voice-chat-text-0

[grizzled ruin]

im not allowed yet lol

[hollow perch]

okay thxx you
its just for server side its not very usefull to use venv every time 😦
but possible thx u 👍

[wise loom]

4chan wtf?

[hollow perch]

its partitionning or all hdd/sdd ?

[obsidian dragon]

@wise loomyeah what of it

all seperate

[hollow perch]

nice

2TB of games

[devout bloom]

someone know a good book to teach me how to write fat models and thinner views in django?

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @devout bloom until <t:1696601659:f> (10 minutes) (reason: mentions spam - sent 6 mentions).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[somber heath]

Whoopsy-doodle, you're a noodle! 😁

I'm also a noodle, but it's all LX's fault. 😁

@gritty karma 👋

[gritty karma]

hi!

[wind raptor]

My latest pl/sql program:

DECLARE
    p_month NUMBER := 10;
    p_msg VARCHAR2(14);
    CURSOR c_pledges IS
    SELECT idpledge, iddonor, pledgeamt, paymonths
    FROM dd_pledge
    WHERE TO_CHAR(pledgedate, 'MM') = LPAD(TO_CHAR(p_month), 2, '0')
    ORDER BY paymonths;
BEGIN
    FOR p IN c_pledges LOOP
        IF (p.paymonths = 0) THEN
            p_msg := 'Lump Sum';
        ELSE
            p_msg := 'Monthly ** ' || TO_CHAR(p.paymonths);
        END IF;
        DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE(p.idpledge || ' - ' || p.iddonor || ' - ' || 
                             p.pledgeamt || ' - ' || p_msg);
    END LOOP;
END;

[somber heath]

Soup or glue? You decide!

[alpine crow]

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/test-driven-web-development-with-python_harry-percival/11561547/item/55906144/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=low_vol_f%2Fm%2Fs_standard_shopping_customer_aquisition&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=603452145786&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7O6jgNDhgQMVwzrUAR0IJgv7EAQYAyABEgIzYvD_BwE#idiq=55906144&edition=11189271

[somber heath]

@clear linden @rancid warren 👋

Cures

[rancid warren]

hi

[somber heath]

Inexacto knife.

@mossy wing 👋

[mossy wing]

hello

wassup

[somber heath]

@cosmic pendant 👋

!voice @rancid warren

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[lapis brook]

hello

bro i started learning pythan 🙂

but what i will do after i learned python

[somber heath]

Learn more Python.

Learn other languages.

Learn data structures and algorithms.

Find love, start a family, pay taxes, grow old, die.

Possibly not the first two.

[willow gate]

@somber heath hello

[somber heath]

Tree bushy.

[obsidian socket]

Hi everyone

I need to check the implementation of the keyword in but I did not find it in the Cpython repository can you guys help me with this please?

[rugged root]

Oh like in the CPython source code?

[obsidian socket]

Yes, it would be better, or can you guide me on how to find it?

[rugged root]

I can guide you to someone who might know.... #internals-and-peps would know better than I would

Especially for something so specific like that particular keyword

[obsidian socket]

Okay thank you 🙏🏻

[grim parcel]

I gotta wait about a day to talk in vcs

Yeah, that's one thing

I

Rats?

sure

haha

[obsidian socket]

I'm looking for it you know 😅

[vocal basin]

specific type?

[grim parcel]

I thought you had an infestation

I was going to recommend getting a BB rifle and a cat

[rugged root]

Rats (that you intende to have) are adorable

[obsidian socket]

What do you mean? I'm looking for the keyword in

[grim parcel]

quick fact: I'm new to python

[vocal basin]

what do you mean by "implementation of the keyword"?

[rugged root]

How it's implemented in CPython

Like the source code

[vocal basin]

like, no, that still makes no sense

there's syntax

and what it actually does

[rugged root]

But there's still something in CPython that tells how the code handles == and in, right?

[somber heath]

Star, Muriel.

[rugged root]

How does it handle the object comparison (I'm guessing that's what you're meaning, Davi, didn't mean to speak for you)

[vocal basin]

so, __contains__ handling is the question, right?

[rugged root]

I'm an idiot, I was thinking is

Ignore me

[grim parcel]

I remember the only time I saw a rat, it was killed and disposed right away

[vocal basin]

this is very type specific

[grim parcel]

wow

[grim parcel]

Well, she's a rat

[grim parcel]

I could see that you're using a camera stand as a kind of table

[somber heath]

Tara

[vocal basin]

what specific question do you have about the implementation?

[grim parcel]

Thumb piano?

[somber heath]

Denatonium benzoate.

[grim parcel]

Ohhhhhh, I know it

[grim parcel]

I spray deoderant in my shoes

I used to chew those aglets as a kid

[obsidian socket]

This is the code for __contains__ for list obj

static int
list_contains(PyListObject *a, PyObject *el)
{
    PyObject *item;
    Py_ssize_t i;
    int cmp;

    for (i = 0, cmp = 0 ; cmp == 0 && i < Py_SIZE(a); ++i) {
        item = PyList_GET_ITEM(a, i);
        Py_INCREF(item);
        cmp = PyObject_RichCompareBool(item, el, Py_EQ);
        Py_DECREF(item);
    }
    return cmp;
}

so I want to see when using in how does it work?

[grim parcel]

Some kids chew on weirs too.

[rugged root]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-stream.html#asyncio.open_connection

[woeful escarp]

Sup guys just lost 500$ to gambling

At 16

That’s a lot of money

[rugged root]

My condolences

What kind of gambling?

[woeful escarp]

in game item

Lolll

Worth 500$ value

[rugged root]

Which game?

[woeful escarp]

Da Hood it’s not a known game but has its in game value and trading community

[rugged root]

And how do you feel about what happened?

[woeful escarp]

Honestly I gained experience

Not too sad about it

Just don’t gamble

👍

[rugged root]

That's a good takeaway. Or if you do gamble, make sure you're only gambling up to a certain limit, don't let yourself go over that, and if you win and can take out what you initially put in, do that

Then you can just keep playing on what else is still in

[woeful escarp]

Yeahhh

[rugged root]

Then it's just fun money

[woeful escarp]

The thing is

I couldn’t afford to lose the item

I wouldn’t really care if it was a smaller thing

[rugged root]

So was it you trying to go for a more expensive item or was it like put down x amount of money to potentially win that $500 item?

