voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

okay at least here it seems like things are relatively peaceful for now

my assumption that they were just moving here to ask they same thing was wrong, apparently

parabolic

@maiden depot aluminum is canonical

[maiden depot]

aluminum

[vocal basin]

the naming later got corrected

[maiden depot]

aluminium

[gentle flint]

alumium

[vocal basin]

alumnium

[gentle flint]

alumum

alum

[vocal basin]

aluminum is the original name
aluminium is the correct name

[maiden depot]

alu

[gentle flint]

um?

[maiden depot]

have = hast

hate = hasst

[vocal basin]

@gentle flint

[gentle flint]

average swiss person be like
chüchichästli

[main comet]

https://tenor.com/view/jamiroquai-grab-arin-alevira-gif-27675785

https://tenor.com/view/femboy-gif-3530100253922840580

[vocal basin]

reminds of

[maiden depot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random

[vocal basin]

"someone who Douglas Crockford mentioned in his talks"

[gentle flint]

the top or the bottom one?

[vocal basin]

Marie Kondo

[maiden depot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

[main comet]

of your mother?

[vocal basin]

I had micro sd cards that just didn't work to begin with

tape drives

also, yes, backups

[gentle flint]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=grA5XmBRC6g

[primal shadow]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-updates-us-travel-advice-after-citizens-detained/a-71980369

[main comet]

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/constitutional-amendments-amendment-13-abolition-slavery

[primal shadow]

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[vocal basin]

I made some amount of progress on the stub generator

I'm reusing its own parser

the project's parser

not the one you showed

the binding code has parser for its own docs

it's easier to user this one, especially given it's already been tested for html-from-docs generation

apparently the parser isn't there

it's part of hata itself

not the core library

[upper basin]

Do I have noise coming from my mic?

I see myself getting green sometimes when I'm not talking.

[modest fractal]

funny memes found here jajaja

[vocal basin]

I'll go check if people in the other channel finally managed to find a dictionary/anything resembling it or not yet

okay seems like that talk is over

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @tall edge until <t:1742695981:f> (10 minutes) (reason: burst spam - sent 8 messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[vocal basin]

!tvmute 857449965202833408 2w spamming messages to pass the voice gate is not allowed

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @tall edge until <t:1743905042:f> (14 days).

[somber heath]

https://imgur.com/BOwTD7O 🔊

[primal shadow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downstream

The EPA is Evil

https://tenor.com/bfCxt.gif

[woeful sierra]

yo

[primal shadow]

https://pyweek.org/p/43/

[somber heath]

@analog frigate 👋

[tall edge]

hell

hello*

[analog frigate]

@somber heath hi

[upper basin]

Love the claymotion one.

Ohh ya

[upper basin]

Can you make the banjo made from a spoon?

[storm jewel]

suppp guyss

[primal shadow]

alomost there

[storm jewel]

sounds kinda wrong haha

[primal shadow]

ah, it is wrong\

I should be asleep

[lean galleon]

sup

[primal shadow]

instead I'm making frogs

[lean galleon]

i should wake up

[storm jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-10325607249432510283

[storm jewel]

how about samurai turtle vs samurai snake illustration

[somber heath]

KISS frog.

[storm jewel]

sounds like the story of a movie

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL1NhrsmUF0

[storm jewel]

pretty quiet

[mystic yarrow]

@storm jewel mujhe python me help chahiye

[storm jewel]

scene just before frog sama pulls his sword

[mystic yarrow]

in fast api backend

[storm jewel]

no mic verification here bro

[mystic yarrow]

lets go to tux svr

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[storm jewel]

currently on phone lets talk later

[mystic yarrow]

could you give the approx time

when

[storm jewel]

is that bear sneaking up on mr frog?

[upper basin]

Get to da bird fish!

[wheat ferry]

hi

[vestal flare]

ora ora @astral coral

kingdom of ora ora

nice drawing actually

[wheat ferry]

im unable to draw anything using the paint

[vestal flare]

tbh its actually a skill to draw using mouse

[wheat ferry]

is he really using a mouse to draw all thAT?

CRAZY skill lol

i thought maybe using a pen

[vestal flare]

yessirrr

u need crazyy control

[wheat ferry]

yep

is that a dog or cat?

put sticks or bats on those fish

yeah

nice

is it like a gif?

[dense path]

@young matrix

@young matrix Bro i cant open my mic bro

@young matrix abe bhai

@young matrix mai hu money

bhul gya

bhai tum tho

😆

[whole bear]

@astral coral are you familiar with one point perspective technique?

landscapes are cool

why mspaint brr

everyone knows brain is for cooling blood

I wonder what the color of the shit of a shit-colored creature

[whole bear]

USA saves the day again! 🙏

[astral coral]

@somber heath you too man, enjoy your tea

[astral coral]

@naive basalt gonna catch up on the sleep I lost, was nice meeting you

[naive basalt]

likewise. maybe check out finn taylor comic

[astral coral]

urgh tired but can't sleep ¬¬

[vocal basin]

a whole 480p

[obsidian dragon]

!paste @young matrix

[wise cargo]

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[scarlet dust]

Enhance Your Performance with Optimized Packages

CachyOS does compile packages with the x86-64-v3, x86-64-v4 and Zen4 instruction set and LTO to provide a higher performance. Core packages also get PGO or BOLT optimization.

https://somegit.dev/ALHP/ALHP.GO

[vocal basin]

Astro is quite nice for generating HTML

[scarlet dust]

https://astro.build/

[vocal basin]

they tried to build their own templating language, but in the end gave up and used JSX just like React

AI will slow down learning, so keep that in mind if your goal is to learn and not just create some mediocre product quickly

(if you use it for generating code instead of just a keyword-to-more-keywords generation machine)

I think I hate raspberry pi 4

how do I check which one it actually is

@faint raven

had to find that via a slightly non-conventional way

i.e. running lshw inside of a container instead of directly on the host

[whole bear]

What exactly is HDR?

