voice-chat-text-0

[rugged root]

Oh right ye

Hold on

Went ahead and gave you the probationary period

Don't make me regret it (not that I think you will, but I feel obligated to add that)

[upbeat bobcat]

Thanks

[upbeat bobcat]

I promise you won’t regret giving me this.

[whole bear]

hey $

[ocean scroll]

hey

[modern yacht]

Hello everyone

[whole bear]

crikets

crikets....

[ocean scroll]

how about create a stand for it?

so you can move it around anywhere

[rugged root]

Hello everyone in chat

[whole bear]

hey $

[rugged root]

Sorry, reading crap tons of emails and stuff

[ocean scroll]

or get a chair or stool in front of you then put the tissue on top

[cold fulcrum]

Hello

[upper basin]

I'm back.

[gentle flint]

the view behind my apartment block

[upper basin]

I would just hop the fence and start running at the cows.

"It says moo or it gets the hose again!!!"

[peak depot]

https://youtu.be/ieLPn0gdpEU?si=LMukXWUYHbu8BsXh

[cold fulcrum]

Am I dumb or does Milien sound like lewitt

[rugged root]

Who?

[cold fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYjwUflydI

[upper basin]

Yeah, I hear it.

[cold fulcrum]

https://www.tiktok.com/@lewitt.audio/video/7415632712846920993?q=lewitt&t=1726590989498

[green kindle]

bc stuff is not working in pyqt6

[stark river]

bengan bhurta 😋

i love aubergines

[rugged root]

They're great

@vocal basin Yo

Eh, VC is more general or off-topic

Although coding does come up quite a lot

@still herald Yo

Yo

Hmm

Ah, self bot

Nice

[still herald]

I'm sleepy and I'm having a work situation, where you guys want's to talk about "rice"

[still herald]

Ik I'm just joking

[upper basin]

We call it tahchin.

Halwa is different.

Halwa is more of a desert made with flour.

[peak depot]

Isn't halwa a peanut dessert?

[stark river]

no

[upper basin]

I guess our countries are different then.

[peak depot]

Ok I remembered it wrong

[upper basin]

So, we fry flour with lots of sugar and add saffron and rosewater and it forms a brown paste.

We consume it with tea.

[upper basin]

You can make Halwa with all sorts of stuff, sth I really like is carrot halwa.

[upper basin]

This is also halwa, we call it halwa arde.

[peak depot]

Ah

I tried it couple of times, not my thing...

[stark river]

now i need to check if i have any dessert

[upper basin]

It tastes much sweeter, and has a different mouth feel (different texture, feels rougher).

[peak depot]

But to be fair, I don't like middle east or south asian style food

[upper basin]

You do, tons.

[peak depot]

It's the spices

[upper basin]

You haven't had my cooking love.

[vocal basin]

@cold fulcrum Rust

[upper basin]

We don't have many spicy dishes though.

[peak depot]

I don't like mint, anis, cinnamon, banana, coconut milk etc.

[upper basin]

Like very few of them are spicy.

[peak depot]

I don't like curry

[vocal basin]

not a Haskell fan

[peak depot]

Nor pineabble

[vital snow]

@rugged root can i talk to please

[upper basin]

We use mint alot, but it's not necessary. Cinnamon is mostly in desserts, so you'd be fine there. I don't recall a dish that uses bananas (again, just in desserts). I think only Malaysians use coconut milk in food (they use it in their rice).

[stark river]

i'm having meat and turnips rn

[rugged root]

@vital snow #voice-verification

[upper basin]

Ours is more rice and stews.

[peak depot]

I don't like sweet stuff in my salty food

[upper basin]

Yeah, I can't recall any spicy dishes from the top of my head.

[upper basin]

It helps balance the dish though.

[peak depot]

Also I have issues with eating so veeery picky

[stark river]

depends on the maker. it can be made to be spicier

[vital snow]

ah i got ya it will be awhile 😦 i could really use a little bit of knowledge

[upper basin]

Malaysians here eat lots of spicy food though hehehe.

[peak depot]

I like thai food

[upper basin]

Do you have a question?

[rugged root]

You can always ask. If we're in VC we're usually watching the text channels as well so no one gets left out of the convos

[upper basin]

They use tons of spices and even coconut milk though.

[stark river]

qorma.. sabzi.. two things i never mix... qorma is delicious on its own

[vocal basin]

@gentle flint I'd say "embedded language" more specifically rather than "scripting language"

[peak depot]

Thats why I pick only something like phat thai naa

[upper basin]

You need to try it first.

[vocal basin]

as in embedded into other systems, not hardware embedded

[stark river]

no

gorma in farsi = qorma in indian languages

[vital snow]

@upper basin i run a small concrete business here in virginia beach and im tryig to get this to post ads ive been working on seos and stuff but i cant get the python and pip to open with commanbds

@rugged root yes men get exploited to

[vital snow]

money is a good reason

[stark river]

sheer khurma is for eid

[upper basin]

@rugged root Can I answer it? I am not sure if the request violates any of the rules.

[rugged root]

I'm looking into it

I just realized we're talking in the wrong chat

#voice-chat-text-1

[upper basin]

Is that just date and milk?

[peak depot]

Ace do u use bay leaves?

[upper basin]

I forgot what bay leaves are HEHEHE.

[vocal basin]

@cold fulcrum
why write Rust?
idk
it's just an objectively better version of C++

[upper basin]

Rice with dates?

Never had that before.

[stark river]

you need to develop more knowledge of how dialects affect linguistic changes across regions and how language travelled with ancient iranian and indian mixing

like how pazar in turkish = bazar in indian languages

[upper basin]

Rice with cashews and raisins yeah, but not with dates.

[cold fulcrum]

On what basis

[vocal basin]

and if you're considering C#, you should also include Java into the list;
it's way closer to C# than either of C or C++ are

[cold fulcrum]

I always tried to avoid js

[vocal basin]

build system, safety, composability (including packaging), consistency (no std::vector<bool> specialisation BS)

that isn't a complete list because I'm too lazy to think further

[cold fulcrum]

Okay ye I see

[stark river]

point is all languages in the region have loan words and words that are similar but slightly changed because ancient people changed them

[cold fulcrum]

What an objective logic opinion LOL

[vocal basin]

not a Lisp enjoyer, seems like

"JS is a Lisp" joke quota for today met ✅

[cold fulcrum]

ye I get uur point

[stark river]

i have a hard time believing any muslim from iran/pakistan/india region wouldn't know sheer khurma

it's like the standard eid stuff

[vocal basin]

(JS evolved from a Scheme interpreter)

at least not C#'s "what? where? wtf is happening?" async model

[cold fulcrum]

So just for Confiramtion:
C -> the og but a pain to write
C++ -> C's younger better looking brother
C# -> Windows version of JS
TS -> JS on Steroids
Rust -> C++ on Steroids

Did I understand it somehow right

[vocal basin]

C++ not C# in case of Rust

[stark river]

persia had a bigger influence on culture

[vocal basin]

also Java as alternative to C#

C# used to be better, but since then JVM has received some stuff that diverged ensured Java diverges from C#

unless C# decides to ditch async which I don't see it doing

[cold fulcrum]

So based on that Rust would be the way to go?

