voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

okay

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Dude don't do it, it's virus

https://tenor.com/view/virus-please-wait-downloading-retro-win95-gif-26539025

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble expand the selection

[charred rapids]

@dire pebble Just open cmd, write ipconfig

Vim is soap used for washing dishes

[whole bear]

@dire pebble You should pay him 2 cents for his technical support

[charred rapids]

xd

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble if you're comfortable with using VSCode, then yes

[whole bear]

Dude Alisa it'self is russian

how could you trust Russian?

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble pick second option

[charred rapids]

Folder

[vocal basin]

and let it be main as it suggests

[charred rapids]

@dire pebble Where are you from?

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/hackintothemainframe-hack-into-the-mainframe-gif-12192418

[charred rapids]

Ohh Turkey

[whole bear]

Turkey is good country

great country

[charred rapids]

Turkey people were hacked by Russians

I would say please be careful

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Dude you're getting hacked!

[vocal basin]

this one, the default

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Soon you will be robbed

[vocal basin]

let the linux tools be only in Git Bash for now

@dire pebble do you have SSH installed?

[whole bear]

It's not helpful, don't click it, it's kill switch dude

[charred rapids]

Seriously SSH is a Virus Injection

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble if you don't know what it is, then use the first option

second so that you don't have to add certs in two places

[charred rapids]

@dire pebble We are just helping you, making sure you do not get hacked at end

I am sure this Programmer gonna hack your stuff

[whole bear]

No body is helping you

All are playing game

Your the toy

[charred rapids]

xd

[vocal basin]

Next

yes

[whole bear]

Alisa ain't helping, she is hacking

[charred rapids]

Yes

[old creek]

select next

[charred rapids]

Ransomware

[whole bear]

@dire pebble That is Osama bin ladin program!

[charred rapids]

Search Ransomware on web

[old creek]

its a few steps asked by GIT like MCQ 🙂

[vocal basin]

Next, for now; you can change it per-repo later

[old creek]

2nd one

[vocal basin]

I suggest first

because of Git Bash

[charred rapids]

its a total hack

[vocal basin]

it handles Unixisms a bit better than cmd

Git Bash tries to be as Linuxy as possible

[whole bear]

@dire pebble dude click next

[vocal basin]

this is only for Git Bash, not Git in general

[whole bear]

It will install this

[charred rapids]

Thats why you will get hack

[whole bear]

It is bait for you

[charred rapids]

We are the one who are truly honest

[old creek]

in window we can linux as well so dont think more about it 🙂

[whole bear]

once you installed you will lose the access to your computer

[charred rapids]

Yes

[rustic mantle]

@dire pebble go with first one

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble you'll be able to access cmd-ish one through Windows Terminal anyway

[whole bear]

@dire pebble dude hit next

https://tenor.com/view/red-button-spam-press-button-click-gif-17367381

[vocal basin]

choose first, you can change it later

[charred rapids]

Do one thing just click cross on the top right

[vocal basin]

you aren't going to use Git Bash at first anyway

this

it will not you let accidentally merge

[whole bear]

Exactly

[vocal basin]

yes, pick Git Credential Manager

it's quite good

[whole bear]

You should just tell them "Shut the f up"

Let me screw it up!

[vocal basin]

leave those two options as is

[old creek]

@dire pebble hacked git

[vocal basin]

symlinks on Windows are non-trivial

[old creek]

I have seen first time that much selection in git\

[vocal basin]

yes

deselect the checkbox, yes

@sturdy panther 👋

[whole bear]

@dire pebble open cmd type git --version

[sturdy panther]

Hi! Didn't know Git for Windows installs Vim.

[vocal basin]

up arrow to get previous cd command

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Now in windows search type git bash and hit enter

[fresh pecan]

whats a fun way to learn programming? cuz watching youtube etc. alone is boring

[whole bear]

Stop learning

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble either mv or move via the file explorer

[charred rapids]

hey guys can you also guide me to install Endeavour OS? on hp pc...

[whole bear]

that's all I can advice

[jovial iris]

mv file/ path/

[fresh pecan]

also sitting in classrooms for 5 hours makes me wanna do something bad

[whole bear]

Hit the teacher

[fresh pecan]

haha

so funny

[whole bear]

I mean it

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble cd not mv for now

[whole bear]

Hit the teacher

[old creek]

mv sourcepath targetpath

[fresh pecan]

ur obviously not making a point

[vocal basin]

we'll do it the easier-ish way

[whole bear]

Exactly

[fresh pecan]

u just said some words

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Pay everyone in VC 2 cents for technical support

[fresh pecan]

stop wasting my time then

[vocal basin]

steps:

1. cd to the directory (already done)
2. mv ~/welcome-to-docker ./welcome-to-docker

[old creek]

not here at the end of this text

[vocal basin]

you don't need to do the long-form move

[whole bear]

Stop reading my comments dude

[fresh pecan]

thats better, cant see your messages anymore

[whole bear]

Good

[vocal basin]

now you need to cd there

[jovial iris]

You could've just used GUI.

[vocal basin]

make projects, read docs, help other people learn, do everything basically

watching only videos is not efficient

[old creek]

create a Dockerfile

[whole bear]

@teal crystal Dude say something in Hindi!

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble in the same directory

code .

[old creek]

Now you are already there

why need to write it again

[vocal basin]

it's already there, the guide asks to open and read it

[whole bear]

Dude is noob

He has no idea how to use code

[fresh pecan]

i think the only way to make it fun at this point is working with others, is it common amongst programmers to learn together instead of alone?

[old creek]

it will create an image

[vocal basin]

common enough

also that's kind of what school/college/university is about

[whole bear]

@teal crystal dude have some water!

[vocal basin]

average help session

[whole bear]

Exactly

One man and thousand yapper

[vocal basin]

@teal crystal to the image not the container

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Directory is repository which contains folder and file

[vocal basin]

also sometimes called catalogue

[old creek]

So here @dire pebble docker will create a one kind of virtual machine where we dont have anything

So using dockerfile we are configuring a machine where we are installing nodejs first then copy a code files from our machine to docker image

like we are installing softwares in our machine

[whole bear]

@dire pebble Dude ask him to have some water

[old creek]

1. we are installing a node software docker machine
2. then we are assigning the working directory as an app folder where all code will be moved

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble completely ignore the EXPOSE one

it does nearly nothing

it's a hint to some tools but not much more

[vast cosmos]

hello

[whole bear]

hello tanmay

[old creek]

3. now we are copying package file to our machine
4. then moving src and public folder to docker imahe
5. then installing required packages in docker machine to run a node applications
6. then expose the port so our application run on port 3000
7. and the last we will run build command so it will create a build on docker image

-t means tag

in CMD

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble ctrl + ` is the keybind

for opening a terminal in VSCode

[old creek]

you can run it on CMD, powershell, gitbash or you can do it in vs code as wll

[vocal basin]

where tilde is

to the left of 1

[dire pebble]

`

[old creek]

in vs code terminal you can run same command

[vocal basin]

@teal crystal

no

[old creek]

no

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble stay where it is

@dire pebble run the command

@dire pebble no ..

