voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

ordering each node in the graph in such a way that all arrows are pointing forwards

(or upwards here)

too lazy to turn it

basically, each edge says "a node comes before another node"

and sorting linearizes nodes such that each of those constraints holds true

!d graphlib.CycleError

[wise cargo]

graphlib.CycleError

exception graphlib.CycleError```
Subclass of [`ValueError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#ValueError) raised by [`TopologicalSorter.prepare()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/graphlib.html#graphlib.TopologicalSorter.prepare) if cycles exist in the working graph. If multiple cycles exist, only one undefined choice among them will be reported and included in the exception.

The detected cycle can be accessed via the second element in the [`args`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#BaseException.args) attribute of the exception instance and consists in a list of nodes, such that each node is, in the graph, an immediate predecessor of the next node in the list. In the reported list, the first and the last node will be the same, to make it clear that it is cyclic.

[vocal basin]

it will go as far as it can without an error (static_order method returns a lazy generator)

ad hoc polymorphism?

the C++/Java/C#-style of type-based dispatch during compilation

choosing a function/method among those with the same name based on the type of the argument

(what Rust doesn't allow to do)

[lapis brook]

hello

how i will get verified

[karmic obsidian]

No it was just a random name... I didn't have anything in my mind...
It was just a personal project

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[keen spruce]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

@full venture 👋

@thick sage 👋

[thick sage]

Hello

[ruby brook]

hellloo

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[somber heath]

@gusty pendant 👋

[gusty pendant]

hello people

[hollow perch]

helloo all

[somber heath]

@outer ibex 👋

[outer ibex]

👋

[somber heath]

@gloomy kernel👋

[karmic obsidian]

hey hi everyone

@somber heath

you there?

[somber heath]

Nope.

[karmic obsidian]

oh nw

hey @cobalt cloak you from israel?

[cobalt cloak]

ye

[karmic obsidian]

oh that's nice

how is everything there?

[cobalt cloak]

hard

[karmic obsidian]

from ur perspective what should be the solution to all this mess?

two state or one state?

I m just asking out of curiosity tho

[cobalt cloak]

get gaza under israel rule and delte the islamic jihad hamas from the face of the earth

one state

but it is only because we presented 6 times two state solutions for them but they reject each one

[karmic obsidian]

oh I see....
what about west bank?

have that also under israeli control?

[cobalt cloak]

most of the west bank under israeli contorl thank god but still generates a lot of terror attacks on israeli civillians

[karmic obsidian]

I see

but tbh honest looking at the demographics

i don't think israel would ever get all that region under control

I mean it can easily but It would never want to

[cobalt cloak]

yea we co oprate with the palestinian authoreties

but never with terrorists

[karmic obsidian]

yeah I get it

that makes sense

[cobalt cloak]

but the idf is getting ready with tanks and soldiers all over its borders it called the reserves wich mean my uncles are getting drafted

[karmic obsidian]

uncles ?

I didn't get ?

what does that mean?

[cobalt cloak]

my mom's brothers

sorry i have one mom miss wrote it

[karmic obsidian]

Oh I get it... I thought that's kind of military term that is used in israel

[cobalt cloak]

nah

im not old enugh to know millitary terms im only 14

i only know the basics

[karmic obsidian]

I thought you like 22

[cobalt cloak]

we try but they attack

[karmic obsidian]

lmao

[cobalt cloak]

lmfao

[somber heath]

Nobody is too young for war. Even the unborn shoulder their share.

[karmic obsidian]

yeah agreed

great that you here @somber heath

[cobalt cloak]

i have been through contless wars

[somber heath]

I'm categorically not here.

[karmic obsidian]

btw I read some where that there are lot of bunkers in israel... I wonder how good they are
when something like this happens

[karmic obsidian]

how do you text then?

[somber heath]

It's extremely complicated.

[cobalt cloak]

its the hardest one yet they invaded isral there are vids of the terorrists going through israli citys killing people and gettin hold of a police station they ran away and hide in the city so there are footages of the idf tanks rolling down the streets

atleast 600 dead

and 2000 injured the death toll will surlly go up sadly

[karmic obsidian]

btw @somber heath I wanna ask you smth

are you working ?

or studying?

[fallen edge]

and more than a hundred people are kidnapped (children, families and the elderly):/

[cobalt cloak]

ye but not confirmed numbers

[karmic obsidian]

I saw some videos ....
they para glided with some motor engines ig

[somber heath]

That's not a subject up for discussion.

[karmic obsidian]

I just wanna know that do you have real world experience working with python?
I want a suggestion from you

[cobalt cloak]

i saw pics of the bodies on the streets and vids of the terorrists nocking on doors impersonating idf soldiers and holding ak 47 and rpg

[karmic obsidian]

I am trying to build a time tracking tool for managers in large organisations to track basic activity of employees like login and logouts ...
I am thinking of using python and sql ...
you think I can do that?

[somber heath]

I describe myself as a hobbyist.

[karmic obsidian]

you think it's feasable to choose python and sql only?? or what should be using to build this thing?

[somber heath]

It's not what I deal with.

A database sounds like a reasonable component.

[karmic obsidian]

then what is ur expertise in?

[somber heath]

Employee performance is quantum.

Kind of.

If you try to overengineer performance metrics, you'll impact morale and thus performance.

In trying to measure something, you can alter it.

[pallid knoll]

I don't have permission to speak in Voice Chat 0

[somber heath]

There's a balance to be struck.

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[karmic obsidian]

!voice

[somber heath]

How would you measure the performance of a programmer?

[karmic obsidian]

I am in college brother ... I am studying computer science...I am thinking of doing this as a personal project

[karmic obsidian]

by looking at the time complexity and space complextiy of the code he/she writes in everyday to day job

[somber heath]

Interesting answer.

[karmic obsidian]

that's what I would do

[cobalt cloak]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNF5xRpX/

soldiers getting sent to the front

[karmic obsidian]

but I don't think managers would care about that

[cobalt cloak]

😢

[alpine crow]

idk if this is an easy to define metric tho

I mean u would need like an actuary to be looking over all the submitted code to determine the complexity

and idk I feel a lot of the actual good developer comes from communication with the team and clearly documenting too

bc if nobody can understand ur code I mean good job security ig

but also useless if u leave

[dry jasper]

https://edabit.com/challenges/python3

[obtuse cape]

I can't talk right now, but I know a very good udemy course
https://www.udemy.com/course/python3-fundamentals/

he is a really good teacher

[faint raven]

daddy admin please give me streaming power! power-up noise haaaaargh!!

[loud anvil]

i agree with opalmist, but i'd like to try and answer, coz its for learning purpose and i believe managers know not to do this with programmers . From my little knowledge in python.

way 1 : I wud deploy a django application on Nginx with uWSGI. Using django u can build and host any service as a website. Will use postgress as a database connected to django, coz its free. U can deploy this in a docker container and host it in heroku or any cloud service.

way2 : u can build an application monitoring library using python. Make the client install it , set it to start and run in the background whenever the machine reboots. Beam back the collected metrics to your backend server django or a cloud service like aws where u can analyse the metrics to derive insights.

[loud anvil]

requires learning about networking stuffs like sockets , ip , subnets , vpc etc , some django, fastapi , autowrapt bootstrap lib to monkey patch monitoring code , setup tools lib to package ur application monitoring library , lil nginx , docker and any cloud service .

