can sponges survive getting detached from the sea floor 
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
peak depot
somber heath
I just use my hands...
wind raptor
I will accept others
peak depot
rugged root
I'll be on just can't speak
somber heath
@hazy saddle ๐
rugged root
Call of Doodie
@smoky delta Not to mention the time crunch they're put under
Hai Opal
Medal of Honor as well was a contemporary
hazy saddle
@somber heath ๐
upper basin
Right now, I prefer Ready or Not, and Bodycam (although it's still in beta).
rugged root
@smoky delta Battlefield games are still alive and well
Same with the new CoDs
Oh good, another one
wind raptor
How are you doing today @rugged root ?
rugged root
Fine so far
somber heath
If Death made a game, Cowl of Duty?
wind raptor
Why the need to be silent?
rugged root
Co-worker back here
wind raptor
Ahh gotcha
somber heath
Co-worker back here
My suspicion, confirmed.
somber heath
Carpenters. Awl of Duty.
rugged root
Twerkers? Call of Booty
somber heath
Baby version, Crawl of Duty.
rugged root
I mean
This has been Call of Duty for the last decade
For multiplayer?
Fair enough.
I stopped caring after call of duty 2
The original 2
I played it
I didn't enjoy it
Hold on, back in a sec
vocal basin
I have played exactly 0 CoD games
somber heath
Shotglass of Fireballs.
rugged root
@somber heath Made for crows? Caw of Duty
somber heath
I did not mean to send that.
That's what I get for being half asleep.
@fleet cedar ๐
upper basin
vocal basin
@sweet inlet those are not necessarily "good"
but they do tend to help reduce space usage
you will need to do denormalisaton for performance at some level
vocal basin
you will need to do denormalisaton for performance at some level
through materialised views and indices
(usually)
gentle flint
<@473859714162360320> I have tiramisu
enjoy
wind raptor
!stream 425552190283972608 1h
wise cargoBOT
โ @peak depot can now stream until <t:1737998736:f>.
vocal basin
@rugged root here, have some unfinished meme
why is 6NF not extending it further and just dropping stuff to gain one thing
although actually seems like it makes those - cells irrelevant rather than dropping them
suspicious malware
as opposed to what malware
wind raptor
!tvmute 636982465071677457
whole bear
@steep epoch watch your words
wind raptor
!tvmute 636982465071677457 1h
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @steep epoch until <t:1737999578:f> (1 hour).
vocal basin
and voice ban is still # todo
rugged root
and voice ban is still `# todo`
Yeeeaaahhhhh I still need to finish that
short owl
some people do apps as side hustle , a kid did a 99 cent app in korea to tell when bus or train will arrive , made millions this wa few years ago
peak depot
short owl
he had a Picasso moustache
vocal basin
@rugged root Esteban being the equivalent, allegedly
short owl
if was eating pink pistaciaos , would be pink - just for you
vocal basin
<@98195144192331776> Esteban being the equivalent, allegedly
(to Steve)
@rugged root
short owl
Dartanion , is that how you spell his sidekick
no its , Sancho Panza
I dont know where im getting , Dartanion from - its a bug in my ear
vocal basin
rpm?
sweet inlet
deb.
vocal basin
ALT supports both
sweet inlet
what is ALT?
vocal basin
which uses apt as a frontend and rpm as a backend
short owl
isnt Mint , super lite on CPU ?
rugged root
vocal basin
Alpine and NixOS if you want to get it super small without using extra marginal tech
tacit crane
short owl
microwave it - it will melt @gentle flint
tacit crane
Pure honey is not suppose to Freeze
short owl
warm water if patient
tacit crane
short owl
sit it on top of your cell phone - see what happens , maybe it mutates
rugged root
What, the honey?
tacit crane
short owl
information deprived
rugged root
"Paint me like one of your French girls"
rugged root
<@765580444615573546> China very much tries to achieve "uniformity"
Uniformity by oppression
vocal basin
by what else can it ever be achieved
rugged root
Puppet shows
vocal basin
it's a wrong goal that can only be achieved by wrong means
short owl
Punch and Judy
short owl
very British puppets
gilded rivet
short owl
to the moooon !!!
rugged root
gilded rivet
short owl
Jackie Gleason and his UFO house
Bob Marley and The Whalers , on the moon @rugged root
smoky delta
rugged root
rugged root
Yeah not sure how we'd clean that up
@unique wyvern That's friggin' amazing
I love it
At larger images and videos, how do sixels and glyphs compare performance wise?
civic zephyr
Does vc perms go away if you havenโt been in active for awhile here?
rugged root
Nah
They stay
If you leave the server and then come back you may need to reverify
But they don't just poof otherwise
Also that avatar is awesome
What're folks up to?
Oh nice
So what was causing it?
Right
Good catch
vocal basin
currently doing some database-adjacent stuff
rugged root
@terse garden Any amount of math is too much math
vocal basin
how will you measure that amount without math
seems like something got updated on my phone and now it's consuming ~1GB less RAM
rugged root
Changelog:
-Russian spyware optimized
vocal basin
or just everything, that used to be running in the background, now can't because of internet restrictions
create a TUI library with the most obnoxious system requirements (namely, CUDA)
rugged root
I mean, you cuda do that
vocal basin
@rugged root "the spice salt must flow"
rugged root
I'm still annoyed that Python in Excel sends all the code to be executed in the cloud
It's kind of a deal breaker for me
vocal basin
I'm still annoyed that Python in Excel sends all the code to be executed in the ...
reverse-engineer the protocol, forge the certificates, spoof the traffic
and run your own cloud
whole bear
๐จ๐ธ
rugged root
@tacit crane I've got a co-worker back here
?
Possibly
What kind of stuff
I mean.... if they're teaching you then you're going to be learning
@flint hill I'm here
Just typing
vocal basin
virtualisation
avoid hardware virtualisation whenever possible, do OS virtualisation instead
gilded rivet
rugged root
@hasty orbit https://github.com/python-discord/branding
whole bear
๐๐ฎ๐ต๐ต๐ธ
๐๐ธ ๐'๐ช๐ต๐ต ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ผ
rugged root
We can
vocal basin
technically we see
rugged root
Just wondering why you're being so fancy
vocal basin
as for readability, that's a matter of debate
whole bear
๐๐๐ช๐
vocal basin
"is this technically automation?"
@rugged root
I have decided to make a questionable move of trying an energy drink
(not for any specific reason, just, like, another random new experience this month)
gilded rivet
"You could literally take your homework problems, break it down to concepts, get help breaking it down to concepts and have people help you here 24/7"
whole bear
๐๐ธ ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ช๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ษด ๐ฉ๐จ?
rugged root
Indeed we do
vocal basin
I did not understand that's saying "fonts" lmao
rugged root
That makes a huge difference, there we go
vocal basin
just only paid attention to f
hasty orbit
<@1144346569982889995> https://github.com/python-discord/branding
cheers. as i suspected, the github was linked on the site ๐
vocal basin
"oh, that's a weirdly spelt letter and I know which one it is"
rugged root
The one directly to the branding one?
rugged root
<@98195144192331776>
I have decided to make a questionable move of trying an ene...
Which brand?
