this, too, is Scrum
#voice-chat-text-0
flat hornet
hello
frosty shell
hello
dusk raven
sry missed the context?
vocal basin
new windows failure mode discovered:
DNS just stops working, entirely
anyway, it wanted to update, so restarting
vocal basin
sry missed the context?
another user mentioned lizzard couldn't hear but seems like you thought they said Alisa
dusk raven
another user mentioned lizzard couldn't hear but seems like you thought they sai...
oh i see yea i think i catched that wrongly
vocal basin
@cinder vale acquired a skill?
wind raptor
Back
cinder vale
Thank you
wind raptor
Did you get a chance to check out my bot?
not yet
chilly wolf
Okie dokie, no worries
vocal basin
okay time to check up on PR I didn't make
no new comments
only commenting
oh, wow, the discussion resulted into PR being converted into a draft
I'm giving context to the author, since I've looked through all of cqrs-es an postgres-es code and have actual software running depending on those
while the maintainers are too busy with other stuff
it's an implementation of CQRS and Event Sourcing patterns
as a framework
freelancing for outsourcing?
commissioned to make one thing rather than maintain the project
happens more for artists
chilly wolf
Indie probably or should I try to work for a game dev
vocal basin
Godot had some drama recently, but that was political/PR/whatever thing
banning/blocking people for the right reasons in a wrong way
wind raptor
Good to know
vocal basin
singletons
"you're lucky I have mic disabled or else I'd scream NO"
wind raptor
HAHAHA
I knew I'd get some reaction for that
It's a big antipattern in Python, but it is/was pretty prominent in game design patterns for a long time
vocal basin
banning/blocking people for the right reasons in a wrong way
tl;dr:
people get angry for Godot because they have a PR team at all and not just devs and those people are being jerks about it,
turns out the PR team is kind of incompetent,
some not-so-good (understatement) people are discovered to be mods in Godot official communities
wind raptor
Ahh that would do it
vocal basin
I still haven't done anything meaningful in terms of game dev
vocal basin
pvp minesweeper was more of an advanced experimental software engineering project
6d minesweeper next
ohno
random
@wind raptor then it becomes:
is it better to have 2 queens against 1 or 1 against 0?
there is a 4d minesweeper
made in Godot
@wind raptor "inventory management"
wind raptor
Back in 30ish
vocal basin
attempting to remember how to play this
somber heath
@whole bear π
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
primal shadow
that's a lie
somber heath
@muted peak π
chilly wolf
@somber heath
vocal basin
attempting to remember how to play this
done
"this code has class"
"if it works, doesn't mean it should"
yeah, just a joke about other meaning
womp womp
"is Ocen to WASM production-grade yet?"
somber heath
Car fat eerie a.
chilly wolf
vocal basin
Car fat eerie a.
first two words are a good USA description
slightly incomplete
hidden in the car
(AR)
somber heath
@outer kindle π
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
outer kindle
No I understand. I have been in the channel for maybe 4 years
Ahh
Different accounts
My work account has alot more messages. How about that
Yall know much about SSH?
vocal basin
I'm making a custom SSH proxy/daemon because I don't get enough flexibility from sshd
outer kindle
Ever use it to pass scripts to a network port? A program of mine can run via network server
I have never used SSH my self
vocal basin
Ever use it to pass scripts to a network port? A program of mine can run via net...
tunneling?
-L, -R and others
outer kindle
I don't believe so. Just a local port on the computer
outer kindle
Isn't tunneling primarily if you have different computers on a local network?
Like I could SSH into my RPI on say 8888. Does it matter if my computer itself has say a 2807 port or
I mean in the way that the process is happening on local terminals on my singular computer
Well in this case, I guess theres a chance it could be another network computer but I hope not
vocal basin
with tunneling you can get remote's port exposed as local port
SSH tunnelling just does this
it is more useful when it's not a local network
where you just have access to the SSH port and nothing else
outer kindle
Ahhh ok
chilly wolf
Be back later
vocal basin
VSCode also has an ability to tunnel SSH-style out from containers
(just for another example of similar tech)
tulip dove
Hi
outer kindle
If I ssh into a remote network computer, my terminal will open on a open port of that computer.
If I want to directly refer to a second port so that when I open a terminal, any script I run is communicating directly with a software monitoring that port.
Does this sound like a correct interpretation?
vocal basin
If I ssh into a remote network computer, my terminal will open on a open port of...
SSH on its own doesn't open an extra remote port, but, since it's TCP, it does open a local port (to establish the connection)
-L opens a local port that mirrors a remote port
-R opens a remote port that mirrors a local port
outer kindle
And if I change that port?
wind raptor
Gonna eat first, then join again
outer kindle
it is weird to be in a voice channel and not be able to talk.
wind raptor
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
channels being voice channels? or something else?
outer kindle
This server
vocal basin
I first joined in 2019
started being active in text channels in 2022
yeah, it's easier for me to use text
I did use voice in late 2022 but quickly found out I can't speak for a long time without almost fainting
(some mental condition, not sure what it is)
program? (I didn't hear the question well)
I write Rust/Python/TypeScript for work
JavaScript with a type system
I haven't played that game since Epic acquisition
I'm still trying to finish a 4d minesweeper game
not stuck yet
@sleek salmon ?
wind raptor
*I'm still trying to finish a 4d minesweeper game*
So it's minesweeper on a hypercube?
vocal basin
seems like a relative old game
compared to when I started minesweepering
also 72 hours
... or 336
@keen edge the associated text channel for VC is here
keen edge
jo i m confused ...
ii was told i should type 50 messages
wtf am i supposed to do??
was invited to chat and can't chat??
what
so do i type here or in the vc??
jesus
why is this so cumbersome?
is there a reason
i've never experienced this kind of setup
how can i work and chat at the same time??
i usually don;t typ e
i tyupe so slow
i would npot turmn on discord then
lol
is this type of thing a common occurence on discord servers
I think you were addressing it before I got kicked from the vc
Hold on. Let me turn on my Speech to text
Oh, that's funny. I think I got muted
Yeah, this is weird to me. Now I'm using speech to text to respond to you.
mellow venture
I'm muted
wind raptor
!voice
wise cargoBOT
keen edge
No, like I'm answering. in text. But I'm talking to the microphone as if you were right here.
unreal thicket
keen edge
I mean, it looks like I was muted until February 9th. because I was trying to type 50 messages.