[somber heath]

@torn plinth 👋

[torn plinth]

@somber heath i gotta type 50 messages to talk?

um

fair enough

how

should

i

speed this

up

verification speedrun?

totally wont...

well

Oh thast good then

Alright

wait

when I verify can I share screen?

womp

I wanted to ask but how I get my decimals to round to like idk the hundredths rather than idk like tenth*

that is not good

we can't have nice things womp womp

[somber heath]

!d round

[wise cargo]

round

round(number, ndigits=None)```
Return *number* rounded to *ndigits* precision after the decimal point. If *ndigits* is omitted or is `None`, it returns the nearest integer to its input.

For the built-in types supporting [`round()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#round), values are rounded to the closest multiple of 10 to the power minus *ndigits*; if two multiples are equally close, rounding is done toward the even choice (so, for example, both `round(0.5)` and `round(-0.5)` are `0`, and `round(1.5)` is `2`). Any integer value is valid for *ndigits* (positive, zero, or negative). The return value is an integer if *ndigits* is omitted or `None`. Otherwise, the return value has the same type as *number*.

For a general Python object `number`, `round` delegates to `number.__round__`.

[somber heath]

!f-string

[wise cargo]

Format-strings

Creating a Python string with your variables using the + operator can be difficult to write and read. F-strings (format-strings) make it easy to insert values into a string. If you put an f in front of the first quote, you can then put Python expressions between curly braces in the string.

>>> snake = "pythons"
>>> number = 21
>>> f"There are {number * 2} {snake} on the plane."
"There are 42 pythons on the plane."

Note that even when you include an expression that isn't a string, like number * 2, Python will convert it to a string for you.

[somber heath]

!d str.format

[wise cargo]

str.format

str.format(*args, **kwargs)```
Perform a string formatting operation. The string on which this method is called can contain literal text or replacement fields delimited by braces `{}`. Each replacement field contains either the numeric index of a positional argument, or the name of a keyword argument. Returns a copy of the string where each replacement field is replaced with the string value of the corresponding argument.

```py
>>> "The sum of 1 + 2 is {0}".format(1+2)
'The sum of 1 + 2 is 3'
```  See [Format String Syntax](https://docs.python.org/3/library/string.html#formatstrings) for a description of the various formatting options that can be specified in format strings.

[torn plinth]

thats sick

Can I share images?

W

hmm ok

Kinda yeah

[somber heath]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[somber heath]

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[torn plinth]

so basically (code in here)

ok so I dont know if my professor wants me to keep the decimals from rounding or not but in the example he has decimals not round and I wanna play it safe as python auto rounds or at least in the website im using

like a what

ninja?

OHHHH

I hate them bc they seem to like me a lot and they get my blood a lot

Im one requirement off

the 10 block sum sum

how long you been coding

how many languages you learning

[somber heath]

!e py v = 0.123456789 print(v) print(f'The number is {v:.3f}. Bye.') print(f'The number is {v:.2f}. Bye.') print(f'The number is {v:.1f}. Bye.')

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0.123456789
002 | The number is 0.123. Bye.
003 | The number is 0.12. Bye.
004 | The number is 0.1. Bye.

[torn plinth]

or have learnee

learned*

alright but what is python is good at. I heard finance

Yeah I want to know a little bit of coding even though my major might not completely need it

I heard Python was pretty easy to learn and I thought if it was it was probably gonna help when I might translate to other languages

womp

Dw dw

whats with excel and python

it looks like it being hyped

Organisms = int(input("Starting number of organisms:"))
Rate = float(input("Average daily increase (as a percent. Ex: 20 = 20%):"))

print("Day Approximate".ljust(15), "Population".ljust(20))
print("===================================")

DayApproximate = 1

while DayApproximate <= Days:
    Population = Organisms * (1 + (Rate*.01)) ** DayApproximate
    print(str(DayApproximate).ljust(15), str(round(Population, 2)).ljust(20))
    DayApproximate += 1```

[shy raft]

guys why this not work :(

def say(s):
  print('fish')

person.say('hello!', 123)
if True:
  for _ in range(a bajillion):
    pass

[somber heath]

!e ```py
def say(s):
print(s)

say(123)
say(456, 789)```

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | 123
002 | Traceback (most recent call last):
003 |   File "/home/main.py", line 5, in <module>
004 |     say(456, 789)
005 | TypeError: say() takes 1 positional argument but 2 were given

[somber heath]

The say function here has only one parameter, unlike print, which takes an arbitrary number of positional parameters.

!e ```py
def func(*args):
print(args)

func(1)
func(1, 2)
func(1, 2, 3)```

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | (1,)
002 | (1, 2)
003 | (1, 2, 3)

[somber heath]

In this fashion.

!e ```py
class MyClass:
def my_method(self, arg):
print(arg)

instance = MyClass()
instance.my_method(123)```

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

123

[somber heath]

!e py print('A') for _ in range(5): print('B') print('C')

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | A
002 | B
003 | B
004 | B
005 | B
006 | B
007 | C

[somber heath]

Though I do get the sense you may be...monkeying around. 💥😎

@shy raft

[shy raft]

🐒

[somber heath]

@outer badger 👋

[outer badger]

hello

oh i cant speeak lol

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[outer badger]

yeah i see

[vocal basin]

I was trying to make something with Python+JS ~5 hours ago
it was so difficult I decided to sleep instead

[outer badger]

thanks

[vocal basin]

I'll probably just not attempt it again for some time

[wise loom]

I need to write some code that does YAML -> XLSX/ODT

and it's so boring that I can't get myself to do it

I can also justify why I have to write it.. LibreOffice as mature as it may be, after 3000 rows starts getting super-slow.
I mean it already is slow for a few hundred rows. I also don't understand why it's slower on Slackware than it was on Debian.
All these questions I'm asking myself. Of course I could just put it on Google Docs instead but..
To be honest I've even looked at https://www.visidata.org/ but Visidata is also slightly slow, and I have to learn how to use it
which I haven't because I haven't yet allocated time for that.

[somber heath]

@haughty fog 👋

[wise loom]

I've also noticed I cling to offline software. Like there's something in the back of my mind saying "Don't trust the cloud too much".
Maybe I'm getting super-old idk..

[vocal basin]

is it getting slow only for full-table actions? or for localised changes too?

[wise loom]

even localized changes, like I sometimes have to insert a row, and I do insert an empty row, and then I have to edit cells and already things start to go haywire, many time it froze on me had to restart it

But I mean, if Visidata can handle this table (yes with less features but still a fully capable text spreadsheet editor).. and Visidata is Python which is slow compared to Java, like.. how is t possible that Libreoffice is so slow when it's a mix of Java and C++ under the hood.
And they had sooo much time to weed out bugs.

[vocal basin]

I wonder how well this handles editing
https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online

so far didn't crash

but that one doesn't include functions and stuff

(the table)

I might've broken it

[wise loom]

A-ha !

[vocal basin]

it's loading gradually

[wise loom]

but their UI was snappy?

[vocal basin]

(because it just updated 60K cells)

it's still rendering

calculation was basically instant, but graphics are struggling

[wise loom]

right, same feeling here, something to do with the UI

[vocal basin]

!e

from math import comb
print(float(comb(5011,4999)))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

5.164536903979932e+35

[vocal basin]

seems correct

it crashed and lost all data

(likely doesn't auto-save)

Excel's response to trying to open the file

[wise loom]

Christ, we have no viable spreadsheet solution in 2023, we're F-ed

@vocal basin but it is somewhat worrying that in order to insert a row in the middle of a large table, all other cells need to be pushed down?
there must be a data structure or some physical layout to hold the rows that doesn't require pushing all rows down like that..
it reminds me of the Rope data structure compared to the regular String data structure.
a Rope can have fast inserts no matter how long the string is.