And which kind of said brand
vocal basin
I'm not sure if it's intl or just a regional one, trying to find
(looking up the name did not help)
seems like it's Belarussian
what a great website they have
latent dagger
who help mme for monaliza art by python
vocal basin
!e
print(33 / 100)
print(149 / 450)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 0.33
002 | 0.33111111111111113
huh
rugged root
who help mme for monaliza art by python
How do you mean?
vocal basin
!e
```py
print(33 / 100)
print(149 / 450)
```
@rugged root it says caffeine mg/ml is between these values
latent dagger
Let python art monaliza
like this import turtle
import random
turtle.bgcolor('black')
turtle.colormode(255)
x=0
turtle.speed(10000000000)
for x in range(500):
r,b,g=random.randint(0,255),random.randint(0,255),random.randint(0,255)
turtle.pencolor(r,g,b)
turtle.fd(x+50)
turtle.rt(91)
turtle.exitonclick()
vocal basin
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
```ansi...
that's a very small gap between min and max
~0.3%
portable doom format
@rugged root well that was just a screen
iirc
the funniest comment was about how you many "input options" you have without an external control device
vocal basin
the funniest comment was about how you many "input options" you have without an ...
@rugged root do you know about that one?
rugged root
Feels familiar but I don't think so
vocal basin
I doubt I'll be able to find it, but that was quite funny, especially with the implication of how long it'll take to alternate between them
rugged root
vocal basin
Which brand?
Volt, made by Efes Belarus
gilded rivet
vocal basin
cherry cola stuff;
smells resin-y for some reason
rugged root
Don't think I've ever had Volt
vocal basin
I doubt it to be exported outside of Union State
(Union State is RU/BY)
@rugged root used to have that; not anymore
gilded rivet
vocal basin
I remember most codes by both phonetics and hand movement
gilded rivet
5x Miniature Rose (Hot Pink) Stems
5x Miniature Rose (Pink/red) Stems
2x Yellow Rose Stems
1x Deep Red Rose Stem
3x Deep Red Rose Seed pod
1x Pink Rose Packet
3x Pink hollyhock Seed Pod
1x Bridal Creep Plant
vocal basin
with e or with y
gilded rivet
e or y?
hasty orbit
bae or bay? hahahah
vocal basin
it was targeted at hemlock maybe eventually noticing it
eventually consistent humour
rugged root
Michael Bay Area
Just explodes all the time
And I loved the joke, AF
Sorry, trying to update my driver's license online
tawdry viper
Michael Bay Area
mr.hemlock do you know a thing or two about cnn and computer vision or object detection?
rugged root
Unfortunately not really.
tawdry viper
Unfortunately not really.
no problem thank you mate
chilly wolf
hollow hearth
does this play the snake game on its own @chilly wolf
chilly wolf
Yup!
hollow hearth
thats so sick
im probs gonna sound stupid lol but what algorithm does this use? dijkstra?
chilly wolf
it's a DQN Neural Network! :)
chilly wolf
chilly wolf
finally got it working, eh?
chilly wolf
smoky delta
!e
import random
dice = random.randint( 0, 6 )
print( dice )
wise cargoBOT
!e
import random
dice = random.randint( 0, 6 )
print( dice )
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
3
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
489
Ehayeyyyy
!e
n = 10
num1 = 0
num2 = 1
next_number = num2
count = 1
while count <= n:
print(next_number, end=" ")
count += 1
num1, num2 = num2, next_number
next_number = num1 + num2
print()
wise cargoBOT
!e
n = 10
num1 = 0
num2 = 1
next_number = num2
count = 1
while count <= n:
...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89
WAHEY
vocal basin
oh wait it is ansi
smoky delta
What happens if I ask it to tk??
vocal basin
!e
print("\033[31mgreen")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[31mgreen
!e
import tkinter
wise cargoBOT
!e
import tkinter
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | import tkinter
004 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/tkinter/__init__.py", line 38, in <module>
005 | import _tkinter # If this fails your Python may not be configured for Tk
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
007 | ImportError: libtk8.6.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Fair
vocal basin
tkinter is an optional part of the standard library
smoky delta
!e
import os
wise cargoBOT
!e
import os
:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
/home
Oh tis a vm
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
it uses snekbox
smoky delta
Is it this servers bot
vocal basin
smoky delta
Like if we do some funky shit we gonna get in trouble
Or are we ok
!e
import socket
Hmmm
!e
import socket
socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname())
totally based
local host only
wouldnt get it to print its ip
vocal basin
snekbox is fairly well protected, you can report an issue if you find a way to break out of it;
you can test out things to a certain extend; just don't try to DoS it or do anything malicious with it
vocal basin
<https://github.com/python-discord/snekbox>
also this can be deployed separately from the bot, I think
smoky delta
!e
import socket
s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM)
s.connect(("8.8.8.8", 80))
print(s.getsockname()[0])
s.close()
they will have missed something
!e
import os
print(os.system('ipconfig'))
useless
!e
from urllib.request import urlopen
import re as r
def getIP():
d = str(urlopen('http://checkip.dyndns.com/')
.read())
return r.compile(r'Address: (\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)').
search(d).group(1)
print(getIP())
vocal basin
it's isolated from the internet
vocal basin
and it's closer to a container rather than a VM
or, to be more precise, since it's Linux, it utilises namespaces and cgroups, which docker also happens to use for containerisation
!e
from subprocess import check_output
print(check_output(["ls", "-lah"]))
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | print(check_output(["ls", "-lah"]))
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 466, in check_output
006 | return run(*popenargs, stdout=PIPE, timeout=timeout, check=True,
007 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
008 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 548, in run
009 | with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as process:
010 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ZPZEW6N34G2GYPUO4WUYYSRLZM
wise cargoBOT
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
The furthest path is: /home/main.py
!e
with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
print(f.read())
wise cargoBOT
!e
with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
print(f.read())
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
002 | print(f.read())
!e
import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
x = y = np.linspace(0, 10, 11)
plt.plot(x, y)
plt.savefig("out.png")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
smoky delta
!e
with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
eval(f.read())
wise cargoBOT
!e
with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
eval(f.read())
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | eval(f.read())
004 | File "<string>", line 1
005 | with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
006 | ^^^^
007 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax
exec
wise cargoBOT
!e
with open("/home/main.py", "r") as f:
exec(f.read())
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | exec(f.read())
004 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
005 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
006 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
007 | [Previous line repeated 25 more times]
008 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
009 | OSError: [Errno 24] Too many open files: '/home/main.py'
damn it knew
vocal basin
FD limit
chilly wolf
smoky delta
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/"):
print(root, dirs, files)
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/"):
004 | ^^
005 | NameError: name 'os' is not defined. Did you forget to import 'os'?
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/"):
print(root, dirs, files)
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 143 (SIGTERM).