I mean, I was told to type 50 messages, so I started typing 12345678910 I didn't know what channel I was in.
I don't know man. dude, I don't know this sht
lol
There should be some kind of an invite policy or something like that. If you get invited by somebody who's on the server or I don't freaking know. This feels very cumbersome. Well, I got to work I guess I'll go chill. somewhere. later. Borch π«‘
primal shadow
I don't know man. dude, I don't know this sht
green bone
@keen edge I removed the 14-day voice mute, just make sure not to spam in the future π
I understand that our voice gate system can be confusing. We're trying to wait until people have some organic text activity on the server, to prevent trolls form invading the voice chat
keen edge
I understand that our voice gate system can be confusing. We're trying to wait u...
oh cool, no shade dude just caught me off guard, never had experienced it before π
vocal basin
I'm still listening to that one same song on repeat
it's been, like, 200 times likely already
vocal basin
I'm still listening to that one same song on repeat
@wind raptor if you don't know which one I'm referencing
#voice-chat-text-0 message
wind raptor
<@373121697957543946> if you don't know which one I'm referencing
https://discor...
It's a banger. I don't blame you haha
mellow bramble
hi
wind raptor
Hi
mellow bramble
what your name
vocal basin
@wise loom yes, the word itself is not banned 
flat hornet
nice voice bro
who
im scared to talk online
never talked
ive only typed in games
well imma go
i have things to do
bye
damn
inland beacon
still tide
hello
hoary tapir
hello
lilac bear
I understand that our voice gate system can be confusing. We're trying to wait u...
actually, this is a really great initiative
so guys, what's up everyone
chilly wolf
I guess everyone's offline cause it's the weekend
vocal basin
@tacit crane S3-like
object storage is a bit cheaper than sql'ing it
(R2 is object storage)
this seems adjacent?
you shouldn't overengineer caching
tacit crane
yes
vocal basin
that's on Cloudflare to deal with already
cloud is almost always the right choice;
nowadays you need to provide specific reasons to move off of it
tacit crane
Agree
vocal basin
@calm smelt no, you're not "being thorough", you're derailing the conversation into an abstract discussion
tacit crane
@vocal basinDM
vocal basin
@calm smelt "in bulk" makes no sense in context of cloud
on neither end, nor cloud client or cloud provider
upbeat timber
Yes
vocal basin
on neither end, nor cloud client or cloud provider
- there are no real bulk discounts on server hardware
- clouds almost never offer bulk discounts
@calm smelt it's a hard problem to deal with => let someone else, the cloud provider, deal with it
tacit crane
Cloudflare offers Custom Deals
vocal basin
cloudflare has a very cursed business model
tacit crane
I KNOW
vocal basin
monetarily
upbeat timber
Cloudflare offers Custom Deals
tacit crane
YES
vocal basin
1) there are no real bulk discounts on server hardware
2) clouds almost never of...
for point 1 -- there is legal precedent
tacit crane
USE IT YOU YOU ARE OK WITH IT
upbeat timber
What does write means ?? Like only 5000 minutes for user can watch video
vocal basin
What does write means ?? Like only 5000 minutes for user can watch video
if you need more, you (or your client) are probably going to be contacting Cloudflare directly
upbeat timber
if you need more, you (or your client) are probably going to be contacting Cloud...
Yes cause the it's stories and there might be more viewer
azure elbow
why dont u self host?
tacit crane
why dont u self host?
MAKING STREAMING SERVER IS A PAIN IN THE ASS
vocal basin
why dont u self host?
reliability, cost efficiency, regional distribution, ease of deployment (including ease of scaling)
not having to bother procuring, wiring and maintaining servers
azure elbow
isnt streaming videos expensive?
tacit crane
YES
deft abyss
unmute me pls
vocal basin
unmute me pls
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
read through requirements and instructions in #voice-verification
@upbeat timber if not clear, ignore Lee's suggestions
tacit crane
I SAID IN HIS LANGUAGE
vocal basin
and I'm not afraid to have that on record in writing
if Lee wants to be able suggest anything sane, then will have to face harsh reality of such suggestions being not context-appropriate
upbeat timber
<@820137980843786240> if not clear, ignore Lee's suggestions
I m using cloudflare cause it is cheap
vocal basin
great, continue
upbeat timber
great, continue
How much it gonna cost for complete hosting on aws
tacit crane
tacit crane
How much it gonna cost for complete hosting on aws
YOU CAN CHECK
upbeat timber
How much it gonna cost for complete hosting on aws
Like which machine like
tacit crane
No Idea
vocal basin
upbeat timber
There are too many machine like 4gb ram etc.
vocal basin
if you're going cloud-native, you might not even need a VPS
tacit crane
I can't here this kind of s**t Anymore
vocal basin
Lambda might suffice
upbeat timber
Lambda might suffice
π€π€ any idea how much ram etc.
vocal basin
You can configure memory between 128 MB and 10,240 MB in 1-MB increments. At 1,769 MB, a function has the equivalent of one vCPU (one vCPU-second of credits per second).
upbeat timber
> You can configure memory between 128 MB and 10,240 MB in 1-MB increments. At 1...
Can you calculate let's expect the best 0.1 million requests and 100 gb something storage and a 5000 minutes of video streaming
vocal basin
Can you calculate let's expect the best 0.1 million requests and 100 gb somethin...
0.1 million requests per what time period?
day? month?
year?
upbeat timber
0.1 million requests per what time period?