[vocal basin]

general "it just works" data structure for that would be a tree

but moving everything is often faster than the clever approach

(especially if the table is represented as a list of pointers to rows)

[vocal basin]

something like this would still require recomputing the whole table if first cell changed

I guess spreadsheet software on the inside does some graph-based logic to determine what and when to update

[vocal basin]

rope/cord is a tree too

[vocal basin]

this being because of fewer separate memory operations

same reason why b-trees are chosen over avl

[wise loom]

Indeed it does.

[whole bear]

!voice

[vocal basin]

!d graphlib

[wise cargo]

graphlib

Source code: Lib/graphlib.py

[vocal basin]

not sure if this can be made to work for evaluation graphs

[wise loom]

@whole bear you have 19 views on that piano video, are you an influencer?

[vocal basin]

more intended for semi-static context

[whole bear]

no

it's not me

I like this music

THat person is not me

wow

so many people

How can I check How many messgs do i need to cmplete the criteria for voice verification?

[vocal basin]

#voice-verification has criteria described
!user command in #bot-commands shows how many messages the bot thinks you've sent

[whole bear]

thanks bro

[vocal basin]

I wonder if this can be combined with B-Tree-related ideas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(data_structure)

(for storing a singular mutable text, not functional-style immutable strings with reference-counted nodes)

[karmic obsidian]

hey @loud anvil thanks bruv...
I guess the second way is more suitable to me coz I have some experience in building python libraries from scrath....
so thanks man

appreciate it

hey @somber heath I can talk now...

big moment for me lol

[somber heath]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lyqDvojqxc8&feature=shared

@trim night 👋

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=b-AHzI4Y_qA&feature=shared

[thin fox]

opal I like your music taste, do you have any ymusic playlist?

[somber heath]

Yesno.

Another band you can look up is Fish in a Birdcage.

[thin fox]

yea that one was lit, I listened to it last time, when you shared it

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fOSVzv3iioE

this one was recomended right after listening to one of the songs you had shared...

the lyrics are perfectly relatable to me right now

[wind raptor]

Hey @desert wolf 👋

[whole bear]

hi

I need three more.

[thin fox]

you seem excited to speak

Hii lobhi!

[whole bear]

not really

but i just want that role

so I can speak

[thin fox]

ah alright

[whole bear]

yah

man

[thin fox]

there you go!

you got it?

[whole bear]

still can't speak

😦

[thin fox]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[whole bear]

done

thanks bruda

[whole bear]

this one?

[thin fox]

bye~

[karmic obsidian]

@somber heath sorry, I'll restart my laptop and come back

sorry once again

[somber heath]

It wasn't obnoxious aside from being next to entirely unintelligible.

[wind raptor]

Hey @warped raft 👋

[warped raft]

how is it going

buddy

[wind raptor]

Good thanks, how about you?

[warped raft]

doing good just submitted the anchoring script

man it was a fking long job

and tedious too

[wind raptor]

Did you make it funny?

[warped raft]

i would rather say no
after all it is a formal event

[wind raptor]

formal events can have humour

[warped raft]

hmmm

my didn't let's se if it make its to the podium or it is modififed from head to tale

though it had a very nice quote

[wind raptor]

What was it for again?

[somber heath]

@idle monolith 👋

[warped raft]

WE DACNE FOR HAPPINESS
WE DANCE FOR TEARS

WE DANCE FOR MADNESS
WE DANCE FOR FEARS

WE DANCE FOR HOPES
WE DANCE FOR SCREAMS

WE ARE DANCERS
WE CREATE DREAMS

[warped raft]

annual day

[wind raptor]

Nice

What is "annual day"?

[warped raft]

it is an annual event in a school' calendar
where there are various dances,acts,songs,speeches etc.

[wind raptor]

Awesome. Sounds fun

[warped raft]

yeah it would be

our out fit is something similar to this

[wind raptor]

Looks great for dancing

[warped raft]

it's not for dancing

it's for me anchoring

[wind raptor]

👍

[karmic obsidian]

hey hi @empty leaf

[empty leaf]

hello @karmic obsidian

[somber heath]

@tiny mortar 👋

[tiny mortar]

i cant talk

hello

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[tiny mortar]

!voice

[karmic obsidian]

hey hi @tiny mortar

you like functional programming?

[tiny mortar]

hiii

[tiny mortar]

yesss

[karmic obsidian]

cool

which one is ur fav?

[tiny mortar]

but oop is the best

whyyy

why i cant talk

[karmic obsidian]

you would have to fullfill some criteria

go read here

[tiny mortar]

i do

!voiceverify

[karmic obsidian]

go put that in the bot

[tiny mortar]

i put in bot-commands but nothings happen

what is c-python?

[karmic obsidian]

hey hi @uncut galleon

[somber heath]

@uncut galleon 👋

[karmic obsidian]

https://readthedocs.org/projects/cpython/

[somber heath]

@karmic obsidian #media-processing message

@solid musk 👋

[solid musk]

Hello

[somber heath]

@hybrid flax 👋

[hybrid flax]

yo

what u guys abt tho

[karmic obsidian]

finding ways

[solid musk]

ah ok, just read the rules, i have to write at least 50 messages before talking in VS, right ?

makes sense

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[candid juniper]

hello do you know what does dance means in " can urban engineers learn from dance"?

this is the full context

[karmic obsidian]

hey @somber heath you know what this pycache file mean?
I run some scripts and that is created in a dir but sometimes when I am running simple script it's not created?
you know why is there a inconsistency there?

[candid juniper]

please help me. i asked google and dictionaries but

[rugged root]

I've never heard of that phrase

[candid juniper]

😭

[willow light]

This reads like ChatGPT output…

[somber heath]

Someone was writing to a word count requirement.

[candid juniper]

what?

[candid juniper]

oh, it is ielts cambridge test

cam 15 pags 37

[somber heath]

I think that, if the author is a person, that person needs to look up the meaning of the word brevity.

[candid juniper]

.wa s define brevity

[viscid lagoon]

Wolfram Alpha

the use of brief expressions

[candid juniper]

@somber heath i think may be it really meant

[rugged root]

https://github.com/MrHemlock/auto_guild

[karmic obsidian]

https://github.com/ibrahim-string/RankMyResume

[gentle flint]

the act of moving rhythmically to music

just the normal definition

as you'll also see if you read paragraph B of the paper

[karmic obsidian]

https://regexr.com/

typosquatting

[somber heath]

Zonk

[rugged root]

Night night

[candid juniper]

uh yea

[rugged root]

@lilac kiln Hello. If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

[candid juniper]

i like discord very much. im proud of myself advoiding using facebook as much as possible and then meet discord when i was 13

[rugged root]

@upper crow Yo

[candid juniper]

discord is the best social media i know

i heard that there is twitter and twitter require money to use it. in my opinion that is very good. if ur not rich then just use other social media such as thread.

[lilac kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-gif-25736999

[candid juniper]

twitter will be clean and we wont meet troll on twitter. thats may be perfect? if you see no troll or bot or spam on twitter anymore thats entirely worth your money

look at how much effort people took to keep this community toxic free

[obsidian socket]

Can you please write down the command here

[stuck furnace]

Hello 👀

[rugged root]

!u

[wise cargo]

Mr. Hemlock (mr.hemlock)

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[rugged root]

Or !user

[obsidian socket]

Ow thanks

😂 👍🏻

!u

[wise cargo]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[karmic obsidian]

hey hi @stuck furnace

[stuck furnace]

What you all up to?