[vocal basin]

not necessarily

decide based on libraries you're planing to use

[cold fulcrum]

Well our current Backend in my company is C# (.NET) Idk to if I really want to get into the pain of that. But whats the usecase of rust

[stark river]

yes but even thousands of years before the mughals.. ancient aryans migrated from iran to indian side near indus river carrying language and trade

[vocal basin]

Rust is best fit for systems software, not quick development of APIs that you can achieve with ASP.NET stuff

and Rust is relatively new which means lack of native support for many things

if your application domain maps very well to classic Java OOP model, go for C#/Java/Python

[cold fulcrum]

Which shouldnt be a big Problem since I know Python.. no?

[vocal basin]

(C++'s approach to OOP is going to be painful to apply in that way)

[cold fulcrum]

Okay maybe I should ask a diffrent question, where would u say are the limitations with Python the largest and based of that which language would compansate this the most?

[vocal basin]

biggest reasons why I don't use Python as much anymore are:

• performance
• correctness

[stark river]

sure.. but i don't know which timeline you are referring to.. i was talking about 5000 years ago.. around the time of the indus valley civilization

❓

weirdo

[vocal basin]

for anything performance-critical, Python's approach is to apply another, more performant language

[stark river]

he just deleted all his messages.. i dont know why.. what a weirdo

[vocal basin]

via one of:

• FFI
• IPC
• subprocesses

[cold fulcrum]

correctness?

[vocal basin]

Python's error handling and typing leaves a lot of room for incorrectness

[cold fulcrum]

Ohhh ye

Okay, and in terms of use case...

what would be a good alternative

[vocal basin]

exceptions, as a model, are fine, but are a trade-off:
happy path is easier to write,
catching errors is more difficult

[vocal basin]

depends on the what characteristic of Python you want to get

for simplicity, fast compilation and asynchrony -- Go is an option

instead of exceptions, it uses "errors as values" approach

[gentle flint]

https://www.menofmead.com/mulled-mead/

[cold fulcrum]

My biggest "Probelm" with python rn, is the compatibility between async and sync in python

[vocal basin]

Go handles asynchrony transparently/implicitly

similar to latest Java versions

there you don't see the abstraction, you're writing code as if everything is threaded

but threads are virtual

[cold fulcrum]

Mhmm

[vocal basin]

whereas on Python, yes, you need await async.to_thread at times

FastAPI, for example, supports both async def and def for routes

when it sees a plain def, it assumes the handler must be ran on a threadpool

[cold fulcrum]

Well my Problem is that when working with librarys that only support async and sync, that run in an event loop its not realy easy (impossible) to call eachother...

No matter what I do

[vocal basin]

!d asyncio.loop.call_soon_threadsafe

[wise cargo]

asyncio.loop.call\_soon\_threadsafe

loop.call_soon_threadsafe(callback, *args, context=None)```
A thread\-safe variant of [`call_soon()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-eventloop.html#asyncio.loop.call_soon). When scheduling callbacks from another thread, this function *must* be used, since [`call_soon()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-eventloop.html#asyncio.loop.call_soon) is not thread\-safe.

Raises [`RuntimeError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#RuntimeError) if called on a loop that’s been closed. This can happen on a secondary thread when the main application is shutting down.

See the [concurrency and multithreading](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-dev.html#asyncio-multithreading) section of the documentation.

Changed in version 3\.7: The *context* keyword\-only parameter was added. See [**PEP 567**](https://peps.python.org/pep-0567/) for more details.

[cold fulcrum]

I cant even tell you if this will solve the problem I tried alot. The thing is when I get it to call the function it calls it but never runs

I dont understand anything in the system behind it so its not really easy to fix. Or explain the Problem

[vocal basin]

does is raise a RuntimeWarning about unused coroutines?

[cold fulcrum]

At first yes, then I got to the point where everything was suposse to work no RuntimeWaring . It just never called the function

it was stuck on the function call but never called it

#1281546226075959397 @vocal basin

Used anyio didnt get the RuntimeWarning but then never worked

[vocal basin]

there was some way in asyncio to run a coroutine then get a non-asyncio (but concurrent.futures) instance of Future back

I can't remember what it was

[cold fulcrum]

not unused coruntimes but not awaited ones

[vocal basin]

!d asyncio.run_coroutine_threadsafe

[wise cargo]

asyncio.run\_coroutine\_threadsafe

asyncio.run_coroutine_threadsafe(coro, loop)```
Submit a coroutine to the given event loop. Thread\-safe.

Return a [`concurrent.futures.Future`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/concurrent.futures.html#concurrent.futures.Future) to wait for the result from another OS thread.

This function is meant to be called from a different OS thread than the one where the event loop is running. Example...

[vocal basin]

found it

the general advice for dealing with that in discord bots and many other places is to separate the problematic part as a microservice

async communication interface on bot's side
sync communication interface on service's side

or just sync/async on both and a slim translation layer

!pypi greenstalk

[wise cargo]

greenstalk v2.0.2

A Python 3 client for the beanstalkd work queue

Released on <t:1685272512:D>.

[vocal basin]

^ what Rabbit recommends

!pypi pika

[wise cargo]

pika v1.3.2

Pika Python AMQP Client Library

Released on <t:1683296743:D>.

[vocal basin]

^ if you're fine with managing something as heavy as RabbitMQ

(unrelated Rabbits)

!pypi pyzmq

[wise cargo]

pyzmq v26.2.0

Python bindings for 0MQ

Released on <t:1724317323:D>.

[vocal basin]

^ if you don't want to use a broker

[cold fulcrum]

@vocal basin DeprecationWarning: There is no current event loop loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()

[vocal basin]

you need to obtain it from inside async context

via asyncio.get_running_loop()

!d asyncio.get_running_loop

[wise cargo]

asyncio.get\_running\_loop

asyncio.get_running_loop()```
Return the running event loop in the current OS thread.

Raise a [`RuntimeError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#RuntimeError) if there is no running event loop.

This function can only be called from a coroutine or a callback.

Added in version 3\.7\.

[cold fulcrum]

ye thats kindof my problem.

[vocal basin]

how are you starting the bot?

[cold fulcrum]

The library requires me to call a function from a sync

[vocal basin]

bot.run()?

or whatever it is

[cold fulcrum]

Well super().run()

If I remember it correctly

[vocal basin]

look into what it's doing, there is going to be asyncio.run inside or something similar;
you need to extract that code and write your own async def main()

!d asyncio.loop.run_until_complete

[wise cargo]

asyncio.loop.run\_until\_complete

loop.run_until_complete(future)```
Run until the *future* (an instance of [`Future`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-future.html#asyncio.Future)) has completed.

If the argument is a [coroutine object](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine) it is implicitly scheduled to run as a [`asyncio.Task`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#asyncio.Task).

Return the Future’s result or raise its exception.