Month
π€ like ads normal user etc. page videos
Each page contains around 10 images
vocal basin
I'll stream the AWS calculator, for now just getting Lambda costs
I'm ignoring free tier there
how long do you expect each request to run for?
vocal basin
how long do you expect each request to run for?
@upbeat timber
in milliseconds or seconds
whole bear
https://calculator.aws/
I have no permission to speak ?
vocal basin
I have no permission to speak ?
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
Can you calculate let's expect the best 0.1 million requests and 100 gb somethin...
how long are videos?
whole bear
Normalizing
whole bear
Move to Azure and pay as u go ... more cheaper
vocal basin
Can you calculate let's expect the best 0.1 million requests and 100 gb somethin...
okay, seems like video is the most expensive part there
so I'll just ignore request and storage
$50~$200 a month
for 5000 minutes
vocal basin
okay, seems like video is the most expensive part there
context
upbeat timber
for 5000 minutes
Cloudflare is 50 dollars π
vocal basin
for HD 60fps?
upbeat timber
for HD 60fps?
idk there is only minutes listed
vocal basin
even if it's SD 30fps that's still around the AWS cost
I'd expect Cloudflare to be easier to configure
upbeat timber
Like 1000 minutes input and 5000 reads
upbeat timber
I'd expect Cloudflare to be easier to configure
Yeah .
whole bear
even if it's SD 30fps that's still around the AWS cost
What's fps ? Refers to
vocal basin
frames per second
I forgot just how cheap Lambda is
like
I enter 100K requests
and the cost is just
$0.00
upbeat timber
πΈ so hosting on lambda as compare to vercel
vocal basin
Vercel uses Lambda internally
and you can't really host on Lambda, you run individual requests there
whole bear
like
I enter 100K requests
and the cost is just
$0.00
Is the query in Aws called request ?
upbeat timber
And storage on s3 on aws ?? Or cloudflare r2
vocal basin
Is the query in Aws called request ?
query isn't entirely applicable to what Lambda does
upbeat timber
And storage on s3 on aws ?? Or cloudflare r2
?
vocal basin
And storage on s3 on aws ?? Or cloudflare r2
doing it in the same cloud is probably going to be cheaper
whole bear
Man that's too much , let's talk about simple Data stuff , lesson 3 or 4
vocal basin
purely because of the provider wanting you to move all your data to them
but that's not guaranteed to be true
@upbeat timber your app itself does not need to care
it can be R2, S3, minio, whatever
upbeat timber
<@820137980843786240> your app itself does not need to care
Ok
So one complete aws
whole bear
I am learning about Azure , do u recommend something Aws
vocal basin
as for whether cloudflare video thing has direct integration with r2 -- check in the docs
upbeat timber
as for whether cloudflare video thing has direct integration with r2 -- check ...
r2 supports video and image
But transcoding etc. Is not supported
vocal basin
I am learning about Azure , do u recommend something Aws
I haven't heard anything too bad or too good about Azure
seems like an okay cloud provider
upbeat timber
So can you suggest everything
Like what to use from where
S3 or cloudflare R2
Vercel or Lambda
upbeat timber
And host on lambda ?
vocal basin
no, Workers is Cloudflare's equivalent of Lambda
it's not a VPS
you define a function to handle requests,
that function runs when clients hit an API endpoint
upbeat timber
D1 for the RDBMS
Ooh currently rdbms is on supabase
vocal basin
yeah, that's fine too
whole bear
Well I am new in the journey , I want to improve my skills in Python I finished all the topics like data types , functions , OOP , file and exceptions .. what is the next step for someone want to learn about data
vocal basin
Ooh currently rdbms is on supabase
this one seems quite good given they're doing postgres
compared to D1's sqlite-like
upbeat timber
So lambda for hosting
And my current solutions are good
Btw can't i use workers for transcoding at the place of purchasing cloudflare stream
whole bear
Lambda is a chocolate brand in my country , I will not take it seriously to keep my data in
vocal basin
Btw can't i use workers for transcoding at the place of purchasing cloudflare st...
you'll need to benchmark and calculate whether that makes sense
upbeat timber
Okokok
tacit crane
@upbeat timber
Don't Listen
vocal basin
my first contract was approximately the same pay per day, maybe slightly lower, so this is not too little money
though idk how much living cost compares between the countries
upbeat timber
though idk how much living cost compares between the countries
I m a student soo..
π for first client i would even get convince for 250 but it is 1k so not bad
vocal basin
I suggest against posting that
while it might be legal in client's country, it's far from appropriate topic
upbeat timber
Sorry
tacit crane
How You guys Still listening this S**t
upbeat timber
πidk
vocal basin
How You guys Still listening this S**t
what an ambiguous censoring 
lmao
tacit crane
upbeat timber
what an ambiguous censoring <:pithink:652247559909277706>
lmao
Cloudflare workers can't do transcoding
So i guess cloudflare streams only option lefts
vocal basin
@calm smelt I (and I'd assume many other people) don't consider blatantly wrong financial/business advice, which is clearly going to ruin someone's contract, to be appropriate, so please refrain from providing it in the future, given you're not qualified for that
as for renegotiating contracts in general:
yes, that's possible, and that's sometimes something you should do;
but only do that once you're actually sure it's needed, if you can provide very specific reasons not just "this seems big idk why"
in large part it's more about letting the client know you're open to it and open to changes in spec, etc.