Erm, not much

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rugged root]

Weird. I just noticed, I used to be double jointed in my left thumb

I am not anymore

Probably for the best

@vocal basin Sup

[vocal basin]

trying to decide whether or not to resume doing the recent side-project

[rugged root]

What's the project in question?

[vocal basin]

tool to edit a text document from multiple clients

but, like, simple

it should work on mobile too

[rugged root]

@idle monolith Yo

[vocal basin]

I'm making it so I can edit something both from PC and Android

would probably be web-only

I have a server, so that's not the problem

[rugged root]

@whole bear Yo

[whole bear]

Hi

Good hru?

Oh I know about that

There is a certain song stuck in my mind

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand

[vocal basin]

rabbitmq is also good if some of the processes die halfway through dealing with a message

[whole bear]

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

[vocal basin]

yes

not really good for journaling

[whole bear]

How many people can talk on here?

Yes

[vocal basin]

because messages are supposed to be dropped eventually

[whole bear]

Alisa can you talk on VC?

[vocal basin]

closer to database journaling not journaling databases, yes

[whole bear]

Then why don't you talk?

Ok

What is the basics of Cybersecurity?

[vocal basin]

avoiding having to deal with cybersecurity

that's the basic

I'm using ZeroMQ for communicating between web server and a worker process (singular)

[whole bear]

Anyone know about PowerShell?

Can you tell me?

What is it used for?

[vocal basin]

main Windows CLI (more user-friendly compared to cmd.exe), but also works on other systems

[whole bear]

Bash vs PowerShell

Which is better?

[vocal basin]

it's more likely to have bash pre-installed on a Linux system

[whole bear]

What is the best OS system?

[vocal basin]

ZeroMQ is brokerless, so I don't have to manage another service

[whole bear]

Windows, Mac, Linux

[vocal basin]

SunOS 4.1

[whole bear]

I've been Windows baby since I was a baby

Although I want to learn about other OS system

Like Mac and linux

@rugged root

[rugged root]

Both are useful

Ubuntu or Debian are handy to know for server usages

[vocal basin]

Mac is closer to this than Linux, I think

[outer badger]

Well they both do simular things, but Ps is made for windows scripting. And bash is default for linux although you can run it on windows to

[vocal basin]

powershell works on linux too

[whole bear]

Yeah I know

[vocal basin]

ubuntu installer even suggests it

ubuntu server installer bloatware page

[outer badger]

Depends on what you want to use the OS for, for programming generally:

linux > mac > windows unless game dev then windows > mac > linux

[whole bear]

I think you are talking about Powershell +or whatever it is

[outer badger]

well true but post linux users dont write ps scrips to use on linux vs shell

[whole bear]

Automation seems fun

[vocal basin]

does alpine have bash preinstalled?

[whole bear]

I just wanna automate stuff

[vocal basin]

there is sh, which is less advanced

[whole bear]

hi

goig greaaaaaaaaaaat

how bout u?

I feel everyone here is married

like*

I'm 18

[vocal basin]

I meant this type of alpine

alisa@parrrate:~$ docker run -it --rm alpine
/ # bash
/bin/sh: bash: not found
/ #

[whole bear]

Besides you

[vocal basin]

ubuntu image has bash installed

[whole bear]

Mr. Hemlock is married right?

[vocal basin]

alpine has ash

[whole bear]

@rugged root

[vocal basin]

https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/bash

[whole bear]

nice to hear that

Is he/she nice?

[vocal basin]

At least 128 MB of RAM
too much

[whole bear]

Lucky

[vocal basin]

At least 0-700 MB space on a writable storage device.
too much

[whole bear]

Unfortunately I don't have a bff

may god give you both lot of happiness.

[vocal basin]

it can run without installation, ig

4GB?

just use ZFS

[whole bear]

Here is a good video I found about powershell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0

[vocal basin]

I think, yes, for ext4 there is a way

[whole bear]

Goddamiy

Goddamit

[vocal basin]

fun fact: my IP, when opened in a browser, redirects to rick roll proper

[vocal basin]

it can't get corrupted

[whole bear]

Did anyone get rickrolled?

[vocal basin]

just don't install anything, stuff everything into docker, even desktop

[vocal basin]

something goes wrong -> burn down everything

[whole bear]

God Dammit 😂

[rugged root]

<site_link_here>

[whole bear]

Wait what do I do?

[vocal basin]

markdown moment

[whole bear]

<site_link_here> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0

[vocal basin]

this

this uses both and <>

[whole bear]

Alisa Goddamit

I got rick rolled

[vocal basin]

right click -> copy text
to see the syntax

[whole bear]

I am still learming

[vocal basin]

is pico the smallest raspberry pi?
that's 264KB RAM

[rugged root]

@crystal jasper @plucky socket Yo

How goes it

[whole bear]

Ok bye yall

[vocal basin]

still ARM, but already crossing into microcontroller category rather than just small pc

[plucky socket]

Hey

[molten pewter]

Khanmigo

Khanamigo

[vocal basin]

wait wha
why is my used space is suddenly 74% instead of 84%

and that's not even Windows

I have 21GB free on Windows' system drive
"good enough"

[whole bear]

Is Cryptography Important for Cybersecurity?

[vocal basin]

awareness of algorithms and what systems use which -- that definitely is important

[whole bear]

What do I need to learn if I want to start cybersecurity?

[vocal basin]

as in understanding why SSL 1.0 or something similar shouldn't be used

[whole bear]

@rugged root

[dry jasper]

also for steganography etc

there are multiple uses of cryptography in cyber security

[vocal basin]

steganography is, like, <0.0001% of cybersec

[whole bear]

Animmo pls talk in VC

[dry jasper]

i did not said it was a big part, just that there is more to crypto that the obvious

[whole bear]

I mean I can live without coffee

But it just helps in the morning

When I want to stay awake

I can't live without Ice cream though

@rugged root

😂

Anyone wanna play chess?

@molten pewter Wanna play chess?

[vocal basin]

writing (mostly regular text, not code);
algorithm taxonomy (so that's just a lot of reading);
how to analyse a system (not necessarily just for vulnerabilities);

there's also other stuff that doesn't scream "security" but is important

[vocal basin]

do you know atomic chess?

[whole bear]

NO

No*

[vocal basin]

another funny mode

[quasi yacht]

why do i need py if i know js/ts?

[whole bear]

What is this?

[vocal basin]

knightmare

it's very offset in black's favor

[whole bear]

😂

[vocal basin]

it's -16 or -18 evaluation at the start, I think

[whole bear]

Wanna play this?

[vocal basin]

https://lichess.org/82XG5fnJ

[dry jasper]

trunkrs

[karmic obsidian]

hey can anyone suggest me some github repo which is beginner friendly ?

I am talking of something related to python

[whole bear]

Alisa gg

[vocal basin]

I was never winning the entire game

[whole bear]

gg tho

@rugged root wanna play chess?

[vocal basin]

nvm, it's only -13.6

[whole bear]

@amber raptor Wanna chess?

[rugged root]

@lavish rover https://github.com/collections/choosing-projects SerenityOS is 5th on that list

That really surprises me for some reason

Oooo

https://github.com/public-apis/public-apis

That's really cool, actually. Didn't know that there's a list like this

[lavish rover]

Oooh cool

[rugged root]

Found it when looking through like "Contribute to your first project"

[amber raptor]

https://medium.com/@baphemot/understanding-cors-18ad6b478e2b

[karmic obsidian]

thanks dude

[rugged root]

Look for tags like "Good first issue"

That'll help

[karmic obsidian]

thank you Hemlock

[rugged root]

Happy to help

[karmic obsidian]

if that's ur real name tho

[rugged root]

Close enough

[karmic obsidian]

cool

[rugged root]

@pulsar light What were you wanting to ask?