[vocal basin]

in the context of images and stuff?

imagine getting tired of doing the same thing

[scarlet dust]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/

Steam

Tiny Glade

Tiny Glade is a relaxing free-form building game. Tap into the joy of making something pretty with no management, no combat, or wrong answers - just kick back, doodle some castles, and turn forgotten meadows into lovable dioramas.Explore gridless building chemistry, and watch the game carefully assemble every brick, pebble and plank, adapting to...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

17458

▶ Play video

[vocal basin]

I have it bought and installed but I never played it

I have a lot of games that are "very nice" I just can't get myself to play games generally

except minesweeper

https://minesweeper.online/game/4419746566

I still have not played a single call of duty game

please don't spread links to illegitimately acquired copies of software in chats on this server

[rigid merlin]

oh true i send private

[scarlet dust]

bruh i already have it

[rigid merlin]

all good

[vocal basin]

do people this days really feel entitled to getting everything for free

[rigid merlin]

nah, just test the game and if its a good game download it legit

on steam

i did the same with elden ring

[vocal basin]

you can refund games on steam

[rigid merlin]

yeah but im too lazy

[whole bear]

In appearance of windows 11 and video quality of windows 11

I have oled display

[vocal basin]

@scarlet dust I have such portable screen but normally don't use it as a second laptop monitor

instead, as a screen for mini pcs

and whatever else that isn't placed near a screen already

[iron geyser]

👀

[vocal basin]

@faint raven language

[vocal basin]

there is this quite fun game I randomly discovered
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2143680/_Noctuary/

Steam

Noctuary

Noctuary is a dual-protagonist Visual Novel. Players can play the role of the duo, Fancia Dream and Alina Nightsong who have dreams of "becoming Arborangers who protect and serve everyone." Travel through the fairy-tale-like world as the duo, experience their lively daily adventures, and gradually encounter the life story of a mysterious girl wh...

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

1350

▶ Play video

but I'm, like, 95% sure it's Chinese spyware

it's half-VN half-combat

the story is unexpectedly cursed

it's way way more depressive that what the store page makes it look like

to be fair, that is an effective way to prevent garage from being usable

it that is the goal

[obsidian dragon]

want me to remofe the spy or the ware?

[vocal basin]

the ese

[obsidian dragon]

Success! results -> [Redacted]

[vocal basin]

source: netstat, specifically open UDP ports

[obsidian dragon]

it's an offline version

[vocal basin]

SSH port forwarding is great

-L mostly

netstat describes what's connected/listening

[woeful blaze]

How are you doing today?

[vocal basin]

I've never picked up configuring many users/groups on servers

containers for access segregation are somewhat simpler

[hasty orbit]

this reminds me of YTMND

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor C+

it's Arduino's own dialect of C/C++

micropython

I haven't written anything serious in C yet

[hasty orbit]

i used this on an ESP32 at one point but i realised it wasn't appropriate for my usecase

still cool though

[vocal basin]

the most advanced thing I wrote in C so far was B-Tree and AVL Tree implementations

with bindings in Python

[vocal basin]

(with on-disk storage)

... obviously not durable

but thread-safe

nowadays I'd rather use Zig for such purposes

[vestal flare]

hi ❤️

[vocal basin]

and only after that, if necessary, making a C-only rewrite to exist alongside Zig

[vestal flare]

any one has experience with VPS and running python code on it

[vocal basin]

I highly recommend checking if your cloud provider allows container hosting instead of a VPS

also, important question: do you need a public IP for your server?

[vestal flare]

well, vps fits my budget only

[vocal basin]

containers are cheaper

[vestal flare]

i just wnna run my python code on it at specified times

idk about ip

[vestal flare]

u know any nice providers for it?

[vocal basin]

is the workload long-running or is it just a short cron-like task?

[vestal flare]

10 mins task, 4-5 different apis being called

10 * 10 times a day

100 mins a day total

[vocal basin]

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/sdk-for-javascript/v3/developer-guide/scheduled-events-invoking-lambda-example.html

[vocal basin]

this assumes the task is stateless (disk-storage-wise) and all data is persistent in external APIs you're calling

[vestal flare]

uhm

im not too technical to understand it xD

[vocal basin]

are you using a database? are you writing anything to files?

[vestal flare]

no, basically my code calls 4-5 apis and appends the data retrieved to google sheets

[vocal basin]

that is a near perfect usecase for AWS Lambda

or Cloudflare Workers

[vestal flare]

hmmmm

[vocal basin]

https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/configuration/cron-triggers/

[vestal flare]

also whats the difference between a vps / containers

like what do u use for what

im getting a vps for 10 bucks a month

[vocal basin]

VPS: you get a VM with RAM (and, often, CPU) pre-allocated
container: resource sharing with other containers, either yours or someone else's

provisioning a container is cheaper than a VM both in terms of CPU and RAM;
the thing you lose is resources being strictly allocated to you, there is no promise you're in control of them at all times

each VM gets is own OS kernel

all containers on a single server share the OS kernel

VM virtualises hardware, containers virtualise system calls

[vestal flare]

okay

[vocal basin]

AWS Lambda/Cloudflare Workers go a step further: you aren't running anything continuously

[vestal flare]

and which one would be better if i also have to perform some scheduled scraping using selenium

[vocal basin]

instead, they provision resources when a request is made/an event happens

[vestal flare]

got it

[vocal basin]

how many RAM does your task use?

[vestal flare]

uhh when i tried on my pc it used around 1.5 gigs

a few chromium windows are opened

[vocal basin]

what are the specs?

[vestal flare]

16 gigs ram seems good i think

[vocal basin]

so that's an early/promotional price

[vocal basin]

note: this is without free tier

for the first year it's $0.00 with this number of requests

[vestal flare]

hmm, im actually a data analyst so i dont have much experience with cloud stuff, dunno how can i get started xD

im basically looking for a simple remote desktop where i can just schedule tasks, like webscraping, api calls

gonna research some more

thanks for helping @vocal basin

much appreciated

[vocal basin]

30 * 10 -> 300 requests
1.5 * 60 -> 90 GB*seconds

if the maths is right

$5 seems to be just minimum for non-free-tier

[vestal flare]

this is aws?

