The sun tried, bless its little cotton socks.
#voice-chat-text-0
somber heath
twin pond
Lol
warped raft
hello all
lofty crater
hi Shashank
warped raft
how are you all doing
lofty crater
we chiling buddy
lofty crater
I am upto some stuff so I rather not
warped raft
should we start
didn't know what we had to do
share your code
marolo
@midnight agate
Wouold you like to joing
lean pumice
So this is just a analogy. But say i am trying to create a project to maintain my email accounts. Say i have three emails, gmail, outlook, yahoomail.
Say i want to write program that might include things like to search email, read new emails, reply email etc. Naturally i dont want to create 3 programs to manage each of my accounts separately.
I was thinking of making a generic email class that impliments all the functionality i need. that i can use in my programs. And i was create a different class each of gmail, outlook and yahoo mail to write their logics. But i am not sure how do i link my generic class with say gmail class.
I want to know if there is a better way to structure this project or how can i link classes effectively.
Thanks.
vocal basin
there is #software-architecture channel for some questions of that sort
more of discussion rather than just help
I'd say "generic" not in formal sense
base class not generic class
find what functionality is inherent to all three classes
class EmailAccount:
...
class GmailAccount(EmailAccount):
...
class OutlookAccount(EmailAccount):
...
class YahooMailAccount(EmailAccount):
...
word "account" can be dropped
I'd prefer having an abstract method there
instead of reflection
NotImplementedError
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
@midnight agate also derive from ABC
it must be NotImplementedError not NotImplemented
there's actually three different errors related to abstractmethods
!e
from abc import ABC, abstractmethod
class Proper(ABC):
@abstractmethod
def example(self):
raise NotImplementedError
class NotAbc:
def example(self):
raise NotImplementedError
class Typo:
def example(self):
raise NotImplemented
for class_ in [Proper, NotAbc, Typo]:
try:
class_().example()
except Exception as e:
print(repr(e))
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | TypeError("Can't instantiate abstract class Proper with abstract method example")
002 | NotImplementedError()
003 | TypeError('exceptions must derive from BaseException')
!e
from random import choice
class Fruit:
def name(self):
raise NotImplementedError
def scream_name(self):
print(self.name().upper())
class Apple(Fruit):
def name(self):
return "apple"
class Banana(Fruit):
def name(self):
return "banana"
fruit = choice([Apple(), Banana()])
# we no longer care which fruit it is
fruit.scream_name()
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
APPLE
first error occurs on instantiation
to simplify the code
it's about how we can use different classes without rewriting code for each class specifically
lean pumice
thanks @midnight agate @vocal basin
somber heath
@whole bear ๐
whole bear
@somber heath hi
vocal basin
currently trying to solve some type system stuff
the solution I chose to go with so far is quite ugly
but maybe it will work
in some sense, introducing method overloading (or very wrong mixins? idk) into Rust
"still not sure whether or not I consider overloading a crime against common sense"
somber heath
@pure gale ๐
somber heath
@lofty crater ๐
vocal basin
haven't heard of it
somber heath
Nor I.
vocal basin
is it allowed by YT TOS?
somber heath
Terms of Service
vocal basin
you already can use YouTube without account on mobile:
browser
somber heath
Google gets fussy about people accessing YouTube in ways Google doesn't intend.
vocal basin
make a burner account, disable all tracking
youtube isn't even against it
it gives recommendations based on IP sometimes
find where you can tell google to stop and tell it
same network -> same external IP
usually
doesn't go the other way around because NAT can put multiple networks behind one IP
that's why, for example, IP bans and IP restrictions are not a good idea sometimes
pulsar island
surreal cape
nice
vocal basin
it's not really a good principle, as some say
being strict in both input and output is often better
silent pike
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
can do what?
somber heath
@haughty idol ๐
haughty idol
vocal basin
they said it will be a pop-up
whether it will actually be one -- idk
Once this change rolls out for you, weโll send a pop-up in-app for you to pick a new username.
velvet tartan
vocal basin
most of dust here is just walls falling apart
(and car dust coming through the open window)
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
bronze quiver
Hey any of ya'll participate in competitive programming competions using python?? If i should get voice verification and stop typing here lemme know pls-
vocal basin
what level of competitions are you talking about?
vocal basin
a couple of months ago I was playing clash of code (at codingame) but that's not really serious stuff
as for serious competitive programming, I stopped two years ago
as soon as the need for it ended
bronze quiver
as for serious competitive programming, I stopped two years ago
how "serious" were you about it?
like did u have a rank on codeforces
vocal basin
"regional" level
didn't make it to country finals
bronze quiver
"regional" level
didn't make it to country finals
What country are u from if you don't mind me asking
you don't have to asnwer that if you don't want to- im new to discord servers
vocal basin
like did u have a rank on codeforces
didn't practice on that site
rugged tundra
!voice
wise cargoBOT
bronze quiver
didn't practice on that site
im tryna get good at it but like its mostly independent learnign
vocal basin
fixed wing?
bronze quiver
sorry?
vocal basin
fixed wing?
response to VC
bronze quiver
gotcha
vocal basin
didn't hear "straight wing" term before in the context of aviation before
often it's "fixed-wing" and "rotary-wing"
discrete taxonomy for personalities works poorly, it's always gradients not categories
vocal basin
didn't practice on that site
time to register for no real reason
somber heath
@elfin harbor ๐
elfin harbor
hello ๐
somber heath
@primal mountain ๐
primal mountain
hi
vocal basin
as for serious competitive programming, I stopped two years ago
- there were some attempts at solving CTFs
mostly unsuccessful
bronze quiver
what are those
vocal basin
funny how account recovery is under "/amnesia/" path
bronze quiver
yo u a profesh or just a hobbyis
vocal basin
what are those
hacking, competitive
bronze quiver
ahh thats crazy
hard for me too
Im in my senior year of HS rn so i've competed in some hackathons
rugged tundra
vocal basin
not yet employed
somber heath
@whole bear ๐
bronze quiver
just out of college?
vocal basin
dropped out of university because health
bronze quiver
oh, are u planning on joining back?