[pulsar light]

ok

#test
#guessing game:
import random

correct_guess = False
list1 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
s_n = random.choice(list1)
guess = 1 
guess_limit= 5
v = input("   \n     Hello, Tell me you name.  ")
print(s_n)

try:
    w= int(input('   \nHi '+ v + '. Lets play a game!. Im thinking of a number between 1 to 15. You think you are able to guess it?, just so you know you have 5 tries.  \n  \n  Take a guess:   '))
    while guess <= guess_limit:
        
        if w == s_n:
                correct_guess = True
                break
        elif s_n + 1<= w <=s_n +4:
            print('   \nYour guess was a little bit too high, try again:   ')
        elif s_n - 5 <= w <= s_n - 1:
            print("   \nYour guess was a little bit too low, try again:   ")
        elif w <= s_n - 6:
            print("   \nYour guess was way too low, try again:   ")
        elif s_n + 4 <= w <= s_n + 9:
            print('   \nYour guess was way too high, try guessing lower:   ')
        elif w > 15:
            print("   \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
            w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))
            continue
        guess += 1 
        w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))
    if correct_guess:
        print("   \nExcellent job " + v + ", You guessed right!.   ")
        if guess == 1:
            print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " try!.")
        else:
            print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " tries!.")
    elif guess > guess_limit:
            print("\nSorry, " + v + ", you've run out of guesses. My number was " + str(s_n) + ".")  

except ValueError:
    print('   \nYou can only type a number!')

if i lost 4 guesses

and got the last one right

i get printed loss

@rugged root

[rugged root]

Thinking

[pulsar light]

alright)

[rugged root]

So the issue is that you're asking for another input after incrementing the guess count.

guess += 1
w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))

So your guess count may go over the limit, meaning it'll hop out of the while loop before it can reach the:

if w == s_n:
  correct_guess = True

So correct guess is never updated

I would scoot the guess input to the top of the loop rather than the bottom

[pulsar light]

wait so where should i put w

[rugged root]

while guess <= guess_limit:
    w = int(input('Make a guess'))

That way, it won't ask you after you've already ran out of guesses

x = 5
x = x + 3
# is the same as
x += 3

Explaining that to Scorpion, just to give you context Rayane

[pulsar light]

hahaha i wondered

[rugged root]

@rose shadow If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

@sinful parrot Yo

[sinful parrot]

hello

could someone help me install a package its not really python related but maybe u can help

[rugged root]

What're you trying to do?

[sinful parrot]

so i want to get the data dumps from this music database discogs into a postgres database

theres this tool to accomplish this

https://github.com/DylanBartels/discogs-load

and i cant get it to work lol

[rugged root]

@grim parcel https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/community-resources

[rugged root]

Is it on crates.io?

[grim parcel]

https://github.com/plasma-umass/scalene

[novel tangle]

nice

[gentle flint]

https://www.dumpert.nl/item/100070534_1db56dfa

[rugged root]

So absurd

Skigypt

Skegypt

[pulsar light]

@rugged root ```py
#test
#guessing game:
import random

correct_guess = False
list1 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
s_n = random.choice(list1)
guess = 1
guess_limit= 5
v = input(" \n Hello, Tell me you name. ")
print(s_n)
z = int(input(' \n Take a guess: '))

try:
w= print(' \nHi '+ v + '. Lets play a game!. Im thinking of a number between 1 to 15. You think you are able to guess it?, just so you know you have 5 tries.')
while guess <= guess_limit:
w = int(input(' \n Take another guess: '))
if w == s_n and z == s_n:
correct_guess = True
break
elif s_n + 1<= w and z <=s_n +4:
print(' \nYour guess was a little bit too high, try again: ')
elif s_n - 5 <= w and z<= s_n - 1:
print(" \nYour guess was a little bit too low, try again: ")
elif w <= s_n - 6:
print(" \nYour guess was way too low, try again: ")
elif s_n + 4 <= w and z<= s_n + 9:
print(' \nYour guess was way too high, try guessing lower: ')
elif w > 15 and z >15:
print(" \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
w = int(input(' \n Take another guess: '))
continue
guess += 1
if correct_guess:
print(" \nExcellent job " + v + ", You guessed right!. ")
if guess == 1:
print(" \n You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " try!.")
else:
print(" \n You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " tries!.")
elif guess > guess_limit:
print("\nSorry, " + v + ", you've run out of guesses. My number was " + str(s_n) + ".")

except ValueError:
print(' \nYou can only type a number!')

what do u think about this

there is a problem tho

[rugged root]

In the:

elif w > 15 and z > 15:
  print("   \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
  w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))

That input is redundant

[pulsar light]

what u mean)?

[rugged root]

Since you're asking for input at the top of the loop now, you don't need to ask it before you go back to the top

[pulsar light]

ahh yes

but i have a bigger problem

[rugged root]

Shoot

[pulsar light]

when i run the code z just gets printed

because i put it on the top

[rugged root]

Oh I see

So infinite loop issue

I'd just do a smaller while loop at the top specifically to check if that value is within the range you want

[novel tangle]

nice story

[pulsar light]

can u provide me with the code)

[rugged root]

Wait why do you need z?

[pulsar light]

i need it so

when i get first msg i get take a guess

but if i get it wrong ill get take "another" guess

[tacit iris]

what's up guys

yeah currently stuck in some fastapi bullshittery rn 😦

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-25824935

[rugged root]

So I'd get rid of z, and do this instead:

    while guess <= guess_limit:
        if guess =< 1:
            w = int(input('    \n Take a guess:    '))
        else:
            w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))
        ...

Wait, that logic might be off

But you get what I'm trying to do right?

[pulsar light]

omg

that is just smart

u are 20000000000 iq

[rugged root]

Just comes with experience

[pulsar light]

bro

[rugged root]

Oh also

[pulsar light]

20 years?

[rugged root]

!f-strings

[wise cargo]

Format-strings

Creating a Python string with your variables using the + operator can be difficult to write and read. F-strings (format-strings) make it easy to insert values into a string. If you put an f in front of the first quote, you can then put Python expressions between curly braces in the string.

>>> snake = "pythons"
>>> number = 21
>>> f"There are {number * 2} {snake} on the plane."
"There are 42 pythons on the plane."

Note that even when you include an expression that isn't a string, like number * 2, Python will convert it to a string for you.

[rugged root]

Use f-strings instead of string concatenation

[tacit iris]

lmao I once got an F on an assignment because I used f-string

[rugged root]

You'll thank yourself

Wait seriously?

Laaaaaame

[tacit iris]

yes

because "they didn't teach f-string yet"

and they never touched f-string ever again

so

I call bullshit

yeah but the prof took off the entire credit for missing a space or something

so I would say she was the crazy one

tbh

I worked as a TA for the same prof

and my job was easier

coz I just hash the stdout and the student's answer don't match

I just give 0

30 lines of python and it's done

[wise cargo]

@silent sequoia :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Useless use of lambdas: <function <lambda> at 0x7efc0064ea20>

[tacit iris]

lol

[rugged root]

!e

java = f"Useless use of lambdas: { (lambda x: x*2)(4) }"
print(java)

[wise cargo]

@rugged root :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Useless use of lambdas: 8

[tacit iris]

oh what time is it for you all?