@calm smelt your assumption the money client pays is all the money they have is obviously wrong
client is paying for a software solution not the implementor running and paying for everything
upbeat timber
Got to go bye
vocal basin
@primal shadow I'm not shutting down the project discussion because it's legal regionally
but I will mute Lee if he wants to describe the topic
(the dev did not go into details, good of them)
vocal basin
while it might be legal in client's country, it's far from appropriate topic
@calm smelt you've clearly ignored this
@primal shadow it's not twelve k, it's one k
@primal shadow the client is paying for all cloud expenses
the client is damn well aware of extra costs
I won't repeat the "AI bad" rant in full once more for a while, so just refer to one of the previous
!rule 9
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
reminder
chilly wolf
my damn neural network is buggin out my discord
primal shadow
vocal basin
yeah, was going to say it's not acronym-typeset too, yes
@sleek salmon please stop interrupting other users with "dude, dude, dude" and whatever;
wait until people finish what they're saying
sleek salmon
sorry
vocal basin
fork it and ctrl+H the text
recompile
done
bazzite
ffs what a laggy site
it pains to scroll
@sleek salmon the whole point of that distro is to support games
games are largely targeting Windows
what if I get the urge to consume wine?
resist it. that's like the whole point that religions try to convey
vocal basin
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10iso
this seems to require a running windows instance to use
no more w10 ISOs directly downloadable easily
use illumos, easy choice
get Git Bash
I have no idea what's going on
vocal basin
use illumos, easy choice
but I get an opportunity to shill illumos, so whatever
austere parrot
no more w10 ISOs directly downloadable easily
Try Edge browser in private mode or in mobile mode
vocal basin
yeah, worked with mobile
private mode didn't help in my case
nor edge private nor tor
@primal shadow I'm fairly certain you've witnessed someone jumping in VC to report on another user doing almost that
but, yeah, they didn't go to that extend
only saying they user liked said historical figure a bit too much
currently playing minesweeper
as usual
somber heath
@brazen elm π
primal shadow
somber heath
@lethal gorge π
lethal gorge
hi @somber heath
quartz beacon
tacit crane
somber heath
@frosty flint π
quartz beacon
somber heath
@crimson vector π
marble mantle
"stopped drinking"
also knows as
paying mafia for alcohol
somber heath
@whole bear π
marble mantle
Internal
Compiler
Error
austere parrot
fight!
lilac bear
are you guys playfighting
or is it actually serious?
apparently it's serious
definitely one of the conversations of all time
it was a conversation
there were two people
the two people had dialogues
there was a topic
the two people definitely talked about the topic
vocal basin
apparently it's serious
@primal shadow any intervention necessary?
I'm not going to be able to join soon
primal shadow
nah
I think we're just discussing
no hostility
Making good progress, the jokes subside
seriousness is a benefit
lilac bear
<@221417491136512010> any intervention necessary?
I'm not going to be able to jo...
nah not exactly
I want to talk, but
not voice verified yet π
one day
the time will definitely come
I can see it
time to start changing your friend circle then
wind raptor
!cban 382588112389275648
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @leaden musk permanently.
lilac bear
oh no
it was so legit, why ban π¦
(satire btw)
Mindful Dev wants to gatekeep the secret Steam codes
wind raptor
Prove it 
lilac bear
Source: Trust me bro
wind raptor
lilac bear
it's in your name bro
you're very MINDFUL of gatekeeping
Whoa!
Here's another challenge:
make a sync between Notion and OBSIDIAN @chilly wolf
nah, Notion is more of an all-in-one
notetaking, project management, etc. etc.
wind raptor
lilac bear
exactly
why complicate things when you can do simply?
how long does it take to finish OdinProject?
did you finish it?
how long did it take you, then?
right, right, thank you
primal shadow
!e
def area(w, l):
return w * l
def volume(a, h):
return a * h
object_length = 4
object_width = 3
object_height = 5
object_area = area(object_length, object_width)
object_volume = volume(object_area, object_height)
print(object_volume)```:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
60
@subtle musk
chilly wolf
@faint raven
https://pastebin.com/qE0q5jn4
wicked egret
Mindful Dev wants to gatekeep the secret Steam codes
was someone doing one of those scams?
peak depot
neural network
wind raptor
Sorry. I have a client now.
gentle flint
wet scroll
hello
wet scroll
what time is it for where you're from?
trim nymph
Hi guys why cant i talk in the call ?
wet scroll
oops :P
whole bear
i want pasta
Use ubereats
wet scroll
yeah, but maybe tomorrow its pretty late
whole bear
@whole bear How you doing?
whole bear
<@456226577798135808> How you doing?
not bad, what about you?
vocal basin
@peak depot tiramisu is great even when made by one of the famously-low-quality Russian brands, "ΠΊΠ°ΠΆΠ΄ΡΠΉ Π΄Π΅Π½Ρ"
whole bear
I thought you where at capitol
I'm not quite sure what you mean?
peak depot
<@425552190283972608> tiramisu is great even when made by one of the famously-lo...
nice!
vocal basin
they put way less sugar in it than they should, but I prefer less sweet, so for me even better
whole bear
I'm not quite sure what you mean?
Ig you where supposed to be at capitol of India.
It was republic day of India yesterday.
I guess, you didn't had "maqsad"
dry jasper
whole bear
Ig you where supposed to be at capitol of India.
It was republic day of India ye...
Im not from India xD
whole bear
Damn but ur muhammad
Muhammad is the most popular name in the world, why I'm supposed to be from India )))
whole bear
Muhammad is the most popular name in the world, why I'm supposed to be from Indi...
Most popular muslim name
whole bear
Most popular muslim name
Yes I do know
by the way, Im from Russia
why we are suppresed in voice chat?
whole bear
by the way, Im from Russia
Chechnya?
whole bear
North caucasus?
yes, Dagestan
whole bear
yes, Dagestan
Expected
where Nurmagomedovs and Hasbik are from
Putin is devil isn't he?
whole bear
where Nurmagomedovs and Hasbik are from
heared about it!!
whole bear
Putin is devil isn't he?
I dont think so
Why?
He bombed Chechnya
Killed thousands of innocent muslim
maybe he is a tought man, but not a devil
whole bear
Killed thousands of innocent muslim
its our world
Hmm
Yes he is great leader, isn't he?