[old creek]

No @teal crystal

he is on right path

we need to stay the same path where we created dockerfile

yes

[vocal basin]

-t welcome-to-docker names it welcome-to-docker and . points to the current directory

context: 669B

under kilobyte is impressive nowadays, even for a demo

[old creek]

it will create a machine

we can say its a machine template

yes

now run "docker images" to see your all images in docker

Yes for that you need to also run docker-compose where you can configure application, database or other application etc.

[whole bear]

@vocal basin do you work as employee or as a freelancer?

[hollow inlet]

have dapp developer here?

[vocal basin]

full-time employed

[whole bear]

6 figure income?

[old creek]

docker run command

[vast cosmos]

i want to learn c

[old creek]

to run a image

[vast cosmos]

where to learn c from scratch

[vocal basin]

$22K annually

which in Russia is relatively high

especially for a (formally) junior dev

[old creek]

welcome-to-docker is image which you just created

[whole bear]

Good for you!

[old creek]

its an optional setting

type 3000

localhost:8080

colon

so in code your default port was 3000

but from the setting we have redirected it to 8080

Its done 🙂

what database are you using ?

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble first I suggest removing the existing mysql container entirely

[old creek]

because docker have already docker images

[vocal basin]

because it was misconfigured a bit

@dire pebble yes, it's failing to start

docker run --name some-mysql -p 127.0.0.1:3306:3306/tcp -e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=test mysql:9

[old creek]

docker rmi ImageID to remove docker image

[vocal basin]

actually it won't require re-download until gc

only the tag is removed

layers stay until GCd

yes

@dire pebble now you can connect to it from outside the container

@teal crystal it's not -d

but, yeah, you can ctrl+c it and then start from GUI

[old creek]

we need to use detach mode

-d

[vocal basin]

go to the terminal, press ctrl+c (it should stop the container), go to GUI, find the container, start the container

[old creek]

docker run -d --name some-mysql -p 127.0.0.1:3306:3306 -e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=test mysql:9

Now run my command it will run in background

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble there's a VSCode extension with DB support

[old creek]

open localhost:3306 on your browser

[vocal basin]

it is somewhat bad because not fully open-source

[vocal basin]

should error with empty response

if it does, that means it's probably working

[old creek]

or use mysql tools like sqlyog, workbench or vscode extension etc

[old creek]

if its properly configured then it will work

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble the other extension

I think

verified publisher

[old creek]

Yes this one

[vocal basin]

also I think I recognise the author name

@dire pebble they come from the dependency of that extension

@dire pebble password: test
and connect

yes

I think it Discord auto-stops AFK streams nowadays

also, yes, muting drops the stream when the role is no more

[teal crystal]

sorry
i thought we need to go back so that we can pass directory name in the docker build cmd
now i got it

now
tell me, who is missing me?
😁

[teal crystal]

@dire pebble
bro, where you gone??
have you gonna for a walk to moon? 😁

[teal crystal]

@upper basin do you play rocket league?? 😁

[upper basin]

No I don't.

[teal crystal]

i got it
smart people likes playing chess not any creep like minecraft, rocket league, etc.

[upper basin]

I wouldn't know, not really a smart person myself hehe.

[teal crystal]

do you play any games other than chess?

[upper basin]

When I have time, yeah. I like all sorts of games as long as there's an element of tactic to it.

I really like milsim games.

The geometry of room clearing is intriguing to me.

[teal crystal]

free fire, pubg??

[upper basin]

No, none of those.

Like ready or not.

Although these days I just code and then worry about money, then sleep, and repeat.

[teal crystal]

Oh you are playing cards, i don't know why i thought it as chess 😂

[upper basin]

It's the only game I have for killing time in between pytest.

[teal crystal]

nope
i think 10-15 mins passed in this time you can play other games like free fire, cod, rocket league, etc.

[upper basin]

I also don't have RAM.

So can't do alot of stuff at the same time.

[teal crystal]

8?

[upper basin]

3 weeks until I can get my 16g RAM back.

Yeah.

Already maxed out with WSL.

[teal crystal]

16 as add-on or 8 will be replaced with 16?

[upper basin]

Add on.

So 24.

[vocal basin]

!stream 544864513556611082 30M

[wise cargo]

✅ @dire pebble can now stream until <t:1741952781:f>.

[teal crystal]

@vocal basin waiting for you

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble we were attempting to connect to the database iirc

@dire pebble click this

@dire pebble the run button should just work with that SQL code

yes, that button

@dire pebble that GitHub thing was just a tutorial

127.0.0.1 is generally not accessible from outside

for a local networking, it's normally something like 9.0.0.0/24, 192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.88.0/24, etc.

@dire pebble this instance of MySQL is made specifically so that you can access it from your computer on 127.0.0.1, due to how we started it

@dire pebble we're using Docker to run MySQL

docker run created and started the container

[teal crystal]

sorry
@dire pebble i will come in just few minutes

[dire pebble]

np

[vocal basin]

it connects to 127.0.0.1:3306
which we told Docker to redirect to port 3306 of mysql

[whole bear]

Why your screen so big.

Do you use 34 inch screen?

Nah

Your screen in general is huge

[vocal basin]

-p 127.0.0.1:3306:3306 is where we tell Docker to do that port mapping

-p {what host ip to bind to}:{what host port to bind to}:{what mysql port to connect to}

[vocal basin]

it was here

yes, we want the same port on the host as inside the container

bind is what the server does, connect is what the client does

server binds to an address and a port, then listens on it

[austere swallow]

Hi Python Besties

[vocal basin]

client connects to that address-port pair

[austere swallow]

Can anyone explain to me what Global and Local Variables are_

[upper basin]

Do you know what scopes are?

[vocal basin]

yes, intentional that they're the same 3306

that's the default MySQL port

-p 3306 is short for -p 3306:3306 which is short for -p 0.0.0.0:3306:3306;
however we need 127.0.0.1 not 0.0.0.0, therefore we can't use the short form

security, yes

so that it's local only

otherwise someone on the same local network as you would be able to connect to it

TCP is a protocol that gives you a "connection" abstraction

you can write bytes to a connection, you can read bytes from a connection, you can close the connection

unlike UDP where there is only write and read without the notion of a connection

within a single TCP connection all bytes are read in the same order that they were sent by the other side

whereas UDP may reorder pieces of data arbitrarily

[alpine crater]

[vocal basin]

TCP is the default for Docker

you can omit it

TCP and UDP may coexist on the same port, in which case you'd need to specify -p twice

!d socket

[wise cargo]

socket

Source code: Lib/socket.py

This module provides access to the BSD socket interface. It is available on all modern Unix systems, Windows, MacOS, and probably additional platforms...