1301?

same

2001 for me

[novel tangle]

2332

[tacit iris]

huh

I never knew it is possible to implement a whole browser engine from scratch these days

https://ladybird.dev/

oh this one

[tacit iris]

LOL

Oh it's in the main serenityos repo as well

interesting

[lavish rover]

[e-mail]

[tacit iris]

WASM support?

wow

[rugged root]

https://test262.fyi/#|libjs

[tacit iris]

yoooo

this repo is a gem

well not a literal gem

it's a python server not a ruby one

but

[pulsar light]

@rugged root

#test
#guessing game:
import random

correct_guess = False
list1 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
s_n = random.choice(list1)
guess = 1 
guess_limit= 4
v = input("   \n     Hello, Tell me you name.  ")
print(s_n)


try:
    w= print('   \nHi '+ v + '. Lets play a game!. Im thinking of a number between 1 to 15. You think you are able to guess it?, just so you know you have 5 tries.')
    while guess <= guess_limit:
            if guess <= 1:
                w = int(input('    \n Take a guess:    '))
            else:
                
                z = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))

            if w == s_n or z == s_n:
                correct_guess = True
                break
            elif s_n + 1<= (w or z) <=s_n +4:
                print('   \nYour guess was a little bit too high, try again:   ')
            elif s_n - 5 <= (w or z)<= s_n - 1:
                print("   \nYour guess was a little bit too low, try again:   ")
            elif w <= s_n - 6 or z <= s_n - 6:
                print("   \nYour guess was way too low, try again:   ")
            elif s_n + 4 <= w or z<= s_n + 9:
                print('   \nYour guess was way too high, try guessing lower:   ')
            elif w > 15 or z >15:
                print("   \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
                continue
            guess += 1 
            if correct_guess:
                print("   \nExcellent job " + v + ", You guessed right!.   ")
            if guess == 1:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " try!.")
            else:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " tries!.")
            if guess > guess_limit:
                print("\nSorry, " + v + ", you've run out of guesses. My number was " + str(s_n) + ".")  

except ValueError:
    print('   \nYou can only type a number!')

[rugged root]

No no

[pulsar light]

it didnt work(

[rugged root]

You don't need z

[pulsar light]

i need w?

[rugged root]

Yeah

[gentle flint]

zwz

wzw

[rugged root]

s_n + 1<= (w or z) <=s_n +4:

s_n + 1 <= w <= s_n + 4

[tacit iris]

why is the continue clause

only in the larger than 15 case

[pulsar light]

#test
#guessing game:
import random

correct_guess = False
list1 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
s_n = random.choice(list1)
guess = 1 
guess_limit= 4
v = input("   \n     Hello, Tell me you name.  ")
print(s_n)


try:
    w= print('   \nHi '+ v + '. Lets play a game!. Im thinking of a number between 1 to 15. You think you are able to guess it?, just so you know you have 5 tries.')
    while guess <= guess_limit:
        if guess <= 1:
            w = int(input('    \n Take a guess:    '))
        else:
                
            w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))

            if w == s_n:
                correct_guess = True
                break
            elif s_n + 1<= w <=s_n +4:
                print('   \nYour guess was a little bit too high, try again:   ')
            elif s_n - 5 <= w <= s_n - 1:
                print("   \nYour guess was a little bit too low, try again:   ")
            elif w <= s_n - 6:
                print("   \nYour guess was way too low, try again:   ")
            elif s_n + 4 <= w:
                print('   \nYour guess was way too high, try guessing lower:   ')
            elif w > 15:
                print("   \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
                continue
            guess += 1 
        if correct_guess:
                print("   \nExcellent job " + v + ", You guessed right!.   ")
        if guess == 1:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " try!.")
        else:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " tries!.")
        if guess > guess_limit:
                print("\nSorry, " + v + ", you've run out of guesses. My number was " + str(s_n) + ".")  

except ValueError:
    print('   \nYou can only type a number!')

[tacit iris]

wait

[tacit iris]

lines starting from if w == s_n: must be dedented?

[pulsar light]

#test
#guessing game:
import random

correct_guess = False
list1 = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
s_n = random.choice(list1)
guess = 1 
guess_limit= 4
v = input("   \n     Hello, Tell me you name.  ")
print(s_n)


try:
    w= print('   \nHi '+ v + '. Lets play a game!. Im thinking of a number between 1 to 15. You think you are able to guess it?, just so you know you have 5 tries.')
    while guess <= guess_limit:
        if guess <= 1:
            w = int(input('    \n Take a guess:    '))
        else:
                
            w = int(input('    \n Take another guess:    '))

        if w == s_n:
                correct_guess = True
                break
        elif s_n + 1<= w <=s_n +4:
                print('   \nYour guess was a little bit too high, try again:   ')
        elif s_n - 5 <= w <= s_n - 1:
                print("   \nYour guess was a little bit too low, try again:   ")
        elif w <= s_n - 6:
                print("   \nYour guess was way too low, try again:   ")
        elif s_n + 4 <= w:
                print('   \nYour guess was way too high, try guessing lower:   ')
        elif w > 15:
                print("   \nYou can only type numbers between 1 and 15!.")
                continue
    guess += 1 
    if correct_guess:
                print("   \nExcellent job " + v + ", You guessed right!.   ")
    if guess == 1:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " try!.")
    else:
                print("   \n  You guessed my number in " + str(guess) + " tries!.")
    if guess > guess_limit:
                print("\nSorry, " + v + ", you've run out of guesses. My number was " + str(s_n) + ".")  

except ValueError:
    print('   \nYou can only type a number!')

[tacit iris]

almost there

sucrose?

sucrose is sugar

aww

[novel tangle]

send me that youtube channel

link

[lavish rover]

https://www.youtube.com/c/andreaskling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byNwCHc_IIM&t=4002s&pp=ygUfYW5kcmVhcyBrbGluZyB3cml0aW5nIEpTIGVuZ2luZQ%3D%3D

[solemn isle]

hi

Dang that is horrible

[cobalt cloak]

the more horrible thing is that there are civillian hostages in gaza some of them are kids

there is a vid of a hostage kid crying for his mother while palestinians kids and adults laugh at him and beat him up

there are footages of entire familys lying dead in the street

there was a party with over 3000 people want to celebrate and then hamas terrorists did there a mass shooting killed over 260 people and injured over 100

[rugged root]

Why the hate on the scope

[rugged root]

I can never get a good view on those

[lavish rover]

https://github.com/3b1b/manim

[dry jasper]

https://youtu.be/kjBOesZCoqc?list=PL0-GT3co4r2y2YErbmuJw2L5tW4Ew2O5B

[lavish rover]

https://github.com/3b1b/videos/tree/master/_2016/eola

[dry jasper]

https://youtu.be/ycJkduige8w

[whole bear]

guys

python is trash

[amber raptor]

true

[stuck furnace]

[stuck furnace]

Very nice 😄

[toxic arch]

nice sound effects @lavish rover

[karmic obsidian]

Yeah that species of snakes are trash

[novel tangle]

bye gn

[whole bear]

Hi

[obtuse cape]

hello

everyone gone

[pulsar light]

@lavish rover

@rugged root

[ionic flicker]

hello

[shy raft]

hello fellow monke

[somber heath]

@viral jackal 👋

@lament hornet 👋

[lament hornet]

How's it going?

Can I ask you a question?

[somber heath]

You can, but whether I have a useful answer or not is another matter.

[lament hornet]

That's fine, what is the point of the asynchio module in python?

[somber heath]

The clue is in the name.

It's often used to deal with communication situations, where you might be waiting around for the other party to communicate, but you want to do other things as well while you're waiting.