[vocal basin]

Cloudflare

but, Cloudflare Workers actually expects shorter requests

so the pricing might be working very differently from that unofficial calculator

[vocal basin]

^ this is AWS (official)

[vestal flare]

apparently it requires JS

[vestal flare]

mines in python

[vocal basin]

Cloudflare

as for AWS: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/lambda/latest/dg/lambda-python.html

[vestal flare]

lemme seeee

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor "not yet jaded enough"

[amber raptor]

Python serverless is a trap!

[vestal flare]

why

[vocal basin]

import times

and package support

and maybe other things

if you need many requests, Python is problematic

[vestal flare]

if u were in my position what would u choose!!

[vocal basin]

kubernetes/docker it instead?

[vestal flare]

for this basically

@amber raptor opinion appreciated!

[vocal basin]

or rewrite it in JS

[vestal flare]

🥲

vps

?

[vocal basin]

@amber raptor the usecase is a long-running rarely-called request

as long as whatever you do fits the model, it runs fine;
but the model is quite limited

if you need to get something running quickly, shove the thing onto Lambda and go figure out docker later/in parallel

do not make whatever you do rely on Lambda

[vestal flare]

omfg

[vocal basin]

block storage probably

step 1: get Python running in a container locally
step 2: run the container wherever

if you don't want Lambda/Workers

[vestal flare]

so docker is basically

??

i put my code in it and

it makes it

run anywhere in same way!?>

[vocal basin]

you create an image, that image can be turned into a running container wherever docker runs

[vestal flare]

oh and i can run docker in a VPS TOO?

[vocal basin]

generally yes

[vestal flare]

got it

[vocal basin]

docker and podman should just work on a vps as is

if it's running Linux

[vestal flare]

okay

mine is a hp

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8xFlJnMCEYc

[vocal basin]

zenbook is somewhat okay, in my experience

[vestal flare]

gaming laptops sucks

[vocal basin]

I bought the laptop mainly for 22hours battery in idle and 10hours in relatively active use

[vocal basin]

works fine with Linux, but you need to configure the touchpad and fingerprint scanner manually

[vocal basin]

this is AMD

[vestal flare]

wtf

10 hours

which one is that

[vocal basin]

ASUS ZenBook 14 UM3402

I bought non-OLED one

[near niche]

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/30133706/

[vocal basin]

JS isn't that bad performance-wise

they probably just wrote the transpiler/interpreter improperly, not an inherent JS issue

[vocal basin]

there's a brainfuck-to-JS transpiler and it outperforms the naïve Rust implementations

because it optimises everything it can out of the code

!paste

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[vocal basin]

this even supports multi-file if you need that

"just make a temporary repository on your own Git host and share that"

[jade mountain]

is tar bomb a thing?

[vocal basin]

there needs to be like a pastebin for Git stuffs

[jade mountain]

i was gonna say put it in a tar first

[vocal basin]

isn't raw .tar without compression?

[jade mountain]

tar.gz

[vocal basin]

zip bomb relies on compression

[near niche]

https://github.com/fffelix-jan/NeonRide

[vocal basin]

!d class

[wise cargo]

class

A template for creating user-defined objects. Class definitions normally contain method definitions which operate on instances of the class.

Similar names: label.class

[jade mountain]

lol

[vocal basin]

it truly is a gamble whether it'll link glossary or syntax reference

global almost always means it should be a class, yes

consider using uv for managing dependencies

[wind raptor]

!stream 217691138696413187

[wise cargo]

✅ @near niche can now stream until <t:1742748466:f>.

[vocal basin]

while the main uv shill, @scarlet dust, is away, I'm the uv shill

[real valve]

anyone else finding selp help books being 90 percent "motivation" by stories and like 10 percent actual useful information

what is the point of a math book if it is 90 percent he did this and she did that

they give you very broad strategy ideas, nothing else.

[vocal basin]

self-help books help their authors themselves to get rich or spread their ideology, primarily, helping readers is not the point

[real valve]

man i wish i knew

blew 60 bucks on nothing.

all just for " space out your practices" and "immerse yourself"

[vocal basin]

a book won't magically change your life, and just "having the necessary mentality" won't either;
hard work, of all different sorts, is required

and, no, "working 16 hours a day because whatever grind" is not hard work, it's a mindless waste of time

[real valve]

I know that you cant expect a whole new life by reading a book, but come on. It was just stories

I checked the ratings it was like 4,3

checked reviews people said it was mind opening and helped them become genius and whatnot

none of these help self books help you besides giving ideas.

Does anyone have some good books for either math physics computer science or chess

[vocal basin]

Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

[real valve]

Sounds cool, what is it about.

[vocal basin]

Elements of Programming

[real valve]

=

[vocal basin]

this is Lisp

[real valve]

Is it for syntax

[vocal basin]

this is C++

[real valve]

what is lisp

[vocal basin]

family of programming languages that started in late 1950s

[real valve]

is it the first generation?

[vocal basin]

it's the origin of interpreted programming languages

[real valve]

Aha so all languages are "sub" families of those

makes sense

any boosk for problem solving in general?

[vocal basin]

the specific dialect that the book uses is Scheme

[real valve]

what is a dialect

[vocal basin]

Scheme is the same language that JavaScript comes from

[real valve]

aha okay

[vocal basin]

like with natural languages, programming languages have various dialects

[thorny cedar]

Hey can someone help me

[vocal basin]

what do you need help with?

[thorny cedar]

I have a doubt 🤔

[vocal basin]

latest editions of SICP are in JS iirc

ruff is the way, yes

I have a project that I started ~5 years ago and it can still barely do anything

at least it compiles

I'm starting to get funny ideas, of reflection sort

maybe it's time for another trait

@scarlet dust unless not, the Ruby way

[whole bear]

wtw

what ya workin on @wind raptor

[near niche]

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/30133706/editor/

[scarlet dust]

1

[vocal basin]

base64'd UUIDs?

[real valve]

have anyone one of you guys tried make it stick the book?

if so, what is your opinion?

[vocal basin]

[key for key, pressed in enumerate(keys) if pressed]

[vocal basin]

or extend an existing one

wait I forgot what the current hierarchy of traits I have

[scarlet dust]

what traits are you making

[vocal basin]

I'll go update the published crate so it'd be easier to explain

I currently have two traits whose derivation is slightly weird:
Size and MaybeHasNiche (yes I'm definitely good at naming)

different size

for serialisation

the thing I want to add is something that would allow to inspect the byte layout of what's getting serialised

there's a bit over 10 derive macros in the project

4-ish days I think?

https://docs.rs/object-rainbow-derive

they're all relatively tiny

if oversimplified:
for the type, it returns Option<Vec<u8>>

if it's Some, then the byte value specified can never be serialised from that type

therefore the Option<T> can use that niche to represent None when serialised

[vocal basin]

https://docs.rs/object-rainbow/latest/src/object_rainbow/impls/option.rs.html

[storm jewel]

suppp guys

just roaming around

@scarlet dust

yepp, i dont have permissions yet

to turn on mic

so what are you upto

ahh i can feel that

[storm jewel]

ok this kinda sounds wrong

[vocal basin]

I have a single macro that takes, like, 500~800 lines of code

[storm jewel]

trying to write the tokeinzer for a compiler

and pretty exausted

regex compilers does count right?

yepp new to server

not to programming

yeahh just wanted to go a bit towards fundamentals

too much web dev can spoil you haha

people inhaled air - yet another JS framework exhaled

so you are in college?

orrr working?

ahh cool

discrete maths

hahah knew it

well maths is actually important but if you wanna deep dive in fundamentals

or reasearch in ML

whatever you do dont start with Langchain haha

for ML

yeahhhh

exactlyyy

AI powered Microwave

[vocal basin]

and uninstall it before it responds

[storm jewel]

and kids thats how the invasion started

so you have worked with blender a bit huh? @scarlet dust

[vocal basin]

https://docs.rs/ruchei

[storm jewel]

your profile

obv

this one looks cool - https://github.com/Victor-IX/Blender-Launcher-V2

[vocal basin]

I don't think I have much else publicly yet

there's https://docs.rs/ruw but it's a bit purpose-specific

[vocal basin]

mostly it's for implementing multicast over websocket

[storm jewel]

ai powered Blender CLI tool !!!!!!! @scarlet dust

[vocal basin]

outperforming ZeroMQ for many-to-many messaging is quite nice

[storm jewel]

yeah buts it AI POWERED!!!!

[storm jewel]

VCs all around

not until i have an assistant terminator

messed with what?

ahh noo

not really

mostly programming

[vocal basin]

integrate COBOL into Blender

it has some okay ideas

[storm jewel]

I made a program which used to write my assignments in my handwriting and return a pdf that i can send forward

[vocal basin]

it got updated in 2023

[storm jewel]

not really proud of that but yeah it helped my laziness

[vocal basin]

dead/old languages updated in 2023: C, C++, Fortran, COBOL, Java LTS, ColdFusion

[storm jewel]

yeah took me like a weekend it was pretty easy , more than i thought

pretty quiet here isnt it

[vocal basin]

scratchtopythonnery was happening earlier

[storm jewel]

well atleast i'll lift off me minimum 50 message limit with this chat

[scarlet dust]

!user

[wise cargo]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[vocal basin]

source for this is a bit insane

but it works

https://exercises.parrrate.com/ is probably the most useful of those all

random weird Rust stuff, mainly about traits

[storm jewel]

so what you working on in rust ?

@scarlet dust

ah so new to it

blender CLI in rust?

haha had a feeling

this is a pretty big server actually, havent even explored all the chats here

[vocal basin]

!server

[wise cargo]

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[storm jewel]

dayummm

i prefer VCs more than chats so..

[vocal basin]

I have most channels enabled

I very specifically have #1035199133436354600 hidden

[storm jewel]

fresher's pool?

[vocal basin]

there are some experience people asking for help there too

[storm jewel]

hey guys whats a decorator???

kinda questions?

i once saw a guy asking some LLM "Module not found error"

[short owl]

are you constantly drinking coffee to stay awake ? @vocal basin

[vocal basin]

I'm rarely ever consuming caffeine

at least not in a meaningful amount

[short owl]

no caffeine ? @vocal basin

[vocal basin]

I tried energy drinks twice, did not feel meaningful effect, so not trying again

[storm jewel]

maybe they made a tolerance for caffeine now

[short owl]

most of those drinks are like cough syrup @vocal basin

[storm jewel]

@scarlet dust broo i dont get high - yet another freshman

[vocal basin]

isn't cough syrup, like, opiate or whatever

(the cough syrup of lean sort that is)

[storm jewel]

it has some alcoholic content i guesss

[short owl]

taste like is broad reference @vocal basin

[vocal basin]

I've been once given an energy drink to try by someone
it was extremely sour

and there was no warning or whatever about that on the can

[short owl]

I think i tried , JOLT , didnt like it - cough syrup ish' @vocal basin

[vocal basin]

of course, since I'm the only one who can tolerate such sourness in the house, I had to finish it

[storm jewel]

seema like voice chat 1 people are actually talking

[subtle dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-anime-gif-24565564

random funny code works

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[whole bear]

I wish I could talk :<

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[whole bear]

u guys seem nice

[haughty pier]

https://fixupx.com/gatinarios/status/1903853706191499677

gatos fazendo gatices (@[e-mail])

eles voando no milho

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[whole bear]

I haven't been in the server for 3 days

I don't scream me promise :3

[haughty pier]

If anyone comes along looking for help with NixOS - feel free to @-me, I won't mind...

[somber heath]

@round folio 👋

[round folio]

hio

[somber heath]

@cursive bane 👋

[cursive bane]

hi

i hope all is well

[tacit crane]

math metrics

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[astral coral]

menu = main_menu(0,0)
MAINMENU.add(menu)

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoozYARtdpw

[somber heath]

Congee.