@somber heath do yall do this often or is it just a by chance thing when everyones free
vocal basin
oh, are u planning on joining back?
I have no idea for now
somber heath
@wind radish ๐
bronze quiver
im in india rn so weekend are prolly the only time imma get on- but hopefully i see yall around
desert wolf
surreal cape
rugged tundra
bronze quiver
@vocal basin if you ever get back to competitive programming, lemme know if you u wann help upsolve together- im looking to build a group of people who want to work on competitive programming together
desert wolf
phrasing
surreal cape
vocal basin
there needs to be a better acronym for that...
bronze quiver
there needs to be a better acronym for that...
i couldnt agreee more- i thought everyone liked it thats why its so widely used
desert wolf
o_o
vocal basin
SP, sports programming
surreal cape
Alborghetti
bronze quiver
SP, sports programming
sm better
surreal cape
will sit on the devil's lap
somber heath
@paper stirrup ๐
somber heath
@potent plank ๐
surreal cape
parsed a tablature from the song Dont Fear the Reaper from Bue Oyster Cult, and ploted the exponential weighted mean of the notes from each string from the guitar tablature
surreal cape
@rugged heron I guess something like this may feed a model, what do you think?
civic zephyr
vocal basin
please no
either use block if
or use messageable = ...
and then await messageable.send(response)
also having positional boolean flags is kind of meh
@wind raptor maybe closing too early?
or, like
disconnect server-side to fix that
close the session when the server receives the message
civic zephyr
vocal basin
you can also check if the author is any bot
so it doesn't respond to other bots
should it really be without await?
you're running with debug logs on, right?
@civic zephyr default doesn't include message content
civic zephyr
vocal basin
what is intents variable containing?
civic zephyr
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
intents = Intents.default()
intents.message_content = True
tidal shard
civic zephyr
vocal basin
Bot can do everything Client can
- some more
most importantly, Cogs support
you can have Bots without prefix
just with on_message
and Cogs allow to make multiple on_message handlers
discord.py came back and now it's foremost
@civic zephyr yes, it uses reflection
idk if you can define your own events
vocal basin
disconnect server-side to fix that
does that help?
@wind raptor
(sorry, might've missed if you tried it already)
wind raptor
I did miss that
vocal basin
does that help?
<@373121697957543946>
(sorry, might've missed if you tried it al...
and without this
ugh
why do sockets need to be so difficult
vocal basin
"good opportunity to learn ZeroMQ instead of raw sockets"
wind raptor
It's just a fun little project, I'm sure it's something dumb that I'm doing wrong
vocal basin
maybe it gets GC'd?
vocal basin
!d asyncio.Queue
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
I'll go try make the thing using
https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-stream.html
civic zephyr
vocal basin
vocal basin
I'll go try make the thing using
https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-strea...
@wind raptor this probably fits better with asyncio
like
proper async sockets
oh
wait
eh
do sockets you're already using have wait_closed?
if you want multithreaded async, then use Rust
ECDHE
last e being ephemeral, iirc
@whole bear RSA is often used for long-term keys
though there's no strong reason to choose it over EC
whole bear
agreed
bronze quiver
@whole bear can't u do that on youtube- thats what i try and do
civic zephyr
wind raptor
g2g for a bit cheers
vocal basin
!paste
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
@wind raptor
I tried making something similar but using only asyncio
(didn't introduce usernames yet; only /list which returns count of connected users, /exit to stop, /msg to send messages)
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/osebibikey.py
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/emazocofop.py
turbid sandal
surreal cape
vocal basin
not sure if this is an appropriate diagram type
surreal cape
yes it is not
I just selected the more fastest i could draw
just to make more illustrative
vocal basin
not sure if this is an appropriate diagram type
(getting somewhat confused when trying to read it because usecases are mixed with objects)
bronze quiver
ohh i thought he was talking about the leetcode question
vocal basin
these are heterogeneous (doing different stuff), right?
(as in, they are not replicas of each other like workers)
surreal cape
let me try to explain
The lowest actors are devices deployed on field with sensors which communicate with each other in low range radio layers in the mesh network, until the message reache the main device (COO - stands for Coordinator) .
The coordinator is a more complex hardware that has a woreless communication to sends the data to a broker through the internet.
On the web layer there is a web service listening to the broker that receive and decompiles the transmission, queueing the message to specific queues that are cosumed by specific microservices responsible for processing this kind of data
of course in this middle process the data is saved in databases, to be queried by the client
vocal basin
@tepid edge
I forgot what that question was
this, I assume
ah
yes, I'm not calculating adequately, I know
there are mathematical optimisations
there is no need to store the sequence
tepid edge
vocal basin
(reposting to not have to look it up)
#voice-chat-text-0 message
turbid sandal
class Solution:
def fizzBuzz(self, n: int) -> List[str]:
list = []
for i in range(n):
if i % 3 == 0:
list.append("Fizz")
elif i % 5 == 0:
list.append("Buzz")
elif i % 3 == 0 and i % 5 == 0:
list.append("FizzBuzz")
else:
list.append(str(i))
print(list)
dawn stag
is it any difference between "for i in range(1, n+1)" and "for i in range(n)"?
vocal basin
I'll try to rewrite mine first
rewritten
def allowed(delta):
return delta in [-1, 1]
def total(sequence_first, sequence_last):
n = abs(sequence_first-sequence_last) + 1
return (sequence_first+sequence_last) * (n**3+3*n*n+2*n) // 12
def sequence_sums(arr):
arr = iter(arr)
last = next(arr)
sequence_first = last
sequence_last = last
last_delta = None
for x in arr:
delta = x - last
if last_delta is None or delta == last_delta and allowed(last_delta):
sequence_last = x
else:
yield total(sequence_first, sequence_last)
sequence_first = last if allowed(delta) else x
sequence_last = x
last = x
last_delta = delta
yield total(sequence_first, sequence_last)
def solution(arr):
return sum(sequence_sums(arr))
knowing first and last elements of a continuous sequence is enough to get the sum
(sum of all sums of all subsequences)
polynomial fit of experimental data
(guessing)
by brain can't parse DSA as something other than Digital Signature Algorithm
vocal basin
rewritten
```py
def allowed(delta):
return delta in [-1, 1]
def total(seque...