I don't know enough about it to explain it well.

You can ask around in the #async-and-concurrency channel or look at #❓｜how-to-get-help or ask in #python-discussion.

[lament hornet]

I've watched a couple of videos on it, and it kind of seems like it just controls which part of the program has Priority First, and it does so Through Time delays, so do you mean that a user can put their input in and don't they don't have to wait for a back and forth between them and someone else, so if they wanted to send two messages before the other person sent one, they could do so without any issues?

[somber heath]

My own understanding of it is very shaky.

[lament hornet]

Gotcha, that makes sense.

[somber heath]

It's an event loop system...it might do threading behind the scenes...that's all I kind of understand maybe.

[lament hornet]

I don't know what event loops, or threading is, so I guess that's what I have to look up next lmao.😂😂😂😂😂

[vocal basin]

concurrency without the overhead of threading (generally), achieved via cooperative multitasking

[somber heath]

@tidal anchor @mystic haven @dark meteor 👋

[mystic haven]

hello good sir

[somber heath]

@cursive arch 👋

[vocal basin]

Python's default async implementation keeps all the tasks and other stuff that directly interacts with the event loop in a single thread
I doubt that's going to change any time soon even if GIL is gone

[lament hornet]

I think I understand now, it makes it to where you can process more than one part of a program at the same time, and not have to worry about them outputting at the same time.

[vocal basin]

almost same for JS, but there event loop internals are implemented in the engine, so parts (mostly IO) might be (and often are) offloaded to other threads

there are also languages like Go/Lua where this all is more implicit

Rust is kind of weird because it doesn't have the notion of an event loop embedded into the definiton of async

[lament hornet]

In that case, do you only use time delays in a program when you know that one of the threads is going to take longer to process than another, so it gives it a time delay so that way you can do another thing while you're waiting for it to process then come back to that when it's done?

[vocal basin]

it's not delay-based most of the time, in case of async

there are mechanisms built into the OS that help waiting on multiple things simultaneously

[lament hornet]

Gotcha so it's just so that way the interpreter doesn't stay idle on something that's taking longer to process than you would like it to, making it to where you can do another thing in the program while you're waiting for it?

[vocal basin]

instead of a delay, it's usually just "not done yet, come back later" while scheduling something to wake up the task

[mental wolf]

hi

i made

a code

[lament hornet]

How's it going?

[mental wolf]

can anyone

rat'

rate

[stark cairn]

how are you virtual?

[tidal anchor]

i need help with code project

[stark cairn]

How are you aesha

[tidal anchor]

here is the code

import turtle # allows us to use the turtles module
import random # allows us to use the random module

wn = turtle.Screen()

t = turtle.Turtle()
wn.bgcolor('light sky blue')
turtle.setup(800, 400)
t.fillcolor('green')
t.begin_fill()
t.forward(400)
t.right(90)
t.forward(200)
t.right(90)
t.forward(800)
t.right(90)
t.forward(200)
t.end_fill()

def drawleaf(t,size,color):
t.circle(radius, extent=None, steps=None)
tp = t.pos()
th = t.heading()
t.fillcolor(color)
t.begin_fill()
t.circle(size, 120)
t.penup()
t.setpos(tp)
t.right(180)
t.circle(size, -120)
t.end_fill()
t.setpos(tp)
t.seth(th)

def drawFlowerBud(t,size=100,leafColor='light green',stigmaColor='yellow',n=12):
t.speed(0)
tp = t,pos()
th = L.heading()
for leaf in range(n):
drawLeaf(t,size,leafColor)
t.right(360/n)
t.up()
L.seLpos(Lp)
t.backsize(size//4)
t.right(90)
t.pendown()
t.fillcolor(stigmacolor)
t.begin_fill()
t.circle(size//4)
t.end_fill()

drawFlowerBud(t)

but flower wont draw

[vocal basin]

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[tidal anchor]

why not

[stark cairn]

How are you doing faded

[lament hornet]

I'm doing all right, how about you manjuice?

[tidal anchor]

not so good

i need this code done in 45 mins

[vocal basin]

exam?

[tidal anchor]

my project is due in 45 mins

no

[stark cairn]

I am doing great however my grandpa just passed due to testicular cancer but I keep pushing through for papa

[tidal anchor]

projecct

[tidal anchor]

im sorry to hear that

[vivid shell]

hi

[mental wolf]

i have benign tumor on my left testicular

[vivid shell]

i cant even screen share

bruh

[vocal basin]

what are you using random for?

[tidal anchor]

can anyone help me or no

[vivid shell]

i need help im so bad at explaning

[tidal anchor]

i am so screwed

[mental wolf]

doctor said i have 4 days to live until my testicular explodes

[lament hornet]

That sucks, I'm sorry to hear about that, I'm glad that you're managing well with it.

[tidal anchor]

i want to draw flowers of random sizes

[vivid shell]

true

my fault

[stark cairn]

I am sorry, I hope you make it through unlike my grandpa, although he was an alcoholic he had so much heart ❤️

[mental wolf]

im an alcoholic too

[tidal anchor]

using it to draw random sizes because its supposed to be persective art

[vocal basin]

missing turtle. in multiple places

[tidal anchor]

like the farther the flowers are away the smaller theu get

where

[vocal basin]

and generally, NameError

what are you using to write the code?

[tidal anchor]

python idle

[mental wolf]

my dad said if i dont code like my uncles in india he will banish me to hell

[dark meteor]

why is the import turtle and import random from chat gpt 😭

[mental wolf]

i use chat gpt for my final project and lost 20% of my final grade

[stark cairn]

I am currently 59 years of age, I failed high school and my wife left me. I want to probe all of them wrong and learn to code and make a career out of is it possible?

[mental wolf]

no its over for you usless

[stark cairn]

☹️

[tidal anchor]

@vocal basin

[tidal anchor]

help

[vocal basin]

7 name errors

[tidal anchor]

what is a name error

[vocal basin]

check variable and function names

[mental wolf]

are you a discord kitten

[stark cairn]

Alisa do u think I can become a coder and make a career out of it

I am 59 years old

[lament hornet]

It's not over for you man juice, it's still possible to learn to code and make a career out of it, as for you arsha, that was really rude to say.

[vocal basin]

an example:

[tidal anchor]

do i need to store values as variableS?

[vocal basin]

possible -- yes
feasible -- I don't know; I don't have a career myself

[stark cairn]

Thank you, my wife left me for my Bulgarian friend and it has been a very challenging time in my life and with my grandpa passing of testicular cancer I appreciate your words of motivation 😀

[vocal basin]

function is named drawleaf not drawLeaf

[mental wolf]

always the bulgs

[tidal anchor]

oh shi ok lemm cahnge that'

[tidal anchor]

ok i changed it

how do i make it draw the leaf

[stark cairn]

I actuallt used to be a professional UFC fighter however my career went downhill when they closed the featherweight division, i suffered head trauma

[mental wolf]

my 8 kids left me

[stark cairn]

It was difficult to make a living as a fighter back in the day so I struggled and worked part time at a restaurant

[vocal basin]

I don't know; never used turtle to draw leaves before

[dark meteor]

i think maybe use a function to draw something oval shapped

as the leaves

[stark cairn]

My head is oval shaped

[dark meteor]

then adjust the angle and put it into a loop

[tidal anchor]

do u know anyonme who can

[stark cairn]

Because of the repeated poundings to the head

Demetrius Johnson actuallt humiliated me in the ONE mma championship

[vocal basin]

after that is fixed, there is something that almost works, I guess

beyond just fixing variable names -- I don't know

[tidal anchor]

ok can u show me the fixed code>

[stark cairn]

Wow that is impressive with code! If I didn’t have a damaged brain maybe I could see it however I am blind partially in one eye due to repeated head trauma

[tidal anchor]

can u center the pettel?

