the tyranny of microsoft and windows will plauge me no more
#voice-chat-text-0
astral coral
I shall be free from the binds of bitlocker and other crap I don't want or need
so long paint w11
farewell snip tool
hello the nightmare that is linux 😄
rugged root
Some of those things might be open source now
astral coral
yeah ubuntu has its own alts :L and I think I need a new sprite editior anyway :L
fucking sick of windows ¬¬
astral coral
is that any good?
rugged root
I love it
astral coral
didn't know you did sprite work :L
rugged root
You can compile it yourself for free or you can buy it
rugged root
astral coral
I'll give it a go on the other side
thanks, save that for me for later
when on the other side
cheers
90% :3
excited
rugged root
You on wifi or ethernet right now?
astral coral
wifi
rugged root
Get connected to ethernet if you can
astral coral
do I have too?
rugged root
It's so hit and miss as to whether the various distros will have your wifi driver off the bat
rugged root
You'd do it just until you get everything installed
astral coral
hmmmm worst case I'll redecorate my room for an hour
so long windows
farediwell painty w11
good bye sniup tool
fuck you bit locker
rugged root
Eh
BitLocker isn't that bad
Just print out and keep your key
Make sure you back everything up before you make the jump
Since it'll wipe everything
astral coral
I had the code on my phone
It's suuuuuuucks
Yeah I backed up my projects etc etc
Just clutter on these drives
Gonna start fresh
Plus something happened to windows and now my graphics driver isn't working properly anyway
I can't reinstall win 11
Stupid "compatibility"
And hellz nahhhh am I using win10 lol
Ooooooof
Might help if I wipe my drives first -.-
IZ tryna be smartz and putz win10 on a seperate usb incase everything ....
vocal basin
making this
it's mostly to have some state replicated between the client and the server in such a way that it can be
- trivially compared (by having hashes as part of the structure)
- efficiently synchronised (partial updates)
also inherently provides deduplication, since each object is referred to by its hash
(+ guarantees no reference cycles)
the main usecase for it currently is proprietary, idk if I can share it
for now it's going to just be an implementation detail that only the code I write interacts with
but that larger code I write is very central to what the company does
(everything else interacts with it)
it's been a purely personal project since summer 2021, but I found a usecase for it recently,
so rewrote the thing in 4 days to be more specialised
I'll have to go very soon, so I won't be able to watch over the stream
(that very soon being now; won't be back until ~10 hours from now)
spark girder
Have a good day!
spark girder
(that very soon being now; won't be back until ~10 hours from now)
Is there a way to get permanent stream permissions or does it have to be temporary every time?
vocal basin
if a voice regular moderator thinks you can be trusted with streaming, you will be given a a longer-period streaming role;
if that goes okay, it will be extended/made permanent
rugged root
@sweet sorrel I'm blanking, what was the program we were using to figure out what kind of data was on that drive? Win something...
odd mulch
so its a mini game to help people learn from mistakes
spark girder
The CIA triad
odd mulch
i love that idea thats so cool
wrong inputs take you back what if you made it so it removes a command from your arsenal for every mistake
so you get taken back either way thats so cool
discord uses commands so you are stuck in the borders of what discord will allow
spark girder
If I absolutely cannot do it within discord it goes on a website but so far that's only 3 things and they're solely due to the fact that discord doesn't have a built in cookie system
And I can't have my sanitization algorithm and custom cookies yk cause it'll sanitize the cookies out of the input 😠
odd mulch
lol thats why you cant over do it but tbh i can see how what you are doing will work within discord as long as the rules dont get broken but thats literally the point of it the irony of the game is the mistakes the player makes takes them back so thats cool
@calm smelt are you in constant recruit mode
bro keeps doing it
spark girder
I can't represent the Matrix in text but if y'all wanna see a simplified explanation of it
wise cargoBOT
I can't represent the Matrix in text but if y'all wanna see a simplified explana...
Click here to see this code in our pastebin.
odd mulch
you are coming off like you dont care about the projects others are talking about
spark girder
I'll be honest I was mostly ignoring him...
It's easier to just "mhm" "yeah" "Im not quite sure I understand" "right"
@somber heath you're missing out on such an amazing conversation
odd mulch
im literally just saying what i hear in the convo like he is telling you about his amazing project and you are instantly comparing what he says to your projects then trying to recruit'
spark girder
Unless you've had a bad day then I think you'd be pretty grumpy.
Who called you crazy or schizophrenic?! None of us have said anything rude about you 🤣
If you're tired leave!
My honest reaction
odd mulch
talking about ideas is cool but then you say if you cant understand it i get it but what about this idea would you wanna join me on it
primal shadow
!rule 9
wise cargoBOT
odd mulch
he did it to two others and this is number 3 to me that should be strike 3
ive been here for like 3 hours and in that 3 hours he tried to recruit 3 people
the first guy clearly wasnt interested but he kept going on about it the second one he insulted in a condescending way and now hes not understanding what hes doing with 3 witnesses
if i had a voice right now id tell lee off @primal shadow hes lucky i cant talk
spark girder
ChatGPT not listening to me
Or sorry, taking it too literally.
The fact that I had this conversation with my 7 year old brother is insane.
odd mulch
just to let you guys know i have no knowledge of coding but i do have common sense im here to learn not listen to lee recruit every two seconds
spark girder
(I'm moving over to Opal's VC, you're welcome to join me)
odd mulch
ChatGPT not listening to me <:4377pepesob:1320569796974084108>
lol that looks like a nice convo is it about going to the beach haha
spark girder
It's the program it made, I was trying to place each section of the matrix in a 12 dimensional plain to display the complexity of it
odd mulch
well mainly python and java i was sent a basics site earlier for projects so im so stoked to get started on one
google claimes its best to learn python and java for a better chance to get hired in any programming position
primal shadow
SQL is great too
odd mulch
i got my airfram and powerplant cert so i can work on planes but programming seems like a cooler job to have
primal shadow
I quite like sqlbolt and sqlzoo
then you can just implement sqlite in projects where it's sufficient
odd mulch
sql ? i gotta look into that
lol comfort you
you wanna comfort us? stop trying to undermine us lets start there
primal shadow
This?