001 | / ['home', 'dev', 'snekbin', 'usr', 'snekbox', 'lib64', 'lib', 'etc'] []
002 | /home [] ['main.py']
003 | /dev ['shm'] []
004 | /dev/shm [] []
005 | /snekbin ['python'] []
006 | /snekbin/python ['3.12', 'default', '3.13t', '3.13'] []
007 | /snekbin/python/3.12 ['lib', 'bin', 'share', 'include'] []
008 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib ['pkgconfig', 'python3.12'] ['libpython3.so', 'libpython3.12.so.1.0', 'libpython3.12.so']
009 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib/pkgconfig [] ['python-3.12-embed.pc', 'python3-embed.pc', 'python3.pc', 'python-3.12.pc']
010 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12 ['turtledemo', 'zoneinfo', 'curses', 'zipfile', 'ensurepip', 'tomllib', 'wsgiref', 'dbm', 'importlib', '__pycache__', 'site-packages', 'lib2to3', 'config-3.12-x86_64-linux-gnu', 'idlelib', 'sqlite3', 'ctypes', 'unittest', 'http', 'urllib', 'xml', 'html', 'xmlrpc', 'logging', 'concurrent', 'json', 'asyncio', 'lib-dynload', 'email', 'collections', 'pydoc_data', 'venv', 'encodings', 'multiprocessing', 're', '__
... (truncated - too long, too many lines)
Full output: too long to upload
smoky delta
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/dev"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/dev"):
print(root, dirs, fil...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | /dev ['shm'] []
002 | /dev/shm [] []
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12"):
print(root, di...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12"):
004 | ^^
005 | NameError: name 'os' is not defined. Did you forget to import 'os'?
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12"):
print...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | /snekbin/python/3.12 ['lib', 'bin', 'share', 'include'] []
002 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib ['pkgconfig', 'python3.12'] ['libpython3.so', 'libpython3.12.so.1.0', 'libpython3.12.so']
003 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib/pkgconfig [] ['python-3.12-embed.pc', 'python3-embed.pc', 'python3.pc', 'python-3.12.pc']
004 | /snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12 ['turtledemo', 'zoneinfo', 'curses', 'zipfile', 'ensurepip', 'tomllib', 'wsgiref', 'dbm', 'importlib', '__pycache__', 'site-packages', 'lib2to3', 'config-3.12-x86_64-linux-gnu', 'idlelib', 'sqlite3', 'ctypes', 'unittest', 'http', 'urllib', 'xml', 'html', 'xmlrpc', 'logging', 'concurrent', 'json', 'asyncio', 'lib-dynload', 'email', 'collections', 'pydoc_data', 'venv', 'encodings', 'multiprocessing', 're', '__phello__', 'tkinter'] ['_sysconfigdata__linux_x86_64-linux-gnu.py', 'gettext.py', 'wave.py', '_pydecimal.py', 'hmac.py', 'filecmp.py', 'ipaddress.py', 'site.py', 'runpy.py', 'inspect.py', 'struct.py', 'locale.py', 'lzma.py', 'timeit.py', 's
... (truncated - too long, too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/VAB3RTJJDPTFPN3LIOAQH7LWF4
smoky delta
!e
with open("/snekbin/python/3.12/include", "r") as f:
print(f.read())
wise cargoBOT
!e
with open("/snekbin/python/3.12/include", "r") as f:
print(f.read())
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | with open("/snekbin/python/3.12/include", "r") as f:
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/snekbin/python/3.12/include'
directory
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12/include"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12/include"):
print(...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12/include"):
004 | ^^
005 | NameError: name 'os' is not defined. Did you forget to import 'os'?
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12/include"):
print(root, dirs, files)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import os
for root, dirs, files in os.walk("/snekbin/python/3.12/include"):
...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | /snekbin/python/3.12/include ['python3.12'] []
002 | /snekbin/python/3.12/include/python3.12 ['internal', 'cpython'] ['sysmodule.h', 'pythread.h', 'pyerrors.h', 'descrobject.h', 'marshal.h', 'floatobject.h', 'pybuffer.h', 'iterobject.h', 'py_curses.h', 'compile.h', 'structseq.h', 'osdefs.h', 'typeslots.h', 'structmember.h', 'traceback.h', 'weakrefobject.h', 'unicodeobject.h', 'pystate.h', 'fileutils.h', 'pyexpat.h', 'listobject.h', 'abstract.h', 'pyframe.h', 'frameobject.h', 'rangeobject.h', 'pydtrace.h', 'pycapsule.h', 'dynamic_annotations.h', 'longobject.h', 'interpreteridobject.h', 'opcode.h', 'memoryobject.h', 'moduleobject.h', 'dictobject.h', 'exports.h', 'pytypedefs.h', 'modsupport.h', 'genericaliasobject.h', 'import.h', 'sliceobject.h', 'osmodule.h', 'codecs.h', 'bltinmodule.h', 'pystrtod.h', 'pyport.h', 'pylifecycle.h', 'bytesobject.h', 'pyhash.h', 'pystats.h', 'pyconfig.h', 'intrcheck.h', 'bytearrayobject.h', 'ceval.h', 'errcode.h', 'pythonrun.h', 'objimpl.h', 'methodobj
... (truncated - too long)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/EUMD2S6EO7YN4VXT2WVTUPKK6I
smoky delta
!e
import subprocess
Launch calculator (platform-specific)
subprocess.Popen("calc.exe") # Windows
subprocess.Popen(["open", "-a", "Calculator"]) # macOS
subprocess.Popen(["gnome-calculator"]) # Linux
wise cargoBOT
!e
import subprocess
# Launch calculator (platform-specific)
subprocess.Popen(...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 4, in <module>
003 | subprocess.Popen("calc.exe") # Windows
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1026, in __init__
006 | self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1955, in _execute_child
008 | raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg, err_filename)
009 | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'calc.exe'
Here
smoky delta
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen(["open", "-a", "Calculator"]) # macOS
subprocess.Popen(["gnome-calculator"]) # Linux
wise cargoBOT
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen(["open", "-a", "Calculator"]) # macOS
s...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 | subprocess.Popen(["open", "-a", "Calculator"]) # macOS
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1026, in __init__
006 | self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1955, in _execute_child
008 | raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg, err_filename)
009 | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'open'
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen(["gnome-calculator"]) # Linux
wise cargoBOT
!e
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen(["gnome-calculator"]) # Linux
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | subprocess.Popen(["gnome-calculator"]) # Linux
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1026, in __init__
006 | self._execute_child(args, executable, preexec_fn, close_fds,
007 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/subprocess.py", line 1955, in _execute_child
008 | raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg, err_filename)
009 | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'gnome-calculator'
!e
try:
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen("echo Test", shell=True)
except Exception as e:
print("Not allowed:", e)
wise cargoBOT
!e
try:
import subprocess
subprocess.Popen("echo Test", shell=True)
exc...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Not allowed: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/bin/sh'
!e
import sys
print(sys.builtin_module_names)
wise cargoBOT
!e
import sys
print(sys.builtin_module_names)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
('_abc', '_ast', '_codecs', '_collections', '_functools', '_imp', '_io', '_locale', '_operator', '_signal', '_sre', '_stat', '_string', '_symtable', '_thread', '_tokenize', '_tracemalloc', '_typing', '_warnings', '_weakref', 'atexit', 'builtins', 'errno', 'faulthandler', 'gc', 'itertools', 'marshal', 'posix', 'pwd', 'sys', 'time')
!e
import _imp
try:
mod = _imp.find_module("tkinter")
print(mod)
except ImportError:
print("Module not found")
wise cargoBOT
!e
import _imp
try:
mod = _imp.find_module("tkinter")
print(mod)
exce...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 | mod = _imp.find_module("tkinter")
004 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | AttributeError: module '_imp' has no attribute 'find_module'
!e
code = """
def hello():
return "Hello, sandbox!"
