voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

without /

[vocal basin]

it asks to install python3-venv

[upbeat bobcat]

I have to activate it?

[vocal basin]

sudo apt install python3.10-venv

as for activation, yes

source .venv/bin/activate if I remember correctly

[upbeat bobcat]

Yes I did that

[vocal basin]

(it should show that upon successful creation)

[upbeat bobcat]

Thanks

[upbeat bobcat]

What I should select?

[vocal basin]

I don't know how to configure WSL-provided python in VSC

[upbeat bobcat]

Okay.

[winter token]

@worldly robin

[worldly robin]

?

[winter token]

i had some questions

https://youtu.be/6DxUvfTXupQ?si=KqMHNa5iFIdF1SI2

how did this guy fake this

did he replicate the whole website

[worldly robin]

You can ask here .Somebody will reply. Just ask, explain, while in voice chat.

[winter token]

ty

[gentle flint]

why are you posting links to scammy videos

on the very day you have joined

[vocal basin]

#voice-chat-text-0 message ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winter token]

i am not promoting

i just want to know

how he fakes that

[winter token]

;-;

[junior vigil]

thanks

oh wait

i

need

to

send

more

messsages

hol up

gang

[somber heath]

@brisk acorn 👋

[brisk acorn]

i don't have voice perms yet

hello

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[somber heath]

@river geyser 👋

[brisk acorn]

i have sent less than 50 messages

but after that i get perms i think

can i see how messages i need to fulfill it

[upbeat bobcat]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[brisk acorn]

yeah i found it

i need like 33 more messages i think

i think i could reach that

in like an hour

yes

how long have you been programming in python for

whats your primary occupation

yeah i agree

thats fine

do you know any other languages (coding)

haha i get you

do you play any games

felt

yeah i feel like many games nowadays lack to entertain the user

the past few games that i've liked were indie

[vocal basin]

which game?

[brisk acorn]

looks really cool

ill add it to my wishlist

[vocal basin]

first time seeing this one

[brisk acorn]

cuzits about theplague

[vocal basin]

not publicly available

[brisk acorn]

looks very high quality 4k

[vocal basin]

game engine was by a different studio seems like

[brisk acorn]

its french

[vocal basin]

and that original studio got defunct

[brisk acorn]

by Asobo

[quartz beacon]

hi

lost my mic

[brisk acorn]

the same studio made the new microsoft flight simulator which is pretty interesting'

[vocal basin]

(Kalisto Entertainment)

[brisk acorn]

yeah but the studio behind it

[vocal basin]

and Asobo Studio bought many things from Kalisto Entertainment

many being at least two

a game and an engine

[brisk acorn]

cool

@quartz beacon did you see the guy who made a rechargable battery pack from the lithium-ion batteries of disposable vapes

its really good tech

that is crazy work

[vocal basin]

this reminds me of a certain research into how type-c-charged laptops interact when they connect them together

[brisk acorn]

consult an interior design for that

[brisk acorn]

lol in highschool people used to siphon battery from eachothers laptops

with type c chords

[vocal basin]

in tweets by @m_ou_se

I accidentally found that, not through her tweeter

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34439112

Later in the conversation someone links to a Twitter exchange which I found quite interesting:

(@ m_ou_se) I just tried to charge my phone by connecting it to my laptop (with USB-C), but instead of my phone, my laptop started getting charged, quickly draining my phone's battery. Uh, what.

(@ Gankra_) in case you aren't familiar: there was a semantic function of asymmetric usb cables that symmetric usb-C has broken. to "fix" this, each device picks a number for how subby it is, and the less subby one is the dom and charges the sub. these numbers can be surprising.

(@ m_ou_se) After some experimenting, I concluded that Dell laptops are the most powerful USB-C PD doms followed by ThinkPads, while phones and MacBooks are (equally) subby. Connecting phones and MacBooks with each other results in a switch fight.

the wording is peculiar

last sentence also

[vocal basin]

I was looking up how usb c charging for laptops works, and then just noticed:
oh, right, that's the author of this book
https://marabos.nl/atomics/

also:
four Blåhaj, including a red one
https://youtu.be/DnYQKWs_7EA

[brisk acorn]

@vocal basin have you heard of nerdforge

[vocal basin]

I don't think so

[brisk acorn]

its not really centered on electronics but more like engineering overall

its a yt channel

this is my 50th message

[vocal basin]

(messages in #bot-commands don't count)

what a protest

they're clearly a postmodernist

[vocal basin]

I gave up on doing anything instrumental 7 years ago

only vocals since then

[brisk acorn]

what songs

[vocal basin]

the only song ever released with my voice in it is featured on album which is, quote, punk rock/nu metal/alternative rock

but that's quite an assumption to think we actually know what genre of music we do

[empty herald]

hello guys whats mean this in python

parser.add_argument('-ri', '--reverseip',
type=str, help='reverse ip lookup',
metavar='IP')

[tepid jackal]

Whats up @stark river

[warped anvil]

@stark river

[sharp flare]

!rank

[wise cargo]

Pythonic way of iterating over ordered collections

Beginners often iterate over range(len(...)) because they look like Java or C-style loops, but this is almost always a bad practice in Python.

for i in range(len(my_list)):
    do_something(my_list[i])

It's much simpler to iterate over the list (or other sequence) directly:

for item in my_list:
    do_something(item)

Python has other solutions for cases when the index itself might be needed. To get the element at the same index from two or more lists, use zip. To get both the index and the element at that index, use enumerate.

[sharp flare]

/rank

@stark river how do I see how much messgaes I sent?

[stark river]

dont know

check #bot-commands

[somber heath]

@slender flame 👋

@slender remnant Twisted

[somber heath]

@mossy moon 👋

[mossy moon]

yo

[somber heath]

!guilds

[wise cargo]

Communities

The communities page on our website contains a number of communities we have partnered with as well as a curated list of other communities relating to programming and technology.