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU-VJOzb-10

[somber heath]

Fish in a Birdcage - Fish in a Birdcage
Fish in a Birdcage - Through the Tides.

Which?

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYK6CW8gdw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cg_DkU4j4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lNHWO0fY4

[whole bear]

elitist channel when

penalty for the novice

"channel"

[astral coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgcQUD-oxM

[whole bear]

beginners should be redirected to some kind of a FAQ channel at the least

[astral coral]

I got a question, rather an idea, just for shits and giggles, there's no real meaning too it but I like statisics and stuff, but having the Python bot track everyones timezones and when they are "idle" to see how many programmers keep their computers running at night/when they sleep and then convert that time into kwhs :L

hmmmm maybe I can guess

Python Discord Members: 399,283, According to GPT Standard Laptop: 30-60W → 45W avg, Gaming Laptop: 90-180W → 135W avg, Overall Laptop Average: (22.5 + 45 + 135) / 3 = 67.5W, Gaming PC: 300-600W → 450W avg, Workstation: 500-1000W → 750W avg, Overall Desktop Average: (105 + 450 + 750) / 3 = 435W, 67.5W + 435W = 502.5W, Avg Sleep length according to GPT 8 hours, 502.5Wh * 8 = 4,020Whs

4.02 KWhs * (20% of 400,000) 80,000 (a guess of how many users are a sleep at any given time, rounded) == 321600Kwhs

321600Kwhs * 24 = 7,718,400 Kwhs

🤯 Final Calculation
🔹 Nighttime Usage → 321,600 kWh per night
🔹 Daily (24h) Usage → 7,718,400 kWh per day
🔹 Yearly Usage → ~2.8 TWh (Terawatt-hours!)

For context, 2.8 TWh is:

Enough to power the entire city of San Francisco for a year 🌆⚡

Equivalent to ~1 million tons of CO₂ emissions (if using fossil fuels) 🌍💨

A bit less than Iceland's total electricity consumption 🇮🇸❄️

I know bad math but interesting thought experiment

thinking: 1) we're programmers, the odds are we have high end machines, keep them running 24/7, 2) Why do I do this shit to myself at 7am, 3) feel free to correct or make a better formula

[upper basin]

I tried energy drinks once, and only liked it because it tasted like sour green apple gummy. I prefer to just eat sour gummy instead.

[upper basin]

Toxic waste?

[upper basin]

Oh you're gonna love some of our sour snacks back home.

[whole bear]

!server

[wise cargo]

Server Information

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Members: 399,287

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[whole bear]

yeah just on some AI

not too bad

apprecaite that

Maybe friday

saterday afternoon

ill be on around 5

should take and hour maybe 2

The rigging itself probly

setting up classes aswel

Sounds like a great idea to me

[upper basin]

Wow

Just

Wow

You get an A for creativity for sure.

[vocal basin]

no

[whole bear]

no wat

[vocal basin]

.

[upper basin]

AF I think this guy is a troll getting past voice gate.

[whole bear]

ill be there soon ac

[upper basin]

I'm not talking to them, they're just spamming messages hehe.

[upper basin]

Usually there's not any for sour stuff.

None that I have seen.

Do you like sour stuff?

Or just drank it because you had to?

[dusky comet]

hello

that sucks

[woeful salmon]

hi 🙂

[vocal basin]

I have no problem with just quitting a conversation after making one correction without any further explanation

[dusky comet]

how goes it

[woeful salmon]

just working so its alright 🙂 going to order pizza soon too

[dusky comet]

i had pizza earilie, never a bad option to have a nice pepperoni

[vocal basin]

https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html#entry-is-individual-or-team-based

quite sure "as many members as you like" implies non-random

[woeful salmon]

probably was code jam then

[vocal basin]

I think beginners must be very actively taught out of "I'm a beginner, I can't do that" thinking
don't know much => don't know what's wrong and impossible => go wild and experiment

[upper basin]

FNG is a nice mindset.

They're dangerous because they are experimenting.

[mystic yarrow]

Hlo guys

[vocal basin]

kat probably knows if that's the case

[mystic yarrow]

What are you building nowadays

[upper basin]

Hello world. I am just starting coding.

[vocal basin]

Notion is being very unhappy with me again

[waxen haven]

task:
UNION SELECT NULL -- -'
UNION SELECT NULL,NULL -- -'
bro write a python file that increase null till 10 null add .

[mystic yarrow]

wow

[upper basin]

Stuck on what to write afterwards. I have run out of things to say hello to.

[vocal basin]

anyway, can't pull the answer out of there

[waxen haven]

anyone going to do ? can share screen

[vocal basin]

@upper basin those PRs don't include anything typing-related

in this case this particular format is used by one single project

there are no type hints in that project

and likely never will be any

I have no idea

stylistic preference allegedly

also existing tooling for parsing and html generation

[upper basin]

!pypi docstub

[wise cargo]

docstub v0.2.1

Generate Python stub files (PYI) from docstrings

Released on <t:1717199352:D>.

[dusk glacier]

@woeful salmon hi bro

[woeful salmon]

hello

[upper basin]

Archer

Venture Bros

[woeful salmon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT_Kats:_The_Radical_Squadron

[waxen haven]

@woeful salmon mine still 720p 😂

[vocal basin]

it's solved in 2^N-1 I think

[woeful salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhxIOAfDss @upper basin

he solves it with recursion in this xD

[whole bear]

If everyone of you gave me 2 dollars, I would be a millionaire

[upper basin]

Let's test it out. Give me 1 buck.

[whole bear]

PayPal please

I can eventually buy 0.01 % of Russia with this amount of money

And I will rename it as banana

Citizen would be called minion

[astral coral]

@upper basin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wsr_loQO84

best game

[whole bear]

And next day we will conquer Russia with the goal to unite Russia back!