[dire pebble]

-e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=test mysql:9

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble not yet

-e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=test provides an environment variable to mysql

each process is started with a list of environment variables

those are commonly used for configuration, especially when combined with Docker

[teal crystal]

variable is like value you can change

[alpine crater]

a ENV var is basically a standard way to pass values from the environment to a program

some programs have dedicated env vars, there also some general purpose ones

[upper basin]

# variable_example is the variable
# 2 is the value
variable_example = 2

[alpine crater]

for example the env var HOME tells a program where your home directory is

[upper basin]

It's just Ace.

[alpine crater]

the env var PATH tells programs where they should search for other programs

and then you have more specific ones, like MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD tells mysql what the root password should be

[upper basin]

Yeah. They're variables used by the environment.

[vocal basin]

!e

from os import environ
print(environ)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

environ({'LANG': 'en_US.UTF-8', 'OMP_NUM_THREADS': '5', 'OPENBLAS_NUM_THREADS': '5', 'MKL_NUM_THREADS': '5', 'VECLIB_MAXIMUM_THREADS': '5', 'NUMEXPR_NUM_THREADS': '5', 'PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE': 'true', 'PYTHONIOENCODING': 'utf-8:strict', 'PYTHONUNBUFFERED': 'true', 'PYTHONUSERBASE': '/snekbox/user_base', 'PYTHON_COLORS': '1', 'HOME': '/home', 'LC_CTYPE': 'C.UTF-8'})

[upper basin]

You need to learn what scopes are. That will help.

[primal shadow]

It's a variable from the environment, not the program

[alpine crater]

TL;DR its a standardized way of passing values to programs

[vocal basin]

there are many ways to pass configuration to a program
and if you use anything other than environment variables, Rabbit will be angry at you

[dire pebble]

.

[iron geyser]

👀

[vocal basin]

https://docs.docker.com/reference/cli/docker/container/run/#env

[jade mountain]

https://pygame.org :3

[vocal basin]

@dire pebble it stands for publish

but inside compose files it is indeed called ports, because that's an easier mnemonic

[alpine crater]

my diagram skills are unmatched

[dire pebble]

mysql:9

[vocal basin]

mysql is the name of the image

9 is the version

@dire pebble the image is directly related to mysql

mysql:9 part

https://hub.docker.com/_/mysql

[dire pebble]

3306:3306

[alpine crater]

because they could be different

[jade mountain]

@vocal basinbecause docker is a vm can i run malware inside it?

[vocal basin]

if it was 1234:3306, you'd have to specify 1234 as the port when connecting

[alpine crater]

like you could say "route port 80 on my machine to port 8080 in the container"

(very similar to port fowarding on a router, if you are familiar with that)

[vocal basin]

no, use Solaris Zones, BSD Jails or proper VMs if you don't trust the software

disable as much hardware access as you can

Docker is not a VM, it's based on OS-level virtualisation

i.e. virtual syscall table

as opposed to virtual hardware

@dire pebble those hints to the Docker Desktop come from the EXPOSE instruction in Dockerfile, presumably

[whole bear]

what are you using to create that?

[vocal basin]

excallidraw?

[alpine crater]

Excalidraw

[vocal basin]

ah, it's single l

[alpine crater]

(I am just used to spelling stuff wrong, so I assumed you were right xD)

[vocal basin]

I don't remember ever seeing it written

at least for long enough to notice how it's spelled

[alpine crater]

I think I actually use the default port for everything, huh

I do use a nginx proxy so I dont have to remember the ports tho

[vocal basin]

I avoid -p as much as possible

especially without local IP set

[alpine crater]

like pi.home/red redirects me to pi.home:1880

[vocal basin]

normally using IPs like 127.1.2.3 if it's not supposed to be public

also allows many things to just exist on 80

[alpine crater]

(it does really annoy me firefox assumes pi.home isnt a domain and just does a search if I dont explicitly use http://pi.home)

oh theres a setting for it

browser.fixup.domainwhitelist.pi.home 😄

[primal shadow]

There's no tld list?

[alpine crater]

.home isnt a real tld

its specifically for local services

[primal shadow]

ah

That's odd, I'd think .home woulda come in one of the waves of new TLDs

[alpine crater]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.home

[primal shadow]

lol

[alpine crater]

basically people used it for internal networks a lot, so making it a proper TLD could cause a lot of issues

[vocal basin]

I should deploy my own DNS server

for internal stuffs

[teal crystal]

hi
have i speak properly, any suggestions for me?
are you able to understand?

[alpine crater]

my rpi just works over... whatever the hostname magic thingy is

[winter tartan]

why is everyone so silent ? ^^

[somber heath]

@celest oyster 👋

[vocal basin]

I think neither me no OsmanYD had troubles understanding your speech

[alpine crater]

I explicitly made my bluetooth devices unable to work as a mic

(I had reasons)

[jade mountain]

for some reason

list.append((
    "hello", "world!"
))

structure looks amazing

[somber heath]

Every word has its time.

[vocal basin]

while it can be structured better, that's just a practice thing

[winter tartan]

every second shapes our future

[vocal basin]

( it was not about that code, it was in response to #voice-chat-text-0 message )

[jade mountain]

it reminds me of using

element.addEventListener("click", (event) => {
    console.log("something
})

[vocal basin]

I hope to see more tools combine paired punctuation like that

[alpine crater]

anyway I have been getting into excalidraw recently, been a bit helpful structuring some data flow

(also trying to switch back over to obsidian from notion, I think my issue before is I just tried using obsidian for too much)

[vocal basin]

after trying several notes apps I've just decided that taking notes is not my thing

[alpine crater]

that was my issue actually, I was trying to use it to take notes

while what I really needed was just a kanban board and excalidraw

[vocal basin]

for writing stuff down I mostly use Outline

I've trained myself out of using kanban

and for diagrams, draw.io

[alpine crater]

may I ask why?

[vocal basin]

does not work that well when open issue counts go >100

• for many things the simple definite flow of whether it's worked on/done isn't entirely applicable

[whole bear]

I'd like to ask you something!

Only VC in discord

Where member prefer to be mute!

[vocal basin]

I wonder if Forgejo's Projects thing has auto sync to issue state

[alpine crater]

we just like the feeling of being with people

[whole bear]

Oh yeah a human touch in machine

[whole bear]

that's sad

[alpine crater]

thats fair, I also dont use it with github issues, just manually created todos for projects

[teal crystal]

javascript guy 👍

[whole bear]

If we think about it, you and we are all virtual.
Some connected somehow, and desire is the key which connects us

[primal shadow]

That is a full room of silence, I feel liek I'm in there without be9ing htere

[whole bear]

desire of what?