I still have no idea if it's a correct solution
but two my solutions are equivalent, at least
turbid sandal
class Solution:
def fizzBuzz(self, n: int) -> List[str]:
list = []
for i in range(n):
if i == 0:
pass
elif i == 1:
list.append(str(i))
elif i % 3 == 0 and i % 5 == 0:
list.append("FizzBuzz")
elif i % 3 == 0:
list.append("Fizz")
elif i % 5 == 0:
list.append("Buzz")
else:
list.append(str(i))
print(list)
!code
wise cargoBOT
turbid sandal
class Solution:
def fizzBuzz(self, n: int) -> List[str]:
list = []
for i in range(n):
if i == 0:
pass
elif i == 1:
list.append(str(i))
elif i % 3 == 0 and i % 5 == 0:
list.append("FizzBuzz")
elif i % 3 == 0:
list.append("Fizz")
elif i % 5 == 0:
list.append("Buzz")
else:
list.append(str(i))
print(list)
use proper range bounds instead of checking for 0
range(1, n)
this if is totally unnecessary
because it's already covered by the default case
dawn stag
try range(1, n+1)
vocal basin
!e
from operator import add
from itertools import starmap, cycle, count
or_ = lambda x, y: x or y
fizzes = cycle(["", "", "Fizz"])
buzzes = cycle(["", "", "", "", "Buzz"])
numbers = map(str, count(1))
solution = starmap(or_, zip(starmap(add, zip(fizzes, buzzes)), numbers))
print(" ".join(next(solution) for _ in range(100)))
@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Buzz Fizz 22 23 Fizz Buzz 26 Fizz 28 29 FizzBuzz 31 32 Fizz 34 Buzz Fizz 37 38 Fizz Buzz 41 Fizz 43 44 FizzBuzz 46 47 Fizz 49 Buzz Fizz 52 53 Fizz Buzz 56 Fizz 58 59 FizzBuzz 61 62 Fizz 64 Buzz Fizz 67 68 Fizz Buzz 71 Fizz 73 74 FizzBuzz 76 77 Fizz 79 Buzz Fizz 82 83 Fizz Buzz 86 Fizz 88 89 FizzBuzz 91 92 Fizz 94 Buzz Fizz 97 98 Fizz Buzz
so, apart from import errors, it worked first try
vocal basin
polynomial fit of experimental data
(guessing)
slate light
def logo(): where_are_they=( 'building','pubblic_structure','space','home','city','natural locatrion','office') sx=random.choice(where_are_they) if sx=='city': city=['phone box' 'office', 'parking lot', 'public library', 'art gallery', 'zoo', 'bookstore', 'cafรฉ', 'truck', 'marina', 'port', 'town square', 'vineyard', 'cinema', 'market', 'strip club','dark streat', 'bank','gym', 'hotel', 'motel', 'bus', 'car', 'restaurant', 'fast food', 'swimming pool', 'main hall', 'stadium', 'pubblic toilet',] fc=random.choice(city)
a=['home','hotel']
if a=='home':
alien
english
coats
Snowboard coat
Republic
Telepathy
Kevlar
Internet-connected appliances
Gin
Hot
Jet pack
Ice Helm
Jasmine
Tonfa
classes
Punk
classes
community center
futuristic
dawn stag
yeah yeah
surreal cape
just chilling
surreal cape
you are using django as backend for the bots?
dawn stag
no, just for websites
surreal cape
so, theres an idea you can use
and django API
and bots that communicate withe API to store data
surreal cape
storing a lot of messages and let parallel jobs running to generate statistics like word clouds, word frequencies, sentiment analysis, data mining, etc
so the bots doesnt nees do do the heavy work in runtime and leave thu user waiting for a response while the bor processes a lot of data
surreal cape
but i think right now too hard for me
if you start now, tomorrow will be less difficult
surreal cape
but is only an idea of course ๐
surreal cape
so, imagine, the same django API that feeds the bots, may feeds a website
but I got your point, your planning a monolith, right? ๐
dawn stag
im sorry, dont really know what is monolith 
surreal cape
monolith is a all in one system
a webpage, a server, a database all together in the same project, running in the same environment
surreal cape
yes, if is a small prject is a good pick
otherwise, if one small part of the system fails, the entire system goes down ๐ฆ
vocal basin
use a message queue to connect web API and the bot
surreal cape
what kind of queue you intend to use?
vocal basin
use a message queue to connect web API and the bot
though that depends on the specific usecase
vocal basin
yes, if is a small prject is a good pick
imo, even for small systems, microservice architecture is easier to maintain
surreal cape
but doesnt makes more sense to build just right and Web API to comunicate with the Bots intead of it? ๐ค
vocal basin
how are you going to make an API request to the bot?
surreal cape
I have chatbots that works like that, communicating with backend APIs
vocal basin
hosting HTTP API in the same process as the bot isn't very good
surreal cape
but also, I have discord buts that does not communicate with any backend at all, just store data directly at a mysql host without need of API processing
I guess it will depends what your intention
vocal basin
use a message queue to connect web API and the bot
(that was more about how to make requests to the bot)
surreal cape
actually, if you are intended to use a bot for telegram or discord, you dont make requests to the bot "directy"
although you can
but the platform does it for you
you do not do this from the server side
vocal basin
example:
discord bot that has a website to access some of its data
it can be done without involving the bot, if you're only querying
it becomes difficult when the bot needs to do stuff in response to web requests
surreal cape
so, in this case, I suggest you do something like I said
the discord interface interact with the bot,
the bot send the data to the django API
the django store data on database
website can query data from API
bot can query data from API throu bot command
mobile app can query data from API too if you develop an app
all of it communicate with a single core
which manage, process and secure all the data
vocal basin
how do you get the request from the browser to the bot?