"""
exec(code)
print(hello()) # Call the dynamically created function
wise cargoBOT
!e
code = """
def hello():
return "Hello, sandbox!"
"""
exec(code)
print(hel...
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello, sandbox!
!e
code = """
def hello():
tkinter.Tk()
"""
exec(code)
print(hello()) # Call the dynamically created function
wise cargoBOT
!e
code = """
def hello():
tkinter.Tk()
"""
exec(code)
print(hello()) # Cal...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 6, in <module>
003 | print(hello()) # Call the dynamically created function
004 | ^^^^^^^
005 | File "<string>", line 3, in hello
006 | NameError: name 'tkinter' is not defined. Did you forget to import 'tkinter'?
!e
code = """
import tkinter
def hello():
return "Hello, sandbox!"
"""
exec(code)
print(hello()) # Call the dynamically created function
wise cargoBOT
!e
code = """
import tkinter
def hello():
return "Hello, sandbox!"
"""
exe...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 7, in <module>
003 | exec(code)
004 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
005 | File "/snekbin/python/3.12/lib/python3.12/tkinter/__init__.py", line 38, in <module>
006 | import _tkinter # If this fails your Python may not be configured for Tk
007 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
008 | ImportError: libtk8.6.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
numpy
torch
matplotlib
pickle5
tensorboard```
vital sinew
Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
Collecting pickle5
Using cached pickle5-0.0.11.tar.gz (132 kB)
Installing build dependencies ... done
Getting requirements to build wheel ... done
Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml) ... done
Building wheels for collected packages: pickle5
Building wheel for pickle5 (pyproject.toml) ... error
error: subprocess-exited-with-error
ร Building wheel for pickle5 (pyproject.toml) did not run successfully.
โ exit code: 1
โฐโ> [15 lines of output]
running bdist_wheel
running build
running build_py
creating build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5
copying pickle5\pickle.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5
copying pickle5\pickletools.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5
copying pickle5_init_.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5
creating build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5\test
copying pickle5\test\pickletester.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5\test
copying pickle5\test\test_pickle.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5\test
copying pickle5\test\test_picklebuffer.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5\test
copying pickle5\test_init_.py -> build\lib.win-amd64-cpython-312\pickle5\test
running build_ext
building 'pickle5._pickle' extension
error: Microsoft Visual C++ 14.0 or greater is required. Get it with "Microsoft C++ Build Tools": https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/visual-cpp-build-tools/
[end of output]
note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.
ERROR: Failed building wheel for pickle5
Failed to build pickle5
ERROR: Failed to build installable wheels for some pyproject.toml based projects
vital sinew
Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pickle5 (from versions: none)
ERROR: No matching distribution found for pickle5
chilly wolf
Windows 10 SDK
C++ CMake tools for Windows```
Sci-Fi, Comedy
Delicatessen (1991) (Movie ID: 171)
Back to the Future (1985) (Movie ID: 204)
Sleeper (1973) (Movie ID: 152)
Men in Black (1997) (Movie ID: 257)
Tank Girl (1995) (Movie ID: 1110)
Mars Attacks! (1996) (Movie ID: 235)
Junior (1994) (Movie ID: 728)
Coneheads (1993) (Movie ID: 577)
Visitors, The (Visiteurs, Les) (1993) (Movie ID: 1472)```Sci-Fi
Starship Troopers (1997) (Movie ID: 271)
Fifth Element, The (1997) (Movie ID: 250)
Transformers: The Movie, The (1986) (Movie ID: 426)
Delicatessen (1991) (Movie ID: 171)
Lost World: Jurassic Park, The (1997) (Movie ID: 252)
Until the End of the World (Bis ans Ende der Welt) (1991) (Movie ID: 1006)
Terminator, The (1984) (Movie ID: 195)
Alphaville (1965) (Movie ID: 1154)
Empire Strikes Back, The (1980) (Movie ID: 172)```Comedy
Spy Hard (1996) (Movie ID: 407)
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1974) (Movie ID: 168)
I.Q. (1994) (Movie ID: 49)
Princess Bride, The (1987) (Movie ID: 173)
Tin Cup (1996) (Movie ID: 284)
Army of Darkness (1993) (Movie ID: 184)
In & Out (1997) (Movie ID: 301)
Delicatessen (1991) (Movie ID: 171)
Grosse Fatigue (1994) (Movie ID: 1499)```
tawny adder
Hello Kryzstof! I have been trying to get myself used to discord, and I think I accidently joined/tried joining your convo.
primal shadow
You did quickly join the voice chat, not much of a convo here at the moment, haha
here with a deafened and a muted
primal shadow
I am not
tawny adder
Am I close? ๐
primal shadow
I suppose. thoguh it depends on the meaning of close
primal shadow
No need to apologize
tawny adder
Are you a developer?
primal shadow
I am
tawny adder
oh great. What advise would you give your young yourself when you were just starting with your current knowledge?
inland beacon
async def delay_execute(delay_time, function, token):
print("beginning sleep")
await asyncio.sleep(delay_time)
print("sleep ended")
function(token)
def revoke_guest_token(token):
if token in active_tokens:
print(token, "has been revoked")
active_tokens.remove(token)
else:
print(token, "has not been revoked")
async def delay_execute(delay_time, function, token):
print("beginning sleep")
await asyncio.sleep(delay_time)
print("sleep ended")
function(token)
@app.route(f"/{version}/user/get_guest_token")
async def get_guest_token() -> tuple[dict, int]:
token: str = token_urlsafe(32)
active_tokens.add(token)
asyncio.create_task(delay_execute(3, revoke_guest_token, token))
return {"Token":token}
don't do plain asyncio.create_task either
it can get GC'd
(can be cancelled without you asking for that)
it almost never happens
need to store it somewhere
for example, TaskGroup
!d asyncio.TaskGroup
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
exits not exist
it allows you to "leak" the task within the group, but it will never leak out of the group
(you don't need to save it somewhere you yourself would keep it)
note that one task failing kills the whole group, seemingly
The first time any of the tasks belonging to the group fails with an exception other than
asyncio.CancelledError, the remaining tasks in the group are cancelled
primal shadow
So make a group for each task?
And treat them as individual tasks with extra steps that don't get accidentrally GCed?
vocal basin
So make a group for each task?
no, that wouldn't help
just handle errors within the coroutine
try:
...
except Exception: # not BaseException !!!
...
@cloud blade ๐
dry jasper
Metin 2
vocal basin
@wind raptor I've just experienced a very cursed behaviour of Rust type inference
so, I accidentally put [] instead of ()
["".into(), vec![]]
guess what nowhere-mentioned type appears
somber heath
@halcyon grail ๐
halcyon grail
Hello ๐
wind raptor
!stream 99041425483653120 1h
wise cargoBOT
โ @chilly wolf can now stream until <t:1738028250:f>.
vocal basin
guess what nowhere-mentioned type appears
||u8, as part of Vec<u8>||
tawny adder
I was just gonna metnion that, @chilly wolf -Can you increment by each eaten piece, so it knows how long the tail is?
