mdbook is what Rust book is built with
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
open-source alternative to gitbook
(gitbook used to be open-source but not anymore, afaik)
urban abyss
we do use 3rd party doc viewers that would support this most likely.
vocal basin
Rust's designed specifically to be reliable in terms of upgrades through time too
urban abyss
i've had the rust book sat next to me for months, should probably crack it open some time
vocal basin
Rust's designed specifically to be reliable in terms of upgrades through time to...
with the language getting into the niche of C programs that live for decades without modifications and still just work
dire pebble
@vocal basin Just a simple eval() function solved that problem btw, I just didn't know that.
dire pebble
eval is unsafe somewhat
Why?
vocal basin
arbitrary code execution
eh
I forgot what ast thing was called
!d ast.literal_eval
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
i've had the rust book sat next to me for months, should probably crack it open ...
You got a physical one?
vocal basin
use this instead of eval
urban abyss
You got a physical one?
yep, not a fan of reading for too long on a big screen
dire pebble
I also have seen this but what is the difference?
rugged root
yep, not a fan of reading for too long on a big screen
Fair. What version of Rust does it cover?
vocal basin
!e
eval("print(5)")
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
5
!e
import ast
ast.literal_eval("print(5)")
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | ast.literal_eval("print(5)")
004 | File "/lang/python/default/lib/python3.12/ast.py", line 112, in literal_eval
005 | return _convert(node_or_string)
006 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
007 | File "/lang/python/default/lib/python3.12/ast.py", line 111, in _convert
008 | return _convert_signed_num(node)
009 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
010 | File "/lang/python/default/lib/python3.12/ast.py", line 85, in _convert_signed_num
011 | return _convert_num(node)
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/GPUIFOKX2KM5P2GTF5AU6JCGR4
dire pebble
!e
```py
eval("print(5)")
```
Looks fine
vocal basin
!e
import ast
ast.literal_eval("5")
@near smelt We're here.
wise cargoBOT
@vocal basin :warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
I'm just back to being Mutelock since my co-worker is back here
vocal basin
Looks fine
it's not, because it allows executing arbitrary code
dire pebble
it's not, because it allows executing arbitrary code
What is an arbitrary code?
rugged root
Yeah normally I'm talking everyone's ears off but yeah
dire pebble
Also what do you define as a problem?
vocal basin
eval("steal_passwords()")
^ probably a problem
terse needle
hey
rugged root
@near smelt The PyDis Podcast
Where who the fuck knows what we're going to talk about
Oh I'm just saying VC
It can be.... interesting here
dire pebble
```py
eval("steal_passwords()")
```
^ probably a problem
I actually still don't get the difference
terse needle
I got a lisp parsed in your favourite language Hemlock https://github.com/jbutcher5/haskell-lisp
vocal basin
I actually still don't get the difference
ast.literal_eval only allows data
rugged root
True dat
Nah, not like that
I just don't like being rude and talking when they're here
vocal basin
eval("steal_passwords()") # calls steal_passwords()
ast.literal_eval("steal_passwords()") # raises an exception
stark river
i'm guessing the method only allows literals not functions
dire pebble
`ast.literal_eval` only allows data
Oh, so only the difference is this ast.literal_eval doesn't allow you to parse functions as strings. Is it like that?
rugged root
Okay that's actually really cool KJ
terse needle
https://tenor.com/3xVE.gif
the parser is so beautiful, I feel like I have reached monad enlightenment
stark river
how big are your monads?
vocal basin
JavaScript is Lisp
dire pebble
```py
eval("steal_passwords()") # calls steal_passwords()
ast.literal_eval("stea...
Okay, fair enough. But not a big deal for my local n self-beneficial project
rugged root
@terse needle Okay that's actually really elegant looking
Props
But ah
It's unpure, sooooooooooooooo
Have to take marks off for that
terse needle
it's a bitch to read but at least it looks nice
rugged root
Eh not that bad to read
I might just be getting too used to it, though
@urban abyss Your typin's coming through
I will end you
terse needle
It's unpure, sooooooooooooooo
IO is kind of impure but we just consider that the IO monad changes the state of the world itself
urban abyss
keychron q1
rugged root
IO is kind of impure but we just consider that the IO monad changes the state of...
That's a scary thought... I don't want my life to be controlled by a Haskell program
terse needle
IO is kind of impure but we just consider that the IO monad changes the state of...
One way of viewing the IO monad is to consider IO a as a computation which provides a value of type a while changing the state of the world by doing input and output. Obviously, you cannot literally set the state of the world; it is hidden from you, as the IO functor is abstract (that is, you cannot dig into it to see the underlying values, a situation unlike what we have seen in the case of Maybe).
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Understanding_monads/IO
rugged root
@whole bear Space ships?
terse needle
<@456226577798135808> Space ships?
phase shifts?
terse needle
In fairness, phase shifts sounds even more sci-fi
And here I present, my phase shift space ship
whole bear
terse needle
yeah it's cool, I use it
vocal basin
Oh speaking of space ships...
spaceship operator
amber raptor
<@113304266269003776> Rein it back old man
amber raptor
Microsoft 2FA handling
rugged root
@upper basin That's the one I was more familiar with
When it shifts between the different states of matter based on pressure and temp
Makes sense
That's anything
New terminology always trips stuff up
Whelp, my curiosity is going into stupid stuff again
Looking to see what shells work on windows
Like PowerShell does obviously
But curious about other ones
Things like Fish or bash, etc.
Yep
It's great
It's my goto on Linux
Yeah same actually
Oh dear god, I just realized what font they used on the site
Magnificent bastards
Comic Sans
But yeah, Fish is my fave
I probably won't replace powershell because I also love it
But I'm just curious now
Yeah, most of what I'm seeing is "Well you'd be using those in WSL, Cygwin, or MSYS2"
(not back yet, lots of folks asking me things at work)
stark river
😦 i need to make flatbread n i'm out of dough
stark river
real actual dough
rugged root
That's unfortunate
stuck furnace
I got a lisp parsed in your favourite language Hemlock https://github.com/jbutch...