Rate my nonsense from 1 to 10

Bye

[vocal basin]

rewatched this again
https://youtu.be/RCFEGFcXAy0

[wise loom]

https://asim.dev/images/asim-ngn-sl.jpg

[upper basin]

Thought Python or C++ or C would be there.

Or Rust.

Java and Perl seem like odd options.

Wasn't C a big hit?

[vocal basin]

only 2 years after release

Rust does whatever it can to make method chaining possible

including .await syntax

most would involve data structures

you should probably factor it out as a separate structure and solve the problem independently from the system

@wise loom it's completely unrelated to home computing for now

wattage question is somewhat irrelevant for now

at least for consumption/costs/whatever

[vocal basin]

(in terms of "energy efficiency")

it does matter for cooling though, yes

also comparing energy efficiency wouldn't really make sense if you're using for proper purposes

[woeful salmon]

i looked at that very late but ye i'm not a huge fan of rust but its just personal preference. its definitely easier than C but i just like working with C / C++ much better

[vocal basin]

since it's going to be orders of orders more capable at the problems regular CPUs can't even approach

C++ is just wrong in way too many places, so I avoid it as much as possible

and fixing it is not a realistic goal

Rust can afford undoing mistakes, C++ can't

[woeful salmon]

i don't feel like its so bad its just bloated

[vocal basin]

it's not about bad or good, it's about correctness

it's nearly impossible to write correct software in C++ unless you know all the edge cases

[woeful salmon]

yeah i agree there if i'm making some large software for a coorporate which needs to be as reliable as possible i'd lean towards rust too

but for my personal projects i just enjoy the process of writing the C or C++ code, running into those edge cases that i don't know, learn from them and then just feel much more satisfied

it feels more like a puzzle and makes me think which i like 🙂

rather than the language just not letting me do things as i please to be safe

[vocal basin]

(C doesn't have those edge cases)

[woeful salmon]

any of them? >->

[vocal basin]

the most popular ones involve implicit operator behaviours

especially with regards to copy constructors

C++ by default copies a lot

there are quite many language defects in that area; e.g. how it doesn't properly auto-define all the move/whatever constructors

instead defaulting to copying

[woeful salmon]

i see what you're talking about now o-o

[vocal basin]

&/&& implicit conversions are often wrong too

[potent carbon]

Command not found

Command "/&&" is not found

[vocal basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V195P3Tv_8

another complete mess is with templates

concepts are still not properly in the language

only marker concepts are included

[vocal basin]

templates are such a wrong implementation of generic programming that the author of the term tried to avoid using it

because so many people believed templates to be synonymous to generics

thankfully that's not as popular of a misinterpretation nowadays

Rust/TypeScript/Haskell/Java/etc./etc. generics are closer to proper ones

Python too

[woeful salmon]

i got what you mean now i was just thinking more of how you use the language meanwhile you were talking about the language design

[vocal basin]

(a famous example is std::vector<bool>)

[woeful salmon]

but yeah fair enough c++ isn't really a well designed language anymore

[vocal basin]

it was well designed initially but then the regular committee stuff happened

[teal crystal]

@upper basin do you have assignment to do, what is that??

[vocal basin]

language designers don't come up with std::vector<bool>, committees do

[upper basin]

One later. I have to make a django sth.

[vocal basin]

watch all Sean Parent talks, you'll understand C++ way better, even for casual-ish use of it

(and, by extension, many programming concept in general, not only C++ specifically)

[teal crystal]

what you have to make? why are you searching for quantum related thing?

[vocal basin]

(the more popular ones, also relatively simple to understand~~ after watching, like, 10 times~~)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGcVXgEVMJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULU6Hhp42w

[woeful salmon]

i am aware c++ has really bad design in many ways but i just have a much more of a fun time writing c++ code over rust code for most usecases i've had so far, which could ofcourse just be a matter of getting used to it as i have used c++ way more than i have rust

design wise i've used worse languages too though..

[vocal basin]

the theoretical design behind C++ isn't that bad

see, for example, Elements of Programming (the book)

[woeful salmon]

well for javascript both the theory and the implementation are both fked xD

[vocal basin]

JS has no theory

[vocal basin]

first talk is basically just about forcing Rust-like design patterns onto C++ without mentioning Rust even once

[woeful salmon]

ah that reminds me they are adding a burrow checker to c++ right? o-o

[vocal basin]

OCaml

maybe C++ too idk

C++ is getting linear algebra

[vocal basin]

it's like carcinisation with everything turning into typeclasses[ instead of everything turning into crabs]

[woeful salmon]

https://safecpp.org/draft.html its just a proposal

i mean the burrow checker

[gaunt haven]

C++ loses ground to languages perceived as safer and more modern
😂
https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2025/p3651r0.pdf

[vocal basin]

I don't think of languages as modern/non-modern as much anymore

[gaunt haven]

hey there!

[vocal basin]

language evolution stopped in 1960s, we're just moving things around a bit

[gaunt haven]

Package managers?

a better toolchain management system

[vocal basin]

I mean languages themselves, toolchain excluded

[gaunt haven]

also these are more peripheral

[vocal basin]

toolchain being perceived as part of the language is indeed a new thing

started in approximately whenever smalltalk happened I'd assume

[gaunt haven]

but I would say it's a good thing that they are being considered as part of the core language experience by "newer" langs

[vocal basin]

I've been thinking of making a language that transpiles to C just to allow methods/reduce required parentheses count/whatever else syntax adjustments I might want

one of the things I want being suffix dereferencing instead of prefix

[gaunt haven]

a.* ?

[vocal basin]

ptr... instead of ***ptr

[gaunt haven]

oh i thought like zig does ptr.* instead of *p. Is there any lang that uses ptr...?