whole bear
repost
odd mulch
what version of python should i use does that matter? i think latest right?
whole bear
3.9
odd mulch
but 3.13 is out whats the diffrence?
primal shadow
3.13 is better
whole bear
I don't like installing packages for 3.13
primal shadow
no point in running an earlier version unless you need to
odd mulch
okay il use that thank you so much
i once programed a calculator lol it was hello kitty themed hahah
primal shadow
That's pretty neat
odd mulch
be honest do they use ai in the work space now or is it all still manual
primal shadow
odd mulch
is that a game you are working on?
yeah i did but i cant verify it says 3 days
dejavu opal you are such a nice guy
i just got a vision
you tried helping me to get verified
its okay im glad you said somthing
makes me feel like im apart of the convo even though i cant speak
this is honestly the best server i joined besides "some people" trying to recruit
i think its fine in the terms of being friendly but dont be weird about it
just use a filter on any browser though thats a thing already
intertesting that this isnt new and i wanted to rip my hair off 30 min in
well therapy and friends are what makes life better
primal shadow
Those are two great things to have
odd mulch
you can be your own therapy opal you just need to see how amazing you really are
vocal basin
(joining just for a short time because of this in case anyone has any context to add)
odd mulch
in my opinion not that my opinion matters since im new he should be booted
i dont like how he didnt understand the vibe of the convo and came off as very condesending then made it seem like he did nothing wrong and back pedled
i understand religion but making projects around it without context if the person hes asking to join the project is religious is just wrong to me
luckily he ignored me the entire time
odd mulch
i wonder if he means it dun dun dun "dramatic music intensifies"
oh he mentioned it then said non -orn browsing due to work related and religious means
he mentioned it so many times lol
vocal basin
object relational napping
odd mulch
@primal shadow mentioned sql should a noob like me look into this
vocal basin
Lisp
and regex, yes
@somber heath when it's correctly implemented, it's not turing complete
Perl regex is way out of normal
odd mulch
@vocal basin what was the project you where workin on earlier i think it was called squarerainbow forgive me if im wrong
vocal basin
odd mulch
object rainbow
vocal basin
rainbow because rainbow tables
(reverse mapping of hashes)
as one of the ways to build a content-addressed data store
odd mulch
forgive me but is this used like a table of contents or is it just for ease of use
oh unique identifiers
are you using DeepSeek-R1 @wind raptor
golden sonnet
hi👋
odd mulch
i get tinitus off and on
google will tell you its cancer dont self diagnose and scare yourself lol
wind raptor
odd mulch
i got sciatica when i was 20 and im still feeling the effects even after i got it fixed
some people work out til they grow muscle around the area and the pain goes away the body is weird
i had some female therapists that had to stretch me out and i sounded like a dieing whale it was embarrassing lol
wind raptor
Yeah, if someone stretched my arm out, I probably wouldn't be saying the nicest of words haha
odd mulch
lol if that happened you would lose it honestly id pay to see that haha
vocal basin
sleep is for writing to brain memory not as much for reading from it
other effects are just tiredness
vocal basin
no
it's not an insect
are those other things called ticks
whatever other arachnid
anyway I have dealt with the moderation thing, now I shall go back to sleep
odd mulch
do you guys play Oddsparks while you work on coding cause its automated thats cool
thats cool though the gamer can still have fun
do you guys collect pokemon
lol im new too dont worry
@steel oriole
oh no opals beautiful voice was silenced what a travesty
no you stop it
stop it 
so i got sleeping mew,sleeping pikachu and charmander looking through a window they are so cute
somber heath
bbl
odd mulch
drizzy
wind raptor
!pypi kivy
wise cargoBOT
wind raptor
@woeful blaze
wind raptor
Then maybe not an idea for the server
woeful blaze
Sorry
wind raptor
I use Gemini mainly
winged apex
what do you guys think about the slots dunder method?
is it really that much faster?
wise cargoBOT
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | import discord
004 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'discord'
Good to know
tulip root
!e ```py
import subprocess
subprocess.run(["ping", "google.com"])
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | subprocess.run(["ping", "google.com"])
004 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 548, in run
005 | with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as process:
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1026, in __init__
008 | self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
009 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1955, in _execute_child
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/2GM4D2WMTTSYIUC7EVJVLTJ4HY
spark girder
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.run(['pip'], ['install'], ['discord.py'])
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | subprocess.run(['pip'], ['install'], ['discord.py'])
004 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 548, in run
005 | with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as process:
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 835, in __init__
008 | raise TypeError("bufsize must be an integer")
009 | TypeError: bufsize must be an integer
!e ```py
import requests
r = requests.get('https://github.com/timeline.json')
print(r.json())
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | import requests
004 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests'
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.run(['pip', 'install', 'discord.py'])
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | subprocess.run(['pip', 'install', 'discord.py'])
004 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 548, in run
005 | with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as process:
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1026, in __init__
008 | self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
009 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1955, in _execute_child
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/J4474S5Q6ROD2TX5XLDPRJQQXI
wind raptor
Please run these in #bot-commands
winged apex
primal shadow
tulip root
spark girder
- House Floor:
- There are restrictions on the use of personal electronic devices, including cell phones, on the House floor. This is primarily to maintain decorum and prevent disruptions during proceedings.
- The rules aim to minimize distractions caused by sounds and other disturbances from electronic equipment.
- Office Buildings and Public Areas:
- In general, phone use is permitted in congressional office buildings and public areas.
- Members of Congress and their staff regularly use phones for communication.
somber heath
Want more lobsters? Be an ally of the lobsters.
Look after their habitats.
Foster healthy, robust and diverse ecosystems.
woeful blaze
How do I use Sir Lancebot#9543
Commands
tulip root
but i mean this is a courtroom
wind raptor
. I think
somber heath
.help
somber heath
If you are interested in coverage.py, you might like to hang out in #python-discussion
typing.overload?
spark girder
@overload
def foo(x, y):
...
So how is everyone doing today?
spark girder
@somber heath we're off the politics topic if you'd like to join back.
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> we're off the politics topic if you'd like to join back.