Sorry, I cant speak yet
faint raven
pip install pickle5 --only-binary :all:?
bleak copper
conda create -n <name_of_project> jupyterlab <other_needed_package>
conda activate <name_of_project>
bleak copper
I used to work for anaconda so I'm biased.
bleak copper
I was new and in over my head.
quaint python
really?
quaint python
are you able to pinpoint some anaconda functionality and say "i created that"
bleak copper
munch munch
bleak copper
amber raptor
well, not necessarily, more search results means more hits in database
What are we talking about?
bleak copper
https://conceptual.fyi/ educational search engine
cloud kindle
I need to send 50 messages eventually
bleak copper
@quaint python does the slash through the headphones mean you can't hear me?
wooden abyss
yo whats going on in here
quaint python
Yeah @bleak copper i donโt have privilege to speak yet
quaint python
https://www.sas.com/en_us/software/viya.html
I love sas. This is what we used in my master program
tall ridge
so, I accidentally put `[]` instead of `()`
```rs
["".into(), vec![]]
```
a set?
inland beacon
Hey @near jacinth, sucks you had to get off. Could I give you the source code and you can help me of of that?
somber heath
@quartz beacon Shamoui
@quartz beacon Dreamcrime.
@rapid sluice๐
Talk to you all later. ๐
quartz beacon
@somber heath cya
wise cargoBOT
peak depot
somber heath
@round folio ๐
round folio
<@1291192266211332209> ๐
do you know about manim
somber heath
vocal basin
a set?
u8 appears
explanation: "" can be converted into Vec<u8>
so the only thing that is Vec and can be converted from "" is that
upper basin
@faint raven why you sitting in vc1 all alone?
somber heath
@indigo parcel ๐
indigo parcel
<@1241092785705189439> ๐
Hi
urban abyss
hey bois
mellow bramble
peak depot
Hi brazil
vocal basin
isn't (at least) short-term speculation already heavily taxed even in the US
@smoky delta you don't understand demographics, stop speculating.
it's a widely known how initial increase in life quality decreases birth rate, and after that it increases back
rugged root
So long term increase in birth rate?
vocal basin
in how many people survive to a certain age rather
Trump is turning all the Russian anti-US propaganda into reality
old fucks that don't contribute
... including Trump
rugged root
@smoky delta Yes I heard it
vocal basin
@rugged root ourstralia
so that it remains at least a bit communistic
rugged root
Oh my god I love that name
vocal basin
@amber raptor and there's already a precedent even if it's not US for NATO-vs-NATO conflict
smoky delta
vocal basin
The ship is designed to operate V/STOL aircraft
designed to operate STOVL aircraft
about two that UK Defence Journal claims to be active
vocal basin
> The ship is designed to operate V/STOL aircraft
> designed to operate STOVL a...
@amber raptor these
rugged root
@old lotus Yo
vocal basin
does Russia have any active navy currently
amber raptor
<@113304266269003776> these
Yep
amber raptor
does Russia have *any* active navy currently <:pithink:652247559909277706>
Technically yes
No carriers anymore and they are in unknown shape
vocal basin
rotten, rusted and with insides sold for scrap
amber raptor
rotten, rusted and with insides sold for scrap
Yea, Ukraine sunk most of good ones, good being relative
vocal basin
there was some (stored somewhere near northern seas I think?) that got into irreparable state from lack of maintenance
the one that might've previously been Ukrainian
amber raptor
there was some (stored somewhere near northern seas I think?) that got into irre...
Navies are fucking expensive and deferred maintenance is extremely hard to make up
Sea water destroys everything it touches
rugged root
@whole bear Yo
vocal basin
@rugged root any thoughts on this #the-pydis-mass-layoffs-lounge message ?
very weird happening
@molten pewter in how many days?
rugged root
Feels scammy
gentle flint
rugged root
Or just like a blast request
vocal basin
@molten pewter maybe he got his soul sacrificed to make that AI happen that's why we don't see him much
the secret ingredient
non-comprehensive search
@molten pewter AI-based indexing/prioritisation is good;
whereas having it respond chat-like from its "memory" is garbage
using it as a "search engine" without an actual direct search engine integration is fundamentally wrong
willow light
always makes me nervous being in one of the few remaining states where there is no legal requirement to have car insurance. I'm paying $400/month (I do have a history that drives the premiums up, such as the fact that my car got totaled earlier this month) to make sure that I don't have to pay for other peoples' damages out of pocket.
can't join vc, in an online class for cnc machining
apparently being unemployed but having skills makes you a unicorn as far as general dynamics in bath maine is concerned, and they're more than happy to provide training for people who are willing and able to live in maine and handle the winters here.
vocal basin
Or just like a blast request
I don't understand 1) why Rust 2) why codeforces
tbf sketchy crypto startups do use Rust often
rugged root
It's why I think it's just a random blast
willow light
tbf sketchy crypto startups do use Rust often
because rust is trendy, although I'm starting to lean more in the direction of zig and go
and typescript ofc
vocal basin
I don't have a codeforces account with same name
amber raptor
because rust is trendy, although I'm starting to lean more in the direction of z...
Also crypto can be speed sensitive so Rust.
vocal basin
@cursive wave ALT
willow light
Also crypto can be speed sensitive so Rust.
and then we get the question of "if speed matters so much, why not fortran?" but I imagine this has already been argued to death and there is a reason they didn't go that route.
vocal basin
you think these people can even write code
amber raptor
and then we get the question of "if speed matters so much, why not fortran?" but...
I bet Rust and Fortran are similar since they compile
willow light
~~you think these people can even write code~~
anyone can write code, but not everyone can write good code
vocal basin
I bet Rust and Fortran are similar since they compile
afaik Fortran is better optimised with better vectorization support
amber raptor
whole point is Crypto companies want extremely fast code so 100% compiled with no runtime memory management
rugged root
<@819117336874319872> ALT
Which one is ALT?
vocal basin
C++/Rust/C/Zig compile to roughly same
rugged root
That would do it
amber raptor
So Python is out because duh, C#/Java/Golang/JS are GC
vocal basin
last real software using APT-RPM
rugged root
GC isn't necessarily a bad thing
amber raptor
GC isn't necessarily a bad thing
it is when speed is your ultimate concern
vocal basin
you can disable GC in Python if you're brave enough
willow light
GC can be a bad thing if you only care about speed. Only caring about speed is usually stupid in my opinion, but then again I usually do coding where stability is more important than speed.
rugged root
you can disable GC in Python if you're brave enough
What do the kids say? Yikes?
amber raptor
you can disable GC in Python if you're brave enough
Python is interpreted so ignoring GC, it's still slow
GC is least of Python speed problem.
rugged root
I'm not sure if it's specifically the interpreted part that slows it down
amber raptor
or GIL?
rugged root
The GIL feels more restricting
amber raptor
Whatever, if speed is your concern, Python is out because duh. .Net/Java/JS/Golang are all GC
vocal basin
you can disable GC in Python if you're brave enough
from my understanding, this rarely ever makes sense, GC shouldn't kick in much if your data is hierarchical anyway
willow light
I'd say the part of python that makes is slowest is the fact that the language lets you get away with writing shitty code
vocal basin
I'd say the part of python that makes is slowest is the fact that the language l...
and so does Rust if you're okay with Arc<Mutex<_>>
amber raptor
Like algo trading houses use Rust/C for same reason, though there is that one algo trading that uses really screwed up Java runtime environment
willow light
and so does Rust if you're okay with `Arc<Mutex<_>>`
Please don't remind me of that pain
willow light
Why not use Cobol? If it works for big financial corps that don't understand that there are more recent versions of Java than Java 6, then it'll work today </sarcasm>
amber raptor
Why not use Cobol? If it works for big financial corps that don't understand tha...
big financial corps, aka banks are different from trading houses
rugged root
Why not use Cobol? If it works for big financial corps that don't understand tha...