[woeful salmon]

not for dereferencing a pointer but javascript uses that sytax for unpacking / splating

[gaunt haven]

oh

thanks

oh yeah that is also used for spreading in rust too

i forgot 😅

[vocal basin]

value.method(arg)     =>  method(value, arg)
ptr..method(arg)      =>  method(*ptr, arg)
value.fn_ptr.(arg)    =>  value.fn_ptr(arg)
ptr..fn_ptr.(arg)     =>  value->fn_ptr(arg)

@upper basin @molten pewter the logo:

@primal shadow VSCode annoyed me enough that now I'm doing this questionable thing I suggested earlier:

/* */ a
    , b
    , c

so that it doesn't misalign accidentally

@woeful salmon tbf Tesla itself does that too automatically so they aren't liable

[woeful salmon]

i'm not saying anything about tesla or how the cars are, i'm not a car person so i don't really know enough to say anything about it, i'm just saying its unlikely you flinch twice in the exact same way and at the exact moment before impact twice when 1 of the was hitting a cloth with a car and another time a styrofoam wall

[vocal basin]

Tesla cars are known to turn off their slightly advanced drive assist automatically in such cases

Bitcoin right now is this weird hybrid of corporatocracy and criminals (mostly real criminals and a negligible percentage of people who are politically/whatever prosecuted)

the independence/decentralisation of decision process of how Bitcoin evolves is dead

same for Ethereum

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/castle-in-the-sky-studio-ghibli-rock-gif-12080205647029664852

[vocal basin]

both are openly centralised, so you kind of have to accept it

most other chains too

Monero is too opaque to definitively judge whether it is

[somber heath]

The world blows up along with everyone. Bitcoin drops to zero. Ta-da!

Giant meteor. Rocks fall, everybody dies.

[vocal basin]

rich PayPal people and rich Bitcoin people largely intersect

I have no idea how paypal is spelt

[woeful salmon]

true but the experiment was which technology is better when it is working, and when it was turned off it isn't really working so i just don't get why he wouldn't just re-run it when it was pretty easily re-runnable without the styrofoam

[somber heath]

@dim yarrow 👋

Monero - The blackest of moustaches.

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter "illegal" varies across the world

"banking the unbanked" I've never heard in Monero-related discussions

it's very a Bitcoin/scam coin thing to do

for Monero it's far from being an ideological priority

not their thing

[somber heath]

Libertarianism - A diet of the freedoms of others.

[vocal basin]

it happens to be usable for that, including for political reasons, but it's not something that gives purpose/main value to the currency

[somber heath]

What the fuck kind of soccer matches do you go to?

I could agree that some might, but all, no.

[vocal basin]

if football fans actually played football:

[somber heath]

Like, backyard soccer between friends, say.

That's not especially likely to devolve to slaughter.

"Sorry, the goalie has a nuke."

I don't think I trust little Timmy with the launch codes.

Fat pie: The Latest Model.

David Firth, animator.

Of Salad Fingers fame.

[primal shadow]

Whatcha makin ace?

[upper basin]

My tutorial for a course. Just getting it out of the way for pyweek.

I have to make a simple Django website. Just reading the docs for a tutorial.

[primal shadow]

I imagine war

would be the quickest way for some US territory to go to another country

[vocal basin]

Alyaskinskaya Narodnaya Respublika by 2027?

[primal shadow]

Still not confident the US would give up nearly 10% of its GDP for nothin

What tutorial/

is it like... mandated?

[somber heath]

But what if stigginit?

[astral coral]

meow meow

[primal shadow]

So why this django tutorial and not a different backend tutorial?

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor Flask recently became less hateable

it's ASGI now too

[primal shadow]

I've generally for a long time preferred flask to django

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

[astral coral]

I like flask

[vocal basin]

I don't

[astral coral]

oof

:L

you're a much better programmer than me, I heel

:L

[vocal basin]

Flask's simplicity is kind of not entirely real

request being a global variable is insanity

[somber heath]

Wouldn't that be woof, then?

[vocal basin]

* not

[astral coral]

shush you

:L

[vocal basin]

FastAPI I definitely see as a simpler option

[astral coral]

I've been meaning to ask the difference

[primal shadow]

Is that like, having no idea what's going on?

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor "AI coding under influence?"

you can use FastAPI even if you for whatever reason don't want to use async def

[scarlet cobalt]

Hi

[vocal basin]

and Quart is dead presumably

[upper basin]

I thought vibe coding is coding in a pretty IDE with lofi music on.

[vocal basin]

AI bros don't even know English what else do you expect

[astral coral]

"This file type might be dangrous, download anyway?" YES GOOGLE IM THE DICKHEADF WHO WROTE IT ¬¬

[vocal basin]

there's a non-zero probability "vibe coding" is what Grammarly suggested to one of those VCs

or whatever else pretend-you-wrote-it AIs

[astral coral]

!paste

[somber heath]

The name has caught on, so they've done something right, there.

[astral coral]

this is a backend I wrote, with heavy GPT assistance. it's the first proper one and how I learnt how to use it, I know its disgusting, don't rip my heart out lol - https://paste.pythondiscord.com/UDBA

[vocal basin]

remember: almost any single sentence you wrote manually is worth more to humanity and is more grammatically meaningful than all Grammarly produced output ever combined

[astral coral]

who said that?

[molten pewter]

https://www.warp.dev/

[primal shadow]

How much HP should a Lenovo Thinkpad have?

Not trying to remove yourself from the game

just building a tool to make the process easier

taking away the tedium of flipping through books

to enhance the experience for hte players

"skill"

https://tenor.com/jsxURdq5WYH.gif

vibe coding ^

Are we doing homework now?

Reading an assignment? THought we were talking bout the vibe

Flask is great, do that

problem solved

Fuck C#, fuck Microsoft Java

your front end is C#?

[upper basin]

The technique!

It's...mesmerizing.

[vocal basin]

Blazor? or whatever it's called

[upper basin]

Code in qrisp.

[primal shadow]

it's how you pet a small animal, one finger down the back

[upper basin]

qrisp is great for your case @near niche

[woeful salmon]

@upper basin i can join pyweek 🙂

i'm in

[upper basin]

YESSH

Yess

Kriss, we got Noodle!

[primal shadow]

Was pypy ever necessary?

[upper basin]

pypi I think he means?

[woeful salmon]

no

[near niche]

pypy

not pypi

[primal shadow]

pypi? the package index?