surreal cape
with an http request
vocal basin
with an http request
in what direction?
surreal cape
do you wat to see? I show you on dm since you cant speak on voice here
Ah sorry
Alisa can
vocal basin
bot can't "ask" for the request
polling periodically is inefficient
surreal cape
Ill ask you again, if you can see I share screen on dm with you because here I cant share screen
and its not polling
is on demmand
vocal basin
is on demmand
how does the bot know when to send the request?
queen lagoon
@surreal cape to ask for streaming permissions, go via ModMail. I only saw your DM because I was trying to send one myselfโฆotherwise it would have sat there for days!
vocal basin
request is made by the browser, not by a bot command
surreal cape
how does the bot know when to send the request?
when the user sends a message that trigger a necessary need to call a request to the backend
vocal basin
there is no message
request originates in the browser
which makes a request to the service which has a bot associated with it
this model works sometimes, but has drawbacks, mostly regarding reliability
surreal cape
<@269539802292944896> to ask for streaming permissions, go via ModMail. I only s...
Ty, I was not sure how these momail works so I was a little shy about use it, but a open a ticket, but Im still a little bit confused of how it works
it said that created a thread
surreal cape
request is made by the browser, **not by a bot command**
what kind of bot youre talking?
a discord bot?
surreal cape
so how the request is made by the browser?
and what difference does it makes?
its an http request to a backend anyway
if you need to query information, you query information, if you need to save information, you save information
vocal basin
minimal example:
website has two features
- login (via discord)
- if logged in, a button that if pressed sends "test" from the bot account to the user
surreal cape
and then is sent by the internet over the http/https protocol
as it is expected if is this were the method you programed the software to behave
if you used another method like opening a websocket it will work as well over ws/wss protocoll
vocal basin
so, okay, what is the full route that the request takes from the browser to the bot in this case?
does HTTP API service somehow call the bot?
surreal cape
if you programmed to subscribe.publish to a AMQP queuing system it will pubsub to a rabbit queue
surreal cape
does HTTP API service somehow call the bot?
NO, thats what i have said
the discord interface interact with the bot code which send the http request to the API
the API only return a response of a request made by the bot or website or mobile app, or desktop application or whatever application
vocal basin
if you programmed to subscribe.publish to a AMQP queuing system it will pubsub t...
and yes, you'll often have to involve a broker to get reliability
with dependencies like this
surreal cape
and yes, you'll often have to involve a broker to get reliability
as I said, IF you choose another paradigm, technic, methodology or whatever you want to call, or even a mixup of things you CAN use QUEUE
THEN bot will receive response but because the API CALL the bot but because the bt will be LISTENING our SUBSCRIBED to a QUEUE or TOPIC system
unless you implement an API server or grpc on the bot application
then you can eceute calls from anywhere to the bot application :hide_the_pain_harold:
vocal basin
what kind of queue you intend to use?
(that all was just a long way to answer "rabbitmq"/"beanstalkd")
surreal cape
(that all was just a long way to answer "rabbitmq"/"beanstalkd")
thats an answer I was expecting to hear/read
I like rabbitmq
actually I gotta move my ass someday and start to play with kafka sometime
vocal basin
interestingly, more reliable patterns even in the broken paradigm of how, for example, python async works, involve queues too
so, getting thinks to work correctly in async gets things easier to transfer over to multiple service architecture
dawn stag
so rabbitmq is broker right?
surreal cape
Yes, have ever used?
dawn stag
never)
vocal basin
everything like that belongs in docker
https://hub.docker.com/_/rabbitmq
surreal cape
yes, my instance is an docker image :hide_the_pain_harold:
vocal basin
depends on the specific message queue
vocal basin
it optimises querys?
decouples producers and consumers
vocal basin
everything like that belongs in docker
https://hub.docker.com/_/rabbitmq
I wonder how well it can be distributed given it's built on Mnesia (which can be multi-instance)
vocal basin
how message queue works?
in the most primitive form without extra guarantees, it's just a queue:
you can push to it
you can pull from it
what extra systems and protocols do, are those extra guarantees
for example:
- ensuring messages are stored until they are properly processed
- managing what "properly processed" even means
surreal cape
In rabbit is a little confuse, but with practice you get it.
Is something like each CONSUMER must have your OWN QUEUE
the queue mus have a BOUND to and EXCHANGE
the BOUND is created by a ROUTING_KEY
all the messages a publisher sends is published in an EXCHANGE over a ROUTIN_KEY
a QUEUE can have as many ROUTING_KEYS as you want
all queues binded to the exchange containing the routing_keys associated to the message sent receive the message
dawn stag
interesting
vocal basin
for example:
- ensuring messages are stored until they are properly processed
- ...
example of the second
https://greenstalk.readthedocs.io/en/stable/quickstart.html#job-lifecycle
surreal cape
I have a public queue
dawn stag
how can i do it?)
surreal cape
sure
let me see if I find a easy solution to pub/sub with python
lets mine google around libs python to use rabbit
i know two of them
kombu
and ...
what was the other ๐ค
pika
I suggest kombu
google for kombu python
to publish
ill test here if its workin
and dont forget
pip install kombu
exchange type รฉ topic
dawn stag
bruh
(403) ACCESS_REFUSED - Login was refused using authentication mechanism PLAIN. For details see the broker logfile.