I like him, but he hasn't nuked finland yet!
whole bear
I from village that was bombed with Chechnya, many houses was destroyed. But it was a war. I dont think that we have good and evil.
gentle flint
kwark
whole bear
Yes he is great leader, isn't he?
I hope
gentle flint
short owl
kinda like yogurt ?
whole bear
I hope
he should have nuked finland before it joined nato, he makes bluff about nuke..
I think he is failure to russian, having nato next to moscow
short owl
like a cheese
whole bear
he should have nuked finland before it joined nato, he makes bluff about nuke.....
I'm not that good at politics
whole bear
I hope
Nah he isn't he is thug that can kill his own citizen like Chechnya, but doesn't have a guts to do so with finland, sweden, etc
I only hope he will not start ww3
whole bear
I only hope he will not start ww3
Why should he?
Almost all of world war were started by European
whole bear
Why should he?
Almost all of world war were started by European
He can change the stats
elder flint
Can someone tell me what do I have to do?
whole bear
He can change the stats
Let's see so far he failed to even stop finland to join nato
Now he is bombing another of his kind ukrainian
whole bear
Can someone tell me what do I have to do?
you havent png file
short owl
yogurt + granola is good
whole bear
Can someone tell me what do I have to do?
check your assets folder
elder flint
check your assets folder
yes
wind raptor
Can someone tell me what do I have to do?
Looks like you are not running the correct file
whole bear
Now he is bombing another of his kind ukrainian
from chechnya to ukrainian.
short owl
The Shit Council - @peak depot
elder flint
Looks like you are not running the correct file
do you know why?
wind raptor
Can someone tell me what do I have to do?
whole bear
from chechnya to ukrainian.
hope he try his best. I only can trust him
whole bear
hope he try his best. I only can trust him
Hmm..
have you been to serbia ?
elder flint
You are running menu.py and not music.py
and now?
whole bear
Hmm..
have you been to serbia ?
No (
elder flint
I can hear you in call if you prefer to talk
wind raptor
pip install playsound
elder flint
I think you need to install playsound
I already did
whole bear
Do you know about Novi Sad?
No
elder flint
in cmd
elder flint
`pip install playsound`
ty btw
wind raptor
in the bottom right corner of VS Code, what version of python is there?
whole bear
I already did
check pip list
elder flint
whole bear
check ```pip list```
it will list installed utility that he may have installed
wind raptor
now type pip --version in your cmd
whole bear
What city have you been to other than city in North Caucasus?
I was in Moscow, Dubai, Dempasar (Bali), Istambul and some Russian mini towns.
elder flint
check ```pip list```
wind raptor
pip list doesn't help. please type pip --version
whole bear
it will list installed utility that he may have installed
Yes, I wanted him to make sure that all the biibilibraries are installed in the environment where he runs the script.
elder flint
whole bear
I was in Moscow, Dubai, Dempasar (Bali), Istambul and some Russian mini towns.
You should visit Novi sad , it has lost of festival
whole bear
where r u from?
I've been there
wind raptor
Oh wait, no it's not. VS Code is using 3.13.1, your terminal is using 3.13.3
short owl
life is rolling a boulder up a hill @primal shadow
vocal basin
I was in Moscow, Dubai, Dempasar (Bali), Istambul and some Russian mini towns.
Russian mini towns
Voronezh
whole bear
Russia has one of best Architecture
elder flint
Oh wait, no it's not. VS Code is using 3.13.1, your terminal is using 3.13.3
what should I do?
vocal basin
Russia has one of best Architecture
SPb's pre-Soviet architecture is getting rapidly destroyed
who could've guess that in a regime based on lawlessness cultural site preservation laws don't work either
wind raptor
what should I do?
click on the python version in vs code and change it to 3.13.3
whole bear
who could've guess that in a regime based on lawlessness cultural site preservat...
Sad to hear that
But I liked what I saw in Novi Sad
wind raptor
You can copy the path from the pip --version output
vocal basin
SPb's pre-Soviet architecture is getting rapidly destroyed
Moscow has less of that issue
whole bear
Moscow has less of that issue
I wonder why?
short owl
self medicating and pushing boundries - cant happen to me belief - overdose by opportunity
wind raptor
!stream 266030641382948865 1h
wise cargoBOT
β @faint raven can now stream until <t:1737923933:f>.
elder flint
can I also stream?
vocal basin
!e
from time import time
print(f"<t:{int(time()) + 120}>")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
<t:1737920501>
<t:1737920501:R>
two minutes timer
oh wait it's absolute time
fixed
@faint raven why is the animation not symmetric in terms of time?
makes it look a bit unnatural
peak depot
short owl
training for .... boat sinking ?
vocal basin
"fishing humans out of there is the more entertaining part"
I still need to start playing SIGNALIS properly
it started it once it was too confusing for my 1.37 braincells, then closed
wind raptor
can I also stream?
You have to have voice permissions to stream
elder flint
You have to have voice permissions to stream
yeah I know, was just asking u are in call and I thought it would be easier for you to help me
vocal basin
@wind raptor C:\Windows\System32 in my case
oh
btw
fun fact
I used not to have PATH system-level at all for a few minutes
because of some official firmware thing's uninstaller being bad
and Windows didn't like the installer either
(after updating Windows)
short owl
Can activate linux inside W10 after that what to do with it ? @vocal basin
lilac raven
hello
lavish rover
!report @wind raptor
elder flint
check ```pip list```
how do I write code like this?
tawdry viper
broooooooooooo
faint raven
<@266030641382948865> there's a kali link up there
thank you
tawdry viper
what was that comic?
lilac raven
<@266030641382948865> there's a kali link up there
hello brooooo
Hello, I am Abdel Rahman Ahmed from Egypt. I am a vulnerability discoverer and at the same time a developer of penetration testing tools for websites and networks. I have obtained many certificates, including a certificate from the Institute of Information Technology, because I discovered many vulnerabilities in many websites and large sites, such as a vulnerability in Google and a vulnerability in Microsoft, which leads I obtained the title of Snake of the Year from Google and some certificates in various fields in Python programming , ΩΨ°Ψ§ Ψ¨ΩΨΆΩ Ψ±Ψ¨Ω (thanks to God)
tacit crane
tawdry viper
Hello, I am Abdel Rahman Ahmed from Egypt. I am a vulnerability discoverer and a...