[woeful salmon]

pypy is jit compiler for python

[near niche]

no, the JIT Python

[primal shadow]

pypy is python in python

[vocal basin]

PyPy had some positive influence on Python as a whole

[near niche]

I tried it in the past and it was significantly faster

[primal shadow]

was it ever "necessary"?

[upper basin]

Best of luck, I'm gonna work on the banjo frog on a log.

[near niche]

but I heard 3.13 is now very fast on its own

so is pypy still worth using?

[primal shadow]

Is that what Django is for?

[vocal basin]

was CPython necessary?

[primal shadow]

The banjo frog?

[vocal basin]

I might be missing context

[primal shadow]

Django with a Banjo?

[upper basin]

No no that one is my tutorial for school.

[vocal basin]

I probably am

[upper basin]

I'm done with that.

[near niche]

I can't connect to the VC

[vocal basin]

but it sounded funny out of context

[near niche]

it's stuck on DTLS Connecting

[upper basin]

Now gonna rotate to frog.

@woeful salmon Come down noodle.

[vocal basin]

what browser are you using? do you have DNS-over-HTTPS enabled?

[near niche]

Brave, yes

but I'm in China

might have to do with the firewall

[vocal basin]

Chrome works worse in my experience than Firefox, with that same error

and Brave is Chrome iirc

[whole bear]

@near niche I do thing deepseek is better but x.ai is much better

In coding claude has no match

@near niche 20 bucks

USD

@near niche Dude it has free use as well

[vocal basin]

at least good that these Chinese AIs are normalising open-sourcing something even if it's almost the same thing you're providing as a service

[whole bear]

@near niche I liked your Portfolio Website, did you used pure css ?

[vocal basin]

non-open-source has always been hard to justify, and it's something that's quite expensive to upkeep

if you're Amazon, sure, you can do that

if you're Oracle, you literally don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what that means

[whole bear]

I liked it, it looks unique to me

[primal shadow]

Back to pypy?

[vocal basin]

@near niche look up graphs, depends on the task

default to CPython

if you want performance, bind to Rust code

as the easiest way

[vocal basin]

if you're trying to performance-measure Python, you're likely misusing it

the only justifiable-ish place for that is async

[whole bear]

No

Now a days it is go lang

[vocal basin]

because of just how good Python is for provisioning async tasks, it is somewhat excusable to do hundreds of thousands of things per second in Python itself there

[willow light]

I only use async in Python out of habit, I really should be using it in TypeScript more. Deno is love, Deno is life.

[vocal basin]

JS and Python have different asynchrony models

JS has better closures, Python has async with

and async for

[whole bear]

@near niche They are insecure, your aura is too much for 'em !

[willow light]

I do like async with and async for but I am trying to avoid becoming too dependent on them since they don't exist in other languages. Learning Python first has hurt my coding ability in other languages, because I get so pissed off about the lack of context managers. That's why I like defer so much in Go.

[whole bear]

Let's jump!

[lime fractal]

Whats best for paper server minecraft i got leptop where i want host temp servers on 0.8 ghz 4 cores and usb where i want host on 8gb ram

32 gb usb

[vocal basin]

8 GM RAM is enough for paper, but 0.8 GHz 4 cores must be a bit too weak

this will absolutely not work for anything other than paper
(i.e. modded minecraft won't work)

[lime fractal]

It will go to 2.4ghz

Its like base speed 0.8 so always higher

The leptop can run on Windows 11 4x minecraft so its strong

Or do i instal linux on it

12cores 4ghz 32 gb ram then?

[jade mountain]

i live 16 bit pcm audio

[rugged root]

Makes me wonder when they'll do the comparison to 3.13. The regular, JIT, and free-threading options

[jade mountain]

this is very satifying

[whole bear]

What you doin with those files?

[short owl]

smokey swiss cheese - does that work ? @gentle flint

seen smokey cheese , havent tried

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-1 @haughty pier

[short owl]

listen to boring UFO stories , you will pass out @peak depot

[haughty pier]

?

[vocal basin]

we're in VC1 currently not VC0

[scarlet basalt]

what are yall talking about in vc

[rugged root]

Mold in tiles and sealant

Wheeeee

[wise loom]

@haughty pier https://luj.fr/blog/how-nixos-could-have-detected-xz.html

[vocal basin]

"it's hard to get something build on Nix to begin with, so it's not surprising an exploit messing with the compilation caused issues"

[molten pewter]

https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/plants-animals/animals/living-with/kangaroos

[edgy edge]

Hello :)

@molten pewter Py-c-e

@wind raptor said it correctly

@wind raptor it's 3AM right now and I am working on a discord bot 😭

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter Madagascar

[edgy edge]

oops

[vocal basin]

I recommend avoiding saying that even as a joke

[edgy edge]

It's not a joke, they do.

You are missing out on the news

But sure, I'll not say that again.

@molten pewter the last country i ever want to be a gang member in is el salvador, I don't want to be in their high tech prison

I don't think anyone in their high tech prisons get out even if they are innocent

I still wonder how El Salvador had a gang problem

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter we bailed him out a bunch of times

it sounds believable if that was to start in ~1998 or later

@molten pewter more than the whole market cap of bitcoin 📈

a bit more

within, like, monthly fluctuation

price times 21 million

[vocal basin]

near exact formula

cropping charts is a funny activity

I don't really see much reason to invest for me

@molten pewter what are you expecting to happen in 2027 if it's only 2 years and not 4 at least?

apocalypse?

@molten pewter US intelligence was very accurate on what Putin believed during the start of the invasion;
though they made a mistake of actually believing that

[vocal basin]

should I short China

best Soviet practices

isn't equity also an investment term

lmao

"you're hiding diversified investments in your portfolio, aren't you?"

[vocal basin]

somehow getting stock grants from the place I work at is basically the only sane route there for me

though it's obviously unsellable

@molten pewter narcissism+psychopathy not just narcissism

narcissism on its own doesn't imply lack of empathy

again, best Soviet practices

in the same location