[twin python]

i am facing some isssues with java script in my vs code it states sh not found tried reinstally jdk and node js still didn't work

[twin python]

🫃

[upper basin]

Copilot being lazy.

[oak kelp]

good morning guys

[somber heath]

@thick hinge 👋

[thick hinge]

hello

what's your favourite pancakes toppings?

[peak depot]

everyone is robot

[whole bear]

LOL

[pulsar tundra]

lol

[lavish rover]

@edgy oasis hi

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

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[lavish rover]

if you want help with something you can look at #1035199133436354600 or ask in chat here

[stark river]

i am trying to create an expense tracker app but instead of using a conventional db i am using the browser's db (indexedDB). i dont need help but this is just brainstorming.. there can be no "server side validation" can there? since the whole app is browser only...

[lavish rover]

You can't do server side validation if there is no server side 🤷‍♀️

[stark river]

i see. can there be workarounds like using service workers for the data validation? like i said this is just brainstorming..

[lavish rover]

why do you need a service worker? Why not just validate the data in the normal app?

server-side validation is generally to make sure a malicious client doesn't send intentionally bad data to a server to corrupt the data there. If it's a client side application only then this isn't a concern...

[merry cargo]

can someone help me with coding im new where do i start help please

[stark river]

i've heard devs say never trust the client

[merry cargo]

@stark river check dms bro

[lavish rover]

but it's a client side only application? what's there to trust?

nobody is there to even trust the application

[merry cargo]

im new to coding like can someone teach me the basics or send me a link please

[stark river]

indexedDB is a kv pair db. at the least i wouldn't want wrong data types to be stored in the fields, making for a more robust application. the app will query the db data later on, to make a few viz e.g. monthly expense on a certain product etc.

[lavish rover]

you can add normal validation to the code, but you can't stop a sufficiently motivated person from breaking your client side application since you're literally giving them all the code to run on their machine. that's what server-side validation aims to protect

in human terms:
if someone (client side) is telling you something (server side), you want to make sure what they are saying is true before you believe it.

if someone is thinking something to themself (client-side only application), there's nothing you can really do, they are free to think what they want

[vocal basin]

@wind raptor I have arrived at the conclusion that I need doubly linked lists in Rust despite how hard that might be
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/main/src/collections/linked_slab.rs

for now emulated using slab and indices

but I'm planning to add pointer-based ones

[pulsar tundra]

Can you guys help me ?

I have a question

[vocal basin]

it's actually going to be 8 doubly linked lists sharing nodes

[wind raptor]

Why do you need a doubly linked list in rust? Don't they just recommend vectors

[vocal basin]

I'm not making a deque

[pulsar tundra]

What is a virtual environment and how to work with it

I am a beginner sorry

yes

[vocal basin]

popping from the middle is inefficient

[pulsar tundra]

yes

thank you

[vocal basin]

so you end up with holes instead

that you need to compact from time to time

I know how to do that, and that's what CCMS uses

[vocal basin]

insertion-order-preserving dict like in Python

https://docs.rs/linked-hash-map

one more thing

[pulsar tundra]

informative sounds good

[vocal basin]

I need allocation per item

for fixed memory location

see Pin for why

I want to remove Unpin requirement from items

if you look into futures crate, there's a lot of linked lists inside actually

[vocal basin]

although it can actually be chunked

and probably should be

but

that thing is going to be at least 16 pointers in size not counting the item

that's around the size of a cache line

I should read through this
https://www.1024cores.net/home/lock-free-algorithms/queues/intrusive-mpsc-node-based-queue

[pulsar tundra]

@wind raptor Can you help me please with another matter?

[vocal basin]

what a funny cut-off

[vocal basin]

it might be even bigger if I decide to cache-pad everything

so at that point there is no real gain from putting many of them in a single allocation

each item is a stream, which is expected to go through megabytes of data per second, so having extra kb per each stream isn't that much

[pulsar tundra]

So I have experience in programming in c++ and also c#,I know the basics of programming and also a pretty good amount of information about OOP.I would like to learn more about Python .Do you have any suggestions on where I should look to make my learning experience better?

[vocal basin]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

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[vocal basin]

meeting time at work woohoo

brb

[wind raptor]

You got this

[pulsar tundra]

oh

thanks

[upper basin]

If you're just getting started, MIT OCW's 6.0001, 6.0002, and Harvard's CS50 are really good.

OCW is a gold mine if you put in the time.

Ohh, and educative is also really good. I am learning c there.

[pulsar tundra]

I know data structures , fundamental algorithms and also some oop

[pulsar tundra]

thanks

[upper basin]

Pleasure.

[pulsar tundra]

@wind raptor thank you also

[wind raptor]

!paste

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Pasting large amounts of code

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[lime fractal]

e

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ZMWA

.bat

[upper basin]

!rule 5

[wise cargo]

Rules

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[upper basin]

I'd move on. A moderator has warned you now.

Just move on from this discussion.

[vocal basin]

I'm back

imo there should be two separate requirements.txt things

one, from pip freeze, like a lockfile

another manually written one

[upper basin]

pip install -r requirements.txt

[upper basin]

Like a yaml?

[vocal basin]

requirements.txt is for programs

not libraries

normally

for libraries, you need for tests

[upper basin]

Libraries can use other libraries right?

[vocal basin]

yes, but you don't write deps in requirements.txt in that case

[upper basin]

Wouldn't you need/benefit from a requirements.txt?

[vocal basin]

no

[upper basin]

How so?

[vocal basin]

it should be in pyproject.toml

[upper basin]

OHH

Ok, I have both, so I guess I don't know the difference.

[wind lake]

this is interesting to watch, I am a beginner but intrigued by this xd

[vocal basin]

requirements.txt isn't automatically invoked when installing the library

[upper basin]

Wait, I think I get it.