The politics was not the issue
spark girder
I made a basic assumption off the topic at hand when you left 😅
somber heath
I don't enjoy it when I can't get a word in edgewise without talking over someone.
somber heath
Then the subject drifts away from something I have to say.
I could type it, but I didn't feel like it.
somber heath
I apologize if you felt as if your statements were being spoken over.
They weren't.
spark girder
Fair enough
No, that was poorly worded.
I meant more like Im sorry that we weren't leaving room for others to speak, it was definitely a very closed conversation. No real room for anyone else to join, which is unfair in a public VC.
chilly wolf
<!DOCTYPE html>
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<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" />
<title>Learning Hub</title>
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wise cargoBOT
✅ @whole bear can now stream until <t:1741145502:f>.
whole bear
[Event "Online Chess Match"]
[Site "based.mobi"]
[Date "2025.03.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "{'name': 'Guest7736', 'emoji': '👤'}"]
[Black "{'name': 'Guest2029', 'emoji': '👤'}"]
[Result "0-1"]
- f4 e5 2. g4 Qh4# 0-1
wind raptor
!stream 473622504586477589
wise cargoBOT
✅ @spark girder can now stream until <t:1741147199:f>.
odd mulch
hello guys
somber heath
@dusty helm 👋
dusty helm
<@738494844975972382> 👋
Hey
dusty helm
<@738494844975972382> 👋
U able to help me rq?
somber heath
U able to help me rq?
What is the problem you're having?
Please explain in brief to begin with.
@rustic mantle👋
odd mulch
my only problem is i wish i can fast forward 3 days so my mic can work lol
wise cargoBOT
frigid sable
can anyone help me learn to code in python better
odd mulch
i watched some and it feels like a cult kinda scary
odd mulch
what isnt positive is that the tarifs are going to increase thats what hes threatening canada with
he said past 25 percent now lol like chill out
excuse me what
they never keep promises dude
example he changed the gulf of mexico to gulf of america in order to drill oil since it was illegal to do so when it was named gulf of mexico
he gets past things doing these things like a dirty lawyer
i think this discussion should end this wont end well guys who cares about politics bad topic
do you guys collect pokemon lol
wind raptor
No, but my child does
odd mulch
lol i guess im a child too thanks chris haha
wind raptor
That's not what I was implying.
odd mulch
thats actually so smart i miss hanging out with friends when you get older its so much harder to do that
haughty pier
@frosty shell thx so much!
@frosty shell I realized I'm already setup with the following from my config:
kubectl # kubernetes
#docker # why?
#podman # replaces docker (why ?) do I need this in addition to enable above?
openshift
#minishift # discontinued upstream, use crc instead
crc # manage local OpenShift 4.x cluster or Podman VM optimized for testing and development
probably got started but forgot what I did. I tried running crc setup but it wants to use root, asked me for my password, so I bailed with Ctrl-c. I'll probably try podman-desktop next...
haughty pier
Yeah, crc requires NetworkManager but I use wpa_supplicant directly for more precise control over my networking, so looks like I need to just skip that.
getting podman-desktop now...
astral coral
:3
astral coral
messing with Rainmeter :L
quartz beacon
I also DM for my kids
The only way to not have scheduling conflict is to give birth to your players
jade mountain
!e
```py
import subprocess
subprocess.run(['pip'], ['install'], ['discord.py'])
...
import subprocess
subprocess.run(['pip', 'install', 'discord.py'])
!e
all network things have been removed
willow light
https://github.com/ahmetb/kubectx
I usually use fidelity/connect for that, but that’s because my old job was at Fidelity and we had to dogfood even when it wasn’t the best solution
willow light
ugh windows
somber heath
Hi hi.
vocal basin
ugh windows
"and, even worse, desktop icons"
somber heath
More arguing about laptops?
Pardon?
Give me a brief version.
@umbral kestrel👋
@thin light👋
You're breaking up.
Can't hear shit.
You're back.
You're away again.
I heard as far as the other technician was on the same floor.
@upper basin
No, you're still gone.
Still gone.
I can hear that you're talking, but it sounds like you're operating like - - - - -
instead of -------
upper basin
Gotcha.
I went to benchmark for tests, and I noticed that they still hadn't fixed the battery charging issue (power connector that I mentioned earlier). I told them and this a-hole just stood up and started cussing and shouting, and violently snatched my laptop from my hands. I had to hold down and for a moment I was about to get into a fight with him.
I said call your boss because I am not going to deal with you and that I don't trust you (he threatened to break my laptop 5 times). I knew the boss was a bigger jerk so I went and got management to come with me. Just as we got there I saw they were physically in a fight with my parents (I again had to stop myself to not beat the living hell out of the guy). The management came and this guy became a mouse. We went to management office who took our side and told him either you fix ALL the issues and give them a discount for your poor behavior, or you give them THEIR laptop (he was clinging to my laptop like a praying mantis) and waive your fees. He kept lying saying it's fixed and battery is charging (his definition of charge is that the laptop turns on and electricity symbol shows. He does not understand nor accept that charging means the percentage has to go up.) And management had to scream at him and tell him charging means charging. If you told me that it was fixed, then you have to fix it. He kept saying it's a battery problem not a board or wire problem (by wire meaning the power connector) and management said you will buy them a new battery and put it in. If it's that they'll pay you what is reasonable and it'll be it. Otherwise, you will not get paid. We went to the shop he (the boss jerk) wanted and indeed the issue wasn't the battery. It was the power connector. Now he starts to gaslight me. We go back, I call management and we meet again at his shop.
somber heath
Like you're in a bad cellular spot.
upper basin
I say "As I said before, the issue is the Power Connector and he despite me EXPLICITLY asking him to change it, and PAYING him to do it, still has not done it. Not only that, he has been giving my laptop to another shop on this floor, whom until now he kept hiding.". The management said you gotta fix it. He says "I don't know how. You have to buy me the cable and I'll try to change." (NOW he admits he knows nothing). He asked to keep the laptop for 3 more days. I just said "No. I don't trust them. They threatened to break my laptop, got physically violent with me and my parents, and have been utterly irresponsible and unprofessional. I will not leave anything with them anymore.". I then said "I will pay for what I know is right and not a penny more.". I forced him to finally list all the actual hardware changes and surprise surprise he only had changed a 10 usd buck converter for RAM. FYI he was asking for 100+ usd. Why? This a-hole added multiple labor fees for himself. Multiple. I paid him 30 bucks including labor and walked out.