[stark cairn]

I am sorry for being such a gloomy gus

[vocal basin]

I have no idea which parts of code do what

[tidal anchor]

ok just paste it

i wanna see it

il ask my teacher

for assistance tmr

[stark cairn]

Guys search me up on UFC my name is Jon Jones I was pretty good

But not as good as Derrick Lewis

I had to retire early due to head trauma

I have a fight coming up against stipe miocic

Maybe I will bend him over and put him in guilltoine?

[vocal basin]

since you don't have the help of an IDE, here is the list of the name errors it would've shown:

radius
pos
L
drawLeaf
Lp
stigmacolor

other errors are attribute errors, mostly on Turtle

those can be fixed if you have access to stderr (error output) and documentation

[tidal anchor]

can u send the workuing code?

so i can fix it so its centered

cus i am trying to recrerate this

'

but with differnt types of flowers

[somber heath]

We're not going to do your homework for you.

[tidal anchor]

i understand

i just need to know how to fix what ive got

[mental wolf]

I just lost my house gambling

Dear god

[vocal basin]

an attempt to represent one of such models visually

I used to play mostly 1 minute chess because I'm lazy to think

[somber heath]

@serene cargo 👋

[vocal basin]

back to provisional rating

@whole bear have you ever played knightmare? (odds variant of chess)

rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/NNNNKNNN w kq - 0 1

^this

slightly imbalanced

[vocal basin]

this is just a generic event loop

(part of it)

very simplified

which website?

I can't easily use chess.com, it's banned here

the site is banned; I'm not banned

I had bullet rating of around 1000 on chess.com

1420 on lichess

that's around median

or used to be

[waxen barn]

@somber heath

whats the name of tthat minecraft launcher you have?

I lost it when I switched back to windows 10

I remember it was like JD launcher or smth

[shy raft]

greetings

[vocal basin]

curseforge have their own tool for managing installations (currently owned by overwolf, I think)
but it uses the default mojang launcher

it used to be Curse, then Twitch, now Overwolf

if wi-fi fails, it might be due to misconfiguration

it may be fixable

"including the universal way to fix wi-fi which is to use cable instead"

[waxen barn]

Yea I am not used to using mods so I dont know a lot a bout then

[wise loom]

always works actually, so.. a very battle-tested way to do things

[vocal basin]

my ethernet cable is slower than wi-fi because either the connector is attached incorrectly or something else is malfunctioning in the cable itself

(I wasn't attaching the connectors, an employee from the ISP was)

[waxen barn]

yea no my supplier is just being an ass today so nothing i can do

[vocal basin]

2 boosts, last time I had it

[vocal basin]

so the connection is not getting recognised as capable of gbps

and it's at 100mpbs

it may also be faulty router, but that's too depressive of a situation

[vocal basin]

I'm too lazy to do the rewiring myself

[wise loom]

a router is how much.. $85 ?

blow $85 on a new router

[vocal basin]

$0.2 for two connectors hopefully will be enough

[wise loom]

updated the list of books, wanted to link it here #pedagogy message

[somber heath]

@nova stream 👋

[wise loom]

@waxen barn https://www.7-eleven.com.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/SiopaoAdobo_Website-Posting_400x400-px.jpg

also found this https://www.minimeinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/hotta-rice-e1587714732347.jpg

[somber heath]

@haughty fog 👋

[haughty fog]

👋

[somber heath]

@gritty wyvern 👋

[gritty wyvern]

hi

i was wondering if I could get help

im really new to python

[somber heath]

Sure. What's up?

[cerulean ridge]

PHI is believed to be the result of isolated remaining nerve fibers firing when they shouldn't, giving false sensations that fool the central nervous system. Patients often report the sensation of insects on their skin when there aren't any.
https://www.drugtopics.com/view/understanding-and-treating-postherpetic-itch
@somber heath

[gritty wyvern]

its really hard to describe ngl

you think we can call in a personal vc if thats chill?

[somber heath]

Oh, PHI. I thought you said it felt like insects were in your eye.

[somber heath]

I avoid dm vc.

[gritty wyvern]

i understand

ill type it out

basically I want to make a calorie, fat, protein tracker and I was wondering if I can write code from the user input into a seperate file and have that file load in when i run the code

[somber heath]

Yes.

[gritty wyvern]

is that possible?

/with a interpreter like idle

?*

[somber heath]

You can use a database, or you can use json, or you can dump the text in a file and parse it yourself.

[gritty wyvern]

forsure

what is json?

[somber heath]

!d json

[wise cargo]

json

Source code: Lib/json/__init__.py

JSON (JavaScript Object Notation), specified by RFC 7159 (which obsoletes RFC 4627) and by ECMA-404, is a lightweight data interchange format inspired by JavaScript object literal syntax (although it is not a strict subset of JavaScript 1 ).

Warning

Be cautious when parsing JSON data from untrusted sources. A malicious JSON string may cause the decoder to consume considerable CPU and memory resources. Limiting the size of data to be parsed is recommended.

json exposes an API familiar to users of the standard library marshal and pickle modules.

Encoding basic Python object hierarchies:

Similar names: urllib3.json

[somber heath]

!d open

[wise cargo]

open

open(file, mode='r', buffering=- 1, encoding=None, errors=None, newline=None, closefd=True, opener=None)```
Open *file* and return a corresponding [file object](https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-file-object). If the file cannot be opened, an [`OSError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#OSError) is raised. See [Reading and Writing Files](https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/inputoutput.html#tut-files) for more examples of how to use this function.

*file* is a [path-like object](https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-path-like-object) giving the pathname (absolute or relative to the current working directory) of the file to be opened or an integer file descriptor of the file to be wrapped. (If a file descriptor is given, it is closed when the returned I/O object is closed unless *closefd* is set to `False`.)

[somber heath]

!d with

[wise cargo]

with

8.5. The with statement

The with statement is used to wrap the execution of a block with methods defined by a context manager (see section With Statement Context Managers). This allows common try…except…finally usage patterns to be encapsulated for convenient reuse.

with_stmt          ::=  "with" ( "(" with_stmt_contents ","? ")" | with_stmt_contents ) ":" suite
with_stmt_contents ::=  with_item ("," with_item)*
with_item          ::=  expression ["as" target]
``` The execution of the [`with`](https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#with) statement with one “item” proceeds as follows:

Similar names: django.with, psycopg2.with

[gritty wyvern]

so 'open' opens files into code?

i dont understand json and with ill look on youtube

[somber heath]

open gives you a representation of a file which you can then read from or write from.

[gritty wyvern]

i see

open is really important then

[somber heath]

It's not the same as the data itself.

[gritty wyvern]

i see

[somber heath]

It's often used

[gritty wyvern]

i see

ill look on youtube on it

[somber heath]

pathlib is also used in a similar way

[gritty wyvern]

fs

[somber heath]

!d pathlib

[wise cargo]

pathlib

New in version 3.4.

Source code: Lib/pathlib.py

This module offers classes representing filesystem paths with semantics appropriate for different operating systems. Path classes are divided between pure paths, which provide purely computational operations without I/O, and concrete paths, which inherit from pure paths but also provide I/O operations.

If you’ve never used this module before or just aren’t sure which class is right for your task, Path is most likely what you need. It instantiates a concrete path for the platform the code is running on.

Pure paths are useful in some special cases; for example: