voice-chat-text-0

[primal shadow]

O O

[alpine crater]

the outer one is a &mut T, the inner one is a wrapper around Weak<RefCell<T>> to the same data to allow you to reborrow it in async contexts

    impl<T: ComponentData> State<T> {
        /// Get a wrapper around `Weak<RefCell<T>>` which provides a safer api that aligns with
        /// framework assumptions.
        fn get_async_ctx(&mut self) -> AsyncCtx<T> {
            AsyncCtx { inner: self.weak() }
        }

        /// Spawn a async task in the local event loop, which will run on the next possible moment.
        pub fn use_async<C, F>(&mut self, func: C)
        where
            C: FnOnce(AsyncCtx<T>) -> F,
            F: Future<Output = ()> + 'static,
        {
            wasm_bindgen_futures::spawn_local(func(self.get_async_ctx()));
        }
    }

I should rename detach

[vocal basin]

ah, right, you need 'static

[alpine crater]

(and about the *ctx.borrow_mut().unwrap()... thing, that is just easier to do in integration tests)

[vocal basin]

why &mut on these two methods?

self.weak mutating something?

[alpine crater]

yhe they dont strictly need it

actually yhe why did I make those &mut

oh I remmember!

use_async should only be callable from event handlers (which have a &mut), not from render functions (which have a &)

... I should make that comment

[vocal basin]

yeah, then makes sense

[alpine crater]

yhe, basically render callbacks should be pure (how often they rerun isnt defined by the framework, except they rerun when state has changed).
ofc theres no way to actually enforce pure functions in rust, but at least I can restrict the frameworks apis

if people want to use RefCell and friends to mutate stuff in their render functions not much I can do

[vocal basin]

and you probably shouldn't strictly prevent that, because those might be used for optimisations (caching/memoisation), not only state management

[alpine crater]

I mean, I aim to provide framework features so you dont need to do that (like computed properties).
but yhe I guess leaving open the possibility for people to do side effects isnt the end of the world.

[vocal basin]

6th

[alpine crater]

depends on timezone

[vocal basin]

🇳🇱

this

greenlands

[alpine crater]

so .... we are
blue cross land

🇳🇴

[vocal basin]

blue cross
white cross (bold)
sea of red

[alpine crater]

🇳🇵

Program

[vocal basin]

"I shall still remain the one to mention wbw flag more than anyone else on the server"

[alpine crater]

atm I am working on a rust frontend framework

well this has been fun.
I shall be begin the process of sleep now.

https://tenor.com/view/milim-brb-bye-slime-anime-gif-21637414

[vocal basin]

I've just saw a website misidentify my IP location lmao

that little data trolling I did a while ago is working

[woeful blaze]

Yes

[round gust]

can some1 help

[willow light]

nothing like seeing earth scientist matlab code from ten years ago to remind myself just how far we've come

function equiv_theta = equiv_theta(theta,pres,mxratio)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% inputs: potential temperature (theta; K)
%         pressure (pres; Pa)
%         water vapor mixing ratio (mxratio; kg/kg)
%
%   Approximate calculation of equivalent potential temperature from
%       Stull (1988) sec.13.1 page 546 
%
%   Bonnie R. Brown, University of Hawai'i Manoa, April 2015
%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

cp = 1004;      % specific heat J/(K kg)
Lv = 2260e3;    % latent heat of vaporization J/kg
k = 0.286;      % R'/cp
poo = 100000;   % reference pressure 1000 hPa 

T = theta.*(pres./poo).^k;

equiv_theta = (T + (Lv/cp)*mxratio).*(poo./pres).^k;

[astral coral]

MEOW

[somber heath]

Heya, Verde.

[vestal merlin]

Hi

[somber heath]

Hello, Kensei.

[obsidian dragon]

very dooor open

[inner hill]

hi

hi

[inner hill]

hi

@whole bear voice cracking

[whole bear]

I'm drunk

[inner hill]

ohh

horn sound of bus,cars @whole bear

[whole bear]

street noise, I can't hear it through recording though

[inner hill]

@whole bear what's this noise

[whole bear]

yes, logical axioms cannot be proven within their systems

[somber heath]

@whole bear I was hearing electrronic noise from your end.

It's stopped now.

[whole bear]

yes, still?

nice

[somber heath]

@balmy yarrow 🖱️ 📢 👂

[vocal basin]

bwaa

[inner hill]

@somber heath what 's the time there

[somber heath]

@rough hound 👋

[vocal basin]

quite sure that's ch as in tsh not ch as kh/ck

[whole bear]

hello

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[rugged root]

I'll figure out how to say your name correctly soon

I promise

[whole bear]

it's normal

[rugged root]

I try to be good about it, though

[whole bear]

it's uses a sound that doesnt exist in english

[vocal basin]

third normal form name

@rugged root the answer is obviously to uninstall BIOS and use proper illumos distro

[willow light]

casually reinstalling stuff over and over and over until it works

[whole bear]

(Use cube os + custom bios)

[vocal basin]

BIOS-as-a-Service

if we don't get rid of the BIOS, it will be the normality

@rugged root "but is he really currently in the state that's okay to drive"

[whole bear]

To crack or not to crack the software that is the question

[rugged root]

Wait what does that have to do with BIOS?

[vocal basin]

idk bios got mentioned, this is the obvious response

[rugged root]

Whether tis nobler in the mind to pay the price or to risk the volley of viruses....

[whole bear]

the Bios has some backdoors

[vocal basin]

ew-fi?

[somber heath]

UEFI

[whole bear]

i now, but you know what i meant

[vocal basin]

bios doesn't have backdoors, bios is a backdoor

[whole bear]

meaw

the cat is so cute

[whole bear]

you can see it like this

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/cWDDx74s090

[whole bear]

but at the end just dont use tech and you will be fine

sim cards are litteraly a tracking device if used maliciously

[willow light]

on the agenda today: learning PyQt so I can make my own weather radar app. That way I don't need to spend $250 on a software license.

[vocal basin]

PySide

[whole bear]

or just use streamlit it's easy and good

(it offers good ui out of the box)

and if you know css you could go aroud and start tweaking the Ui

[somber heath]

@solid inlet 👋

[willow light]

Making the UI good is a secondary concern. The primary concern is recreating the basic functionality of this, which involves working with Level II NEXRAD files.

Either way step 1 is making UML and Sequence Diagrams

and step 2 is unit tests

(I can use this program for 30 days and then I have to either shell out $250 or use a bunch of jupyter notebooks)

[whole bear]

check this out https://folium.streamlit.app/

bruh

[vocal basin]

EwML

UML isn't proper engineering

[somber heath]

@odd sorrel 👋

[vocal basin]

first you make a fake UML, discard it completely
then you write code, then you make a real UML

though, according to one of the recent Theo videos, planning does get you promotions

the more inefficient it is, the better

[willow light]

and that's why I'm trying to find something similar to springboot for python

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/dGPlOjWxrKO.gif

[vocal basin]

step 1

FROM python:2

[somber heath]

@stoic dawn 👋

[stoic dawn]

helloo

[stuck furnace]

Ah yeah that's a Gehry building

[willow light]

OK that's too enterprisey

[stuck furnace]

Yeah it does look kind of AI generated 😄

Lego man head

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/grater-happy-gif-21739362

[willow light]

he also designed the guggenheim

[somber heath]

I don't mind that.

[somber heath]

This looks like the architectural equivalent of a hangover.

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[whole bear]

goddamned handwriting

[somber heath]

AF, you could have found a new calling.

[willow light]

Enjoy this. Always fun starting from Newton and going to this

[whole bear]

me who doesnt know anything 😐

[willow light]

adhd in a shellnut

[vocal basin]

ohno

@peak depot octothorp

[whole bear]

Damned writing

[whole bear]

no

it's like distorded when rotated yk

[balmy yarrow]

you could have just written it in English.

[somber heath]

Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. I-only-speak-Russian. 😄

[vocal basin]

I'm attempting

(intro to same wikipedia article, but this time in English not Russian)

[balmy yarrow]

xd

[spare galleon]

when downloading a game hits your cpu

[vocal basin]

decompression

[spare galleon]

what cat name?