So, you would use a pyproject.toml for libraries (aka code you install to develop with), and requirements.txt for programs you will use as is?

You're right, pyproject.toml makes more practical sense for libraries.

[vocal basin]

I also sometimes split requirements.txt into parts for better Dockerfile use

[wind raptor]

I've never thought to do this before. Thanks for the idea.

[vocal basin]

frequently changing deps in a separate file

[jovial iris]

@heavy birch here

[heavy birch]

cool

[jovial iris]

@upper basin what's your ram usage with that many tabs in edge ?

[vocal basin]

on my new server I don't even have a GPU

[primal shadow]

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/231803/intel-processor-n100-6m-cache-up-to-3-40-ghz.html

[vocal basin]

not even integrated

I'm confused

[primal shadow]

@lime fractal

[vocal basin]

why the fuck is this enabled by default

[wind lake]

what is that...

[lime fractal]

Food

[primal shadow]

What was smoking?

[upper basin]

34 teams
902 submissions

How?

[willow light]

someone hit submit every time they hit ctrl+s?

@upper basin since we can see your dms, freecodecamp is good. especially their devdocs tool

[wind lake]

Nice ty for that

[upper basin]

I know. I haven't tried freecodecamp, didn't say it was bad.

[wind lake]

I know the pain of one monitor xD

[lime fractal]

What is that

[wind lake]

got a 360hz 1440p one on main and a 240hz 1080p sat collecting dust xd

oh damn nice game

[upper basin]

It's lousy I know hehe, you are too kind.

It's very easy to make, I made that in 30 mins. You just take images as sprites (game objects as pictures), and then define actions for them.

And then you define rules for collisions.

That's it for the basics. Then you can work on making maps, a story, something that progresses beyond a 2D map hehe.

[wind lake]

I made like a physics based game on unity back a few years ago but kind of forgot most of my knowledge for anything 😅

[fair knot]

does anybody know ursena or ursina engine??

[wind raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ0-OtVpF0wOKEqT2Z1HEtA @lime fractal

[wind lake]

and a few websites for friends minecraft servers but thats abt the extent to what I did

[upper basin]

Awesome.

[willow light]

enjoy my cursed layout

[upper basin]

Good that you know it's cursed.

[willow light]

but it works for my purposes

[wind lake]

that hurts my eyes haha

I thought it was ants eyes with mandibles lmfao

[upper basin]

I am sure, piloting a space ship is hard.

[willow light]

and my programming style

[upper basin]

Matrix style?

[upper basin]

Hehe

I think yall would enjoy this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD9XElTpCE

[willow light]

limited keys means I have to get creative with macros, tapping vs holding, and keys that I don't use as often.

[upper basin]

He's a celebrity at this point.

[upper basin]

I see. You got to use multiple keys for short-cuts. Kinda like Naruto.

Kish kish kish, summoning jutsu.

@primal shadow my condolences.

[willow light]

I mean I have three keys left, one of them will probably be bound to opening lazygit

[upper basin]

PvP games are too stressful, I just want to pwn AIs whilst I am faster and smarter than they are.

[willow light]

Or I can just disable them entirely

[upper basin]

Just paint over them with Naruto hand signs, and embrace the shinobi side.

[willow light]

Nah, I'll just get blank keycaps and then ask the IT department to help me with a keyboard issue

[upper basin]

I am trying to type the letter T, which hand sign is that?

[willow light]

or, since I touch type, change the keycaps to use dvorak just to screw with people

[upper basin]

*Accidentally summons HR

[willow light]

specifically the people who peck type

[upper basin]

!rule 5 goddamit.

[wise cargo]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[upper basin]

Normal stuff.

Are you interested in milsim and military stuff? There's servers for those.

This is the python server.

python the programming language, not python the JTF.

@vocal basin should I delete my requirements.txt and just keep my pyproject.toml?

[vocal basin]

brb; call

[upper basin]

Oh my bad.

[vocal basin]

back

a call to just explain that "user" is a username and "manager" is another username not a password for the user

[vocal basin]

do you run the project? do you have tests? do you have examples?

[upper basin]

I have tests yes. I have examples (notebooks using the package).

[vocal basin]

then keep requirements.txt

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2023/08/29/committing-lockfiles.html

[upper basin]

I added you to the repo, you can also have a look if you like.

[vocal basin]

and in that case requirements.txt is supposed to be from pip freeze

also https://docs.astral.sh/uv/pip/compile/

[upper basin]

How

Shouldn' it be 2 2?

[upper basin]

I'll check it out, thank you!

[upper basin]

Oh, nevermind. Crossed bomb means wrong flagging.

[vocal basin]

left above 2 empty provably

[primal shadow]

https://youtu.be/IltMIJeK-1M?t=115

[upper basin]

Yeah.

[lime fractal]

tinkercad

[upper basin]

Ngl, this is getting annoying.

Mute yourself, please.

I am going to just mute him.

[stuck furnace]

Hey

👀

Not bad

You?

I've come down with a cold and now have to convince myself it's worthwhile going to the gym today

Ah yeah

I'm just really trying not to pass it on to a family member who's going on vacation in a couple of days 😄

Other than that, it's fine

[twilit comet]

if you are using laptop , look at CPU, its either HS HX

i think normal U G H arent overclock able

[stuck furnace]

@lime fractal is Krisp available on your system?

If so, please turn it on.

[twilit comet]

are their any python libary , which auto run my code in different thread ?

[stuck furnace]

Can you give an example of what you mean? and the intended application?

[twilit comet]

awww i mean you know if am doing , search on CSV like 1 million , can i auto like divide my task in thred rather then like using normal threding

is their software which every youtuber use , cinebench

[stuck furnace]

Is this an application where you need low latency? A 1 million row CSV doesn't seem large enough to require subdividing.

[twilit comet]

i am try to experiment , 😄

[stuck furnace]

Oh right

[twilit comet]

so any libary in mind ?