Had I not gotten management to come, they would have either stolen my laptop or broken it.
This was my past 8 hours. I almost had a heart attack (my left side was numb and I smelled sth burning) twice, and still have not been able to get my poor laptop fixed.
Tomorrow I'll have to go to HP repair center (if there is any) and get them to do the rest of the fix properly with warranty. Otherwise, I will have to save up for a few months to get a replacement which is really bad given I work with this laptop like I said before. I would be royally screwed if I'm not already.
somber heath
You're back to normal.
Well. Won't be going back to that place, again.
I mean, after this.
You should have let him.
What do you mean? You give it to him to fix and he goes to smash it?
Of course they would have to replace it.
Jatty, shush.
jade mountain
anyone have any thoughts?
somber heath
Looks alright.
inner hill
My Victus start Flickering when use VS
somber heath
Connector problems is why I chose Qi.
pulsar shale
@upper basin it's Samsung phone?
vocal basin
<@664667836605661217> it's Samsung phone?
upper basin
astral coral
I want to print a inside out PC case (ATX) with PETG ... anyone got any experience with this kinda thing?
like an open PC case thing, I mean
rugged root
anyone professional here
Define professional
scenic shuttle
@somber heath
rugged root
Like someone in the industry?
scenic shuttle
yes... or ex or pro in python
rugged root
What's the question?
scenic shuttle
i need someone to teach, python in my local community server. every weekend , for 1 hour
rugged root
Why not bring them here?
We don't really allow recruiting or offering jobs
Which is that, 9?
!rule 9
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
You need to teach someone, or you need someone to teach you?
rugged root
Yeah that one
rugged root
Either way. Why not bring them here?
somber heath
This is why you get a quote.
scenic shuttle
quote..?
somber heath
Ace's computer repair issues.
rugged root
Like a price quote
scenic shuttle
yeah.
somber heath
Like, you go to a store, you ask them to give you a quote, which is a money value the repair place tells you they'll fix it for. They put it in writing and if both parties agree, that's what you get the service completed for and they have to honor it.
If their costs go over, they have to cover it.
scenic shuttle
hmm....
rugged root
Like, you go to a store, you ask them to give you a quote, which is a money valu...
They can still say "Whoop, labor cost more"
somber heath
If the costs go under, you're still paying the amount you agreed on.
Yeah, I mean, you still have to have the culture that honors that sort of practice.
Which...
upper basin
Yeah, I mean, you still have to have the culture that honors that sort of practi...
Yeah. I told him if charges are that much, fine. But I need to see receipts. I'm not gonna pay 10x just because you say so.
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
peak depot
whole bear
you are the only one who got it right in discord
somber heath
🔴 -> 🔵
somber heath
somber heath
It's how I would have said it.
whole bear
you did @rugged root
teal crystal
@cosmic bison what are you creating bro??
cosmic bison
working on my programming language. Its compiled using llvmlite
cosmic bison
yeah llvmlite is a binding for llvm in python. It has its own IR builder tho
but there is a binding layer so you can do stuff with that generated IR
rugged root
somber heath
Not liable if any further damage is caused...except you're also talking about intentional damage being threatened in this case.
rugged root
Ooo, neat: https://isaq.samsungsupport.com/
somber heath
You're also offering a service. If you fuck up something, that's not the customer's fault. That's something you absorb as the cost of doing business.
By offering the service, you're assuming that risk.
If it's not your fault that something blows up, then yeah, that's extra cost maybe.
true zodiac
@cosmic bison try from __future__ import annotations at the top of the module.
Should resolve those type annotation problems when using TYPE_CHECKING guard.
rugged root
I love that import
cosmic bison
nahhhhh, I think I will just do it the fun way
true zodiac
Word
from __future__ import annotations
class Thing:
THINGS: list[Thing]
Also starts magically working
one of us, one of us
😛
willow light
how did you get your system monitor in the top bar? I've been trying for days...
it's a builtin? no screwing with config files and shooting myself in the foot? that's no fun...
cosmic bison
lol
willow light
I see, well guess I won't need to install waybar after all.
That's a very idealized view lol
You're thinking about Louis Rossmann, he's not the norm
ornate plover
guys, what os is this?
willow light
Something running KDE Plasma
I'm running Bazzite with KDE Plasma so it looks very similar to my setup
ornate plover
I think so
willow light
For the time being
vocal basin
@willow light 1 week to make Scheme, 1 week to reskin it as Java
alpine crater
willow light
I kinda want to turn this into a campervan. Somehow.
vocal basin
"I don't even know what I'm getting paid for"
ornate plover
https://tenor.com/view/cat-paws-meow-purr-purr-fect-gif-807520819373295910
Larry ?
willow light
Maestro is also a lap kitty, but only when you are trying to do something
alpine crater
yes and no
python is really nice
but also some DSA stuff kinda falls apart in python
like you cant really implement say list in pure python (without ctypes)
vocal basin
if you're planing on using a language, you should probably learn how to do data structures in that language
if you want to learn memory management for data structures, then only C
Zig gives you defer, and that's cheating
Fortran
willow light
how does one even memory manage in Fortran
lots and lots of footguns
vocal basin
I used Pascal over 1.5 decades ago
and I never learned how to allocate memory there
in part because, obviously, it was raw Pascal not an OO extension thereof
willow light
Then again most fortran code assumes you're running on the NOAA super computer clusters
peak depot
@willow light
vocal basin
for is running on exceptions
exceptions in Python are fine, exceptions in C++ are fine, exceptions in Java are fine, exceptions in C# are fine
true zodiac
Rust: panic!
alpine crater
Rust: *panic!*
I will force rust on you wether you like it or not
true zodiac
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Speaking of, colleagues pointed me to https://robyn.tech
Python web framework that wraps around actix.
They need some work, I think.
