voice-chat-text-0

[rugged root]

But it does feel right in the places I've been using it

[primal shadow]

Breathe the mold

Be the mold.

[austere hornet]

semi-colons are supposed to seperate two clauses(?) that are sorta related

[gentle flint]

i am spore

[austere hornet]

In place of a . or a conjunction(?)

[vocal basin]

we have snow

[rugged root]

I need to read the rules for it again

I'm positive I'm doing it wrong

[austere hornet]

or you can just use semicolons when listing for aesthetic purposes

[rugged root]

If you're listing anything it needs to be a colon

[vocal basin]

; is just a less sentence-splitting ., otherwise they're the same

[austere hornet]

Mainly for separating two tangentially related clauses

[austere hornet]

No as in a, b and c; d, e and f; g, h and i;...

[vocal basin]

... unless : is involved

[stuck furnace]

mole grips

[vocal basin]

in which case whether : covers until the ; or . depends on the context

[austere hornet]

Basically, you can use semicolons to seperate lists from lists in a list to make it more aesthetically appealing/easier on the human eye

idk if that makes sense

[primal shadow]

Why are we playing with locking pliers?

[vocal basin]

sentence: sentence; sentence.
sentence: non-sentence, non-sentence.

one of options

[austere hornet]

oh yea

that's more correct

[austere hornet]

Grammar is too confusing

[vocal basin]

I don't normally use . in most media;
in which case I do the following:
sentence;
sentence;

and once the list is done, an extra line to separate

[austere hornet]

I too am now doubting my use of the semicolon

[vocal basin]

I'm confident enough in the ways I "misuse" the language

it's the language's issue not mine

I know how to use Russian and English grammatically correctly, but I deliberately opt out of it at times

[austere hornet]

lol

16 minutes till midnight

cya milien

[austere hornet]

Wow

[vocal basin]

@rugged root

[austere hornet]

I love word things

[austere hornet]

You guys should watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn7ZaT3AgoU

Misnomers are cool, tangentially related to this conversation

If you think about them, misnomers are almost like the opposite of an inaptonym

[primal shadow]

I wonder how many people called Guy are a guy

[whole bear]

most

since its a guy name right

[primal shadow]

I want like a specific figure

[whole bear]

hahaha

[austere hornet]

tsk tsk tsk

I'd like to take my chances

Play a game with fate

I'm lucky enough

Successfully flushing outhouses?!

[vocal basin]

outhouses are covariant and inhouses are contravariant

[austere hornet]

Aussie outhouses don't have anything I don't think

math?!

I hear math

[primal shadow]

I know arithmetic

[rugged root]

Math, not even once

[vocal basin]

im math

[primal shadow]

XYZ

[austere hornet]

classic outhouse

[vocal basin]

as opposed to baroque one

[austere hornet]

I remember seeing a huge wasp while trying to do my business during a school camp

trig?

I can handle basic trig

[vocal basin]

I somewhat don't want to deal with math right now
wait a few weeks

use quaternions

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/nUrzQ7NwQmj.gif

If only it were a drill bit

Those schematics, comin right up

[austere hornet]

@vocal basin Is this a correct use of the semicolon? It feels wrong...

This letter opens a window to a significant view the Australian soldiers held during the war; the futility of war was a lingering idea shared amongst most Australians.

[vocal basin]

this looks like a : case

or --

[austere hornet]

mhm

ok

thanks!

[vocal basin]

because it's linking significant <...> during the war and the futility <...> most Australians
not This letter <...> the war and the futility <...> most Australians

in Russian I'd normally use -- there

[austere hornet]

ahh yea

one of — right

[teal crystal]

finally robyn's ci problem solved, after wasting 2 days in just simple basic thing in which it just needs to bundle multiple files in one 🥲

[sly spade]

hi

[primal shadow]

hello

[whole bear]

anyone join me in voice

[rustic pendant]

Good afternoon

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[ivory stump]

I was gonna reply to this and then work came up, sry. I'm good, long time no see :)

Still playing chess?

[whole bear]

No worries

[whole bear]

Yes but I fell off

[whole bear]

DM?

[ivory stump]

Eh I tend to keep things on server

[whole bear]

Are you able to Vc?

[ivory stump]

Not rn unfortunately

[robust oasis]

!e num = 1.0 num += 0.1 num += 0.1 num += 0.1 num += 0.1 print(num)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

1.4000000000000004

[robust oasis]

For this module, you are to work together on developing this project. On the Discussion Board, discuss problems, difficulties, solutions, helpful resources, etc. This is a work-together type project, as you are allowed to share code snipets, images, etc.

[scarlet siren]

@sweet saffron bro laugh at his own jokes

[somber heath]

Hoy.

[brisk bridge]

hi

[somber heath]

Hey, AF.

[vocal basin]

the effects of 12-day-nonstop coding are starting set in
(I'm either tired or bored, not yet sure which)

[somber heath]

@desert peak 👋

[desert peak]

👍

[vocal basin]

what a giant executable file

[somber heath]

@atomic gust Pardon?

[atomic gust]

it was a song verse

danza kuduro

[somber heath]

Is the second verse the same as the first?

[atomic gust]

no that was me trying to improvise

sounded like i got a hearth attack didn't it

[somber heath]

No. It sounded like you were saying something either to yourself or to someone else, but it wasn't clear to me what that something was.

[atomic gust]

yea iknow, my singing voice is work in progress haha

i tried too like you know keep up with the song without knowing the lyrics so i just litteraly improvised

that's why i sounded like a t-rex

[somber heath]

It didn't sound like amorous penguins.

Which is, as I understand it, a considerable component of the t-rex sounds from the Jurassic Park movies.

[atomic gust]

you caught me, perhaps it was more like a Woolly mammoths

[somber heath]

Which I expect would sound more or less like an elephant with a beard.

[atomic gust]

im a ginger tho what can i say. im unique

[whole bear]

@somber heath hi 👋🏻

[somber heath]

Insomuch as every person is unique in their own way, gingers aren't unique.

Frieren.

[vocal basin]

why is it so difficult to find theme settings in pgadmin

[austere hornet]

[vocal basin]

it's so obviously the first thing that needs changing yet it's, like, 3-4 menus deep

[atomic gust]

you are 110% correct, each person is unique in their own way, but ginger ain't got a soul, and alot of people do. im soulesss OpalMist 😦

nah im joking

[vocal basin]

also cut out by the default window height

[somber heath]

I agree that gingers don't have souls, in much the same way that I don't believe anyone has a soul, really.