[stuck furnace]

For very large data sets (too large to fit in memory) there are special tools like Apache Spark.

In python a relatively simple way to split a task up is to use the concurrent.futures module in the standard library.

https://docs.python.org/3/library/concurrent.futures.html

[rugged root]

I keep forgetting those are a thing

[stuck furnace]

But until Python removes the GIL, you won't get any practical speed up for CPU-bound tasks using a ThreadPoolExecutor, and ProcessPollExecutor probably has too much overhead to be worthwhile for most applications.

Thread pool executors are still worthwhile for IO-bound tasks, like making lots of web requests. IO-bound means the program spends a lot of time waiting around on input/output. CPU-bound means that the limiting factor is processing time on the CPU.

[gentle flint]

so instead you're going to pass it on to gym members?

why not exercise at home for a day
save the gym members from colds and yourself from suffering

[stuck furnace]

Fair, although I think I'm not very contagious (no cough/sneezing), and I'll avoid doing cardio and wipe down the machines 😄

I already skipped the gym last week. I'm withering away 😦

[gentle flint]

alas, you poor ethereal wisp

[whole bear]

@undone inlet Can you touch type?

[undone inlet]

Why?

[latent frost]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[south temple]

🥔

that emoji does not look good

[whole bear]

hello

Ahh i cant talk

my microfone is supressed

XD

im studyind for my OO test

its kinda difficult

for me

Lmao

I'm making classes with @property method and

setters

i just do it on java but in python its so weird

so, in the python we dont have the private atributes

cuz in the java (intelj) its all automaticly

in python u need to do it by yourself

asdfgh

i'm gonna explode

i wanna study java

not python

but i need it

i know, but in java i can do my minecraft mod XD

really?

i'm a spongebob chicken

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-mocking-gif-15817237996465785395

i'm brazilian, so sorry for my bad english

i cant have a normal comunication whitout missing the grammar

[bleak copper]

https://github.com/Fluxyn/PyModMC

[whole bear]

holy crap

thx man

[bleak copper]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/pycraft-python

[whole bear]

i didnt know that was a library for mincraft modding in python

thxx

ill save it

[bleak copper]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/search?class=mc-mods&page=1&pageSize=20&search=python&sortType=1

[whole bear]

ok, i really apreciate this bro

THX

LOL

I used to have a bias against Python because of its syntax.

true

sometimes i get TLE when i was doing the competitions of programmation

[bleak copper]

TLE?

[whole bear]

time limit exceeded

like in beecrowd

on exercises

when the programm take to long to responde

respond*

yeh, but the real problem is when u run the for within other for statement

yep

Do you know how I can create a Python program that works as a controller and changes the LEDs on an RGB keyboard?

hi

the I've already tried using the SDK, but the company doesn't make it available

[fossil thicket]

say that again?

something about my keyboard'sdriver?

[whole bear]

I tried reverse engineering, but I have no idea where to start

its to complex

[fossil thicket]

oh wait nevermind my bad

pepino u would want something like a raspberry pi

[whole bear]

yeh, but here in brazil, thats so expansive

with the taxes

real

1 dollar = 5 reais

but here, we have so much taxes due to the government

i gotta go

C U @bleak copper

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-crawling-eat-open-mouth-gif-17725259

fighters in chat

[whole bear]

your baseball commentary is great

you're doing gr8

[whole bear]

@weary sail what's your web security question?

[lapis rock]

This wouldn't happen to be Sheldon from the Big bang theory? 😂😂😂😂

[whole bear]

what made you come here for that

lol

i don't know shit so

haha

awesome

what's a django cookie cutter

ill just google it

i see

i like to learn about the problem i have at hand

so probably concept by concept

30 dollars

idk man

i guess it depends on the concept

do you have a website?

[bleak copper]

conceptual.fyi

[whole bear]

pretty cool

maybe derek can attack it !

the xss god

yeah im full of good ideas

what's the tech stack

[somber heath]

Hey hi, all.

[upper basin]

He needs to say hell yeah.

[somber heath]

Everyone squeeze the Hemlock.

Squeaky noises.

https://tenor.com/view/artc-andrew-yr-i-xsri-chicken-nuggets-horn-gif-21065121

[noble solstice]

Hello Guys!!

[somber heath]

The echidna came by, today.

It's that so they can reuse the phone?

[rugged root]

Of course, gotta call the vendor

Haaaaate

The support guy sounds like he has a mouth full of marbles

It's so hard to make out what he's saying

[somber heath]

@frail python 👋

[whole bear]

@cedar mason which criminals have you stopped

[rugged root]

Oh god, is there an ethical hacking conversation happening?

[somber heath]

@solar swift 👋

[rugged root]

And here I am stuck on a call with support

[somber heath]

The topic has moved on.

[upper basin]

Now we're talking about dealing in arms.

[rugged root]

Noice

[whole bear]

damn i missed it

[upper basin]

Screenshot it!

[rugged root]

Left or right?

[upper basin]

Hemlock supports dealing arms.

Heheh

[rugged root]

Oh oh oh oh oh oh, have you folks seen Balatro?

They recently had their mobile release

[upper basin]

It's a card game?

[rugged root]

Deck building. You try to go through various rounds by building poker hands. You get other cards to make the hands worth more points, added effects, etc.

It's great

[solar swift]

hi!

[upper basin]

"I want something accurate, robust."

[whole bear]

PCP?

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/robust-precise-john-wick2somellier-shopping-gun-gif-23490367

[whole bear]

what

[gentle flint]

that's a lot of ohs

[whole bear]

what the fuck am i hearing

[whole bear]

cute doggo

pew pew

[upper basin]

I'd like to be a gunsmith in a game like COD hehe.

Just players coming in, saying what they want, and I'd make a gun for them.

"Whadaya buyin stranger?"

