how do i start?
#voice-chat-text-0
rancid fractal
upbeat bobcat
how do i start?
I am also beginner
upbeat bobcat
@vocal basin can tell you ig
vocal basin
capitalisation of forall, the keyword
so in a language where there's no lowercase separate snake_case, ig, could make sense?
vocal basin
how do you plan to start?
start with what?
rancid fractal
i'm like a complete beginner beginner
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
^this
useful stuff to look through
are you learning Python for school/university? job? hobby/for fun?
rancid fractal
are you learning Python for school/university? job? hobby/for fun?
hobby/fun
i wanna build some skill
upbeat bobcat
@rancid fractal you are in which class?
rancid fractal
the university major is different
upbeat bobcat
or uni
upbeat bobcat
for software engineering?
rancid fractal
nahh
i'm gonna take some other discipline
non cs related
but one of my relatives suggested me to learn atleast the basics of programing to make stuff easier
so, yeah
that's that
upbeat bobcat
oh ok
vocal basin
if you prefer reading text and experimenting with code on your own (as opposed to being guided through by tests and quizzes), I usually suggest the official tutorial
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
as for videos, a playlist, that's commonly recommended here is this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
rancid fractal
okayy
upbeat bobcat
but one of my relatives suggested me to learn atleast the basics of programing t...
so you are doing because of your relatives or you like it?
rancid fractal
lemme check themm
rancid fractal
so you are doing because of your relatives or you like it?
i mean its just like learning english for me
i don't really care
but it'd be useful to know it lol
vocal basin
this but filtered by beginner+free
https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/?payment-tiers=free&difficulty=beginner
upbeat bobcat
as for videos, a playlist, that's commonly recommended here is this:
https://www...
It is not old?
rancid fractal
this but filtered by beginner+free
https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/?paym...
oh thanksss
that'll surely help ig
vocal basin
It is not old?
it is
vocal basin
simple stuff has mostly stayed same
upbeat bobcat
oh ok
rancid fractal
as for videos, a playlist, that's commonly recommended here is this:
https://www...
yep i'm able to understand him well
thankss a lott
lets begin the journeyy lol
vocal basin
for a more interactive/varied experience there is
https://realpython.com/
rancid fractal
for a more interactive/varied experience there is
https://realpython.com/
they're free?
rancid fractal
oh okayy
upbeat bobcat
ig it is free
vocal basin
idk about the site in general
I think there are some paid parts
rancid fractal
I think there are *some* paid parts
nope
its paid lol
half of it
ig i'll stick to youtubee
i mean i'll spend on courses later if i'm really interested in thiss
vocal basin
I've never taken paid python courses before
upbeat bobcat
there is alot of content that is free
upbeat bobcat
you dont have to pay anything
rancid fractal
you dont have to pay anything
okayy
vocal basin
imo just building different stuff with Python will give more knowledge than many paid courses
!kindling
wise cargoBOT
rancid fractal
hii
why's my python in black and white
and the youtuber has got colors to itt
the colors make it much simplerr
how do i do that?
vocal basin
the python interpreter itself doesn't have syntax highlighting
whereas IDEs and some text editors do
stark river
install prettier extension
rancid fractal
hii
didn't catch on
could you repeat?
ide?
yepp
i leart thatt
okayy
the input and output are b&w
vocal basin
and the youtuber has got colors to itt
first video from the playlists shows, as an example, the following editors/IDEs:
IDLE, PyCharm, Sublime Text
rancid fractal
vs code?
i've got thatt
nope
oh okayy
lemee try it
yeah kinda
the vs code is colorful now
ooohh
the thing didn't connect to python
it connected to the terminal for now
the vs code is showing terminal
it isn't in python
yeah
go onn
cedar mason
rancid fractal
make that in where?
cedar mason
rancid fractal
how do i connect python with vs code
upbeat bobcat
download python extension
rancid fractal
oh o k a y
rancid fractal
download python extension
i didd
upbeat bobcat
then it should work
rancid fractal
guyss i gtg its 12 here
gn
meet you guys tomorrow?
i'll look up some tutorials
thankss cyberr
you too mtr
upbeat bobcat
Ok gn
rancid fractal
idk deleted py just now
i'll reinstall it
i downloaded it in my pendrive by mistake
will download it in c drive tomorrow
upbeat bobcat
btw I am from Pakistan
upbeat bobcat
abi kahan raat hoi ha
rancid fractal
alr gn guyss
upbeat bobcat
ok gn
brb
back
what programming languages do you know?
when you started python?
When you were 13 year old?
oh I was confirming what you said
Ok I will not ask sorry
ok bye
somber heath
@unreal lion 👋
slender plover
Why do I have no permission to speak vc?
u need to be 3 days in the server atleast
i think
unreal lion
u need to be 3 days in the server atleast
Ohhh
somber heath
Why do I have no permission to speak vc?
slender plover
50 non-deleted messages in channels other than the bot command channels
Joined more than 3 days ago
Active for at least three different ten-minute blocks
unreal lion
He said you sent less than 50 messages
slender plover
guess u did then
unreal lion
You are not currently eligible to use voice inside Python Discord for the following reasons:
- You have sent less than 50 messages.
slender plover
u have 10 it says
thats like obstacle 1
if u got that then u go to the next one
maybe it wokrs like that
unreal lion
You are not currently eligible to use voice inside Python Discord for the follow...