surreal cape
easy, let me see here
got same error
let me check if theres a public user
seems like the public its not so public at all
:hide_the_pain:
much like the "public transport" here on Brazil :hide the pain:
surreal cape
dawn stag
nice
surreal cape
right we did it
now lets do the consumer
so we can view what each other are sending
dawn stag
oke
surreal cape
writhe down that producer to a script while I do a quick review for the consumer
so you can quickly run a script that gets an input from cmd and sends the input message in the producer payload, ok?
surreal cape
sort of
like
message = input('message: ')
# code of the producer
then where you have inputed that hello beelze you inser the value of the variable message inputed from message
then you run your script.py
input a message and voila
sends me a message
surreal cape
oh my youre fast, I was on the bathroom :hide the pain:
surreal cape
I guess nit test it send some messages it will nqueue here at the broker
surreal cape
hmm
dawn stag
because if i just write message its an error
surreal cape
actually the invert
use the input as value
oh no
sorry
correct
message is the variable used as value
dawn stag
so its fine?
surreal cape
but use a key, dont leave empty
dawn stag
okey
surreal cape
just fill with any "string" you want
bitter sentinel
toxic dune
So, Proxmox is used for?
gotcha
I do
ahh
make sense
remove everything lol
docker by default runs as a root user
don't I have permissions to unmute the mic in this voice chat?
gotcha
lemme see
RIP I need to send over 50 messages
can I spam this channel?
Oh I see
which channel again?
gotcha
there should be a bot
whole bear
how's it going yall
surreal cape
@gentle hedge did it worked?
gentle hedge
no
surreal cape
what happens?
gentle hedge
"Have over 50 messages in the server."
gentle hedge
yep
surreal cape
what your doing?
gentle hedge
I'm talking to you so I can use voice lol
gentle hedge
give me the copilot role bro
surreal cape
when you were copilt you have "azucrinated"
gentle hedge
you're lying
surreal cape
but about the app
gentle hedge
yep, but the interface is weird
surreal cape
do you want to still adjusting it or you rather fork and implement the graphql in the API?
gentle hedge
idk
gentle hedge
I still need to correct a lot of things in the way I create the chart
gentle hedge
follow your heart
my heart tells me to finish it by tomorrow, or I owe you a pix
surreal cape
so i guess is this wat you want to do
gentle hedge
:harold:
surreal cape
my heart tells me to finish it by tomorrow, or I owe you a pix
actually let me review my work
I have procrastinated the whole day
gentle hedge
me too
surreal cape
and also, made new friends here
gentle hedge
my gf wanted to watch movie
gentle hedge
I didn't do much today, I became a useless being on this beautiful saturday
surreal cape
gentle hedge
will code one for me
then code two, because mine might want to drop me
:harold
29 messages ;-;
surreal cape
if I achieve the capacity to be able to code a single one with scalability design, the I will surely replicate many and open a company to sell billions to nerds around the world
gentle hedge
let's do it
surreal cape
I will sell my BMW and start to drive a Ferrari
gentle hedge
I give you moral support and you do the rest
gentle hedge
since you are "so beautiful"
oh yeah, im a god
leaden vector
Hello, I am a beginner coder and I need help with a school assignment
gentle hedge
A male version of Afrodite
leaden vector
can anyone help me?
gentle hedge
can anyone help me?
what you need?
surreal cape
Hello, I am a beginner coder and I need help with a school assignment
what the problem friend?
leaden vector
what you need?
I am simply asking for guidence of what I would need to mark as x
I am very confused on what to mark as x since I do not understand the pattern
surreal cape
A male version of Afrodite
would be customisable just like cyberpunk
gentle hedge
would be customisable just like cyberpunk
me or the AI gf?
surreal cape
I am simply asking for guidence of what I would need to mark as x
but what was the last assignmet?
leaden vector
but what was the last assignmet?
A simple multiplication chart which doesnt seem to correlate
surreal cape
let me see if I understand
leaden vector
let me see if I understand
surreal cape
yu have to print all X?
or stop the loop when find the first X?
it is not very clear
surreal cape
HMMMMMMM
leaden vector
I have that done but I need to make it have the x's in the right spots
which is what is completely confusing me
surreal cape
you have to generate an output that looks like this matrix right?
gentle hedge
if
surreal cape
got it
leaden vector
you have to generate an output that looks like this matrix right?
Like the white multiplication table
I made the black one
surreal cape
the second row is doubles
leaden vector
ok
surreal cape
like is second row so starts on 2, and goes multiplying for the value of the colum index
so
the columns index are
1 2 3 4..
2 * 1 = 2 | 2 *2 = 4 | 2 * 3 = 6 | ...
and the same pattern for each row
now lets find when we have to fill with X
surreal cape
its working?
leaden vector
its working?
Yeah
surreal cape
oh well
leaden vector
I just need to find out how to fill in the spots with x's
leaden vector
its kinda working
leaden vector
It results in this out put but I need to make it turn into this
surreal cape
lets say that works when it solves it purspose, just to we dont get lost or misunderstooded
leaden vector
Ok!
surreal cape
lets see, start simple
if row_num => 3 and col_num >=3:
value = 'x'
right?
I simplified, the appending you will do
leaden vector
lets see, start simple
```py
if row_num => 3 and col_num >=3:
value = 'x'
...
I see
But what about the 81?
surreal cape
I suggest the iteration you execute with enumerate
for row_num, row in enumerate(matrix):
# do somethin with the row
for col_numm, col in enumerate(row):
# do something with the colum
YES, I was waiting you for asking that
this is an check taht you might use before the loop
leaden vector
ok
surreal cape
by doing this you saves cyclomatic complexity and time exceution
matrix[-1][-1] = 81
does it resolve?
leaden vector
by doing this you saves cyclomatic complexity and time exceution
I don't know what cyclomatic means ๐ญ ๐ญ ๐ญ
gentle hedge
for row in range(1, num_rows + 1):
for column in range(1, num_columns + 1):
if column >= 3 and row >= 3:
print("X", end="\t")
else:
result = row * column
print(result, end="\t")
print()```num_rows = ??
num_columns = ??```sorry, correcting myself, you do this AFTER the loop
leaden vector
I am an extreme newbie at coding ๐ญ
surreal cape
ok lets go for parts
surreal cape
the matrix size is 9x9 right?
leaden vector
the matrix size is 9x9 right?
Yeah
surreal cape
>>> rows = list(range(9))
>>> rows
[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
>>>
if I do that I make a row, right?
leaden vector
yeah
surreal cape
you need 9 of that
gentle hedge
here it is
surreal cape
Should I rewrite my code completely from scratch?
You can do better than that
leaden vector
You can do better than that
since it is currently outputting this
leaden vector
You can do better than that
idk if I can im so new to this ๐ญ
leaden vector
ok
gentle hedge
keep calm bro
gentle hedge
does the 81 need to appear at the end?
leaden vector
does the 81 need to appear at the end?
Yes.
gentle hedge
ok...
if row == num_rows and column == num_columns:
print("81")```num_rows = 9
num_columns = 9
for row in range(1, num_rows + 1):
for column in range(1, num_columns + 1):
if column >= 3 and row >= 3
if row == num_rows and column == num_columns:
print("81")
else:
print("X", end="\t")
else:
result = row * column
print(result, end="\t")
print()```try
leaden vector
ok
leaden vector
```python
num_rows = 9
num_columns = 9
for row in range(1, num_rows + 1):
f...
That worked! Thank you!!
gentle hedge
That worked! Thank you!!
leaden vector
<:joe_salute:857318799555559424>
So I used yours as inspiration while tweaking mine and I got this! The code may be a little messy but this is what the rubric was graded on.
surreal cape
I got a solution
surreal cape
>>> matrix = []
>>> columns = list(range(1, 10))
>>> for i in range(1, 10):
... row = []
... for colum in columns:
... if i>=3 and colum >= 3:
... row.append('x')
... continue
... row.append(i*colum)
... matrix.append(row)
>>>
>>> matrix[-1][-1] = 81
>>>
>>> for r in matrix: print(r)
...
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
[2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18]
[3, 6, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[4, 8, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[5, 10, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[6, 12, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[7, 14, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[8, 16, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[9, 18, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 81]
nice
surreal cape
3
spring glade
if i>=4 and colum >= 3
gentle hedge
if i>3 and colum >= 3:
surreal cape
>>> matrix = []
>>> columns = list(range(1, 10))
>>> for i in range(1, 10):
... row = []
... for colum in columns:
... if i>3 and colum >= 3:
... row.append('x')
... continue
... row.append(i*colum)
... matrix.append(row)
...
>>> matrix[-1][-1] = 81
>>> for r in matrix: print(r)
...
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
[2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18]
[3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27]
[4, 8, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[5, 10, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[6, 12, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[7, 14, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[8, 16, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x']
[9, 18, 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 'x', 81]
of curse there are those line to draw and beautify the output
show the row and col numbers
etc
but the algorithm itself it something like that
gentle hedge
now make a version where the output is a dictionary {} where each column is a key containing the multiplication table as a value, inside a list
lol
surreal cape
cant you talk yet ?
surreal cape
now make a version where the output is a dictionary {} where each column is a ke...
meh, I could but not interested
gentle hedge
so weak
surreal cape
more interested in playing with that tablature data anal ysis
surreal cape
well Im here since 2020 and still cant screenshare ๐
twin pond
.
twin pond
well Im here since 2020 and still cant screenshare ๐
Lmao
somber heath
@limpid crypt ๐
limpid crypt
somber heath
I'm talking to a bird.
So if I talk like I'm talking to a baby, I'm not talking to you. ๐
somber heath
@shrewd delta ๐
shrewd delta
its not letting me talk
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
turbid sandal
!voice
shrewd delta
yeah its not going to let me talk until i have been in the server for at least 3 days
@somber heath
turbid sandal
!voice
somber heath
!voice
shrewd delta
im trying to figure out how to get my discord bot online
turbid sandal
!code
wise cargoBOT
turbid sandal
import tkinter as tk
import time as t
import threading
root = tk.Tk()
label1 = tk.Label(text="0")
label1.pack()
first_value = 0
def sdd():
first_value = first_value + 1
label1.configure(text=str(first_value))
t.sleep(1)
root.mainloop()
@somber heath
somber heath
import tkinter as tk
class App:
def __init__(self):
self.root = tk.Tk()
self.callback()
def callback(self):
print('Hello, world.')
self.root.after(1000, self.callback)
def run(self):
self.root.mainloop()
App().run()```@whole bear ๐
whole bear
@somber heath broooo how do i print first 10 prime numbers
need help
in my interview
yes
bro quik
i only have 5 minutes
๐ญ
no nothing
no skills
i just want the job
red peak
for i in range(1,11):
print(i)
def is_prime(n):
for i in range(2, n/2 + 1):
if n % i == 0:
return False
return True
bro i just wrote print("2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29")
hopefully i pass
while everyone is searching outside the box, ya know what i open and look inside the bo
x
๐ฟ
whole bear
why so emptiness in the vc
somber heath
@surreal grotto ๐
surreal grotto
bro i cant speak i don't have voice perms for some reason
vocal basin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
whole bear
bro i cant speak i don't have voice perms for some reason
yt sigma edit mfs be like - "silence speaks more"
surreal grotto
facts
whole bear
๐ฟ
vocal basin
@red peak
unit tests or integration tests?
red peak
<@301819578600783884>
unit tests or integration tests?