@primal shadow
elder flint
I used not to have `PATH` system-level at all for a few minutes
how can I write "PATH" like this
primal shadow
Hello, I am Abdel Rahman Ahmed from Egypt. I am a vulnerability discoverer and a...
Welcome to the server, a great place to discuss all sorts of good stuff
lilac raven
Welcome to the server, a great place to discuss all sorts of good stuff
My broooo
tacit crane
short owl
nibbles
or nybbles
may get a single induction element just to see if I like it @gentle flint
gentle flint
an interesting idea
lilac raven
lol
wind raptor
!tvmute 537413767634485263 7d trolling in voice chat
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @whole bear until <t:1738528051:f> (7 days).
whole bear
short owl
Im guessing you have much more temp precision with inductive element , I like cast iron but my stove just .. well I burn stuff @gentle flint
gentle flint
depends
whole bear
Im guessing you have much more temp precision with inductive element , I like ca...
cast iron skillet much better
gentle flint
there are good and bad induction stoves
short owl
that razors edge of making it crispy and burning it
whole bear
@primal shadow π
primal shadow
β€οΈ
vocal basin
@wind raptor I thought it was more than two weeks
whole bear
<@373121697957543946> I thought it was more than two weeks
nice profile picture
primal shadow
β¦οΈ β£οΈ
vocal basin
β€οΈβ₯οΈ
"I'm so tempted to encode Loss with that"
wind raptor
Welcome @iron geyser π
iron geyser
Welcome <@150037535072976896> π
Hello You :p
iron geyser
Welcome <@150037535072976896> π
What do you do now ? π
wind raptor
Learning Zig
short owl
Trumpy investing 500 BILLION tax dollars in AI research , so think it over ...
vocal basin
@lavish rover preferably, it should be reused rather than rewritten
iron geyser
Ah ok π
lilac raven
I create penetration testing tools for websites and networks. If someone has created a website and wants me to install one of the website penetration testing tools, or wants me to test it, choose his website. I am here. my brothers
vocal basin
you should be writing domain-specific code
if you're tasked with writing dumb CRUD, write dumb CRUD
which you don't even need AI for, Rails and alike can codegen it algorithmically
when are we putting AI into Rails
vocal basin
so true
it's been there all along
AI-driven proc macros next
I hate that this is possible
lilac raven
I am a maker of penetration testing tools for websites and networks. If someone has created a website and wants to send me one of the website penetration testing tools or wants me to test it, choose his website. I am here.
vocal basin
I see how much negatively AI use is impacting software as a whole now,
so I can't speak anything positive about it other than making programming more accessible
lavish rover
I see how much negatively AI use is impacting software as a whole *now*,
so I ca...
in what sense?
vocal basin
way more bugs in the end product, too much extra noise, programmers learn slower
almost each instance of a human copying AI output of something like ChatGPT into their codebase is direct harm
at least in all environments I've seen
lavish rover
sure, but people should not be doing that. Akin to "whenever people stab themselves with a knife it's bad for them, therefore knives are bad"
vocal basin
sure, but people should not be doing that. Akin to "whenever people stab themsel...
unironically this is a good argument to ban guns
lavish rover
depends on what you think the possible positives are for XYZ
for knives i can see many, for guns idk
AI personally has been incredibly helpful for me to learn
vocal basin
even discord is angry
lilac raven
Just as I create penetration testing tools, I can also create websites using Flask
lavish rover
even discord is angry
teaching people to use it is a pain, i agree
most people don't seem to want to
but i do think that in the hands of skilled folks it is an overwhelming net positive
frosty shell
Flask is fun, I used it once
tornado is also a fun one
websockets are allowed there
primal shadow
Never touched that, we PHP at work and I don't generally make websites for fun
frosty shell
oof. okay
primal shadow
Yea, PHP is as bad as they say
lavish rover
PHP at work
yeah i feel that lol
lilac raven
Flask is fun, I used it once
I advise you to try it many times because it is amazing
lavish rover
we have a PHP fork at work
frosty shell
we have a PHP fork at work
call it Pork?
lavish rover
Hack
vocal basin
call it Pork?
@primal shadow flashbacks to earlier
lavish rover
primal shadow
<@221417491136512010> flashbacks to earlier
π€£
lilac raven
Yea, PHP is as bad as they say
Easy to hack
vocal basin
a user
lilac raven
Is there anyone here who makes websites?
lavish rover
short owl
discord is 25 Meg max ? file send
wind raptor
Is there anyone here who makes websites?
I do
short owl
space needle Toronto
wind raptor
what is your website
The last one I made was a full-stack site for a baseball association so they can manage their teams/players/events/coaches
lilac raven
The last one I made was a full-stack site for a baseball association so they can...
great
vocal basin
but i do think that in the hands of skilled folks it is an overwhelming net posi...
there is some semi-joke name* of a bias, can't remember what it is,
where severe negative opinion of a tech is derived from having to fix it being broken all the time,
I likely have that
* the one that t3.gg used for some consultant that dealt with broken Next.js, therefore that consultant hated it
lilac raven
The last one I made was a full-stack site for a baseball association so they can...
I also make websites, but with Flask, one of the websites I created was a social networking site
wind raptor
Nice!
wind raptor
That's a lot of work to hook everything up correctly if you had comments, images, etc
lilac raven
That's a lot of work to hook everything up correctly if you had comments, images...
yap it is had
vocal basin
there is some semi-joke name\* of a bias, can't remember what it is,
where sever...