It's show in voice verification
slender plover
39 more to go
unreal lion
Okay
slender plover
oh u already in here for a while
so ye i think u just need the messages done then
then u should be oke. dont take me up on that tho
somber heath
@knotty hornet 👋
knotty hornet
<@1177013332390182922> 👋
Thx
unreal lion
Why can't I send you a direct message? @somber heath
somber heath
Why can't I send you a direct message? <@317279909112446976>
Because I've my settings such that I need to be Discord friends with them for that to work.
unreal lion
Because I've my settings such that I need to be Discord friends with them for th...
Ohh
somber heath
I accept friend requests on an exceptional basis only.
unreal lion
I accept friend requests on an exceptional basis only.
So can you send me a friend request?
unreal lion
Because I have a doubt and I don't wanna tell here that's why.
somber heath
Will you say why you don't want to disclose your question publicly?
@wheat schooner 👋
wheat schooner
Will you say why you don't want to disclose your question publicly?
I have no a question.
wheat schooner
<@492357889336279071> 👋
Hello my friend.
wheat schooner
I have no a question.
Oh no. I think it is not my question 😂
unreal lion
Will you say why you don't want to disclose your question publicly?
I have a question?
somber heath
I have a question?
You said you have a "doubt", which I understand is a very Indian way of saying "question".
wheat schooner
How are you? @somber heath
wheat schooner
https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057
It's a miracle you're okay with all these fires.
vocal basin
"Rust wrapper around C wrapper around C++" or whatever
like docs.rs/zmq
I should contribute to this
https://github.com/alexheretic/linked-hash-set
it's been dead for four years
rugged root
Just fork it
vocal basin
already doing
rugged root
🍴
vocal basin
does Haskell count
vocal basin
the feature I need from linked-hash-set is Drain
Drain: Debug can't be implemented because linked-hash-map's Drain doesn't provide a method to access items without taking ownership
Nim compiler triggers AV software, that's all I know
rugged root
Typical
iterator oddNumbers[Idx, T](a: array[Idx, T]): T =
for x in a:
if x mod 2 == 1:
yield x
deep forge
type
Person = object
name: string
age: Natural # Ensures the age is positive
@boreal basalt 👋
vocal basin
Nim compiler triggers AV software, that's all I know
try to guess by this what it's used for
rugged root
for person in people:
# Type-safe string interpolation,
# evaluated at compile time.
echo(fmt"{person.name} is {person.age} years old")
I get why it does it this way
But I don't like it
vocal basin
!e
print(fr"for real")
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
for real
Ah yes, the French strings
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
def _():
rm -fr""
```
:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
it parses
rugged root
wat
dusk raven
vocal basin
!e
def _():
rm -fr"" / --no-preserve-root
:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
!e
def a():
rm -fr"" / --no-preserve-root
a()
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 | a()
004 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in a
005 | rm -fr"" / --no-preserve-root
006 | ^^
007 | NameError: name 'rm' is not defined
somber heath
@marsh ginkgo 👋
rugged root
ed causes ed
rugged root
Check the #voice-verification channel, that'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
marsh ginkgo
yeah i gotta be here three days
vocal basin
ed causes ed
endefined dehaviour
rugged root
And you can still be in the VC and talk in here
marsh ginkgo
ok then
rugged root
That'll get your message count up naturally and there's plenty of folks who prefer to just type instead of talk
marsh ginkgo
wish i could at least show whats goin wrong :(
vocal basin
Sublime Merge is good
marsh ginkgo
yep
here one sec
def pitch(frequency, time, Fs=44100):
frequency = notes[frequency]
samples = np.arange(44100 * time) / 44100.0
wave = 10000 * np.sin(2 * np.pi * frequency * samples)
wav_wave = np.array(wave, dtype=np.int16)
return wav_wave
sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
that works
deep forge
def pitch(frequency, time, Fs=44100):
frequency = notes[frequency]
samples = np.arange(44100 * time) / 44100.0
wave = 10000 * np.sin(2 * np.pi * frequency * samples)
wav_wave = np.array(wave, dtype=np.int16)
return wav_wave
sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
!e
def pitch(frequency, time, Fs=44100):
frequency = notes[frequency]
samples = np.arange(44100 * time) / 44100.0
wave = 10000 * np.sin(2 * np.pi * frequency * samples)
wav_wave = np.array(wave, dtype=np.int16)
return wav_wave
sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
'''py
wise cargoBOT
!e
```py
def pitch(frequency, time, Fs=44100):
frequency = notes[frequency]
...
:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
003 | sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
004 | ^^
005 | NameError: name 'sd' is not defined. Did you mean: 'id'?
ah
vocal basin
I found an mdbook thing in Nim docs lol
marsh ginkgo
def _riff(frequency, times, Fs=44100):
# Play Do-Re-Me
frequency = input()
times = input()
noteselect = notes[frequency]
wave = riff(noteselect, times, Fs)
sd.play(wave, Fs)
sd.wait()
return wave
this doesnt work
im not sure why
says frequency, then notes, then noteselct are all not defined
also I have an index for note frequencies
rugged root
Can you toss the error and traceback in here?
marsh ginkgo
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/Users/baseb/Downloads/sing2.py", line 205, in <module>
_riff(noteselect, times)
NameError: name 'noteselect' is not defined
have you saved the file
marsh ginkgo
yeah
vocal basin
also yeah, a different line
vocal basin
```py
def _riff(frequency, times, Fs=44100):
# Play Do-Re-Me
frequency =...