[atomic gust]

good point, mysterious world we live in

[somber heath]

At least not in any metaphysical, spiritual sense.

[atomic gust]

what if i told you back in the stone age i would watch you dance on a screen, you would think i was crazy right

[somber heath]

In a poetic, emotional sense, sure.

[vocal basin]

the machine does

I still have not read that book somehow

I probably should

[somber heath]

It's kind of like with trees. Over time, trees grow a soul for themselves.

Just not really.

[vocal basin]

I think using it as just a metaphorical thing is fine

[urban abyss]

I've had to go from running my CI pipeline on a single machine to having to work out how to manage passing data/packages back and forth in the Gitlab CI "every job is its own environment" style and it's been an absolute nightmare to say the least 😭

[vocal basin]

like here

[urban abyss]

We had a pretty big cache previously ~ 20GB which now takes longer to store and extract than building everything fresh takes

[atomic gust]

Well we do live in a world where irl we fight eachother too **** but in ingame we play together against a random enemy team. so nothing really suprise me anymore

[vocal basin]

the nighmares of actions/download-release/actions/download-artifact (if it was GitHub not GitLab)

iirc those two literally just forever-retry

until timeout

which they aren't aware of

so to them it's forever

[urban abyss]

Not sure how GH Actions deals with it, but GitLab's artifacts is so restricte e.g. no artifacts over 1GB. Which means to pass built packages to Docker build steps down the line I need to instead cache a load of packages and extract them later

[urban abyss]

oh jesus

[vocal basin]

iirc GH, for free users, limits it to something like 500MB total

[urban abyss]

We're on the top subscription and 1GB is still the limit

[vocal basin]

so, like, you compile an upload one Rust binary as debug instead of release and your credit is gone already

[somber heath]

@meager fern 👋

[urban abyss]

You also can't have more than 4 distinct caches 😖

[vocal basin]

I use Forgejo Actions for anything serious/compute heavy

[meager fern]

@somber heath hello

[vocal basin]

so I get to have my own several-terabytes-available cache and artifact storage

[somber heath]

What a two bit excuse for a setup...

[noble vortex]

Why is everyone muted

Why be in a vc if everyone is muted

[urban abyss]

Jealous, that's probablyt something I could do but I'd have to convince the platforms team and then Terraform it up

[vocal basin]

not anymore

[brisk bridge]

hi @wind raptor

[vocal basin]

also people aren't constantly muted

[somber heath]

I often talk, however, I'm currently where I don't want to talk. I don't want to disturb people. It's night.

[vocal basin]

just because someone who was speaking left, doesn't mean others who aren't speaking have to leave

[urban abyss]

We migrated from Jenkins, which was awful, but at least its quirks had been ironed out for us. GitLab CI has dozens of common-to-other-solutions feature requests that just sit there in their repo

[vocal basin]

you can self-deploy GitLab and adjust the limits

(if you're willing to deal with having to maintain it)

[urban abyss]

Hmm, that might be what we end up doing in future. We do maintain our own runners/resources afaiu, just not the CI server

[vocal basin]

I like Actions' model for how it decouples the Git part and Actions part very explicitly

if I had foreign money I would try using this: https://www.blacksmith.sh/

though I'm actually more interested in making things like that

[atomic gust]

ÅÆØ

[wind raptor]

Good seeing you @somber heath 😄

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/weights-lifting-workout-steroids-strongman-gif-16246290

Strongman suit.

Gotta dig the leotard.

Then leotard dig into you.

[atomic gust]

lost my battery on headset and the input is destroyed so it has to lay perfect too charge..

[somber heath]

I'm familiar with similar issues.

[atomic gust]

yea i should buy a new headset, cause i only charge it 5 minutes a time and its starts too annoy me

[somber heath]

One of my previous phones died a death along those lines.

[somber heath]

The charge port came loose and the battery started to undervolt on its output and wouldn't hold a charge.

[atomic gust]

its the input on headset not charger xD

Yea very common thing with chargers. prbly a reason for it tho, so people buy a charger more often. the companies have 2 tricks, battery life time and cheap cabels

[wise loom]

@vocal basin what’s up?

[vocal basin]

something broke in docker again

as usual, likely DNS issues

(since compose is one big pile of DNS issues in general)

[inner hill]

hi\

any one here

[vocal basin]

somewhat

[somber heath]

People wait precisely long enough for me to grab my phone and unlock it and navigate to the user list.

That's when they leave.

Not every time.

But often.

Hey, Millen.

[whole bear]

@peak depotHey

[somber heath]

Well, everyone else is, I thought I'd get in on the action

I only saw the borbs, today.

[whole bear]

Hey opal how are you?

Yo milien do you like my pfp?

[brisk bridge]

i fk up my project by upgrading my whole project to beta forgot to make git 😭

[vocal basin]

it's still snowing

April moment

[somber heath]

I gathered from the ono.

[brisk bridge]

bye pepebye

[somber heath]

If there's an opportunity to name a quay, I wonder if Ssh would be acceptable.

We could have Ssh quay.

@soft shoal 👋

Hello hello.

@woven lichen 👋

@round topaz 👋

[woven lichen]

@somber heath Supp!!

[somber heath]

Howdy again.

Just...I don't know. Decaying, I suppose.

[worthy timber]

File "c:\Users\dont1\OneDrive\Desktop\youtube\upload_video.py", line 213
argparser.add_argument("--file", required=True, help="Video file to upload" , default="C:\Users\dont1\Downloads")
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SyntaxError: (unicode error) 'unicodeescape' codec can't decode bytes in position 2-3: truncated \UXXXXXXXX escape

what is this error

[vocal basin]

use r-strings

!e

print(r"a\bc")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

a\bc

[vocal basin]

!e

print("a\bc")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

ac

[vocal basin]

this preserves all \s

[vocal basin]

this interprets them as escape characters

[worthy timber]

can you help my error

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

\Users gets interpreted as an escape sequence

because of \

r before " prevents that

[jade mountain]

@somber heath

[somber heath]

Hello, Jatty.

Someone has been busy.