But the ability to inject a Rust module into the build is interesting.
alpine crater
did I mention my browser is transparent?
arch
:root {
--zen-primary-color: #000000 !important;
--zen-main-browser-background: #000000BB !important;
}
and then some custom css for specific sites
I am
whole bear
Hi
vocal basin
not going to complain about rounded borders when everything is rounded already 👍
the anti-browser-borders crusade is taking a break
willow light
hey you could always just use firefox
true zodiac
If you import the module only instead of the objects in that module, it avoids the circular imports.
from Ast import module
...
module.Module
vocal basin
eventually consistent compilation
stuck furnace
End function call parentheses tyranny!
true zodiac
Ruby style
valid_call(thing)
also_valid_call thing
( ignored entirely and ) only to terminate argument list early
print "Hello, " end = " " ) print ( "World!"
@rugged root
APL -> a programming language
BCL -> b crogramming language
rugged root
Pell wade
cosmic bison
@willow light https://github.com/ArachnidAbby/BCL
stuck furnace
Is that a snake with a top hat and wings?
whole bear
@rugged root , I had this wild dream where you were shouting, "Python!" at the top of your lungs. Then suddenly, a my named "Igar" appeared, and you yelled, "Come, Python server Igar!"
alpine crater
rust-js interop is fun
vocal basin
@willow light compile-time
rugged root
rust-js interop is fun
whole bear
https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-peter-griffin-laugh-laughing-gif-2148522...
Then you laughed like this fat man!
Why hemlock, why did you come to my dream?
vocal basin
"Rust's type system uses datalog, I propose we replace it with SQL"
whole bear
rugged root
"Rust's type system uses datalog, I propose we replace it with SQL"
I've had worse ideas
vocal basin
MSSQL then
rugged root
Why hemlock, why did you come to my dream?
I did a who in the what now?
true zodiac
Yes
vocal basin
IE 3.2
whole bear
https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-peter-griffin-laugh-laughing-gif-2148522...
Then you laughed your way through my dream
willow light
btw has uv reached the point where it replaces pyenv yet? I don't want to fuck up this OS install yet, it's still new
rugged root
<@98195144192331776> , I had this wild dream where you were shouting, "Python!" ...
Huh. Well that's a thing
Glad I made such an impression?
true zodiac
btw has uv reached the point where it replaces pyenv yet? I don't want to fuck u...
Yes, but I kind of prefer pyenv still. I might be stuck in my ways there.
vocal basin
btw has uv reached the point where it replaces pyenv yet? I don't want to fuck u...
docker docker docker docker
(repeat as if you're chanting "developers" until you summon a containerised Ballmer)
whole bear
Glad I made such an impression?
That's the reason, I rejoined the python server
somber heath
I had a Python dream. It involved a whiteboard at my old school. I think it was correct Python.
rugged root
That's the reason, I rejoined the python server
Oh then I'm glad I was there then
willow light
docker docker docker docker
(repeat as if you're chanting "developers" until you...
Bazzite comes with both distrobox and podman preinstalled 🙂
whole bear
I had a Python dream. It involved a whiteboard at my old school. I think it was ...
Are you sure it's whiteboard?
There is pretty high chance you can be color blind in your dream!
somber heath
Are you sure it's whiteboard?
I'm sorry, was it your dream?
vocal basin
kubern't
somber heath
There is pretty high chance you can be color blind in your dream!
I'm fairly sure it was blue marker.
vocal basin
you aren't getting the point, the problems are the main thing
whole bear
you aren't getting the point, the problems *are* the main thing
What are the main thing?
rugged root
I'm trying to think of butler names... There's Jenkins, Jeeves, Alfred....
That's all I've got
short owl
Mystery Python Theater 2025 @rugged root
rugged root
Oh that's goooooooooooooooooooooood
somber heath
I'm trying to think of butler names... There's Jenkins, Jeeves, Alfred....
Jarvis.
rugged root
Haven't heard of that one
whole bear
Haven't heard of that one
This company use it for it's interaction based AI
alpine crater
a good dev makes their own dotfiles manager
rugged root
I'm a terrible dev then
I mean that's a fact regardless, but now I have a new metric to base it on
somber heath
whole bear
https://pacman.fandom.com/wiki/Butt-ler
Yo-kai
vocal basin
a good dev makes their own dotfiles manager
"and great devs convince the projects to change defaults to their preferences"
rugged root
"You don't like ThinkPad? Well then you don't think, lad"
willow light
"and great devs convince the projects to change defaults to their preferences"
most devs I talk to say that the default should be the preference
willow light
then again, the person I talk to most uses Debian Unstable as his daily driver
rugged root
Ohhh I heard rock, not rug
willow light
whereas my brother uses Bluefin
I am very happy I convinced my mother to switch to Linux, but very upset that I had to use Linux Mint to do so
vocal basin
I use openSUSE unstable on the laptop but I rarely ever actually update it
vocal basin
that thing does not have proper VLC
short owl
I had opensuse on a Pine A64
vocal basin
I need to distrobox the VLC
short owl
VLC is good for streaming also , video , audio
willow light
Right now the desktop is running Bazzite, the "I need to attend a meeting" laptop is a Mac (entirely for Teams and Zoom), and the linux "time to screw around and see if this works, if it breaks I'll just do a clean install again" laptop is running (this week) Fedora Sway
vocal basin
mpv?
whole bear
Hello
vocal basin
or whatever it's called
vocal basin
neither of those two work on latest openSUSE
vocal basin
neither of those two work on latest openSUSE
no codec support
alpine crater
dinner, time. so lurking time
vocal basin
I use openSUSE unstable on the laptop but I rarely ever actually update it
though that's mostly because I rarely ever use the laptop
rugged root
What is?
short owl
mpv
rugged root
Stop. Removing. Chat. Context
whole bear
You should have told her I got BF.
How dare you?
short owl
Only the Shadow knows ..... @rugged root
rugged root
Okay now it's just spite
stuck furnace
Alright keep it server appropriate please
rugged root
No, you're fine. It's a pet peeve, I shouldn't take it out on you
stuck furnace
👍
rugged root
Just makes conversations difficult to keep track of when the chat context gets removed
vocal basin
VPN died
whole bear
so many rules in the land of Monty Python
Rules are meant to be broken.
short owl
do they do fish slapping in Finland @peak depot
rugged root
Rules are meant to be broken.