[primal shadow]

In it for the alert tones

[alpine crater]

I can stream some mtg arena if people want 😛

[jade mountain]

@somber heath

[somber heath]

I'd be a little more prone to judgement were everyone also deafened.

[opaque pike]

so like..

[vocal basin]

24 minutes until weekend in Australia

[whole bear]

what is this abhorrence

[jade mountain]

its braces in python

[whole bear]

desire to talk, chat, know people

[vocal basin]

where ;

[jade mountain]

its like javascript

you dont need it

*browser js

[whole bear]

I like how your folder name is stupid LOL

[vocal basin]

also correct placement of if punctuation

very Rust style

[teal crystal]

is it gaming server?
is it allowed to stream??

[opaque pike]

so i had vsc print balloon 2295000000 times...

send help

[charred rapids]

@vocal basin I want to do live coding... can you give me streaming rights

[whole bear]

Ig it is!

[teal crystal]

close your vscode and restart it

[vocal basin]

in 4 minutes

[alpine crater]

I am staff, I can do what I want/hj

[charred rapids]

Ok

[opaque pike]

i crashed it

[whole bear]

20 bucks a minute.

[opaque pike]

its to late qwp

[jade mountain]

thats my cursor

[teal crystal]

ok bro 👍

[whole bear]

Hmm

[teal crystal]

give permission me also, so i can show my gameplay in rocket league

[alpine crater]

but okay fine, I'll program a bit

[whole bear]

I grant you permission now go ahead and waste your time!

[teal crystal]

rust good, can you teach me?

[vocal basin]

what code are you working on?

[whole bear]

Dude why you like to learn from other folks?
use rust-lang.org

[alpine crater]

this is the best way to learn rust: https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/book/

[teal crystal]

the joke was good

[vocal basin]

• rustlings

[teal crystal]

i thought he is streaming, so why not to ask him only

[vocal basin]

also that book has a version with quizzes

which should be linked on the first page I think

[teal crystal]

any guide for go??

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/rust-lang/rustlings

[charred rapids]

4 Mins

[vocal basin]

Tour of Go

[vocal basin]

@charred rapids

[whole bear]

If you think about it, your time is limited.
It won't came back

[charred rapids]

I am doing CP stuff

[vocal basin]

competitive programming?

[charred rapids]

Yes

[vocal basin]

!stream 1252496871532920876

[wise cargo]

✅ @charred rapids can now stream until <t:1741956631:f>.

[whole bear]

You're not asking help for code problem, you're asking for tutor to teach you rust

[somber heath]

@mental laurel @spiral frigate 👋

[mental laurel]

hello

[whole bear]

Milien is alien from catland

@somber heath Take deep breath in and out.
Think about life and say "f my life"

Best way to be relaxed

[teal crystal]

yep
something like rustlings and rust book but for golang
and proper roadmap for learning golang

[vocal basin]

there is no roadmap for go

there is no "learning go"

you just go and write it

[mental laurel]

what would this do ?

class Foo:
  def __init__(self, **k):
    self.__dict__.update(k)

[whole bear]

There is a roadmap to learn go!

https://tenor.com/view/barzewa-barzewa-janoubeya-kariboula-short-girl-ships-gif-19852974

[vocal basin]

if you mean roadmap.sh, that's not a map, it's just a road

[whole bear]

Now let make her insecure about height

[somber heath]

!e ```py
class Foo:
def init(self, **k):
self.dict.update(k)

f = Foo(apple=123, pear=456)
print(f.apple)
print(f.pear)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 123
002 | 456

[somber heath]

Not the best of practices.

[charred rapids]

Sorry ill have to leave.. Electricity Issue 😦 I will join when it come

[paper wolf]

no stream eh D:

[whole bear]

Let's not talk about her height

let's mind our own damn business

[paper wolf]

vim 🔥

[winter tartan]

She brought it up

[whole bear]

Not really, she was asked what's her height is.

[alpine crater]

hm?

[vocal basin]

mentally stable people
"do we even have those?"

[alpine crater]

this is vim, but sure

[paper wolf]

i use lunarvim

[whole bear]

@winter tartan I do have theme, it's dark owl one

[alpine crater]

I like animated wallpapers

[paper wolf]

why we cant stream?

[alpine crater]

because everyone likes lua ofc /hj

[vocal basin]

@winter tartan
nvim has less cursed colours when using termux compared to regular vim

for whatever reason

whereas on Windows Terminal it somewhat misbehaves

[mental laurel]

since it can overwrite the functions ?

[winter tartan]

Whats termux?

A front end thing?

[vocal basin]

terminal emulator for mobile

[paper wolf]

nice wallapaper

[vocal basin]

(android specifically)

[winter tartan]

I see

[paper wolf]

ive used it

[vocal basin]

termux+nvim, still the best way to write code on a phone

[winter tartan]

A mod need to give u the role for it

[paper wolf]

real

[paper wolf]

the issue on termux is it dont put file on home directory of the android

[winter tartan]

Why would i want to write code on an emulator anyway

[paper wolf]

to be able to write code on phone

[winter tartan]

Oh i see

[vocal basin]

all terminals nowadays are emulators

[paper wolf]

i just recently learened about vim

[vocal basin]

yeah, it's quite isolated

[paper wolf]

ive code for year only on phone

[vocal basin]

I've been using termux since 2020 or even earlier I think

[paper wolf]

if i wanna use termux ill use nano

[vocal basin]

it's not a VM

it's not even a chroot

[paper wolf]

VM is not a emulator

and emulator is not a VM

[vocal basin]

termux doesn't emulate the runtime and filesystem

terminal emulator is just terminal

@winter tartan it's a weird term you can ignore the word emulator

termux runs on the metal as directly as android allows it to

you don't get to write to /bin

[paper wolf]

termux only have permition to write on its own home dir

[vocal basin]

(code is not running "on an emulator", you're just viewing through something that emulates a teletype)

[vocal basin]

as it should

and software should be able to handle it

also, data dir not home dir

[winter tartan]

Thx for explaining

[paper wolf]

well as a terminal emulator isnt it should have all permition?

[vocal basin]

okay, I have to say it once more

terminal emulator = terminal

[winter tartan]

Gotchu

[vocal basin]

for example, when you use KDE,
your default terminal emulator would be Konsole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konsole

on Windows, there are three main terminal emulators:
whatever cmd uses by default
whatever powershell uses by default
windows terminal

first two, if you have your system configured correctly, you should only encounter when running something as an administrator or embedded in some other software

[jade mountain]

@somber heath

[paper wolf]

wt

what the

[vocal basin]

for i in 1..=10 when

[paper wolf]

hows importing stuff will change how python work???