[whole bear]

how much did that cost to make and what'd you sell it for

[rugged root]

Because the game is that good.

[whole bear]

lmao

what the fuck

that sounds fun

[dry jasper]

Having a rifle and work on it is actually alot of fun

[whole bear]

I don't see any point to hiding who I am since I have nothing to hide.

carrier pigeons!

that's a good thing

i feed off my phone's IR like a plant feeds off the sun

@cedar mason let's talk more about your dark net contacts

@cedar mason Bro could you help me with touch typing?

my hand are super tired learning touch typing

[cedar mason]

I'll just respond in chat bc i don't wanna talk overxd

[cedar mason]

sup

[whole bear]

Okay np

[cedar mason]

Let's go :p

[cedar mason]

Maybe

[whole bear]

Oh

i just wanted to hear what you had to say about them

im not interested in meeting them

[cedar mason]

I don't have dark net contacts XD

Just lots of shady people irl XD

[whole bear]

like who

[cedar mason]

Who? XD

[whole bear]

My random method enables me to type 70 wpm but it is very in efficient

So I decided to learn the method to use all fingers

[cedar mason]

I don't know how to answer that lmao

[whole bear]

lolol

[whole bear]

And it made me forget my previous method and now I'm stuck at 25 wpm

[cedar mason]

And...
Touch typing? i assume you refer to some kind of linux with a touch pad LED screen?

[whole bear]

No

By touch typing I mean ability to type using all finger without looking

[cedar mason]

Oh lol

[whole bear]

keyboard

[cedar mason]

Unrelated XD

i see

Well idk anything about theory etc.

I remember a few classes as a child but my keyboard is basically a body part extension so i just do it as second nature

[whole bear]

can anyone help me with my python calculator app

[cedar mason]

Maybe

xd

[whole bear]

can i have your github

i need to see if you've written a calculator app

[cedar mason]

Don't have 😄

[whole bear]

do you self-host one?

git, i mean

[cedar mason]

A github or a calculator? XD

[cedar mason]

Eh nope xd

[whole bear]

xd

[cedar mason]

Idk if u heard the talk a min ago but as i said i'm basically a ghost XD

[whole bear]

cool

[whole bear]

okay

[cedar mason]

What's ur question lol

idk if there is a learning curve to blind typing

maybe if i have a manderin keyboard

😄

[whole bear]

How can I improve my typing?

I mean I have reduced to just 25 wpm now

[cedar mason]

I don't think i can help you with that.
I mean i can type blind & fast but i never really gave it thought

[cedar mason]

Do you use qwerty?

Or Azerty

[whole bear]

QWERTY

[cedar mason]

I mean i could give u some basic tips

the 'f" and "j" have a mini button that gives indicators of the location

[whole bear]

Yes

[cedar mason]

qwerty is always gonna be on the second highest postion and unless you use f keys you probably will be hands on the letter keys most times

Helps? 😄

Let me know

[whole bear]

Yes

[cedar mason]

idk what else to say.
I mean that's basically the only things i need to type fatt

fast*

[whole bear]

Got it

Thankyou mate

[cedar mason]

With pleasure

[cursive gust]

How to learn python without learning

[midnight birch]

``Select F.title
From inventory I
Left Join film F
On F.film_id = I.film_id
group by I.film_id
having count(F.title) =
( SELECT MIN(count_film_id) FROM
( SELECT COUNT(film_id) AS count_film_id
FROM inventory
GROUP BY film_id )
AS temp_table );

[supple cove]

<rant> the problem with good automatic moderation is that it makes it impossible to discuss moderation. If you're not allowed to say frick, you can't talk about people who said frick! </rant>

[pliant fulcrum]

can someone help me install requirements every time im trying to install it im getting an error

[stark river]

you need to create a virtual environment venv https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-setup-virtual-environments-in-python/

[brazen robin]

hello

[solar jewel]

hey

[lime fractal]

Any1 vc

[naive elk]

hi

hru

im alright how r u

HOW ARE YOU

how do you not know what "hru" means

it means how are you

english?

💀

are you okay you seem out of breath

living the dream

well,

its sarcasm

what r u doing on python

cold

thats a lot of emails

from who 😭

no

dont

hes trying to get u to download a mod

its a virus 💀

hes getting you to download a virus

[molten pewter]

https://education.minecraft.net/en-us/resources/computer-science-subject-kit/python-101

[earnest apex]

momo nor

or nor

lol yes

LOOOl

my cats name momo

and nor like Zorro Norro

put em together

I didnt not know

send me link

lol

wow

[molten pewter]

https://www.facebook.com/momo.nor.5/?_rdr

[earnest apex]

im a walking offence

why are you magical girl

and t-isIdori

tis I

like old english

oh

i never heard the name

wow

so i am verified but still cant unmute lol

[vocal basin]

reconnect

[earnest apex]

it worked

[vocal basin]

woohoo

time to remove assert safety rails from the code

"removing code is always fun"

VBA

(the Visual something in MS Office)

I don't use AI for code assistance

for me it's still just a toy

even "it can give you some hints, paths to potentially follow" hasn't been the case once for me

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vocal basin]

!kindling

[wise cargo]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vocal basin]

I'm working with Rust mostly, in the last two years

infrastructure and web

[molten pewter]

https://www.pythondiscord.com/

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Master_of_Science_(MS)%2C_Computer_Science_(CS)/Salary

https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/

[vocal basin]

(I was solving these)
https://leetcode.com/problemset/?topicSlugs=doubly-linked-list

eh

"just get good at one language" is a very cringe suggestion

[wintry osprey]

"I can hello world 100 languages"

[vocal basin]

I'm deeply convinced focusing on learning only a single language for several years will lead you to worse knowledge of that language

(you will have to interact with other languages anyway)

if you go 99% Python it will yield worse knowledge of Python than 95% Python

working with CPython => you will eventually run into C, and that experience won't be fun

[earnest apex]

in 273736 years
eventfd(0,EFD_CLOEXEC|EFD_NONBLOCK)

what is this?