Both
whole bear
snakes in toilet or not
red peak
Depending on the changes
vocal basin
<@301819578600783884>
unit tests or integration tests?
context sounded like writing it for other contributors' code
(that's why the question)
red peak
context sounded like writing it for other contributors' code
Nah, We do it for our own code. I work for a small company
vocal basin
context sounded like writing it for other contributors' code
other contributors as in not you
whole bear
@surreal grotto do you know liqhtbee?
vocal basin
unit tests and code itself are supposed to be written by the same person
most of the times
@surreal grotto writing unit tests for other people's code is an incorrect workflow, often
so hate for that is somewhat reasonable
if there's a person who's good at unit testing, they should be reviewing tests other people wrote, not writing it for them
red peak
What about TDD? I've never worked in a TDD structure. Does everyone write their own tests even in TDDs?
vocal basin
what do you mean by TDD?
I know but there are different definitions
one is the correct one:
red-green-refactor loop with minimal iteration steps
just writing tests before code isn't enough for TDD
vocal basin
one is the correct one:
red-green-refactor loop with minimal iteration steps
for certain reasons, not all development environments are fit for it
- not all tests are unit tests
TDD works only with unit tests
another reason:
you might not know what the function/method/etc. is expected to do
make components as simple as possible
so that the most rigorous and detailed documentation wouldn't be a mess
there are also different types of documentation
not documentation (comments)
in-code documentation
external documentation (books and stuff)
comments reduce readability
if the code is too complicated, there should be a separate paper/document to explain what it does
with comment linking to it as an excuse for it being unreadable
beep boop uwu
whole bear
oh nawww ๐
vocal basin
2 + 2 @ "Alisa Feistel"
^ can't apply matrix multiplication between an `int` and a `str`
bro has 22k messages ๐
vocal basin
!d operator.matmul
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
that one operator that was added only because numpy needed it
gentle flint
whole bear
is that cheese?
vocal basin
!e
0 @ "str"
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | 0 @ "str"
004 | ~~^~~~~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for @: 'int' and 'str'
Beaver cheese, maybe.
whole bear
could be
somber heath
Beaver parmesan.
whole bear
i don't know much about cheese
surreal grotto
!e
```py
0 @ "str"
```
You're not a bot right?
red peak
!e
import numpy as np
x1 = np.array([2j, 3j])
x2 = np.array([2j, 3j])
print(x1 @ x2)
@red peak :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
(-13+0j)
I was checking what error it outputs
surreal grotto
Ok. Because I think Elvis was tricking me into thinking you're a bot
which to be fair is kind of hard to discern nowadays anyway
whole bear
I was checking what error it outputs
i 'll choose a number between 1 to 10, i chose 7 guess what i number i picked.
vocal basin
is "chose" and "picked" the same thing
somber heath
Broadly, but while you might choose a flower, the act of bisecting the stem is the picking.
whole bear
<:pithink:652247559909277706> is "chose" and "picked" the same thing
E
mutton's texture is kinda weird
yeah
i think goat's meat is also called mutton?
O_o
who's setup is this clean and systematic ๐คฏ the plant tho ๐
vocal basin
not clean for long given food placement
whole bear
not clean for long given food placement
guess my rat's name
surreal grotto
Freddy
whole bear
it starts with r and has 11 characters
vocal basin
not clean for long given food placement
like, why is it like that
that's so much not safe
whole bear
like, why is it like that
that's so much not safe
fr
i don't want snake on my bum while excreting
๐ญ
the dogs in india bro ๐
what
@red peak where you live bro
waxen loom
has anyone been bitten by a spider?
whole bear
i want my picture good tho
gentle flint
waxen loom
pretty
gentle flint
รle de Brรฉhat
whole bear
yo this is wild
waxen loom
wtf
waxen loom
where is that?
somber heath
Fairy Bridge, China.
whole bear
oh naww
waxen loom
lovely place
somber heath
did i do a bad?
No, I'm just being a dunce.
frail jetty
what courses do you recommend? <@672061596721479691>
for what?
waxen loom
do you need uni tho you can defo learn everything online
waxen loom
for what?
just general competence, employability and jumping off points for further learning
that doesnt sound sustainable tbh
how long have you been doing this? @frail jetty
shell moat
Weirs circumstances: being Russian.
And this fking government want to sent me to the fucking fields.
waxen loom
huh
craggy whale
hi guys! how can i get the right to participate in the discussion?
waxen loom
Total mastery, probably unrealistic, becoming highly competent in specific niches, very doable in relatively short time
You can defo learn multiple languages at once haha @turbid sandal
craggy whale
as previous developer i think, it would be easier to specify the field that you wanna be active in, cz python is so broad
waxen loom
lol
bronze quiver
Iโll be back I. A lil
wind raptor
@young vessel over here
turbid sandal
!code
wise cargoBOT
turbid sandal
!e
class test():
def __str__(self):
print("test")
print(test)
@turbid sandal :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
<class '__main__.test'>
!e
class MyVector:
def __init__(self, x, y):
self.x = x
self.y = y
def __str__(self):
return f"({self.x}, {self.y})"
def __repr__(self):
return f"MyVector({self.x}, {self.y})"
def __eq__(self, other):
return self.x == other.x and self.y == other.y
def __len__(self):
return 2
v1 = MyVector(2, 3)
v2 = MyVector(2, 3)
print(v1)
print(repr(v1))
print(v1 == v2)
print(len(v1))
@wind raptor :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | (2, 3)
002 | MyVector(2, 3)
003 | True
004 | 2
if __name__ == '__main__':
show_popup()
vocal basin
!e
len(0)
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 | len(0)
004 | TypeError: object of type 'int' has no len()
(checking error message)
rugged tundra
vocal basin
!e
```py
class MyVector:
def __init__(self, x, y):
self.x = x
...
is there actually a meaning to __len__ when there is no __iter__/__getitem__?