[jade mountain]

8 terabytes left to go

[somber heath]

@maiden light 👋

[maiden light]

Hello

[somber heath]

@pliant girder 👋

[pliant girder]

hey

[somber heath]

Zakitty Zak Zak.

Maybe you should stop spilling coffee on it.

Typo

Glide typing is really great, but occasionally it's Doug.

*Stupid.

@minor flame 👋

Concatenation.

I laughed.

[whole bear]

@rugged rootYo

[whole bear]

Good hbu?

Been a while

@rugged rootHow are you Hemlock?

[rugged root]

I'm alright. Busy busy, stressed stressed, but that's just how it is

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/zapp-brannigan-cham-paggin-champagne-gif-14294251

[whole bear]

@peak depotHave you watched Dandadan?

Anime

[somber heath]

Tarrega gran vals.

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/mari945-dandadan-anime-dancing-momo-ayase-anime-girl-gif-3045191478366152274

@peak depotHow is life?

[somber heath]

Gabberflasted.

[astral coral]

exactly

[whole bear]

How's college?

@rugged rootHow's the wife?

Joey is your wife's name right?

[rugged root]

Joi but pronounced like Joey, ye

[whole bear]

Reminds me boi

Not making fun of her anything

[somber heath]

Banana terracotta pie.

[whole bear]

Missed this ngl

[somber heath]

What's involved in maintaining a sauna?

[whole bear]

Ttyl

[somber heath]

Keeping it dry when it's not in use?

[vocal basin]

✨web
-# design ✨

can you select and copy it?

does it have extra spaces?

(after copying)

[rugged root]

USD65/Monthly

[vocal basin]

ah

. is gone

@rugged root at least that's not a sound of me yawning, though that's more of a sonic weapon rather than cringe

kilohertz yawn

[rugged root]

@waxen saffron @umbral cosmos Yo to you both

[somber heath]

Hug their...brand?

Sttssssss! Ahhh...the warmth of friendship.

https://tenor.com/view/walk-the-dinosaur-was-not-was-boom-boom-acka-lacka-lacka-boom-dance-gif-18688050

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/o3zG.gif

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-sax-squirtle-epic-sax-gif-9114541324807947557

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/chika-fujiwara-gif-5500695123592196704

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fish-talking-gif-16269671302634281143

[vocal basin]

(returning the earlier discussion of funny voices)
I should practice the "I've been smoking for 80 years" voice more

as for keyboards, I still want a stenotype

@wind raptor cope-and-seethe-gen

[tacit crane]

https://www.amazon.com/EPOMAKER-Mechanical-Swappable-Five-Layer-Bluetooth/dp/B0CNT61VMZ?th=1

[vocal basin]

there's a steno/qwerty hybrid I tried to buy

but it was out of stock

[whole bear]

I'd like to ask question

[somber heath]

I see a few modes on mine.

I also had to install the right driver to get mic working on desktop.

[somber heath]

On that mode, the mic sounds okay enough, but there is a noticeable difference to how things sound through the speakers of the headphones depending on if it's on a dedicated headphone mode or a duplex mode.

[somber heath]

There are also a few different codec modes for things which can affect the quality.

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/dpmHyKIRnRR.gif

The economy

[whole bear]

@tacit craneYo bro wanna chess?

[whole bear]

While trying to format my USB drive on Linux, I accidentally formatted my main SSD instead.

Balena Etcher was running in the background with an ISO already selected. Somehow, I managed to select the USB drive for flashing, and now it’s flashing the ISO. However, I can't minimize, maximize, or interact with any other part of the system only Balena Etcher is responsive in Zorin OS.

[tacit crane]

working bro

[whole bear]

Why and how?

Am I cooked?

[vocal basin]

likely

Balena Etcher warns when you do that when it can

I've seen rm -fr / happen before

sounds similar

[vocal basin]

someone in RPLCS streamed that

twice

[rugged root]

Genuinely thought this was a joystick for a second:

[vocal basin]

imagine if antennas on old phones also functioned as joystick-ish input devices

[rugged root]

HA

[vocal basin]

Voice vOice voIce Phone

[whole bear]

I think damage has been done!
No other option but to flash USB with Image on Different System.

[vocal basin]

@peak depot reptile people

clearly

is Ericsson Sweden or Finland?

I think Sweden

that part of Europe seems to be doing a lot of telephony

[whole bear]

Rules are for peasants, privilege is for the elite!

[vocal basin]

@peak depot I misheard "made up" as "Madoff"

tbf not much different

[rugged root]

Yeah that's about the same

[vocal basin]

re-runs of Madoff?
oh wait no

[whole bear]

83% tariff on Chena, 90% on US by Chena.
India, sar we did what you wanted, please sar please pardon the tariff.

My country has become sheep!

[vocal basin]

@rugged root ChatGPT, fix the engine

I wonder how much damage ChatGPT can do to a car if you trust it enough

[rugged root]

Enough

[vocal basin]

especially given how it likely has anarchist cookbook in its training set

it might mistake that for maintenance advice who knows

[somber heath]

Hot enough.

[whole bear]

India can't retaliate, in fact it lowered the tariff on American goods before trump got elected.

Because the Indian government knows, if trump went full on with India, the IT sector would be destroyed and the majority of India's export would be evaporated.

We are sheeps

[somber heath]

I've seen water explode in a fireball.

Water in baggie, baggie on the end of a long stick, long stick held over hot fire, KAWOOSH.

https://tenor.com/view/alex-trebek-jeopardy-clapping-applause-trebek-gif-5623071573549301664

The water vapour.

What is water?

Hydrogen. Oxygen.

What does fire love?

Energy.

I didn't say campfire

It was a great big bonfire.

Unless I've been mistaken and it was petrol and not water.

But I think it was water.

[vocal basin]

famous fluorine bonfires

[somber heath]

No ta.

[vocal basin]

was it FCl that burned through 60cm of concrete?

I showed that article to you

[edgy edge]

@rugged root hi

[vocal basin]

or like FCl3

I don't remember exact

[edgy edge]

i hope you..

live

[vocal basin]

In one particular industrial accident, a spill of 900 kg of ClF3 burned through 30 cm of concrete and 90 cm of gravel beneath.

[edgy edge]

dude, why can't I ping everyone when I can't even ping everyone when I dont even have the perms to ping everyone

dayum, that is too much yap as I expected

[vocal basin]

mostly at everyone is used for spam

that's why the filter

[edgy edge]

ok

[vocal basin]

I think I've seen exactly user from here IRL

[edgy edge]

@peak depot lemme eat your birthday cake

or your cat

[whole bear]

Cat food!

[edgy edge]

nope i want to eat the cat and not the cat food

[vocal basin]

@rugged root self-referential emoji

[rugged root]

HA

Okay, regular users can't and shouldn't

[vocal basin]

it's disabled for everyone below admin, right?

except staff channels

[edgy edge]

cat breast has 65 grams of protein

[somber heath]

Cats aren't fond of citronella.

[whole bear]

And 101 fatal infection

[edgy edge]

unless cooked correctly

[rugged root]

Same with mosquitos

[vocal basin]

at least as far as I know

[edgy edge]

@peak depot lemme eat your cat, I'll use it to become buff

[peak depot]

@rugged root plz

[edgy edge]

so your saying @rugged root should eat your cat aswell?

[whole bear]

In Northeast India I've seen a head of cats, dogs, goats, etc for sale.

You can eat as much as you want, it's haven for a cat eater

[edgy edge]

i want to eat a water bottle cap

got that for sale?

@obsidian dragon there is no conversation

@peak depot is your cat electronic?

[rugged root]

So... do you just not learn from previous infractions or...

[edgy edge]

hmm what?

@obsidian dragon who wants to try a tazer?

[whole bear]

It's a great idea to start with a small bottle cap.

Almost every dustbin has it for free

[edgy edge]

I never had fractions for literally eating random shit

[edgy edge]

.... i'll eat the dustbin instead

[vocal basin]

Milien has explicitly expressed that she does not like discussions involving harming cats

[edgy edge]

she never said

[vocal basin]

she did. multiple times.

[edgy edge]

fine then i wont eat @peak depot's cat

what about a dustbin

[whole bear]

Damn!

[obsidian dragon]

Pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium)

[whole bear]

Dude why?

[edgy edge]

where is the nearest dustbin i can eat

near me

[somber heath]

The bin or the contents?

[edgy edge]

the bin with the contents

[somber heath]

Wholemeal.

[edgy edge]

we dont need a dustbin truck when they have me

[haughty pier]

I had this one but with a typo so this is an upgrade, thx

[edgy edge]

may I eat that dustbin then?

guys should I eat the "APP" tag in @rapid crown

looks pretty tasty

[somber heath]

@astral coral Don't burn bridges?

[edgy edge]

@rugged root mind sending me money, i need to eat that money too

[somber heath]

You can remind them without making it impossible to borrow from them in the future.

[vocal basin]

!warn 956167389010075678 lying that another user never expressed their discontent about certain topic and then switching to claiming that you're "deaf" (jokingly or not) is not appropriate

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @edgy edge.

[vocal basin]

just so this is on record

[haughty pier]

$ python
Python 3.12.8 (main, Dec  3 2024, 18:42:41) [GCC 13.3.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from __future__ import braces
  File "<stdin>", line 1
SyntaxError: not a chance
>>> from __future__ import braces
  File "<stdin>", line 1
SyntaxError: not a chance

[edgy edge]

lmao, i never lied when i never heard...

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message

[edgy edge]

and being deaf jokingly isn't inappropriate

[edgy edge]

and as I said, I never heard

[somber heath]

I get that it's a joke, but why syntax error, because it's not.

[vocal basin]

that's not what you said

[edgy edge]

it's common sense that I didn't hear it

omg

[somber heath]

bbiab

[vocal basin]

if you have any further questions about moderation, DM @rapid crown

[edgy edge]

@dry jasper is your dog poisonous?

[obsidian dragon]

Venomous

[edgy edge]

poisonous?

[obsidian dragon]

incorrect

[edgy edge]

correct?

i like chickens

taste nice

chicken tenders

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

ee yap

[vocal basin]

@peak depot the sequel

Finland 3

[edgy edge]

BOO YA

[vocal basin]

don't ask where the 2 is

[edgy edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fellagante-monster-hunter-gif-682066262595319035

@peak depot do u like this cat above

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-cat-dance-cute-cat-dance-ai-cat-gif-15064057413633942575

this is my cat dancing

@astral coral bye

@peak depot what did i do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275358278380945481/1280581985168785449/uncaption.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1029681758087680012/1315993353543876628/noted.gif

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-hired-cat-stare-i-have-hired-this-to-stare-at-you-gif-14307987477234352092

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/689197706169942135/1136445025048330331/gato.gif

i aint even spamming gifs

oml

just speaking with gifs

[vocal basin]

@peak depot context-dependent, but mostly yes

[edgy edge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-cat-explosion-gif-17905284344545073180

[vocal basin]

@peak depot that's why it's Kiwiland

and AU is Emutopia

[edgy edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-cat-meme-cat-memes-cat-meme-template-gif-25000906

[vocal basin]

@edgy edge I think by people calling this "gif spamming" it was very clearly established that you should stop doing it

[edgy edge]

not in the rules about spamming :D

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/476225287953055745/1148995391778459688/togif.gif

perfect width oml

no one chats in #voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

!rule 1

[wise cargo]

Rules

1. Follow the Python Discord Code of Conduct.

[somber heath]

@left ore 👋

[vocal basin]

and now that they're gone, we can do so

[amber raptor]

I’m happy

Just sad I didn’t see the ban

I WANT TO SEE THE PUBLIC ROASTING

That's why you keep turning down my mod application, my judgement

everyone is example

[obsidian dragon]

Failed to load cog cogs.music.controls: Extension 'cogs.music.controls' raised an cog_manager.py:24
error: TypeError: cogs must derive from Cog

[vocal basin]

Charlie for mod 2028

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/oY33.gif

[amber raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-please-excited-yas-chris-pratt-christopher-michael-pratt-gif-15091830

I can write appeal, "Appeal denied, why? Because we hate you."

[whole bear]

It's not about age, it's about time.
He has plenty of time to waste

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/YCot.gif

[amber raptor]

Also, all Mod Mail appeals requires Tariff form TPS-545 be filled out. If you are from United States, reciprocal appeal fee 32% will be applied.

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor so higher tariffs then?