Alisa

[vocal basin]

latter often includes -L and -I

[earnest apex]

what you waiting for

[vocal basin]

first is the highest timestamp I was able to display there

whether it shows as "in 273736 years" or "invalid date" seems to bepend on the timezone

eventfd(0,EFD_CLOEXEC|EFD_NONBLOCK) is how an event file descriptor is created

which is used for in-process asynchronous communication

[earnest apex]

hmm i see

I was wondering why the random date in the future

[wintry osprey]

Information Technology sounds so cool tho...

[vocal basin]

IT in NA and non-NA has somewhat different meaning

IT in Eastern Europe is commonly used as a synonym to Computer Science

[vocal basin]

in NA it's kind of IT Support rather than just IT

[wintry osprey]

Righttt

In philosophy, IT refers to computers

[molten pewter]

https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/?type=book

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

https://www.edx.org/learn/data-science/harvard-university-introduction-to-data-science-with-python

[vocal basin]

https://hub.docker.com/r/jupyterhub/jupyterhub/

VSCode has .ipynb support

@molten pewter jupyterlab might be slightly better since it shows the file explorer and where files are and whatever

ed -- not even code itself is distracting you since you can't really see it

[vocal basin]

getting this set up is non-trivial

[earnest apex]

what does IDE mean?

[vocal basin]

things I do to make it work:

• install jupyterlab
• install notebook
• install git
• install jupyterlab-git
• install numpy
• install scipy
• install matplotlib
• install tslab
• install gcc
• install rust
• install evcxr_jupyter
• install build-essential
• ln -s /bin/gcc /bin/cc
• install black[jupyter]
• install typing-extensions
• custom jupyterhub_config.py
• mount /etc
• mount /home
• mount /srv/jupyterhub

with TS and Rust addons, which is where the main fun is

I should also add C half-interpreter-half-compiler

[merry cargo]

.

[vocal basin]

Cling

amazing

@molten pewter discord bots are okay, self-bots aren't

the questionable part is when it's through a user account

ohno

"there is exactly one reason to watch primeagen:
watch him react to an actual bad article and reinforce your negative opinions on the subject"

@molten pewter t3.gg?

theo, another youtuber

I watch videos like that just because I prefer listening

I'm not really thinking I'm learning from that for a single moment

like there's some rare "I didn't know that, and this might be useful" stuff but that's not really something I'd call learning

for example, the thing about how <div/> is wrong

just the entertainment of watching primeagen realise that it actually is wrong in HTML

[lavish rover]

tsoding

andreas kling

[vocal basin]

the trip to not-so-sane-land has been planned
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/issues/13

[pliant fulcrum]

can you help me?

[vocal basin]

I'm rewriting some stuff to use more doubly linked lists
in Rust

[vocal basin]

use a venv

[pliant fulcrum]

still doesnt work

[vocal basin]

activate the venv

[pliant fulcrum]

i did

[vocal basin]

what does where python3 show?

[vocal basin]

in the current terminal session?

[pliant fulcrum]

yeah

[pliant fulcrum]

let me check

[vocal basin]

there seems to be no (venv) prefix in there

doesn't look activated

[pliant fulcrum]

its an old pic

i had a venv prefix and it still didnt workde

[vocal basin]

what error did it show that time?

[pliant fulcrum]

same

[vocal basin]

presently, it's 7 doubly-linked lists sharing nodes with each other layered on top of a slab::Slab

it's going to be 8 once the Slab is gone

[vocal basin]

that exact error cannot be shown with venv properly activated

[true elm]

thanks for letting me know @molten pewter

[vocal basin]

once you activate the venv again, make sure pip3 and python3 are pointing to inside the venv

if only python3 is correctly overriden, then use python3 -m pip instead of pip3

[pliant fulcrum]

i wanna start with coding can you tell me where i can learn it

[vocal basin]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vocal basin]

this is what I started with
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html
but it might be a bit hard to follow since it's non-interactive

[pliant fulcrum]

damn

[vocal basin]

for video tutorials, Corey Schafer's content is often recommended

[pliant fulcrum]

How long did it take you to learn Python coding?

[vocal basin]

(up to what level?)

there isn't really a point at which learning can be considered "completed", it's a very long and continuous process

[pliant fulcrum]

up to the level where the codes started to work

[vocal basin]

I started using Python in September 2017;
first project for use by other people I started in January 2018

so a gap of 4.5 months of only learning and experimentation

in parallel to that, I was using C# (started a week before Python)

[pliant fulcrum]

what type of projects are you coding?

[vocal basin]

recently, mostly networking- and system-related, and some amount of web dev

[vocal basin]

one of recent useful-ish things that I published
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/main/src/multicast/bufferless_slab.rs

[pliant fulcrum]

what can i do with ruchei?

[wise loom]

after you use venv and activate the environment, pip should work out of the box no errors.
if it does give you errors, you may use --break-system-packages but again, shouldn't be necessary.

[vocal basin]

one of the things I use ruchei::multicast for is to sync state between multiple tabs in a game I made

[wise loom]

does @pliant fulcrum know Rust?

[vocal basin]

I'd expect not

[pliant fulcrum]

nope

[vocal basin]

I'm planning on writing Python wrappers for some of the things there

[pliant fulcrum]

im a beginner started 3 days ago

[wise loom]

how close is Ruchei to Twisted?

