voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

the latter

Karjakin got banned, then Karjakin complained to Putin

I'll attempt to connect on a phone but I can't guarantee success

@quartz beacon democracy

[vestal flare]

hiiii

[vocal basin]

absolutely nothing got created to "import-replace" chess.com

zero attempts

Karpov?

systematically systematic

Karjakin got "raised by" the regime

his career got paid by the ruling party

[steep vortex]

Yeh?

[vocal basin]

@quartz beacon not only Turkey

wrong ping

[short owl]

rub tabasco on wire @peak depot

[scarlet halo]

Yes

[vocal basin]

brb

(or in two hours if not successful)

[woeful blaze]

Hello

[short owl]

I got a free laptop , cuz doggy bit power wire

[quartz beacon]

Oh?

[short owl]

observing the madness from the side of the road

[vocal basin]

I have no idea whether it works or not

presumably not

[quartz beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmN4PL9IpGA

[sleek summit]

ooo

h i t l e r

[dreamy totem]

Oo same

First time really talking here

[willow light]

Ayuh

[earnest lodge]

hello

<<py>>

<<end>>

[somber heath]

@languid scaffold 👋

[languid scaffold]

i cant use voice chat bc i havent sent 50 messages yet in the server

rip

hows it going

boredom

writing a flashcard program rn adding new things as i learn lol

its pretty fun

everytime i learn new things for python

i add a little multiple choice questionnaire

so far not too much just a question asking what are strings in python, what is the keyword used to define a function, stuff like that

[somber heath]

@severe spoke 👋

[severe spoke]

hi

gtg

just dm me

[somber heath]

I've no need to.

[whole bear]

Hello @somber heath @wind raptor @obsidian dragon

Is is a bug or is this feature of the windows 11?
Display scale : 125%

---

On Display Scale : 100% it works as intended but on Display 125% it appears as in the screen

@somber heath Which OS do you use?

[whole bear]

As you can see option is going out of the window

Here it works as intended

[whole bear]

In Scale: 100%

How can I change DPI?

[whole bear]

This is fresh windows 11

[whole bear]

Fresh and defualt

@obsidian dragon How do I change DPI?

There are no such a option called DPI but there is an option to Scale

@visual leaf Hello !

[somber heath]

@visual leaf 👋

[whole bear]

The main reason, why I do not like to use Linux it has no support for my hardware, it has very limited support

And it limits the true potential of my machine

[whole bear]

Is it pink?

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-galapados-iguana-reptiliano-gif-20428599

[whole bear]

This is godzilla, on the way to terrestrial life!

[somber heath]

@calm lake 👋

[calm lake]

heyy

[somber heath]

@flat hornet 👋

[flat hornet]

helo

[astral coral]

hey

[severe spoke]

yo

[somber heath]

@waxen saffron 👋

[whole bear]

@woeful salmon Are you from bangladesh?

[somber heath]

🎉 👦 🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[slender sierra]

Hi)

[primal shadow]

Hello

Goodbye

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/space-gif-9460800

@flat hornet Nae Nae * * * *

https://youtu.be/7DRgXpMY-cc?si=4PI7tgazJFdZy4t2

[peak depot]

Mämmi
Finnish Easter dessert
Mämmi is a traditional Finnish dessert, eaten around Easter. Mämmi is traditionally made of water, rye flour, ground malted rye, salt, and dried, ground Seville orange zest

[primal shadow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fermented_foods

Can ferment all sorts of things

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/elixir-gif-25373569

@wise loom Life always find a way!

New way to screw free user to charge more money

Almost all of the company

@rugged steeple Hello bruh!

[rugged steeple]

Hi

[primal shadow]

welcome

[rugged steeple]

Thanks

[wise loom]

I mean yes, some peoples are living proof that there are ways to do it.

[primal shadow]

What brings you this way? Do you have much experience with python, programming?

[rugged steeple]

Not yet, am just learning

[primal shadow]

School or self led/

[rugged steeple]

self led

[primal shadow]

a fun path

one I went down myself

[vocal basin]

zoomer Erlang

oh wait wrong elixir presumably

[rugged steeple]

how can I speak in the voice rooms? cuz I cant

[whole bear]

AF has library on her Mind full of every possible lanuguage and it's use case!

[whole bear]

Say allah hu akbar

thrice

and you can speak

#voice-verification

[rugged steeple]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? hahahaha

[vocal basin]

[assuming it's context-relevant ]consider posting things like that without an embed, i.e. <url>

[whole bear]

JK

Eid is going on

[rugged steeple]

oooh eid mubarak bro!

[whole bear]

But I ain't muslim

[whole bear]

eid eh mubarak to you

[vocal basin]

I should try actually using Erlang/Elixir/Gleam

the live code upgrade part is interesting

I wonder if Gleam supports it well enough

[whole bear]

Click on it @rugged steeple

[rugged steeple]

neither do I

[whole bear]

Make sure to obey the leader of the Discord

[whole bear]

AF

[vocal basin]

I'm not the domain lead of voice here, Hemlock is

[whole bear]

Emlock is inactive

You are active

[whole bear]

so you bare the responsibility

[vocal basin]

bear

[primal shadow]

You'll get there

[whole bear]

bear is for normal users, for russian it's bare

[primal shadow]

the 72 hours is the toughest one to pass, but if you wait, it'll happen with time

[whole bear]

It means you did not obeyed the leader

AF

[rugged steeple]

@peak depot Morocco

[whole bear]

@rugged steeple Say "I heil fuher!"

[vocal basin]

don't~~, and also you misspelled that again~~

[whole bear]

I can speak hindi fluently

@rugged steeple To speak you need to be in server at least 3 days and have 50 message and more.
Than only you can verify for #voice-verification

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-unpossible-gif-5110385

[rugged steeple]

ok bro.. I just joined for like 10 min ago

[vocal basin]

@peak depot I missed the context, was it sealant that smelled of vinegar?

we had some repairs happen, and that was quite a noticeable effect

[hearty knot]

meep meep

[peak depot]

yes

[whole bear]

Us bro, us bro!

[gentle flint]

yeah silicone caulk

[rugged steeple]

where are u from?

[primal shadow]

what's the recipe for?

and how many does it serve

[peak depot]

spicy lentil soup

[whole bear]

India

[gentle flint]

https://cookieandkate.com/best-lentil-soup-recipe/

[whole bear]

How about you?

[rugged steeple]

Morocco

[whole bear]

Great spawn point!