@peak depot

awww cat went away

bring cat back

back to normal

[rugged root]

@wheat talon Yo

[wheat talon]

Hey, gotta yap more to get mic access

[peak depot]

Piuku

[spare galleon]

my fav motion captured videos in game is for westworld awakening

Steam

Westworld Awakening

Set during the events of Westworld Season 2, “Westworld Awakening” is a narrative-driven experience played from the perspective of Kate – a host within the Mesa facility who has attained self-awareness. To survive a dangerous underworld where no one and nothing is what it seems, you must take matters into your own hands and manipulate the world ...

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

380

▶ Play video

[wheat talon]

anyone doing homework? (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻

[rugged root]

God I hope not. I'm 35. If I'm still doing homework then I'm doing it wrong

[wheat talon]

you might have some due late you forgot about a few decades ago （︶^︶）

[rugged root]

That.... would not surprise me, actually

I was terrible about doing and turning in homework

[wheat talon]

Real

[rugged root]

Good at tests, terrible at homework

[wheat talon]

My AIs are good at tests

[vocal basin]

what type of tests

[wheat talon]

Moode hell mostly

Imagine seeing the beauty of this world

you look at this

and say

you know what this world lacks?

[somber heath]

Googly eyes?

[wheat talon]

A complex system for student management where you can block anyone's due late homework and create impossible tests

[rugged root]

Sounds like some I had in college

[wheat talon]

I also made a silly lil scraper for moodle to track which teachers are currently online so I can contact them ^^

and then another guy in the group made it 2x better

[rugged root]

Neat

[wheat talon]

@chilly wolf reading a textbook in 2025 is crazy

[wheat talon]

vaping is bad, guys

do drugs

or don't

[alpine crater]

[wheat talon]

Jesus Christ how much should I yap to get the access

[urban abyss]

def is_directory_empty(directory):
    """Checks if a directory is empty.

    Args:
        directory: The path to the directory.

    Returns:
        True if the directory is empty, False otherwise.
    """
    if not os.path.isdir(directory):
        logging.info(f"Error: '{directory}' is not a valid directory.")
        return False  # Or you might want to raise an exception here

    return not any(os.scandir(directory))

How badly does this smell of Gemini? (see comment)

[wheat talon]

50 messages

[rugged root]

I'll double check

[alpine crater]

yhe the doc strings has pretty reduant info (but also some linters will yell if you dont have those sections)

[scarlet halo]

chat is this normal?

[somber heath]

6 more.

[alpine crater]

for what workload?

[scarlet halo]

LLM

[vocal basin]

seems to come through the mic

[wheat talon]

I can do this

[rugged root]

Looks like a sky scraper

[wheat talon]

thanks ^^

[alpine crater]

yhe yes, thats normal.
you want it doing as much as possible on gpu

[whole bear]

too bad

[alpine crater]

like heres me running deepseek

[rugged root]

It's not too terrible, thankfully

[somber heath]

I'm getting Ghost in the Shell vibes. A little bit high tech, a little bit post apocalyptic.

[rugged root]

Or like the opening to a show

The title crawl and what not

[wheat talon]

@alpine crater you also force-muted?

[alpine crater]

nope

just not much of a talker

[rugged root]

Viv's staff

[somber heath]

|

[rugged root]

Co-worker is back here. Minimal talking now

[vocal basin]

okay I was searching memes for @peak depot but this one is definitely for @rugged root

[alpine crater]

I sometimes have one line functions that are only used once

[urban abyss]

class DirectoryManager:
    """
    Manages directory operations like listing, creating, and retrieving names.
    """

    @staticmethod
    def get_paths(path):
        """
        Returns a list of all directory paths within a given directory.

        Args:
            path: The path to the directory to search.

        Returns:
            A list of directory paths.
        """
        return [entry.path for entry in os.scandir(path) if entry.is_dir()]

    @staticmethod
    def get_name(path):
        """
        Returns the name of the directory from a given path.

        Args:
            path: The path to the directory.

        Returns:
            The name of the directory.
        """
        return os.path.basename(path)

[alpine crater]

like I should prolly just inline this method (its used once)

        fn get_async_ctx(&mut self) -> AsyncCtx<T> {
            AsyncCtx { inner: self.weak() }
        }

( )

if your class only has static methods you are doing it wrong

what you want is a module

[wheat talon]

dumb question: just with functions instead of this one class, right?

[alpine crater]

yep, just have a directory_utils.py instead

[urban abyss]

I think the person who wrote that snippet is doing a lot more wrong.

[somber heath]

Mm. You don't want to use a class just for the namespacing.

[vocal basin]

"п looks too much like н, д looks to much like ф, and it's probably worth saying that sending a screenshot with (an attempt at) homophobic lexicon is an unwise idea"

[wheat talon]

This needs more "ChatGPT"

[vocal basin]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/std/autodiff/index.html

[urban abyss]

Another reason I assume this person is Gemini-ing a lot is they keep switching our Path objects to strs to pass to os to do some general path functionality in a separate function even after asking them to use the pathlib equiv 😅

[vocal basin]

that's not the word on the screenshot

[willow light]

Or they're in enterprise, where it's almost expected to do weird shit like that, in my experience at least.

excuse me while I write up a huge and complex CLI program using only sys and os and no other standard library functionality.

[wheat talon]

i had to do hard math once right after final school exams when I decided to build a virtual steering wheel with steering and throttle,
and I just opened VSC and rawdogged the formula to calculate wheel rotation using player's bones and stuff from the camera lol I can't even remember what the name of that math function is right now 😂😂

[rugged root]

@molten pewter Suuuuuup

[molten pewter]

sup

[willow light]

the last time I had to do hard math was when I tutored a friend in atmospheric dynamics, where I had to derive the acceleration due to gravity corrected for latitude

as part of determining the coriolis parameter

[urban abyss]

That I would understand. Unfortunately, I don't think so in this case 😦

[somber heath]

@wheat talon Give the gate a go.

Then leave the voice chat and rejoin.

Once you have the role.

[wheat talon]

what are you 😮

[peak depot]

Any Ghost fans around?

https://tenor.com/view/cardinal-copia-copia-ghost-ghost-band-the-band-ghost-gif-8794142019966457860

[urban abyss]

is that MJ?

[peak depot]

No

[wheat talon]

yay

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-copia-ghost-bc-ghost-band-jimmy-kimmel-gif-25392038

[rugged root]

You'll need to disconnect/reconnect if you haven't already. That's what you have to do to get the permission to kick in

Discord being Discord

[wheat talon]

thx it's all good I've tried it

[alpine crater]

I mean

hopefully the sirens will sound before the nukes hit

[rugged root]

There's not a lot of time for that to happen

Matter of minutes

If that

[willow light]

Maximum of 90 minutes

[rugged root]

@molten pewter I WISH you could trust it

https://tenor.com/xAYT.gif

[somber heath]

~

[molten pewter]

iWish the New phone from Apple, that costs less than 300$

[rugged root]

Damn. That's kind of awesome. Context: Friend of someone made a lot of money from Wish.

Drop shipping? Context: Someone posed the question of how they made that money. Answer was using a bot/automation

[alpine crater]

you know what I hate? implementing features that cant be tested until they are fully done

[rugged root]

There, context preserved.

[rugged root]

Ah yes, the anxiety style of development

[willow light]

on the plus side, now I don't need to install a chromium browser to update my keyboard

[willow garnet]

can someone help plz #1347253421358452819 message

[willow light]

at my old job, test, perf, qa, and prod were all used exactly the same way.

[alpine crater]

I mean, at least I am not pushing to prod

[rugged root]

Yet

[alpine crater]

its just there arent any smaller compoents you can test without just testing the whole features

[rugged root]

It needs something more like integration testing?