[woeful escarp]

It was item for item

He also had the same item as me

Same items were gambled

I was gonna have 2 of it

So double the value

[rugged root]

Live and learn

[woeful escarp]

Ya

[rugged root]

You know what they say

You need street smarts if you're in Da Hood

[woeful escarp]

Yes

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/xAYT.gif

[woeful escarp]

Anyways

I’m just going to leave The game for a while

And try and learn python

Take a break from it

[rugged root]

Probably wise.

[woeful escarp]

To be fair

When I was trading I barely made profit

And it wasted so much of my time

I think it’s better to learn something for now

[rugged root]

Hence being here for Python?

[woeful escarp]

Yep

[rugged root]

Niiice

[woeful escarp]

Mostly trying to automate things using python

Actually

When I was trading

I thought of a pretty clever idea

I hired 2 developers to make me it

Basically what it does is it auto advertises what you are trading in servers you pick and comes with a auto reply feature so you don’t have to sit there sending your Ads

[storm heath]

hi guys

[woeful escarp]

Sup

[rugged root]

Still working on stuff like that or working on something different?

[obsidian socket]

Still looking for C code of in keyword 😂

[vocal basin]

I think the most interesting __contains__ implementation would likely be for str

because others are trivial

media creation tool

for windows

there might be special live distributions, yeah

"* allegedly safe"

[mortal sundial]

what are the odds of me learning python while being full time in school?

[rugged root]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

[mortal sundial]

i just need the drive and i dont have it yet, i dont know how to get the drive to code like this/

[vocal basin]

Zebras seems to actually be in some level of endangerment

one of three species is endangered

Grévy's zebra, mountain zebra, plains zebra

[wise loom]

@vocal basin you never use VC ?

[vocal basin]

depends on the server

[wise loom]

so you prefer other servers, not this one, for VC

[vocal basin]

or, more specifically, main language of the server

I think I've done more singing in English VCs than talking

(it's simpler because it doesn't require thinking about what to say)

[rugged root]

Fair

Was going to say, I don't know if I've ever heard your voice. Wait I must have..

[vocal basin]

two recordings and one attempt to explain VS Code

basic or BASIC?

there are still places where BASIC (not VB) is taught and that's terrifying

[rugged root]

Wait where

[vocal basin]

"Regional" (non-Moscow/SPB) Russia has Pascal and BASIC as main languages for teaching at school

[rugged root]

You're safe, right? No risk of you being drafted or conscripted? Been worrying about my friends from over there

[vocal basin]

I don't know; it's never safe anyway

I'm way too shocked by things I learned in last ~hour
first, now I know subspecies is an actual term
second, what is this syntax:
~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_(programming_language)#Record_types~~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_(programming_language)#Pointer_types

wait

wrong

pointer

this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_(programming_language)#Pointer_types

^integer is pointer to integer

and ptr^ is derefencing ptr

slightly unusual

I doubt schools ever teach anything beyond functions

like
basic strings
basic array operations
basic functions
and nothing more

Pascal here is, like, Latin of PLs
dead language, but still gets taught

[rugged root]

https://youtu.be/7T0vs9gYydo?si=Hjgfobex5dZwQK6C

[wise loom]

@vocal basin Are there actual pedagogical merits to Pascal as a teaching language?
I remember we also had Pascal until 6th grade or so.. after which the classes required C.
But actually both languages were accepted and used.

[vocal basin]

Pascal is dead, that's the problem

at least the non-extended one

[wise loom]

But I mean.. FreePascal and Delphi still exist..

[vocal basin]

.

also supporting old systems is where knowing it might help

but rarely ever on new projects

[wise loom]

Yeah @crystal fox mentioned water treatment plants that use Pascal

[wise loom]

is Ocaml super-popular in your country?

[vocal basin]

I highly doubt that

[vocal basin]

Pascal helps to learn basic programming concepts
but also reinforces some habits that are quite bad when switching to languages like C

what is quite popular here, is 1С

(that's Cyrillic S)

[scarlet halo]

‼‼

what

[wise loom]

that's.. unheard of here

[vocal basin]

for a reason

as you can see, that's not English

[wise loom]

that's too much for me, I like simple things

I have a small brain 🧠

[vocal basin]

this calls for so much violence

(misspell in the comments)

wait, wth is , , ,

is it setting arguments as defaults?

I have no idea

I've never programmed using this, and I hope I never have to

[mighty robin]

guys

<

[rugged root]

Sup?

[mighty robin]

i made something

with opencv

let me pick my phone

i cant stream

but let me screenshot

[rugged root]

@static quiver Hello

[mighty robin]

here

thumbs down

'polegar para baixo' means thumbs down

here in Brazil

also im using a famous shirt

from Vasco da Gama

🙏🏻

yeah

[mortal sundial]

nice

i want to make a photon laser

[mighty robin]

i want to make a sql bank

for hand gestures

[mortal sundial]

how about a mini gamma ray burst or maybe an anti matter bomb

[mighty robin]

i truly need help

with sql

someone knows where i start ?

[static quiver]

https://www.pinecoders.com/

[wise loom]

I can try to help, what's your question?

[mighty robin]

I want to make a database for hand gestures

libras etc

to use in my project

[wise loom]

okay? what's stopping you?

[mighty robin]

i literally dont anything in SQL

dont know'

[rugged root]

https://sqlbolt.com/

This is a decent one for learning some SQL

[mighty robin]

thx 🙏🏻

[wise loom]

do you need more than 1 table..

here's a table:

|--------------|-------------|
| gesture_name | gesture_svg |
|--------------|-------------|
| ok           | <svg...     |

so in this table, you have a lot of hand gestures, on one column you have the label, and the other column is an SVG with the hand gesture

[mighty robin]

to blend information togheter?

[wise loom]

an emoji for all intents and purposes

[mighty robin]

oh i see

[wise loom]

@mighty robin is this what you need/mean?