this is not the code that errors
marsh ginkgo
im just trying to make it play one note first
rugged root
!paste
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
```py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/Users/baseb/Downloads/sing2....
remove both arguments when you call it?
since you initialise them inside
marsh ginkgo
and times
rugged root
vocal basin
```py
def _riff(Fs=44100):
```
if you do intend on calling input from _riff
vocal basin
you're defining those variables inside the function
you don't need to provide them as arguments
rugged root
def _riff(Fs=44100):
i wanna be able to input like
A4, D4, E4
for notes
and then
2, 1, 2 for times
and have it play all that
then finally i gotta use that to make it play the funkytown riff lol
vocal basin
first get it to work with one note and one duration
vocal basin
converting to many is just split+zip
marsh ginkgo
tho i have to run that function every time and manually input it in the code
ive been on this shit for
like
3 hours
rugged root
!e
notes = "A4 D4 E4"
times = "2 1 2"
notes_list = notes.split(" ")
times_list = times.split(" ")
for pair in zip(notes_list, times_list):
print(pair)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | ('A4', '2')
002 | ('D4', '1')
003 | ('E4', '2')
ah
vocal basin
"guess how the notes are handled then"
constants, dozens of constants
it's a dictionary anyway
globals() is a proper dictionary
marsh ginkgo
wait
vocal basin
locals() -- not always
marsh ginkgo
ok so i got that kind of to work
vocal basin
locals() is a bit of a fake dictionary
vocal basin
!e
def f():
print(type(locals()))
f()
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
<class 'dict'>
notes = {
"C0": 16.35,
"C#0": 17.32,
"Db0": 17.32,
and so on
me?
def _riff(frequency, times, Fs=44100):
# Play Do-Re-Me
nots = "A4 D4 E4"
times = "2 1 2"
notes_list = nots.split(" ")
times_list = times.split(" ")
noteselect = notes[notes_list]
for pair in zip(notes_list, times_list):
print(pair)
#frequency = input()
#times = input()
#noteselect = notes[frequency]
wave = riff(noteselect, times, Fs)
sd.play(wave, Fs)
sd.wait()
return wave
sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
_riff(noteselect, times_list, 44100)
it keeps giving me the noteselect not defined
vocal basin
!e
```py
def f():
print(type(locals()))
f()
```
#bot-commands message
I was making a thing
marsh ginkgo
the fuck
marsh ginkgo
('A4', '2')
('D4', '1')
('E4', '2')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/Users/baseb/Downloads/sing2.py", line 212, in <module>
_riff()
File "C:/Users/baseb/Downloads/sing2.py", line 204, in _riff
wave = riff(notes_list, times, Fs)
NameError: name 'riff' is not defined. Did you mean: '_riff'?
move() that dels the variable
vocal basin
time to dig through PyCharm projects to find the thing
vocal basin
meanwhile, another rendered stuff (because that's the latest project I had open)
rugged root
ill do more suffering later
Catch you later
vocal basin
typical me project names
vocal basin
universal plug'n'play'n'play'n'n'play'play'play
compile + eval -- useful
for loading/packaging
@rugged root have lyrics so incomprehensive you can't get distracted by them
rugged root
Tempting
deep forge
vocal basin
the f machine learning
vocal basin
the entire Docker Hub just got blocked lmao
amber raptor
the entire Docker Hub just got blocked lmao
Yea, I've heard rumors that US Gov is taking the position that providing any service to Russians (Free or not) is "doing business"
vocal basin
GET HTTP requests are "doing business" now
primal shadow
Such is the joy of geopolitics
Companies gotta abide by local laws
Serving requests can easily qualify as "doing business", generally we don't host things for free, we serve hoping to get
vocal basin
Docker is obliged to ban access from Crimea
Docker bans access from Russia instead
"as such, Docker claims Crimea is Russian,
therefore Docker supports putin"
primal shadow
You can read whatever you want between any lines you see
vocal basin
Docker is obliged to ban access from Crimea
Docker bans access from Russia inste...
(I will continue making that joke because it's funny)
primal shadow
I don't get the joke
vocal basin
Docker uses this for region blocks if anyone's wondering:
https://www.maxmind.com/
primal shadow
neat company
Wonder if the Charity is the CEO's pet project
https://www.maxmind.com/en/company/charitable-giving according to this
amber raptor
Docker is obliged to ban access from Crimea
Docker bans access from Russia inste...
US Government bans from "Occupied Territories of Crimea" (US Government language)
vocal basin
Docker names it "Republic of Crimea"
primal shadow
US Government bans from "Occupied Territories of Crimea" (US Government language...
?
I see occupied territories of Crimea Ukraine 🤦♂️
vocal basin
Docker names it "Republic of Crimea"
which is modern Russian name for it
primal shadow
Where?
vocal basin
where what
primal shadow
Does Docker call it that?
vocal basin
Docker's 403 response contains that
as far as I understand it's Docker's writing specifically
not maxmind's
primal shadow
Well, they must support Putin, that's the only explanation.
But they must follow US law, so that is what it is
vocal basin
Docker uses this for region blocks if anyone's wondering:
https://www.maxmind.co...