[bleak copper]

carrots are $1 per pound

[vocal basin]

I don't remember such level

I stopped at the space invaders level

all adjacent to it I completed

also, yes, you can "cheat" and add custom instructions

it's your computer, no one is stopping you

[placid jackal]

best way to solve everything

[vocal basin]

proprietary architectures 📈

@peak depot the cat came with bluetooth pre-installed?

[placid jackal]

found it...

[jade badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK8yU6IMUZk&ab_channel=Lofe

look at 5:55

[vocal basin]

seems like my total steam gaming hours + minesweeper gaming hours on record crossed over 10'000 hours

[ripe viper]

what is this?

[placid jackal]

It's a game called turing complete, you build a computer up from nand gates

[ripe viper]

interesting.

[ripe viper]

that's a big lawn mower, but $21k for it is still too much.

[gentle flint]

it's not for the lawnmower, it's for a ride on the lawnmower

[ripe viper]

ohh, that makes even less sense.

[vocal basin]

@peak depot yes

[upbeat bobcat]

Hello everyone!

[vocal basin]

"you can see with the horse"

horsetorch

🎉

[vocal basin]

I've just realised a funny similarity;
between Trump managing to bankrupt casinos and another Russian politician managing to bankrupt a competitive poker association

both sure take some executive effort to accomplish

[jade mountain]

@vocal basin

[vocal basin]

I've seen that already

[jade mountain]

:(

[vocal basin]

time to play a broken unfinished game

why tf did it start on the second monitor

where's the hard funny difficulty

okay the first gameplay thing being a 10 second timer where I have to navigate through inventory to prevent dying is definitely not what I expected from a normal difficulty

[whole bear]

@vocal basin How tall are you?

[vocal basin]

allegedly, 186~188cm

[whole bear]

6"2

damn

you are super tall for girl

[vocal basin]

having been at only 54kg for that height at some point was not fun

[whole bear]

You are 1ft taller than me!

[whole bear]

54 is not bad weight!

I think anything between 60 to 75 would be healthy for you

54 would be skinny

Are all the russian woman as tall as you?

I mean is it average over there?

[vocal basin]

no, just the range is wide

Netherlands have high average heights

[whole bear]

But you ain't dutch!

[vocal basin]

(and presumably fewer short people there? I don't know)

[whole bear]

Maybe they hunt the short people xd

[vocal basin]

python3 in minesweeper lol

I have a somewhat high pvp record against them iirc

[whole bear]

Good!

Why do you love Minesweeper so much?

[vocal basin]

core mechanics are simple enough that I can almost always focus on thinking about something other than the game

I don't really compete on minesweeper.online after reaching top 500

[whole bear]

Damn

[vocal basin]

~2 years ago I managed to keep top 7 season rank for several days

[whole bear]

LOL

As if it's normal for you!

[vocal basin]

correction: one year ago

I dropped to top 87 by the end of the season

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

Alright, I gotta run. Catch you later!

[tepid edge]

@vocal basin , do you know of a service akin to render.com where I can host a non-HTTP TCP server for free?

[vocal basin]

haven't encountered any of that sort

at least, like, any big brand thing

I might've actually heard of some that was like "you can host it yourself but it also happens to be running on this domain: ..."

[tepid edge]

that would be fine

I assume it's a fairly niche use case

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/ekzhang/bore

lmao the description for the other project of this sort

[tepid edge]

ah, that looks great for my use case (wanting to run the protohackers checks)

[vocal basin]

(google query used to find that)

[tepid edge]

I was making it more complicated by looking for hosting servers where I really needed a tunnel

thank you for both lessons :)

[vocal basin]

the AGI is not yet here given it cannot figure out my clearly structured and grammatically correct question

very credible sources, especially the black circle

3 years seems like

ChatGPT allows me to search so that works considerably better

I'm trying to rephrase it for Gemini 2.0 Flash so that it can understand that I want existing solutions not how to build it

it does know what bore is but isn't volunteering it as one of the results

Rust forum, it's just very low contrast

[vocal basin]

it suggested tunneler

I asked for alternatives, it did not suggest bore then either

I'm witnessing typographical hell
keyword for what's the reason: Cloud Translation API

it translated Gemini

and everything else

it understands that it's not a nominative noun

judging by how it kept the uppercased first letter

(Twins ~= Близнецы ~= Gemini)

rarely ever

Microsoft has some hand-translated and some well-translated automatically

but I do generally prefer English documentation

[vocal basin]

until it starts transliterating command names

Wikipedia often has maths/programming articles differing a lot between English and Russian

B-Trees are better explained in Russian from what I remember

many other structures and algorithms too

for some, there just doesn't exist an English equivalent

prefix function being an example

[tepid edge]

судо апт-гет инсталл -да неовим

[vocal basin]

апт-жет if it was transliterated by Microsoft
probably with either -й or -ы

it prefers g like in general over g like in get

[vocal basin]

a factored out part of KMP algorithm used for other purposes

[vocal basin]

also the definitions of the "order" differ

iirc English uses maximal arity of the tree whereas Russian uses minimal

why I don't like it:

(the English one)

it's actually always m/2+1/2

although I think the Russian version stopped labelling it as "order"

m = 2t - 1

m is what the English version uses, t is what the Russian one does

without any label given to t anymore

just a parameter

[vocal basin]

* minimal - 1

oh wait no

just minimal

ugh it's so confusing

[vocal basin]

correction: just m/2

peak article structuring practice:
main disadvantages are listed under the "main advantages" section

English B-Tree article evolved noticeably since I last read it

https://maturin.rs

[tepid edge]

life, uh, finds a way

[vocal basin]

concurrent Go is often more performant than concurrent C++

if you even believe in concurrent C++ existing

Clang is LLVM

GCC and MSVC generally aren't

if you make a great C API, it's likely you'll be able to expose that API in Python

Python and Rust are good for building stuff on top of the underlying C

[frosty shell]

I wonder if there are python bindings for Rust and Go

[vocal basin]

Rust

for Go: afaik existent but non-idiomatic

[frosty shell]

https://github.com/go-python/gopy

[vocal basin]

"Go doesn't want you calling Python from it or to be called from Python"

from what I understand, C APIs for Go code aren't a priority for the language

[frosty shell]

yeah

[vocal basin]

combining multiple GCs together is not the happiest experience

Number is a fake class

yeah

[frosty shell]

https://github.com/spiraldb/ziggy-pydust

[vocal basin]

!e

print(issubclass(bool, int))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[vocal basin]

I would presume int is a Number subclass

bool is such by transitivity

[tepid edge]

>>> from numbers import Number
>>> isinstance(True, Number)
True

[vocal basin]

if it was int but not Number, that'd be weird

do I remember correctly that True ^ True is False not 0?

!e

print(True ^ True)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[pseudo prawn]

hi whats up

[vocal basin]

!e

print(False << 0)
print(False << 1)
print(True >> 0)
print(True >> 1)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0
002 | 0
003 | 1
004 | 0

[vocal basin]

yes

!e

print(~True)  # approximately true

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

-2

[vocal basin]

!e

print(~True == hash(~False))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[vocal basin]

this might be getting into the esoteric territory

[worthy plank]

!e

print(~True == hash(~False))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[worthy plank]

Xd

[vocal basin]

it's a bit weird that it is but for Python that does seem to make sense

if you want a really strict type system, it shouldn't be coerceable either

it's just that in languages like Rust that are close to C it makes sense to provide C-like type conversions at least in some way

I should get back to hitting postgres with hammers trying to make it work

I managed to get queries to under 1ms of the actual query processing

with a few milliseconds overhead of postgres trying to figure out what it even has to do with what I'm giving it

[vocal basin]

I don't really I think I can do much better than that

I was getting 0.05ms on simpler queries with fewer rows in the tables

so 0.5ms with a million rows might be acceptable

(million rows in the table not fetched)

sqlx giving instant feedback on query correctness is really great

presumably, the way rust-analyzer is running proc macros, it doesn't even wait for the file to be saved

postgres is not happy

[vocal basin]

even after the database restart without prior queries executed

so allegedly the performance wins aren't coming from above-the-filesystem caching

I still haven't started writing a SQL autoformatter that I planned to make

existing ones aren't good enough

so I prefer to format it manually in a style that makes it easier for me to read and write

[brazen crystal]

No module named 'importlib.metadata'

[vocal basin]

importlib issues -> loading cogs in discord.py?

what version of Python are you using?

!d importlib.metadata

[wise cargo]

importlib.metadata

Added in version 3.8.

Changed in version 3.10: importlib.metadata is no longer provisional.

Source code: Lib/importlib/metadata/__init__.py...

[languid scaffold]

rip

atill haven't sent enough messages to talk

[timid iris]

@vocal basin when you are bored what do you make / work on

[vocal basin]

idk if I'm ever bored anymore

!pypi scarletio

[wise cargo]

scarletio v1.0.90

Asynchronous blackmagic & Witchcraft

Released on <t:1742309398:D>.

[vocal basin]

you can always do like the author of this and reimplement the entire underlying library stack yourself

[languid scaffold]

i been practicing python for a month

its fun

[vocal basin]

tbf I'd rather write Python than Tcl

[timid iris]

luau

[vocal basin]

derivative of Lua

they even ported React to it

added +=

[languid scaffold]

after a year or two of python imma learn html and javascript

[vocal basin]

you can just ```lua it, should cover most of the syntax

[timid iris]

local part: Part = workspace:FindFirstChild("Part") :: Part

[vocal basin]

postgres-style casts

[timid iris]

local potentialPart: Part? = foo.Part

for key, item in items :: {[string] : Part | Decal} do:
   print(key, item)

local letter = never | 'A'
            'B' | 'C'

[vocal basin]

!d typing.Union

[wise cargo]

typing.Union

typing.Union```
Union type; `Union[X, Y]` is equivalent to `X | Y` and means either X or Y.

To define a union, use e.g. `Union[int, str]` or the shorthand `int | str`. Using that shorthand is recommended. Details...

[vocal basin]

like in TypeScript and Python

not really a pipe operator, instead just or

type unions are easier to work with in TS than in Python

!e

from typing import Literal
print(Literal["a"] | Literal["b"])

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

typing.Union[typing.Literal['a'], typing.Literal['b']]

[vocal basin]

!e

from typing import Literal
print(Literal["a", "b"])

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

typing.Literal['a', 'b']

[vocal basin]

hmm I thought those two should output the same thing

Literal["a"] only matches "a"

[timid iris]

if c == 'a':

[vocal basin]

you'd be using that anyway

[timid iris]

chr('a')

[vocal basin]

one part is for typing

the other for runtime

mypy

and pyright

pyright doesn't go into dependencies as deep

def example(x: Literal["a"] | Literal["b"]) -> int:
    match x:
        case "a":
            return 1
        case "b":
            return 2
    # never reaches this line when used correctly

[timid iris]

would a union work?

in that case

[vocal basin]

| and typing.Union do almost the same thing

[timid iris]

what is the difference

[vocal basin]

just returns a different thing

!e

from typing import Union
print(Union[int, str])
print(int | str)
print(Union[int, str] == int | str)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | typing.Union[int, str]
002 | int | str
003 | True

[vocal basin]

HTML

the world is doomed, everything is going to be Electron now

[timid iris]

wat dat

[vocal basin]

Chrome + Node.js

!kindling

[wise cargo]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[languid scaffold]

make a movie website

[vocal basin]

related to Python and file sharing:
https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs

[languid scaffold]

lol

[vocal basin]

@timid iris you can talk to @tall ridge about this probably

everything labelled nix/flake, just ignore for now

in case of Python, you rarely ever build a project

wheels are only involved during publishing

it is building, but that's almost exclusively a library thing to do

[timid iris]

https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs/blob/master/src/allmydata/interfaces.py

[vocal basin]

mostly docs

or another Scheme

using gotos probably

although

[] is just while

proper regex isn't recursive

depends

https://docs.rs/regex guarantees O(MN)

[vocal basin]

I just don't have any project ideas anymore
(excluding things that I actually need, e.g. aforementioned SQL autoformatter)

for example,

it should convert

CREATE TABLE table1(column1 text PRIMARY KEY, column2 bigint NOT NULL, column3 text NULL);

into

CREATE TABLE table1
    ( column1 text   PRIMARY KEY
    , column2 bigint NOT NULL
    , column3 text       NULL
    )
    ;

[soft axle]

I'm learning SQL at the moment for a class, and I find it pretty easy, but Im having trouble with different flavors of it?

[vocal basin]

there are existing SQL parsers written in Rust

I only need SQLite and PostgreSQL support

[soft axle]

rust 🤮

[vocal basin]

Rust feels and is way easier for me to write than Python and many other languages

extremely high productivity compared to anything I did before

I do have a job

I'm rewriting some Python and C++ stuff into Rust

or rather redesigning the whole thing, not just fixing poor choices of the implementation language

I'll gladly help you set up uv instead of anaconda

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/integration/jupyter/

@timid iris what did you want to stream? (I couldn't hear)

[vocal basin]

!stream 950555789133766698

[wise cargo]

✅ @timid iris can now stream until <t:1743364681:f>.

[tepid edge]

still reading text chat, can't listen to voice for a bit because I need to focus

[timid iris]

what ya focusing on

[tepid edge]

https://protohackers.com/problem/2

just doing a little protohackers to get familiar with asyncio

and then do it again in rust or java

haven't decided yet

[vocal basin]

"I do not 'notion', I do not 'confluence', I do not 'wiki', I do not 'comment', I do not 'document'. I just read the code."
or
"I do not 'notion', I do not 'confluence', I do not 'wiki', I do not 'comment', I do not 'document'. I just remember."
or
"I do not 'notion', I do not 'confluence', I do not 'wiki', I do not 'comment', I do not 'document'. I just forget."

[timid iris]

how did you find that resource

[vocal basin]

there are alternatives to asyncio

one of the Discord API wrappers is using a custom async runtime

[timid iris]

custom meaning what exactly

[vocal basin]

purpose-built for that specific wrapper

[wise cargo]

Nuh-uh.

No documentation found for the requested symbol.

[vocal basin]

!pypi hata

[wise cargo]

hata v1.3.77

A powerful asynchronous library for creating Discord bots in Python.

Released on <t:1742414767:D>.

[vocal basin]

!pypi scarletio

[wise cargo]

scarletio v1.0.90

Asynchronous blackmagic & Witchcraft

Released on <t:1742309398:D>.

[vocal basin]

it's not really good but it's existent

typing is, however, not existent

all the typing information there is in docstrings

in a project-specific format

[tepid edge]

yikes

[soft axle]

uhh alisa

by chance do you ever vc?

i was gonna ask how you think I should organize my python notes 😅

ik. boring and dumb.

[vocal basin]

!d docstring

[wise cargo]

docstring

A string literal which appears as the first expression in a class, function or module. While ignored when the suite is executed, it is recognized by the compiler and put into the __doc__ attribute of the enclosing class, function or module. Since it is available via introspection, it is the canonical place for documentation of the object.

Similar names: scikit_learn.docstring, pandas.docstring

[vocal basin]

!pypi sphinx

[soft axle]

?

[wise cargo]

Sphinx v8.2.3

Python documentation generator

Released on <t:1740954719:D>.

[timid iris]

alisa i am quite intimidated by the sheer amount of packages there are in python

[soft axle]

No i meant my personal notes on google docs and such

[soft axle]

oh are you new to Python?

[timid iris]

no ive been using for a few months now

[vocal basin]

I highly recommend storing notes alongside code

or even inside it

[timid iris]

and its baffling how there are so many libs i fear that i may not be fully updated with which tend to make their way into modern programs

[vocal basin]

versioned using Git

[timid iris]

is what i do

[soft axle]

I do do that, I type the code in my google docs themselves

[vocal basin]

you shouldn't store code in google docs

use Git hosted on GitHub/GitLab

[soft axle]

versioned using git?? 😭
I only learned the basics of Git and I HATE it because I don't have a good enough background with file management and operating systems

[vocal basin]

if you, for whatever reason, want to use a non-Git service, the only sensible option that I'm aware of is Notion

[soft axle]

The "code" is just templates and such

[vocal basin]

you don't need a CLI, you can edit via the browser

[soft axle]

like defining different functions and methods in different libraries, etc

[tepid edge]

the solution is to get better at what you mentioned, then learning how to use git

it's super worth it

[soft axle]

I had to learn Git for a class, and I just learned the basics. If i wanted to upload a project I finished on GitHub, how would i go about that?

[vocal basin]

if you use VSCode, there's a built-in functionality for uploading the project to GitHub

[soft axle]

Ya, I did see that.

But like does version control matter or something I need to do? if there was only ever one version, from start to finish, and I do not need previous versions?

I wanted to upload project on GitHub to have something to show for whatever skills

[vocal basin]

if you want to upload just one file instead of many, another option is to use GitHub Gist

as it doesn't involve creating a repository

you should probably just go and do it, there isn't really that much to discuss upfront

[vocal basin]

project will eventually require changes (unless it's abandoned)

having those changes reflected in the project history is quite useful

[soft axle]

Can i ask what you mostly do? @vocal basin

with coding, python, etc. (web development, analytics, game development, etc.)

I always ask this question to people here because its always interesting how we are similar yet very different in terms of our skillsets and how we utilize python or other languages, usually in combination

[vocal basin]

I don't really think there's any particular field

[tepid edge]

basically anywhere that does serious software development uses version control

even if you don't need to collaborate with others, being able to revert changes or incrementally change stuff without having to have a separate version of your code alone is worth using VCS

[vocal basin]

networking (from configuring routers to high-level communication patterns), web (from messing HTTP itself, to APIs to HTML), infrastructure (both writing things to manage it myself and managing existing services), databases (using and writing), CLI tools (mostly for developer experience), devops (automated builds, deployment, etc.), error detection algorithms (because I have background in mathematics), data synchronisation (yes, I'm going to put this thing separately, because I worked on it for way too long), cybersecurity (because no one else bothers)

this is a non-exhaustive list of things that I had to do at one job that I've worked at for only 1.5 years so far

[tepid edge]

cybersecurity (because no one else bothers)
I strongly relate

[vocal basin]

JS lambda?

JS is easier to sandbox

obviously it shouldn't include the lambda:/()=> part or else it's nightmare to write

the main issue there is opaqueness imo

I'm assuming the policy is only editable by users who have full access anyway

otherwise, yes, obviously never do that

I think some sort of sandboxed-ish SQL thing might even be more sane there

not for security, but just not to break everything else

[vocal basin]

Zitadel uses almost that

[vocal basin]

[soft axle]

all really cool!

[tepid edge]

opaqueness and lack of tooling support for e.g. refactors

[woeful blaze]

can any one hrar me

[vocal basin]

doesn't seem so

[woeful blaze]

darnit

[woeful blaze]

thank you a friend was trying to help me with my headset

How is everyone doing today?

[stone canopy]

Do we all not have permission to speak ?

[woeful blaze]

yes @wise loom

[vocal basin]

@fast gyro 👋

[fast gyro]

https://leetcode.com/problems/merge-k-sorted-lists/description/

[vocal basin]

||heapq||

[vocal basin]

ah, it's even mentioned in the topics

yes

!stream 297800369554194432

[wise cargo]

✅ @fast gyro can now stream until <t:1743372148:f>.

[vocal basin]

!d heapq

[wise cargo]

heapq

Source code: Lib/heapq.py

This module provides an implementation of the heap queue algorithm, also known as the priority queue algorithm.

Heaps are binary trees for which every parent node has a value less than or equal to any of its children. We refer to this condition as the heap invariant...

[vocal basin]

it's part of the standard library

[lapis sundial]

first element is its priority is what im thinking

so the first in list

would you still need to set the priority queue if already has a priority element

[primal shadow]

it was so simple

🤦

[vocal basin]

the heap is there so that you don't have to build that big list

[lapis sundial]

pretty sure its the same thing

[vocal basin]

heap is more efficient

but more limited

@fast gyro you're supposed to store ||lists|| in a heap not elements

@fast gyro it's a linear representation of a linked list

that'd be O(N^2) complexity if you just do it one by one

I've just made such a cursed solution but it somehow works

[lapis sundial]

you're sorting the lists before it gets to heap?

[vocal basin]

they're already sorted

the task is to merge already sorted linked lists

into one big sorted linked list

[lapis sundial]

wouldnt it just be easier if he uses the first element of each list into a heap list ...

[vocal basin]

which can be done with O(1) extra memory

since you get a list of ListNodes, ||you can heapify in-place||, which, tbf, is a bit of a hack but does work

[lapis sundial]

what would be the con of this

[vocal basin]

implementation is somewhat non-trivial

heapq doesn't support a key=

[vocal basin]

I'm currently rewriting it in Rust

[lapis sundial]

oh boy have fun with that

[fast gyro]

https://leetcode.com/problems/merge-k-sorted-lists/description/

[lapis sundial]

okay so ur comparing which node is greater and putting that into a greater list correct ? @fast gyro

wheres the part where it sorts the greater list in order

[vocal basin]

done

no allocations

[lapis sundial]

this part,

[lapis sundial]

could you show please

[vocal basin]

Rust
https://gist.github.com/afeistel/43162fad1552f6c46baa8aee3ab27c32

[lapis sundial]

first check if the merge is being done correctly

print the nodes being merged, see what the output is then

[vocal basin]

okay, edit incoming

I made it shorter

btw, yes, clippy will yell at line 6

I'll go fix it

I don't remember what the rule is called exactly

[vocal basin]

@fast gyro ^ Python

[vocal basin]

equivalent in Python
https://gist.github.com/afeistel/5932eec2fc03d82829aaebfdd8547ed0

[lapis sundial]

love the simplicity at the start...

[vocal basin]

the only time I had to check docs was to make sure that heapq does not indeed support key=

[lapis sundial]

the merge part looks fine except for this..

[vocal basin]

and here to check no-allocation and safety guarantees

[lapis sundial]

9-22..

[vocal basin]

I should merge merge and from_values into one function

[vocal basin]

(how to do this is left as an exercise for the reader)

still under construction

all three

I might move the blog there

GitHub Pages

with Astro

[lapis sundial]

GitHub pages??

[vocal basin]

GitHub has a free HTML hosting thing

you can just deploy from a repo

[lapis sundial]

does it have to be a pub repo

[vocal basin]

this turned out way simpler than I was expecting

I think so

it's all client-side code anyway, just HTML

there is nothing server-side being hosted

[vocal basin]

largely relies on the fact that ListNode is in the same crate as the solution

@wind raptor I think I finally figured out the SQL things I was working on

now it performs okay

some JOINs needed to be transformed into WHERE (SELECT)s

for now only working on postgres

because better observability and query plan debugging

those where there's at most one row and only that row's (non-)existence matters

[astral coral]

hewy guys

[vocal basin]

ugh I'm trying to fit API methods in some sort of a hierarchy and it's not working

it's too non-hierarchical

[lapis sundial]

anyone know if older git versions have to be explicit. Such as a parent folder not being a git repo, but having the same name as a git repo. Ex, parentfolder SC -> repo parent folder "SC" -> repo folder "sc" . but in repo the sub folder is capitalized... even with changes

[vocal basin]

are you on Linux?

[lapis sundial]

not as of now

[vocal basin]

Windows does some very weird things to filenames

[lapis sundial]

repo was made within VScode

yeah it seems to be like that

even when being really explicit

[vocal basin]

have you tried doing that without /*?

[lapis sundial]

had to have someone else do it on their end for changes to occur but even then issue still persists.

[lapis sundial]

ive tried it all believe me

might be because the parent dir is not within the repo

[vocal basin]

where is .git?

[lapis sundial]

in first parent dir thats done in repo

gives the option

[lapis sundial]

should it be within the second one ?

[vocal basin]

this this the file structure?

Desktop/
  StackCastle/
    stackcastle/
      .git/

or this?

Desktop/
  StackCastle/
    .git/
    stackcastle/

[lapis sundial]

yup like this

[vocal basin]

in either of those two cases it has nothing to do with Git

unless you're messing with worktrees

[lapis sundial]

not dealing with that

[vocal basin]

just rename the directory like you would do that in Windows normally

[lapis sundial]

doesnt show for changes

when wanting to push

[vocal basin]

you want it to look like this, right?

Desktop/
  Stackcastle/
    .git/
    stackcastle/

are you hosting it on GitHub? or somewhere else?

[lapis sundial]

hosting on github

[lapis sundial]

this is the thing that happened when i merged.

[vocal basin]

did you copy the repo into itself?

or is it something nestedly named intentionally?

[lapis sundial]

wasnt intentional was just merged with my upper/lowercase differences

[vocal basin]

!d functools.total_ordering

[wise cargo]

functools.total\_ordering

@functools.total_ordering```
Given a class defining one or more rich comparison ordering methods, this class decorator supplies the rest. This simplifies the effort involved in specifying all of the possible rich comparison operations:

The class must define one of `__lt__()`, `__le__()`, `__gt__()`, or `__ge__()`. In addition, the class should supply an `__eq__()` method.

For example:

[vocal basin]

@tepid edge

can you show what you were trying to fix initially -- how it looks in GitHub?

[lapis sundial]

alr

gives unneccesary complexity when wanting to import functions

[vocal basin]

you have this

.git/
stackcastle/
  Stackcastle/
    ...

you want this

.git/
stackcastle/
  ...

right?

[lapis sundial]

yes

[vocal basin]

git mv stackcastle/Stackcastle/* stackcastle

then without the /*

[lapis sundial]

wrong folder hold up

[vocal basin]

also yes

[lapis sundial]

even then

[vocal basin]

how many files are in that directory?

have you considered just moving the directory normally and re-git adding everything?

[lapis sundial]

should only be 2 but theres 3

[vocal basin]

just move the files manually to wherever they need to me, that's going to be easier

[lapis sundial]

alr

how is manually moving everything way easier while command line causes issues...

[lapis sundial]

now lets say i want to map out dictionaries from a already existing repo, instead of manually reading and writting them down is there any other way to find them without parsing through everything

[spare galleon]

import math
import time

class Passiveincome:
    
    def __init__(self, number):
        self.number = number
        
    def passive_counter(self):      
        self.number += 1
        time.sleep(1)
        
    def __str__(self):
        return str(self.number)
        
    def __add__(self, other):        
        return Passiveincome(self.number + other)
    
    def __iadd__(self, other):
        self.number += other
        return self
    
    def __radd__(self, other):
        return other + self.number
    
    def __eq__(self, other):
        return self.number == other


PASSIVEVENT = USEREVENT + 1

if event.type == PASSIVEVENT:
    main_counter += input_passive_income
    print(f"main counter is {main_counter}")
```ohhh god i remember making this years ago, its a class that gets passed into itself to create a passive income system for a clicker game

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[spare galleon]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/LVWA looking back at old projects is fun

[wild sonnet]

Can also try marimo

[astral coral]

fuck yeah, listening to the Andrew Hulshult remixes of the OG Doom scores

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAjZAQSSbM&list=PL2trYUpmh1eSosLpXYgjZlrHvOrbeU6aE

[astral coral]

better image -

[upper basin]

!e

a = []
if a:
  print("yeh")

[wise cargo]

:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[vocal basin]

the one you're working on?

okay

@somber trail please read our #rules and #code-of-conduct regarding publicly visible profiles (including profile descriptions)

@tepid edge it's automated and not a crawler => violates Terms of Service of the platform in question

[tepid edge]

!rule

[wise cargo]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[vocal basin]

!rule 5

[wise cargo]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[tepid edge]

I got misled by the screenshot

which talked about "the forum"

nvm

[vocal basin]

it was the user offering to provide help saying that they won't help on ToS breaking stuff

iirc

[tepid edge]

yeah I realize now that that's probably from the ToS of the site in question

and I was just slow on the uptake

mb

[tepid edge]

it's not possible to change the tags on a forum/help post after submitting it right?

[upper basin]

I've never tried it.

If you're worried, we usually just read the title, not the tags.

[tepid edge]

I haven't seen anything that would allow me to

I am only slightly hopeful anyone will have an answer given how niche my problem is

[upper basin]

I doubt it's niche.

And the staff themselves are quite diversely skilled. If they don't respond, one of the many other community members probably will.

Give them time to read.

[tepid edge]

oh I'm not complaining by any means

[upper basin]

I know.

I'll be back in a bit, AF.

[vocal basin]

I'm committing cursed networking stuff right now using mikrotik

[vocal basin]

yeah, that is a bit odd

[upper basin]

Added detection range.

Wondering what alert should do (when they are shooting at Banjo, but then lose sight of him). Right now it's like "Oh well, out of range. Back to my patrol. Whistles heartily".

[vocal basin]

@peak depot

[vocal basin]

add assertions

actively check the state

@upper basin if I understand correctly, learning how to deal with this bs is the point

[upper basin]

What I learned was to not create a situation where you have to carry others.

If you can avoid it, avoid it.

At work, people have to show proof they are working.

Quite literally, all of bachelor group projects was me coming up with the project, delegating imaginary tasks (because people never did anything), and then doing them myself, making a presentation, and if we HAD to do presentation with multiple people, to train them to read off the slide.

Until I made my own projects independently from uni, I never got a good team, a responsible team.

I got that in some of my hackathons, and projects.

[vocal basin]

cats are audibly asserting their priority over the meeting

[upper basin]

Honestly, if they don't work is fine with me. What's not fine is when they start arguing, and slowing the project for no reason or not listening to presentation (my image processing group presentation got lower marks because this girl in my team refused to look at the presentation in advance, and then tried to read off her phone and basically had to say I can't do it.).

[primal shadow]

Controls should depend on life

animation should continue wihtout life

[golden sonnet]

helloo👋

[wind raptor]

!stream 1297071424992841859

[wise cargo]

✅ @humble idol can now stream until <t:1743429707:f>.

[upper basin]

I'll be back after dinner.

I think I'm close to the issue.

[primal shadow]

Is this live action vibe coding?

[rugged root]

I sort of exist

That's the best I can offer today

[sour imp]

Reptar:

[vocal basin]

@sour imp did they name it Clippy

though that'd be more for Word

[primal shadow]

Push to talk is also pretty goiid

good*

IDK

doesn't really make "sense" to me

seems like...a bug more than a feature

[vocal basin]

isn't it just voice state change

[primal shadow]

I can stream when muted

I can unmute myself when streaming?

but then if I remute... no stream?

[vocal basin]

discord doesn't auto-stop the stream so does the checks on state changes

[primal shadow]

So is the stream not dying when the permission runs out a bug or feature/

Sounds like a bug

I get every other friday

and my wife on the other weeks

so every week

we get a big check or a little check

Many places don't get checks anymore

so paycheck is 🤷

I don't remember the last time I got a check

Steam is great

PS5 has cost you many experiences

Experiences 🙂

a headache is an experience

remove bad gif

the bunyans

no idea what the message is

so let's ignore that part

https://tenor.com/bqoUY.gif

The better bunyan

AI wouldn't be so smooth

AI would be warping all the other features

[rugged root]

!stream 1297071424992841859

[primal shadow]

this is human laziness

100%

[wise cargo]

✅ @humble idol can now stream until <t:1743432179:f>.

[primal shadow]

The whole face would be wobbling around

if it were AI

not a fan of that style

[languid scaffold]

mornin chat

[dire pebble]

colorUpLim = np.array([(hue+10)%180, (x := saturation+50) if x <= 255 else 255])

[languid scaffold]

i smashed my keyboard playing cod so now i type with this until further notice

[primal shadow]

x is undefined

we need more lines to understand where you get x from?

[vocal basin]

!d numpy.where

[wise cargo]

numpy.where

numpy.where(condition, [x, y, ]/)```
Return elements chosen from *x* or *y* depending on *condition*.

Note

When only *condition* is provided, this function is a shorthand for `np.asarray(condition).nonzero()`. Using [`nonzero`](https://numpy.org/devdocs/reference/generated/numpy.nonzero.html#numpy.nonzero) directly should be preferred, as it behaves correctly for subclasses. The rest of this documentation covers only the case where all three arguments are provided.

[primal shadow]

yes

[vocal basin]

you can't ternary the numpy

np.where((x := saturation+50) < 255, x, 255)

[primal shadow]

Yes there is!

If you want to NEVER be able to maintain it

make it like so

[vocal basin]

or inversed condition

[primal shadow]

The less code you write, the less maintenance you can do

so you're saving yourself future effort

[dire pebble]

colorUpLim = np.array([(hue+10)%180, x if (x := saturation+50) <= 255 else 255])
This the appropriate syntax

[vocal basin]

!d numpy.clip

[wise cargo]

numpy.clip

numpy.clip(a, a_min=<no value>, a_max=<no value>, out=None, *, min=<no value>, max=<no value>, **kwargs)```
Clip (limit) the values in an array.

Given an interval, values outside the interval are clipped to the interval edges. For example, if an interval of `[0, 1]` is specified, values smaller than 0 become 0, and values larger than 1 become 1.

Equivalent to but faster than `np.minimum(a_max, np.maximum(a, a_min))`...

[vocal basin]

use this

[primal shadow]

"feels good" until you revisit

in about 8 minutes

[vocal basin]

you're reimplementing np.clip

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble

[primal shadow]

You can do whatever you like, but making code "legible" is infinitely more useful than making code "look cool"

It's OK, it's inevitable to learn this concept if you keep up with programming

I used to love oneliners

Made me feel so smart

but revisiting them

often left me feeling dumb

so I don't do that anymore

[rugged root]

Then the Fire Nation attacked

[primal shadow]

And there was much steam

[dire pebble]

Imma vtake a look

[primal shadow]

firefox does that too I think

They stole it

People defend using edge 😱

[vocal basin]

U ← /=⊞<0.2_0.7 /+×⟜ⁿ1_2
I ← >⌵/ℂ: # Circle
u ← +0.1↧¤ ⊃(I0.95|⊂:0.5⇌°√)
A ← ×⊃U(I1) # Alpha
⍜°⍉(⊂⊃u A) -1÷÷2⟜(⇡↯2) 200

https://www.uiua.org/

[primal shadow]

It's so insane they don't use the browser you use

I know

MADNESS

Next you're gonna find out we don't all drive the same make/model

[languid scaffold]

i use google.com

[vocal basin]

clearly legibile

[wind raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-robin-hook-hooked-gif-24111036

[vocal basin]

note: image is the result of the code, not a part of the code

if you use duckduckgo, you use bing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Antarctica government clearly

[soft osprey]

i need help n python

[primal shadow]

#❓｜how-to-get-help is a good bit of reading

[soft osprey]

k

[vocal basin]

betting ads in CSGO are truly something
Russian company advertising to Russian users with Russian actors and Russian memes
during a European tournament using English language

[languid scaffold]

i lost 15lbs with that Hiroshima i just dropped

nuh uh

[wind raptor]

tmi

[languid scaffold]

nuh uh

get some sleep og

[soft osprey]

can anyone of ya help me immediatly

[vocal basin]

what do you need help with?

[wind raptor]

What is your issue?

[soft osprey]

it

the issue is i wanna have some condition be trigerred but it aint working it always triggered even if it is not supposed to be

[vocal basin]

@rugged root what was the last okay Pixel phone? 7? 8?

I forgot already

[wind raptor]

We need a bit more context than that. Do you have a code snippet? @soft osprey

[rugged root]

@minor flame Check the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

[soft osprey]

print("hello user")
need= input("calculator(c) or weight converter(w): ")
if need.upper() == "C"or"CALCULATOR":
first = input("first: ")
second = input("second: ")
sum = float(first) + float(second)
print("Sum:" + str(sum))
print("done")
mood= input("do you wanna know your weight (y) or (n): ")
if mood.upper() == "Y"or"YES":
weight = float(input("weight: "))
unit = input("in kg(k) or lbs(l): ")
if unit.upper() == "K":
converted = (weight // 0.45)
print("weight in pounds:" + (str(converted)))
print("done")
else:
converted = (weight * 0.45)
print("weight in kilograms:" + (str(converted)))
print("done")
else:
print("okay and you're done")
elif need.upper() == "W"or"WEIGHT"or"WEIGHT CONVERTER":
weight = float(input("weight: "))
unit = input("is it in kg(k) or lbs(l): ")
if unit.upper() == "K":
converted = (weight // 0.45)
print("weight in pounds:" + (str(converted)))
else:
converted = (weight * 0.45)
print("weight in kilograms:" + (str(converted)))
print("done")
mood2= input("do you wanna add numbers aswell yes(y) or no (n): ")
if mood2.upper() == "Y" or "YES":
first = input("first: ")
second = input("second: ")
sum = float(first) + float(second)
print("Sum:" + str(sum))
print("done")
else:
print("okay and you're done")

here you go

[soft osprey]

have a look mate

[wind raptor]

Where is it failing?

[vocal basin]

I bought 8 because 9 is way too expensive for me

at least with the resell price

iPhone has a higher risk of not working in Russia currently

[soft osprey]

well where it says do you wanna know your weight

if it isnt yes or y the else should trigger but it proceeds to ask weight

[primal shadow]

I've got the 9, I'm not hating it

But I did go from a $100 motorola

[vocal basin]

presumably all the ads xiaomi phones have are paying for their low price

[primal shadow]

It was a nice step

It made financial sense

[amber raptor]

Sure, not a concern for most but if you are in country that could have that happen to you

[vocal basin]

I considered getting a Motorola phone of around the same price as the Pixel

[amber raptor]

China is another place that could start happening

[primal shadow]

$530 or so for a year of service + a phone, instead of my old rate of... 396 a year for service

and next year my service will be significantly cheaper, since I won't have a phone bundled into the price

[soft osprey]

due jelp me

[primal shadow]

help us help you

answer the question instead of repeating the request

🙂

then we can do more for you

[amber raptor]

Let him do his own homework

[wind raptor]

if mood.upper() == "Y"or"YES": It's this line