[mighty robin]

yes

but i need gotta learn

to do some database problably

thx 🙏🏻

[wise loom]

@mighty robin https://pgexercises.com/ ; https://www.postgresqltutorial.com/

@mighty robin or.. use SQLite instead, that's the best database to start with

[mighty robin]

thx man

gotta go

🙏🏻 👍🏻

[rugged root]

@static quiver https://javascript.info

[mortal sundial]

how many languages u know

[heavy creek]

yeah how many

[vocal basin]

another JS thing
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Guide

but that's more for learning JS after another PL

[rugged root]

Well and confidently? Just Python. Ones that I could probably pick back up relatively quickly? Probably 3 (JavaScript/TypeScript, C#, Java/Kotlin).

But I language hop a lot

I like learning and trying different languages

[heavy creek]

oooo

I only know python 🫠

[mortal sundial]

your favourite is python why??

[rugged root]

It's so versatile. If you want to do a quick project, someone has probably already made a library for it and it's been battle tested

[heavy creek]

v (means vouch or means agree)

[rugged root]

Good for simple web stuff (API wrappers and stuff), and it's just pleasant to write

[rugged root]

Oh cool, did not know that

Slowly picking up the new slang from all the kids

[heavy creek]

Are you being sarcastic...

oh nvm

[rugged root]

Only the latter part

[heavy creek]

Dang how old are u

[rugged root]

But I legit didn't know the v thing

33

[heavy creek]

Makes sense

[rugged root]

I pretty much just spend time on here, not many other social platforms

Beyond that, it's usually just work, home, rinse, repeat

[vocal basin]

hemlockscript when?

[rugged root]

God no

[vocal basin]

https://www.jetbrains.com/mps/

[heavy creek]

I understand nothing :)

[hearty knot]

some asm , c , some c++, apl , smalltalk, java, some lua, basic, pascal, some fortran, occam, csp, autoit, and Python ....

[heavy creek]

I never really used lua apart from roblox coding

[rugged root]

Still coding

[rugged root]

Wait, smalltalk?

I don't think I've met anyone who's written it at all

[hearty knot]

smalltalk for sure, we used it in at least to major job

smalltalk + CORBA

[rugged root]

Wait, you're how old?

If you don't mind me asking of course

[hearty knot]

lol s0 something

50 something

[rugged root]

Fair enough

[heavy creek]

[vocal basin]

what I used Lua with:
https://ocdoc.cil.li/

[rugged root]

Very cool

I like having folks with that much experience around. Did you enjoy OCaml?

[hearty knot]

did u use d Smalltalk

[rugged root]

I've only read about it, looked at some example code

[vocal basin]

manually stuffing code into that minecraft mod is pain, so I made a primitive bundler,
that was quite useful for generally understanding how the language works and how to make build tools

and it was bootstrapped because why not and because it help validate it works correctly

[hearty knot]

this occam with csp on an array of transputers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam_(programming_language)

[rugged root]

Ohhhhhhhh okay, I confused it with the other one

Gotcha

[hearty knot]

well object class metaclass language started with smalltalk ...

[vocal basin]

smalltalk also introduced the big confusion about object-orientation in general

so that now there's, like, hundreds of definitions of what OOP means

[hearty knot]

why ... smalltalk get in the light really with smalltalk 80

[vocal basin]

... to which the Alan Kay's response was something like "I should've named it 'message-oriented' instead"

[hearty knot]

well , it cretae the first classification ...

[vocal basin]

Simula was slightly earlier with OOP-like concepts

[hearty knot]

at that time they not really other ..

anyway thanks to those people at ParkPlace to create it ! 😛

[wise loom]

@static quiver I've already done some cross-db joins.
Can you please state your problem in writing, let the people read and then we can discuss in the VC.

[hearty knot]

I used it also to create actor base in house language, and distributed actors language ...

[rugged root]

@static quiver https://www.tradingview.com/rest-api-spec/ And this API doesn't have anything you need?

[hearty knot]

didnt use REST yet, only some SOAP - XML ....

[vocal basin]

so, like, there's many roots what it is
1930s, lambda calculus: encapsulation and isolation, process equivalent to simple request-response messaging
1950s, Lisp: programmable syntax for the above
1960s, Lisp for real: first implementation
1960s, Simula: tools to create what we now commonly view as classes/objects
1970s, SmallTalk: messaging approach
1980s, Erlang: asynchronous messaging
1990s, Python/Java: what commonly today gets referred to as OOP

[vocal basin]

REST isn't really something that can be used;
can followed rather

unlike SOAP (which is a protocol)

"REST" is also used as label for just "HTTP API", though that's obviously not accurate

[hearty knot]

yes 🙂

[vocal basin]

actually, how much has the object model changed in Python from v1 to v2?

> Already present at this stage in development were classes with inheritance
I guess, not much

(1991)

[hearty knot]

dont know I start with python 3

[wise loom]

put'im on a PIP (performance improvement plan)

amazing idea

@flint hill you literally sound like you're on your phone

[vocal basin]

"web 0" can be used as a buzzword for "redo it all"
"web 1" can be used as a buzzword for "do it as it was intended initially"

idk if there's a use for "web -1"

unweb

don't:

def f(x):
    if 1 < x < 10:
        return True
    else:
        return False

do:

def f(x):
    return 1 < x < 10

there are only two objects of type bool

(id-wise too)

[wise loom]

is he driving? it sounds like he's in a car

[hearty knot]

in lazy field,, we ca have True, False, Maybe

[wise loom]

Here we go again, Backblaze

‼️

[vocal basin]

first is sometimes appropriate for multiple guard clauses though

if the file is so large it crashes VS Code...

there might also be multiple problems

and you would still have to finally figure out what exactly is wrong

just following IDE suggestions is enough only for small or well-engineered system

[rugged root]

Back in a bit, have to set up a new computer

[wise loom]

@vocal basin what do you think of https://www.sql-ex.ru/ ?

[cobalt cloak]

hello

[vocal basin]

first time hearing about it

[dry jasper]

DAMN thats a nice project

[stuck furnace]

Hey, what's everyone up to?

[wise loom]

i'm just gathering some data

you know?

you know..

[stuck furnace]

I'm not sure I do

[wise loom]

but now you do, right?