β¦ this all makes it funnier that I've learned the fastest after ChatGPT release;
temporal correlation with 0 causation, since I don't use it to learn or write code, only to toy with it
@wind raptor the most important thing I have on the desktop
I normally have all icons hidden
I haven't looked at what it looked like for months
lilac raven
That's a lot of work to hook everything up correctly if you had comments, images...
Do you have an idea for a website?
vocal basin
why do I have two desktop.inis there
@frosty shell I've worked with C and Rust FFI in Python, but not yet C++
and Rust-C++ bridge
wind raptor
brb
vocal basin
once you get into ABI compat, C++ is hell
lilac raven
brb
Keep telling me about an idea for a site so we can build together if you want, I'm here
vocal basin
@frosty garnet latency is one of primary metrics for any web page, for example
that's where milliseconds translate directly to income
often it's better to have a working program that one that's not yet delivered because it's overengineered for "performance"
you can't claim performance if don't have a system to measure
lilac raven
Are there other website programmers here?
vocal basin
I've worked on a few websites
lilac raven
I've worked on a few websites
Great, have you built websites with flask?
vocal basin
@primal shadow my CPU/motherboard technically supports 256GB but it's nearly impossible to get 64GB RAM sticks, so I can get 192GB at best
sinful nymph
hello
frosty shell
Great, have you built websites with flask?
FastAPI seems better for some reasons.
mainly I've seen it in production apis
vocal basin
seems like the industry actually did decide "okay, this seems to far, let's go back a bit" with DDR5 as a whole
frequencies aren't reaching extremes either
lilac raven
I want to be friends with web programmers so we can build websites together.
vocal basin
@frosty shell Intel? AMD? No, we're using MCST Elbrus
lilac raven
Is there anyone who accepts my friendship?
lilac raven
I want to be friends with web programmers so we can build websites together.
Is there anyone who accepts my friendship?
vocal basin
do you have any existing projects?
frosty shell
<@463467303523319810> Intel? AMD? No, we're using MCST Elbrus
Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies ?
vocal basin
yes
MCST processors are produced at TSMC,
funny acronym anagram
ARM is no longer RISC
short owl
TSMC = Taiwan ?
lilac raven
do you have any existing projects?
I have made some websites but there is an idea of ββa website that I want to build with someone
vocal basin
TSMC = Taiwan ?
yes
vocal basin
do you have any existing projects?
in some place that other can contribute too, e.g. GitHub
it's a bit easier to get people to collaborate if you already have something
at least an existent repository
short owl
Github , website projects page , they are always great - can learn so much there ...
lilac raven
I have made some websites but there is an idea of ββa website that I want to bui...
I already have a website penetration testing tool that will examine the website that I created.
lilac raven
in some place that other can contribute too, e.g. GitHub
you can,t help me
or be frinds
short owl
I know how to ask people for help in a nice way - so maybe your correct
lilac raven
you can,t help me
I also think that there are many wonderful people here and there.
vocal basin
@frosty shell Rust is great for JSON and alike if you work with strict schemas
frosty shell
Rust is okay
vocal basin
so much that I'd rather use WASM than rewrite it in JS
serde is way too good
Go I think has something similar too
I don't really need it for performance
yeah, there is no reason to compare to native
only matters to compare to JS
and, spoiler, you will find out WASM to be slower there too sometimes
lilac raven
I want someone to help me create a website. If anyone has an idea for a website that they want to implement, please send it to me.
frosty shell
^^ ask businesses in your local area to build a website for them, you get more points that way and possible dollars if you can pull it off.
or build for free/cheap if you need to build a portfolio
lilac raven
^^ ask businesses in your local area to build a website for them, you get more p...
I can do that but I want to build our own website
vocal basin
`serde` is way too good
how did I not know #[serde(transparent)] is a thing
@faint raven it's almost non-weekend
(as for streaming games)
((idk if you're leaving the stream on on purpose or just forgot))
oh wait
!unstream 266030641382948865
wise cargoBOT
β This member doesn't have video permissions to remove!
@faint raven's stream has been suspended!
lilac raven
At the same time, I created many penetration testing tools, and through these tools, I discovered many vulnerabilities. If anyone has a website of his own and wants me to try to discover a vulnerability in it, I am here.
wind raptor
I forgot what game that is
What game was it?
vocal basin
(that was a figure of speech)
vocal basin
What game was it?
MK
wind raptor
Ahh
vocal basin
I did notice it early enough
wind raptor
That would do it
vocal basin
@wind raptor Zig does have some amount of reflection so maybe you can do something attribute-ey/CI-ish
to get similar experience to FastAPI
@wind raptor that's only okay for inspiration, not for judgement
grand crescent
Hello guys
vocal basin
AI might be able to have pieces of data you can pull out of it that cover some topic somewhat comprehensively,
but it's unable to present them that way by default
it's not a database of knowledge, it cannot present all it knows on a topic in one big response
grand crescent
i have maybe a stupid question but is there anyone who maybe knew sth about modding wot or new sth about python 2.7 π
vocal basin
docker run -it --rm python:2.7
vocal basin
AI might be able to have pieces of data you can pull out of it that cover some t...
there is a usecase where I think AI is okay-ish for judgement if you try and it helps your project:
dumb PR/code review bot, which is forced into nitpicking everything it sees, that you can argue with
Devin is a scam, that's just that
grand crescent
my life is a scam XD
vocal basin
git push --force-with-lease --delete devin/main
note: --force-with-lease and --delete is almost guaranteed to fail
vocal basin
`git push --force-with-lease --delete devin/main`
in reference to that Primeagen video
frosty garnet
sudo rm -rf **deven**
vocal basin
in reference to that Primeagen video
JUST PUSH TO MAIN
grand crescent
im learning python 2.7 to mod game WOT for my project with my friend and we cant download information about damage taken in game and save that in txt file. Did you know maybe some tools
i dont really know to much about programming
i have to use 2.7 because all game is on 2.7
...