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-you-make-me-sad-sad-gif-16437142

[vocal basin]

make it truly Rust-like

[jade mountain]

import __future__ import braces

[paper wolf]

hows importing stuff will change how python work?????????????????????????????????????

it makes no sence

[mental laurel]

class Button:
    surface: Surface
    rect: Rect
    def __init__(self, surface: Surface|None = None, rect: Rect|None = None) -> None:
        self.set_surface(surface, rect)

    def set_surface(self, surface: Surface|None, rect: Rect|None):
        if isinstance(surface, Surface):
            self.surface = surface
            self.rect = surface.get_rect()
            if rect:
                pygame.transform.scale(self.surface, rect.size, self.surface)
                self.rect.topleft = rect.topleft
        elif isinstance(rect, Rect):
            self.surface = pygame.Surface(rect.size)
            self.rect = self.surface.get_rect()
            self.rect.topleft = rect.topleft
        else: raise ValueError("Either surface or rect must be provided")
```would this work ?

[paper wolf]

someone 😭

[vocal basin]

!d future

[wise cargo]

\_\_future\_\_

Source code: Lib/__future__.py

Imports of the form from __future__ import feature are called future statements. These are special-cased by the Python compiler to allow the use of new Python features in modules containing the future statement before the release in which the feature becomes standard.

While these future statements are given additional special meaning by the Python compiler, they are still executed like any other import statement and the __future__ exists and is handled by the import system the same way any other Python module would be. This design serves three purposes:

Similar names: term.__future__

[paper wolf]

oh so it mess the compiler

[vocal basin]

@somber heath yes it does

[paper wolf]

interesting

@jade mountain show pls 😭

maybe lets turn python to static language

[vocal basin]

with the great power comes the great what the fuck have I done how do I undo it

[paper wolf]

lol

i wanna do live coding

i cant install vim on my fon D:

it need git

and installing stuff needs permission

[thorny trench]

what is happening...

[paper wolf]

nvm its working now

its just lunarvim on fon :D

lunarvim on fon letsgooo

why milien's voise is so depresing 😭

[alpine crater]

me hungry

so....

[paper wolf]

eat me.

........

am bored

[alpine crater]

https://tenor.com/view/uzi-evil-chuckle-zombie-drone-uzi-murder-drones-gif-14241175570251134837

[peak depot]

I have pneumonia and cough alot

Affects my vocal corts

[vocal basin]

!stream 489768070034882571

[wise cargo]

✅ @jade mountain can now stream until <t:1741959487:f>.

[paper wolf]

sorry for that

[vocal basin]

@chilly wolf is that pvp or pve?

ah, pvp

do you have synchronisation/reconnect handling or is it just forfeiting on disconnect?

[paper wolf]

who here works something on android

[whole bear]

My head hurts 🤕

[paper wolf]

im linking the lvim binary to /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/local/bin/

but it need permittion

[whole bear]

Bhe

[vocal basin]

ah, yeah, linkage is fun

[whole bear]

I definitely have nauseous!

[vocal basin]

I didn't figure out how to start code server

[paper wolf]

u know how to do that on android??? termux

[vocal basin]

complains about stuff no installed/not in places it expects it to be

[lime fractal]

Whyy does my firewall block my Windows 7 starter leptop

[paper wolf]

i just wanna type lvim whenever i wanna code

[vocal basin]

my latest success was getting rustc 1.84 to work

it broke with an extremely weird error before that

[whole bear]

Bye

[chilly wolf]

It simply ends the game on disconnect

[vocal basin]

had to just nuke the env vars for one compilation, and apparently that somehow fixed it forever
idk how or why

[somber heath]

@ionic wave 👋

[lime fractal]

Why it say firewall need to allow MicrosoftEdgeupdate.exe allowed

[somber heath]

@abstract urchin 👋

[vocal basin]

what I did for minesweeper:
all connections from the same user are treated as one connection

if there are 0 real connections from them for 10 seconds, it treats the whole user as disconnected

this handles both reconnects and sync

[jade mountain]

will we be blessed with the hemlock experience tonight?

[vocal basin]

important note: it also replays all events on each new connection

[paper wolf]

if only rooting a android is safe and easy

[vocal basin]

rewrite everything in Zig, be in control of all the linkage

[chilly wolf]

Intewesting, might be something to consider to make the game smoother? I'd need a few more bits and bobs to get it working fluidly though

[vocal basin]

it'd actually be immensely great if NixOS provided a more stable way to set its root to somewhere other than /nix or whatever

[lime fractal]

Whats wrong with my old leptop lol

[vocal basin]

so this way you can just run it inside wherever

root for nix packages I mean

[jade mountain]

clock is out of sync

[lime fractal]

I know

Windows 7 starter

[vocal basin]

NixOS has three things:
/bin/sh
/usr/bin/env
/nix (directory)

[lime fractal]

Just a litte

[vocal basin]

what are you using for connections currently? WebSocket?

[jade mountain]

🔥 https://suno.com/song/09c016e2-a135-43aa-9789-ca1477a95ccc

@rugged root

[vocal basin]

((= message "Hello, World!")
 (if (> (len message) 5)
  (print message)))

or whatever JavaScript version looks like

[willow light]

I am starting to wish I had gone for nix on my gaming rig, because rpm-ostree can be a nightmare sometimes

[vocal basin]

I don't understand how to home computer

I'm a Windows user, I like KDE Plasma preinstalled

[astral coral]

uh ahhhhhhh, I don't smoke the reefa

[willow light]

I do, it helps me sleep.

[vocal basin]

I shall start a crusade focused on claiming Alpine is the best dev OS

[astral coral]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7Hyk14s0g

[jade mountain]

here is the python-to-javascript translator super compositor

import sys
sys.path[0] = sys.path[0].replace(r"\__pycache__", "")

import ast
import os

class FutureBracesRemover(ast.NodeTransformer):
    def visit_ImportFrom(self, node):
        if node.module == '__future__' and any(alias.name == 'braces' for alias in node.names):
            print("Enabled braces!\n")
            return None  # Remove the import
        return node

import sys
import traceback

file_arg = sys.argv[1]
with open(file_arg, "r", encoding = "utf-8") as f:
    content = f.read()

content = content.replace(" {\n", ":\n")
content = content.replace("} elif ", "elif ")
content = content.replace("} else ", "else ")
content = content.replace("\n}\n", "\n")
content = content.replace("    }\n", "\n")
if content[-1] == "}":
    content = content[:-1]

try:
    tree = ast.parse(content)
    tree = FutureBracesRemover().visit(tree)
    ast.fix_missing_locations(tree)
    exec(compile(tree, filename="<ast>", mode="exec"), {}, {})
    # exec(content)
except Exception as e:
    out = []

    trace = traceback.format_exception(e)

    # print(''.join(trace))
    for index, line in enumerate(trace):
        # if 'File "<string>", 4' in line:
        if index in [1, 2]:
            continue
        if index == 3:
            # print(line)