[alpine crater]

basically yhe

[willow light]

vietnam style flashbacks of the time the entire backend broke because someone did an "emergency" prod push ||during peak business hours|| that consisted entirely of reformatting a single lua file

[alpine crater]

isolating it into units requires mocking out a BUNCH of stuff, soo

[rugged root]

iT reQuIRes mOCkinG

Sorry, couldn't help myself

[alpine crater]

yhe I run tests in a headless browsers

#[derive(Component, Default)]
struct Toggle {
    value: bool,
}

impl Component for Toggle {
    fn render() -> impl Element<Self::Data> {
        e::button()
            .id(ROOT)
            .attr("abc", |ctx: &S<Self>| *ctx.value)
            .on("click", |ctx: &mut S<Self>| {
                *ctx.value = !*ctx.value;
            })
    }
}

#[wasm_bindgen_test]
fn reactive_bool() {
    crate::setup();
    mount_component(Toggle::default(), crate::MOUNT_POINT);

    let button = crate::get(ROOT);

    assert_eq!(button.get_attribute("abc"), None);

    button.click();
    assert_eq!(button.get_attribute("abc"), Some("".to_owned()));

    button.click();
    assert_eq!(button.get_attribute("abc"), None);
}

[willow light]

I was on-call when that breakage happened. I still get jumpy when I hear the teams notification sound as a result

[alpine crater]

idk if integration tests are the exact right term, more like e2e

(tbh testing categories confuse me)

[rugged root]

Fear and anxiety is the correct response

[willow light]

the last time I had to do testing in enterprise, the entirety of the testing for the entire mission-critical repo was

assert 1 == 1

[alpine crater]

oh gods

[rugged root]

Like end to end, integration, and unit?

If you ever find out, let me know

It also confuses me

[willow light]

so I had to figure out what the code did from scratch, and they did not know how to name variables

the documentation consisted entirely of "get up at 3am so you can call Vijay while he's actually awake"

[alpine crater]

like these tests run in a headless browser with a real dom etc, so its kinda integration testing.
but also they use a unit testing framework, and test small units (and also indirectly test that a lot of other stuff works)

[vocal basin]

@rugged root more efficient at losing money

[alpine crater]

like you cant test reactive attributes without also testing the reactivity system and component mounting indirectly

[willow light]

that reminds me, for the longest time, our entire authentication process involved selenium, outlook, and a service account with the password ||password||

[vocal basin]

just imagine if Knight Capital was using AI

[willow light]

This is why I always joke "wait you guys are testing your code?!?" whenever the topic comes up, since I was literally the only person in my team writing tests before pushing to prod.

[rugged root]

Back in a sec, have to think

[alpine crater]

this test suit is like super fucking overkill.
(are you familiar with rust features?)

I am running the native and wasm tests on both stable and nightly against every possible combination of feature flags

    cargo +stable hack nextest run --feature-powerset --skip nightly --no-tests warn
    cargo +nightly hack nextest run --feature-powerset --features nightly --ignore-unknown-features --no-tests warn

@molten pewter my favorite this is when models just assume they know how a library they havent seen works.

like I give it code using my custom library, and its like "ACTUALLY THIS LIBRARY SHOULD BE USED LIKE ..."

(because it assumed its like other libraries)

[vocal basin]

write tests after bugs are found in prod 👍

[whole bear]

I'd like to question to Americans:
Is US white only country?
As when the right to Citizenship Act was passed, president of US objected it with concern that it will allow Chinese and Roma people to be citizen as well as and other alien.
He had no concern with Black African to be Citizen as this law was passed when civil war was ended or at verge of end

[rugged root]

I just thought of something stupid

[whole bear]

neovim is such a surrogate activity

[rugged root]

When someone does something crazy but cool and they identify as male, I'd call them a "mad man". Likewise, if they identify as female, I'd say "mad woman". I don't know what I'd say for someone who identifies as non-binary. This is probably a really stupid question / thought / statement

[rugged root]

How so?

[whole bear]

provides the sense of achievement for something insignificant

[rugged root]

Eh... if it works it works. Now me taking on a tough hunt in Monster Hunter, THAT'D be a surrogate activity

[whole bear]

@rugged root

[rugged root]

US is not a white only country, or it shouldn't be. There's a lot of push from extremists who want it that way, but the original vision or dream of the US was us being a melting pot of cultures. What's happening now (and several times in history) go against that core ideal

[whole bear]

that's such a ridiculous claim considering literally the whole history of your country, at no point this ideal of yours was pursued

[rugged root]

I agree

We are not the good guys in history

Despite what a lot of people here think (here being the US)

And you're right, it's probably wishful thinking

We like having a scape goat

[whole bear]

China and Taiwan are inseparable!
Taiwanese are aware of it, they know sonner or later they will unite with China, but they wouldn't like to lose democratic rights

[rugged root]

"Unite"

[rugged root]

Annexed is likely the better term

[whole bear]

Yes, China and Taiwan both has shared interest with regards to border of China , South China Sea cliam and many more

[vocal basin]

not achieving the ideal and not behaving ideally does not mean not pursuing the ideal

[whole bear]

China claim 9 dash line, Taiwan claim 12.
They call China Chinese fool to give up 2 lines to the Vietnam

[rugged root]

"Give us your poor, your weak, your huddled masses"

Or something like that

[whole bear]

who said so? you're absolutely the best. morals are very overrated

[whole bear]

Not really as I'm in Facebook group with them

I'm only non taiwanese in that group LOL

[vocal basin]

lmao

what a timing for some random channel to post that

[whole bear]

In fact they have two Political Group, One supports the China and One demand the independence

[vocal basin]

@molten pewter you don't even need to hide payment in the US

lobbying

[rugged root]

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. We've over thrown governments because they were inconvenient to us, we've done awful things to our own citizens (see project MK Ultra), we've put people in camps and denied people rights (see Japanese in WW2 and the Irish much earlier in our history), we've shoved the native people out of their land (see The Trail of Tears)

We're not the good guys

[vocal basin]

've put
've shoved
* 've been putting
* 've been shoving

[rugged root]

Good point

The Mexican border is a perfect example of that

We suck

[whole bear]

what's wrong with that? enemies smashed, you prospered, you'll continue while they won't, I think one should have good sportsmanship and strive to defeat his enemies instead of blaming them for being the absolute scum of the earth

[rugged root]

And the parts about not taking care of our own citizens?

[whole bear]

yep, that's bad

[rugged root]

MK Ultra is scary shit

[whole bear]

I think Lee Kuan Yew's prediction about US is almost true.
He told that US debt is not as big deal as the debt to any other country as they have to pay in their own currency,
but the inflation is inevitable for USA, sonner or later it has to face it due to high debt!

• Wise words by Singapore's Founder and longest serving Prime Minister

[rugged root]

But we make being homeless illegal. People who are in a very tough and terrible situation. People who do want to work. We dismiss them, we punish them, we deny them the help they need.

We make healthcare expensive or unavailable to people

There are families that have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet

And the thing we're told?

You aren't working hard enough

You should have saved more

Sucks to be you

[whole bear]

You can make it affordable without making it as subsidy!

[rugged root]

You're preaching to the choir

It's just discouraging

Disheartening

Exhausting

Sorry, I'm being a bleeding heart right now

[alpine crater]

its for those games were you installed mods

duhhhh

[whole bear]

Singapore’s Central Provident Fund (CPF), which takes small portion of earning of individual which can be used by Individuals as pension and to pay of medical bills..

Without making it subsidy

[rugged root]

No argument here

[whole bear]

I think that's called taxes

[whole bear]

No

As this money are invested

Not used by government

Because it will inflate if they won't invest it!

[rugged root]

@brazen comet Yo

[whole bear]

this fund is as big as Singapore's GDP.
So they did great job in managing those money!

[alpine crater]

same! theres like one story game I have finished

[dense ibex]

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-DXP2800-Quad-core-Attached-Diskless/dp/B0D22HBFK1/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=RLA9SA5TIG5X&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Xwl21hIIrAr9Sq4zV8p7X5euZ-j_0GxOclaTYQES7c7m9SMmv0ZWOGn91mR2BmZ6ZdFknDqjbv3zgDI_Rp9LeFIMSGQdpTOH7f-z6KejkCRehP7VcoNupDTcCm0K_xZZWFw54xxbgA-W-IUIAlu6O8SVh-AU3JHE0tq3etOyH5MBYaPKF7WnuM3oH7mDjbNfTev3dZEsCR7igucV5_Vl5b7oOUZ9OZPdu6F5lRXm5B4.kl5MSC8KQsfTVLqzBOxkhcfKbF99mrKCrQOIbYzLGHs&dib_tag=se&keywords=nas&qid=1741283810&sprefix=nas%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

[alpine crater]

procedrual macro

I am writting a macro

yhe compile time rust code

to generate more rust

me?

a few years

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[wise cargo]

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[alpine crater]

6 years

[dense ibex]

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[alpine crater]

I was

fun fact, firefox webdriver likes to randomly fail starting

I should move the firefox test earlier in the test suit

so if it fails it fails early

but yhe atm I am adding computed properties to my frontend framework

https://github.com/vivax3794/natrix

so many todos

[whole bear]

I hope you said that ironically

[alpine crater]

its not production ready no

(I am slowly getting there tho!)

well I mean, techically you can use it

its just missing some nice to have features

like scoped css

or sub components

(also missing docs)

I dont do work

...