[stuck furnace]

It means you own the assets minus the liabilities of the business.

And you get a say in how it's run.

[whole bear]

Hi yall

[stuck furnace]

Your mic is a bit quiet @wise loom

Ah, you fixed it.

[rugged root]

It's how is mic is

[stuck furnace]

What like, you've sold -1? 😄

Fair enough

[rugged root]

Exactly

[rose mirage]

Ok

[rugged root]

Ham sandwich for good measure

[stuck furnace]

brb

[rugged root]

Hello everyone

[mighty robin]

😃 thx dude

im working rlly hard on this

[hollow yacht]

Can someone go to code/help to help me make a auto refresh system for a chat website?

[rugged root]

What're you stuck on with it?

[hollow yacht]

Yeah, i took a break for a couple of days

[dusky lynx]

@rugged root which library?

[rugged root]

Oh it was for something Jacob was working on

[wise loom]

@devout bloom look through the release notes for Django to find out which method took its place.
if that's not enough, just do git log -p on the Django Git repo..

[dusky lynx]

what was the api

[rugged root]

https://www.tradingview.com/rest-api-spec/#section/Overview

[devout bloom]

I will check once

[hollow yacht]

Could you by any chance join my vc so that i could show you what i need to add?

[rugged root]

I can try in a moment. Trying to knock out some work stuff for a quick moment

[hollow yacht]

Ok, thank you

[rugged root]

I'm not super sure I'll be much help, though. It'd pretty much be me recommending using something like websockets so that it'll be watching the stream of the chat

And I haven't really implemented something like this before

[rugged tundra]

@devout bloom write more code to get better at writing code?

Or write code, and then have someone review your code.

Or read code that is written better than your code.

[devout bloom]

the 3rd one

[whole bear]

Hello, I would like to learn how to program Python, what program to use and can someone teach me how to program?

[rugged root]

!resources I can get you set up with some resources. On our site, I personally recommend "A Byte of Python", which is free on its respective site. We also have links to some solid YouTube channels if that's more your jam.

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[wise loom]

you can start out with an online compiler
https://ideone.com/l/python3

[whole bear]

Thanks

[wise loom]

you're welcome.
take these reading resources with you #pedagogy message

[dusky lynx]

what do you do for work

[wise loom]

i get pushed around and told what to do.
things with servers.

[terse needle]

https://www.masswerk.at/keypunch/ https://www.masswerk.at/cardreader/

[rugged root]

Oo, neat

[hearty knot]

lol

someone told me about an object-Cobol !!!!

yes we are all object !

[whole bear]

any help

[whole bear]

Install python 3.12

[ornate light]

anyone who has experience in underwaterImage?

[wise loom]

what is that

[rugged root]

Try running the installer as admin

[whole bear]

no because i need to run smth that only is 3.10

[whole bear]

ty

[whole bear]

Where do I program in vscode?

[ornate light]

do you mean 'underwaterImage'?

[whole bear]

it worked thanks

[rugged root]

How do you mean?

Like where do you get the program?

[whole bear]

Where do I have to program python

@rugged root

[mild quartz]

4 is better lol

[rugged root]

Oh, it's giving you the link to get git

Just gotta go there to get the installer

[whole bear]

@rugged root What do I need to install to program with Python (I already have the latest Python)

[wise loom]

is this VC now taking the role of ChatGPT Customer Support?

[rugged root]

So there's a few good options. Visual Studio Code and PyCharm Community Edition are two common ones that get recommended (of those two I'd recommend Visual Studio Code). I personally use Sublime Text, others use emacs, vim, etc.

!resources There's also some that make it so you don't have to worry about learning the editor as much. We have some of those listed on our resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[velvet tartan]

@rugged tundra https://press.aboutamazon.com/2023/9/amazon-and-anthropic-announce-strategic-collaboration-to-advance-generative-ai

[whole bear]

@rugged root I don't understand anything about programming, starting with where !resources??

[rugged root]

Oh fair, one sec

https://python.swaroopch.com/first_steps.html

I'd start here. It'll talk you through picking an editor as well

[wise loom]

what is a variable?
what is a control statement?
what is a loop?

start with that

[rugged root]

The thing I linked coveres all that jam

Oh my god, it actually recommends vim and emacs

I do not recommend using either of those as a beginner

https://code.visualstudio.com/

Go with that

[wise loom]

vscode is great yes

[whole bear]

What is that

[rugged root]

It's a great resource for learning Python.

It'll run you through the basics, like data types, programming flow, all kinds of stuff

[whole bear]

My objective are to create websites, games and understand programming

[rugged root]

That site is a good first step

And if you have questions or need particular things explained, we're always happy to help

[whole bear]

Recommends learning from websites or YouTube or both

[rugged root]

That's entirely preference. I don't learn very well from videos or courses so I prefer books or sites

Do what's best for your learning style

[whole bear]

Ok, I'm going to start learning to program and over time I'll try to create things

[rugged root]

Most important piece of advice I can give?

Have fun with it

That may sound corny, but there are lots of places that are just going to be a slog

So try to find ways to enjoy it

[hearty knot]

there i also many free python ebook

[whole bear]

Sorry but I don't know what books are

[rugged root]

Oh boy

[hearty knot]

lol

[whole bear]

E books

Are they digital books?

[rugged root]

Probably can get them as such

Yeah, so like PDFs or what have you

[whole bear]

Oh, OK

[hearty knot]

the paper is often no free but the "e"book , pdf or else are ...

[whole bear]

But i need pycharm?

[rugged root]

Or Visual Studio Code or the various others out there

All those editors do is give you a place to type your code and then it can help check it for errors or give you a place to run it easily

.py files are just text files on their own

If you wanted to you could write code in notepad or Microsoft Word (don't do that. for the love of god don't do that)

[whole bear]

I go study now

what is a variable?
what is a control statement?
what is a loop?

I go study this

[hearty knot]

See you later !

[dark ermine]

How come I am still not verified to use voice chat?

[stuck furnace]

@dark ermine You should be able to verify now. If not, DM @rapid crown for help.

You can verify in #voice-verification

[rugged tundra]

@dark ermine mute

[stuck furnace]

@dark ermine I think your mic gain is very high

[rugged tundra]

please

[stuck furnace]

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-25358104

[dark ermine]

is it good?

using a wireless headphone

[stuck furnace]

No noise coming through now

[dark ermine]

cool. I had my voice cranked to the Max.

[whole bear]

help?

[stuck furnace]

Your best bet is to make a post in #1035199133436354600

[alpine crow]

!pypi pandas

[wise cargo]

pandas v2.1.1

Powerful data structures for data analysis, time series, and statistics

[dark ermine]

filename = 'your_file.csv'
encoding = 'utf-8'  # Replace with the correct encoding of your CSV file

expected_row_count = 100  # Replace with the expected total number of rows in the file
actual_row_count = 0

with open(filename, 'r', encoding=encoding, errors='replace') as file:
    reader = csv.reader(file)
    for row in reader:
        # Process each row of the CSV file
        print(row)

        actual_row_count += 1

if actual_row_count == expected_row_count:
    print("The entire CSV file was read.")
else:
    print("The CSV file was not fully read. Expected:", expected_row_count, "Actual:", actual_row_count)```

[vestal mason]

what is this for?

can someone share their screen if you are coding

[dark ermine]

It is just opening a CSV file. My code only has the difference of being 287377 lines instead

I can

actually, I dont have permission.

Lol

[vestal mason]

yea, I read through it, what project are you working on?

[dark ermine]

its actually quite interesting, how do I stream here? I would share about it. Im doing server side vulnerabillity detection and this is the last bit I need to work out essentually to finish it up.

I actually can not get this to work using Pandas guys. WTF lol. CSV solves my problem but pandas gives me other errors.

That is the error I kept getting using CSV until I added the bit to change the encoding type if there was a problem.

[whole bear]

I've been watching videos about variables, if else, while and for

@rugged root And now

?

[dark ermine]

Good job

import pandas as pd

def parse_csv_with_pandas(filename):
    encodings = ['utf-8', 'utf-8-sig', 'latin-1', 'cp1252']
    error_lines = []

    for encoding in encodings:
        try:
            df = pd.read_csv(filename, encoding=encoding)
            return df
        except (UnicodeDecodeError, pd.errors.ParserError) as e:
            error_lines.append(e)

    print(f"Error: Unable to parse the file '{filename}' with any of the specified encodings.")
    print(f"Error lines: {error_lines}")
    return None

filename = 'allitems.csv'

# Parsing the CSV file
df = parse_csv_with_pandas(filename)

if df is not None:
    # Get the first three columns
    df = df.iloc[:, :3]

    # Filter rows where the 'Status' column is 'Entry'
    entry_df = df[df['Status'] == 'Entry']

    # Iterate over each row and print the desired information
    for index, row in entry_df.iterrows():
        csv_value = row['CVE']
        status_value = row['Status']
        description_value = row['Description']
        print(f"CSV: {csv_value}, Status: {status_value}, Description: {description_value}")

# End of script
print("End of script.")

I have finally slayed the beast. Working towards actually parsing now! it took forever to get pandas to work with this file.

[whole bear]

I've been watching videos about variables, if else, while and for

and now ?

[dark ermine]

If anyone else wants the file Im working with ill drop it here if its not to big

[dark ermine]

Good job.

[dark ermine]

Yeah its too big. 212 MB. Its the Legacy CVE CSV from MITRE .com

bringing in the good ol RE now haha. That will be the finishing touch.

Anyone have a reccomendation to using this script as an API?

[lofty echo]

Does anybody want to be friends dm me pls anyone

[gentle egret]

hello

I am

but not permissioned to speak lol

yea

[somber heath]

@mossy cradle 👋

[mossy cradle]

@somber heath hey

[somber heath]

@pale shoal 👋

[pale shoal]

hey man

what are you guys doing?

[somber heath]

@left drum 👋

[pale shoal]

are you guys good at tkinter?

its a python module

[somber heath]

@hasty blaze 👋

[hasty blaze]

hi guys

i have not permission

1 day left (

[hasty blaze]

do u have exp with facebook graph apiZ?

omg

i have an issue and cant solve it

about weeks

[somber heath]

@limber oar 👋

#❓｜how-to-get-help

Also, I'd delete that.

I'm given to understand that webhook urls aren't something to be disclosed.

If there's any regeneration options for that, it'd be an idea to exercise them.

It may now be compromised.

[whole bear]

help?

[obtuse cape]

yeah I am here

but I can't talk 😄

because I am new babie

I am learning new python concepts 😄

pydantic v2

you need to know it 😄

do you know dataclasses?

no problem 😄

dataclasses is a class that is designed to only hold data values

it provides creating and managing classes in easy way

Pydantic is the most widely used data validation library for Python.

look that
class Delivery(BaseModel):
timestamp: datetime
dimensions: Tuple[int, int]

m = Delivery(timestamp='2020-01-02T03:04:05Z', dimensions=['10', '20'])
print(repr(m.timestamp))
#> datetime.datetime(2020, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, tzinfo=TzInfo(UTC))
print(m.dimensions)
#> (10, 20)

it validates data

it really help to manage validations

sorry I can't understand you clearly

what are you doing?

yes right

I just joined the server yesterday

I should wait three days too

[obtuse cape]

I guess you don't need to use numpy

you can use pandas directly

can you summarize the topic @somber heath

oh thank you

[fervent grail]

Have you install pyinstaller ? No ? Then install it with using this command pip install pyinstaller if pip not recognized too then install it with this command py get-pip.py

[whole bear]

hi

I've studied more about variables, if else, while and for the next step?

[fervent grail]

have you learn "for" ?

yes ? learn about other keywords like def, class, and more
else learn it

[whole bear]

I read about it but I didn't get it very well

[fervent grail]

it's something like sigma, Have you learned sigma in math ?

but it not returns sum of numbers

it does indexing for you

[whole bear]

I saw a video he put it for index.....