[amber raptor]

Your icon was once green, therefore, it was a GreenServer and therefore now ours

[vocal basin]

❌ income taxes
✅ income tariffs

[whole bear]

Is there a way to boot from phone?
At the moment, I don't have a USB with OS to boot from.

Is there a way to boot using the phone without compromising the phone and it's data

[amber raptor]

If phone will show up as USB Data Device, then yes

you will probably have to put right files in certain places

[whole bear]

Hmm

[amber raptor]

There might be app out there to do that

Android Only, iPhone likely not

[whole bear]

Let me check it out

[amber raptor]

Depends on BIOS as well, my bios doesn't require special formated USB, you can select ISO file

[rugged root]

Such a good game

[vocal basin]

"TFTP is <1000 port, cannot PXE boot the laptop unless the phone is rooted"

(about binding ports)

[whole bear]

Is it compatible?

Okay

[vocal basin]

yeah, we can't guide you through, it's easier to look up stuff yourself and try

[whole bear]

Let's see!

[vocal basin]

last time I had to debug a boot error in bios, it was basically undebuggable

because, yes, BIOS doesn't understand when you put m.2 sata where it expects an nvme

just assume m.2 sata is dead

nvme is the proper m.2 interface

sata is the big one

@wind raptor postmodern

it's so clearly looking as something not meant for watchability quality lol

pre-order rent

capitalism 📈

[amber raptor]

Pre Order Digital Movie because you know, they might run out of digital copies

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/melken-marco-kraats-milking-gif-13621530

[rugged root]

My favorite is still Ghost Protocol

[slender sierra]

Hi🙂

[rugged root]

How've you been

[whole bear]

Did not worked

[whole bear]

CowOS

Battery = grass

Apps = milk

[rugged root]

Combine that with Gateway Computers

Boom

All cow

It's interesting to me how quickly address look ups can populate so quickly

[cosmic bison]

I feel like I've written too much python?

[rugged root]

No such thing

Oh god

No

Why

Abbs, come on

[cosmic bison]

it all makes sense

for the most part

[rugged root]

It does make sense

But that just feels so icky

[cosmic bison]

I'm sorry that geojson has absurd amounts of nested lists

not my fault

I needed a 5 line solution

I could make it one line tho, if I'm evil

ternary would go crazy

[rugged root]

Why did you need a 5 line?

[cosmic bison]

funny

and lazy

[rugged root]

Future you is going to be like wtf

[cosmic bison]

oh for sure, but that lady is a bitch, so its fine

[vocal basin]

!d itertools.chain.from_iterable

[wise cargo]