[vocal basin]

twisted itself is a runtime/framework

ruchei is just a library to compose Streams together

[wise loom]

what do you think of this book list? #pedagogy message

[vocal basin]

you can potentially even use twisted to embed ruchei into Python if you pick the interfaces correctly

[vocal basin]

this one I'm doing with asyncio for now

involving some eventfds to get working

[pliant fulcrum]

seems useful

thx

[vocal basin]

or you can reimplement parts of twisted in Rust using ruchei

[pliant fulcrum]

thx for your help guys i think imma go to sleep

[vocal basin]

here is an example of how twisted shows how to make a server that sends each message it receives to each connected client
https://twisted.org/#nav-publish

[wise loom]

yup

[vocal basin]

and ruchei provides two components you can combine together to achieve a similar thing in Rust:
.multicast() and .echo() combinators

the "send a message to everyone" logic is non-trivial when you need reliability and performance

[wise loom]

does Twisted not already do what Ruchei does?

[vocal basin]

^ here, the set of connected clients is managed manually

[vocal basin]

they're kind of occupying very separate niches

[rugged root]

What're you nerds up to?

[vocal basin]

if you were to write something like ruchei in Python, you would use something like twisted as a dependency

[vocal basin]

doubly linked Rust

or rather 16-ly

I've been thinking of drawing that but then I realise I'm too lazy to do it

I should make something that auto-generates the visualisation for me

[wise loom]

but really, these days, people would just throw a Kafka in there and be done with it.
pass messages around, encrypted, fast, and in a fault-resilient way, that's what most people want.

but sure, if you want to implement protocols.. it's a different matter. although as you said ruchei is about streams.
now stream can mean many things.

ig there is room for more clarity on the use-cases where ruchei should be used

[vocal basin]

I know very well of how often Kafka is used needlessly

ruchei is something that you'd use to implement Kafka, not replace it

in the context of, for example, being limited to using only WebSocket

[wise loom]

sure, it is what it is, there are business needs, the proverbial "it has to be finished yesterday"..

[vocal basin]

at work, we're eliminating the use of RabbitMQ, because of how terrible its operational characteristics are

[wise loom]

it's hard to justify reimplementing something that already exists

[wise loom]

what does Jepsen say about RabbitMQ ?

[vocal basin]

2014

so version 3.3 I guess

and we're stuck 3.8

[wise loom]

Well.. that doesn't sound too good. I mean, your choice of message queue, Jepsen will tell you what you need to know so you can make an informed choice

[vocal basin]

unless we go full uga uga docker mode

at the cost of some disk space

eh

whatever works

likely everything will just end up inside containers as it was always supposed to be

[wise loom]

I don't see a problem with that

[vocal basin]

RabbitMQ was chosen before I joined the company, so I just kind of went along with it

on my own, I never use RabbitMQ outside Docker

[wise loom]

no reason to, amirite?

[vocal basin]

I wonder how much space RabbiqMQ takes to install onto an empty system

311

MB

[wise loom]

that's neither small nor big

[vocal basin]

docker image is 111.3 MB compressed
need to somehow find the uncompressed size

220MB

[wise loom]

i hope you find a better message queue, maybe kafka.. maybe something else

[vocal basin]

we have arrived at the conclusion we don't actually need a broker for what we're doing

we're fine with losing some messages in some conditions

the best option I see there would be ZeroMQ

[wise loom]

is ZMQ maintained?

or crossroads is the thing now?

or nanomsg?

[vocal basin]

libzmq is actively maintained and developed

any many bindings are too

zmq.rs might become functional at some point in distant future

there is another >decade old tech that should be used more often:
TIPC

it's been in the kernel since 2006

[wise loom]

I've watched some Rust devs get grilled aggressively by Kernel filesystems ppl

[vocal basin]

that's just typical Linux dev situation

[wise loom]

you've probably seen that notorious conference where the conflict happened

[vocal basin]

nothing special about Rust there, as far as I've heard

[wise loom]

well yeah but it normally happens on mailing lists, not IRL, grilling someone on-stage.

[wise loom]

there is something special, not sure if it's about Rust, it's once again a reconfirmation that the social side trumps everything
and any technical argument takes the backseat..

but if I remember correctly, the C guys were very concerned about Rust carrying too much semantics in short amounts of code

[vocal basin]

nanomsg is a differently-featured alternative, not a replacement

[wise loom]

yeah, variations on variations.

[vocal basin]

https://mongoose.ws/documentation/

[wise loom]

that's cool but.. unless i was writing a game server idk if i'd use it

actually not even then

it's very hard to justify low-level libs these days i feel, when so much is available

[vocal basin]

C is still the best for universal interfaces that other languages can bind to

practically, the only one with a stable ABI

[wise loom]

sure, but that's not the reason why it's chosen. i think the reason ppl choose C is because it doesn't do syntax sugar or magic stuff.
it's blunt. and people need it to be blunt so they don't second-guess themselves when they're chasing a bug.

[vocal basin]

for simplicity there are also Go and Zig

[wise loom]

of those two only Zig is in the same area as C, from the podcasts I've listened to and very few posts I've read
they say Zig is the actual contender for a C replacement, but somehow Rust won in that area, idk how why 🤷‍♂️

[vocal basin]

C's magic is in pre-processor macros,
Go's magic is in interfaces (and I think it also does provide some level of reflection),
Zig's magic is in reflection-adjacent comptime stuff

and then there's Rust which does all of that, and more, but with less footguns on average

[wise loom]

C's macros are very very basic magic tho
it's nowhere near C++'s template metaprogramming, which is the gold standard for over-the-top magic

[vocal basin]

and very easy to get catastrophically wrong

C++'s templates allow for specialisation and overloading

which is the cursed part

[wise loom]

so you agree if one uses Rust's advanced features, they can easily mess up

[vocal basin]

I was talking about C

Rust's macros are way, way harder to get wrong

Rust's generics, while very similar to C++ templates, contain complexity instead of multiplying it

[wise loom]

I mean the easy solution is to avoid macros in the first place.

in fact, the NASA coding standards are just a big list of "Do not use feature [...]"