grand crescent
world of tanks
tawdry viper
im learning python 2.7 to mod game WOT for my project with my friend and we cant...
add 0.3 to it
grand crescent
if this gonna help something
i download a running mod for wot
and im trying to learn how to mod world of tanks because all tutorials or anything is in russian XD
i find a folders which help me a lot of
i run the game and my code save in txt file soo for me that was a really big step
yea wait i will explain you
vocal basin
and im trying to learn how to mod world of tanks because all tutorials or anythi...
meanwhile in Russia it's no longer called World of Tanks lmao
grand crescent
XD
vocal basin
the game is Belarussian
grand crescent
ok so
vocal basin
and it's not entirely a Russia-controlled territory yet, so the business can just boycott directly dealing with Russia like Europe does
vocal basin
use a thin shim to communicate to a proper language
^ I highly recommend doing this
grand crescent
i want to from running battle. When i got a hit to my tank i want to save a damage which i taken. I write this but its not working at all
sorry for my english im not good in talking π
for test i wrote this :
frosty garnet
i want to from running battle. When i got a hit to my tank i want to save a dama...
hm. looks like an odd place to track that. can probably write to a file in a similar way in the function that accepts tank damage or affects your tank health, smth like that
wicked egret
oh dang
vocal basin
at least according to the ultralytics docs
grand crescent
the part of code Im really not good ,wrote to folder
vocal basin
@wicked egret but allegedly some support for the CPU acceleration does exist
grand crescent
hm. looks like an odd place to track that. can probably write to a file in a sim...
did you maybe know how to find the file?
wicked egret
tysm
vocal basin
<@955179074333081691> but allegedly some support for the CPU acceleration does e...
presumably, since the Hub supports it, underlying tech does too
womp womp
wicked egret
ik
grand crescent
did i have to give this brackets over here ?
wicked egret
idk wdym? plese be more specific
*please
btw does anyone know if camera is enabled? I want to show my hacked devices collection, and i saw someone else doing it.
vocal basin
anything related to hacking in a malicious-adjacent sense is out of scope of this server
vocal basin
btw does anyone know if camera is enabled? I want to show my hacked devices coll...
@wind raptor if you're willing to watch over the stream and check if okay
(I'm currently somewhat busy)
vocal basin
I'm still listening to that one same song on repeat
... okay back to that again
vocal basin
@primal shadow whenever it isn't aliased, vi ends up causing some weird ANSI bugs
idk why
iirc that was either through SSH or via docker exec and it just went completely non-functional
vocal basin
!tvmute 796787433294266398 2w the first line of requirements for voice verification explicitly tells you not to spam; you're expected to meaningfully engage in conversations instead
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @whole bear until <t:1739147366:f> (14 days).
vocal basin
@steel oriole
why are there theories with Rust?
oh, you don't know about C++ yet seem like
correct decision
as for whether it's possible to truly know Rust, it absolutely is
the language isn't as big and complex as it seems
... assuming you limit yourself to stable only
wind raptor
steel oriole
vocal basin
openSUSE mentioned
I don't even remember why I'm using it on the laptop anymore
@gentle flint just wait until next October
wind raptor
vocal basin
one day maybe there will be game analysis
or at least replay
I do, like, have the data for it
, since all games are recorded
C4 (ZeroMQ's project maintenance model) requires there be at least 2 maintainers always
nova stream
<@473859714162360320> https://www.centennialcollege.ca/programs-courses/full-tim...
god, it's $125.00 CAD per year for foreign students!
gentle flint
off for bed, gn chris
nova stream
off for bed, gn chris
same
wind raptor
off for bed, gn chris
Was watching the low taper fade vid
Have a great one!
latte buffet
vocal basin
wind raptor
!stream 1044405933100498944
wise cargoBOT
β @last wigeon can now stream until <t:1737943051:f>.
vocal basin
so close
@wind raptor I think I've mentioned this before, but this page uses HTMX:
https://ccms.parrrate.ru/stats/
slightly lacks styling
vocal basin
<@373121697957543946> I think I've mentioned this before, but this page uses HTM...
it probably shouldn't but I'm too lazy to change it
smoky delta
vocal basin
Cool that you do stats though
I can add new stats and they'll automatically include old games
wind raptor
Oh sick
vocal basin
it's not SQL'ing anything when queried;
it just catches up on the log in the background
wind raptor
Ahh
vocal basin
I need to go too
smoky delta
thoughts??
gonna do 3 modes, simple, complex and off
simple takes the first letters color and highlights the whole line with it, complex is laggy but does it character by character, and off is common sense
complex is gonna be difficult to optimize
Maybe when scrolling I use simple but when stop scrolling it switches to complex
That could be the fix
chilly wolf
Idea: A NN that scrapes the web and trains on IMDb and then you input your favorite genres and it will suggest movies for you to watch
chilly wolf
I'm at work
normal geyser
oh
chilly wolf
Anyhow
normal geyser
@faint raven i have decided to not sleep. π hop on vc
whole bear
how do I write code like this?
somber heath
Yahoy.
Who says we have to be working on anything?
They sometimes come here to work on things.
They often don't.
@pulsar pelicanπ
Well they are comfortable.
Howdy.
@wintry osprey
Is it, though?
Is it really?
Well, that's a good thing.
"Felt cute. Might program later. IDK."
pulsar pelican
tacit crane
hi
somber heath
Gentlemen.
Today there was a kangaroo.
Also, it reached 40c.
But not before it rained.
It was okay inside.
Ish.
40 is doable.
Much above that and it starts to get into nope territory.
"Trading" up to a bigger spaceship.
French? In Canada?
At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country?
Into barrels and off to a reclamation factory, maybe.
"You hung the toilet roll under instead of over! THIS ENGAGEMENT IS OFF!"
Hi hi.
peak depot
somber heath