[vocal basin]

with that instead of asyncio.run

and loop you can get with

!d asyncio.new_event_loop

[wise cargo]

asyncio.new\_event\_loop

asyncio.new_event_loop()```
Create and return a new event loop object.

[vocal basin]

as an alternative to get_running_loop

or you can just initialise a global loop when the bot is ready

whichever works

[cold fulcrum]

def main():
    bot = Bot(version=__version__, config=fetch_config(ENV_PATH))
    bot.run()

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()```

yes so the main runs the bot and the bot class gets initialised via super().run

run function:

def run(self) -> None:
        self.event_manager.subscribe(hikari.StartingEvent, self.on_starting)
        self.event_manager.subscribe(hikari.StartedEvent, self.on_started)
        self.event_manager.subscribe(hikari.StoppingEvent, self.on_stopping)
        self.event_manager.subscribe(hikari.StoppedEvent, self.on_stopped)

        self.event_manager.subscribe(hikari.StartedEvent, monthly_report) # monthly report
        print("⭕ • Running bot...")

        super().run(
            activity=hikari.Activity(
                name=f"@Helferline • Version {self.version}",
            ),
            status=hikari.Status.ONLINE
        )```

[vocal basin]

^ this is likely the easiest way

[cold fulcrum]

Just for my understanding What am I looking for?

Do I want to find the bot object or..

[whole bear]

hi zeki

can you talk ?

hi alisa

i m trying to learn python network programin

but i dont know how start

[vocal basin]

!resources

[whole bear]

._.

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[whole bear]

what is this

[calm smelt]

!!!!Announcement!!!!

https://youtu.be/v4nfF_pf7iU?si=CA7pz0ytot-GAREa

Surreal DB 2.0 just dropped and it's going to be a banger, a world changer and outright data baby maker....

A world paradigm like this has been introduced.
The whole programming language on top of an included with surrealDB !

[vocal basin]

how low-level are we talking? TCP/IP? HTTP?

[vocal basin]

blazingly fast 🚀

[whole bear]

any think about network

[vocal basin]

how familiar are you with asyncio?

[whole bear]

tcp , udp , dhcp client . threads

[whole bear]

0

[vocal basin]

then I recommend starting with:

!d socket

[wise cargo]

socket

Source code: Lib/socket.py

This module provides access to the BSD socket interface. It is available on all modern Unix systems, Windows, MacOS, and probably additional platforms.

Note

Some behavior may be platform dependent, since calls are made to the operating system socket APIs.

Availability: not Emscripten, not WASI.

This module does not work or is not available on WebAssembly platforms wasm32-emscripten and wasm32-wasi. See WebAssembly platforms for more information.

[vocal basin]

the documentation has a number of examples

[vocal basin]

if you're looking for a tutorial not just documentation,
https://realpython.com/python-sockets/

I haven't heard of any books that focus on Python networking, but there probably exist some

yeah, before doing anything network, make sure you understand the whole of python tutorial

https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

Erlang, Rust
starting with real blessed recommendations I see

for socket-based servers you will almost certainly need threading, so learn basics of that too

the alternative way is to use asyncio

which provides/wraps both socket- and threading-like concepts

Elixir was and is running on top of BEAM, the Erlang virtual machine
(from what I remember, that never changed)

payload?

or am I mishearing

example of what you can make with asyncio:
https://gist.github.com/afeistel/8f05ff74b843baebd44fc3f7644ae344
https://gist.github.com/afeistel/3ff7258d8669879f571d0f641a2b9d23

[calm smelt]

Yes

[vocal basin]

I can hear

basic Linux and cybersec question:
why is io_uring disabled on default Docker settings?

that doesn't explain why io_uring is difficult to contain

which is that you're directly passing buffers from userspace to the kernel

way too directly

[vocal basin]

since I saw AI, at least formally, pass this, I made it more reality-adjacent
https://parrrate.github.io/exercises/exercises/get_functions.html

so now that solution I saw no longer works

#off-topic-lounge-text message

[vocal basin]

would be funny if that adjustment would actually increase its success rate given it's now closer to what it could've seen before

that's some real metaphilosophy out there

@sour imp the next level is nazbol

all characters are equal width, some are just more equal width than others

VSC terminal breaking like this is very cursed

animal farm/brave new world?

[vocal basin]

same terminal panel, different width

very pain

[calm smelt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/I1vI47xwyhM?si=TcT6MPc9q7aYJkRx
😆

[vocal basin]

"what happens when a tutorial provides more than one way to do something"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3KuqDbmhM

^ F#

that's just all answers on stackoverflow for Rust

> how to do it
> don't

[vocal basin]

> that's not the right way to do it
> what's the right way
> not the one you're trying

[sour imp]

BEGIN_LICENSE_AGREEMENT

COMMENCE_LEGAL_PROCEEDINGS

SUMMON defendant
SUMMON accomplice

READ_EVIDENCE criminal_records.txt

DELIVER VERDICT The defendant's prior convictions: (defendant)

DEFINE STATUTE calculate_sentence
    sentence_length = defendant * 2 + accomplice
    DELIVER VERDICT Justice shall be served for (sentence_length) years!
END STATUTE

calculate_sentence

damages = defendant * accomplice * 1000
DELIVER VERDICT The court orders restitution of $(damages)

WRITE_VERDICT permanent_record.txt

CASE_DISMISSED

END_LICENSE_AGREEMENT

[vocal basin]

popular cryptanalytic tool
(as for usage instructions, refer to online materials)

that doesn't sound like something too old

(there might be some regional nuances to tech)

when was the last reasonable year to still use floppy disks

so before 2008

[calm smelt]

https://github.com/CatalaLang/catala

[vocal basin]

quite a good language for writing other languages

rustc used to be implemented in OCaml

[compact axle]

a\

as

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @compact axle until <t:1726619195:f> (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[muted hinge]

!tvmute 518533227590189056 "2 weeks" Spamming messages to up your message count is not the way to get voice verified. You can still join voice channels without being verified; you just have to get some legitimate server activity in order to get verified.

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @compact axle until <t:1727828314:f> (14 days).

[whole bear]

import hashlib

def convert_text_to_sha1(text):
    digest = hashlib.sha1(
        text.encode()
    ).hexdigest()

    return digest

def main():
    user_sha1 = input("Enter the SHA1 to Crack: ")
    cleaned_user_sha1 = user_sha1.strip().lower()

    with open('./not_passwords.txt') as f:
        for line in f:
            password = line.strip()
            converted_sha1 = convert_text_to_sha1(password)
            if cleaned_user_sha1 == converted_sha1:
                print(f'Password Found: {password}')
                return
    print("Could not find a password.")


if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

[vocal basin]

OCaml is another ML derivative

with, if I remember correctly, some notion of ownership model

@hollow hawk this channel

[calm smelt]

@vocal basin what do you know about ocaml ?