[vocal basin]

most of Rust macro invocation happens in #[derive(Something)]

[wise loom]

"Only use static memory, nothing dynamic"

[vocal basin]

Zig is good for that

[wise loom]

so if you restrict yourself a lot on what you're allowed to use, if something goes wrong, you can easily find what went wrong because there weren't that many possibilities

[vocal basin]

see tigerbeetle for an example of a statically allocated memory used to implement a database

[vocal basin]

that's exactly what Rust does compared to C++;
the language itself fights against layering brittle assumptions about structure and behaviour

one of the reasons why specialisation is still not a part of stable Rust

so that we don't end up with an equivalent of std::vector<bool>

[wise loom]

but part of some future versions when the Rust hipster gang will reach critical mass

[vocal basin]

C++ and Zig currently support specialisation

specialisation being special cases in generics

[wise loom]

C++ is disqualified from the very beginning. There are 20 C++ standards by now, and counting..

[vocal basin]

and that just makes an implementation of the trait Something for a type that was annotated, and anything outside the definition doesn't even need to know that the trait was derived not manually implemented

the important implied guideline there being that the trait, the interface, is as close to being "just data" as possible

[wise loom]

idk my opinion is not very informed and I haven't used these languages(Rust,Zig)

but I have used C++ and have watched as their standards are growing in size all the time

somehow Herb Sutter always wants to add new things and he can't be stopped

[vocal basin]

by now C++ is accustomed to getting things systematically wrong

[wise loom]

yes but Herb Sutter sounds very confident on-stage like he actually knows what he's talking about

[vocal basin]

lifetimes (&-&& conversion), coroutines, concepts

everything is a good thing at its core, but implemented terribly

[vocal basin]

stitches to hold it all together

[wise loom]

literally all large C++ projects use Boost instead of std so yes their standard library sucks ass

Qt is also said to be of high quality

honestly idk what Herb Sutter is doing with his time

[vocal basin]

even std::string is pain when dynamic loading is involved

because, as one might expect, there are many different std::strings

one more example of "C is best for ABI"

given C++ definitely isn't

[whole bear]

Yo long time no see how is everyone

@ivory stump Yo My ban got lifted yesterday

And I'm on a new account

[blissful vine]

any helper online? -_- i have an such a silly doubt

[vocal basin]

at least judging by the role, yes

MS Office, right?

you've logged in using your Microsoft account, right?

[wise loom]

I’ve had a look at the Microsoft Excel specification, it’s only 1000 pages long

[vocal basin]

weird that the account doesn't remember product keys

it might be reasonable to contact the support

of Microsoft

it is theoretically possible that your account was linked to outlook not gmail,
since that's what microsoft suggest to do by default

yeah, then when you contact the support, specify that email as the one you use

help channels got reorganised at some point

from multi-channel system to a forum

[empty herald]

how use python for backend in website

[vocal basin]

I worked with discord.py quite a lot

[vocal basin]

on the same account that you received the "thanks for purchase" email earlier?

depending on where you study, you might be able to use
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/education/products/office
especially if your university has its own email domain

[vocal basin]

then you just need to sign in with that account on your laptop's MS Office

yeah, that should be how it works if you have the license;
you log in and it just works as is

JetBrains give free licenses to their software (for example, PyCharm Professional and CLion) to students too
https://www.jetbrains.com/community/education/

[vocal basin]

common Windows behaviour

it sometimes just does that

[blissful vine]

pyautogui

[vocal basin]

no experience with that

[blissful vine]

turtle?

requests?

[vocal basin]

I helped others do some turtle stuff

requests I no longer use because there's httpx

requests is fine

but httpx is a bit better

I have Flask experience but I no longer use that either

for Python HTTP servers I only use async-compatible frameworks

Django, FastAPI, Quart

Quart is just an async version of Flask

there's also aiohttp, but it's hard to use productively

Russia

what is the issue?

is it charged via usb-c?

video permissions are disabled normally

[vocal basin]

do you have usb ports on the other side? if yes, does connecting the adapter to the other side cause the same issue?

it is a hardware issue at some level, but it might be influenced by some software upstack, can never be sure

red line over the mic means no permission to talk

i.e. not voice-verified

and a fully red mic means server-muted (as a moderation action)

he explicitly said many times he doesn't want a role

[blissful vine]

thankyou 🌸

[ivory stump]

Congrats

Hopefully you've learnt from the time off, time to start on a new leaf :)

[somber heath]

@sage quiver 👋

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[sage quiver]

@somber heath i am muted for some reason

ok

lol

i could still scream

lol

i have to wait 3 days

send more messages and be active for more than 10 mintues 3 times

[somber heath]

@gilded sky 👋

[sage quiver]

oh ok

are you a programmer?

lol

so mysterious

true but do you write new AI, or other programs?

have you written AI before?

ok

what is the best free resource for learning python?

[somber heath]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[sage quiver]

is free code camp good?

ok

do you feel python is a good first programming language to use?

or to learn

i have dabbled in javascript before

how did you personally learn python and how long did it take you to get proficient at the language?

you didnt use any free coding like boot camps online?

are you a full time devoloper?

oh ok

have you gotten paid for any work you have done with python?

ok

sorry for asking a personal question

ok

lol

i would love to be able to do programming in python for a living

why is that?

oh ok

so javascript would be good to learn as well?

and html and css

so what is python mainly used for?

[somber heath]

@modern axle 👋

[modern axle]

hi

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

@wraith drift 👋

[sage quiver]

good morning good morning to you!!!

[wraith drift]

hey

good morning

wyd guys

[brisk bridge]

Hi

Good morning

[sage quiver]

hello my friend

[terse rose]

ello

i lost voice perms

i did i had to focus on work and school man it was intense

left every discord server almost

WHATTT

hmmm should i bother him yet again tho?

yea

i dont like to bother mods when they arent online like lol

or in the server i mean

but guess what guys

I GOT MY FULL TIME JOB OFFER YESTERDAY

like full full time

ima salaried boi now