(uses as in pulls data from them)
deep forge
I do feel for the people who are the receiving end of the consequences for politics.
vocal basin
US Government bans from "Occupied Territories of Crimea" (US Government language...
also, as far as I understand the intention of the law, blanket-banning all of RU/BY makes it less effective than targeting certain territories specifically
so companies just opt for easier implementation of the block, undermining everything else
wise loom
somber heath
@delicate tide 👋
delicate tide
@somber heath hey
somber heath
@sly sapphire 👋
delicate tide
i can't talk i haven't sent 50 messages
watching this rn
what a brilliant man
getting 50 messages
i've been thinking about that lately
we expand out mental abilities by figuring out problems just within our grasp
things that challenge us and require we become more intelligent
vocal basin
docker support response times so far:
19 minutes, useless answer
13 minutes, useful answer
57 minutes, useless answer
56 minutes, still waiting
somber heath
@drifting plover 👋
vocal basin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
drifting plover
oh
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @drifting plover until <t:1717033825:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).
The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.
vocal basin
peak siren
delicate tide
how many messages do i got
im trying to figure out how to authenticate with github
vocal basin
link github account to existing account? login into some service with github? enable github auth on your website?
delicate tide
link github account to existing account? login into some service with github? en...
use the cli, i think i'm figuring it out though
delicate tide
have a very ambitious project i want to make
really?
i thought the CLI was what all the elite hackers user
it is a little hard to find documentation for what i want from the official site
vocal basin
GitHub CLI, as some alledge, is a bit suboptimal as a user experience
delicate tide
how many messages do i have
vocal basin
!user in #bot-commands
wise cargoBOT
You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.
delicate tide
hi
whole bear
Yes Hello guys ! 🙂
brisk bridge
hi
chilly helm
hello
tidal parcel
<@896595220320374785> 👋
hii
brisk bridge
how's weather in your country? very hot here
nearly 35deg in my place
me from india
ye in nepal
nvm but british were thieves , lol
somber heath
@marsh ginkgo 👋
marsh ginkgo
hi
im suffering greatly
this is my third try from scratch for this final project
one sec lemme get the base code
!paste
wise cargoBOT
marsh ginkgo
notes = {
"C0": 16.35,
"C#0": 17.32,
"Db0": 17.32,
this is an example of the index im using for the notes
its really long so thats just 3
polyphony?
like multiple notes?
thats something i have to figure out as well xD
god i wish i could speak UGH
so basically
i am trying to make it where I can INPUT the notes and times for each note when I run the code
i have a working pitch function
one sec
def pitch(frequency, time, Fs=44100):
frequency = notes[frequency]
samples = np.arange(44100 * time) / 44100.0
wave = 10000 * np.sin(2 * np.pi * frequency * samples)
wav_wave = np.array(wave, dtype=np.int16)
return wav_wave
to play it:
sd.play(pitch('A4', 1, 44100), blocking=True)
i need to do the funkytown riff lmfao
@somber heath
not been in here long enough
say that again
marsh ginkgo
```py
notes = {
"C0": 16.35,
"C#0": 17.32,
"Db0": 17.32,
```
this
its drawing from that
so i dont have to put the actual frequency for each note
howe
oh i should say i know barely anything about coding im doin this for a GE
lol
tidal parcel
brb
marsh ginkgo
yeah i think so
basically like
frequency is drawing from the note index and that index gives the frequency
def pitch(notes, time, Fs=44100):
notes = frequencies[notes]
samples = np.arange(44100 * time) / 44100.0
wave = 10000 * np.sin(2 * np.pi * frequency * samples)
wav_wave = np.array(wave, dtype=np.int16)
return wav_wave
like that
darn
tall ridge
i thought the CLI was what all the elite hackers user
The git CLI is what the "elite hackers" use. The gh CLI is the shiny new object that github is promoting.
somber heath
@void snow 👋
opal rock
earnest crag
void snow
<@650157642165125132> 👋
👋
upbeat bobcat
@whole bear hi
upbeat bobcat
i only know the basics
same
upbeat bobcat
x = 5 print("x)"
syntax error
wise cargoBOT
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
x
yes
upbeat bobcat
x = 5 print("x")
still have error if you want to print 5
upbeat bobcat
can teach me using screen share?
I dont have permission to share screen
whole bear
no like call me
upbeat bobcat
what you want to know?
upbeat bobcat
@whole bear hi
stark river
somber heath
@wide flicker 👋
wide flicker
Hi
whole bear
<@456226577798135808> hi
hi
somber heath
@hollow jackal 👋
peak depot
karmic obsidian
I am having trouble with this piece of code...
oh 😂 can't even upload the code or paste it
anw
it's hard to explain
open to get help
vocal basin
oh, wait, it's not Celsius
stoic remnant
👋 @somber heath
peak depot
karmic obsidian
@somber heath hey do you have any suggestion to implement chating feature integerated with llms ?
I am using pure socket right now
and I am facing problems
somber heath
karmic obsidian
https://tenor.com/view/cymbals-monkey-brain-the-simpsons-homer-empty-head-gif-15...