[calm smelt]

https://youtu.be/SR2LRhnL1AQ?si=njsHbgNX7WjAu6yb

[somber heath]

@fluid nexus 👋

@terse rose #media-processing message

[stoic chasm]

this stuff is so cool

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

https://www.google.com/search?q=Feynman+pronounce&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1116US1116&oq=Feynman+pronounce&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDE3NjZqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

fine·muhn

Mandelbrot Set

[gentle flint]

a fine man

[dapper tulip]

hey guysss howdyyyyyyyyyy

do any need

any ux designer

if yesss

i m there to hel u guys

help *

[rugged root]

It's going to be a bit until I'm on VC

We have a training this morning

[whole bear]

import requests
from itertools import product

def brute_force_directories(url, wordlist):
for word in wordlist:
response = requests.get(f"{url}/{word}")
if response.status_code == 200:
print(f"Found: {url}/{word}")

[upbeat bobcat]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[whole bear]

hey

[whole bear]

import requests
from itertools import product

def brute_force_directories(url, wordlist):
for word in wordlist:
response = requests.get(f"{url}/{word}")
if response.status_code == 200:
print(f"Found: {url}/{word}")

@somber heath

[stoic chasm]

import requests
from itertools import product

def brute_force_directories(url, wordlist):
    for word in wordlist:
        response = requests.get(f"{url}/{word}")
        if response.status_code == 200:
            print(f"Found: {url}/{word}")

[whole bear]

چ

]

{}

[arctic needle]

my_list = list()

my_list = []

[whole bear]

dict = {
"name" : "HOLOKAST"
}

[upbeat bobcat]

That comes with python

[somber heath]

@snow prairie 👋

@warm parcel 👋

@modern root 👋

Lin E.R. algebra.
"Please help me. My arm fell off."
"Okay, first, solve for x."

[stoic chasm]

https://github.com/FastVM/minivm

[somber heath]

@oblique jewel @fickle raft 👋

@radiant anvil 👋

[radiant anvil]

yes

[somber heath]

@worn cradle 👋

[worn cradle]

I am not that person

I am beginner

good

I am IB student

[radiant anvil]

hey

[worn cradle]

I am going to study physics

[radiant anvil]

don't coding

[worn cradle]

sure, I am studying it now

[still herald]

I have a question

What do you guys wear at your work place?

[noble solstice]

Clothes!

[still herald]

Ofc ik that

[noble solstice]

so why are u asking?

[still herald]

I mean when you feel fancy what would you wear at work?

Idk i feel like to wear fancy colourful stuff all the time

But had to stick with formals and i hate that

I wish we could wear cool clothes at work place too

[noble solstice]

do u guys know about queueing theory?

[still herald]

Please stop there

[still herald]

Just tell me

[noble solstice]

Well, wear that feels u good fook the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queueing_theory

[still herald]

STOP

[noble solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/bully-maguire-cry-gonna-cry-spider-man-spiderman-meme-gif-144908065341776122

[still herald]

You guys just start to act professional in vcs I hate that

[noble solstice]

it's sound easy but fookin difficult!

[still herald]

STOP

[noble solstice]

what?

[still herald]

Because you're not answering my question

[noble solstice]

ask!

[still herald]

This

[noble solstice]

it;s ur life choose what u like

[still herald]

I'm asking you what would you wear???

[noble solstice]

Mostly shirts and pants I feel comfortable on that

[still herald]

You know what forget it, you're no fun

[noble solstice]

r u high tonight!

GO and rest!

[still herald]

You're not my parent

[dreamy turret]

I wish I could voice chat alr ;-;

[noble solstice]

what's ur age?

U seems to be 12 yr old kid

discord is only for 13+

go and do ur homework!

[noble solstice]

U will send 50 msg!

[dreamy turret]

For people in voice:
How do you go about designing your DB structure without getting overwhelmed with all the branching?

[stoic chasm]

i use mostly datalog based DB's so i dont have much structure to talk about

[dreamy turret]

googling this now

[still herald]

@somber heath everything is fair in love and war

[stoic chasm]

its not super good for beginners

[dreamy turret]

Ah yes I see

I'd prefer to stick with a traditional SQL structure rn but thanks for showing me your option

[stoic chasm]

yea thats fair

i'm a big fan of graphs

[vocal basin]

I only know of its history; as for language itself, not as much

[patent jungle]

sup

we really need 50 message to talk in vc ? ;_;

[whole bear]

you guys know about open source

?

https://www.udemy.com/course/master-the-coding-interview-data-structures-algorithms/?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=udemyads&utm_campaign=Search_DSA_GammaCatchall_NonP_la.EN_cc.India&campaigntype=Search&portfolio=India&language=EN&product=Course&test=&audience=DSA&topic=&priority=Gamma&utm_content=deal4584&utm_term=_._ag_166578677881_._ad_700948726517_._kw__._de_c_._dm__._pl__._ti_dsa-1456167871416_._li_9040204_._pd__._&matchtype=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9Km3BhDjARIsAGUb4nxq0entJmrYhD-c8GJP9z1XOFFaPiCGfHK1smYurBojyzO9lz8IO4UaApMyEALw_wcB&couponCode=IND21PM

[arctic needle]

https://neetcode.io/roadmap

[lavish rover]

https://github.com/mustafaquraish/rt/

[whole bear]

https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues

[deep depot]

hello

[whole bear]

hey mr.ahmed the amazigh

[vocal basin]

are we leetcoding

[whole bear]

..........................

[vocal basin]

merge N linked lists is fun one

there was some very cursed one, trying to remember what it was rn

GitHub login UI looking highly engineered as always

https://leetcode.com/problems/strong-password-checker/

leetcode 420

a what

I don't remember doing that

(as in reaching low memory usage)

yeah, just DP-ish and don't store too many leftover results

||```py
sorted(filter(3 .le, map(len, map(''.join, map(itemgetter(1), groupby(password))))))

ah, right, back when I was writing python as if it's lisp

(there are less bad ways to do what that code does)

[vocal basin]

okay this might've been misinformation, I can't come up with something more concise without loops

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
   print(len(g))

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 |     print(len(g))
004 |           ^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: object of type 'itertools._grouper' has no len()

[vocal basin]

did I just put three spaces there

I put one
then decided it's too bad aesthetically
tried to to put four

[surreal wyvern]

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
   print(type(g))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <class 'itertools._grouper'>
002 | <class 'itertools._grouper'>

[surreal wyvern]

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
   print(dir(g))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getstate__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__init_subclass__', '__iter__', '__le__', '__lt__', '__module__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__next__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__']
002 | ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getstate__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__init_subclass__', '__iter__', '__le__', '__lt__', '__module__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__next__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__']

[vocal basin]

it's an iterator

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
    print(*g)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a a
002 | b

[surreal wyvern]

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
   print(len(list(g)))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 2
002 | 1

[vocal basin]

imagine even having a résumé

[surreal wyvern]

!e

from itertools import groupby
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
   print(sizeof(g))

[vocal basin]

(I'm still far enough removed from reality that applying to jobs is irrelevant)

sys.sizeof

[radiant crater]

damnn bro, after scrolling for hours this is the first chat

[vocal basin]

!e

from itertools import groupby
from sys import sizeof
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
    print(sizeof(g))

[wise cargo]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     from sys import sizeof
004 | ImportError: cannot import name 'sizeof' from 'sys' (unknown location). Did you mean: 'getsizeof'?

[vocal basin]

eh

!e

from itertools import groupby
from sys import getsizeof as sizeof
for _, g in groupby("aab"):
    print(sizeof(g))

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 48
002 | 48

[vocal basin]

_grouper is a lazy iterator

it only requests for a new item from the underlying iterator when requested

so, since len is supposed to be non-destructive, it can't work

also, generally, len is supposed to take a finite amount of time to compute

(this is a joke)

as in you can't go get a len of next(groupby(repeat(element)))[1]

[vocal basin]

this was mentioned in some video that I haven't watched

if you're solving in Rust or other language unpopular for leetcode, you can just be the first (only) one competing

easy beats 100%

should make an extension that adds Ocen to leetcode UI which compiles to C behind the scenes

can the compiler run on wasm yet?

ohno, I just remembered how painful it was to compile the C kernel for jupyter

thinking of whether it's possible to interpret C in whatever

sandbox in a container in a vm

minimal performance maximal paranoia

I should research how ejudge does sandboxing if any

they recently switched to docker

as in within the last ten years

!source eval

[wise cargo]

Command: eval

Run Python code and get the results.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/utils/snekbox/_cog.py:573

[vocal basin]

ejudge is a specific self-hosted service for testing code in academic-ish setting

universities, programming competitions

compile targeting musl, run in a FROM scratch image

idk if that will actually work

[lavish rover]

!help

[radiant crater]

are u talking to yourself?

[vocal basin]

who to whom

[radiant crater]

yes

[steel oriole]

@sour imp whats up

It is

It is going good

the time is 6:27

PM

just barely

I live in michigan

nice!

ew

lol jk

so in verification for vc

it says active for 3 10 minute blocks

what does it mean by blocks?

ah okay

heard

TBH I don't know if I have been active for 3 10 minute blocks

I just have to send 50 messages

that is what it says

How long have you known python?

pardon?

thats

a long ass time

hopefully I code for a long time

I know

I plan to join the air force for cybersecurity

the recruiter wants me since of the sec+ cert I am getting

going over it I saw that air force has better everything

like

everything...

LMAO

1 sec

[whole bear]

Hello

[placid kernel]

Hi

[whole bear]

Hello

I can’t speak

I’m not verified

I’m voice chat

I need 50 messages

This is dumb

[placid kernel]

You;ll make it . its not that much.

[whole bear]

True

I’m just trying to figure out

How I can check how many I have

Without having to press the verify button

And going back to check everytime

[placid kernel]

just wait for 3 days. That's also a criterion. Help someone out in help channel.

[somber heath]

@daring totem 👋

[quartz beacon]

Hyello opal

[vocal basin]

turns out, not only did I joined deafened, but also with sound turned off on the system

[quartz beacon]

Went up 4 flights of stairs😭
I'm pretty unfit 🙁

[quartz beacon]

Happens to the best of us

Do you want to see містер миш

Mister mouse :) (rat)

[vocal basin]

woke up, as usual, in the middle of the day

[quartz beacon]

Based bad sleeping schedule

I'm gonna look at rats on Instagram

[vocal basin]

stuff at work is in some weird state where everyone is in a hurry but almost nothing is assigned to me

[wraith helm]

why am i suppressed here?

[somber heath]

#voice-verification

[vocal basin]

"if the original code isn't packaged well enough for you to use via import so that you need to copy, it's their problem"

there do exist reasons to replicate other things from scratch, including licensing

rewrite it in Haskell, make it truly functional

[somber heath]

👋 @robust gazelle

[vocal basin]

taking a specific part out of another codebase and adjusting it to your needs is completely normal;
just check the license for whether it requires attribution (often it does)

@upper basin I remembered a perfect meme for the original question of whether someone makes you feel like a fraud

there do exist licensing restrictions on using something as a reference, but that's something rarely seen in open-source

[upper basin]

Yeah, most of the code I use is usually apache 2.0.

[vocal basin]

as for proprietary code, that is the reasons why current and past Microsoft employees are not allowed to work on projects like Wine:
so that Microsoft can't claim legal as much stuff against the project as a whole

[vocal basin]

Rust projects often do this:

[upper basin]

So, practically every package out there uses Quantum Shannon Decomposition to do unitary synthesis (it's basically the best practice at this point), so I tried to save time and use a clean, functional implementation of it SO that I could get back to my compiler.

Issue is that I used Cirq (Google's package) which is just broken, it doesn't work for the most part. I worked on it for like two days, and it seemed like it was fixed, but still for certain matrices it returns wrong results.

Also, the cost of it is 14 percent more than what I am usually using through Qiskit's QSD, so I am now trying to implement Qiskit's way. Issue is that it's SUPER nested. For good reason, but I need time to figure out how it would even fit in with the overall qickit.synthesis module I have.

[upper basin]

My package is already Apache 2.0, and theirs is also Apache 2.0. Do I need to still put theirs in as well?

[vocal basin]

normally licenses aren't duplicated in dependent projects

[somber heath]

@old niche👋

[vocal basin]

including for the reason of relicensing

[upper basin]

I'm trying to reduce my dependency for certain stuff too, hence the whole mess I'm trying to clean right now hehe.

[vocal basin]

I try to put links to original code whenever it makes sense

[upper basin]

For these I have been doing this as an example:

class QiskitCircuit(Circuit):
    """ `qickit.circuit.QiskitCircuit` is the wrapper for using IBM Qiskit in Qickit SDK.

    Notes
    -----
    IBM Qiskit is an open-source SDK for working with quantum computers at the level of
    extended quantum circuits, operators, and primitives.

    For more information on IBM Qiskit:
    - Documentation:
    https://qiskit.org/documentation/
    - Source code:
    https://github.com/Qiskit/qiskit
    - Publication:
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.08810
"""
...

[vocal basin]

less so for the reason of licensing, but mostly to not lose track of code history

[upper basin]

Would this suffice?

[upper basin]

How so?

[vocal basin]

I have a reimplementation of std::sync::Arc in one of the repositories;
in case someone less experienced wants to add weak references to my version, mentioning where it comes from will make it easier

eh

proofread everything AI outputs

including docs and tests

and comments

and what's the best way to proofread comments? remove them

[upper basin]

HEHEHE

[vocal basin]

nothing to check => everything checked

[upper basin]

Just erase the problem.

Love the times it gets stuck, and just comments everything the same thing.

[vocal basin]

I have this at the top of the package, even though the code isn't public yet (and maybe will never be)

//! References
//!
//! * <https://github.com/oxalica/async-ffi/issues/19>
//! * <https://docs.rs/async-ffi/0.5.0/src/async_ffi/lib.rs.html>
//! * <https://zeromq.org/socket-api/>
//! * <https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/src/alloc/sync.rs.html>

code highlight broke, amazing

//! doc string

huh

why is it not recognising

is * breaking it

//! * item

it's reaching the limit of /s it can handle lol

amazing

not just a product of two independent states => entangled

[vocal basin]

is it not public yet?

[upper basin]

No it's not public yet.

[vocal basin]

there is a read-only collaborator option iirc

[upper basin]

No, you can edit if you like.

iirc.

Shall we try?

[vocal basin]

but that option requires first adding with write permissions

which is suboptimal, in general

[upper basin]

I think I have.

Whichever you prefer really.

I sent you an invite.

[vocal basin]

^ this applies to per-repo per-user

(not teams)

[somber heath]

Ball.

[upper basin]

Yes.

[somber heath]

Baaaallll.

[upper basin]

I have teams as well I think.

[vocal basin]

yeah, teams is the only way not to run into "permissions set after adding" issue that I know

https://microsoft.github.io/windows-docs-rs/doc/windows/System/struct.ShutdownManager.html#method.BeginShutdown

[bleak copper]

put this in a python subprocess command:
C:\WINDOWS\RUNDLL32.EXE shell32,SHExitWindowsEx x
Where x is either 0, 1 or 2 based on the following table:
0 - Log off
1 - Shutdown
2 - Restart

this is from:
http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/900/

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

I suggest https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download/

[upper basin]

@vocal basin I was about to cry if that stretched on any longer HEHE.

I'm blind, I couldn't see the extra .T that was undoing my transpose.

@vocal basin You have Write access, right?

I think I gave Member roles Write access.

[vocal basin]

unless GitHub is having UI skill issues, yes

[upper basin]

Hehe

Good.

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/eclipse-theia/theia

scp -r

if you have separate systems

@bleak copper at that point, ZFS only

or "ZFS: we're scared of CDDL edition" aka btrfs

openSUSE defaults to using btrfs which is quite convenient

[upper basin]

Gonna eat dinner, and get back to this.

[vocal basin]

I missed the context but I heard 3D, was it 3D cache for AMD?

[upper basin]

@lime fractal check this.

[upper basin]

.

[vocal basin]

@bleak copper Minecraft, especially with mods is extremely RAM-hungry

and the Java GC pauses are cursed

I remember playing Minecraft in around 2015 and getting ~500fps on a regular laptop;
nowadays I can barely get stable 60 fps without mods on relatively good hardware, I have no idea what they did to the game

Minecraft's whole approach to threading is odd

disable V-sync

you can't go above monitor fps with V-sync on

[vocal basin]

from what I remember, optifine does something about it but even that is limited

[upper basin]

Aren't the older versions available?

[vocal basin]

they are

[upper basin]

Could we peek at the source code?

[vocal basin]

it's proprietary, I'd expect

[upper basin]

It's tedious, but that could shed some light.

[vocal basin]

as for processing of the world, only dedicated server is able to take full advantage of multithreading

@upper basin C extension

is that file in Git?

likely uses maturin/pyo3

@upper basin _accelerate?

or some other package?

@upper basin https://github.com/Qiskit/qiskit/tree/main/crates/accelerate

[upper basin]

I should probably put Rust binding on my TODO list too hehe.

For QMPRS.

The profiler shows massive delay on QR and SVD ops. Here:

They're using numpy (C) code so not sure if it'd make a big difference or not.

[vocal basin]

pyo3 is quite easy to use compared to plain C interface

[upper basin]

I'll check it out.

[vocal basin]

(though note that same Rust type across separate DLLs is considered as different types)

which might be confusing at times

caused by the fact that Rust doesn't have an ABI

to get compatibility across compilations you need some extra stuff via, for example, abi_stable crate

[errant laurel]

I'm new in python guys.

I'm very interested to learn python in data engineering, quantum computing and data analytics.

[upper basin]

I would suggest checking the MIT OCW courses on this. 6.0001 and 6.0002.

Google MIT OCW, and search 6.0001 and 6.0002 in the search bar.

Both have lecture videos, assignments, etc.

[errant laurel]

I hope I can learn those thinks since I'm from third world country.

[upper basin]

They're good resources.

But the best way to ensure you've learned things properly is to make projects.

Anything really, as long as you're thinking about the code you're writing.

To know when to use what.

[vocal basin]

https://docs.rs/abi_stable/latest/abi_stable/type_layout/struct.TypeLayout.html

there should be a compatibility check but I don't remember where

since the layout logic there allows extending some types

specifically prefix types

[vocal basin]

trying to poke around in linkedin again

what a slow website

it either takes multiple network round trips to navigate or the server itself is slow

I'm using the non-outdated username there

same as on discord

parrrate

oh lmao I still have the organisation name in caps

even though it's not really an org anymore

only me left there

[upper basin]

Hehe

[vocal basin]

notifications are the only optimised-ish part

[upper basin]

Qualition is basically me too.

[vocal basin]

still waiting for PR to be acknowledged

but it's completely non-critical

@molten pewter it was added to Python to make numpy more convenient;
Python itself has no uses for that operator (binary @)

why are there both

uh

(I have no idea what I'm looking at but ig openproject just supports both so that's why)

[somber heath]

Ace talking about vectors and qbits:

https://tenor.com/view/friends-rachel-balls-ballsflying-gif-27135809

[vocal basin]

I'm back from trying to find how to create an admin account for openproject

apparently I was just supposed to assume it's already created with credentials admin/admin

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/worst-security-security-check-gif-14764954

[stoic chasm]

Ket vectors make me feel like i'm on Ketamine

:(

[vocal basin]

!e

print(2 ** 1000)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

10715086071862673209484250490600018105614048117055336074437503883703510511249361224931983788156958581275946729175531468251871452856923140435984577574698574803934567774824230985421074605062371141877954182153046474983581941267398767559165543946077062914571196477686542167660429831652624386837205668069376

[upper basin]

@somber heath I am sorry, I'm done. Please come back.

[vocal basin]

brb

[somber heath]

@warm hawk 👋

[warm hawk]

hey

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/fPBaBC_jC54?feature=shared

[jovial iris]

@rugged root Hey

[rugged root]

Google Drive backs mine up automatically since I have an Android

[upbeat bobcat]

@rotund crater You can ask him here

[rotund crater]

Alright!

Hi @rugged root! I'm Juan and I'd like to stream my project on the live coding channel. It's just a personal project but I'm excited with all the output I've gotten from it, can I do it please?. Before that, I want to stay to watch what your streaming for a while.

[somber heath]

@red nymph 👋

[rugged root]

I also don't really take a lot of photos so I don't think a lot about it

[rugged root]

Yeah we can do that later. What's the project?

External drives are a good option too

[rotund crater]

Oh I was actually looking for streaming in the live coding channel. My project is a blackjack game that fetches card decks from the deckofcards api and uses streams/sockets to allow two players to playing. The UI is planned to be made with Textual. It's basically a TUI app.

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/austriacki-pingwin-penguin-pingvin-xd-gif-16511709842320423315

[twin flame]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-ok-i-pull-up-hop-out-at-theafter-party-gif-22734030

[rugged root]

https://youtube.com/shorts/564XSl0y8o8?si=EmzF1EUMjfja43kM

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/byp0q_O1Fss?feature=shared

[upbeat bobcat]

@whole bear What?

[whole bear]

this looks easier than lua with making ui

[upbeat bobcat]

Idk lua but okay.

[whole bear]

looks good 👍

[upbeat bobcat]

Thanks

[somber heath]

@covert niche 👋

@near solstice 👋

[vocal basin]

if you want to keep the source private, don't ship the software to users, host it as a service

[dapper tulip]

heyyyy

supppp guyyssss

[rugged root]

So the thing is we typically give video perms as needed when there's an admin or mod available to do so. As we get more comfortable with people, we grant then a 3 week probationary period where they just have it on them. If they prove they're trustworthy after that period, they get it perma

But initially...

[upbeat bobcat]

@rugged root Can you help? I am not able to install chatterbot

[rugged root]

!pip auto-py-to-exe

[wise cargo]

auto-py-to-exe v2.44.1

Converts .py to .exe using a simple graphical interface.

Released on <t:1719294508:D>.

[rugged root]

Makes life so much easier when making an exe

[rotund crater]

Awesome, that's understandable. I just want to put myself on streaming so I feel more comfortable with people looking at me working to improve social skills for interviews initially but also I'd like to socialize in the server

[upbeat bobcat]

Installing it then I will try again

[upper basin]

The more you push for making the code commercial and private, the more you'll notice it damages the software quality in the long-term.

I speak from experience.

[quartz beacon]

Hey hemmer

Did someone ping me?

Cause I saw 2 pings but the messages are gone

[upper basin]

I am really inclined to make my own commercial projects to Apache 2.0 at this point. Reason being is that it makes collaboration much easier, more people would use it, and people would be more inclined to contribute to it.

[rugged root]

Oh for sure, totally get that

[upbeat bobcat]

@rugged root Same error

[upper basin]

As long as the code is open-source, no matter how strictly you license it, people can always reproduce it by means of reverse-engineering. We as developers do it all the time.

Might as well just make it Apache 2.0 or MIT at that point.

[rugged root]

Looking

[vocal basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm8P4oCIY3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpnncakrelk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5bC20NTQ0

[upbeat bobcat]

Yes it is chatterbot only

[vocal basin]

reverse-engineering some languages to their original form is extremely hard

[upbeat bobcat]

I did that

[vocal basin]

including Rust

[upbeat bobcat]

but still

[rugged root]

Thinking

[upper basin]

I didn't say it's not hard, it's admittedly hard (as you saw it today with me trying qiskit's approach). However, it's doable if you got the know-how.

[somber heath]

@amber raptor End-stage crapitolism.

[upper basin]

The more ingrained the code is within the core of the language/package (i.e., how deep it goes, like a tree graph with many, many layers of classes VS a wide, broad tree with few layers of classes), the harder it'll be, but it's still doable, and depending on what the code does worthwhile or not.

[upper basin]

capitalism feels like a pun on cap-italism (all bs, all lies).

[somber heath]

@ashen pebble 👋

[rugged root]

@upbeat bobcat From what I'm seeing, chatterbot only seems to support up to Python 3.8

[vocal basin]

comes from inlining+generics

1K functions in source getting turned into 10K functions in binary

[upbeat bobcat]

Oh so I should not use it?

[upper basin]

Exactly, it's hard if it's really deep within the software.

Qiskit's unitary synthesis goes to the very core of the package, basically to DAGCircuit. It was just really deep (however, it feels like they could do it with a flatter implementation).

[rugged root]

That I don't have a good answer for

[upbeat bobcat]

Thanks

[amber raptor]

All you need to know

[vocal basin]

useless metrics my beloved

especially the last column

100% 0/0 ✅

[upper basin]

New math discovered.

[rugged root]

https://incogni.com/

[vocal basin]

new sponsor to this VC replacing our previous sponsor, RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

[amber raptor]

More and more data brokers are just flat up ignoring them

Outside EU and a few states, they can flat up ignore you

[vocal basin]

"our responsible use of data: us and our 600 partners do our 'best' (nothing) to protect your information"

reverse-financed internship
aka
scam

[rugged root]

We conspire with work with various data aggregator companies to temporarily suppress your info for a cut of the profit remove your information!

[vocal basin]

https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U

[rugged root]

https://support.incogni.com/hc/en-us/sections/4904628648850-Data-Removal-Process

Seems interesting

[gentle flint]

someone hung this up at work

[dry jasper]

soon there will be one table with all the cups from all work colleges? 😄

[gentle flint]

the text above says
"It is recognised that not everyone is able to put cups in the dishwasher. A masterclass will soon be organised for those who have not yet mastered this skill.

If you don't manage yet, do not place your cup on the counter, but on the desk of a colleague who has already mastered this skill."

[gentle flint]

lol ig

[short owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day

do you have a hat ?

@rugged root convince the accountants to talk pirate all day

[gentle flint]

old tap

new tap

I have also hung up a nail for the refill hose

[vocal basin]

it's differentiation

but

in some languages it's also named the word that translates as "derived"

differentiation, the process
derivative, the result of that process

amazing

[somber heath]

✅ Wrong

Not at all a mixed message.

❌ Correct

[vocal basin]

new coworker's commit name: fix comments
contents of the commit: all comments removed

finally someone who understands programming

[dry jasper]

sometimes you can, sometimes you can nada

[rugged root]

AF, halp. I started looking into things like natural log and Euler's number

I don't know why

But I'm starting to partially understand it and I don't like that I do

Still some confusion, though

Like it feels like we found these numbers out of thin air

Pi confuses me in the same way

[vocal basin]

more like they appear everywhere

so it just gets a name

[rugged root]

I think it's more irrational numbers that break me

These more nebulous concepts

[vocal basin]

just something not representable as a ratio

(of whole numbers)

square root of two is somewhat simple to prove irrationality of

don't scare spiders that much

[rugged root]

True. They are more scared of us than the other way round

[pearl flicker]

Hey what's the scenario after US Fed interest rate easing?

[upper basin]

You can actually re-discover pi using a sampling approach.

It's a fun thought experiment by MIT I believe. They draw a circle with a radius of 1, and put it inside a square of size 2 by 2, and they cover the entire surface with needles. Using the ratio of the needles inside the circle (the surface of the circle, pi r^2, where given r=1, it's just pi) and the surface of the square (2 x 2 = 4), you can calculate pi to some approximation.

[vocal basin]

!e

print((sum(1 / i ** 2 for i in range(1, 1000000)) * 6) ** .5)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

3.141591698659512

[rugged root]

I'm guessing as the range is larger the more accurate it'd be?

[vocal basin]

the approximation is very slow

[rugged root]

Because that's only correct up to the 5th decimal

Sure sure

[vocal basin]

!e

from math import pi
for j in range(0, 6 + 1):
    print(pi - (sum(1 / i ** 2 for i in range(1, (10 ** j) + 1)) * 6) ** .5)

[wise cargo]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0.6921029108066152
002 | 0.09223101760772323
003 | 0.009516121780686948
004 | 0.0009545973838003263
005 | 9.548964258376813e-05
006 | 9.549263352059967e-06
007 | 9.549293258359626e-07

[rugged root]

Math is weird

https://conicgames.github.io/exponentialidle/index.html#

That's the game I was talkin' about

[vocal basin]

OpenJiraClone is so confusing
too many settings and everything

[short owl]

dreams of exponential Bitcoin dancing through your head @rugged root

[vocal basin]

they too want money, aggressively

[rugged root]

Just numbers getting bigger in general. I love incremental games

[vocal basin]

take on debt and ignore the minus

[short owl]

mooses , mooses

[vocal basin]

I'm very confused on what 5.51 means here

that's just what the service sees

@dense ibex what language/lsp?

[dense ibex]

python

uhh pylance

[vocal basin]

theoretically, your code might be too convoluted for it to understand

but that's rare

or not your but that of the package

(I've seen it fail because of that)

[dense ibex]

interesting

[short owl]

archive data to avoid ransomware

[dense ibex]

uhh I mean it's a fastapi app with like 30 routes

[vocal basin]

most times it just doesn't know what the type is

[dense ibex]

I just am not getting any completion

like for imports

[vocal basin]

have you (re)selected the interpreter

[dense ibex]

yes

[short owl]

300 M install for Pycharm

[vocal basin]

if you're looking for a more stable LSP,
then
not PyCharm

[dense ibex]

I just didn't like the typechecking in it

it's very shallow

[vocal basin]

mine takes up 1.73 GB of space

[short owl]

but your doing multiple languages , I assume

[vocal basin]

PyCharm is better at guessing

and worse at being correct

generics and PyCharm LSP don't mix well

[rugged root]

https://lsp.sublimetext.io/language_servers/

[vocal basin]

https://theia-ide.org/docs/user_install_vscode_extensions

still haven't tried the Eclipse's thing yet

[jovial iris]

it likely indicates the version of the software or tool used to measure the disk space.

[vocal basin]

turbo pascal 🚀

blazingly fast compiler and IDE for a dead language

yay it gives a checkmark for not having admin/admin as creds

why is it in American locale

and how do I change that

uh

I can't find

Odin mentioned

[rugged root]

https://odin-lang.org/

[vocal basin]

supports Windows

ohno

I saw something terrible in the UI

so I changed locale to Russian

that, at least, makes the date correct

but

it still shows am./pm.

AND

not as am/pm

but as, quote, УТРА / ВЕЧЕРА
(MORNING / EVENING)

in caps

OpenProject web UI

OpenJiraClone

no, Windows has a funnier thing

did you know that lock screen time updates only each minute?

even if you turn on seconds display

so it looks like the time is frozen

does JavaScript count

I meant Lisp

[surreal wyvern]

Object Script

[vocal basin]

I used Lisp for Tree-sitter queries

that's the most non-JS Lisp I've ever written

code analysis

I've watched videos on it

idk if Haskell counts as weird

[rugged root]

Yes. Yes it does

Weirder than Lisp I would say

[vocal basin]

1С probably too

[short owl]

countdown to Mochi arrival @peak depot

[vocal basin]

Erlang is in the `unusual' category too

same VM

I've written some Nim code before also

F# I've written with goals of actually having that in software others use

I haven't written any BASIC code (and none of it semi-direct derivatives like VBA)

[rugged root]

Visual Basic was one of the languages in my course work back in college

[short owl]

King Nimrod

[vocal basin]

what do Visual Basic and Scala have in common?

(in terms of weird)

XML literals

[rugged root]

Oh god that's right

[vocal basin]

GDScript apparently is very old

what a funny collection of languages

sounds like response to

[rugged root]

HA

[vocal basin]

but where is ISNTLISP

[rugged root]

Godot's language?

[vocal basin]

yes

[rugged root]

It'd be as old as Godot I would think

[vocal basin]

yeah, 2001

[vocal basin]

they've been using their own language from the start

[short owl]

they have AI but monitors GIGANTIC

movie - 2010 @rugged root

[surreal wyvern]

Object Script 1990

[vocal basin]

another language I should learn

ML, the language, just like ALGOL, influenced basically every modern language

[rugged root]

https://reasonml.github.io/

[surreal wyvern]

Do you know about Mumps

[vocal basin]

?

[surreal wyvern]

1960

[rugged root]

https://rescript-lang.org/

[vocal basin]

Massachusetts General Hospital Utility Multi-Programming System

[vocal basin]

* 1966

[vocal basin]

six years

reminds of PL/I

Multics, the OS, has been written in PL/I (and successfully overengineered) before any PL/I ever existed

[short owl]

Is REXX being used anywhere ?

[rugged root]

Probably somewhere

[vocal basin]

so many acronyms

[short owl]

IBM and Amiga for REXX , AREXX

[south temple]

I still run my windows xp vm sometime for retro games

Minesweeper Pinball

[vocal basin]

game of using old microsoft word without getting interrupted by clippy

[south temple]

age of empires and counterstrike

[vocal basin]

for minesweeper I prefer minesweeper.online, for many reasons

speaking of that,
@rugged root
https://minesweeper.online/game/3753839970

(there's a replay)

@peak depot I heard that as "eating, like, a groundhog"

[short owl]

your new poop machine will soon be delivered @peak depot

[vocal basin]

yes

[south temple]

with integrated graphics it was more fun I kinda of miss that now it's all about fps and refresh rate hz and display quality and external hardware

[vocal basin]

it's quite visible there how I just have brain pauses in the middle of the process

[short owl]

earthworm jim ?

[south temple]

bomber man

[rugged root]

Yeah I noticed some hesitation

Still, fucking crushed it

MoleZ

[south temple]

🤣 I might have skipped this because of featured image

[rugged root]

I'd never heard of this one at all

[vocal basin]

this were fun but also somewhat unfinished
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gadget

I was never able to find any other than 1С-published translations

[vocal basin]

Mulle Meck originally

and, originally, a series of books

[south temple]

I still have the gun

[vocal basin]

trying this live-ish
https://minesweeper.online/game/3760052398

@upper basin

three free cells to the left

50/50

https://minesweeper.online/game/3760052399

@rugged root I've played on XP, it can start with non-0 too

[south temple]

you are playing in expert mode

[vocal basin]

catastrophe happened

@rugged root eight days arena

[rugged root]

Weirdly this is way tougher with a trackball

Didn't think about it

[vocal basin]

I got something like 150~200s on a touchpad

[vocal basin]

I need to play/sell all these at some point

so many

[vocal basin]

arenas

[vocal basin]

like this

@upper basin @rugged root flags are optional for reaching <100s time
https://minesweeper.online/game/3312480386

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/tanga-minon-gif-2528954344473553194

[upper basin]

Show off HEEHE.

[stuck furnace]

Get a rice cooker

[south temple]

Gas is cheap than Electricity in my country

[stuck furnace]

I'd describe it as conscientiousness

[peak depot]

hi ❤️

[vocal basin]

"it's sparking" in case of plome might mean either clean or funny in an electrical way

[stuck furnace]

Yo, not bad

[peak depot]

ö = island

[south temple]

it looks like 😮 I used these as emojis when I didn't know these are separate characters

[peak depot]

elf vs elves