Hey I found something that might interest you the other day. Apparently reddit was originally written in Common Lisp and the source is available on github: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit1.0/tree/master
terse needle
Hey I found something that might interest you the other day. Apparently reddit w...
This is awesome, I would like to get my feet wet with CL but I find the tooling and package managers awfully confusing
like CIDER just fucking works for me
rugged root
It is tasty
terse needle
SLY is so tempermental
urban abyss
bitter > all
rugged root
I just like things that taste good. I want to enjoy my drink as opposed to have to acquire a taste for it
terse needle
bitter > all
yk I never knew what a bitter was until now, I am right in thinking copper ale is a bitter
urban abyss
acquiring a taste for something is awesome though, imagine overcoming something that tastes like ass through sheel will
terse needle
I just like things that taste good. I want to enjoy my drink as opposed to have...
you drink tonic water by itself don't you or is that someone else, I'd call that an aquired taste
rugged root
you drink tonic water by itself don't you or is that someone else, I'd call that...
Fair point, you and I are strange in that regard
But I didn't even really acquire it, I always liked it
terse needle
fuck tonic water, taste like dusty tv static
I drink tonic water by itself... it's an aquired taste
rugged root
But I also love gin and tonics
urban abyss
I drink tonic water by itself... it's an aquired taste
it's taking me a while to acquire it
urban abyss
olives is one i'm overcoming
gentle flint
immediately acquired taste
urban abyss
so do i
rugged root
HA
gentle flint
olives is one i'm overcoming
try black olives, they're less strong
urban abyss
try black olives, they're less strong
i think i am 😄 putting in food is kinda cheating i guess ]
rugged root
If it's the only pizza there, I'll eat it
rugged root
Not huge on tuna
terse needle
olives is one i'm overcoming
olives on pizza are so good
gentle flint
what's your opinion on capers @rugged root
urban abyss
i have friends that have cucumber on their pizza
rugged root
Can't remember what those are
gentle flint
i have friends that have cucumber on their pizza
the fuck
rugged root
@still herald Sup
terse needle
i have friends that have cucumber on their pizza
what the fuck
urban abyss
ikr
rugged root
@upper basin Wrong person
urban abyss
ex friends
stuck furnace
immediately acquired taste
I've only really recently started enjoying bitter foods. I could never understand how my friend could enjoy drinking tonic water when I was younger 😄
rugged root
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/capers-glossary
I don't know if I've ever tried it, actually
vocal basin
amazing seeing "access denied" when trying to read an article starting with "why you can't"
gentle flint
I've only really recently started enjoying bitter foods. I could never understan...
I think it's something you like more when you're older
just like you stop liking very sweet things like white milk chocolate
stuck furnace
I think it's something you like more when you're older
just like you stop liking...
Yeah I think you get less sensitive to bitterness as you age.
gentle flint
when pure quinine sweets
vocal basin
amazing seeing "access denied" when trying to read an article starting with "why...
(I'm trying to figure out how hard it is to buy raw olives)
stuck furnace
Which I guess makes sense evolutionarily, because as you get older you can rely more on experience to decide what's safe to eat 🤔
gentle flint
(I'm trying to figure out how hard it is to buy raw olives)
they're quite disgusting raw
I really don't recommend it
terse needle
I think it's something you like more when you're older
just like you stop liking...
could never get into dark chocolate though, I'm not sure if people who like it actually like it or are masochists
gentle flint
I speak from personal experience
vocal basin
they're quite disgusting raw
now I want to buy them even more
gentle flint
could never get into dark chocolate though, I'm not sure if people who like it a...
90% is ok
break off a piece and put it in your mouth, then sip hot tea to slowly melt it
urban abyss
in before "don't put it in your nose"
terse needle
makes my nose hurt
you know youre supposed to eat it right
urban abyss
ha
terse needle
in before "don't put it in your nose"
ugh
urban abyss
gottem
gentle flint
could never get into dark chocolate though, I'm not sure if people who like it a...
don't try to just chomp it though, then it's unbearably bitter
urban abyss
elderflower is gross also
vocal basin
~~now I want to buy them even more~~
as for canned ones, I guess I just ate them often enough as a kid, so I don't really get the distaste for them
terse needle
nah its fine
vocal basin
could never get into dark chocolate though, I'm not sure if people who like it a...
around 98~99% is where the real masochism starts
urban abyss
do people eat the 99% shit?? that's for putting in cakes and chilli imo
rugged root
Oh the tree bark?
dire pebble
How can I have permission to share my screen?
rugged root
Just have to ask. At first, it's on an as needed basis
Then as we get more comfortable with folks we'll give them a 3 week probationary period where they have the perm for that amount of time. After that, if they've shown to be responsible, they'll get perma
vocal basin
around 98~99% is where the real masochism starts
same amount of nausea for way less calories -- what a deal
urban abyss
lol
rugged root
@still herald It takes practice
Writing it out, and by that I mean on paper, can sometimes help
Actually sketching out the process and what all you have to deal with
That might just be me, though
upper basin
Writing it out, and by that I mean on paper, can sometimes help
100 percent.
rugged root
Pretty much the defacto, yeah
@still herald You're learning, you're growing. And everyone is always still learning
There's always going to be things you don't know
I'm finding out new crap daily
upper basin
There's always going to be things you don't know
Always, that's part of the fun.
It's like an unlimited game.
You can grind achievements until the end.
urban abyss
opinions on my doctor script interface? readable enough?