I might be getting something work soon, hopefully, maybe

[dense ibex]

nice

[alpine crater]

if not its off to uni

[rugged root]

Kill me

[dense ibex]

fair yeah

[rugged root]

The US flip flops on the term

[alpine crater]

here its just called uni

[whole bear]

Hello there!

Yes

I can hear that!

[alpine crater]

(side note if you are writing proc macros this crate a is a godsend, idk how it only has 17 stars, https://github.com/yasuo-ozu/template_quote )

let me TLDR

so in general a macro is something that takes some code and makes code

the rust macros_rules! macro is basically just a complex templating engine

procedural macros let you write full on code

[whole bear]

C lang?

[alpine crater]

basically it compiles a small program, runs it with the input code, and injects the output into the orignal source

[whole bear]

Yes it does have

[alpine crater]

(it prolly doesnt actually compile to native code, idk how it works internally)

nope

its just full on rust

[dense ibex]

so what's the benefit to that?

why not just write a regular function?

[alpine crater]

well regular functions cant generate code

[dense ibex]

but a regular macro already does that?

[alpine crater]

proc macros can do more

[whole bear]

It has namely three stage as Preprocessing Stage, Text Substitution and Compilation

[alpine crater]

for example a derive macro can auto generate == implementation for example

you can do some of the same with macro_rules!, but it gets complex really fast

I looked at the go tour once, hated it

[whole bear]

#define SQUARE(x) ((x) * (x))

int main() {
    int result = SQUARE(5);
}

after preprocessing ( this is what Compiler Sees) :

int main() {
    int result = ((5) * (5));
}

[alpine crater]

@whole bear we are talking rust

[whole bear]

My bad

But it should be similar

[alpine crater]

for example this macro here takes a struct, and generates a new struct where every field is wrapped in a Signal (among other things)

[whole bear]

if not same!

[alpine crater]

    quote! {
        #[doc(hidden)]
        #(if is_named) {
            pub struct #data_name #generics {
                #(for field in &fields) {
                        pub #{field.access.clone()}: ::natrix::macro_ref::Signal<#{field.type_.clone()}, Self>,
                }
                #(if has_computed) {
                    #[doc(hidden)]
                    __cache: #computed_name
                }
            }
        } #(else) {
            pub struct #data_name #generics (
                #(for field in &fields) {
                        pub ::natrix::macro_ref::Signal<#{field.type_.clone()}, Self>,
                }
                #(if has_computed) {
                    #[doc(hidden)]
                    #computed_name
                }
            );
        }

[whole bear]

How would it in preprocessing?

[alpine crater]

wdym?

[whole bear]

I mean before compilation

[alpine crater]

it happens during compilation

the proc macro code is compiled, then used to generate more code

[whole bear]

Hmm

[spark girder]

This hurts my head

[whole bear]

Ah I see

[alpine crater]

yhe macros are generally considerd the dark arts

this might be simpler to understand ```rust
#[proc_macro_attribute]
pub fn computed(
attr: proc_macro::TokenStream,
item: proc_macro::TokenStream,
) -> proc_macro::TokenStream {
let item: syn::ItemImpl = syn::parse(item).unwrap();
let type_ = item.self_ty;
let name = get_name(&type_);

let computed_name = format_ident!("_{name}Computed");
let data_name = format_ident!("_{name}Data");

quote!(
    #[derive(Default)]
    struct #computed_name {}

    impl #data_name {}
)
.into()

}

(WIP so doesnt do much)

[whole bear]

I can understand most of it

Even though I have no idea about rust!

[alpine crater]

well thats a good sign then

[agile yacht]

dude i gotta do so much assignments

smh

[whole bear]

It looks Quite similar to JS

[rugged root]

Homework stuff?

[agile yacht]

yea lol

locked in rn

[spark girder]

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/discord-statistics/
https://blog.getlatka.com/discord-revenue/
https://sacra.com/c/discord/
https://helplama.com/discord-statistics/
https://usesignhouse.com/blog/discord-stats/

[whole bear]

they spent more over 100 to 300 million

And has raised 1 billion since it's inception

[rugged root]

All I'm finding are revenue numbers...

[whole bear]

I used deepseek to find about it!

[rugged root]

Isn't the data it has from 2023 or something? Or did you just feed it these sites

[alpine crater]

whats this naming, why is the return type field named output (which is of type ReturnType)

[whole bear]

Nah I used the search feature

it browse the content on web

No data on net revenue

[rugged root]

Yeah it's just revenue without any info on expenses

Bugs me

[whole bear]

Yes

But they did made 600 Million in 2024

[dense ibex]

yeah but they probally lost a billion

[whole bear]

@whole bear Share your channel please!

[whole bear]

No

They have raised around 1 billion so far

so doesn't make sense

if they are making 600 milion in just 2024

[dense ibex]

yeah, they have money in the bank im not saying that

but they only made 600 million in 2023 or whatever the year was

they lost probably a billion this is me just speculating but it shouldn't be too far off

all im saying is they aren't profitable

[whole bear]

But how billion?

If they have 600 in revenue in 2024 and raised 1 billion since it's inception?

[alpine crater]

brb, me hungry, and thinking hard

[dense ibex]

You can lose money? revenue isn't the same as profit

[whole bear]

Good!

[dense ibex]

Sure they have made 600 million in revenue but they most defiantly aren't profitable

the reason they are still alive is because as you said

investors

keeping them alive

their revenue def helps but without investors they would've been screwed

[whole bear]

@woeful salmon Are you from Southern India?

[woeful salmon]

no i just have a bunch of southern friends

i pick up accents from people near me sometimes

[whole bear]

Really?

So you live in southern state?

[woeful salmon]

no i live in delhi

[whole bear]

@umbral sail Dude, could you share your youtube?

[woeful salmon]

he doesn't want to because it'd cause pressure if more people look at it he said so lets leave it for now 🙂

he will share if he's comfortable

[whole bear]

Okay

unreal is best

Tuple , touple?
It's tuple

[woeful salmon]

i personally like unity better but yes unreal engine 4 is not bad

[whole bear]

He may confused couple to touple

[woeful salmon]

unreal engine 5 i just don't like. its good for a developer but its so hard to make an omtimal game in that engine

trades game's performance for developer convenience not a huge fan

[whole bear]

@sweet sorrel It says top yapping!

[woeful salmon]

ah also godot 😄 its also pretty good now

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/silversqueeze-silver-wallstreetsilver-keepstacking-keepstackin-gif-24643213

[rugged root]

Any love for Godot?

[woeful salmon]

it is pretty good

[woeful salmon]

btw hemlock i've spent my last 2 weeks just in blender

[whole bear]

Dude it

[rugged root]

Making anything in particular?

[whole bear]

must be silver

[sweet sorrel]

I think it is silver. I think the black may be lead

[whole bear]

It's looks like a coin

But not sure!

It may have some value other than silver value!

[woeful salmon]

everything, i made my first really bad looking character, i've made a whole lot of different props again to get a hang on all the tools again and been making some animations recently

[whole bear]

But I would pay a chewed chewing gum and 2 cents, deal?

[woeful salmon]

i gotta go for now see you all later ^^

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/mumford-and-sons-marcus-mumford-mumford-facepalm-oh-my-gif-16561547

https://tenor.com/view/adorable-duck-bad-days-cute-disappointed-disappointment-gif-12484154820240276693

[teal crystal]

Explain how the count method is implemented in Python.

What is the specific algorithm used by Python (CPython), and how does it differ from the most simple implementation?

Guys, explain these things please
@spark girder

[spark girder]

Please don't ping me 🙂 next time just ask the group

[short owl]

as soon as you said "network shares" I started laughing

[alpine crater]

and back

[teal crystal]

i had listened you before and i find you knowledgeable

[spark girder]

As for what the algorithm is I BELIEVE the python comparison of how they did it in C is something like

def naive_count(haystack, needle):
    count = 0
    for i in range(len(haystack) - len(needle) + 1):
        if haystack[i:i+len(needle)] == needle:
            count += 1
    return count

[short owl]

sounds like fraud

[teal crystal]

it looks simple loop, is it that only or anything else also in low level?