(I wonder if there are valid usecases for that)
also I think this would be more correct
f"MyVector({self.x!r}, {self.y!r})"
# ^^ ^^
!e
class MyVector:
def __init__(self, x, y):
self.x = x
self.y = y
def __str__(self):
return f"({self.x}, {self.y})"
def __repr__(self):
return f"MyVector({self.x}, {self.y})"
def __eq__(self, other):
return self.x == other.x and self.y == other.y
def __len__(self):
return 2
MyVector(0, 0) == 1
@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "/home/main.py", line 18, in <module>
003 | MyVector(0, 0) == 1
004 | File "/home/main.py", line 13, in __eq__
005 | return self.x == other.x and self.y == other.y
006 | ^^^^^^^
007 | AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'x'
lol it was just an example to show what dunder methods are and how they interact with built-in stuff
Not meant to be practical
vocal basin
lol it was just an example to show what dunder methods are and how they interact...
I know
vocal basin
!e
```py
class MyVector:
def __init__(self, x, y):
self.x = x
...
I still haven't settled on how I prefer to write __eq__, so now thinking
most of the time I do
if isinstance(other, MyVector):
return ...
else:
return NotImplemented
but that's neither looking good nor allowing duck-typed comparison
wind raptor
yeah, that makes sense to check that the type matches
vocal basin
most of the time I do
```py
if isinstance(other, MyVector):
return ...
else:...
I think ternary there is even uglier
though
vocal basin
though
depends on what you want to emphasise
return natural_and_obvious_comparison if that_comparison_is_possible else NotImplemented
if that_comparison_is_possible:
return natural_and_obvious_comparison
else:
return NotImplemented
different order of reading
wind raptor
or
match isinstance(other, MyVector):
case True:
return ...
case False:
raise Error("You done bad!")
haha
vocal basin
match other:
case MyVector(x=x, y=y):
return self.x == x and self.y == y
case _:
return NotImplemented
eh
register size depends on the operation
you specify it
somber heath
@velvet palm ๐
somber heath
@boreal shoal ๐
glad wing
hey
vocal basin
word is two bytes apparently
unlike how it's often used in C where it's 4
glad wing
can someone help me with making a Cookie Clicker for my school project?
making it with Flask
somber heath
@hearty gorge ๐
glad wing
java script, html and css.
vocal basin
@rugged tundra Oculus and stuff to eyes are like some distant object
in terms of how eyes focus on the object
lenses and stuff
but there is a different problem still
which is:
everything is at the same distance away anyway
rugged tundra
vocal basin
which is:
everything is at the same distance away anyway
like
you're moving your eyes depending on the depth
but you're not changing their focus distance
I think this impacts why sitting in darkness is bad too
vocal basin
```py
match other:
case MyVector(x=x, y=y):
return self.x == x and s...
return self.x == getattr(other, 'x', nan) and self.y == getattr(other, 'y', nan)
without type checking it becomes weird
this catches more than necessary
try:
return self.x == other.x and self.y == other.y
except AttributeError:
return NotImplemented
this is too long
try:
x, y = other.x, other.y
except AttributeError:
return NotImplemented
else:
return self.x == x, self.y == y
as for hasattr: just no
Oxide are developing their own Firmware
for stuff they can
Oxide Computer
I think Steve Klabnik works for them
vocal basin
Oxide are developing their own Firmware
and they believe in accessible open-source hardware being reality at some point
vocal basin
most of the time I do
```py
if isinstance(other, MyVector):
return ...
else:...
is there a way to automate this using decorators?
though most similar methods can just have type annotations
vocal basin
is there a way to automate this using decorators?
that'd have to be a decorator on the class, not on the method
another hard topic about special methods:
signature of __exit__
Pylance somehow understands __exit__'s return type
but I haven't found so far how to express it in code
vocal basin
Pylance somehow understands `__exit__`'s return type
there are two options
None | Literal[False]:
it never suppresses the error
None | bool:
sometimes it does
yes
if you use ExitStack with Pylance looking at your code, it will scream at you for using variables you defined inside with after it exited
because ExitStack can exit with True
I prefer wrapping everything in with
instead of adding hooks
when you might need hooks, is when you can't reach the with
panic/abort
#voice-chat-text-0 message
TaskGroups as a very useful example of context manager
I later did add the user list functionality
I still think async with is one of the main things keeping me from moving away from Python
I probably didn't
PySide seems to be fine with async/await
https://doc.qt.io/qtforpython-6/examples/example_async_minimal.html
ah, yes, they have their own async
I remember doing that
I used PySide for four months in school
vocal basin
I later did add the user list functionality
yes
it seems to also properly handle when clients crash
but not the server yet
when the server crashes, it only detects that and says "please type /exit"
aiohttp is probably built on top of asyncio's channels
remember
vocal basin
@quasi quiver
software engineering principles apply both to front-end and back-end
front-end has quite a lot beyond just HTML/CSS
HTML/CSS are weird
but anyway it's that kind of tools when you just can make it work
even when you build back-end, you can make monitoring tools and other stuff
eh
C++ is expressive too
"instantiating a class is very easy in C++
here are top 71 ways to do it: ..."
vocal basin
"instantiating a class is very easy in C++
here are top 71 ways to do it: ..."
I still haven't checked my previous attempt at listing ones I know
new MyClass();
MyClass myinstance = new();
MyClass myinstance();
make_unique<MyClass>();
Rust's OOP is like Haskell's OOP + dynamic dispatch
vocal basin
```c++
auto myClass = new Myclass();
```
that's the first option from those four
I just didn't bother writing variable name
vocal basin
You have to assign the class to something don't you?
idk
vocal basin
Rust's OOP is like Haskell's OOP + dynamic dispatch
(in Haskell you don't need dynamic dispatch)
vocal basin
I still haven't checked my previous attempt at listing ones I know
```c++
new My...
I guess also if the function has return type specified you can just return new();?
no idea, tbh
wind raptor
@random root here
vocal basin
void is weird
zero-sized types too sometimes
I think MSVC has some issues when you introduce zero-length arrays
to whoever asked:
VS Code has a more powerful language server
warm atlas
hello
bronze quiver
to whoever asked:
VS Code has a more powerful language server
whats a language server
warm atlas
so in python multiple inheritance
quasi quiver
print("hello");