I am in the same situation as you rn
peak depot
karmic obsidian
but I don't have any other choice coz I am in this sick loop of solving that problem
somber heath
Like I said, not a great time to ask me things
karmic obsidian
Like I said, not a *great* time to ask me things
ok boss
is there anyone in the vc who could help me?
karmic obsidian
<@317279909112446976> hey do you have any suggestion to implement chating featur...
here is the problem
willow light
https://github.com/khoj-ai/khoj well that's cool, a llm-based project I might actually use.
can't use voice rn, in a cafe
I ordered quite a bit
So as it turns out the storm drain in the parking lot at this cafe is completely borked. the puddle is currently 7 inches deep. Had to get my big boots out.
karmic obsidian
https://github.com/khoj-ai/khoj well that's cool, a llm-based project I might ac...
so this a single AI agent isn't it ? which has those cool features of web search and all that?
isn't it
willow light
yeah but I'd use it to query my own notes and docs
karmic obsidian
yeah but I'd use it to query my own notes and docs
oh cool
willow light
karmic obsidian
yeah kill that ant
willow light
wicked bad flooding in the parking lot, and my car is very low to the ground
hydroplaned while trying to park
taking notes on this convo because I am thinking of getting hormone therapy to transition (partially, since I'm enby I want an androgynous body)
with surgery ofc
although i won't be able to get pregnant
That actually sounds pretty good
speak for yourself I'd try that
excellent source of electrolytes and cools you down too
Okay hear me out, what if we pickle serrano peppers and put that in the kool aid?
I'd do that but with almond butter since I'm allergic to peanuts
almond butter, fluffernutter, and apple cider vinegar let's go
hang on, is a man trying to explain pregnancy cravings to a woman?
@rugged root the trick is to have the leech get into gardening
Men, when it comes to woman things, we need to sit down, listen, and learn.
backpedal harder dude
exotic moss
what did i join in on 👁️
willow light
what did i join in on 👁️
equality
exotic moss
willow light
@stark river you do realize I'm memeing right
willow light
YOU WHAT
HOW
HOW DID YOU DO THAT
HOW
No I'm already distracted, how do you get math notation in python like that?
exotic moss
rocks
stark river
taking notes on this convo because I am thinking of getting hormone therapy to t...
i have questions about what is hormone therapy... first one.. is it safe for the human body?
willow light
very safe
stark river
how sure are we? we as in all medical professionals
rugged root
Our body is having highly varied hormone levels all the time, sometimes to extreme levels. Things we eat affect our levels as well
upper basin
When has messing with hormone levels been safe?
willow light
when has it not?
upper basin
It controls almost every bodily function.
peak depot
sex hormones don´t control anything
upper basin
when has it not?
Almost every single time I've seens someone undergo it.
upper basin
sex hormones don´t control anything
You're saying testosterone doesn't control any bodily functions?
stark river
is it safe? or is it something that we will find out in 50 years oh no it's not safe at all
willow light
Almost every single time I've seens someone undergo it.
I take it you've never needed an epipen then
upper basin
I take it you've never needed an epipen then
No, but that's allergies.
willow light
No, but that's allergies.
epinephrine is a hormone
peak depot
adrenaline is hormone
stark river
i mean is it the modern equivalent of using leeches to cure people in medieval times?.. or is it settled as safe once and for all?
upper basin
Hormone therapy I understand as for instance testosterone.
peak depot
You're saying testosterone doesn't control any bodily functions?
not your breathing, heartbeat or anything needed for living
willow light
@rugged root speaking of which, did you see the new eink tablet? no blue light, apparently.
this convo has me excited for how #python-discussion is going to be on June 1
upper basin
Testosterone is most often associated with sex drive and plays a vital role in sperm production. It also affects bone and muscle mass, the way men store fat in the body, and even red blood cell production.
peak depot
upper basin
And from people who've had it, it also messes with metabolism, sleep, and even digestion.
willow light
No one ever said that transitioning is easy.
It's more a case of the benefits outweigh the risks on a case-by-case basis. In my case, I have decided that it's worth it.
I'm nonbinary, I am both and neither male and female, so I want my body to reflect that.
upper basin
I'm nonbinary, I am both and neither male and female, so I want my body to refle...
Not to be rude, but how would that work out?
Isn't transition usually male to female or female to male?
willow light
Not to be rude, but how would that work out?
I'll become the femboy that everyone wants
upper basin
I don't get how you can make it be in the middle.
fresh carbon
Look up the definition of "androgynous"
willow light
I'm aiming for an androgynous body. If I can get both sets of genitals, even better, but I don't think any doctor would actually let me do that.
fresh carbon
thats possible
upper basin
Look up the definition of "androgynous"
That seems more like cosmetic surgery, like breast implants or removal.
Not physically making the body be in the middle.
Like on the hormonal level. Not appearance-wise.
fresh carbon
That's what androgynous is
upper basin
You can have a male body but with cosmetic surgery look like a lady.
willow light
....it's hard to explain. kinda like how it's hard to explain what it's like to be bisexual.
fresh carbon
thats possible
Look up "Salmacian"
upper basin
....it's hard to explain. kinda like how it's hard to explain what it's like to ...
Well not really? Bisexual is more of sexual identity, not physical identity.
You are born a man (a male human), but you can identify as bisexual.
But to be physically in a superposition of male and female seems hard to grasp for me.
fresh carbon
Very narrow way of thinking
fresh carbon
I suppose it could be difficult to grasp but at the same time having that open mind for people who do understand and desire it is important
sour willow
i thought noodle left or something lol
upper basin
I get male to female and female to male, but not male to male-female.
fresh carbon
Is it so bad to not wanna be solidly on either side
upper basin
That would make being both male and female a physical state, which I feel is not the case since our bodies are binary physically speaking.
fresh carbon
Not with HRT they're not
willow light
Please, I don't want male-female, I am above such limits of labels.
fresh carbon
That's the magic
willow light
That would make being both male and female a physical state, which I feel is not...
that is such a cis take lol
upper basin
Please, I don't want male-female, I am above such limits of labels.