[spark girder]

That's without any of the C optimizations

I just checked CPython's github this is the whole file

/* stringlib: find/index implementation */

#ifndef STRINGLIB_FASTSEARCH_H
#error must include "stringlib/fastsearch.h" before including this module
#endif

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(Py_ssize_t)
STRINGLIB(find)(const STRINGLIB_CHAR* str, Py_ssize_t str_len,
               const STRINGLIB_CHAR* sub, Py_ssize_t sub_len,
               Py_ssize_t offset)
{
    Py_ssize_t pos;

    assert(str_len >= 0);
    if (sub_len == 0)
        return offset;

    pos = FASTSEARCH(str, str_len, sub, sub_len, -1, FAST_SEARCH);

    if (pos >= 0)
        pos += offset;

    return pos;
}

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(Py_ssize_t)
STRINGLIB(rfind)(const STRINGLIB_CHAR* str, Py_ssize_t str_len,
                const STRINGLIB_CHAR* sub, Py_ssize_t sub_len,
                Py_ssize_t offset)
{
    Py_ssize_t pos;

    assert(str_len >= 0);
    if (sub_len == 0)
        return str_len + offset;

    pos = FASTSEARCH(str, str_len, sub, sub_len, -1, FAST_RSEARCH);

    if (pos >= 0)
        pos += offset;

    return pos;
}

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(Py_ssize_t)
STRINGLIB(find_slice)(const STRINGLIB_CHAR* str, Py_ssize_t str_len,
                     const STRINGLIB_CHAR* sub, Py_ssize_t sub_len,
                     Py_ssize_t start, Py_ssize_t end)
{
    return STRINGLIB(find)(str + start, end - start, sub, sub_len, start);
}

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(Py_ssize_t)
STRINGLIB(rfind_slice)(const STRINGLIB_CHAR* str, Py_ssize_t str_len,
                      const STRINGLIB_CHAR* sub, Py_ssize_t sub_len,
                      Py_ssize_t start, Py_ssize_t end)
{
    return STRINGLIB(rfind)(str + start, end - start, sub, sub_len, start);
}

#ifdef STRINGLIB_WANT_CONTAINS_OBJ

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(int)
STRINGLIB(contains_obj)(PyObject* str, PyObject* sub)
{
    return STRINGLIB(find)(
        STRINGLIB_STR(str), STRINGLIB_LEN(str),
        STRINGLIB_STR(sub), STRINGLIB_LEN(sub), 0
        ) != -1;
}

#endif /* STRINGLIB_WANT_CONTAINS_OBJ */

[short owl]

I just assume all company e-mails are spied on @sweet sorrel

[spark girder]

That's their find.h file which is a larger part of the .count() but if you want to see the whole backend for .count() there are like 13 files you'd have to look at.

This is the part that you're directly calling

/* stringlib: count implementation */

#ifndef STRINGLIB_FASTSEARCH_H
#error must include "stringlib/fastsearch.h" before including this module
#endif

// gh-97982: Implementing asciilib_count() is not worth it, FASTSEARCH() does
// not specialize the code for ASCII strings. Use ucs1lib_count() for ASCII and
// UCS1 strings: it's the same than asciilib_count().
#if !STRINGLIB_IS_UNICODE || STRINGLIB_MAX_CHAR > 0x7Fu

Py_LOCAL_INLINE(Py_ssize_t)
STRINGLIB(count)(const STRINGLIB_CHAR* str, Py_ssize_t str_len,
                const STRINGLIB_CHAR* sub, Py_ssize_t sub_len,
                Py_ssize_t maxcount)
{
    Py_ssize_t count;

    if (str_len < 0)
        return 0; /* start > len(str) */
    if (sub_len == 0)
        return (str_len < maxcount) ? str_len + 1 : maxcount;

    count = FASTSEARCH(str, str_len, sub, sub_len, maxcount, FAST_COUNT);

    if (count < 0)
        return 0; /* no match */

    return count;
}

#endif

[short owl]

I like it when lawyers get in shit

[teal crystal]

what is written in 13 files for a simple character count in an array of characters?

[spark girder]

.count() is part of a larger array of systems that all intertwine within eachother

It was also an exageration

Personally I've followed the idea that Python is less of a language and more an API of other languages

[short owl]

Hmmm thats actually a interesting problem - avalanche of data and how to display it ..... @sweet sorrel

[spark girder]

Cause realistically python is just an API to code written in C, C++, Rust, Fortran, Java, C#, Go, Swift, Julia, Javascript, and Assembly. Obviously it's got it's own syntax and semantics and looks nothing like your general idea of an API link.tld/api-entrace/section/data/{data} but that's really what any language is in my opinion. Just an API calling on code in another language whether that be C, C++, Rust, Assembly, etc.

and the reason I said 13 is cause for files it is a large number and .count() passes through an entire system before reaching count.h

So yeah

[teal crystal]

yep
now, new trend started, people are building things around rust to be used using python
: )

[spark girder]

That's what everyone does. It's a solid choice as well. Taking the performance, efficiency, and controllability of rust and implementing it into python

I wish we did this more with other languages

But we're locked in with C++, Rust, and Python so yeah those are the only languages anyone really writes modules in that they expect to go public.

[teal crystal]

@spark girder what is your problem, where you stuck?

[alpine crater]

hahaha

thats my style

I literally wrote out a kanban board, with priorities etc... then did a bunch of low priority stuff

xD

[willow light]

Kanban Plugin for Obsidian goes brrrrr

[short owl]

from that description , he is a target of the worst possible kind @spark girder

[alpine crater]

notion

[willow light]

Monthly fee.

[alpine crater]

nooo?

its free

[willow light]

Notion also is extremely difficult to migrate from, whereas obsidian/zettlr/logsec use markdown.

[teal crystal]

yep, generally we doesn't find but there are good project
one is like, encore.ts written in rust for js/ts
and there are many

[alpine crater]

just export your pages to csv

[willow light]

Who tf uses CSV instead of json in 2025?

[alpine crater]

I mean...

its table data

csv makes sense

and also csv is still widely used

[short owl]

nice and portable

[willow light]

With and without the plug-in, still easy to use

[alpine crater]

I just like notion being cross platform

and the databases are easier to setup

[teal crystal]

i don't know why things written in c for python are slow, when other library comes for it in rust, then it mostly outperform c based library
even when rust has some overheads
even when c is very much old

[willow light]

It's in the cloud, which is a huge red flag for my notes. I want 100% control over 100% of my notes 100% of the time.

[whole bear]

Not really

That's the only thing which makes python more efficient

[willow light]

Only person I can trust in this use case is myself

[whole bear]

It's library in C

[whole bear]

C is old but it's core language for most language.
Rust is not as fast as C and Rust is not core language.

[alpine crater]

I... well..
C can be faster in theory

but when just writting code rust generally is better at optimizing

[whole bear]

But in general it's compilation time is slower

[whole bear]

Yes as it's high lvl lang

[willow light]

WRT notion/markdown, we can agree to disagree, since you clearly have different priorities and needs than I do. And before my tendency to treat arguments as attacks (yes i am working on it) turns this into a flamewar. I'm a lil passionate about zettlekasten in case it isn't obvious.

[alpine crater]

rust can be low level

[short owl]

how about RUST for microcontrollers ? @spark girder

[whole bear]

It can be used as like low level but it's high lvl language

[amber raptor]

Rust is considered low level

[whole bear]

It's both Ig?

[alpine crater]

I like to call it middle level

[whole bear]

https://www.rust-lang.org/learn
As per this it's both

[alpine crater]

😮

rust is perfect for everything

[spark girder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sw7ob6/why_is_rust_not_concidered_low_level/

[amber raptor]

For web, a ton of other languages will get you going much faster.

[alpine crater]

rust is going to be perfect for web

[spark girder]

The level we are talking about here is level of abstraction. It is not about how close to the machine you can get, but how many layers of abstraction there are.

The same applies to C++, you still can use raw pointers, malloc, read from and write to memory at specific adresses... But C++ gives you high level concepts you can reason with such as classes. The dispatch tables of class methods are totaly handled by the compiler. In C you would have to write your own concept of class with a structure containing pointers to functions for example.