Not here they aren't
willow light
Rules are meant to be broken.
there are multiple mods and admins in this chat lol you're brave
whole bear
Not here they aren't
Yes, they are, as long as one is aware of the potential consequences.
And can face the consequences
willow light
vocal basin
was about to ask if Clari was going to look up if anyone else ever used the same keyboard
rugged root
Yes, they are, as long as one is aware of the potential consequences.
And can fa...
Yeah that's not how that works
whole bear
Dude why?
Does keyboard really matter?
vocal basin
@cosmic bison add datetime literals, locale-dependent
rugged root
<@429280535425056775> add datetime literals, locale-dependent
Evil
whole bear
I have simple old membrane keyboard
rugged root
But helpful
cosmic bison
<@429280535425056775> add datetime literals, locale-dependent
lol, I love it
rugged root
No, that one's passed me by
haughty pier
Stop. Removing. Chat. Context
While we're peeving could chat please stop adding new messages while I'm trying to select and reply to a specific line? k thx bai
willow light
willow light
While we're peeving could chat please stop adding new messages while I'm trying ...
sure thing
rugged root
While we're peeving could chat please stop adding new messages while I'm trying ...
no u
haughty pier
cool
rugged root
I say it with love
vocal basin
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5935682
that sure is some unusual URL path
short owl
very tame today
rugged root
very tame today
Don't jinx it
short owl
ok ok ok
vocal basin
@willow light am I only a half-programmer if I only have those knee-high
rugged root
<@239917638656983040> am I only a half-programmer if I only have those knee-high
Full body programmer socks
willow light
Last I checked the knee socks only really apply for Rust.
rugged root
@willow light ye-S.R.E
vocal basin
Full body programmer socks
10x dev is like a rock placed in a 9-meter slingshot-sock
haughty pier
NixOS is so frustrating I keep running out of disk space and having to clean up. Why can't I just go back to Ubuntu 18.04? Those were simpler times, when I could have the only command I ever needed memorized (still do - sudo apt install blahblahblah)...
spark girder
That’s crazy Hemlock
haughty pier
yeah, good idea
rugged root
That’s crazy Hemlock
Twas a joke
haughty pier
but then I'll have to take the laptop apart
short owl
250 GB SSD like a game cartridge
spark girder
It’s Linux don’t question it
spark girder
iirc there's about 300G of images
Half my computer be like
whole bear
https://youtu.be/SC09WBupUS0?si=dEbectEFi0dLrJDQ
I like this song
vocal basin
iirc there's about 300G of images
I only now realised that it is ambiguous
whole bear
And comments are hilarious as well
short owl
8 T data drive on my list
vocal basin
both 300G of docker images and 300G of image images
262G
I don't need to remember the codes when I can just https://http.cat/{code}
USAbuntu uses .debt files
willow light
https://github.com/zsa/kontroll I like how the guys who made this keyboard keep adding functionality by making open source software
vocal basin
I guess another reason not to speak for me
willow light
I don't need to remember the codes when I can just `https://http.cat/{code}`
so that's similar to cheat.sh?
guess not
vocal basin
@somber heath örb
rugged root
Borb
vocal basin
it returns an image
@willow light it used to be to left of the control on my previous keyboard
by my choice not by default
right now the lock key is in the top right
not that easy to mispress
deafinitely
alpine crater
ohhh we sharing moonlander configs
I do
åæø
I didnt want to change the keyboard layout
alpine crater
so..... unicode
spark girder
https://configure.zsa.io/moonlander/layouts/0pbZN/latest/0
Is it a good keyboard?
alpine crater
I really like it
alpine crater
it is
alpine crater
this is one of my more questionable decisons
spark girder
rugged root
this is one of my more questionable decisons
No. Just no
Why
This just feels wrong
spark girder
😭
alpine crater
cubing
vocal basin
789
612
543
My years of doing retail and using a 10-key just refuses to understand
alpine crater
you know these things?
rubix cube timer
(or yhe just general "do stuff with your hands" timer)
rugged root
alpine crater
this is another one of the decisons I get "wtf" reactions to
vocal basin
how to spot a not Lisp programmer
whole bear
How come VC is quite?
vocal basin
How come VC is quite?
hemlockn't
spark girder
this is another one of the decisons I get "wtf" reactions to
That’s semi reasonable though
alpine crater
our weather has been shit as well
willow light
primal shadow
And it's not above freezing?
NOAA gonna die
😦
Because if we don't know the forecast, it can't hurt us
I think he's still upset about this
About dismantling the governemnt? Yea, that's not what the government is supposed to do
willow light
this one does do a good job for showing topography
primal shadow
So I'm still confused by how Maryland is frozen
alpine crater
meanwhile I am fighting the rust borrow checker
primal shadow
rugged root
Someone left the freezer door open
primal shadow
Maryland is FAR from freezing
alpine crater
(I am trying to make a bastard child of RefCell and Weak)
vocal basin
(I am trying to make a bastard child of `RefCell` and `Weak`)
with unsafe or without?
primal shadow
I think the most appropriate name is Arnie
willow light
System Requirements
GR2Analyst has significant system requirements:
Windows XP or higher
DirectX 9.0c
Graphics adapter with shader model 2.0 or higher support
With the exception of the volume renderer, most shader model 2.0 video cards will be sufficient to run GR2Analyst. The volume renderer is both CPU and GPU intensive. Recommended requirements for the volume renderer:
Intel Dual Core or higher CPU
2GB of system memory
At least 128MB of dedicated video memory
yeah that'll slow me
vocal basin
significantly advanced requirements
@rugged root was it the GPU that one compatibility program was named after?
rugged root
Voodoo?
vocal basin
ah, okay, yeah, those are related
rugged root
It was an older brand of graphics card that got bought up
Can't remember if it was nVidia or AMD that ate them
vocal basin
yeah, and dgVoodoo emulates 3dfx stuff
alpine crater
RUST EVERYWHERE
primal shadow
Javascript DB>?'