itertools.chain.from\_iterable

classmethod chain.from_iterable(iterable)```
Alternate constructor for [`chain()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/itertools.html#itertools.chain). Gets chained inputs from a single iterable argument that is evaluated lazily. Roughly equivalent to:

```py
def from_iterable(iterables):
    # chain.from_iterable(['ABC', 'DEF']) → A B C D E F
    for iterable in iterables:
        yield from iterable

[vocal basin]

adjacently related

[cosmic bison]

would it do what I wanted?

[vocal basin]

if you're willing to go the insane map/itertools route

[vocal basin]

unlikely

[cosmic bison]

damn

[rugged root]

map was the first thing that jumped to mind

[cosmic bison]

my thing here has arbitrary nesting... which is annoying

[vocal basin]

I recommend properly typing the list, possibly with generics or overloads

[rugged root]

If only those made a performance difference...

[vocal basin]

it will force the implementation/logic to be clearer

[rugged root]

Or runtime enforcement

[vocal basin]

do you have tests for this code?

that it needs to pass

to give examples of the behaviour

[cosmic bison]

I don't know if I have generics in the version of python I am forced to use for this project

or well, not the nice ones

idk

[rugged root]

Which version?

[cosmic bison]

3.12 iirc

I thought it was a 3.13 thing?

[vocal basin]

!d typing.Generic

[wise cargo]

typing.Generic

class typing.Generic```
Abstract base class for generic types.

A generic type is typically declared by adding a list of type parameters after the class name...

[cosmic bison]

explode

[vocal basin]

3.5 I think

yeah

[cosmic bison]

[[x,y], ...] -> [[x,y], ...]
[[[x,y], ...], ...] -> [[x,y], ...]
[[[[x,y], ...], ...], ...] -> [[x,y], ...]
etc...

regardless of the nesting level, I still always get a flattened coordinate list

geojson spec is kinda crazy

[rugged root]

I'd worry about stack limit

[vocal basin]

ah

[cosmic bison]

eh.... it will be fine?

[vocal basin]

recursive flatten to list[tuple[Real, Real]]

[cosmic bison]

yeah

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hurricane-winds-storm-windy-hurricane-gif-14925100

[vocal basin]

I really did just write return =

from what language

[somber heath]

I was doing {'key' = 'value', ...} the other day.

[rugged root]

If you did result = that'd be Nim

[vocal basin]

wait no not real

!d numbers.Real

[wise cargo]

numbers.Real

class numbers.Real```
To [`Complex`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/numbers.html#numbers.Complex), `Real` adds the operations that work on real numbers.

In short, those are: a conversion to [`float`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#float), [`math.trunc()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html#math.trunc), [`round()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#round), [`math.floor()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html#math.floor), [`math.ceil()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html#math.ceil), [`divmod()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#divmod), `//`, `%`, `<`, `<=`, `>`, and `>=`.

Real also provides defaults for [`complex()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#complex), [`real`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/numbers.html#numbers.Complex.real), [`imag`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/numbers.html#numbers.Complex.imag), and [`conjugate()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/numbers.html#numbers.Complex.conjugate).

[vocal basin]

anyway

I'll just Union

or |

[rugged root]

Pipes

Pipes for days

[vocal basin]

-- not an Amazon employee

[rugged root]

The sad is real

[urban abyss]

HA

[olive hedge]

https://interestingengineering.com/science/quantum-internet-closer-reality?group=test_a

[vocal basin]

@rugged root no

it's not transferring anything faster than light

[astral coral]

@somber heath you not tired?

[vocal basin]

@olive hedge you are sending photons or bunches of them

the important part is how they're polarised

[somber heath]

Yes, but people.

[urban abyss]

Only now checking out the new interactive REPL. Doesn't even have intellisense 🤷‍♂️

[astral coral]

ahahahahahah fair enough man

[vocal basin]

regular wires are speed of light too

or nearly so

[somber heath]

Also, today was an anxiety day.

[rugged root]

Still pretty cool. But yeah, ipython is still superior

[somber heath]

So I'm still a bit ampy.

[vocal basin]

@mortal crystal it's not movement

it's not meaningful to call space expansion movement

[olive hedge]

Relevant vsauce video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTvcpdfGUtQ

[vocal basin]

from typing import Iterable, TypeAlias

CoordPair = tuple[int | float, int | float]
CoordPairInput = Iterable[int | float]
Flattenable: TypeAlias = Iterable[CoordPairInput | "Flattenable"]


def flatten(it: Flattenable) -> list[CoordPair]:
    stack: Flattenable = list(it)
    flattened: list[CoordPair] = []
    while stack:
        popped = stack.pop()
        match popped:
            case [int() | float() as x, int() | float() as y]:
                flattened.append((x, y))
            case _:
                for sub in popped:
                    match sub:
                        case int() | float():
                            raise ValueError("type issue")
                        case list():
                            stack.append(sub)
    flattened.reverse()
    return flattened

me when overengineering

[urban abyss]

Yarp. It is somewhat frustrating when you think a PEP has allowed a bit of catch-up only for it to still be behind the curve. I guess that's the thing with changes governed by a council tbf

[rugged root]

For sure

[urban abyss]

            case [int() | float() as x, int() | float() as y]:

The hell is this? Is it equivalent to if int(value): return int(value etc. ?

Or a try/catch rather than if actually

If can be type converted

[vocal basin]

by the wait, this fails if you pass iterators in

[vocal basin]

isinstance

[vocal basin]

this is clearly not physics, and I don't like philosophy

[cosmic bison]

Stack based solutions? In this economy? get out of here

[vocal basin]

it's a stack either way

[urban abyss]

Ohhh so it is. I've not seen that syntax before. Huh. I haven't actually used the switch statement yet tbf

[mortal crystal]

It is, that's why you can calculate the Hubble velocity.

[whole bear]

China has the best chinese food, I wonder how 🤔?

[dry jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-derulo-music-video-sing-gif-15540056

[whole bear]

Jason sounds like

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

[dry jasper]

like clash of clan?

or what are you trying to say?

[whole bear]

Hog riiiider

[astral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-snoopy-dance-gif-5070374114551620535

[surreal lion]

welp

kinda weird system for filtering bots for the voice channels ngl

[rugged root]

It's not for bots, but for trolls

Although it does help with bots as well, come to think of it

[surreal lion]

make sense I guess

[rugged root]

We had a long period of time where we had "hit and run" trolls. People who would join the server, join voice chat, scream at the top of their lungs or play really loud noises and then leave

[vocal basin]

I need to "vibe check" the bank tomorrow and take out half the money

somewhat

currently residing there

https://http.cat/503
https://http.cat/501

@rugged root more

[vocal basin]

tuna

I used to eat quite a lot of canned tuna despite its high price

[astral coral]

that explains why your brain is so dense :L

[vocal basin]

we also had a couple dozen cans of sprats at home at some point

it was more than we could handle

small Baltic fish

at least those ones were Baltic

[vocal basin]

it becomes insufferable after some number

deep fried water when

Americans can deep fry anything

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/sushiroll-shrimp-californiaroll-crunchyroll-nom-gif-12882344837803725578

[wind raptor]

!stream 918875154539495456

[wise cargo]

✅ @viscid merlin can now stream until <t:1744135836:f>.

[whole bear]

@wind raptorYo how are you?

[viscid merlin]

https://www.sesame.com/research/crossing_the_uncanny_valley_of_voice

[surreal lion]

can you guys do a very exceptional unmute here... can't wait for that 3 days period?

[wind raptor]

No, sorry. Everyone has to go through it.

[surreal lion]

alright

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/_2C2CNmK7dQ

the aesthetics of this one are truly something

@wind raptor I even have #1035199133436354600 hidden

I don't go anywhere near OT

pygen

[surreal lion]

I tricked you with my #code-help-voice-text request

[vocal basin]

RPLCS has a concept of "focused chats", haven't seen that in other servers

@viscid merlin there was such bot already, Clyde

built into Discord

[viscid merlin]

yes

[vocal basin]

it's back to pre-AI state

i.e. just an alias for system messages

[viscid merlin]

okey

[vocal basin]

@peak depot was it you who asked for found footage horrors or someone else?

[peak depot]

Nope

[vocal basin]

I somehow actually forgot

grrrr

unbraining

[upper basin]

That was moi.

Hah 10x dev guy?

[vocal basin]

yes

[upper basin]

I'll watch it when I wake up.

Thank you.

I have a feeling I'm going to laugh a bit too hard watching this.

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor including the one in Turing Compete?

[wind raptor]

I did not include that one haha

https://www.kaggle.com/learn

[vocal basin]

I don't really like to call just putting components together building, in the context of computers

nor is it assembling

idk what the more appropriate word would be

[vocal basin]

iirc it's a data set and competition site first, courses are additional

[viscid merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rtx-gif-316975000211366020

[vocal basin]

I have a 150W CPU and it's near silent

without liquid cooling

old Intel

30 degrees C in idle, 70 degrees C at full load

I have an extremely good cooler

[wind raptor]

Nice

[vocal basin]

also I did not mess up the thermal paste

on the current PC I replaced a 65W CPU with a 65W CPU

just 2~4 times more performant

[viscid merlin]

ntel® Core™ i9-13900KS Processor
36M Cache, up to 6.00 GHz

[vocal basin]

1500X -> 8700F

[vocal basin]

and this one is i9-7920X

[vocal basin]

Ryzen

[vocal basin]

this is ancient

back when I had only three computers, all three had a CPU from 2017

[vocal basin]

now the PC's CPU is from 2024

2017 really does feel like the golden age of CPUs lol

first Ryzens, revived Celerons

I don't want a Ryzen 9

Ryzen 9s are not monolithic

I'm completely fine with my current setup

the only reason why I upgraded was because I couldn't replace the fan on the old CPU

[viscid merlin]

Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 Processor 285K (36M Cache- up to 5.70 GHz)

[vocal basin]

it was suboptimally placed, so the fan and the CPU got effectively welded together

completely impossible to separate

even with heat applied

[viscid merlin]

okey

[vocal basin]

one of the big issues with AM4 and earlier AMD cpus is that they used non-LGA sockets

[viscid merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/zeek-zeek-coin-zeeks-zeek-the-cat-zeek-the-zk-cat-gif-684720878619201789

[vocal basin]

yes

it needs to be heated and twisted

I'd rather not try to separate the fan from the PC when the PC is running

[vocal basin]

I mean really high temperatures

like 70~100

(I'm not talking about a laptop)

it was 40~50 in idle back when I used it

[vocal basin]

(to separate I mean)

at this point attempting to unstuck the fan is just a for-sports activity

[viscid merlin]

yup

[vocal basin]

you can't put it back on

another problem

it can't be connected back to the motherboard

because of how the socket is structured

(on the motherboard)

that's what I did

new CPU, new motherboard

I had the cooler upfront, since that's what I was trying to replace

tbf it's easier to just sell to whoever wants to get it unstuck

if they believe they can fix it, it's their problem

(she)

it was a box cooler

it wasn't actually me who assembled it initially

@warm atlas there was no super glue involved

[vocal basin]

I don't even remember if it had the thermal paste already on the cooler

it was not me who built the PC 8 years ago

I have no idea what they did wrong

it was built for me but not by me

[viscid merlin]

soo

[vocal basin]

I wonder if it's even worth it to fix it

[viscid merlin]

@warm atlas

[vocal basin]

right now I have this

fairly normal temperatures

if the CPU didn't have the thermal paste on, that'd be a whole separate issue lmao

[vocal basin]

it's current not maximum

maximum is 65W

it's a different CPU

[vocal basin]

this is a screenshot from 2 minutes ago

[viscid merlin]

i think soo

[vocal basin]

I don't really gain anything from that

[viscid merlin]

okey

[vocal basin]

this is new normal CPU

Ryzen 8700F

[whole bear]

@vocal basin

[vocal basin]

I've replaced all parts from the 2017 build

except for the system SSD

which is the worst type of SSD

m.2 SATA

SATAs aren't NVMe

modern motherboard only support m.2 NVMe usually

[viscid merlin]

yup

[vocal basin]

... which I discovered when I upgraded the motherboard

[viscid merlin]

so why you use sata nvme ssd ?

[vocal basin]

it did not even see the drive

as if it didn't exist/wasn't connected

[whole bear]

How much did you paid for such a machine ?

[vocal basin]

m.2 SATA (not NVMe) because it was the only one affordable at the time

back in those days SSDs were expensive

[viscid merlin]

not to much 60k

[vocal basin]

it cost $70 at the time

for 256GB

CPU cost $150

motherboard cost $50

[whole bear]

Damn you could have bought a Mac mini at the same price.

But far less wastage of money compared to me

[vocal basin]

idk what the current total price of parts is in my PC

[viscid merlin]

why

[whole bear]

It's overall better in almost all aspects but gamming

[vocal basin]

I'm not very rich, at least by European standards

[whole bear]

And windows laptop has a problem called unwanted update to slow your computer

[whole bear]

You are priceless

[vocal basin]

however I remember some prices for the Intel server

the most costly part was the SSD

$400

4TB Samsung

I only buy Samsung nowadays

[vocal basin]

having one non-Samsung SSD crash was enough to convince to never buy anything else

[whole bear]

Doesn't matter, you are spending 💰

More and more

Just to maintain the system

[viscid merlin]

hahahahahahah

i can do everything to maintain my pc

[whole bear]

Dude ask alisa about PC

She has ultra magnus pro PC

[vocal basin]

this is only a bit cheaper than Samsung, yes

Crucial and Samsung are the highest quality as far as I know

[viscid merlin]

whare you going of the tropic

[vocal basin]

no

WD SSDs are garbage

especially Green iirc

or whatever that one is

[viscid merlin]

95$

[vocal basin]

yeah, I have that but 4x space

and 4x price

[whole bear]

I think 🤔

[vocal basin]

WD have higher defect rate

storage faults

[whole bear]

I think 🤔, I know the best buy

Just a sec

[vocal basin]

@warm atlas well, you have only one SSD, right?

and I have to deal with ~10

at scale reliability matters more

it's not yet the big scale but already enough to care about what I buy

[viscid merlin]

zebronics

[vocal basin]

at work we use only Samsung too

(at least for the SSDs)

I don't have any agreements with Samsung

[viscid merlin]

you are a part of ecosystem from samsung ?

[vocal basin]

moreover, we can't have any business agreements with Samsung

[whole bear]

Crucial P3 Plus 1TB PCIe 4.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD

This is the best buy, it's under 5k

If you are focused on budget

[vocal basin]

I was recently thinking of buy a big HDD just to dump rarely used files onto it

like 20TB or something

[whole bear]

She has pictures of me 😔

[viscid merlin]

whole world data

[vocal basin]

if I take all data I and my family has, it'd be around 8TB I think

also for general cold storage of whatever

[whole bear]

I'm marsian

Have a look at my PFP

[vocal basin]

like literally just random stuff like photos and whatever

we have way too much things

[whole bear]

I told u 👀

[vocal basin]

we also have archives of videos and photos converted from film

film as in the thing before digital photography

🎞️

[viscid merlin]

yup ?

[vocal basin]

it's not for processing

it's literally a mostly write-only storage

we just need to move data off of computers' drives

and centralise it

kind of a private cloud

[whole bear]

20TB ain't much

[vocal basin]

I already have a privately hosted file storage server

so I'm just planing to extend it

I'm not selling any services

[vocal basin]

the hardware itself cost only around $200 initially

[whole bear]

I have 128GB

[vocal basin]

that's what I was talking about, yes

[vocal basin]

!rule 4

[wise cargo]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[vocal basin]

@whole bear if you feel like what they're telling is offensive, feel free to open a @rapid crown thread

private cloud means you control the hardware it runs on

[whole bear]

Nah I don't think so

[vocal basin]

Oxide Computer, for example, are selling computers made for that specifically

generally, you shouldn't be renting a VPS for most services, you should be using containers

[viscid merlin]

bye

[vocal basin]

containers don't virtualise the hardware, instead they virtualise the system call table

[whole bear]

Take care and GN

[vocal basin]

which means you get better performance compared to VMs with similar guarantees of security

[viscid merlin]

yup, You too

[vocal basin]

with a container, you create a predefined environment for the system not including the OS kernel

[whole bear]

@brave ravine 👋

[vocal basin]

you can easily move that environment from one computer to another

[brave ravine]

sup man

why cant I talk here

[vocal basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[whole bear]

@whole bear Hello 👋

[brave ravine]

damn.. I have to send 50 messeges

[vocal basin]

it might be another Discord UI bug

oi

@warm atlas

[brave ravine]

so what are you guys doing rn?

[whole bear]

Tech talk

[vocal basin]

playing minesweeper
https://minesweeper.online/game/4481136687

[brave ravine]

Im here to dip my toe into python

yeah

trying to learn but so overwhemled by all the things

[whole bear]

Great 👍

[brave ravine]

Im totally new to coding

[whole bear]

Seek help, focus on one aspect

[vocal basin]

yeah, that's expected and normal

find ways to limit the scope of specific things you're doing but don't lock yourself into one activity long-term

[brave ravine]

what should be the roadmap of getting into coding?

[vocal basin]

what do you mean by a "roadmap"?

[whole bear]

Tbh, one has to find its own path.
Focus on problem solving

[vocal basin]

are you currently studying somewhere where you're taught programming?

[brave ravine]

like you know in university they give you a set of instructions on which things you need to study but when you're self-learning there's no guidence

[vocal basin]

that's a course not a roadmap

course is ordered, a map isn't

[whole bear]

I've learnt JS directly while learning about WebGL.
I had little to no idea, so everyone has completely different approaches.

[vocal basin]

map with a single road is kind of a useless map

[brave ravine]

but Im kinda confused if I even should lean onto coding considering all the AI wave

[vocal basin]

what do you want to learn programming for?

[whole bear]

hello, sorry i could read the chat

He is trying hard to hit 50 messages

[vocal basin]

what programming and non-programming interests do you have?

[whole bear]

Lol

[brave ravine]

wanted to learn how to make an app or programme in general

[whole bear]

No problem, how was your day?

[vocal basin]

is there any particular application you want to develop?

regardless of however simple or complex it might be

[brave ravine]

thought of starting with Kotlin or Flutter but even if I do it then what's next?

[vocal basin]

I don't mean what tools you use, I mean what the application is going to do?

like what would be the final product

i.e. do you have a project idea

[whole bear]

Start with automation in Python.

As you are learning python at the moment

[brave ravine]

an app which redirects you to every govenment sites that you needed to find manually

starting off pretty simple

[vocal basin]

so a statically-generated index

might as well itself be a website

[whole bear]

That's an automation

[vocal basin]

this sounds like you'd need to make something related to web-scraping

which is a good fit for Python

[brave ravine]

some people told me to learn C first so that I can get a hang of how a computer works

then jump to python

[vocal basin]

Government websites, unless they're related to pages with personal information, don't have much against web scrapers, as far as I understand, so you should be fine

[vocal basin]

C is quite irrelevant for this particular usecase

[whole bear]

If you really want to learn Computer Science from its fundamentals.
Start with Computer Architecture, types of gates, binary, etc

[brave ravine]

yeah but at first Im trying learn the ABCs then I can get into projects. Is that the proper way?

[vocal basin]

what I'd do if I had to make such project:
statically scrape/generate all the data, save it in a SQLite database with full text search extension,
have Flask/Django/FastAPI serve up that information to the web

[vocal basin]

C isn't basics

it's a foundation for how Python works but it's not basics in terms of learning

[brave ravine]

are you even writing in English? what are all these

lmao

explain it like im five

[vocal basin]

have you looked through the official Python tutorial yet?

[brave ravine]

then which is the better way to learn?

[whole bear]

@brave ravine #voice-verification

[brave ravine]

yeah installed pycharm and tried to write "Hello World and shit"

[vocal basin]

I recommend learning C alongside Python, not before Python

however

C is way harder to even compile in the first place

it kind of depends on whether you can get it working yourself

if you feel comfortable learning C, then, sure, learn it

otherwise it's not going to be any simpler or any more "basic" than Python

[brave ravine]

Ik im getting ahead of myself but is it even worth it to get into CS in 2025?

[whole bear]

As long as you have money yes!
Else no!

[brave ravine]

and I though CS would BRING money

like side hustle

[whole bear]

It's one of the most expensive bachelor

[vocal basin]

if you just want to get into programming for money and not because you like programming, it's equally not worth it as throughout the previous half-decade

programming jobs won't go away

someone needs to maintain all the AI-made code

[whole bear]

ROI is not bad it's above average

[gentle flint]

I mean it's better than anthropology

[brave ravine]

but is it better than other form of engineering degrees?

[vocal basin]

if you mean CS as higher education not field in general, then, yes, definitely worth it

[vocal basin]

not necessarily

pick what you enjoy first and foremost

[whole bear]

Nah

[vocal basin]

just not, like as with plome's example, something you can't use later on (unless you're really interested)

[whole bear]

@wispy harbor 👋

[whole bear]

Yes

[brave ravine]

I mean obviously CSE is better than Anthropology

[whole bear]

Aerospace Engineering is best in terms of ROI but it's difficult to get in Aerospace Engineering

[brave ravine]

well I guess as of now I should just stick to learning C and python. I'll branch out as things unfold

[vocal basin]

(with more specifics)
with the app idea you described, there are three distinct parts to it: gathering what websites to index, building an indexable structure, and showing the index to the user

first part normally involves either a web scraper or some API/existing index; there are numerous libraries for web scraping and HTTP requests in Python; this is also the part where you're need to spend the most time researching: what sites to include, what data to exclude, etc.

next you need to store all the data you got into some form of a database; I personally recommend either SQLite or PostgreSQL with a full-text search extension loaded; this allows you to just put whatever data you have into the storage and query it by keywords; at this portion you need to do a bit of research too: how do you rank the results, which parts are more important to be indexed, and so on

and the final part, taking requests from the user and giving them responses, is, in my opinion, the easiest one, you would just use a web server (Flask, Django or FastAPI) that either generates HTML not its own or sends JSON down to the client where JS populates the page

this is one of the many approaches

another "road" that you might take during writing the project:
move all the querying part fully to the client side

you'd do that if either you have very little data that you can download it alongside the HTML or if you have an actual application that stores previously fetched data locally

also it seems I'd been writing it so long that Discord decided that I'm idle rather than online