Rust is the same. You can do low level programming with it but it has traits, closures, and the move semantics is by itself an abstraction over how memory is managed.

You could say that C is higher level than assembly because it has structures (it takes care of memory layout) types (behavior of operators depend on type of data) and procedures/functions (it manages the stack for you). But C is not as high level as C++ or Rust which give higher level concepts to play with.

P.S. High or low level is kind of subjective as people who come from garbage collected languages can think of Rust as low level, and People who write bare metal assembly or even use RTLs (Register Treansfert Languages) such as Verilog or VHDL will see Rust as super high level

• GelHydroalcoolique

[alpine crater]

can your js do this /s

[amber raptor]

:doubt:

[spark girder]

I wish WebAssembly was better 😦 I was really looking forward to using it

[alpine crater]

whats so bad about wasm

[spark girder]

I've never personally used it but every time I ask someone about it their response starts with a very concerned "ehhhhhhhhh"

[whole bear]

Make sense!

[teal crystal]

according to your point, then all languages are high level than like c++, c#
bcoz c is mother of all
all other languages are just wrapper around it with different features & technique of optimizations

[spark girder]

This is why I love reddit. You get so much shit post but then when you need the explanation you can't think of you can find it so quickly!

[alpine crater]

because they dont have any actually good wasm frontend frameworks yet

[whole bear]

wdym?

[alpine crater]

but still like this is nice ```rust
use natrix::prelude::*;

#[derive(Component, Default)]
struct Root {
counter: u8,
}

impl Component for Root {
fn render() -> impl ElementSelf::Data {
e::button::Self::Data()
.on("click", |ctx: &mut S<Self>| {
*ctx.counter += 1;
})
.attr("disabled", |ctx: &S<Self>| *ctx.counter > 5)
.text(|ctx: &S<Self>| *ctx.counter)
.attr("style", |ctx: &S<Self>| {
format!("font-size: {}rem;", *ctx.counter + 1)
})
}
}

fn main() {
mount_component(Root::default(), "mount");
}

[spark girder]

Yeah, overall I've just seen from other people's experience and use that WASM is insanely slow for most things that it was meant to replace JS and TS in

[alpine crater]

the main pain point is no wasm native dom access

[amber raptor]

There is no JS -> Wasm easy to do. Also a bit of solution looking for a problem.

[spark girder]

This dude really pushed me away from it in a conversation 2-3 weeks ago.

[alpine crater]

I mean using rust on frontend is a usecase

[spark girder]

Very intuitive explanation as well which is what I liked 🙂

[alpine crater]

because safety and stuff is kinda nice for client code

[amber raptor]

Whole 5 people who want this will be thrilled.

[alpine crater]

you do know rust frontend frameworks are popular right?

[spark girder]

Personally, I'll just stick with node.js I like it better (however bad I am at typescript)

[whole bear]

But why rust?

In front-end?

[alpine crater]

like this has 17k stars https://github.com/leptos-rs/leptos

hmm?

[spark girder]

The goal of rust after many revamps of the goal is really an end-all be-all.

[amber raptor]

Hi, my name is vue and those are rookie numbers:

[spark girder]

"We want to be your one-stop shop for everything! And we're using the community to make this happen."

[alpine crater]

it literally just x5, for a young domain its not bad

[amber raptor]

And here is React: "Wait, are the peasants fighting again?"

[alpine crater]

I didnt say rust was replacing js any time soon

[spark girder]

Y'all over here comparing libraries and frameworks, plebs. I just ask ChatGPT what would work best for my use case lol

[alpine crater]

js is fucking awfull

[whole bear]

JS community is more matured when it comes to web development

[alpine crater]

you do know.... js frameworks have a compile step ... right?

you think the browser just runs your .vue files?

[amber raptor]

I mean two, once if you include tree shaking and once at JIT in the browser

[alpine crater]

errors as values is really nice

I know rust

I like rust

my backend is rust

no leptos is frontend

leptos is wasm

[teal crystal]

now we have bun, deno upgrade of simple js

[alpine crater]

(I hate DX of leptos, btw)

[whole bear]

Tbh all these lang are used in traditional computer, future is Quantum computer so many more language are yet to be explored!

[alpine crater]

(I hate the dx of most rust frontend frameworks)

(which is why I am making my own)

[amber raptor]

Sure, but to run dynamic code in a browser, it must be JS and then REST API/GraphQL/Whatever to a backend

or they could ship WASM

[teal crystal]

it not gonna be for normal people & their normal usecase

[alpine crater]

wasm... is sandboxed

[whole bear]

Not really.
We are in transition.

[alpine crater]

you can analyze wasm

js is often minimized

[whole bear]

https://youtu.be/wSHmygPQukQ?si=oTnfXZ_ZVdNgQbV0

[alpine crater]

minimizing also gets rid of names etc

yes

and how is wasm different

security scanners run on native code just fine

okay, so we should never install anything ever either on our computer?

[teal crystal]

what you gonna do with it?
are you gonna use it to play triple title high end games without gpu?

[amber raptor]

Probably not, which is why everyone loves working the browser?

[alpine crater]

right, and wasm is safe to run

if you are worried about tampering thats what TLS is for

[spark girder]

You're thinking of ROP detection or Binary analysis. I've noticed security scanners more often use something like Fuzzing

Take fake data or a honeypot and pass it into untrusted code.

[whole bear]

None of ur business what I gonna do.
But having Quantum Computer over Traditional Computer is better as it's more energy efficient and powerful

[alpine crater]

no

because wasm is safe to run

right

[spark girder]

"I trust a system that has been proven only as safe as the system it runs on"

[alpine crater]

if the sandbox is bugged, js isnt safe either

yhe

its just assembly, but cross-platform

[amber raptor]

JS sandbox has also has 15 years of battle testing.

[alpine crater]

and wasm uses that

[spark girder]

Not to mention you can trick a system into falling back to HTTP leaving TLS out of the equation, SNI Exposure has been a concerned, even something as old as the Heartbleed Bug in OpenSSL back in 2014 has still seen problems occur.

[alpine crater]

and you can make the same thing for wasm if you really want to

hell there are wasm to whatever the wasm text format is converter

hell I think thats builtin to browsers

[teal crystal]

they are not gonna efficient than today's normal arm or x64 processors
they are just for high speed not for efficiency

[alpine crater]

like heres the wasm of this page

[whole bear]

Ur wrong

[spark girder]

This is so far from the truth. Not only do you require a "traditional computer" to run a quantum computer you also require specialized infrastructure to use a Quantum Computer and in more cases than not you are using a much larger amount of power per computation.

[alpine crater]

and you can convert wasm to text

[teal crystal]

it's simple logic
if you start plane engine and car engine and just don't do anything
plane(aircraft) gonna eat more resources than a car

[rugged root]

Define convert

[primal shadow]

Wikipedia says

[rugged root]

Binary format, but I think it's still byte code

[amber raptor]

while True:
  a += 1```

[alpine crater]

like you can very easially grep for js calls in wasm

[rugged root]

Not necessarily a true executable

[spark girder]

Correct it's just binary format bytecode.

[teal crystal]

have a break at the end : )

[alpine crater]

like here is where my wasm is importing removeAttribute ```wasm
(func $web_sys::features::gen_Element::Element::remove_attribute::__wbg_removeAttribute_e419cd6726b4c62f::h0cc6b402956c6933 (;1;) (import "wbg" "__wbg_removeAttribute_e419cd6726b4c62f") (param externref i32 i32))

[whole bear]

Yes it requires specialized infrastructure.
Why would you use it in traditional computer?
It kills the intended of Quantum Computer.

[alpine crater]

and why cant you do that for wasm?

[spark girder]

I'm not saying you're using it in a traditional computer I'm saying you still require a traditional computer to use a Quantum computer for ECC, reading output, and controlling the internal hardware of the QC

[alpine crater]

all IO goes via js

which is very clearly exported

func $wasm_bindgen::__wbindgen_cb_drop::he89066dbf2baebb7 (;0;) (import "wbg" "__wbindgen_cb_drop") (param externref) (result i32))
  (func $web_sys::features::gen_Element::Element::remove_attribute::__wbg_removeAttribute_e419cd6726b4c62f::h0cc6b402956c6933 (;1;) (import "wbg" "__wbg_removeAttribute_e419cd6726b4c62f") (param externref i32 i32))
  (func $web_sys::features::gen_Element::Element::set_attribute::__wbg_setAttribute_2704501201f15687::h267af61f13ca314b (;2;) (import "wbg" "__wbg_setAttribute_2704501201f15687") (param externref i32 i32 i32 i32))
  (func $web_sys::features::gen_Element::Element::replace_with_with_node_1::__wbg_replaceWith_9ce9927e3141d0f6::h8bdf5502ba14247e (;3;) (import "wbg" "__wbg_replaceWith_9ce9927e3141d0f6") (param externref externref))

this is wasm text format

[spark girder]

A QC is more or less a single chip in a large system, you still need to provide it with power, pass inputs, and read outputs through an external system.

[alpine crater]

this is what is in the binary, but readable

no no

[whole bear]

Tbh traditional computer is like oil engine and Quantum Computer is like Electric Engine.

[alpine crater]

this is from decompiling it

firefox contains a builtin wasm decompiler

[spark girder]

Completely incorrect, a Quantum Computer would just be a supercharger on top of your Gas Engine.

[rugged root]

Oh sick

[rugged root]

Learn something new everyday

[whole bear]

NVM

Ur right

[alpine crater]

(or maybe not decompiler is correct, but "raw binary assembly to plaintext assembly")

[whole bear]

Does chrome has it too?

[alpine crater]

idk, let me check

[teal crystal]

how told you? try to read some articles or do chatgpt rather than watching microsoft progress achievement video

[spark girder]

You could probably get an extension for it if it doesn't

[rugged root]

Quantum (from my understanding talking to @upper basin), it's more like a GPU vs CPU in a way. Quantum is good at doing fuck tons of things concurrently. Similar to how a GPU is amazing at doing vectors all in one go

[gentle flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBZtTW0pXLE

[alpine crater]

yep chrome has it aswell

(they even have syntax highligthing!)

[whole bear]

Ur right, leave me alone

I'm noob

[spark girder]

Correct, but you still need a normal computer to read that output.

That's what I was trying to say

[rugged root]

Currently, yep

[alpine crater]

most non-io rust crates just work on wasm

[spark girder]

I'm not saying he's entirely wrong. There will someday be a QC that requires no external hardware but currently it's a chip within a larger system lol

Just as some day they will absolutely be more energy efficient.

[whole bear]

I was learning Silq, so I'm biased towards the Quantum computer.

[alpine crater]

even just looking past all the cool benefits rust has in general as a lang.

I like rust more than js, I am faster at developing stuff in rust, why shouldnt I use rust

[spark girder]

That's fair, they're a powerful tool. Especially in cryptography and large range mathematical equations but like anything they've got downfalls.

[rugged root]

I'm less worried about the energy efficiency. To me it's more the things that it would be great for that it really can't do or can't do practically

[teal crystal]

me too
but from where you read that you gonna have quantum computer in your pocket or backpack?

[amber raptor]

Sometimes you have to use the language that is primary use case for that. LIke if you wanted to write Win32 GUI, C# or Java

[rugged root]

Database access would be friggin gold

[spark girder]

I'm excited for a day where we don't have to lie about FPGAs being QC chiplets... 2022 scare goes crazy

[alpine crater]

but why would I write a win32 gui, and not just a general gui app

[whole bear]

From official source and Silq Programming

[rugged root]

But the conversion between traditional to quantum and back again just makes it not really worth it

[amber raptor]

Because all your customers are there?

[whole bear]

Dude leave me alone please

[alpine crater]

hey for backend rust is amazing

[whole bear]

I'm not into arguing anymore

[rugged root]

Especially since there really isn't large persistent storage in quantum yet

[spark girder]

Being unemployed sucks on god, it's 3 PM and I'm still in bed 😭

[alpine crater]

if your argument is ecosystem support, I kinda dont like that argument.

[spark girder]

I've just been writing code all day.

[alpine crater]

because all ecosystems start out like this

[spark girder]

@amber raptor I write code for fun and to get paid 😦

[primal shadow]

100% the reason I write code is to get paid

[alpine crater]

I write code because its fun

[primal shadow]

the reason my company pays me to write code?

So they can get paid

No, they're not, we use it interally

it makes us money

[rugged root]

I write code to make me feel like I can do things despite getting discouraged and giving up on most of my projects

[whole bear]

If coding ain't paying, who would like to code?
Probably those who get time to spare!

[primal shadow]

You CAN tell your clients to fuck off

but you will have fewer cliens

I can tell my boss to fuck off too

I just wont' have a job

I do choose to not say it every day

because I love 💰

[teal crystal]

maybe possible
you are learning all this, maybe it gonna possible in future

[amber raptor]

https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks

[rugged root]

And if you do still have the job, then that's a weird and wild workplace

[primal shadow]

That is a great piece

[teal crystal]

dude, it's just simple healthy discussion
don't take it seriously

[spark girder]

Obviously I'm not telling them to fuck off, but I'll kindly explain "This is outside the scope of my workflow, if you'd still like this done here's person X, Y, and Z"

[amber raptor]

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/

[whole bear]

You can earn by hustle, start small it get's compound over time!

[spark girder]

That's my kind of workplace 🙂

(Jokes)

[whole bear]

My english ain't Englishing

[rugged root]

This one

[primal shadow]

Or I can not tell my boss to fuck off, and keep collecting that salary

[spark girder]

He's asking you to leave him alone, just respect that and leave him alone.

[spark girder]

And benefits. Dont forget the benefits.

I don't get benefits, you (hopefully) do.

[whole bear]

Dude start your own company if you can!

[spark girder]

Never as easy as it sounds

[whole bear]

I hope it's not against your contract!

[whole bear]

How would you make yourself wealthy?
By earning on paycheck after paycheck?

[amber raptor]

watching it happen to family member, DO NOT ECMO (DNE)

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-gif-9132488091816709351

[teal crystal]

like what you create mostly, like for which use case?
trading, web, iot, automation?

[amber raptor]

Probably best way to get wealthy as "freelancer" is start a consulting company and get others to work for you and bill them out at stupid rates

[spark girder]

This ^

[spark girder]

AI, Web Apps, Pentesting software, consulting, I'll contract out for graphics.

[dense ibex]

Consulting do be making money

[alpine crater]

well time for me to go

[dense ibex]

[spark girder]

The government is more willing to spend less on you than more on their employees

Or they just don't have anyone that knows what they're doing.

[whole bear]

How about software house?

[teal crystal]

you are like ALL IN ONE
wow, you know many things

[spark girder]

Have a good day

[whole bear]

It's better than being an employee

[spark girder]

Nope, I just have lots of template projects lol

AI is the only thing I can do without my templates.

But that's cause I do it for fun

That's the one part of coding I ever actually do for fun

Actually if you scroll back about 4 days you'll see my goal for expanding my AI workflow

If I'm ever lucky enough

[spark girder]

My Mom had one of these for a while, I think?

Something like it

[teal crystal]

me also, but at some stage, i get exhausted for sometime/days

[spark girder]

Back when she was an EMS licensing agent.

[spark girder]

I've definitely experienced burnouts before

[amber raptor]

Modern equivilent of this today is this:

[spark girder]

lol

[whole bear]

It should be named ink book instead of palm pilot

[short owl]

https://www.fabcollectibles.com/toys/handhelds/little-professor-calculator.html

[spark girder]

I got insanely side tracked. Back to the test suite design!

[teal crystal]

can i join, to work under/with you
it gonna be fun and new different learning experience for me to learn other things which i don't know or haven't used for real usage

[whole bear]

I don't think so!

[whole bear]

Did you made any project on your own?

[amber raptor]

https://www.thelightphone.com/

[short owl]

kinda , Tri-corder ish @amber raptor

[whole bear]

It's like a watch

[teal crystal]

i think you can do mostly things in github codespaces, according it's use case
like what you can't do in it except few things

[spark girder]

I just dont like github codespaces.

It's a matter of personal opinion

I want all of my code with me, not on a server I'll never see.

I rarely upload to github due to this same ideology.

[odd mulch]

@amber raptor he said i am the boss what you mean haha

[whole bear]

I'm genz but I do like this light phone thingy

[odd mulch]

i miss the black berry or the side kick

[rugged root]

Forgot about the side kick!