But I didn't realize

[waxen barn]

Hey can someone help me I'm trying to boot up after I put new thermal paste onto my gpu and swamped my two ssds

[fervent grail]

watch here

x = ["Hello", 1, 5.34] # defines a list with "Hello", 1, 5.34 values
#       ^     ^    ^
# So these are defined in the x list

for i in x : # Does the indexing stuff but how ?
    print (i) # This will print Hello and 1 and 5.34 but not in the same line like
    # OUTPUT
    # Hello
    # 1
    # 5.34

@whole bear

also we have a function called with range name

you can do this with it

for i in range (5) : print (i)

OUTPUT :

0
1
2
3
4

or you can make factorial program with for loop and range function

num = 3
for i in range (1, num) : num *= i
print (num)

OUTPUT :

!e
num = 3
for i in range (1, num) : num *= i
print (num)

[wise cargo]

@fervent grail :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

6

[fervent grail]

output

@whole bear

example for range function

range (5) -> 0 1 2 3 4
range (1, 5) -> 1 2 3 4
range (50, 500) 50 51 52 ... 499
range (10 + 1) -> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

[whole bear]

Does range work for counting?

The print() command is for when I start the code it appears there what is written inside?

x = ["Hello", 1, 5.34] That's a variable, right?

i = item?

[whole bear]

I didn't understand the OUTPUT part

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[dark ermine]

If you have a list you can do for x in range(len(listvariable)):

[whole bear]

Hey wassup

[whole bear]

Oh!

[somber heath]

@mortal hull 👋

[mortal hull]

whats up bro

i dont have permission to speak apparently

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[mortal hull]

okok

brb then

yeah I have to have more than 50 messages

and I've only been here for 1 day I think

so I'll see you guys in a couple days lol

[woeful escarp]

Someone send me cat pfp

[somber heath]

@light sentinel 👋

[light sentinel]

man vc restrictions are quite harsh

fair, I never understood how people get satisfaction from that..

I agree.
I dont know why they couldnt find another server to do that in.
Out of all servers they have access to, why the Python Dev server?

Hear me out, they could just make every person that joins, have to answer a leetcode question before they can join VC?

[woeful escarp]

Is discord js better then py?

For bots

@light sentinel

[somber heath]

#discord-bots

[light sentinel]

well. I would recommend starting with python for discord bots, as its usually easier, although like @somber heath meantioned, you should ask that in the discord bots channel.

[woeful escarp]

Alr

[somber heath]

You may encounter Python boas here.

...bias.

Actual typo.

@crystal hemlock 👋

[crystal hemlock]

Hi

[somber heath]

@pure granite 👋

[pure granite]

hi

[light sentinel]

@somber heath what do you think is the most elegant way to simulate 3D physics in python?
I have been searching for a good programmatic library, so far I have only found some third party projects like PyPhysX.

yeah I have heard of him before, most of that stuff dosnt have source code.
Usually thats just poc which demonstrate feasibility.
I have tried writing something similar and ended with some..... questionable results to say the least.

[somber heath]

@viscid dragon 👋

[viscid dragon]

Hello there

[light sentinel]

you know what they say 'To build a physics engine, you have to first start with the universe'

[viscid dragon]

Did I do smth wrong? I am muted

[light sentinel]

its just chat restrictions

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[viscid dragon]

okay thank you

That's a good solution

[somber heath]

@misty ermine 👋

[viscid dragon]

Okay, have a good day

[light sentinel]

I would just parse the CVS into json then work with it that way.

I just preload it into ram then read from the variable.

instead of calling read and parse on the json each time

years of HOF's with no real world use for going higher then callbacks.. gotta love it.

anyways, @somber heath, @dark ermine I have to go, I hope you guys have a great day!

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[somber heath]

@deep zodiac 👋

@river mulch 👋

[river mulch]

Hey!

[somber heath]

@potent talon 👋

[river mulch]

How is it sitting in a voice channel with only muted people?

Yeah... and I suppose it would also help if we had the permission to speak in the first place haha

[somber heath]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[river mulch]

!voice

That doesn't seem to have a whole lot of effect...

Yes, reading has never been my strongest skill, thank you.

Nooo, I need more messages.

Okay, I've got 47 messages sent in this server.

I can do this...

With just one more....

Message.

But this is not the end of the journey, now it's time to get the sound working on Linux again.

[devout tapir]

@dark ermine what about HackTheBox and TryHackMe? have u tried?

yeah

whats your rank?

@dark ermine

yeah i have rank 2 on HTB and rank 8/9 on THM

yeah no perms to vc

how?

[river mulch]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[river mulch]

I think all the information is in the linked channel.

[devout tapir]

hmm fair enough

any of u use opencv?

#1160225621595652146 welp

[dark ermine]

Finally got only the CVE'Now for the fun of RE.

[dark ermine]

Gotta use RE to find these patterns within the descriptions

Firefox 1.5 before
Firefox 1.5.0.4 and earlier
< Firefox 1.5.0.4

[whole bear]

Hi

[dark ermine]

Hi

[whole bear]

I have a question

[wise loom]

aha

[whole bear]

I have already studied the variables and what they told me to study first, what is the next step?

[vocal basin]

basic variables in Python tutorial are described in the same chapter as lists/text/numbers/etc.
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/introduction.html

so I think those are expected to be learned at roughly the same learning step

[wise loom]

I agree with Alisa, the Official Tutorial is great

After the official tutorial, I recommend getting into the Debugging Book mentioned here #pedagogy message

Because 95% of the time spent writing programs is spent on debugging, isolating and fixing software defects.

[vocal basin]

as far as I understand, book is also good at showing that the "debugger" is not the only part to it

[wise loom]

Yes, there's a lot more to debugging than just using the debugger, I think the book covers different aspects

[whole bear]

I would like to create a website what is the right step to try to create one

[wise loom]

I feel like this is the least of your concerns

[vocal basin]

first versions of the website would not involve Python, likely

[wise loom]

@whole bear you want to get a firm grip on the language and how to debug. this is the foundation.
everything else follows after that.

[whole bear]

Ok

[vocal basin]

HTML and Python can be learned separately
HTML/CSS are more declarative, so basic static websites wouldn't involve stuff like variables

one of the most comprehensive resources for HTML is MDN
but it's not exactly beginner-friendly

[wise loom]

the goal kindof changed mid-flight. initially gongaspt said "I want to learn programming and Python"
now it's "I want to make a website".