There are worse ideas
vocal basin
Language H
willow light
big financial corps, aka banks are different from trading houses
that's the joke
amber raptor
banks don't need speed, they need stuff that works
rugged root
What's that Visual Basic? Throws its hat int the ring?
amber raptor
VB would be fine at a bank
rugged root
True
willow light
I used to think that maybe I should get more into WordPress....and then Matt did what Matt does best: cause controversy among the louder people on the internet.
gentle flint
can't join vc, in an online class for cnc machining
cnc machining is good fun
or so I'm told
I've only done manual milling
willow light
cnc machining is good fun
I'd end up working for the navy, but money is money, and I'd be able to live comfortably.
gentle flint
yeah nothing wrong with working for the navy
vocal basin
@rugged root same
amber raptor
Government work can be draining
gentle flint
my grandfather was in the army
amber raptor
so can working for megacorp
gentle flint
Government work can be draining
in what way
gentle flint
so can working for megacorp
this is very true
amber raptor
in what way
It's like megacorp controlled by voters
gentle flint
but iirc clari was previously also working for the government
vocal basin
by voters
or mafia ๐ท๐บ
amber raptor
it's big, it moves slow, money gets allocated in weird ways
willow light
it's big, it moves slow, money gets allocated in weird ways
sounds like home
vocal basin
Government work can be draining
example of that in Russia is how managers need to ask everyone whether they've voted and such stuff
amber raptor
example of that in Russia is how managers need to ask everyone whether they've v...
It's not that in United States, it's just government is filled with rules, paperwork, oversight.
Megacorps have same thing, they are just not controlled by voters and in theory, profit motive requires them not to be absolute morons (though many people in megacorps commonly are)
vocal basin
@gentle flint nektos/act?
gentle flint
yes
vocal basin
good thing
gentle flint
indeed
vocal basin
Forgejo Actions is based on it
Codeberg/Forgejo are maintaining their fork/derivative
gentle flint
Forgejo Actions is based on it
never heard of that
vocal basin
99% of all my CI is in Gitea/Forgejo
I'm still running a Gitea 1.22 instance because I'm unsure which way to upgrade it
either Gitea 1.23 or Forgejo 8
Forgejo are fully branching off now, now supporting Gitea upgrades
willow light
Megacorps have same thing, they are just not controlled by voters and in theory,...
although for a while, as long as you meet performance objectives, you can get away with being an absolute moron in a megacorp. I would know, I did several absolute moron things while I was in a megacorp.
vocal basin
they will continue trying to cherry pick whatever features Gitea might receive
but not as much
also they're dropping anything proprietary Microsoft
no Windows builds, no MSSQL support
amber raptor
Microsoft doesn't want MSSQL
vocal basin
also no gogit or whatever it's called
gogit was there because it worked better on Windows
amber raptor
vocal basin
cฤซtus
what was that mongofied postgres called
I've sent it recently I think
FerretDB
MongoDB protocol
postgres backend
deploying where you can't deploy Mongo
also that, yes
vocal basin
deploying where you can't deploy Mongo
@amber raptor this is more important in my case
AVX
it does not support all CPUs
amber raptor
They were proposed by Intel in March 2008 and first supported by Intel with the Sandy Bridge[1] microarchitecture shipping in Q1 2011 and later by AMD with the Bulldozer[2] microarchitecture shipping in Q4 2011. AVX provides new features, new instructions, and a new coding scheme.
vocal basin
some low-power CPUs don't include the wider ones that Mongo requires
amber raptor
Oh, Celeron
I think this clearly western privledge, I don't know of anyone still rocking that bad of processor who works in tech
vocal basin
I've used it for a low-power server since ~2019
for an SBC, that is quite an okay CPU
at least it's x86_64 and not aarch64
pallid kraken
I just bought a thinkpad t480 i5 16 gb and 256 ssd. It was super cheap but Iโm hoping it is performant. Any thoughts?
dry jasper
just put a light linux on it
amber raptor
probably fine for most things, that RAM is bit light when you get into heavy virtualization
dry jasper
๐
vocal basin
yeah, RAM sizes on laptops is generally problematic
pallid kraken
Expandable to 64 gb
How is 64 for virtualization? (Also want to run docker containers and get into Python and Rust on this computer )
rugged root
More ram is always good
pallid kraken
SSD is also expandable
vocal basin
Rust eats so much space
rugged root
Storage should only be restricted by the OS, I think
quaint python
hey guys i am trying to hit the 50 messsage limit threshold os i can join the voice chat for this server
vocal basin
SSD is also expandable
harder to upgrade because OS reinstallation
unless you do Linux which is easier to migrate
rugged root
@quaint python Just remember to not spam your way to it
quaint python
noted!
rugged root
So what are you working on, Pog? What brings you to the server
pallid kraken
Yea it comes with Windows 11 but I want to switch to Linux
vocal basin
if you primarily want Docker/Rust/Python and don't want to develop something that runs on Windows, then installing Linux will make sense
pallid kraken
Ubuntu
quaint python
so, i really want to create somethign profitable with huggingface. i got into programming like 6-9 months ago. i have a hard time seeing projects through on my own accord. very interested in deepseek.
What do y'all think?
vocal basin
though Ubuntu is thought of as a default option, it might make sense to do at least some research on the alternatives upfront
pallid kraken
Iโm a web developer primarily (React, Tailwind, Native, Next, Nuxt, Vue bla bla bla) but I want to get into this stuff because AI ๐คฃ
vocal basin
@rugged root are you still choosing Linuxes
pallid kraken
though Ubuntu is thought of as a default option, it might make sense to do at le...
Yea I saw Debian and some other options but Ubuntu seems beginner friendly
rugged root
so, i really want to create somethign profitable with huggingface. i got into pr...
Always worth trying
vocal basin
<@98195144192331776> are you still choosing Linuxes
have you tried contacting the NixOS person to convince you to Nixify your choice
quaint python
Always worth trying
i just struggle with logistics. i wondering what the best route is for a lot of things. you think of going with paying for the cheap api? maybe using my own gpu with some smaller models from huggingface?
vocal basin
Yea I saw Debian and some other options but Ubuntu seems beginner friendly
maybe regular Ubuntu is;
if you ever start dealing with servers, you'll find out that Ubuntu Server is quite a terrible experience
quaint python
have you tried contacting the NixOS person to convince you to Nixify your choice
i have a friend that is super into nix
he's in the web dev server
i'm on pop! os right now
ubuntu at home on my tower
vocal basin
@rugged root thats who I was referring to
well others don't put it into their public identity
as much
I prefer using Docker for large part of what NixOS offers
primarily because of isolated networking
you can cache/link-hack whatever, you don't get networking as easily iirc
rugged root
i just struggle with logistics. i wondering what the best route is for a lot of ...
Yeah I'm out of my depth on that. All of my stuff is just for fun.
vocal basin
@peak depot "you can listen to the same song over and over so it's no longer the external world that hurts you but that song instead"
peak depot
yes
vocal basin
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IfWS1WiXg
this one in my case
I can probably translate the lyrics but a lot of nuance will be lost
rugged root
@tired raven Yo
peak depot
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IfWS1WiXg>
this one in my case
every time I read the news this song comes to my head: https://youtu.be/Bp6EK84gnrI?si=k88VmsrK_U8t50Pr
vocal basin
primarily because of isolated networking
for reasons (mostly simplicity), I need a running postgres instance to compile some of my projects
vocal basin
I can probably translate the lyrics but a lot of nuance will be lost
would likely sound too traumatic when summarised and not obscured through metaphors
peak depot
Deus In Absentia = when god is absent
vocal basin
@gentle flint release attachment or per-run artifact?
rugged root
In total.... 8ish? Maybe 9?
quaint python
i'm guessing some c++ in here and typescript too
quaint python
In total.... 8ish? Maybe 9?
damn that is a long time. i wish i was better at programming
vocal basin
In total.... 8ish? Maybe 9?
years or language count
rugged root
rugged root
damn that is a long time. i wish i was better at programming
Don't confuse time programming with skill
I'm a hobbyist, I don't do it as a job
quaint python
I know, but still I f igure you have a pretty good grasp if you've been doing it that long. you write mostly from scratch?
@rugged root
vocal basin
"```dockerfile
FROM scratch
mentioned"How do you mean?
quaint python
like are you using ai to program or are you able to write most of your functions and classes just from your own memory?
and/or using documentation
rugged root
Doing it myself
quaint python
see i am so far away from that
rugged root
You always use documentation
The only time I'll use AI is to help me break down concepts or clarify some stuff
quaint python
i need help, seriously i feel like i am so far from doing things correctly
rugged root
Tests in particular, currently
rugged root
i need help, seriously i feel like i am so far from doing things correctly
What parts do you find yourself struggling with?
quaint python
What parts do you find yourself struggling with?
oh dude too much to even put into words. i guess just figuring out what to make, troubleshooting, writing it in general... i just feel like everything
rugged root
I'd focus on making sure your basics are in tact. Everything builds from those. It may sound silly, but sometimes that's all it takes. Learning how to read documentation (and how to find it) is a huge skill to have as well
vocal basin
I wonder if Yandex Cloud has a Lambda equivalent
rugged root
And that isn't me trying to be condescending, I hope it didn't come across as such
vocal basin
suddenly got an idea to make some dumb API endpoints
rugged root
oh dude too much to even put into words. i guess just figuring out what to make,...
And if you need clarification on topics, have questions, etc, don't hesitate to ask
It's why we have this community
amber raptor
I wonder if Yandex Cloud has a Lambda equivalent <:pithink:652247559909277706>
Probably, Lambdas are great lockin
rugged root
Don't compare yourself to other people, don't worry about trying to meet some sort of arbitrary time line
quaint python
thanks for the support!
rugged root
Happy to help
vocal basin
huh
it used to be Redis (probably even without โข๏ธ)
we can hear your fans
yeah, he's got quite a following
@peak depot @rugged root
uh
I don't see any Lambda there
gentle flint
<@473859714162360320> release attachment or per-run artifact?
it's a per-run artifact
vocal basin
so it complains on a new run?
peak depot
ah, right
quaint python
what are you all working on right now?
rugged root
Fielding a few work emails. Trying to help some clients access our client portal
vocal basin
Cost per month = $0.043760 ร Memory (GB) ร Call processing time (Hours) + $0.128000 ร Call count (in millions)
I don't work with so many requests yet
not in the millions
oh, that's without tax also
like 20%
or 25%
it's 20% but I don't remember which way
quaint python
Fielding a few work emails. Trying to help some clients access our client porta...
what do you do for work?
vocal basin
> Cost per month = $0.043760 ร Memory (GB) ร Call processing time (Hours) + $0.1...
so might be up to 1.25 more expensive
rugged root
My title is Administrative Support, but my primary duty is as IT
quaint python
that's dope. how long you been working in it for? @rugged root
vocal basin
> Cost per month = $0.043760 ร Memory (GB) ร Call processing time (Hours) + $0.1...
"calc it yourself"
vocal basin
YDB allegedly is DynamoDB-compatible
quaint python
10 years? holy shit
rugged root
Yeah. Surprised they've put up with me this long
quaint python
i feel the same about where i work and i have been here for two months
rugged root
I was originally hired as our runner, but I've just grown into various roles
I wear many hats here
quaint python
what's a runner?
rugged root
I deliver tax and payroll to some of our clients. I work at an accounting firm
So I run stuff to our clients
quaint python
oh that's dope. how'd you get the gig?
vocal basin
that thing that makes plome's life miserable this evening
oh wait it's not about action runners
rugged root
oh that's dope. how'd you get the gig?
I knew one of the owners. They mentioned they needed help and I had just left a job. They interviewed me and hired me on my own merit (just want to make that clear, it wasn't purely nepotism) and the rest is history
chilly wolf
More ram is always good
quaint python
I knew one of the owners. They mentioned they needed help and I had just left a...
i was hired by some friends. totally did me a favor
vocal basin
<@431341013479718912> `(int)`
if you want to do it the wrongest way
quaint python
can y'all understand what is going on in salt-die's program? that is so beyond me
rugged root
can y'all understand what is going on in salt-die's program? that is so beyond m...
Only because I've been talking to him about it for a long time
vocal basin
rugged root
It's a terminal rendering engine
vocal basin
round, roundf, roundl, lround, lroundf, lroundl, llround, llroundf, llroundl
rugged root
Like a full on rendering engine
quaint python
a terminal rendering engine?
quaint python
like it displays a terminal
rugged root
More than that
It lets you do animations, draw images to it, lots of stuff
Hold on, I'll link the repo
vocal basin
I just use whatever terminal emulator the OS has
rugged root
do y'all use ghostty?
Can't say that I have
vocal basin
Windows Terminal, whatever KDE has and VSCode terminal
rugged root
Yeah I hadn't seen that one before
quaint python
yeah i used default terminal until everyone in web dev disc server started raving about ghostty
rugged root
@silk rover Yo
silk rover
Hi
austere linden
@rugged root, could I request a personal 1-2-1 chat with you please?
Not for long...
Not sure if you can create a VC on here for just 2 people?
rugged root
I mean we can just DM call
austere linden
I mean we can just DM call
Whenever you are ready Sir...