[odd mulch]

yeah it was so good

[primal shadow]

You seem to know a lot about this child

for havign watched a hockey game

[odd mulch]

this is what i had

[short owl]

keyboard slides in/out thingy

[rugged root]

You're saying you wouldn't be distracted by a noisy, twitchy, whiny kid right in front of you?

[primal shadow]

I had the OG DROID, that was boss

[primal shadow]

At a hockey game? Noisy?

Is this a silent game?

I generally ignore the chidlren at the venues I attend

[rugged root]

I guess as a parent you train yourself to

[whole bear]

When did rabbit got married?

[primal shadow]

lol

[rugged root]

He got married when he got married

[whole bear]

Ig he was committed to be single

[primal shadow]

Watch other people's children, don't use your phone, don't watch the show

Be in the moment!

[rugged root]

?

[rugged root]

You're telling me that you've never gone to an event and someone was being obnoxious?

[gentle flint]

he seems well on his way to a burnout

[primal shadow]

Someone wearing clothes and taking selfies is far from obnoxious

[odd mulch]

@primal shadow can you give me a tool for python that auto completes on vscode what extention should i have also i looked into sql is it true its only like 30 commands thats i need to learn

[primal shadow]

"Python" I Think is what it's generally called

[short owl]

remember the wheat and the chaff , you cant be every where at all times @rugged root

[odd mulch]

so the extension is built in

[rugged root]

Fair

[short owl]

prevent information overload

[odd mulch]

okay il look for it now

[primal shadow]

The explanation of the child sounded like your typical teenage girl, not an obnoxious child in a venue

[whole bear]

Dude don't have kid, just enjoy your life

[rugged root]

Let it go

Some people are annoyed by others, some are more tolerant

[whole bear]

Imagine if things went wrong with you and your wife, it would cost you so much pain and money

[rugged root]

I mean, that can be the case with anything

Job fucks you over, apartment or mortgage fucks you over...

[primal shadow]

There's a lot of people, I generally ignore them

[gentle dagger]

@somber heath

window = tk.Tk()

def button_click():
    print("Button was clicked!")

def button_click2():
    window.destroy()

def ClickMeButton():
    window.title("Clickable Button Example")

    button = tk.Button(window,text="Click Me", command=button_click)
    button.pack()

def ExitButton():
    button2 = tk.Button(window,text="Stop", command=button_click2)
    button2.pack(side=tk.BOTTOM)

ClickMeButton()
ExitButton()


window.geometry("300x400")
window.mainloop()```

I made another mini program 🙂

[whole bear]

Yes but those are not as impactful as separation and cost of divorce with child support

[primal shadow]

IDK, I see audiences with big signs, the classic "D" And a fence

[gentle dagger]

The biggest risk in life is not taking risk

You're trying to walk carefully to death

I would much rather say it didn't work out then I didn't try, imagine your 80 and your on your death bed and thinking I could of done more

[short owl]

pizza partys and vid games - all inclusive environment @amber raptor

[gentle dagger]

Old people almost never regret what they did do, and it's almost always what they didn't do that they regret

[amber raptor]

even with video games, the kids were just swarming

[short owl]

yup hide the cat and the electric razor @amber raptor

[primal shadow]

Those are the old people who were careful

Those who would regret their actions, regretted them when said actions led to their demise

didn't get old

There's old mushroom foragers

and there's bold mushroom foragers

but there are not old, bold mushroom foragers

Because YOLO

and that shit can kill you

[gentle dagger]

100% would rather fuck up then not try

[rugged root]

Ehhhhhhh

Depends

[rugged root]

Kill or change your personality or how your old thinky box works

[short owl]

ahhh memories @amber raptor

[gentle dagger]

LMAO

[whole bear]

Consider having a legal agreement with your partner before marriage to clarify how things should be handled in case of separation or divorce. This can include things like asset division, spousal support, and other important matters. It's a smart way to protect both parties and avoid misunderstandings later on.

Be smart instead of playing with your life on risk

[gentle dagger]

Oh okay I was misunderstanding what y'all were talking about then

I thought you were being aint marrige and kids

[whole bear]

Not really

It was about after math of having child

[gentle dagger]

Prenups totally valid

[rugged root]

So is this hating on women or marriage in general

[gentle dagger]

?

[rugged root]

Just making sure I'm understanding which angle this is coming from

[gentle dagger]

I'm not

[rugged root]

Neeeeever mind

Misread

Carry on

[gentle dagger]

I'm confused lol

[rugged root]

Very tired

[gentle dagger]

oh okay

no worries

[whole bear]

Slysst is confused as well!

LOL

[rugged root]

Prenuptial agreement I think is what they're called?

[whole bear]

I think so!

[gentle dagger]

me and the girl I am talking to are doing a prenup and it's just anything we had before stays to whatever party had what befoer

[rugged root]

I didn't with my wife, but that's primarily that I lucked out and got to marry my best friend and it wasn't even a question to us that we were going to get married. It just was right

[gentle dagger]

Yeah I came halfway in the middle of convo and thought y'all were talking about something else lol

[rugged root]

I lucked out

[gentle dagger]

Ws

[whole bear]

When did you got married?

[rugged root]

2018

[whole bear]

Dude

You all married

[rugged root]

Some of us, I wouldn't say all

[short owl]

divorce lawyer - in training ?

[whole bear]

Maybe yes!

[short owl]

AI can outperform lawyers - heads up

[gentle dagger]

not in a real courtroom

[rugged root]

It can also give you made up court cases and legal precedent

[sinful sparrow]

136.206.140.250

[short owl]

yup yup yup - AI loves Tera bytes of info

[gentle dagger]

the judges are like 80 years old and have no time for an AI

Also the legal system in general is ALWAYS behind on tech

[amber raptor]

255.255.255.128/25

[peak siren]

How would this possibly be measured?

[amber raptor]

255.255.0.0/16

[whole bear]

But why a Human would trust a machine to represent him?
It's like having AI as your President!

[primal shadow]

breadcrumbs?

[gentle dagger]

Because the judges wouldn't go for that at all

[gentle flint]

yes

[short owl]

sample cases pour it into pooter , hire a code pro to do it fast @peak siren

[peak siren]

To do what?

[primal shadow]

be a lawyer

[gentle dagger]

There has to be a human representing the information, that being said the AIs absoultley could do research and replace lawyers in that capacity but the actual court room it just wouldn't happen

[whole bear]

Even if machine can perform surgery, very few human would trust machine over human

[short owl]

Gonna make a pot o' coffee , cuz its bad for me

[primal shadow]

The AI can get a lawyer disbarred

That's what it can do

[rugged root]

Watch as the lawyer on the opposing side makes your AI lawyer change its mind and tries to find you guilty

[peak siren]

That's mostly paralegal stuff anyway; research and citations, etc

[primal shadow]

Gotta pass the bar to be a lawyer

gotta be a human to take the bar

(In america at least)

[gentle dagger]

True

[primal shadow]

can't speak for the world

[peak siren]

The great (sarcasm) thing about law is nobody knows the law, it's really just whatever a judge decides the law means.

[gentle dagger]

My sister is divorce attorney and that's 100% accurate

[whole bear]

Lawyer may use AI but AI can't replace lawyer

[gentle dagger]

they have playcate to the Judge all the time

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/Kg0I.gif

[gentle flint]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplexity_AI

[whole bear]

AI can sure replace paperwork employee in government

[short owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzAFqrxfeY

the past @whole bear @rugged root

[gentle flint]

god no

[rich cargo]

Hey guys

[gentle flint]

it'll probably get a few numbers wrong causing major tax problems

then when there's a massive scandal about it

it will say "I'm sorry"

[rugged root]

Phone are still doing weird stuff

Of. Course.

Didn't mean to clear out the VC

Sorry

[short owl]

electronic fart - clears the room ?

[celest oyster]

hello

[peak siren]

The funny thing is watching two lawyers just fling completely farcical arguments at each other, but have to act like they all make total sense. The Chewbacca defense is based in reality.

[celest oyster]

yes

just block him

do you know about open-webui?

python

I don't know

I'm actively using it and I don't know how to properly bug report if something is broken

@spark girder check dm

[celest oyster]

what video

[spark girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjKH4X1cTEg

[vocal basin]

I suggest looking up "pursue" in the dictionary if you don't understand that statement

also, because the first section of it is directly relevant, time to recommend this talk again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QMGAtxUlAc

[celest oyster]

I think it would be better if I write in there

are you writing a parser for me?