alpine crater
rugged root
Wait what? That's friggin' amazing
vocal basin
PDaaS
pointer-dereference-as-a-service
willow light
I was an admin on the API gateway at my old job. Someone had a microservice IN PROD for Fahrenheit to Celsius
rugged root
IaaS. Indifference as a Service
alpine crater
rust is perfect /s
rugged root
Wait wait
RaaS. Regret as a Service
Okay, back on when I get in the van for deliveries
alpine crater
lang dev is fun
I played with a compiler where the int type was actually int ranges
primal shadow
Jobs really do get in the way of free time
alpine crater
so you could have stuff like rust let x: 0..5 = 2; let y: 3..10 = 8; let z = x + y; and it would infer z to be 3..15
(it also auto picked the smallet possible int width for storage and didnt auto conversions between them)
good news, I found a library that does what I need (yay no need to touch unsafe)
kinda bad news, last update is 3 years ago and the repo only has 60 stars
willow light
https://github.com/ARM-DOE/pyart I could probably dockerize this
https://github.com/Unidata/MetPy this may work better in part because chances are someone has already dockerized it
willow light
https://unidata.github.io/MetPy/latest/examples/formats/NEXRAD_Level_2_File.html seems like they have a notebook I can steal
alpine crater
xD
primal shadow
Elixir
cosmic bison
What I first used to get started:
https://medium.com/@marcelogdeandrade/writing-your-own-programming-language-and-compiler-with-python-a468970ae6df
Resource I used to understand how to write a parser (although I didn't really follow it, just needed to understand how it was supposed to operate):
https://supunsetunga.medium.com/writing-a-parser-getting-started-44ba70bb6cc9
llvmlite documentation:
https://llvmlite.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
primal shadow
nazicar is common
vocal basin
saw a Tesla today with a "this is an electrobus" written on it
@sacred imp please stop trolling. if you can't control yourself, then mute.
willow light
I was at the mall to get my charging port on my phone cleaned, and a guy in an F-150 Lightning and I spent an entire ten minutes laughing at this guy in a Cybertruck trying and failing to plug his emotional support truck into the wall outlet.
vocal basin
!tvmute 548219901719085066 1w trolling and being disruptive is not welcome in this community
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @sacred imp until <t:1741805463:f> (7 days).
sacred imp
wtf
sacred imp
!tvmute 548219901719085066 1w trolling and being disruptive is not welcome in th...
silly person
willow light
you were warned and you kept doubling down
willow light
Attacking the mod. What a strategy.
sacred imp
1 second of quiet opera is counted as trolling sure
primal shadow
The beatings continue until morale improves? @willow light
sacred imp
ok
primal shadow
Not all is lost, just some time
The gate is 👍
love the gate
boo, no more february love
vocal basin
@willow light VK
primal shadow
alpine crater
I mean
theres a big difference between finding exploits, and finding intentional backdoors, etc
primal shadow
Generally calling people out is criticism
Criticism isn't forbidden'
``Criticism is the construction of a judgement about the negative or positive qualities of someone or something.
primal shadow
What do we mix with cannabis?
for bonus sleep/
"machine" or two tubes with some plasticb etween em?
@willow light one of these?
willow light
this is the kind I use
odd mulch
nice i was just going to ask if vscode was the best to use
gentle flint
@willow light duck boat
willow light
odd mulch
these are still safer than a homemade submarine that goes down to see the titanic using a cheap controller
you need a machine to make a tool and you need a tool to fix a machine lol
willow light
circular economy
odd mulch
exactly best you can do is make the tool and change it and hope the machine doesnt break down
odd mulch
welcome back
native scarab
hey guys i wanted some feedback on an assignment i have anyone want to see it?
rugged root
Go for it
rugged root
Are you wanting feedback on the code?
rugged root
Ah gotcha. Is it on a repo?
native scarab
havn't uploaded it yet
rugged root
Probably the easiest way to show off something like that, honestly
Lets us get closer to the code and flip through it. It's tough to do on stream
Back later, sorry. Work is kicking my ass right now
primal shadow
Look at hemlock, talking to himself
rugged root
Usually
I'm the only one who will listen, and even then I'm only listening half of the time
vocal basin
VPN died again
wise loom
vibe coding, 10x engineers, of course being left behind if you don't do vibe coding..
100x speedup with vibe coding..
vocal basin
speedup measured by ...?
wise loom
speedup measured by ...?
subjective undisclosed metrics, it's a vibe Alisa..
vocal basin
given it's Y Combinator, likely measured by VC funding burned per minute
wise loom
given it's Y Combinator, likely measured by VC funding burned per minute
mostly yes
vocal basin
lmao the comments
kids these days...
they don't know that the name is reserved by PHP
however bad PHP might be, Composer, the original, is a more valuable piece of software
wise loom
change my editor every 2 weeks because AI is trendy, then vibe is trendy, it's so exciting, just wondering what editor I'll use the week after that
vocal basin
ed
wise loom
I feel like my coffee was laced with cocaine and my heart almost bursting out of my chest, that's how excited I am
vocal basin
okay, 2 minutes in, it is actually fascinating to see the "viewing code as discardable" be praised
the very opposite of the whole Generic Programming (ideomatic C++), C and Rust ideas of making software that lasts
wise loom
okay, 2 minutes in, it is actually fascinating to see the "viewing code as disca...
in a sense.. the code in an active project is transient, in the context of version control where we revise-revise-revise all the time
vocal basin
I guess now Rust is not only too hard for LLMs to understand, but is also ideologically contradictory to the mainstream AI bro talking points
odd mulch
do you use pycharm for debugging?
vocal basin
I use dtrace for debugging
wise loom
I use `dtrace` for debugging
no ebpf ?
odd mulch
whats the best ide?
wise loom
whats the best ide?
idk.. ed is pretty good
vocal basin
no `ebpf` ?
not currently
alpine crater
whats the best ide?
its 
subjective
vocal basin
whats the best ide?
best for what? and judged by what metrics?
alpine crater
(VsCode is often a good bet tho)
wise loom
(VsCode is often a good bet tho)
vscode's remote extension is crashing like crazy for me lately i dont even know why
vocal basin
did you submit a bug report?
