin]

ah

yeah, right

[gentle flint]

the pi zero is a computer

just a very shitty one

[main comet]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DLNDY4V7?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

[vocal basin]

a whole 0.5GB RAM

[gentle flint]

which makes sense since I remembered running Debian on it

(with mixed success)

[still carbon]

You guys use a microcontroller for IOT?

[vocal basin]

computer

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/

and RISC-V https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico-2/

[still carbon]

I mean I pull off a Raspberry pi with ESP 32 does the job

[vocal basin]

@main comet those are different boards

[vocal basin]

rpi is expensive

[still carbon]

Certainly yes

You guys got your hands on B200s by Nvidia

[still carbon]

That rig was a beast running LLMs under 70B params like a joke with 20 toks inference

[vocal basin]

more than you think
I do not think therefore I do not am

[main comet]

https://www.falstad.com/antenna/

https://www.falstad.com/vector3dm/

[primal shadow]

!rule 9

[wise cargo]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[main comet]

https://www.falstad.com/emwave1/

[primal shadow]

SELECT 
     a.col_a,
     b.col_b,
--     c.col_c
FROM table_a a
JOIN table_b b
  ON b.id_a = a.id_a
WHERE thing
  AND other thing
  AND more

@viscid scaffold

[main comet]

py```@export var KEY_BIND_MSL := "key_1"
@export var KEY_BIND_SLOMO := "key_`"

@export_category("Advanced")
@export var UPDATE_PLAYER_ON_PHYS_STEP := true

var gravity = ProjectSettings.get_setting("physics/3d/default_gravity")
var speed = SPEED
var accel = ACCEL
var noclip_tog := false
var zoom_tog := false
var msl_follow_tog := false
var slomo_tog := false```

[primal shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SQL/comments/13vcecq/leading_or_trailing_commas_in_select_statements/

https://mode.com/blog/should-sql-queries-use-trailing-or-leading-commas

[main comet]

"antenna"

https://github.com/lgoodthrust/AI-audio-up-sampling-genoration

[main comet]

https://github.com/lgoodthrust/Guidance

[wind raptor]

!stream 702587538849923122

[wise cargo]

✅ @main comet can now stream until <t:1745447484:f>.

[vocal basin]

what about the commas-on-separate-lines style

column1
,
column2
,
column3

[main comet]

hmmm

[main comet]

Pees!

[uneven garden]

hey

hello

[primal shadow]

I don't knowe, but i found it very interesting that people who put the comma first make less mistakes.

[astral coral]

meow meow mfers

or python.f.ers

pythoneseians

pythonists

pythonlings

[vocal basin]

my hypothesis would be that it's more about "people who can choose a certain style do better than people who just do like everyone else", mostly because choosing a style requires some prior experience

[ivory flower]

Pi Pico 2 ? i am considering to get this for trying Cortex-M33 / ARMv8M (maybe run Linux if possible)

[vocal basin]

RISC-V support is kind of unusual

there do exist Linux-compatible RISC-V systems

but this one doesn't have enough memory

[ivory flower]

the datasheet describes 520kB SRAM (really not enough)
Pi OS (probably Raspbian) requires 256MB to boot (saw that from other discussion thread) 🤔

[ivory flower]

not sure whether it has this Hazard3 ,
Heterogeneous dual-core, interesting

[vocal basin]

that'd be

( column1
, column2
, column3
)

purple from #voice-chat-text-0 message

no one claims it was "invented"

[vocal basin]

also this joke style is completely irrelevant to what Haskell/Elm/etc. are styled as

And it’s not just because we haven’t discovered leading commas

the context was that people don't just avoid leading commas because they're unaware of that alternative style, but, instead, many abandon that style

the real issue imo is lack of support for final trailing commas

SQL has that because it's a syntactical nightmare

JSON has that because it attempts to be minimal

so neither allow ,)/,]/,}

[vocal basin]

between these two:

{
    "a": 1,
    "b": 2,
    "c": 3
}
``````py
{
    "a": 1,
    "b": 2,
    "c": 3,
}
```I'll always choose the second

between 1 and 3 I'd choose 3 too

being able to duplicate a line without breaking syntax is useful

[candid spire]

Hello 👋

[rugged root]

I'll be on after I'm done talking to vendors

It's been a very active morning

[haughty pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-prank-trick-cone-gif-3547064

[rugged root]

The guy with the mustache just looks so dead inside while he's doing that

[haughty pier]

Salespeople when you just want to cut to the chase and they want to give you the whole dog and pony show...

[rugged root]

I've been to hibachi places like that too

"How many more times am I going to have a little volcano out of onion slices..."

[candid spire]

F number why number have so many types

[unique wyvern]

https://github.com/salt-die/truth_tables

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Backus–Naur_form

[short owl]

thats a nifty little process viewer @unique wyvern

[unique wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkyQ45BmAY

https://mcell.ca/app/

[upper basin]

Karl Sims

[unique wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP5-iIeKXE8

[toxic meadow]

btw @verbal wharf sorry for ping but can u tell me something i have a question

@jaunty falcon

can u help?

i had a error once

in my friends pc

i did everything but

cant fix it

it said couldnt build wheel

tenserflow

same happened with other libs also

he told me

not every like pandas was just fine

btw what u guys expert in?

still like ur field

what u like the most

yea

codin

beautifulsoup

oh

[jaunty falcon]

https://www.tensorflow.org/install/pip#software_requirements

[toxic meadow]

its okay

i wanna do 2 things but confused as hell

like i cant manage them both

i wanna learn 2 things

but im havin a hard time managing those

no resources

no time

yea i do

but my speaking skills are bad ngl

im at that point where i can write ,understand but have a hard time speaking

like i stutter a lot

my accent is not very clear to people tbh so most of words u wont gonna get it

xD

text is just better

afk may be?

dsa and ML

same

now i wasted a lotta time

35?

[verbal wharf]

Yup

[main comet]

somthings telling me this isnt going to end well

[primal shadow]

Something tells me it (could have) ended before it began

[somber heath]

@forest bane 👋

[forest bane]

Hello my brother

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[forest bane]

I don't complete the condition for use voice

[austere hornet]

Hello Opal

🚣

How is everyone?

Outing?

Ohh... Hope she's okay

[forest bane]

Opal you know someone professional in python?

I want to create a boot for automation site web

Boot wait for the appointment open when opening they booking it

[somber heath]

@bronze cliff 👋

[somber heath]

Website. Appointment. Scheduling. Yes?

#databases #web-development

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[forest bane]

Yes like that bro

[somber heath]

See: Django, Flask, FastAPI.

Do not ask me. I know little.