or doesn't work like that

[vocal basin]

@rugged root maybe that's Spanish

[wind raptor]

you need to restate the argument

if mood.upper() == "Y" or mood.upper() == "YES":

[vocal basin]

being able to replace the OS in case stuff happens was the main priority, a good phone is just a bonus to that

out of recent phones seems like Pixel are the only ones that are available here

[primal shadow]

I prefer if thing in list

isntead of if thing == one or thing == two or thing == three

[vocal basin]

uppercasing is a bit more canonical given the history of character sets

you just remove a bit

[soft osprey]

i did give you what you neeed to help me

[vocal basin]

also this

[rugged root]

I like if "yes".startswith(mood.lower()):

[vocal basin]

though probably a tuple or a set instead of a list

[soft osprey]

isnt what i wrote also work

[wind raptor]

No

[vocal basin]

""

[wind raptor]

Which is why is doesnt

[soft osprey]

imma try what you say

see if it works

[languid scaffold]

also jus lyk even if you type ''w'' for weight conversion it still pulls out a calculator

[soft osprey]

ye that happens

[wind raptor]

!or-gotcha

[wise cargo]

The or-gotcha

When checking if something is equal to one thing or another, you might think that this is possible:

# Incorrect...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

While this makes sense in English, it may not behave the way you would expect. In Python, you should have complete instructions on both sides of the logical operator.

So, if you want to check if something is equal to one thing or another, there are two common ways:

# Like this...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or favorite_fruit == 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

# ...or like this.
if favorite_fruit in ('grapefruit', 'lemon'):
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

[wind raptor]

check this out @soft osprey ^^

[soft osprey]

thanks mate am trying to do that wait and i will tell results

[rugged root]

Should I have done ''?

[wind raptor]

No problem!

[rugged root]

Or what do you mean

[vocal basin]

as in gets triggered by that

[rugged root]

Oh wait what?

I guess that's not terrible if you want it as your default, though

Didn't think about that

[languid scaffold]

'' vs ' '

[primal shadow]

Home defense?

With an AR15?

lol

Shotgun or a pistol...

maybe an SMG but that's just... lol

[vocal basin]

pick one or the other, enforce style automatically

[primal shadow]

More like CQ Offense

[languid scaffold]

i see what he did there

[primal shadow]

Why is Microsoft shitty?

[soft osprey]

bro now it wont ask me if i wanna use the calculator after i chose the weight converter it just ends after telling me the weight

[primal shadow]

The 90's called, we foudn out then

not much has gotten better since

overall they've gotten worse?

[vocal basin]

~~developers ~~devopses devopses devopses devopses devopses

[primal shadow]

github, code stealing for AI

how generous of them

Ah

good raitonaly

No, I'm saying shittiness is shittiness

🤷

[upper basin]

github is a nice tool though.

[primal shadow]

Microsoft is one of the biggest evils

[upper basin]

Makes a good resource.

[primal shadow]

IT does

they have private repo access

lol

[vocal basin]

Codeberg is a good place just not for big commercial stuff

[rugged root]

I'm legitimately asking, I haven't kept up with that

[vocal basin]

@sour imp they do it for AI not with AI

[astral coral]

; _ ;

[primal shadow]

I'm not

so let's not use "everyone" because as mall subset

the vast majority of internet users are not scraping the internet

the VAST majority

And just because some people do not care about the standards an expectations, does not make it ok

no matter how big these assholes are

the "lesser of two evils" is such a strange way to justify terrible behavior

how about "say no to evil"

[vocal basin]

"maybe we should unSEO our websites"

[primal shadow]

When discussing shitty business practices

[vocal basin]

ChatGPT is very highly priced

[soft osprey]

yeah it worked thanks guys

[wise cargo]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[primal shadow]

$200 is so much for a consumer!

[vocal basin]

expensive and not profitable => others are very unlikely to be profitable either

[primal shadow]

Because people won't pay $500 a month if it's not beneficial

And?

Everyone has outside investors...

all these AI startups]

fighting for funding

not from magic portals, from VC

[vocal basin]

how much of Chinese AI companies' finances are government subsidies

[primal shadow]

Why should they not be chatting with us?

Scaling can be a bitch

that's where profits fall

If they haven't scaled to infinity

then it doesn't count for rabbit

Nope, it's impossible

[amber raptor]

Ton

[primal shadow]

you're wrong, he's right

that's it

There's no profitable unicorns

If you win the argument with Rabbit, you should be at work

lol

[languid scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-have-a-job-joshua-sharon-ahcraaap-i-dont-have-work-jobless-gif-17765375

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/0Mus.gif

winning a battle with Rabbit

👆

[languid scaffold]

🍉

[primal shadow]

https://tenor.com/0MuR.gif

[languid scaffold]

🍗

❌

[vocal basin]

investors not caring about profitability during initial investment is quite a common thing

[primal shadow]

Generally why they need investors

No money

Gotta spend to make

[languid scaffold]

scared money dont make money

[amber raptor]

Sure but if you have profitable AI company, investors should be lining up to chuck money at you to scale to the moon since current companies are losing money at insane rate

[vocal basin]

nothing bad with being late at adopting a technology

[languid scaffold]

does china have the real ai

[vocal basin]

Deepseek was trained within China, but training data for it was questionably sourced

[primal shadow]

No one has real AI

So paying several people a few hundred k a year should be easy

since they're making a profit

This is madness IMO

[amber raptor]

What is madness

[primal shadow]

Your demands

and expectations

"Scale to the moon"

means not millions?

I imagine billions if we're to the moon

[languid scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[amber raptor]

Scaling as in it seems to be beyond small business

[upper basin]

Fancy autocomplete?

[amber raptor]

Close enough for discussion

[primal shadow]

AI does what?

What can I rely on AI for?

[upper basin]

Ok.

[languid scaffold]

i personally dont thinks its ''better'' prolly just more modern imo i could be wrong tho

idk much abt ai

[open moth]

i wanna cry so hard rn
i had to spend 4 hours debugging code. at last realised i was using wrong endpoints.

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor @rugged root I think something has has gone wrong lmao

[wind raptor]

wtf

[amber raptor]

Someone took out role check?

[astral coral]

@vocal basin !voice :L