I'm heavily relying on its remote functionality, so that bug might affect me too
odd mulch
so why should i start using a normal editor like vscode instead of a ide isnt a ide faster with auto completion debugging and testing i shouldnt use auto completion if im just starting out to learn and understand right?
alpine crater
IDEs are funny, like in general I will recommend VsCode to people, but I personally dont use it
alpine crater
so why should i start using a normal editor like vscode instead of a ide isnt a ...
VsCode has extensions for completions, linting, etc
the editor vs ide line is basically non-exsistent
odd mulch
oh yeah i see that as well
wise loom
did you submit a bug report?
i've seen a few of them already open..
the thing is i thought of pinning its vscode server version but i can't even find out how to do that.
because it has that auto-update by default and every time i start vscode it's constantly updating.
but yeah idk what's going on.
odd mulch
does this also mean if the project is a huge taking you should use a ide instead of the normal editor i mean it does use extentions like you say but does a ide work faster in completing the code for you
alpine crater
not really, an lsp is an lsp
the actual completion generation code is actually shared between editors
vocal basin
does this also mean if the project is a huge taking you should use a ide instead...
VSCode's Python LSP is better for large projects than that of PyCharm
because it has a different indexing strategy
vocal basin
Rust Rover has the same issue as PyCharm
IntelliJ in general has a preemtive indexing model
alpine crater
Rust Rover has the same issue as PyCharm
does it not use rust analyzer?
odd mulch
oh okay i see sorry for asking a dumb question im just trying to understand it
vocal basin
turns out no
vocal basin
I thought it was using rust-analyzer directly, but apparently it's a weird partially compatible rewrite
vocal basin
they don't even have licensing restrictions on using rust-analyzer I think
it's not GPL
alpine crater
I mean they wouldnt even need to bundle RA
they could very easially get away with just a "generic" lsp protocol implementation
rust analyzer should be installed via rustup anyway, not the ide
vocal basin
language server protocol protocol
their rewrite might be because of them wanting a more direct integration with their IDE
without running an external process
alpine crater
I mean, I suppose thats true, it does give them more power
vocal basin
also to get things like what clippy outputs without calling clippy directly
alpine crater
honestly the RA just calling clippy thing is nice, because it means it wont be any strange differences
vocal basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACHfKmZMr8
what a depressing video
idk why I'm continuing to watch it
okay they talk a lot about going fast, and said absolutely nothing about delivering soon
classic
sanity starts at approximately 16:30
wise loom
what a depressing video
i hope they use vibe coding when they code chatgpt so they can ship a trashfire, go bankrupt and offer the world some relief..
vocal basin
it is the issue
Issue-as-a-Service
you had an issue, you solved it with printers, now you can print issues
🎉
sure sounds like success
dense ibex
vocal basin
formal-ish verification for Rust programs
exhaustive tests
as far as I understand, it's a[n optimised brute-force because there is no real other way] SAT solver
.wa short 10000th prime
viscid lagoonBOT
vocal basin
.wa short 20000th prime
viscid lagoonBOT
rugged root
I mean that just has to be cached, right?
I'd be surprised if they calculated it each time
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
print(104729 * 224737)
```
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
23536481273
.wa short factorise 23536481274
viscid lagoonBOT
rugged root
It's weird that WA felt like AI look up before that was a mainstream thing
vocal basin
passes:
#[kani::proof]
pub fn check() {
let a: u64 = kani::any();
let b: u64 = kani::any();
kani::assume(a < 300_000);
kani::assume(b < 300_000);
assert!(a * b != 23536481273 + 1);
}
fails:
#[kani::proof]
pub fn check() {
let a: u64 = kani::any();
let b: u64 = kani::any();
kani::assume(a < 300_000);
kani::assume(b < 300_000);
assert!(a * b != 23536481273);
}
it finds the edge case
vocal basin
!e
```py
print(104729 * 224737)
```
this one
rugged root
Back on when I get to Vaniel
vocal basin
"wildly revolutional idea that surely no one attempted":
have time displayed all around the city so you don't have too look at a personal watch/phone
alpine crater
(in unrelated news, I just finished the feature I was working on for hours today)
vocal basin
"definitely not a thing where I live, couldn't even imagine what it'd look like"
"also imagine the same but for maps, who would ever put a map on each corner for people to use"
alpine crater
(in unrelated news, I just finished the feature I was working on for hours today...
(which was async support in my fust frontend framework)
vocal basin
fust
alpine crater
.on("click", |ctx: &mut S<Self>| {
ctx.use_async(async |mut ctx| {
web_utils::sleep(Duration::from_millis(200)).await;
*ctx.borrow_mut().unwrap().data += 10;
});
})
(strange usecase because I just grabbed code from the integration test)
alpine crater
yhe I am not bothering supporting old rust versions
its a framework, people arent adding it to old code
vocal basin
```rust
.on("click", |ctx: &mut S<Self>| {
ctx.use_async(async |mut ctx| {
...
.borrow_mut().unwrap() feels a bit wrong
alpine crater
`.borrow_mut().unwrap()` feels a bit wrong
the unwrap? or just it all being on one line?
alpine crater
its a Weak<RefCell<...>> internally
vocal basin
are you exposing RefCell directly in the framework API?
vocal basin
so .borrow_mut() just behaves like it, right?
alpine crater
yes, it also clears signal states, but yes
well actually
it also upgrades the Weak ofc
vocal basin
imo it's not a very user-friendly interface either way
alpine crater
(thats why its Option, the state might be dropped)
alpine crater
imo it's not a very user-friendly interface either way
what would you prefer?
vocal basin
I'm trying to think of an alternative, but unable to come up with anything yet
alpine crater
unfortunately theres no stable way to say "hey dont borrow this across .await".
there is a nightly feature for it (which I use under the nightly feature flag)
#[cfg_attr(feature = "nightly", must_not_suspend)]
a hack: require Send on the future
alpine crater
a hack: require `Send` on the future
well that would mean I would need to use Mutex
and Arc
primal shadow
( () ) (())
vocal basin
```rust
.on("click", |ctx: &mut S<Self>| {
ctx.use_async(async |mut ctx| {
...
from this snippet I don't entirely understand how inner ctx relates to the outer ctx
primal shadow
O