[whole bear]

I want to learn how to program and then when I know how to create a website

When I know how to program I will try to create things

But first I want to learn how to program

Then the rest

[wise loom]

well.. that will take a while

[whole bear]

Slowly go far

I go learn https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/introduction.html

[vocal basin]

one of general representations of how the learning might go

as with many such things, it's not linear

[dark ermine]

Python is not going to the platform you create your website in, just an FYI if you hadn't already figured that out.

[dark ermine]

Got a huge breakthrough going, now outputted will be versions that indicate the current version may be affected, listed in decending order.

[dark ermine]

Still fixing some things

[dark ermine]

Now they are listed in order from most relevant to my version to least. But all should be relevant.

I feel so accomplished for getting over all of that bullshit! Now I just have to connect this to my website.

[dreamy siren]

,0imfd

[shy raft]

whats happening

yeah

im not very good with files

what problem are u having

in what way is it failing

k

[shy raft]

hm

[vital galleon]

its a bit vague just the photo

https://github.com/EthanRosenthal/discovered-weekly/blob/main/.github/workflows/run.yml

I'm trying to do something similar to this

without python poetry

[shy raft]

i found something

[vital galleon]

https://github.com/MagikRambo/discover-weekly

[nova stream]

hello how do i get permissions to talk in voice chat

[cosmic bison]

You have to do voice verify

[nova stream]

how i do that?

[cosmic bison]

I think it's a command

but you have to have a certain number of messages first

[somber heath]

!voice @nova stream

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[shy raft]

im bacc

[vocal basin]

print calls and tracing do add side effects
but it wouldn't matter for most Python projects

(that all excluding side effects of str() calls and IO itself)

bcpl -> b -> c?

iirc

I just accepted that Ubuntu will break

and still use it

it might be a configuration issue

especially if you have multiple NICs

I also tried to use illumos, but it still has incomplete/undocumented docker support

(illumos is not linux)

[shy raft]

bro's language bout to be the next javascript

[cosmic bison]

explain lol

[vocal basin]

"module support and typing, that's already far ahead of regular JS"

[shy raft]

According to bing ai

[vocal basin]

"the next Java" version 2

[shy raft]

you need a strong community of devs now

[cosmic bison]

very accurate. My 1's of users are very vocal

[vocal basin]

with both Java and JS then being quite "famous" for having to deal with legacy (and, according to many, poor initial design of the language)

"the world stopped at Java 8 and IE6"

[shy raft]

he figured it out pagman

"Every crappy workaround will lead to a crappy problem down the line."
-- A programmer

youve inspired me to work on my language again

will do

[vocal basin]

I should look into how this works one day
https://www.jetbrains.com/mps/

"abstract factories in JVM got so far that there is a programming language factory now"

[shy raft]

lmao

no way its that easy

[vocal basin]

it's JVM-only, if I understand correctly

it's very much for purpose-built languages, not general ones

[shy raft]

what

[vocal basin]

I think this is the most cursed screenshot from there

it's like Java+Wolfram Mathematica

[shy raft]

famous last words

tf

WHAT

💀 bro what

wow

lmao

[zinc sinew]

https://github.com/stylo-codes-stuff/customized-tailwinds-boilerplate

[cosmic bison]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10725818

jboy

Nim has made 4 syntax choices that might seem bizarre to a C++ programmer: 1. blocks by indentation instead of braces (aka "Off-Side Rule" syntax [0]); 2. Uniform Function Call Syntax [1][2]; 3. case-insensitivity for identifiers; and 4. dropping empty parens from a function call.[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-side_rule , [1] https://en.w...

Hacker News · Dec 13, 2015, 8:59 AM

[shy raft]

there are

wait guys

im actually a professional scratcher

like an actual expert

@zinc sinew

lol no

but

thats cap

are u doing ray tracing then?

[zinc sinew]

to an extent

[shy raft]

ah ok

bro is using scratch to make an irl simulator

[zinc sinew]

yessir

[shy raft]

send ur scratch profile

[zinc sinew]

i dont have it publshed yet lol but ehre you go

[shy raft]

are u new?

@zinc sinew

set i to 0
repeat until <i = 10>
    change i by 1

[zinc sinew]

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/899019337/

[shy raft]

yes

[zinc sinew]

kinda

[shy raft]

no

you can index the list

?

set i to 1
repeat until <i = len(list)>
    say (item i of list)
    change i by 1

[zinc sinew]

thanks lol

[shy raft]

lol

[zinc sinew]

it wouldve been annoying to do this myself

or figure it all out

[shy raft]

i told you im a professional

😎

whats multithreading @cosmic bison

[zinc sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[shy raft]

im not fully sure the exact definition

[cosmic bison]

multiple threads

😎

[shy raft]

multiple scripts running at once?

[cosmic bison]

multiple threads

😎

[shy raft]

im going to assume that a thread is a piece of code

[cosmic bison]

I believe threads are something on the OS level? but yeah I think each thread runs some code. I've used it with sockets but I'm not 100% sure how it works under the hood

[shy raft]

maybe ill get in vc

make ill tak

wtf

discord

autocorrect

average programmer's experience:
OH I GOT IT
Wait no…
I REALLY GOT IT THIS TIME
NOO THERE'S ANOTHER BUG!?
I THINK I UNDERSTAND NOW
Why is this not working?
FINALLY, IT WORKS!
But why is it working? 🤔

[zinc sinew]

i searched it up and it said a thread is a small set of code or instructions for the cpu of your pc to execute

[shy raft]

hm

sophisticated

[cosmic bison]

🤔

[zinc sinew]

and that your cpu can run multiple threads at once thus multithreading

[shy raft]

this is what happens when you have 50 different files

[zinc sinew]

first time?