You said both male and female. I don't know how to refer to it.
willow light
You said both male and female. I don't know how to refer to it.
it's an approximation
upper basin
that is such a cis take lol
I am cis, so that's accurate?
peak depot
they_are_not_binary. human body is not that simble
willow light
It isn't complex or intricate, but it is political because some people are scared of that which they do not understand.
whole bear
i wish i was in this date :}
now = date.today()
now
datetime.date(2003, 12, 2)
willow light
So they decide that if they don't understand it, it must be bad.
upper basin
It's hard to discuss because by simply stating simple facts about biology it seems like you're offending groups of people when you don't mean to. I was personally trying to learn.
peak depot
willow light
"When one is used to a life of privilege, any attempt at equality is seen as oppression"
upper basin
"When one is used to a life of privilege, any attempt at equality is seen as opp...
If this is referring to me, I don't follow.
fresh carbon
You're still wrong is the issue
Bodies derive their state from your hormones as you grow older, but undergoing HRT can alter and almost entirely change that (excepting sexual organs, but there are now-common surgeries for such), making it not factual that it's a binary system of the human body, but can be altered
willow light
anyhoo back to the strawberry crepe and reimplementing git in go
upper basin
Guys, I need some data to do the optimization. Can you let me know what ping you're getting right now from your respective countries?
- US - 252
- UK - 199 ms
- Malaysia - 67 ms (where I am)
- Finland - 16 ms
- India -
- Australia -
peak depot
16ms (was 32ms before)
deep forge
UK - 8ms
hasty shore
2203 ms to Mars Capital 🙂
sturdy panther
I think this is lying:
india9766
Average ping: 0 ms
upper basin
I think this is lying:
india9766
Average ping: 0 ms
Are you in india?
sturdy panther
UK.
sturdy panther
This one?
chilly helm
Hello human beings... I hope.
deep forge
udp.port >= 50000 && udp.port <= 65535
Ports used by Discord VCs.
Germany -> India = 155ms
sturdy panther
Wait... was my mic on?
upper basin
I'll have to get more data for each of the possible servers until the next week (it'd be frustrating for others if we switch servers now, though it would help things get done faster).
deep forge
I'll have to get more data for each of the possible servers until the next week ...
There must be a way to ping from virtually every country.
upper basin
So, once I get the data, I'll do a graph optimization and see which server is optimal for all users. I'll be mindful of outliers where all other users are fine except one, and ensure that the ping for everyone is manageable.
upper basin
There must be a way to ping from virtually every country.
I don't know how to do it on discord to be honest. Usually I'd use a VPN to see.
I think max ping that's intelligble is around 300?
upper basin
Kieran can you help me fill these tables then please?
India:
- US - 252 ms
- UK - 199 ms
- Germany - 155 ms
- Malaysia - 67 ms
- Finland -
- India - 10 ms
- Australia -
Singapore:
- US -
- UK -
- Germany -
- Malaysia -
- Finland -
- India -
- Australia -
Japan:
- US -
- UK -
- Germany -
- Malaysia -
- Finland -
- India -
- Australia -
Hong Kong:
- US -
- UK -
- Germany -
- Malaysia -
- Finland -
- India -
- Australia -
Sydney:
- US -
- UK -
- Germany -
- Malaysia -
- Finland -
- India -
- Australia -
Rotterdam:
- US -
- UK -
- Germany -
- Malaysia -
- Finland - 16 ms
- India -
- Australia -
Kieran what were you saying?
Greetings Rabbit.
upbeat bobcat
Why my ping is high in this VC than the VC 1?
sturdy panther
Were you the first person to join there?
upbeat bobcat
Were you the first person to join there?
In VC 1?
sturdy panther
Yea.
twilit forge
does any one know and wed pages where i can find like exercises to help me get better at coding
sturdy panther
Switching causes everyone to disconnect to reconnect though.
upbeat bobcat
does any one know and wed pages where i can find like exercises to help me get b...
you can check edabit.com
amber raptor
Why my ping is high in this VC than the VC 1?
each voice chat can have different servers/locations
upbeat bobcat
each voice chat can have different servers/locations
which location this vc have?
amber raptor
🤷
upper basin
which location this vc have?
This vc has India server. Location is where you are.
upbeat bobcat
I am close to India
twilit forge
you can check edabit.com
is it free
amber raptor
Discord has auto voice chat server option
upbeat bobcat
why my ping is high?
amber raptor
so I guess it thought india was good idea, problem is changing servers disconnects everyone
upbeat bobcat
is it free
yes ig
upper basin
I am close to India
It also depends on the country you are. There's countries which have good internet cables, and those which have bad ones.
upper basin
so I guess it thought india was good idea, problem is changing servers disconnec...
No we chose India manually.
upbeat bobcat
It also depends on the country you are. There's countries which have good intern...
I am from Pakistan
amber raptor
Who is we?
amber raptor
why would hemlock lock to India? That's terrible option
sturdy panther
There we go. Makes more sense now.
india9766
Average ping: 151 ms
molten pewter
amber raptor
http://cityextremes.com/averagedistance.php
sure but while this server is global, the voice chat is rarely global (vast vast majority are NA, European, India IMO)
upbeat bobcat
VC 1 have which server?
molten pewter
Kazakstan has terrible internet.
amber raptor
VC 1 have which server?
Connect and look
upbeat bobcat
Connect and look
where?
tranquil shoal
Guys for some reason I am muted
amber raptor
!voiceverify
wise cargoBOT
tranquil shoal
Can someone unmute me
rugged root
VC 1 have which server?
Rotterdam is what it is currently connected to
rugged root
Can someone unmute me
See the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
upbeat bobcat
I have 150 ms in Rotterdam
urban abyss
168ms in god's country
tranquil shoal
See the <#764802555427029012> channel. That'll tell you what you need to know a...
It says I have an active voice infraction
rugged root
Ah yes indeed. If you want to appeal your infraction send a DM to the @rapid crown bot
We can talk it out there
tranquil shoal
Ah yes indeed. If you want to appeal your infraction send a DM to the <@6830013...
Done
rugged root
@tranquil shoal We are getting some background noise, so you might want to mute between talking, though
Or turn on Krisp
tranquil shoal
Or turn on Krisp
Ok will do that
amber raptor
<@927893607850061826> We are getting some background noise, so you might want to...
boooo
rugged root
Yes yes, I know
amber raptor
@rugged root
willow light
<@98195144192331776>
The most effective form of pest control. Period.
this is what happens when I don't open the mac for a few months. sooo many homebrew packages that need updating.
horizontal rocket jump, isnt't that just damage surfing?
I usually surf on other players' damage. because I am a healslut.
oh helldivers, I see. yeah, that's fun. I enjoy playing a slideshow.
I get better FPS with Myst than on Helldivers.
amber raptor
I get better FPS with Myst than on Helldivers.
I mean, two different games?
willow light
I mean, two different games?
I was making a joke about the fact that I get one frame every four seconds.
My graphics card sucks, and I do want to upgrade it. For multiple reasons.
Definitely switching off nvidia when I switch the OS from Windows 10 to Linux on the gaming tower, when I convert it into a console for the TV.
"Oh you work with tech? Can you fix my printer?"
"Yes, throw it out and just do your printing at the public library instead."
99% of the time whenever a relative is having printer trouble, it's because they're using an HP inkjet.
vocal basin
I still can't run OpenIndiana desktop because I don't have a computer with nvidia gpu in it
another day living happy life without experimenting with dead-ish OSes
willow light
The OS I decided on is SteamOS, with desktop mode using Sway WM
In my experience, wayland doesn't play nice with nvidia
yes I add chorizo to my soups.
sometimes I'll use it as a substitute for ground pork when making tacos
or I'll add it to my bolognese when I want to be fancy
@deep forge you should try adding a little to a meatsauce for pasta. it's wicked good.
depends on the oil
I tried it once, and ended up needing both a new stove and microwave.
and a fresh coat of paint in the entire apartment
can I get that in Rankines?
imagine using only one temperature scale
And to think if it weren't for ronald reagan, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
since he's the one that stopped the US from switching to metric.
vocal basin
wasn't one of early scales with boiling at 0, freezing at 100
willow light
Fahrenheit built his scale around the lowest temperature he could reliably reproduce, and his wife's body temperature as 100.
A good approximation I use is that every 5 C is approximately every 10 F. It is useful for 99.9% of lived human experience.
vocal basin
wasn't one of early scales with boiling at 0, freezing at 100
as in what Celsius, the person, used
willow light
"How large is your monitor measured in fathoms?"
short owl
can you get a monitor for $300 ? 4k , 55 inch , RCA
asians demand latest greatest tech toys
amber raptor
asians demand latest greatest tech toys
they may not have the money
willow light
we're the biggest market both in waist and waste
amber raptor
I'm talking the luxury market
willow light
Is there a standard size for a tatami mat?
amber raptor
like it's why iPhone was launched in US/Canada first
amber raptor
Yes, I get cranky when documentation is REALLY good and right there for reading: https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/channel#modify-channel
willow light
Yup, the drainage here is borked
willow light
That's the parking lot at the cafe
stark river
gonna eat a 🍩 now.. after 6 months ....(and will probably regret it on the scales tomorrow mornin)
rugged root
!pypi Cython
wise cargoBOT
upper basin
!e
dictionary = {"a": 3, "b": 1, "c":2}
print(min(dictionary, key=dictionary.get))
:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
b
A.C.E : "I'm so lonelyyyy, I got nobodyyyy, I am all aloneee..."
- After Hemlock told someone else he loves them
gentle flint
rugged root
short owl
oddysey thats way back in time
mmm is ther a 6502 in there ? or is t before
did some research for 6502 vid games
6502 , Z80 , x , y , z ???
rugged root
sour willow
yo wassup rabbit, plome, magic
cerulean shard
guys
im confuzzled
I keep getting import erros
like none of them work
in vs code)
short owl
meowy meowy @peak depot
rugged root
@upper basin You working on anything in particular or just have the stream on?
short owl
NES games can be coded with a bunch of tools and emulators now - was gonna try it , sorta @rugged root
upper basin
<@664667836605661217> You working on anything in particular or just have the str...
Doing the server optimizer.
wise cargoBOT
peak depot
meowy meowy <@425552190283972608>
short owl
fuzzy being sleepy OR acting cutey by the food source ( im cute feed me ) @peak depot
peak depot
this one: acting cutey by the food source ( im cute feed me )
short owl
floofy ( long hair ) and fuzzy ( tortoise )
short owl
Floofy looks content - ready for a fierce .... nap @peak depot mi
peak depot
he wanted to play
short owl
sleepy time but not for kiitys
rancid fractal
hii
help meee
i wanna do the sum of an infinite gp
where it starts with 1/2
and the power of 2 goes from 1 to infinity
how do i do itt?
willow loom
maybe you can just email discord and ask how to get the same info from debug in the api
rugged root
Not a bad idea, I just wonder if it's hidden away from the bot api
amber raptor
upper basin
rugged root
Whatcha got for us?
whole bear
well l just started college for Comp scie
but am not sure what projects l need for my resume
upper basin
!projects
wise cargoBOT
whole bear
and my github
thank you
what you guys working on
okY
OHHHHH
so when u say ping u mean restrictions
limiting who can ping what
or its something different
like linking the chats so that the messages can appear in vc chat
twin pond
supp
whole bear
if its linking l might have an idea unless its a matter of the chat in vc just not working
oh its the oing delay that the problem right
upper basin
It's a matter of ping (latency) for various users based on their locations and the internet cables that connect them.
whole bear
got it l think l know the solution l will be back
deep forge
whole bear
hope its not a template
twin pond
https://careers.reef.pl/
whats this
whole bear
wat the fudge its a literall kinda ide
twin pond
linux damn
whole bear
this literally cmd replit
vocal basin
huh that actually feels a bit easier for me to navigate than normal sites
vocal basin
Cython is a bit odd in how it's behind/not behind Python features
rugged root
Very true
deep forge
What do I use to actually open the files?
vocal basin
yes, numpy uses Cython
whole bear
ok
wise cargoBOT
setup.py line 220
cffi_modules=["src/bindings/build.py:ffi"],```I keep forgetting PyNaCl exists
wise cargoBOT
pyproject.toml line 6
"cffi>=1.4.1; platform_python_implementation != 'PyPy'",```amazing library
also very useful to learn how to use cffi
whole bear
guys have u checked whether we are facing packet loss issues
short owl
py salt ?
whole bear
coz the ping might be very low but haing packet loss
short owl
whole bear
not everytime\
short owl
so many modules , not much time - big rock coming to earth , find your towel !!!
@rugged root
whole bear
okay if its not all that l talked of then the ping problem is because of user having hardware accelaration on
@upper basin
thats my conclusion but l will think of it more
frozen owl
library name: NaCl
pronounced: salt
distributed as: libsodium
this is neat
vocal basin
the number of containers I have on the server has just reached 82
I wonder how much is too much
also first time seeing swap actually getting used after the memory upgrade
vocal basin
I'm good at Rust and Rust is good for me (simpler for me to use than almost anything else)
fading mauve
@vernal bridgeyou sound like him
vocal basin
okay, I'll edit so you don't misread it
primal shadow
I assumed it was an opinion
not misreading anything, just not sure how it's simpler than Python
but we experience the world however we do, so I'm not here to invalidate anything
vocal basin
it being simpler for me is a fact not an opinion
primal shadow
That's how you feel
vocal basin
yes, because it's objectively true
primal shadow
🙂
vocal basin
smol
@rugged root epoll
smol isn't as much of a runtime/framework as tokio is
smol crate itself defines, like, a single function
everything else is just re-export of many tools to compose and run async pieces
@rugged root it's not runtime
it's an interface
(trait)
it's not the same thing
but closely related
also async!=asynchronous because languages have many specific notions of what async means
yeah, C/C++/Go for less deps
Go inherits that from C
and C/C++ are just bad at packaging so they have to be this way
it's funny how one of the worst languages for composing software, C, is basically the only way to compose it dynamically efficiently
just because it has an ABI
rugged root
ABI? Already built in?
vocal basin
clang/gcc do disagree on how it works but not that often
Rust gradually consumes better implementations from crates that try to improve on what standard library does
I'm not excited, the clients of the company I work for are (or at least the company hopes so)
((we do have "we write core components in Rust" as a selling point))
there's actually a second large part of people who do Rust
those who are tired of other languages being bad at times
(and not yet tired of compilation times)
Rust isn't going to get that much faster ever, I'd expect
language needs to be designed upfront for fast compilation
and make many sacrifices
no traits, no lifetimes, etc.
Zig focuses more on compile times than Rust, as far as I remember reading from docs
primal shadow
I love that Zig remains relevant
rugged root
I thought it was mainly a build tool
vocal basin
Zig, as a toolchain, is very powerful
primal shadow
I don't use it, just one of hte languages that I stumbled upon early in my journey and the name stuck and I've been following
it's just a fun name, and then I got to the site and find
love it
vocal basin
I'm not excited, the clients of the company I work for are (or at least the comp...
I've stopped being excited about things before I even looked into Rust in anyway
might as well start writing Java at this point if it's worth it
@rugged root
"can we agree on hating Oracle Solaris more than other OSes?"
still somehow supports AMD GPUs while OpenIndiana doesn't
as alleged by Oracle, at least
so, like, 1.2% true? 1.3% true?
rugged root
@deep forge Windows Key + X and open Windows Terminal as Admin (or PowerShell as Admin, whichever it shows)
sfc /scannow; dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth; sfc /scannow
wait I thought Snowden received Russian citizenship earlier than 2022
apparently not
vocal basin
hate is protected, inciting hate is not
deep forge
@rugged root My Nvidia Drivers were from 2022 
rugged root
To explain #voice-chat-text-0 message :
sfc is the system file checker. It'll verify and repair system files that it finds are corrupted.
dism is the deployment image servicing and management. It for managing the various images of Windows. In this case, it verifies the image of the windows that you're currently running to make sure there aren't any corrupted things there.