(.venv) root@960b00c9c633:/repo# ./repo-doctor
[✓] Developer setup
[✓] Pip PyPI config
[✓] Artifactory: connected and authenticated
[✓] Build system: installed
[✓] Supported platform: ubuntu x86_64
[✓] ubuntu version: 22.04
[✓] Build system version: 2.17.0
[✓] Python on PATH: python3 python3.9 python3.10
↳ python3: /repo/.venv/bin/python3 (3.9.18)
↳ python3.9: /repo/.venv/bin/python3.9 (3.9.18)
↳ python3.10: /usr/bin/python3.10 (3.10.12)
↳ python3.11: /usr/bin/homebrew/python3.11 (3.11.18)
[✓] Python (Linux): 3.10 (default) 3.9
[✓] Build system PyPI config
[✓] private_py_bindings: Found 898 available versions via priv PyPI. Latest: 129.0.0rc1, Latest release: 123.10.0
[✓] .netrc config
[x] .env
↳ Cannot find file '.env' - this may cause issues with Python imports in VSCode and Jupyter Notebooks
Generate the .env file by running: ./build-support/generate_dotenv.sh
[x] Pyenv: not installed (optional)
↳ Pyenv is not installed. Install it by following: https://docs.atlassian.net/l/cp/z023F4D9f1"
Finished! All requested checks have been run.
I like it. Do you have those colored?
That'd help with clarity
Even if it's just making the checks green and the x's red
urban abyss
color is WIP 😎
whole bear
oh that's nice
urban abyss
ty
rugged root
private_py_bindings: Found 898 available versions via priv PyPI. Latest: 129.0.0rc1, Latest release: 123.10.0
Does latest mean latest on the system?
urban abyss
no it doesn't but our release process is borked at the mo, so ignore that 😆
upper basin
I CLEAN data, don't mess with me!!
rugged root
Was it more just about the general layout?
urban abyss
when i joined this place they spent so much time fixing environmental issues, so I just wrote checks for everything and automated the fixes or pointed to relevant fix in docs
aye just general layout and readability
rugged root
Right right
urban abyss
now we're finally getting to the point of supporting a strict minimal set of environments so this ideally won't be needed
but it makes deployment testing easy
rugged root
Gotta start somewhere
urban abyss
i had a really funny moment in the slack channel for the build system i used where somebody else mentioned they had to write an almost identical check script, so we shared with eachother 😆
rugged root
Niiiiiice
urban abyss
both too polite
rugged root
"No you hang up" "No YOU hang up" "No YOU hang up"
upper basin
HEHEHEEHE
rugged root
Great minds
upper basin
Think alike
urban abyss
sentences
rugged root
!resources
wise cargoBOT
urban abyss
i love codiene
rugged root
And it loves you
still herald
Doing codeine jobs
were you trying to spell "cocaine"?
rugged root
Not in this case, no
Codeine is an opioid pain reliever used to treat mild to moderately severe pain.
stark river
codiene 🫶
rugged root
It was meant to be a dumb pun
still herald
cocaine🫶
rugged root
@whole bear Check out the #voice-verification channel
That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
@stark river We're getting static from your mic
stark river
every year yelp releases its 25GB dataset
rugged root
My brain is breaking this into SQL tables, and I'm trying to figure out if that's way overkill
peak depot
stark river
no need. just cast to pandas df
rugged root
Fair point
willow gate
Fair point
had you use emailjs?
mossy glade
use ctrl + f and select Use regular expression and then use this:
"""(.|\n)*?"""
willow gate
had you use emailjs?
its a javascript library use to send emails
rugged root
!d collections.Counter
wise cargoBOT
surreal grove
vocal basin
had you use emailjs?
don't use it
willow gate
don't use it
why?
rugged root
I'd never even heard of it
vocal basin
same reasons why smtpjs is unsafe
surreal grove
had you use emailjs?
use Nodemailer for emails
willow gate
i use smtplib library to send mail but it not work
willow gate
use Nodemailer for emails
ok i try
willow gate
same reasons why smtpjs is unsafe
then any other option?
vocal basin
you must not do that from the browser
as for smptlib:
are you sending via gmail?
or what service?
whatever you're using likely doesn't allow password authentication
you'll need API keys
willow gate
as for smptlib:
are you sending via gmail?
yes i am sending using gmail
in email js i am reciving link from server but the data is not get avavible to email
vocal basin
I don't remember if gmail still supports sending email via smtp
can't find the article they used to have on it
willow gate
i just want to send the tweet link on gmail
vocal basin
to yourself or to users?
vocal basin
yeah, that's a subscription service -- not trivial to implement
willow gate
yeah, that's a subscription service -- not trivial to implement
okay
vocal basin
it may be better to rely on an existing service that specialises on mass-sending
mass-sending being over 10
upper basin
I'm back to being Typelock
I'm gonna hop off, I'll see ya Monday Hemlock! I'll try not do die from missing you too much, I understand it's not allowed.
rugged root
@still herald Life is more fulfilling when you've earned it for yourself
vocal basin
also you already have a mechanism for subscriptions: twitter
whole bear
Hi everyone
rugged root
When things are just handed to you, then nothing has flavor
vocal basin
for now it's probably a reasonable assumptions that users will follow there
willow gate
also you already have a mechanism for subscriptions: twitter
twitter provides free 1500 perm
stark river
When things are just handed to you, then nothing has flavor
works for hunter biden.. and jared trump
is jared the son or the son in law?
rugged root
Jared's the son in law
vocal basin
free gmail daily limit is 100, unless you want to expose all user emails to all other users
rugged root
@frozen owl Sup
vocal basin
free gmail daily limit is 100, unless you want to expose all user emails to all ...
(well, it's 100 anyway, but if you send one email per user you'll run out of limits early)
willow gate
free gmail daily limit is 100, unless you want to expose all user emails to all ...
but it will work?
frozen owl
as a proud member of team tuple
and rightful victor
stark river
tuples 🫶
vocal basin
but it will work?
how many emails per day do you expect to send?
frozen owl
(for the python discord april fools event)
willow gate
how many emails per day do you expect to send?
10-15 only coz i just want to submit the project in college
vocal basin
(well, it's 100 anyway, but if you send one email per user you'll run out of lim...
correction: it's not 100, I have no idea what it is, I misread
willow gate
i will later think to deploy it
vocal basin
correction: it's not 100, I have no idea what it is, I misread
500 allegedly
rugged root
Are mail gun and mail chimp still good options?
willow gate
500 allegedly
like per month or only 500
vocal basin
daily
rugged root
@upper basin Converting it into a dataframe will give more control
But yeah.. maybe we should go simple first
frozen owl
<@664667836605661217> Converting it into a dataframe will give more control
yeah, originally she imported the data on a dataframe if i understand correctly from yesterday
(things might have changed since but yeah)
so it's easier to do it directly on a df
rugged root
Fo sho
frozen owl
i personally dont like pandas but i think i know how to use it
thank my ml courses lol
it was so tempting to skip over those
but to this day idk how to use matplotlib properly
rugged root
What's wrong with Pandas?
vocal basin
better questions is why deque isn't Deque
frozen owl
numpy is mid
rugged root
better questions is why `deque` isn't `Deque`
Because it's a function like int() and str() I thought
frozen owl
What's wrong with Pandas?
i prefer to use GUI sometimes for data stuff, that's all
rugged root
Right but what do you think those use under the hood
vocal basin
frozen owl
true
rugged root
@willow light Sup
frozen owl
https://pola.rs/
i used it before
also, for my use case, polars was too slow
i know, it's supposed to be fast
but still
willow light
trying to figure out how to take some of the items in my resume and rewrite it in the type of evasive doublespeak neurotypicals seem to like
willow gate
500 allegedly
which has 500 sending limit gmail? or email js?
frozen owl
trying to figure out how to take some of the items in my resume and rewrite it i...
use chadgpt
vocal basin
don't send mail from web browser -- it never ends well
frozen owl
thank you
willow gate
don't use emailjs
then what's the better option
vocal basin
Because it's a function like `int()` and `str()` I thought
builtins are lowercase
itertools classes are lowercase because they try to appear as generator functions
deque and others just try to appear similar to builtins I think
vocal basin
then what's the better option
!d smtplib
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
or whatever you tried to use
better debug that
if there are login errors -- that's a separate question
rugged root
@upper basin Later bud
willow gate
!d smtplib
i tried this module but it didn't work
vocal basin
what do you mean by "it didn't work?"
rugged root
@still herald That he what?
fallen lantern
hello
rugged root
Maybe it's just what he does?
Yo
@still herald I'm here, but I just can't talk outloud
Remember the patience thing?
Maybe that's just what he does to keep his DMs clean?
I assure you he didn't do that out of rudeness
He's not that kind of person
willow gate
what do you mean by "it didn't work?"
raise SMTPAuthenticationError(code, resp)
smtplib.SMTPAuthenticationError: (535, b'5.7.8 Username and Password not accepted. For more information, go to\n5.7.8 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials i16-20020aa78b50000000b006e6795932a4sm1180705pfd.80 - gsmtp')
rugged root
Sorry not sorry
vocal basin
username/password normally don't work
you need to either set up API keys or enable password auth
rugged root
Because it's a dick thing to send
old otter
don't you get a message from the bot explaining why it's blocked?
rugged root
People would reply to people here with that only
willow light
I was sending it as an example, but okay
willow light
But I guess I'm not allowed to explain Slack etiquette
willow light
Just months worth of on-call trauma hitting all at once
rugged root
There there
old otter
don't you get a message from the bot explaining why it's blocked?
This was a serious question - I thought the bot sends a DM when it deletes a message, explaining why it did so - am I wrong about that?
rugged root
It does
willow light
don't you get a message from the bot explaining why it's blocked?
I block bots on sight
Human only in my DMs
rugged root
O....kay?
willow light
Side effect of being spammed with crypto bots a few years ago
rugged root
Sure, but the Python bot isn't that
willow gate
username/password normally don't work
flask_mail is good?
vocal basin
flask_mail is good?
if smtplib doesn't work, that won't work either
the problem isn't with smtplib
it's with how you try to login
willow light
Okay I unblocked the bot, let's try this again
old otter
well, it's pretty unwise to block @wise cargo and @rapid crown. We use those bots to reach out to users about problematic behaviors before escalating to mutes or bans. If people don't give the moderation team a way to privately reach out to them, the first they find out about a problem might be a mute or a ban.
willow light
"You're using a blocked domain"
Okay, that tells me nothing. Now draw the rest of the fucking owl.
rugged root
Clari...
old otter
mm, that's not a great explanation indeed...
rugged root
mm, that's not a great explanation indeed...
True
vocal basin
if `smtplib` doesn't work, that won't work either
wise cargoBOT
flask_mail.py line 18
import smtplib```morse code has plenty of hassle during carrington events
rugged root
The hell's a carrington event
willow light
ever hear about the people who got electrocuted by the telegraph terminals during the last one?
old otter
was that the solar flare thing?
willow light
The hell's a carrington event
imagine a quarter of the outermost layer of the sun suddenly blasting off towards the earth and hitting all at once
rugged root
@still herald I mean, yes. Ideally we don't treat other people poorly
@still herald Get over that prejudice about age. There's plenty of people younger here that know way more
Trust me
Soooo trust me
willow light
<@1127458312938598460> Get over that prejudice about age. There's plenty of peo...
THAT REMINDS ME
fallen lantern
why i cant talk?
frozen owl
!voice
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
See the #voice-verification channel, that'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
fallen lantern
thx
rugged root
@frozen owl You need patience too
willow light
oh cool no link preview
rugged root
You're both so high strung, jesus
frozen owl
whats dat
rugged root
High strung?
willow light
You think they're high strung? I'm off my meds today lol
frozen owl
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA i slept at 2 last night
rugged root
You're just speaking quietly
frozen owl
im 100% in US timezones fr
rugged root
@still herald We could hear you
willow light
but speaking about things relating to age: https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/04/02/new-hampshire-man-to-be-awarded-more-than-134k-in-age-discrimination-lawsuit-against-market-basket/
rugged root
Patience
willow light
Ah that one worked
frozen owl
mailchimp
old otter
interestingly, in the US, discriminating based on someone being too old is illegal, but discriminating based on someone being too young is not
stark river
im 100% in US timezones fr
the US has 4 tz.. .. and the pst is the best one
frozen owl
"it's for grown ups sorry"
frozen owl
the US has 4 tz.. .. and the pst is the best one
probs the new york one
4 hours behind
willow light
however, discriminating based on an invisible disabilty, while illegal, is still almost impossible to prove.
"he's just lazy, he doesn't want to come into the office" yes because the office is sensory hell so I cannot get anything done
still herald
Do you guys know each other?
rugged root
Only through here
still herald
No one is replying to me
still herald
Oh
willow light
winter i can hear you but i wasn't responding because i had no responses
still herald
winter i can hear you but i wasn't responding because i had no responses
Okie
rugged root
Just have patience, people tend to talk over or don't respond if they don't have much to say
We're not slighting you
whole bear
Guyz you all are so good in coding
rugged root
Guyz you all are so good in coding
Eh. I have room for improvement
still herald
Guyz you all are so good in coding
Not me
rugged root
@stark river Water
still herald
Yooooooo
stark river
water is not a sauce
whole bear
Eh. I have room for improvement
Ok I'll join
rugged root
water is not a sauce
It is if you BELIEVE it is
still herald
Mic drop @willow light
rugged root
HA
whole bear
Which one
rugged root
Water
still herald
Yeah like cooking the meat and using its own juice to make the sauce with cream or stock or wine
stark river
still herald
Yeah like cooking the meat and using its own juice to make the sauce with cream ...
@willow light
stark river
they added sugar to water too
whole bear
Eh. I have room for improvement
Can i join
stark river
couldn't stand anything without sugar
willow light
balsamic vinegar has sugar in it
still herald
Yeah
willow light
anything derived from plants has some level of sugar
rugged root
I prefer for people to learn than get infracted
rugged root
I want to encourage people to have better behavior.
still herald
I want to encourage people to have better behavior.
You're gonna be a great father
rugged root
I'm fixed, so no kids for me
still herald
Wym by fixed?
stark river
fixed
willow gate
https://github.com/pallets-eco/flask-mail/blob/master/flask_mail.py#L18
ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 61] Connection refused
willow light
I need to get fixed tbh
rugged root
I couldn't justify having a kid that would have my genes with all the mental health stuff I have going on. I couldn't put a kid through that
rugged root
Wym by fixed?
Vasectomy
willow light
Also, having kids in a world like this is probably child abuse by default
still herald
Well I want to have kids for sure
still herald
Also, having kids in a world like this is probably child abuse by default
No man
I love kids
willow light
Kids are annoying. I would love a quiet flight just once in my life.
rugged root
Mine wasn't out of a lack of love, just couldn't mentally justify it
stark river
i would get fixed... but i'm so anti surgery
rugged root
i would get fixed... but i'm so anti surgery
It's an office visit
still herald
Mine wasn't out of a lack of love, just couldn't mentally justify it
When you would have wife, you'll understand how to love a kid
stark river
it's surgery
willow light
I would be anti-surgery, but that ship sailed a long time ago
rugged root
When you would have wife, you'll understand how to love a kid
I am married
still herald
Omg
rugged root
then it's surgery
Fair enough
rugged root
Not doubting that
willow light
I would much prefer being a cool uncle than risk being a bad father.
frozen owl
sweet child o mine
rugged root
There are kids that need to be adopted, that don't have homes, that need someone to care for them
frozen owl
imagine having enemies when you are popcat
rugged root
I don't see a purpose of having a kid of my own genes
Exactly
@still herald It is when there's a possibilty of passing on my crippling depression, anxeity, etc. to a kid
@willow light Lobster hands?
Defeated by rubber bands
Oh for sure
They're crazy strong bands
Potentially
Pinch
@near smelt Sup
still herald
<@1127458312938598460> It is when there's a possibilty of passing on my cripplin...
Well I think everyone is capable of loving someone doesn't matter if it's your own child or an adopted one
rugged root
Sure, no argument there
But I was simply saying why I didn't want to have my own kid
A miniature version of me is not desirable
frozen owl
popcat > poopcat?
willow light
Adopting is better, there are people who need help.
rugged root
Yep
frozen owl
apparently hong kong is STILL number 1 for popcat
willow light
I would have kids if there were no people needing help, and that includes me.
rugged root
@still herald We're all different with different desires
I respect your want for kids, I just don't want that
frozen owl
apparently hong kong is STILL number 1 for popcat
thailand is creeping closer
vocal basin
want people to get kids => get governments to make life easier for kids and parents not at expense of everyone else
frozen owl
thailand is creeping closer
jeez i think i need a VPN to help
willow light
Ok i'll type then
willow light
In the so-called third world countries there is a much stronger sense of community than in America, where we worship isolation.
So the needs for supporting a family are less there.
rugged root
You guys are my family and kids
willow light
This is one of the few cases where organic is cheaper.
rugged root
If I can help people learn and grow, then that's what I care about
willow light
I am a people pleaser, I cannot raise a child with my current problems.
rugged root
Yes ALKK
willow light
What about a raven?
rugged root
@whole bear Still way more than I make
still herald
Goodnight guys
My battery is about to die
rugged root
Catch you later
near smelt
Goodnight guys
My battery is about to die
gn
still herald
I'll sleep
willow light
RIP Battery
rugged root
I think she said there was a power outage
willow light
from the earthquake or the noreaster?
rugged root
No idea
willow light
Hemlock did you feel the quake this morning?
rugged root
When
frozen owl
unhot take: company issued macbook pros are ssh machines
rugged root
I don't think I've ever felt one here
frozen owl
Hemlock did you feel the quake this morning?
theres one is taiwan
rugged root
@near smelt That's why I help folks here
willow light
I meant the one this morning in New Jersey
frozen owl
so yeah there must be a second earthquake elsewhere in teh world
stark river
can you ever feel a quake in the midwest?
rugged root
I'm hardly amazing, I help because it's fun
frozen owl
for every constructive earthquake there is a destructive earthquake
willow light
yes, oklahoma gets them on a regular basis due to fracking
frozen owl
for every constructive earthquake there is a destructive earthquake
geography moment
willow light
where i live we get earthquakes due to postglacial rebound
frozen owl
i like how i take social sciences rn but by september it's gonna be double maths cs and physics ready for uni
mild quartz
sup
mild quartz
@near smelt your mic has pretty bad static
willow light
I think he has me muted given how many times he talked over me midsentence
either that or my mic broke
rugged root
We could hear you
willow light
interesting
rugged root
Word
mild quartz
it shouldnt be allowed to have ppl muted and talk over them
either the person should be banned from chat
frozen owl
social sciences are soooo underrated
I take sociology and geography lol
rugged root
Yeah I'm starting to think that
mild quartz
or you should have to listen to them
willow light
This is getting annoying
rugged root
@stark river Its disruptive when people have others muted
It causes a lot of people getting talked over and just general noise
stark river
i have my reasons for muting people
willow light
I just don't like being talked over midsentence, and D2S has been doing that since he joined the call.
rugged root
I get that, but then turn their volume low
So you at least know when they're talking to prevent the cross talk
vocal basin
i have my reasons for muting people
yeah but you don't talk that much in VC
willow light
I only have one person muted on here but that's because he makes a point out of specifically insulting me in particular.
mild quartz
yeah
willow light
and never shows up on vc
stark river
I can’t seem to react to your msg
yes that is a block
mild quartz
i dont remember why
frozen owl
Please can you kindly unblock lol (and if you want, accept my friend request pls)
rugged root
@near smelt I know you have your reasons, but can you unmute Clari? You can turn him down to zero on your end, but it at least lets you know when he's talking so that we don't have cross talk issues
mild quartz
hmm thats probably why
willow light
no i'm heading to vc1, i'm done
frozen owl
hmm thats probably why
Ah sorry
stark river
no Anokhi's wrong
near smelt
@willow light Please come back, my apologies. I don't know why I have you muted
frozen owl
Yay :D
willow gate
@near smelt typing speed?
willow light
and it is very annoying to the person who keeps getting interrupted and ignored. i get that enough from my former coworkers.
rugged root
You may not agree about having to have someone unmuted, but you have to at least agree that it almost always causes confusion and disruption
@willow light It's been rectified
near smelt
and it is very annoying to the person who keeps getting interrupted and ignored....
It was an accident, I am sorry
rugged root
All good
near smelt
I genuinely don't know why u were muted
vocal basin
yeah but you don't talk *that much* in VC
like
want to talk for a long time and not just a short response => unmute everyone, talk, mute back;
even if you really don't like them and want to interrupt them, still remember: you're being talked over too just like them
willow gate
i aslo stop playing
near smelt
i aslo stop playing
why
willow gate
why
don't have much time also the new updates make it more bore like i was playing from 5-6 years
rugged root
Then turn their volume down low so you can at least see their light
Like I'm not asking people to listen to them, just know when the other person is speaking at the very least
Again I get the frustration
stark river
ok we could give it a try... although ysk the green lights up even when ppl are muted
rugged root
It doesn't show the green circle on desktop
stark river
not on the phone
rugged root
That's bizarre
stark river
must be browser only
rugged root
My damn desk phone is rebooting and it's throwing my internet connection out of wack
Stupid phone pass-thru
Yeah if this phone reboots then it takes my net down for a bit
@near smelt I don't care so long as it's not like every other word
Which
Which position?
Oh I have no idea
dim gorge
rugged root
I'm not affiliated with them
Or rather the server isn't
Nope, we're independant
We've done stuff with them, mind you
That pays for itself
I'll be back in a bit
willow gate
@dry lake
random copper
Anyone know how to make libs?
lavish rover
what particularly about making libs?
libraries are really just code that you can import, not particularly different from "not libs" code
wise loom
libraries are really just code that you can import, not particularly different f...
Perhaps the greatest hurdle is knowing where to place the __init__.py files
lavish rover
everywhere
wise loom
_everywhere_
Even so, what does one write inside of them.. that is the very next question
lavish rover
you don't have to write anything
they just serve as markers for a package, depending on what you're doing the library can just involve importing whichever file you want
wise loom
they just serve as markers for a package, depending on what you're doing the lib...
Interesting
scarlet halo
hey sazk
vocal basin
"I can finally sign all the bad code so I won't be able to say it wasn't me who wrote it"
@lavish rover well, depends on the region
"when are you not working on a ray tracer?"
@shrewd ibex have you looked into ZeroMQ yet? quite useful experience for understanding just how powerful socket APIs can be
oblique hollow
hi
vocal basin
there's also this thing which I've encountered but haven't tried yet:
https://socket.io/
shrewd ibex
<@615372397557579786> have you looked into ZeroMQ yet? quite useful experience f...
I haven't tried low level socket programming
I did before when I made that chat app
though
shrewd ibex
wow
vocal basin
@jade badger slightly adjusted version of minesweeper
it's PvP
yeah, it's based on that
but with timers and premoves
vocal basin
it's PvP
and with synchronisation across tabs thanks to this thing:
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/main/src/multicast/replay.rs
yeah, 1.5 years later than it got released
before that used whatever chat thing Curse had
jade badger
vocal basin
it was never used
it was a library for another mod
but we never integrated it
because of packaging/bundling issues
I mostly do non-game stuff
lately was working on infrastructure software
vocal basin
I mostly do non-game stuff
only properly worked on one mod and one game
similar to cloud
I was offered to work on drivers too but I didn't have enough experience with hardware
I don't remember what they exactly needed to integrate and where
(only that it was aarch64 system with some peripheral stuff)
yes
difficulties start when you need to cross-compile it
idk if their ToS allows that
(ed.: vc question about debugging iPhones)
(iOS's)
never worked with iPhones, but likely Apple do have their internal tools
willow gate
@idle epoch post again in #1035199133436354600
somber heath
@elder crater 👋
austere hornet
@elder crater #voice-verification Go here to be able to talk by clicking the clicky button.
elder crater
<@1057018160542388224> <#764802555427029012> Go here to be able to talk by click...
Them you
austere hornet
Them me?
elder crater
Thank you *
dire pebble
!e
```py
import ast
ast.literal_eval("5")
```
Can you explain more about this?
dry jasper
Can you explain more about this?
it evaluates the input after checking if the datatype is valid
dire pebble
I mean the whole import
I wanna learn stuff
Then I wanna ask anything I see in general
To learn more thing
I'm beginner
dry jasper
do you have a specific question regarding importing? because its very straight forward
dire pebble
do you have a specific question regarding importing? because its very straight f...
The ast
What is ast?
idle epoch
austere hornet
Love this quote, no need to notice me:
"If you're not willing to learn, no one can help you. If you're determined to learn, no one can stop you."
- Zig Ziglar
willow gate
@somber heath hello
somber heath
@idle epoch I'm going to go fiddle with a thing.
dry jasper
willow gate
@idle epoch did you fix the error?
idle epoch
graceful kelp
What language is this btw
dry jasper
crude cargo
@somber heath my friend likes hearing u talk, chat w her 
somber heath
<@317279909112446976> my friend likes hearing u talk, chat w her <a:Yes:80984242...
I'm currently throwing gunk at walls to see what sticks.
Programming-wise.
quaint oyster
girl interested in Opal's voice
Opal: "im throwing shit at the wall do u think itll stick?"
whole bear
Did not mean to reply here
stark river
not a C++ programmer?
lilac herald
why do I have to send 50 texts in order to speak lol
don't really want to spam so am I just here to observe lol
ah right that makes sense
I joined the server in 2021 lol
still haven't said anything here
right right
wait can I ask a question
about code
so like I just started learning python and am trying to understand some projects that other people have made
this is like the beginning segmant of a texas hold em game
card_values = [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14]
suits = ["clubs", "diamonds", "hearts", "spades"]
face_cards = {
"J": 11,
"Q": 12,
"K": 13,
"A": 14,
11: "J",
12: "Q",
13: "K",
14: "A"
}
class Card:
def init(self, value, suit):
self.value = value
self.suit = suit
def generate_cards():
cards = []
for value in card_values:
for suit in suits:
if value in face_cards:
_card = Card(face_cards[value], suit)
else:
_card = Card(value, suit)
cards.append(_card)
return cards
cards = generate_cards()
I don't really know how to share this code other than just ctrl c and v sry
main question: is generate_cards() acting as a list or?
so cards is the list?
ah okok
ah that makes so much more sense
thx
quaint oyster
!pastebin
wise cargoBOT
lilac herald
ah yes hello my mute brother
quaint oyster
I'm not mute
lilac herald
I'm talking about Sandy
royal crown
wait this
lilac herald
yes
royal crown
hahaha
lilac herald
hello Sandy
royal crown
hello
lilac herald
we must make conversation
royal crown
anyone wanna help me with some code
lilac herald
so we can actually talk
quaint oyster
Sure
royal crown
k so should i send it to you privat or here
quaint oyster
!pastebin
wise cargoBOT
lilac herald
I am sending this message to send a message
quaint oyster
If it's small you can just copy paste
quaint oyster
I am sending this message to send a message
Don't do this they'll get on your ass for that lmao
royal crown
100 is a lot right
lilac herald
XD I won't lol
quaint oyster
100 lines is a lot yes
royal crown
k
quaint oyster
You can also just send the block u need help with
royal crown
so it dosent work i cant just copy it
quaint oyster
🤷
whole bear
Forgot to mention (had to google this) the _ in _card is a naming convention. It pretty much tells you that you’ll use this internally in the function.
whole bear
Forgot to mention (had to google this) the _ in _card is a naming convention. It...
@lilac herald ^
somber heath
@vague steeple 👋
vague steeple
hello everyone
can ı ask a question about a module
fbprophet
no not facebook
it s a module can run with python
to estimate future price prediction of stocks currencies
somber heath
vague steeple
Allrighty thank you so much
somber heath
@rugged ember 👋
primal shadow
somber heath
!e ```py
def func(a, b):
b = (b - .5) % 1
return .5 - abs(a - b)
print(*[func(v / 10, 1) for v in range(11)])```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
0.0 0.09999999999999998 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.4 0.30000000000000004 0.19999999999999996 0.09999999999999998 0.0
@idle epoch
This is what I was tinkering with
Shortest distance between two points around a circle, think 0-1 like 0-360
The furthest away two points can be from each other is halfway, .5, around the circle.
idle epoch
ah got it!
whole bear
wise cargoBOT
vestal mason
from django.shortcuts import render
from django.views.generic import TemplateView
# Create your views here.
class HomePageView(TemplateView):
template_name = 'home.html'
class DashboardPageView(TemplateView):
template_name = 'dashboard.html'
def tile_one():
return "response'
/ul>
<div class="nav-item">
<a class="nav-link dropdown-toggle" href="#" id="userMenu" data-toggle="dropdown" aria-haspopup="true" aria-expanded="false" style="color: #ff8f00">
{{ user.username }}
</a>
<div class="dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-right" aria-labelledby="userMenu">
<a class="dropdown-item" href="{% url 'password_reset'%}">Change password</a>
<div class="dropdown-divider"></div>
<form method="post" action="{% url 'logout' %}">
{% csrf_token %}
<button class="btn btn-link" type="submit" style="color: #ff8f00">Log Out</button>
</form>
</div>
</div>
</ul>
forest zodiac
class HomePageView(TemplateView):
template_name = "home.html"
def get_context_data(self, **kwargs):
context = super().get_context_data(**kwargs)
context["latest_articles"] = Article.objects.all()[:5]
return context
def some_view():
return render("template_name", context = {'a' : 1,})
somber heath
@loud sierra 👋
forest zodiac
```
class HomePageView(TemplateView):
template_name = "home.html"
def g...