[shy raft]

yes lmao

wait no oh god

that's 200 files

feelsStrongMan

bad_choice_amount = previous_bad_choices ^ previous_bad_choices

thats more accurate

@zinc sinew i hope ur using functions

💀

madness

LMFAO

ah yes

what

[zinc sinew]

fr

i have functions for calculating displacement due to gravity and dot product

and all that physics jazz

rn im developing the projectile motion physics in a seperate project\

[shy raft]

@cosmic bison
The best language ever, Pingish:

# Print the factorial of a number given by the user 🐧
noot noot     
noot noot?    
nooting noot? 
    no noot             
    noot nooted * noots 

its so good right

lmao

[cosmic bison]

yes

the best

[shy raft]

noot

how long does this badge stay lol

[cosmic bison]

forever

[shy raft]

reh-jex

ree-jex

someone once called it ray-jex

can u write a simple program to show us how it works

@cosmic bison

lang

[vocal basin]

!d len

[wise cargo]

len

len(s)```
Return the length (the number of items) of an object. The argument may be a sequence (such as a string, bytes, tuple, list, or range) or a collection (such as a dictionary, set, or frozen set).

**CPython implementation detail:** `len` raises [`OverflowError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#OverflowError) on lengths larger than [`sys.maxsize`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.maxsize), such as [`range(2 ** 100)`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#range).

[vocal basin]

!e

print(len([1, 2, 3, 4, 5]))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

5

[winter plover]

len(arr)

[shy raft]

print(len(lst))

[vocal basin]

@sand shuttle

and also append is not a function
that's important to learn

[winter plover]

@sand shuttle

[vocal basin]

still not sure how to !d list.append properly
iirc, list.append itself isn't there

[shy raft]

his homework was to use len()

[vocal basin]

I still don't know where it is

[zinc sinew]

womp womp

[winter plover]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[cosmic bison]

https://medium.com/@marcelogdeandrade/writing-your-own-programming-language-and-compiler-with-python-a468970ae6df

[vocal basin]

both pronunciations are valid

[cosmic bison]

https://codehs.com/sandbox/id/simple-math-parser-guKeVh

[vocal basin]

"Haskell has significant newlines, so that supports the argument"

implicit as in no required parentheses? or full ruby-style?

[cosmic bison]

idk, I haven't used ruby

[vocal basin]

> ; is optional
"oh, so that what 'the next JavaScript' was about"

[vocal basin]

object.method even without parentheses calls the method, with whatever side effects that implies

@cosmic bison looks like same error as earlier

missing ;

[cosmic bison]

I haven't added that because reasons

but you can do double_number 10;

[vocal basin]

oh, wait, is it reversed

[shy raft]

where can i use bcl

[vocal basin]

a b c

is this a (b c) or (a b) c?

[cosmic bison]

a (b c)

[vocal basin]

haskell and most others use (a b) c

[cosmic bison]

as in what are the application for it? or how can you run the compiler?

[shy raft]

the compiler

or both

[vocal basin]

function arg1 arg2

[cosmic bison]

10 10

println

println 10

min (20, 20)

println double_number 10;

[vocal basin]

this has its place too, but it's rare

function2 function1 arg

[cosmic bison]

10;

[vocal basin]

more common representation of the same idea (multiple functions placed linearly) is structured in reverse with some delimeter:

arg | function1 | function2

arg |> function1 |> function2

arg >>= function1 >>= function2

[cosmic bison]

10 10;

[shy raft]

@cosmic bison how do i run the lang

[vocal basin]

stuff it into Docker
"it just works™️"

fail reliably

I should undevelop features from my attempt at making a semi-esoteric language
to go back to simplicity

4 tokens; and whatever else are just variable names

/+-.

I should translate gcd I have implemented in the current version into this

/+_div.+_zq./+gcd.+_a.+_b.//-_a.///-_b./-_a.-_div.-second.-gcd./-_b./-_a.-_zq.-YC.+_gcd.

rough Python equivalent

def _gcd(_div, _zq):
    def gcd(_a, _b):
        if _zq(_a):
            return _b
        else:
            _, mod = _div(_b, _a)
            return gcd(mod, _a)
    return gcd

the way Haskell handles operators is that any binary operator (for example, +) has a function associated to it ((+))

a + b being equivalent to (+) a b

[winter plover]

func add(x, y){
  return x + y
}

3 add 3;

@outer zinc

[outer zinc]

@winter plover yeah thats what I had in mind

[vocal basin]

3 `add` 3

^ in Haskell

[outer zinc]

would be nice

[vocal basin]

to differentiate from add 3 3

https://wiki.haskell.org/Infix_operator

these are same

1 + 2
(+) 1 2
(+ 2) 1

[winter plover]

func add(x, y){
  return x + y
}

3 add 3;

// How would this happen ?
3 add 3 add 5;

@outer zinc

[vocal basin]

operator precedence, requires extra configuration

[outer zinc]

I think it would do 3 ad 5 first

then 3 add 8

[vocal basin]

(3 + 3) + 5 by regular rules

[winter plover]

would it have to be like a seperate parser for the function stuff lol

[vocal basin]

https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/decls.html#fixity

Haskell has a way to define both associativity and precedence

this formatting scares me

also, if you can bootstrap, you still need a way to build it from outside

[winter plover]

@outer zinc your echoing

[vocal basin]

unless the language is something like C where you can expect it to be already built for everything

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[vocal basin]

Rust uses Python to bootstrap

to build from no Rust

eh

current script

x.py or something

[shy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/python-jmk-gif-22427183

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/bootstrap/bootstrap.py

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/tree/master#installing-from-source

[winter plover]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-rage-gif-10192107

[vocal basin]

this builds compiler in several stages

first (zeroth?) not requiring Rust installed

[shy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/python-python-meme-code-slander-programming-slander-programming-meme-gif-27314080

https://tenor.com/view/python-jmk-gif-22427197

[vocal basin]

https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/building/how-to-build-and-run.html#building-the-compiler

std gets built three times

You almost never need to do this.

[vocal basin]

idk what they actually do for architectures that it's not built for yet

sizes for enums are difficult

(sizeof discriminant)+max(sizeof variant)
but that's not always true

yeah

[shy raft]

i run a website about sentinent art supplies woo

[vocal basin]

for C enums, that's just size of some integer big enough

in C, variants are just labels

not comprehensive labels

topologically sort dependencies
fail on loop

!d graphlib

[wise cargo]

graphlib

Source code: Lib/graphlib.py

[vocal basin]

Python's TopologicalSorter even supports some level of asynchrony, I think