            line = line.replace('File "<unknown>", line ', rf'File "c:\Users\{os.getlogin()}\Desktop\Python Braces!\{sys.argv[1]}", line ')
        out.append(line)

    print(''.join(out))

[vocal basin]

you can't alpine the python and not suffer by default

[astral coral]

AH scary code >.<

[vocal basin]

because CPython is too glibc

normally

there is a static build of CPython

uv:3.13-bookworm

or whatever

200MB approx.

at least that's what I remember for whatever debians there are

[astral coral]

there's like a bus being escorted by a truck with loud speaker, circling the neighbourhood, cause this is a jewish community and some event is going off, it's annoying af

[willow light]

mynoise.net plus headphones

[astral coral]

it's drowning out my drum and bass 😮

[vocal basin]

Django+HTMX, aka the `I have no f___ing clue but JetBrains is sponsoring' stack

[astral coral]

drums performed bass to mouth

[willow light]

That's impressive, although most of the dnb I listen to is either neurofunk or jungle

or Pendulum because duh

[vocal basin]

@somber heath Zak is not in the VC

[astral coral]

I'm listening to the prodigy rn

[vocal basin]

call police for noise complaint ❌
become the bigger reason for noise complaint ✅

[lime fractal]

What is Babylon it block all on dis windows 7 leptop

[vocal basin]

mo? millioeconds?

millioinks

[jade mountain]

u americans and your incoherent measurements such as "feet", "inches" and the worst offender, "miles"

[somber heath]

@brittle quarry 👋

[jade mountain]

disgusting

fowl

[vocal basin]

@somber heath *half of a giraffe

"WHICH HALF?? UPPER OR LOWER???"

[willow light]

*English

We only use it because the English insisted on it.

[brittle quarry]

hi there

[willow light]

And because they sank the ship bringing the metric system to us in the 1810s.

[jade mountain]

i speak australian

[somber heath]

An Australian dialect of English. It's still English.

[jade mountain]

ew

[willow light]

The second time we tried, we got halfway there, and then Ronald Reagan got rid of it.

A lot of our current issues can be traced back to Ronald Reagan demonstrating why popularity is not a good way to determine leadership.

[vocal basin]

@rugged root and Lemon

[rugged root]

!server

[wise cargo]

Server Information

Created: <t:1483877013:R>
Roles: 125
Member status: 45,387 353,403

Members: 398,790

Helpers: 163
Moderation Team: 39
Admins: 11
Directors: 3
Contributors: 47
Leads: 9

Channels: 295

Category: 33
Forum: 4
News: 13
Staff: 128
Stage_Voice: 1
Text: 108
Voice: 8

[somber heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035241142026251/748925089512161380/Who-Pinged.mp4?ex=67d4f217&is=67d3a097&hm=65e3657d1440fac3f58e5e4c87a9237a5013ff3b67c9bd0b50038e4446cd7d56&

[vocal basin]

we do do everyone pings, in #announcements

@upper basin on the profile

https://github.com/ACE07-Sev?tab=stars

@rugged root why mastodon does decentralisation well:
you can use an account across instances

instance defines where your account and messages are located

you can reply and mention cross-instance

there is no inherent reason to centralise in Mastodon

[teal crystal]

why i am seeing that zak has stream opened but when i open it shows it's closed

[whole bear]

@willow light I think smart dude can exploit this.
He can let his relative or friend to make a off shore company and hire and fire and hire and fire and hire and fire

[willow light]

what makes you think they don't already do that?

[whole bear]

Do they?

It's a good way to get benefit and survive by doing nothing

[willow light]

If you can think of a way to exploit the system, someone has probably already been doing it.

Especially if it's a billionaire doing it.

[whole bear]

Yes

But I think many more ways

[willow light]

Billionaires are the best in the world at exploiting the system. It's why they became billionaires in the first place.

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/claw-the-gif-19666030

[whole bear]

Yes

[vocal basin]

@rugged root make your own fork

[whole bear]

get good

Like in India, government has absolute control on which company should get legal license to make airline, airport, 4G, 5G, ports and many more.
Basically capitalism on paper but license raj in reality

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/wiggle-silly-dance-fork-crazy-hair-wiggle-dance-gif-6303878151778664754

[willow light]

I have too much empathy to do well in that field.

[vocal basin]

@rugged root no maintainers => no bad maintainers

[whole bear]

By license I mean government doesn't sell those license like auction

don't hold people to account for not having the same moral capacity

[vocal basin]

I should try writing in Austral

another weird language

[whole bear]

they sell those to specific company

or orligarch

That's how we have super rich like multi billionaire in country with just 4 Trillion GDP and 1.4 billion population

[rugged root]

Corporate nepotism

[whole bear]

Yes

It's everything but capitalism!

[rugged root]

Yaaaaaarp

[whole bear]

So suppose if government won't sell the license no hope for innovation or business.
As no one is legally permitted to make business but government

[vocal basin]

@peak depot if it starts to hurt the muscles somewhat, then maybe yes

[upper basin]

Hurt is not enough though. You need tiny tears and then sufficient protein to rebuild them.

[rugged root]

One of the small benefits to the US, I guess

[vocal basin]

yeah, first two are correlated

the third isn't

[rugged root]

I also cry tiny tears when I workout

[upper basin]

I thought that was just me.

[willow light]

Well taking into account soy is a complete protein...just slam the tofu when you workout.

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bake-pie-pi-day-happy-pi-day-gif-7939754

[willow light]

Where I live tofu is cheaper than steak, so it's the main source of protein in my diet. Well, that and rice-n-beans.

[whole bear]

Maybe but what makes me feel worried is that they make sure that even latest technology comes under license. Before Star link they have no such a license after star link, they made it illegal to make something like that without license

[peak depot]

@rugged root today is Pi day. 3.14

[rugged root]

Yep, check the server logo

[peak depot]

Aaaa, me stupid

[whole bear]

But it look like swastika

[upper basin]

The python symbol itself?

[whole bear]

Nah the new logo's python symbol

[upper basin]

Yeah, that's the python symbol.

Two snakes.

[rugged root]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_tube These are neat

[vocal basin]

the background is too mirror symmetric to look like that

[whole bear]

But doesn't it look like swastika?

[rugged root]

No no. The Piethon

[whole bear]

It does look like swastika

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-seriously-golden-girls-blinking-confused-gif-850647957346982291

[somber heath]

Does an S?

[vocal basin]

"freedom of speech! they only spoke words and signed papers! they're innocent!"

[upper basin]

https://tenor.com/view/milhouse-simpsons-frisbee-lonely-loneliness-gif-22891693

[rugged root]

I like the name of it

[vocal basin]

^ I wouldn't be surprised if people even excused officials like Beriya that way
given people who argue that know basically nothing

[upper basin]

Lonelyyy, I am so loooonellyy...

[vocal basin]

"government's assistance lack of control and security"

https://theonion.com/egg-companies-assure-customers-dozen-has-always-meant-9/

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/games-vintage-pixels-gif-9131396

[whole bear]

Does prices even matter, if earning is in top 10%?

[rugged root]

HA

Oh, @vocal basin. I can't find the message to reply, but you were talking about noise complaints and stuff, right? https://youtu.be/hsn63yAzP6E?si=5E8XcZjN8glPN_ou

[whole bear]

Yes I think so.
I hope I won't be banned

[vocal basin]

I have another funny onion thing screenshotted but it's a DM-only material

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/darker-than-black-dtb-hei-anime-throw-anime-squirrel-gif-21985700

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hesitate-almost-scared-wait-on-second-thought-gif-13810920

[rugged root]

That took me a second

That's amazing

[whole bear]

biblically accurate human lore

[rugged root]

Royalty accurate as well

[vocal basin]

yet

what a significantly advanced investigation

[rugged root]

@whole bear Yo

[whole bear]

Hello, i was just curious lol

[rugged root]

All good!

I just like to greet new folks

@silk delta Also yo

[silk delta]

Hi

[rugged root]

How goes it

[silk delta]

All good,

And you ?

[rugged root]

Good so far. Nothing exploding at work, so I'm pleased

[peak depot]

Fe

https://tenor.com/view/viking-man-leaps-ice-water-gif-12813214525354223849

[silk delta]

I came here the first time because I had a problem with a program a few days back, and since then I come here to look what's happening

[rugged root]

Well we're happy to have you! It's always nice to see we managed to keep folks around

[silk delta]

Well, I'm very glad to be accepted, but unfortunately, I need to go (it's late here in India), but I will come back some days to see what's up,
Bye

[whole bear]

https://youtu.be/ECcqqPN1EXk?si=-G1Saxr3JFjmX-DR
Is this how America is?

[rugged root]

Used to

[vocal basin]

he has none, he does not live off credibility

[rugged root]

Now the people double down and don't get panicky when they're called out

[whole bear]

Hmm, they will deny like trump

[rugged root]

Deny, attack, pivot, repeat

[whole bear]

Fight to death!

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-satanized-skeleta-papa-gif-4071862037426689494

[vocal basin]

his own? no, someone else's

[rugged root]

@olive hedge You have another ally in the love of Ghost.

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/aether-sodo-rain-dewdrop-dew-gif-26936395

Deffo "Square hammer" ☝️

[whole bear]

Every day when I wake up, one thought lingers in my mind—there are at least a billion people on this planet who lack the resources I have, yet their potential far exceeds mine but goes to waste. And here I am, with all these resources, choosing to waste them by being lazy.

Has it ever happened to you?

[peak depot]

Dan "the cypertruck" Brown

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/d6OzhNg3kV0.gif

[somber heath]

Free can of beans with every purchase.

[amber raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZByvjgem6E

[peak depot]

"You can throw a soup can but you can't throw a brick"

[amber raptor]

I feel attacked at end of the vehicle when she puts laptop in truck bed

[rugged root]

Amazing

[olive hedge]

New album dropping soon

[rugged root]

Neat

@ornate heron I try not to make exceptions on the voice gate. Otherwise there'd be no point in having it

You'll have to get it organically like everyone else

[ornate heron]

alr

[rugged root]

I appreciate you being understanding about it

[peak depot]

Yes!! All hail Papa Perpetua!!

[whole bear]

I like how rabbit ain't got chill

[rugged root]

It's part of his charm

Co-worker is back here

Back to Mutelock

[upper basin]

I would have gone with Hushlock.

Hemlock! Hushlock...Hemlock! Hushhhlock. So hush, husshhh.

[vocal basin]

@rugged tundra in what ways

[rugged root]

Stfulock

[upper basin]

That's an Angrylock.

[vocal basin]

@amber raptor it's been very coӧperative with Russian law enforcement

and Iranian/wherever else

[upper basin]

He's the Hemlock, a really nice folk, makes a nice buck, and he can go hushlock, but don't abuse his silence, or he'd be a madlock, you're fucked!

Bad Guy rhythm.

[vocal basin]

@amber raptor telegram encryption is opt-in and hard to opt in

there was some example of what Signal sent, like a giant blank page with the same phone number that the law enforcement gave them to check and half a sentence saying it's all they have

[whole bear]

As long as one can bare consequence of breaking Law.
Feel free to break it!

[upper basin]

I want this book.
QML Unlocked: From Curiosity to Capability in Quantum Machine Learning

Formal pwease.

[rugged root]

You want this or a computer

[upper basin]

The book.

I want its pdf. I really really want to read it.

[vocal basin]

"here, have this instead"

[upper basin]

I had to pay ALL of my savings for the tuition. 4.2K. All the backup saving I had for the laptop.

[upper basin]

Nooo, I don't like that one.

[rugged root]

"Buying QML Books via Drug Trading"

[upper basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emotional-crying-kid-cute-gif-17761013

I wan it.

[vocal basin]

woohoo another name collision

Qt Meta-object Language

why is Qt's thing not QMOL

@rugged root the ifs are more correct syntactically this way

Rust-style

compared to JS

and Java

and C++

and C

[vocal basin]

and Zig

though Zig at least forces block braces

seemingly

oh wait no it doesn't

thanks, "Toggle dark mode", very helpful

[rugged root]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/braver/FileIcons/master/icons.png Looking at these icons, I don't think I've seen a language or anything that has this pug as a logo. And I have a feeling this is going to be one of those moments where AF tells me about it, I'm going to look it up, and then lo and behold the link will be purple

[vocal basin]

I have seen that one

[upper basin]

https://www.amazon.com/QML-Unlocked-Curiosity-Capability-Learning-ebook/dp/B0DZ18ZH48?ref_=ast_author_dp

[vocal basin]

because of a certain user, whenever I hear IO with O not being stressed enough compared to I, I first think of them rather than I/O

[vocal basin]

shall I play the game of trying to remember what these are

[whole bear]

It's relatively new book, highly unlikely that the there would be PDF version of it or Pirated pdf version

[whole bear]

I have alternative book but it share same goal as this book

[vocal basin]

the creature

[rugged root]

It stares into my soul

[vocal basin]

C, C++ and Rust have the same speed

in C++ you gain speed through your code not working and crashing each few minutes

in Rust you gain speed through composability

@somber heath almost

[jade mountain]

so rust is just better than c and c++

[vocal basin]

r something keyword

C++ has different memory management semantics which sometimes might fit the problem better

https://docs.rs/moveit

https://docs.rs/cxx

++C

proper increment

@jade mountain of a package

yes

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/AiBA.gif

[vocal basin]

but

it's not a library, for weird reasons

"library" as a term has some implications

.as and .sos are libraries

directories full of .cs and .hs -- less so

in C terms, library is the compiled result that can be linked either statically or dynamically

[whole bear]

I like how you all are learning and reading books

Mean while me yawning

It was fun, hearing the conversation.
I'll catch you later!

[chilly wolf]

I'm stuck at the library :(

Not that I mind the library, it's just I have to steer clear of my apartment while they're doing renovations

[rugged root]

!e

for i in range(5):
  print(i)
  if i == 3:
    break
else:
  print("I'm in the else!")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0
002 | 1
003 | 2
004 | 3

[rugged root]

!e

for i in range(5):
  print(i)
  if i == 3:
    break
else:
  print("I'm in the else!")
finally:
  print("I'm in the finally!")

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 7
002 |     finally:
003 |     ^^^^^^^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[jade mountain]

!e

for i in range(5):
  print(i)
  if i == 3:
    break
finally:
  print("I'm in the finally!")

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 5
002 |     finally:
003 |     ^^^^^^^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[vocal basin]

try-finally

!e

try: ...
else: ...

try: ...
except: ...

try: ...
finally: ...

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2
002 |     else: ...
003 |     ^^^^
004 | SyntaxError: expected 'except' or 'finally' block

[vocal basin]

ah, right

[livid dawn]

whats this

[vocal basin]

try-else-only would make no sense

[rugged root]

!e

try:
  print("printing in the try")
finally:
  print("printing in the finally")

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | printing in the try
002 | printing in the finally

[vocal basin]

!e

def stuff():
    try: return 1
    finally: return 2

print(stuff())

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

2

[vocal basin]

Java does the same I think

you can think of return as backed by a write-only variable

initialised to None

@rugged root Fortran too I think

idk about Algol

@rugged root cobol

as in took inspiration from

anything indentation is cobol-inspired to some extent

iirc

well, it did a lot of weird things with whitespace anyway

@rugged root learn Language H

READ, PRINT, PUNCH, NUMBER, MAX, BEING, FROM, CHANNEL, DIGIT, STERLING, CHARACTERS, UP, TO, RADICES, QUANTITY, DECIMAL, POINT, INADMISSIBLE, INPUT, CONTROL, ERROR, SEEN-CHARACTER, OPERAND, CALCULATE, HOLD, OFF, ON, SEE, AT, POSITION, PLACES, FILE, GET, AGAIN, WITH, FINISH, REEL-END, UNOBTAINABLE, END-OF-FILE, MARKER, BRANCH, OR, GET-AGAIN, ACCORDING, SEQUENTIAL, FILING, DUMP, DATA, PROCESSING, PROGRAM, FOR, CHAPTER, NOTE, IN, OBEY, AND, ARE, AT, BY, IN, IS

some of the keywords

[rugged root]

OBEY

[vocal basin]

all others have been lost to time

[rugged root]

That's ominous

[vocal basin]

that's what the program ends with

and it starts with CHAPTER 1

there is no CHAPTER 2, by the way

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/bc1zs.gif

[vocal basin]

INADMISSIBLE
UNOBTAINABLE

STERLING

PUNCH

[teal crystal]

@rugged root Hi

[vocal basin]

challenge: write a story using only known Language H keywords

[teal crystal]

Can somebody explain like what we use in banks/financial data where we need exact count instead of analytics were we use HyperLogLog to count estimates in very much large scale where counting one by one isn't feasible??

[vocal basin]

CHARACTERS ARE BEING IN PLACES

[rugged root]

CONTROL BRANCH
BY STERLING

READ AND OBEY IN POSITION
FILE AGAIN AT SEQUENTIAL DATA PROCESSING
SEEN-CHARACTER OR ERROR
ERROR IS ON HOLD WITH UNOBTAINABLE INADMISSIBLE INPUT
END-OF-FILE

[vocal basin]

banks use proper transactional DBs

[rugged root]

Done

[vocal basin]

either RDBMSes or specialised stuff like tigerbeetle

UNOBTAINABLE DATA IS BEING IN INADMISSIBLE PLACES

banks don't actually have such a problem of scale

[rugged root]

Ooo that's a good one

I'm dumb

[teal crystal]

isn't that create memory issues? do we have any HyperLogLog like thing or any algorithm but for exact count??

[rugged root]

I should have used BY MAX STERLING

[vocal basin]

count of what?

HyperLogLog is for set cardinality

[teal crystal]

any data

[vocal basin]

it's not for "I paid you N dollars"

account balance isn't count

pennies don't each have their own identity

[vocal basin]

instead, it's amount

[teal crystal]

let's say US gov wants to count people having SSN
then how they gonna count??

[rugged root]

Carefully

[vocal basin]

SELECT COUNT(user) FROM ssn or whatever

@jade mountain processes instead of threads

if you just have all data available, counting isn't that hard

[teal crystal]

i don't know it properly
but let say on march 31, banks have to close their book and count total number of transactions, transaction value, and other transactional data,etc. do they simply count each and every transaction happened in whole year, like how they do?? do they simply do counts one by one?

[vocal basin]

there will usually be an index

b-tree indexes have a Log(N) count complexity for each range

you can also use database transactions to update data atomically

[jade mountain]

are python dicts faster than something like mysql?

[rugged root]

Minor Nim difference that confused me for a bit. Nim's HashSet is essentially a Python set. Adding another value into the set in Python is set.add(). In Nim? .incl(). I know it's include, but it still bugs me

[vocal basin]

depends

[rugged root]

That's not really an easy comparison

[vocal basin]

you should be comparing to sqlite in-memory

[teal crystal]

is it something like calculating data after each new updates/transaction??

[vocal basin]

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/tutorial-transactions.html

[teal crystal]

are we gonna use same thing for 1.43 billion?

[teal crystal]

got it thanks a lot

[rugged root]

I think I know why it bugs me

It's because inc is increment.

Was just too close in my brain

[teal crystal]

one more query
I have to search for mobile number of a user for verification check in 1.43 billion records or more than how that search happens in just 1-5(max) secs like governments, google, facebook do??

[vocal basin]

O(logN) queries are supported by indices

if you just need to find something by some value

@brazen gazelle learn Zig then

Rust is there for when you realise C++ is entirely bad

[vocal basin]

and Go, yes

C -> Zig, Go
C++, Haskell -> Rust

@somber heath it now also includes JITting

as one of definitions of what compiling CPython could potentially mean

@rugged root PyPy?

[brazen gazelle]

I don't really use OOP so I think Go will be next

plus I want to make some web APIs for work

[rugged root]

No the other compiler like Numba

[vocal basin]

what definition of OOP are you using?

[brazen gazelle]

I just don't use classes... idk

[vocal basin]

Java-style?

or inheritance specifically?

https://docs.python.org/extending

if I ever need to bind C++ to Python, I'd really rather do that through a Rust layer

Rust-C++ integration is relatively easy
Rust-Python integration is relatively easy

Python-C++ directly is not something I want

[tepid mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tim-calle-me-gif-10785166

[vocal basin]

in Python, do you use @dataclasses at least?

as equivalents of C structs

[brazen gazelle]

I've never been included in or have written a project that uses it

[rugged root]

named tuples vs data classes

WHO WILL WIN