{{latest_articles[0].name}}
somber heath
@sly timber 👋
sly timber
hey
surreal grove
willow gate
where are you from
crude cargo
@mild quartz my friend @graceful kelp ,loves ur voice alot 
graceful kelp
Tf?
royal crown
Romanze?
obsidian dragon
<@336524160509411328> my friend <@745692303003222090> ,loves ur voice alot <a:bl...
sus
royal crown
thats what i saying
wise cargoBOT
stark river
❓
builtins internals
methods are functions.. functions that are defined inside classes are called methods
no i dont understand
for an absolute value just multiply the number by -1
you are passing the value via self
i'm not sure what you are talking about
internals work just like normal methods
__something__ is just a convention
if you are in vscode you can right click and go to definition
if you want to see the source code of __init__ you can also see it on the net.. just search for the right term.. e.g. __init__ source code python
royal crown
anyone know how i can put my python kivy app frome pc to phone so i can use it on my phone
gentle flint
anyone know how i can put my python kivy app frome pc to phone so i can use it o...
glhf
obsidian dragon
hi
royal crown
hello
somber heath
@mint karma 👋
mint karma
ello
I am new to programming (I only ever did mini roblox stuff like 10 years ago) and I thought joining this would be good
I don't have a python interpreter in pycharm, how do I do thatttttttt sorry if I am not meant to ask for help here
upper basin
I don't have a python interpreter in pycharm, how do I do thatttttttt sorry if I...
No no, you're good. So, you need to first download and install python itself.
Then you can set it up in pycharm.
mint karma
Alright I did I assume I just need to link it now, I appreciate it
Just the first vid I am watching didnt cover that
Thank you
minor sapphire
Before:py def foo(): if this: return print("Hello") After: ```py
def bar():
if this:
return
def foo():
bar()
print("Hello")
!zen
wise cargoBOT
minor sapphire
if inside(445,125,495,175,mousex,mousey) and tools[0] != 0:
...
if inside(445,185,495,235,mousex,mousey) and tools[1] != 0:
...
some one pleas epl me with this code if your willing to help pleas dm me
upper basin
some one pleas epl me with this code if your willing to help pleas dm me
Kindly ask your question here.
We'll help if we can.
noble solstice
Hola Guys!
somber heath
@upbeat plinth 👋
upper basin
!paste
wise cargoBOT
royal crown
how dose this work
upper basin
def func(args):
if inside(445,125,495,175,mousex,mousey) and tools[0] != 0: #is pickaxe clicked?
clear_dice_prev()
if tools[0] == 2:
tools[0] = 1
clear_toast()
clear_selection()
return
play_sound_effect(sfx_on,sounds["toolselected"])
if selcolor != 0:
pit = [selcolor if elem==0 else elem for elem in pit]
selcolor = 0
canplace = False
draw_pit()
c.itemconfig(selected,image=tool_images["pickaxe"])
tools = [1 if elem==2 else elem for elem in tools]
tools[0] = 2
toast("The Pickaxe clears the square you click on.")
return
how do i seend code like this
minor sapphire
```
def func(args):
if inside(445,125,495,175,mousex,mousey) and tools[0] != 0...
func(args)
l = [] l[1] = "h"
minor sapphire
how do i seend code like this
you surround your code with ```
primal shadow
```py
Enter code here
```
gotta use them backticks, normally above tab
The py isn't required, but enables syntax hylighting for python
hallow warren
"explicit is better than implicit"
List comprehensions have entered the chat.
stark river
👍
hallow warren
Whatcha workin' on?
stark river
C++
hallow warren
Omg. Did you know https://pythontutor.com does C++?
stark river
is that your site?
stark river
so you get a commission for it
hallow warren
No way, they're ad supported and I have zilch<nil connections to them
dire pebble
@hallow warren Can I use a key from another dictionary to represent a value inside a list which is same as the value inside the dictionary where is the key from?
stark river
[{
foo: "val",
bar: "value",
}]
yes you can lookup values from a dict and append it to list
hallow warren
so you get a commission for it
I was responsible for it being listed on https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/?payment-tiers=free&difficulty=beginner&search=tutor which is my only connection
dire pebble
aDict = [{
'foo': 1,
'bar': "value",
}]
aList = ['a', 'b', 'value']
print(aList[1])
@hallow warren
stark river
aList.append(aDict[bar])
or was it aDict['bar'] idk i use js
!e
aDict = [{
foo: 1,
bar: "value",
}]
aList = ['a', 'b', 'value']
print(aList[1])
@stark river :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 | foo: 1,
004 | ^^^
005 | NameError: name 'foo' is not defined
"
stark river
!e
aDict = [{
'foo': 1,
'bar': "value",
}]
aList = ['a', 'b', 'value']
print(aList[1])
@stark river :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.
b
but these two vars aDict and aList have no connection
hallow warren
```py
aDict = [{
'foo': 1,
'bar': "value",
}]
aList = ['a', 'b', 'value...
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stark river
if you want aList to lookup values from aDict
!e
aDict = [{
foo: 1,
bar: "value",
}]
aList = ['a', 'b']
aList.append(aDict['bar'])
print(aList)
stark river
smh.. it's a list
dry jasper
peak depot
Hi Plome and Annimo
gentle flint
hi milien