I just need some advice from you, that's all.
rugged root
Back in a sec (genuinely)
vocal basin
Rust's sqlx turned out to be way less pain than I perceived it two years ago
finally being able to just do SQL without fear of it being continuously broken
@rugged root just zfs send | zfs receive
did you just call ZFS inefficie-
rsync it
ZFS on Windows technically exists
wah
password hashing is slow indeed
as expected
rugged root
Ye
But seriously, if I was going to do terminal copying and stuff, robocopy
Awesome abbreviation
vocal basin
password hashing is slow indeed
I picked the fastest one of the three options
@rugged root how is missing taxes punished in US?
rugged root
Fines
vocal basin
big?
rugged root
Can be
vocal basin
or gradual percentage increase
rugged root
Not actually sure
vocal basin
or gradual percentage increase
we have this
basically everything you pay to the government you first "owe"
and if you miss the deadline it starts growing
at a somewhat law rate
rugged root
Back in a tic
vocal basin
@molten pewter "voters just assumed they'll be part of that rich people group since they're living in US already"
vocal basin
The Uneducator
"when are we merging Amerikanskaya Narodnaya Respublika into the Union State"
rugged root
Probably Thursday
vocal basin
"when are we merging Amerikanskaya Narodnaya Respublika into the Union State"
"Tekhasskaya Oblast"
there was some meme about Texas/Belarus affairs
I don't know the exact source
vocal basin
oh, look, another weird postgres dealings
https://turso.tech/blog/sqlite-based-databases-on-the-postgres-protocol-yes-we-can-358e61171d65
this time postgres protocol is the one being implemented
SQLite has no network protocol
rugged root
vocal basin
yeah, seems like just an experiment
rugged root
Fair
vocal basin
sell an API based on API for someone else to make an API on top of your API so now you have a B2B SaaS
vocal basin
sell an API based on API for someone else to make an API on top of your API so n...
@rugged root Discord might be the answer
soft dawn
vocal basin
is this like develop-everything-in-browser thing?
soft dawn
vocal basin
you're running a whole dev env in a browser
that is going to take up a lot of memory just like vsc
either they don't want to bother optimising images before sending them to you or it is processing in-browser
Lightroom is fully client-side afaik
@soft dawn it can be offloaded to the server, since there's a lot of compute and storage used server-side by that service already
soft dawn
vocal basin
!zen flat
wise cargoBOT
soft dawn
Example:-> This video has to be converted to RGBA frames.
1280 x 720 * 24 * (8 bit per pixel)
@vocal basin
quaint python
i saw run and first thing i thought of was runescape
soft dawn
haha, my bad
this is not JSheap, that 1GB occupied on vram
quaint python
that is some serious computing
quaint python
sell an API based on API for someone else to make an API on top of your API so n...
i just put up a job add to hire someone for b2b at our office
soft dawn
that is some serious computing
100 %
hasty orbit
what's this guy's name again? i remember watching a whole documentary about him
unique wyvern
vocal basin
@worldly crane there's a very specific class of games that mostly uses Python;
they all package an interpreter and the standard library alongside it
GitHub makes "just giving an exe" easier too
vocal basin
<@639308909852753920> there's a very specific class of games that mostly uses Py...
don't ask why it's 2, I don't know
smoky delta
hasty orbit
@smoky delta i've been using this for quickly looking at STLs but it's quite limited https://github.com/fstl-app/fstl
having one in python would be very nice
vocal basin
I thought it was added at some point
ah, it was C++
I did correctly remember it being recent at least
@smoky delta do you want screensharing perms?
!stream 765580444615573546
wise cargoBOT
โ @smoky delta can now stream until <t:1738093157:f>.
vocal basin
ah, it was C++
@unique wyvern presumably in C it's somewhat trivial to implement (limited set of numeric types) whereas in C++ you'd want it generic;
so that also, for example, library authors may implement it for their types
since each generic function in C++ kind of also represents an implicit concept/typeclass
smoky delta
vocal basin
@unique wyvern how many keys?
and what size are they?
if it's just a few numbers, storing pairs will outperform
idk when exactly hashmap starts being more efficient
smoky delta
unique wyvern
vocal basin
@thorn gale u16 and u8 rather
u24 isn't a proper C type
need to mask, yeah
u32 might even perform okay
since closer to the architecture size
@unique wyvern just int;
long differs between 32/64 I think
smoky delta
vocal basin
| arch | 32 | 64 |
| --------- | -- | -- |
| short | 16 | 16 |
| int | 32 | 32 |
| long | 32 | 64 |
| long long | 64 | 64 |
something like that
should probably just use types from stdint or whatever that header is named
unique wyvern
!pypi batgrl
wise cargoBOT
short owl
jeeez graphics talk and I get stuck on a phone , I surely missed out
vocal basin
@unique wyvern "performance statements only after measurement"
I've encountered way too many cases where intuitively stuff must be more efficient and it just isn't at all
left niche
library??
vocal basin
@wind raptor are you using it with ReSharper?
VS
@wind raptor the biggest C# project, that I worked on, had its entire liveness dependent on me having ReSharper license
because I really don't want to use default VS
and, since it's a non-commercial project, paying for JetBrains products wasn't worth it
@rapid iron there are also institutes
university-level education on specialised topics, but what they teach is less comprehensive/widespread
@sweet inlet there are definitive reasons against sharing all knowledge as much as possible, therefore linking everyone together won't work;
it causes the same issues as all people having same genetic material
a giant part of all science and expertise is opinions and viewpoints, and at least some amount of "focus" is critical
sweet inlet
<@702622858202841100> there are definitive reasons against sharing all knowledge...
was this in regards to the ai and humans?
molten pewter
"You are not required to complete this form to engage our tax return preparation services. If we obtain your signature on this form by conditioning our tax return preparation services on your consent, your consent will not be valid. Your consent is valid for the amount of time that you specify. If you do not specify the duration of your consent, you are consenting to allow this use within three years of the date of your signature."
What is this nonsense?
vocal basin
was this in regards to the ai and humans?
yes
sweet inlet
YEAH true
but there may be benifits that balance with the negative
quess we will have to see how things turn out
sweet inlet
"You are not required to complete this form to engage our tax return preparation...
i have no idear what this is
vocal basin
2 engineers having contradictory views achieve more than 10 engineers having exact same views
it's actually quite good that AI doesn't force itself into opinionatedness
sweet inlet
ahah, because they are trying to prove the other guy wrong
vocal basin
if the AI wasn't contradicting itself across interactions, it would be quite useless
molten pewter
lealge jargon from Turbo Tax
sweet inlet
i mean it is good to see all opionions as it help your form your own
molten pewter
leagle
sweet inlet
so i guess that you are right
vocal basin
segregating views of different models and/or somehow building a system on top of a single model that locks it into an opinion system
-- that, I think, is what will be a giant step forward for use of LLMs in programming
just not the Devin way, please
"PUSH TO MAIN FFS"
sweet inlet
ahah
vocal basin
"the whole Primeagen chat would have needed therapy after witnessing that"
rapid iron
<@402885977447596033> there are also institutes
yeah thanks alisa
short owl
DeepSeek @vocal basin
vocal basin
perfectly balanced
